Steven Seagal duped by Indian tailor

Farangutan says:

I bought a suit on my first trip to Bangkok in 92. Got it home, tried it on, looked in the mirror and realised (to paraphrase The Duke of Edinburgh) the suit "looked like it had been made by Indians"

Threw it straight in the St Vincent De Paul bin, never wore it once. That Duke, never missed a trick, calls 'em like he sees 'em. A truer word was never spoke.

After two subsequent trips to India (Land Of Shit) I have vowed that no indian will get another cent of my money for as long as I live. I know that sounds rascist, but I've been ripped off just thirty times or so too many by them.

I'd sooner take my chances with a six-pack of freelancing ladyboys in my hotel room than buy a suit (or anything) from an indian ever again.

Peter says:

I get all my business clothes tailored in Bangkok. Good quality clothes are available but you have to be willing to pay a reasonable price. My tailor charges US$250 for a suit. If you go to a tailor who offers a suit plus three shirts etc for ninety nine dollars, then you really have only yourself to blame.

sniffer says:

there's a name for people who have hideous clothes made to measure by Thai-Indian tailors and then proudly wear them to the general incredulity of all; Americans

Whippet says:

So clarify for me, Farangutan, I'm a little confused: you love the Indian people and are looking to retire in their beautiful country, no?

;-)

Farangutan says:

Whippet, I'll move to India the day Sheffield win the top-flight Premiership...deal?

Insight says:

I also hold unconditional love for our Indian counterparts. I love the way every CV I pick up from an Indian guy is always contains complete bullshit from start to finish. It'd be incredibly boring (and short) if it just told the simple truth...

Mango Chutney says:

Looks like some white "trailer trash" have lost their money (possibly previous job too!) to their colonial subjects.

It's not a good feeling when brownies start overtaking the pale faces, especially if the brownies could potentially nuke your ass out of this universe.

As for buying suits in Thailand from Indian tailors - you deserve what you get if you think you can recover your holiday airfare by getting a wardrobe change here for the next season. There's even a term for those kind of bargain hunters - "tailor trash".

Jonny Nav says:

I had some shirts made a few months ago in bangkokand havent had any second thoughts. I was pleased with my purchase. But then again I wasnt about to let one of those indians from pattaya make me 3 suits for $50. Thats just asking to get some bullshit ugly suit that will fall apart.

S- says:

ever seen those presentation books they use? you know.. the arm/vers/hug stuff ...

notice the "recommendations" at the end of those silly books, while i was reading a few of those pages of text, i even saw some in my own language saying; 'this guy will f*cking screw you', 'he payed me 20 baht for this' , 'god that guy is ugly' ... he pointed at the little book and said "happy people!"

... one day i just might ask to buy one of those little cartoon-books, 20 bht will do... would be nice decoration in the bathroom

tie included?

gna gna

richard says:

No guys really you can get some quality shmutter if you are cunning.

I always make it plain that I must have the suite by a certain day as I am going home. I am lying of course. In due course the Tailor will ( after some irrate calls from you ) deliver the suite and shirts etc at your hotel a few hours before you leave for falang land. You however being a smart boy have lied about your departure date. You can then try on the suites and locate all the creases and bits where it does not hang properly and take it back to be fixed and finished properly. You may have to repeat the lie about your return date but on each return visit your suite will improve until it is actually rather wearable.

Richard

g says:

Sniffer, you're a moron

Basil Brush says:

The first suit I had made in Bangkok was in 1982. I have had some very good and some very bad clothes made here over the years. The golden rule is never use a tailor who needs a tout outside to say how good he is. Also making sure they know you are in no hurry and have time for as many fittings as necessary helps. I have been using the same tailor on Sukhumvit for the last 8 years. The quality is good and the price is reasonable. All his business is gained by word of mouth.

The tailors' touts on Pattaya seafront are no longer the most irritating in Thailand. They have been replaced by the 'excuse me sir, one minute sir, survey sir, where do you come from sir' pains in the arse on Sukhumvit. Yesterday I had 6 such encounters between Soi 23 and Soi 3. They don't understand 'fuck off' either.

