September 18 2003

Is your Thai sweetheart really a ladyboy?

Is your Thai sweetheart really a ladyboy truck driver with a huge cock?

Many years ago, when I was young and innocent, I met a Swedish backpacker recently back from Thailand. Over a couple of drinks, he explained to me the curious phenomenon of Thai ladyboys. Known as katoeys, these highly decorated gender-benders can be seen practically everywhere. I asked my new Swedish chum what on earth you would do if you pulled one and didn't realise your mistake until rather late in the game. "Anything you like" he said with a grin.

For those who don't want to get more than they bargained for, I've cobbled together a biological check-list below. Mistakes happen more frequently than people let on. Would you brag about it?

This photo of the Miss Lady Lady International contest appeared recently in the Bangkok Post. The one in the middle is obviously a fella, but what about the other two? The one on the left looks like a real babe, but a babe is the one thing she is not. In fact, all three have that little bit extra - namely a big fat veiny knob or, at best, one that has been inverted by surgery.

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Recently, a mate of mine woke up in a strange bed alongside a creature whose smeared make-up couldn't hide a day's growth. Looking down, he noticed that his own body was covered in cuts and bruises. Though unable to bring the events of the previous night into sharp focus, he knew that he had to get the hell out of there. Fortunately, no sexual contact had taken place. They were at her place rather than his, so he was able to sneak out and leave the whole sorry mess behind. That's his story anyway.

You can easily be lulled into a false sense of security. Many katoeys are giants and they wear heels too. I used to wonder why only Thailand's tallest men wore dresses, but now I realise that my basic premise was wrong. You only see the tall ones because they are so easy to spot. It's the little fellas you have to watch out for, but how do you spot them?

Big hands are a good place to start, but you're never going to see anyone sporting a bunch of bananas. Thai fellas are a delicate lot. The trick is to compare the length of the fourth and second fingers. Your typical bloke has a ring finger conspicuously longer than his index finger. Women's should be roughly equal in length.

A similar relationship exists between shoulders and hips. Men's shoulders are typically broader than their hips. Women's shoulders and hips should be roughly the same width. When walking, a wider pelvis causes women sway more than men. This wiggle is particularly noticeable when they climb stairs. If you see your date making an unusually direct ascent to your apartment, the opportunity to flee may already have passed.

Men may be the hairy sex, but many Thai guys seem to have missed out on nature's bounty. Nevertheless, a quick scan of your date's forearms, hands and knuckles may be helpful - particularly if signs of removal are present. This could be done by engaging her in the popular bar game of slaps. If you don't spot any physical evidence, she may still give herself away by bringing you down with a powerful right hook.

The bump in a man's throat (his Adam's apple) is the give-away that most people know about. Katoeys know too. That's why they pay a surgeon to remove it.

Don't expect a tell-tale bulge either. There is one big reason why Thailand produces only female pornstars - or, to put it more accurately, a rather small reason. A strip of Sellotape is all our chap needs to look good in bikini bottoms. He'd better not go in the sea though.

Some katoeys have voices so deep they could stand in for Barry White. With others it's hard to tell. I did once date a Thai girl who had a rather deep voice. She was definitely female, but I did have a moment of doubt when she said "Awright geezer, you got the Gunners score?" in perfect mimicry of the late Arthur Mullard.

Without resorting to gynacology, no single test is 100% conclusive. However, if your date fails three or more of them, you may need to plan an exit strategy. Sometimes your own actions can put you at greater risk. Beer is the katoey's best friend. Even if you don't want to shake them off, applying the tests might allow you to modify your plans for the evening.

So what kind of man would knowingly shag a tranny? They are reportedly amongst the wealthiest sex-workers in Thailand, so someone must be doing it. I had assumed it was closet gays but, when I asked, the explanation turned out to be more complicated. Many straight but jaded career sex-pats become tired of sweet shy girls who hide behind towels and only let you get it in half-way. Out of sheer frustration, they choose to explore the ways of the katoey. Apparently, they are good in the sack because they know better how to please a man.

So there you have it.

