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September 9 2003

Why do Thais tell lies?

Why do Thais tell lies?

Petchburi Road massage parlour

When massage magnate Chuwit Kamolvisit made his unprecidented disclosures about police corruption and paid sex in high places, he shocked many ordinary Thais and broke an unwritten code of conduct.

Polite Thai society advocates wholesome family life, religious observance and refined etiquette. However, it also turns a blind eye to lovers, hookers, corruption and gambling. It is the element of deniability that reconciles these opposing values. The CIA applied the same logic to its conduct in the Iran-Contra affair. As they discovered, the strategy only works when scrutiny is lax and everyone keeps their mouth shut.

The gigantic massage parlours that dominate Bangkok's skyline are ostensibly just somewhere to relax and get cleaned up. Tired plutocrats in need of relief don't have to skulk in. The chauffeur drops them off in broad daylight and parks the limo out front. This "I just dance, I not go with customer" mentality draws a veil over a multitude of everyday sins.

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Lifting the veil is unwise. Thais regard these deceptions as face-saving white lies no more serious than "your bum doesn't look big in that, darling" and will feel aggrieved if you challenge them. Confronting your Thai girlfriend with printouts of the emails she sends to her other lovers will not produce the hoped-for display of remorse. She will be outraged at your effrontery. How should you deal with this striking cultural difference?

If your girlfriend used to be a hooker then she is already addicted to fucking other men for pleasure and profit and will never change. She assumed that you knew this and would ignore her infidelities so long as she was discreet. She lied to save your feelings and your face. You must either put up with it, or find a respectable girl. It's your call.

Ignoring unpleasant truths is the foundation stone of Thailand's have-it-all culture. Where else can you run a shady business, keep a stable of mistresses, go home to a loving family and hold your head up in the temple? Mr Chuwit's most serious crime was to open cracks in that foundation. It remains to be seen what his punishment will be.

His Pandora's Box of revelations has had a profound effect. In the past, when parents drove their kids to school, they could easily deflect innocent enquiries about the garish pleasure palaces on Petchburi Road. Questions like "Mummy mummy, what's half and half, plus reverse oral with an anal finish?" are harder to brush off.

[Posted to Thai Secrets by David]

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Readers' comments

Dana says:

Thais lie for the same reason that dogs lick their balls. Because they can!

Dexlowe says:

Dogs lick their balls to make themselves clean. There is no delusion in a dog's world. They also don't lie.

Chuwit tore down Soi 10. Walk by there today, and his posters for his Bangkok governor bid are all over the place. That's rubbing salt into the wound. But I suppose he knows where to go to get his balls cleaned. I won't make any further comment about delusions and lies.

Don't forget to add krieng jai into this equation, David.

Cog says:

"Thais lie for the same reason that dogs lick their balls. Because they can!"
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So, what would be analogous to a balless, coprophagic sonuvabitch that enjoys regurgitating its own digested sanctimonious dogshit? I'll give you time to reply as you attempt to search for the vanishing remnants of your integrity from the cumstains of your paid trysts. No doubt, Slick Willie, who lost his own load in the Oval Orifice, would be more than willing to assist you.

There's a smell of hypocrisy whenever a falang starts hinting that dishonesty is intrinsically a Thai attribute -- as if one culture can monopolize a human trait. It is also poignant to remember that the phrase, "plausible deniability" has partial origins from the Watergate-era of American politics. Here's a veiled revelation for you -- the practice of 'insulating the truth' exists in every culture, in one form or another. Perhaps falangs would have less of an issue if Thais utilized more sophistication in their prepackaging of deception; it's so much easier to turn a blind eye to the egregious structuring of offshore tax shelters as a way of exploiting IRS regulatory loopholes by wealthy Americans. Then again, maybe the falang gripe actually has to do with a perceived lack of personal accountability by Thais. Oh yeah...we all know how Western societies are the bastions of selfresponsibility...bwahahaha! Tda-lok!

Since I'm Thai, I prefer to maintain a perfect smile as I lick my balls and shaft someone. Now...bend over biatch, so we can finally let dem sleepin' dogs lie!

The Vampire LOGOS says:

I agree with the author of this article, as Thai culture is a bit more schizophrenic than what the typical westerner is used to, but I'll add that Thai's "lie" for the same reason religionists lie when reasonable questions are posed about said religious beliefs, a house divided CAN and DOES stand as long as denial is strong and fully employed. Both are a matter of preferred convenience and serves a cathartic and social purpose. Spirit houses (where the hungry ghost of Granddad who died 10 years ago can go for a quick snack) standing next to Buddha shrines (where Buddhism teaches that the dead are reincarnated at least every 49 days) is a metaphor for the propensity of denied contradictions in the land of smiles.

Bangcocker says:

I first seen the sign you have posted about 4 years ago on my first trip to Thailand. I was quite surprised as that girl is a rockstar from the US. I thought the same thing, why would they post a lie. Just goes to show that the term "sex sells" is absolutely true.

rich says:

because they are all programmed to bullshit their way out of ANY situation which requires them to admit thet are wrong about something..........and i'm the same
but whiter

Koi says:

I don't know why do you think that? but there are both good and bad people in the world. not whole of Thai people always lies. I don't beleive that your country don't have lier.
Anyways, there are many sex sell around the world not only Thailand. and not all of Thai women will be prostitute!!

There are 2 sides of the coin. if you see only one side, what you see is what you get!!!!

kwai mai sabai says:

The Thai people don't hold the record for prevarication. The current United States administration has them beat by a country mile.

Koh Jon says:

Interesting stuff...I think that one of the main causes of misunderstandings between Thais and Farangs is the differing ideas about honesty. Most Farangs value openess and honesty very highly and expect friendly people to be honest, even if it means admitting their own mistakes. Thais on the other hand are far more interested in saving face and avoiding embarassment, regardless of how obvious and absurd the lies need to become to achieve this.

I'm not suggesting that "dishonesty is intrinsically a Thai attribute" only that Thais and Farangs have very different ideas about what consitutes dishonesty and also place different levels of importance on the possible consequences of lies.
When a Farang percieves that he has been lied to by a Thai he can react with confusion and/or hostility, whereas the Thai doesn't think he has done anything unusual or wrong and is just acting naturally, probably to avoid some minor embarassment such as lack of knowledge about something. It can be very frustrating!!!

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