Basil Brush says:

If you look in the tourist magazines given way in various hotels you will find the tailors on Sukhumvit Soi 11 have all won tailor of the year awards at some time or another.Who gives these awards ? Sukhumvit High-Class Indian Tailors Association ?

mr peter says:

I love those spreads in sawadee inflight mag featuring some indian 'tailor' being presented with the tailor of the years award which does not exist. They get their pics taken at some function or other, maybe doctor the images a bit then the can present themselves as the gold medalists of fabric. It's well known most of them are not tailors but just place the work onto some sweatshop to be run up. My nomination for the most annoying is the one on soi 15 on the left as you walk to the manhattan. There is a bag shop there as well, I have threatened to push them both through the window but it's water of a ducks back, I now cross the road to avoid the buggers. The tailors next to the landmark is said to be the best but I never go in these joints, all that suit you sir stuff is not for me and it's all too much messing about. In the end you get what you pay for and good quality is not much more at home or off the peg

Mr Clean says:

"The tailors next to the Landmark" sounds like Rajawongsee.

Very good tailor and does not need a tout outside. You have to fight your way in there some days past all those bloody Embassy types poncing round in their smart clobber.

If you are willing to be persuaded by a tout on Pattaya sea front that you need a suit when you are there for gritty beach action you deserve each other. Screw and be screwed.

Disco Stu says:

Fashion Avenue (shite name, i know) on Sukhumvit below a little hotel (Parkway Inn) owned by the same people is not bad at all. Had some shirts made and some trendy skirts copied for an Asian friend. Good work. Not Sam's in HKG but not bad at all. Good prices.

Also, I've heard Ambassador (there are a like a dozen that call themselves this), the real upscale one, is good. A guy i know in BKK had some fine tailoring done. Not cheap but 1/4 of what you'd pay for bespoke at home, 1/2 what you'd pay in HKG.

Insight says:

Mango Chutney - Wrong, very wrong.

I hire the guys and manage their work myself. Therefore, the guys I hire are not in a position to threaten my job. Kind of obvious if you think about it...

And in my experience, every single Indian I've hired all have the same traits. This isn't a sweeping generalisation, just *experience*.

Disco Stu says:

Ok, but another thing: do we really think it would be so hard to "dupe" Steven Segal? I believe dupe is his middle name.

Mango Chutney says:

Insight,

So in a way, you refuse to accecpt responsibility as a boss for your subordinates performance.

By the way, just like a suit, with employees too - you get what you pay for.

If you pay peanuts, you'll get monkeys.

Maybe, you find smarter employees a threat to your own existence.

Farangutan says:

I thought his midde name was "acts-bad-runs-like-a-pansy"

The Duke of Edinburgh says:

Farangutan - I take it you're one of those guys who requests refunds from your long-term bar fine, blaming the girl for making you come quickly.

Insight says:

Mango Chutney - Wrong again. You just love to pick fights, dont ya?

Thai guys are cheaper to hire, and again, in my experience, more honest and capable. I accept responsibility for my staff by removing them if consistantly not performing, just like you would do in any management situation.

And smarter employees a risk to my own existance? What utter bollocks. Smarter employees make my life easier, so, of course, I'm going to be looking out for them...

Mango Chutney says:

Insight - OK OK youre the greatest. Its now time to change to Farangutan and respond to the Duke.

tonychang says:

I lived opposite a row of tailor shops for six months and would often spend my days observing their buisnesses when there was nothing better to look at.
What with the local rents,wages bills(o.k. minimal for Burmese immigrants et al) etc. I unsuprisingly came to the conclusion that theres no fucking way these dudes could make a profit!
This then begs the question...how do they really make their money??

Snazzy Dresser says:

This then begs the question...how do they really make their money??

Posted by tonychang | August 20, 2004 06:14 PM

That really is THE question. Does anyone have any idea how many of these tailors there are within say 100 yards of Suk between Soi 3 and 33? Why not ask Dave to take a couple of weeks off and count them then we can use this as a TRIVIA QUESTION. My guess is 3768.

Mr White says:

I had two suits and a shirt made for 17000 baht by a place called Chinese Tailor on Petchaburi road between Urupong and Phyathai roads. Excellent quality suits and I've never had a shirt that sits/looks so good on me. I was fitted by a pleasant Swiss gentlemen by the name of Willy. The Hyatt Erawan recommended it and they came and picked me up. The Nepalese immigrant who drove the van to pick me up said that he receives 7000 baht a month. He also said that he had a baby son in Nepal who was 6 months old that he hadn't seen yet. I felt a little guitly being driven around with my two suits that cost me more than twice his monthly salary.
I assume that this guy was tout, but judging by the quality of the clothes, I can't imagine why they would need one, unless he was just a driver.