Teasing your mates about ladyboys is fine, but it would be unwise to rant. Your boss could be packing some man-fudge right now. Come to think of it, the slapper my neighbour chucked out this morning definitely had footballer's legs.

[Posted to Sex by David]

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Readers' comments

Prorogue says:

Re: Your comment

"I used to wonder why only Thailand's tallest men wore dresses, but now I realise that my basic premise was wrong. You only see the tall ones because they are so easy to spot. It's the little fellas you have to watch out for, but how do you spot them?"

I too hypothesised, why Thai transsexuals were so tall. Believing I had stumbled across an undocumented chromosomal abnormality worthy of an entry in The Lancet, and that all those years getting hosed around NEP PP SC were really anthropological pursuits. I eventually discovered that, hormone therapy particularly when taken during early teens to late teens, has a side effect of additional growth.

March 8, 2004 11:51 AM

LBlover says:

David, do you know that it is a proven fact that the more derogatory the remarks are that a person makes concerning alternate sexual preferences, or the more a person is afraid of an altercation with a person other than what he has been brought up to believe he should be with, the more subconsciously that person is actually in conflict with himself and his own behavior more than that of others. If a person were to spend all of their time disecting a potential partner such as you suggest, where does the eroticism ever come into play? How could you ever get horny if you are constantly wondering about your partner? Just go with the flow, & as a good friend of mine always say's.......It's all good!

March 10, 2004 10:11 AM

Prorogue says:

Re: Though unable to bring the events of the previous night into sharp focus, he knew that he had to get the fuck out of there.

READ: COMPLETELY HOSED AND NO MEMORY

Fortunately, no sexual contact had taken place.

IT'S OK, WE'RE YOUR FRIENDS WE HERE TO STAND BY YOU. EVEN IF YOU ARE A FUDGE PACKER.

LBLOVER: So by your rationale if I have a derogatory view of people that engage in sex with Animals. I actually want to have Red Rum nibble my cock?

March 11, 2004 12:50 PM

martin says:

afraid i got caught out. their friend beer helped me out. in 6 visits three times. first time 1 min bg in pub toilet. secound time broke condom agoniing next year, third time never knew till near the end.
yours faithully slightly homophobic

April 7, 2004 4:50 AM

Thai Man says:

Get a life, David. Your articles suck like an e-sarn girl.... the sort of girl you like. A very typical taste for a stupid farang like you.

April 19, 2004 2:39 PM

Kevin says:

Dear Thai Man,

WHY are you so angry because Farang have to take care of the Issarn Girls that Thai Men only
STEAL MONEY from?

Oh yeah, you CRITICIZE Farang VERY RUDELY,
but you CANNOT take the criticism yourself.

No wonder you have a country run by Thaksin
the RACEST.

80% of Thais will be POOR forever because they worry MORE ABOUT A GIRL HAVING WHITE SKIN
than thinking of ways to help their country.

That's what happens when you have A THAI EDUCATION.

Sad for Thailand

Kevin

April 19, 2004 5:14 PM

T.J. says:

well said kevin, im real worried just checked my ring finger is smaller than my index finger, does this mean Im a tart?

April 27, 2004 5:06 PM

Talula says:

The size of Thai men is much speculated on, well I got fucked by a Thai with a 9 1/2 inch fat cock and can refer you to at leat 10 other specimen of that kind.

May 12, 2004 12:30 PM

bounce says:

Ohmigod Talula!
You must be the one they had to carry away on a stretcher from the gorilla cages at Dusit Zoo last Sunday! Go easy on the ya ba please.

May 12, 2004 12:45 PM

STFU says:

Talula: There are better places than this for you to discuss what some katoey put inside your blown-out bung-chute. Also, any experienced Thai girl will tell you that while farang dicks might be bigger, Thai cocks get harder and stay that way longer.

May 12, 2004 3:05 PM

Talula says:

Sorry but as a woman I have also a right to a sex life,I dont know what katuys have to do with that,
and yes they stay hard and wake you up to give you some more

May 13, 2004 3:18 PM

Bil says:

Yea..and I bet that's completely true for all thai men..right..not at all generalising, oh no..

June 3, 2004 4:00 AM

JR says:

Hmm i must have some barbarian blood in me , i am kinda hairy but i dont have BACK HAIR UGH!!! Ron Jeremy's the lot of you :P

As for katoeys something that is not very present is the gay katoey, that is... the ones who are attracted to women. They are more present in Brazil. Perhaps they are not as accepted within Thai katoey circles, ... a discrimination versus gays in a sub group of deviants :P

We could and I think SHOULD allow more people who beleive they are a different sex earlier hormonal treatment,.... right before puberty starts. That way less masculine features develope if ever and breasts and voice will be female for nearly 100% of them.

June 4, 2004 8:45 AM

JR says:

o yea, shut up bout the penis joke, thats japanese and china-men yer thinking about :) I pity you if you dont beleive me and get a big lady boy and end up with stitches.

June 4, 2004 8:47 AM

JR says:

To Kevin, .... Would you be pissed if wealthy Asian Male tourists invaded your country and started buying farang women, and then the criminal elements kidnap farang girls to sell to the Asian Male tourists? This is a rhetorical question... you could even substitute a black african or arab man into the mix. OUR girls get hit by ALL OF THEM. I think what you are seeing is that tolerance for it has diminished and things are about to change.

June 4, 2004 8:57 AM

antihero says:

JR,
To answer your question. No of course we wouldn't be pissed. Have you ever been to Las Vegas? No? Go to one of the nicer casinos like Mandalay and you won't wait much time to see a foreign "whale" (extreme high roller) with a blonde on each arm. And no, they're not simply nice girls seeking to experience multiculturalism firsthand. It P4P in Vegas just like in BKK. Plenty of other places in the states too.
And you know what? We don't begrudge you the pleasure. If a rich thai can afford to come over here and shag farang lasses all the more power to him. You see the difference is in America for the most part we don't subscribe to the type of mythological blood and soil racial destiny claptrap that pervades thai culture. Over here we don't need a boob like Taksin to tell Americans to "rak" Americans.

If you come over here and fuck an American broad I don't view it as an affront to my honor or that of my country. I just view the girl as a sleazy whore and drop it at that.

June 4, 2004 12:39 PM

turn-on says:

ANTIHERO:

What would you say if a fat, bald, elderly Thai man came to your country and ass fckd a really poor, uneducated girl (the same age as this Thai's grand daughter) and if the girl had no means to support herself and her family, other than by selling herself?

What would you say if this same Thai man then filmed the episode and posted it on the internet?

How would you feel if this Thai man performed his deeds without using a condom (by promising an additional reward to the unfortunate girl, or by bullying her to accept his terms)?

Finally, how would you feel if this same Thai did a "facial" on the girl to humiliate and degrade her even further?

I certainly wouldn't allocate a badge of honor to such a Thai, or such a person of ANY nationality.

June 17, 2004 4:29 PM

Combover says:

Oh dear - the stereotype of the whore-as-victim again.

This comes up so often here, and there certainly is some truth in it.

But it is definitely not the whole picture.

A cursory read through this site and many others will reveal many a story of poor, uneducated, pussy whipped Western men of all ages being "ass fckd" to within an inch of their sanity and life savings by these so-called vicitms.

The fact is many women choose The Life because the lifestyle trappings associated (money, clothes, travel, drugs, camaraderie with an exciting young peer group) outweigh the downsides of the job. They even enjoy shagging some of their customers, though not as many as we would like to believe. Many certainly find it hard not to be fucked for money when they get too old, get married or try to stop.

June 17, 2004 4:48 PM

TURN-ON says:

I'm not saying that every sex worker is a victim,

In Asia / Thailand, very many are.

It wouuld be a lot better if, as in some European countries , prostitution would be legalized in Thailand. There would be a reduction in the police/
bar /brothel owners skimming the girls.

As in some European countries, there should be a law that nobody but the sexworker herself can profit from her activities.