JAY DEE says:

I had excellent wedding suit, very good ratio quality/price at "World Collections", Phayathai in BKK, 1999. Cost was 5 times higher in Europe. 5 years now, it's still same a new one. It is possible to find high quality / reasonable prices here, I think. Search and you'll find. Best are not Indians, but Chinese tailors working with family.
JAY DEE

R@gtopmuse says:

I picked up a great quality blue pin stripe suit from one of the Sukkumvit tailors for 4,000 baht.

Of course the pin stripes ran horizontally, but hey, a bargain's a bargain.

KDub says:

Mr Peter-

I agree about the soi 15 touts. At first I got angry with them, now I just have fun with them. I just smile and say things like, "hello, good day, kiss my ass"

KDub says:

I think that shirt is more painfull to look at than that ugly baby.

toby says:

in puhuket i had some indian lady pull the 'handsome man' routine on me, she was a tailor, and i responded by asking her how much she was for the night.
i don't think her husband liked that too much. but hey it's wasn't my fault i was confused.

AFR says:

I can see why there are so many tailors around Sukhumvit, but I was always intrigued by Indians tailors in Pattaya, often wondering if they really get any business.

Picture this: its 10pm on a Friday night, i've just arrived from BKK, checked in my luggage at the hotel and am now hotfooting it to walking street. Upon being asked if I would like a suit made by a vendor on the way, I stop, think and say "hey, why not, I originally came down to Pattaya for some fun with some 19 year old called Noi, but you know what, now that you mention it, I could do with a couple of new suits".......

BTW, Toby, I might try your line next time....

TANAI KWAI says:

"Can you remember where you saw this eye-catching Mondrian-inspired leather jacket?"

I think I remember the mannequin, anyway, from the first shop on Sukhumvit when you cross the street using the first crosswalk from the Nana side. I don't remember the name but they gutted and remodeled the place a couple of years ago. Still looks awful, of course.

On my first trip to Phuket I purchased a couple of relatively cheap suits made of some kind of beautiful material. I brought in an Armani and asked them to duplicate the cut, which they were able to do. In my previous job, I wore a business suit every day, and it was more like battle gear or a uniform than a fashion statement. The suits served their purpose but as my father points out (and he knows the rag trade as he used to manufacture clothes for many major suit makers) the jackets of these garments are more in the way of shirts than suit coats. They lack most of the interior layers that quality suits feature.

The Nepalese gentlemen who waited on me spoke refined English and confided that most of the shops in Phuket were owned by the same couple of people.

When I saw the conditions in which the tailors worked it looked like a classic sweatshop environment. Very sad.

(...)

Tout_Hatr says:

By far, the worst scene for touts has to be Phuket..

Same story... 95 degrees out, humid as hell 10pm at night you are seeking some er entertainment for the night... guy asks me "Sir!!, can I ask you a question?" I had finally had enough of their bullshit during the day thrusting their hand out and saying "My Friend!!" . after avoiding their hand you keep walking.

This time, I was really pissed, spun around and asked him rather loudly "Were you going to ask me if I needed a fucking suit?!! He said "I am just trying to make a living." .... I responded "At 10pm at night, gimme a break."

These guys really know how to fuck up a perfectly good walk down the street.

Dana says:

The first tailor shop I walked into was Ambassador/Smart Fashion--soi 11 (branch) and soi 19 (temple). It was recommended by Lonely Planet. I have never had reason to shop around. Fair prices, professional, always on time, never a tailor problem. I go every six months and I have clothes made for my boss also. I have had a tailor on Boylston St. in Boston for years so I am comfortable with tailoring. I do something that I have never seen anyone else do. I NEVER have clothes measured. In fact, it is a deal breaker. If the tailor insists on measuring I walk. What I do is I have my Boston tailor work on a pair of pants or shirt, etc. until it fits perfectly. Then I take it to Bangkok and tell them to copy it. Never one problem.