What I really object to is cruelty / humiliation of these unfortunate girls. this includes items such as facials, anal sex. and endangering the life (and livlihood) of a a girl by forcing / coercing her to have sex without condoms.

Regarding a girl living off a farangs stupidity / sponsorship, I blame only the farang. Does such an individual ever have the sense to consider why he becomes so amazingly attractive to Thai ladies as soon as he lands in LOS? Does it ever cross his mind that he is also fat , bald, geriatric , smells like a pig, is drunk twenty hours a day and that he has found himself to be utterly unattractive to ladies in his home country ? If he is brainless enough to begin believing that he is god's gift to women , the moment that he steps foot in Thailand - then he not only deserves, but SHOULD be duped.

June 24, 2004 2:44 PM

Greg says:

Turn on: Look, YOU may not like facials and anal sex, but I know girls who do. Not bargirls. Not everyone finds sex degrading, and not everyone finds non-missionary sex degrading. I find opinionated jealous moralizing degrading.

June 24, 2004 3:50 PM

Combover says:

Opinionated and moralising - yes. Jealous - I don't think so. She sounds more disgusted than anything.

But I suspect that may be to do with her own lazy thinking.

It's not just about poor little uneducated young girls with evil fat old deutschers (with combovers). It's easy to think this is the whole (or even the majority picture).

My own eyes tell me not so.

Perhaps a little thought wouldn't go amiss as to why some girls choose to do a job that is at times unpleasant and distasteful. Maybe because it's still easier than sewing clothes or working in a shrimp factory, and it's definitely several times more lucrative. Millions of women in Thailand make a living without resorting to prostitution because they care a little little less about money, clothes and drugs.

For the vast majority of girls in this trade that farangs come across (and I separate this group from the trafficked, abused & enslaved girls who frequently are working in establishments frequented by Turn-On's beloved Asians) it has been a choice based on lifestyle & reward.

What's more, most of them are perfectly capable of choosing customers who are not old, fat, alcoholic & balding. That they may choose to do so may be reflected in the greater reward or the fact an old man may be kinder and less able to keep them occupied all night.

Those you see with the handsome young boys probably are enjoying getting paid for a damn good shagging.

June 24, 2004 4:16 PM

Greg says:

Yup. Even women who are receiving money can enjoy sex.

June 24, 2004 6:02 PM

Greg says:

About the jealousy comment, lately that has been my lense. Jealousy sure seems a huge motivational force - an unstoppable power. Not just a green demon but a green engine, a motivating force comparable to the sex drive.

Muslims. Orthodox anybody. Anyone who preaches about how this or that is bad usually is preaching to themself, externalizing their own guilty wants. Right? Jung had a lot to say about that.

So if some preacher is telling me that facials and anal sex are evil, yes, sure I believe that their subjective interpretation of their mind agrees completely with their statements. But that doesn't make their interpretation true. It's fucked up. Internalizing a parent, scolding oneself in the absence of the parent, and scolding others. But never questioning the parent. A mentality of internalizing rules without inquiry. It is normal, and it is pathological in comparison to what many of us prefer to take for granted. Rational open minded discource and exploration open to refutation based on mutual experiences.

June 24, 2004 6:20 PM

TURN-ON says:

Take a breather !.

Me JEALOUS of you lot ? that sure requres some imagination , plus a massive doze of wishful thinking.

Also, I don't love Asians, just happen to see a fewer number of fat, bald, smelly, drunken Asians
groping and pawing young girls (compared to the number the of Australians, Brits, Europeans, and our friends from the land of the free) that one sees engaged in such activities.

Regarding your opinion that some girls like facials, could be true, but there are psycopaths in every society, few and far between. I certainly would not like anybody to piss, or come, in the vicinity of my face.

I'd also like to clarify that I am a man , not a woman, however, i strongly believe that every human being , including bar girls and prostitutes, are to be treated with respect. This is not moralizing, only a differentiation between an animal and an homo sapien.

June 24, 2004 7:06 PM

Combover says:

Agreed on the respect issue - no problem with that.

But I was attempting to make the point that you have made sweeping generalisations about Thai prostitutes and their customers.