On another subject. Probably the highest foot traffic per square foot tailor shop in Thailand is Rajah's opposite the Nana hotel on soi 4. The guy who runs the place (Rajah?) is an Indian about 6'7" tall. He is unbelievably rude and arrogant and pretentious. Do not ever go there.
Very high prices. He has so much foot traffic his attitude is pay or get the fuck out.

rawang says:

"Jackies" tailors near the miami hotel on sukumvit made me some good shirts and slacks, price was a little high [ maybe 18$ a shirt] they were very well made though, and still holding up after many washes.I think the touts just see a never ending stream of farang, and don't care if they bother you after all another one will be right along. You might feel better being rude to them but this is t/lan and you just end up looking like a cunt, same with tuktuk drivers. just ignoring them completely seems to work best for me-dont even respond- and look right through them, getting propositioned constantly is a part of going to any poor country [if you don't ask you don't get]How do all these Indians get to stay in the country anyway? ps I saw a guy who was rude to a tuktuk driver get jacked up, he wasn't thinking about anything but getting away after the third or fourth hit, smiling thai people just watched haha me too

jdman says:

You guys really don't know how to have fun with tailors in LOS. The bottom line is you know the stuff is shit so why not mak the most of it? For peanuts, I like pretending I'm Austin Powers or James Bond for the day. Buy the piece of velvet trash you would never wear in Farangland and go cruising. Worth the price every single time! The girls love to rub their twats on those 'fine' goods. :) . I'm telling you beats any lap dance I have had in Farangland. Once encouraged these girls have fetish fantasies too that come out too easy if they are cuming on your threads. After the suit is 'suitably' soiled, I rumple it up and tell the girls "You can have." Always get my "My brother want! Khop kun ka"
God knows what they sell it for on the street after dry cleaning. Maybe they cycle it right back to the tout who sold it to me??

JDMAN

Steven Segal says:

Those suits are teh Bomb Baybay!!!

That leather jacket?

I'd fuck it!

-Team_Infidel

willy says:

Dana wrote "On another subject. Probably the highest foot traffic per square foot tailor shop in Thailand is Rajah's opposite the Nana hotel on soi 4. The guy who runs the place (Rajah?) is an Indian about 6'7" tall. He is unbelievably rude and arrogant and pretentious. Do not ever go there.
Very high prices. He has so much foot traffic his attitude is pay or get the fuck out."

I gotta respond to this - cos Raja is the shorter guy - the taller guy is Bobby - rude and arrogant????, maybe he just didnt like your additude... I've been looked after these guys for years (and many of my friends), if u want qaulity u juz gotta pay for it, simple as that. I've always foudn his prices to be more than fair for the qaulity you get.

Dana says:

Yeah, I quess he didn't like my attitude. How perceptive of you. You see I don't like rude arrogant pretentious people. That's my attitude. I could throw a rock at a white trash convention and hit something better than this guy. I would never patronize this jerk and I encourage everyone else to stay away.

David says:

"Can you remember where you saw this eye-catching Mondrian-inspired leather jacket?"

The mannequin stands outside the Versace-themed tailors shop at the mouth of Sukhumvit Soi 7 (Beergarden Soi).

Well spotted, Tanai Kwai.

BLACKCUNT says:

I only tried once, just after the railway line between phayathai and indra hotel,I guess it was so hot outside that i took a dive with the tout inside, i had two linen shirt and two pants made.
well they were confused with the collar that i prefered and ended up making them stand 5 inched clear of my jawline and the pants ? nearly ruined my balls on their debuts.
why bother with these folks , when i can always get quality clothes at sale' prices at the world trade center on rajadamri road and try my luck with the many damsels there at the same time. hahaha.
Made 'in india or by indians' well, naaaaaaaaahhhh

Greg says:

David,

You have an eye for contrasts.

Uber ugly.

Beauty as a principle isn't discussed much nowadays. A while ago we were supposed to see beyond it. Just like a while ago, according to Hollywood, few believed in God, but many believed in the Devil. Like black coated goths believe in nihilism. A confusion similar to "more immortal".

The road accident pics on the site outnumber the beauties. An accident of interest? A critique of attention? A cultural comment?

Remember Pirsigs book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? He talked about Quality in similar ways as some Greek dead folks talked about beauty. Of course nowadays discussions about beauty have several new contexts, including knowledge gained and limited by the the scientificic paradigm. In the big picture we can say that basically we are still stupid. In other words, beauty might still be interesting.

I mean, it might not be reducable. Nihilism is all about reducing meaning to meaninglessness. But you can't reduce a molecule to atoms. There is the extra information of relationships between atoms that can't be deduced from knowledge of atoms alone. You can't deduce phsycology from biology. Their is a hierarchy of being. Nihilism is a conflation of hierarchies. Road accidents are ugly not merely in contrast to our biological imperative, but also because math is beautiful. Some initial principles followed us all the way up here, and we resonate. Nihilism always nihilates itself. You can't know nihilism without knowledge, which is of course not nihilist.

In other words, more pics of beauty please.

Greg says:

I resonate with Bach and the precise mathematical Golden Mean.

Why?

Greg says:

"Belief" in nihilism in not nihilism. Nor is understanding of nihilism. Nihilism therefore has no realistic root.

Ugly is real only in contrast to beauty, which has mathematical underpinnings. Math is embodied in the world, but there is no philosophy or science that accounts for this.

Meaninglessness is meaningless without meaning.

David says:

Ok, Greg. You've made your point. Another Asian babe feature is long overdue.

Prorogue says:

"You may have to repeat the lie about your return date but on each return visit your suite will improve until it is actually rather wearable".

I may be talking of something I know little. Call me old fashioned as I prefer to wear something quite wearable from the outset.

liveonedge says:

DAVID please let me no were i can buy this jacket i and i will put it on EBAY AND WILL MAKE A MILLON BHAT on this fine peace of work it is art we will add light's to it and then i can retire and spend all my money on the thai girl's

Boney says:

Um...Greg, old boy, be careful with those difficult words. That's p-s-y-c-h-o-l-o-g-y; reducible is spelt with an ìiî, not an ìaî; and ìnihilateî is not a word at all. The verb is annihilate.

If this keeps up I may have to report you to the Bored of Full Ossify.

Khun Ron says:

Fuck you Sniffer. I imagine your idea of "Sunday's Best" is a THB 200 Manchester United jersey from the Mutes on Sukhumvit.

Greg says:

"That's p-s-y-c-h-o-l-o-g-y; reducible is spelt with an ìiî, not an ìaî; and ìnihilateî is not a word at all. The verb is annihilate."

I wonder if you confuse spell checking with dialogue.

I haven't seen you discuss issues yet. I'm not sure if you know the difference between critique of spelling and language usage, and dialogue about ideas that spelling and language allow for.

From what you have shown, you are very interested in spelling, but not interested in ideas.

And you are very interested in using any means to de-pedestal those that seem to self-pedestalate.

Language has a function. I respect using it reasonably, however you have shown no cognition of the beauty of rational constructions. I infer from the few posts you've given to the name Boney (I'm sure you have many other posts here) that you are pretty well not yet capable of seeing the beauty of thought.

Self-pedastalizationing says:

Copyright Greg

Greg says:

I've decided to change my name for a while.

You can recognize all my various flaws under the new moniker of:

The religious handling of bananas

The religious hadling of bananas says:

Boney,

http://www.philosophytalk.org/WhoseLanguageIsIt.htm

Dana says:

I don't know why almost all tailors in Bangkok (and Pattaya, Chiang Mai and Phuket) catering to foreigners happens to be indians. Therefore, I am pleased to recommend a chinese tailor. Have a look at this page:

www.paultailors.com

TANIA KWAI says:

Dana - Are you the one who thanked him for those green and white trousers? You never told us you had a husband working with KLM!

Dana says:

TK--That wasn't my post.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana,

Nor was that mine. Isn't this fun?

(...)

Dana says:

Oops! I was drunk last night, so I have forgotten that it actually WAS my post. Sorry for the misinformation!

Greg says:

Registration works for thaivisa.com .

Dana, if you can remember a user namd and password you can still participate. A friend can sign you up.

Greg says:

Dana - How about asking your friend Paul the Tailor to sign up for you?

Greg says:

"Dana - How about asking your friend Paul the Tailor to sign up for you?"

That was not written by me.

Dana says:

No, I'm not interested in thaivisa.com
It's strange this is mentioned at all in this thread.
This was about tailors.

Dana says:

Not posted by me--this chat site is losing meaning. A fun thing ruined by idiots.

Greg says:

This is not a chat site you idiot.

Dana says:

Heheh. Hilarious!

(The real Dana)

TANIA KWAI says:

No you're not.

The real Dana can't spell "hilarious".

Greg says:

"This is not a chat site you idiot."

Not posted by Greg, needless to say.