If you feel repulsed by seeing young girls with their much older customers - and obviously there are plenty around- please understand that it's quite likely to be a choice on the part of the girl. Your assertions as to their options do not stand up - they've probably made the decision based upon reward and ease of customer satisfaction.

Plus, it's all a question of degree. There are plenty of reasonable looking 35-40 year old men looking at 55-60 year old guys and shaking their heads thinking "I'm glad I'm not like that". Well, the 21-25 year old guys are shaking their heads and thinking "I'm not paying for sex" and trying to get it for free.

The reality is that a beautiful young Thai prostitute would probably be more attracted to a hulking 21 year old surfer, but if he's not stumping up the cash what is really better for the girl?

June 24, 2004 7:47 PM

Combover says:

And on the subject of Asian sex tourists, it's my observation that there are also huge numbers of Koreans and Japanese who visit Thailand specifically for sex. They visit specific places and areas in Bangkok.

Not to mention the Malaysians and Singaporeans who visit Hat Yai et al, and the huge Thai domestic sex industry.

These customers appear to my eyes to be of similar age spread to their western counterparts (though perhaps not as fat and balding), but seem to put a far greater emphasis upon extreme youth in the girls they consort with.

This - and the reputed Asian propensity to shy away from condoms - would be of more concern to me than any of your comments.

June 24, 2004 8:03 PM

umiko says:

hi boy am umiko ladyboy from thai
I dont know many man who very love ladyboy
they want sex moe then relationship,,,,,,
you know they not all bad of course have some
bad and good and if you are want to have very good friend from ladyboy this is one of im portant
you have to make sure your self to check out what you are...

June 25, 2004 3:22 PM

Rod says:

Yep, give me a ladyboy every time.

No bullshit, straight down to it, loves it, very gentle and active at the same time. You have to love a beauty with a cock, so much more versatile and so much better on the eye than a young lad.

They are also the most beautiful and graceful ladies who spend a lot of time getting their stuff together. Most BGs are skanks by comparison. Love how far they will go.

Keep it up umiko you will find love one day.

June 28, 2004 6:39 PM

Roy says:

Dave:

Where did you get the term 'truck driver' to refer to ladyboys from? I thought only myself and a couple of mates used that term. It seems like a bit of a conincidence. Unless of course you are one of my mates, secretly writing for this website.

July 1, 2004 2:37 AM

ZEBRA says:

So what if you go out with a ladyboy by mistake or if you made a mistake in not figuring out that they were a genetic girl. All you have to do is apologize about your insecurities you mad a mistake and say that your not interested. and move on to someone that you do like. People that talk bad about others talking about genitalia size. Looks Truck driver etc. they have some deep rooted insecurity of their own. Stop the hate. And treat people with respect including ladyboys. You can't just use peoples women and then talk bad about em to. At least show them some respect.

July 5, 2004 2:53 PM

Rod says:

Well said Zebra, respect to ladyboys. The three in the photo are all young and sexy and have probably never seen the inside of a 8 wheel truck.

Does your average BG spend years perfecting her look? Of course not.

Does your average BG look after herself as well as the average LB? Of course not.

The average LB may be pursuing the unobtainable of settling down with someone special and raising a family (well some do indeed want to) but you should respect that. Of course.

Don't just blather on about how unnatural it is and how sick etc. to love LBs. There is nothing finer than making friends with a nicely turned out well adjusted LB. They make great lovers and loyal friends.

July 5, 2004 3:22 PM

wanker yet again says:

TurnOn --- sorry .. I agree with much of what you say.

But sadly your thoughts about women working in farang off-bars are way off base.

They walk out of there with a patron. If they were the victims you play them out to be they would not walk back in. The truth to under-age or forced prostitution issue is that it is a local problem not open to the farang that come to the LOS.