Boney says:

Greg - thanks for the philosophy talk link. I didn't hear anything there that I would disagree with. Nobody owns the English language; it is fluid and dynamic, ever changing. If one communicates his point clearly, grammatical variations or ìmistakesî make little difference, for example as with ìYou and Iî vs ìYou and me.î I don't give a toss if people want to blatantly split infinitives, and a preposition is a perfectly acceptable word to end a sentence with.

My point is that when writing in a serious or scholarly vein, as it seems you typically do, certain standards must be adhered to in order to maintain the writer's credibility.

To illustrate the point from a slightly different perspective, consider advertising. Have you seen the the ads on the BTS for plastic surgery at Bang Mod Hospital? They now say ìAttain beauty with confidence.î When the original ads went up, they read ìTo be beauty must be confident.î Huh? Apparently, someone pointed out to them that nobody would want to undergo surgery there if they take as little care with a scalpel as they do with their advertising copy. You'd be likely to wake up looking like a Picasso, with your nose on your cheek and ears on your forehead.

Similarly, any argument one makes is less likely to be taken seriously if accepted standards of usage are not maintained. A typo here and there is not a big deal; we all make them, but still it is preferable to catch them before a final draft goes out. More serious is the misuse of words, for they make certain distinctions that are vital in communicating one's message clearly and unambiguously, as well as credibly.

Honestly, don't you cringe when you read a line like ìI can't ëexcept' your argumentî? If I describe myself as an ìex-patriotî you might believe that I've turned against my country, when in fact I'm just a dumb-ass who lives abroad. If I write that someone lives in an ìeffluentî neighbourhood, do they live near the sewage treatment plant or are they well to do? How many times have you heard people use incredulous when they mean incredible, or penultimate because they think it's even more ultimate than ultimate?

If we do indeed want to appreciate the beauty of thought, we need also appreciate the beauty of the words that express those thoughts. We lose much in terms of subtle nuance when language becomes too coarse to make fine distinctions. And when someone enjoys puns and wordplay as much as I do, all the fun is lost and people don't get the joke if those distinctions are lost.

Finally, I am in fact new to Mangosauce and have only posted under the name Boney. Admittedly, I am a bit of a ìde-pedestalationist' and perhaps was a little hasty in going after you. It was simply that the first two posts from you that I saw (in the Needham review) seemed somewhat pompous, and I always feel tempted to let some of the air out of what I see as dangerously over-inflated egos. Upon further browsing, it appears that you are in fact quite a thoughtful and fair-minded fellow, so to the extent that I transgressed on your self expression, I offer my apologies.

Boner says:

(Yawn)

Would "stuff-it" be a more acceptable expression to use on you Boney, rather than that handier and much-more-off-the-tongue gem "fuck-off"?

Needless to say, my most heartfelt apologies are offered here in advance for having transgressed on your self expression.

Boner

Boney says:

Ouch!

Your succinct and dazzlingly erudite riposte cuts me to the quick!

Boner says:

So, begone then!

jdman says:

One last lick David. I love the animated cat doing the pumping 5. It is too real man.

I have seen Thai eateries in the US with this feline proudly pumping behind the bar. Asking a bartender what it means elicits the same response. "Money come here!" OK, so I would guess our TGF's would love cats as pets. Wrong! Dogs. Lots of dogs. Dana said they were pack animals, but please! Correct me if I'm wrong, but have you ever known a Thai girl who likes cats. I haven't. So, strange disconnect. Can someone please explain? Of cat=money and TBG or TGF = I love money, then why not cat = TGF or TBG L-O-V-E!???

indian says:

You whites are such sanctimonious bastards.Just because you got ripped off by some indian tailor.The day is not far off when you Will get nuked by the brownies!

wilbur says:

May I ask, exactly what the hell was the provocation for THIS?! Just curious...

Raja says:

I use Raja tailors on soi 4. very bespoke

Dave says:

A four hour suit lasts... about four hours.

Tailor in Bangkok says:

I am an Indian tailor in Bangkok and find this blog very amusing. There is some racist shit here and it is funny how the losers blame all Indian tailors for being suckered by a con man. It is your own responsibility to sift through the bad ones to get to the good ones which there are many out there. A word of advise, DO NOT go to shops which advertise "fake" package deals. The job of the ad is just to get you into the shop and screw you. If it is too good to be true; its too good to be true!! You are a sucker if you fall for it. Moreover, you are right - there is no Tailor of the Year Award so if you fall for that one, you must be in Kindergarten!! Morever, if you go into shop that employs touts and commission eaters, then you are paying the 30% they take!! If you have noticed, most all shops recommended in this blog don't advertise and don't have touts!!
Like in every business, research before you buy and I can promise you tailoring in Thailand will be a great and inexpensive experience!!!

Hugh Jarse says:

Aren't we all supposed to know that Steven Seagal dosen't need a tailor because he wears curtains instead of clothes?

Andy says:

Looking at how lard-arsed Steven Seagal looks these days, his next set of clothes might be supplied by a circus tent manufacturer.
Could be a great business move to open a chain of outfitters that caters to the "fuller male figure."
"Man At Mr Fat Bastards" might be a good brand name.

James Spader says:

Touts are oustide the shop, because there is no recommendation from their shop. The only way that they can get business in their shop is to harass you in. The very first rule is to never shop or bother with any tailor shop with touts. And tailor of the year awarded is awarded to the number of fools that have graced their shop.
As fas as intelligence goes, how would you pay peanuts and expect saville row quality suits. Always ask for quality to know what you are paying for.
Lastly, most shoppers want to pay the lowest price of all. And try to work on the deals. the crappiest of the crap will be part of the deal. If you expect a shirt, give yourself some self respect to pay for a proper shirt. Demand the quality and enter shop where the fabric quality is set aside.
Good tailor shop exists in Pattaya, but as long as we have stupid shoppers to buy bargain and complain in royalty, these poor quality tailors will exist.
As for the tailor shop that I do business, their main source of customers is repeat customers and word of mouth reccomendation. Experience and care delivers the rest.

toni says:

I would be interested to find out more about the differences between quality tailored suits and the Thai stuff. I hve had some good suits made for me but the longevity is always poor - does anyone know how many layers a proper suit jacket has?
On a different subject please don't become like Thai Visa what a self-satisfied, smug bunch of wankers, took me all of 15 minutes to get banned for having the timerity to criticise one of the "super-moderators".

Steven Seagull says:

Please no more jokes about me being fat and running like a girl, etc.
The next person to insult me will be put in an excrutiating thumb-lock hold when I come back to Bangkok to get a new wardrobe.
The Indian tailors are very nice and can speak English very well and they always give me a special deal because I am famous and they don't charge me more for the extra material required.

mike says:

I think these places only stay in business by getting one idiot customer a month and really screwing him. I never see anybody go into these places, thats the only conclusion i can draw.

Also, why would you want to buy a suit when your on vacation, waste a day, maybe two day, getting re-fitted, calling to see if its ready, taking a chance that it will fall apart in a week. Is it worth it? I would rather pay full price back home and know what I am getting rather than taking time and thought out of my vacation to support this obnoxious industry of Indian tailors interrupting you every street you walk down.

Buying a suit in Thailand is like giving money to a begger back home, your just keeping them in the business of annoying people.

Konstantine says:

A friend of mine just got back from Thailand, he said that the beach resorts have been taken over by Indian Tailors, he claims that they pester you endlessly day after day, they lay in wait and begin to hassle you near the beaches. Nothing gets them to stop they are relentless and cannot be bargained with or bought off. They ruin the entire beach experience- he has been back for a few weeks and keeps talking about encounters and run-ins with the Indian tailors. Apparently the all the taxis stop at Indian tailors, and anytime you need to travel from point a to b you are taken to Indian tailors who hassle you to buy a suit. Additionally there are apparently many of them, according to my friend there is a disproportionate number of Indian tailors on the beaches- far, far outnumbering other more practical services like ice creams stands. He says it is bizzare, annoying and harassing and casts a long shadow over any vacation in Thailand, even when they are not after you- in the back of your mind you know you must face a gauntlet of them. At some point he said they even opened the dialogue with" Why you not want suit?" He has been to Brazil and says he would rather face the risk of crime or violence than the Indian tailors of Thailand. I think I'll stick to non-Indian regions if I choose to relax. He did say the Thai people are extremely nice which just made the Indian Tailor presence much worse by way of contrast.

Telemachus says:

I hate Steven Segal!

Amel says:

Farangutan You sond like a F***ing Racist, And I am sure you went to a Tailor shop which gave you 3 suits for 99 Cents. Btw calling a country "Land of shit" makes you an extreme racist. LOL