Your comment "Regarding a girl living off a farangs stupidity / sponsorship, I blame only the farang. Does such an individual ever have the sense to consider why he becomes so amazingly attractive to Thai ladies as soon as he lands in LOS? Does it ever cross his mind that he is also fat , bald, geriatric , smells like a pig, is drunk twenty hours a day and that he has found himself to be utterly unattractive to ladies in his home country ? " --- you don't get to have it both ways. You must say that they(the women soaking the farang) are of the same class as the men that use women.

The fact is prostitution exists everywhere. The girls that allow more get paid more -- like everywhere. The fact that people take pictures and such? Too bad.

Don't be a wanker ... Harp on a subject that matters. Like "I hate that there are prostitutes in Thailand, why does my government not stop it" (of course we know the answer $$$)

July 28, 2004 2:12 PM

hosatt says:

hi
i,m looking for a thai girl friend to stay with me

on 1th agu 004

July 28, 2004 5:59 PM

Niall says:

Hmm...

Lets legalise the sex trade in Thailand and pass a law that says that only the sex giver can profit from the transaction and all will be well...

Hmm... Okey doky stoky then that means that the boys in brown don't get a rake off and the bar owners get squat but won't have to pay off the boys in brown to look the other way...

Hmm... in Thailand, yeah that'll work...

NOT!

July 28, 2004 6:21 PM

Zico says:

The reason Turn-On doesn't see as many asians as falangs "abusing" Thai girls is simply because he doesn't frequent the right places. If he really wants to see abuse on the grand scale he should pop into a bar, massage parlour or brothel run by Thais for Thais. These far outnumber - and always have - those set up to milk foreigners. At the top end of the echelon they are ritzier than he can imagine (I know, I've sampled the genre) and at the bottom end boast a level of abuse of their sex-slave employees which make a "face job" look positively benign. Generally speaking, girls working the falang circuit have a far better working environment and conditions than their luckless sisters in Thai-for-Thai establishments where ALL the customers see them as a lower form of life - with the blessing of their religion. Abused by falangs as some unfortunate girls in places like Patpong and Walking Street may be, they at least have a reasonable prospect of one day meeting a decent man who might fall in love and even marry them. Maybe someone like Turn-On. . .
Zico

August 12, 2004 5:26 PM

AVID says:

Well,

Isn't it funny, all these "guys" (or should I say freaks) kidding themselves that these "beautiful ladyboys" are so wonderful. My God, how pathetic you are you perverts.

If you like dicks, you like dicks! And you are cock sucking pussies. It's that simple.

How many times have I seen "ladyboy lover" dinning with his ladyboy at that restaurant on PP2. What the fuck is wrong with you?

If you're gay, head out to SF and "get married", if you're a freak, take your LB out, suck HIS tits and when you've finished, cream your head with his shit.

Ladyboys are men with a complex! They need "gay" therapy!

August 16, 2004 3:50 AM

TANAI KWAI says:

Avid,

You've made a wonderful contribution to the board -- one that will be preserved in cyberspace for your children and grandchildren to admire for eons to come. It's this kind of thought-provoking, well-informed, painstakingly edited commentary I long for whenever I log on to this site. You are not afraid to take a brave stand, and to make statements that stir up all of my hatred against ladyboys and their perverted admirers.

Keep that finger on the pulse of the readership! You are truly doing God's work.

(Bravo!)

August 16, 2004 5:38 AM

dtoodman says:

Somebody PLEASE post the thai script words for
Mr./Mister
Mrs.
Miss.

The Thai Surgeons have everything taken care of. Between the hormones in the food and the world class techniques only the Thai ID will tell the truth and a fellow Thai will never interfere with another trying to make a living or get over on a farhang!

September 23, 2004 8:52 AM

melanistic says:

It saddens me when I read the sort of things said on these and other pages. There are some people writing their comments here, who seem to be obsessed with the size of their sexual organs, and determined to prove there own masculine prowess. These forums could be used in a more constructive way, surely.

As to the issue addressed on this page, I'm sure there are many different opinions about katoey, but one thing should be pointed out. Almost without exception katoey do not choose to be the way they are, but have become what they are by an unfortunate freak of nature. Why this should be quite so common here in Thailand is beyond me, but it is a fact. Perhaps because of the overall "Sex for sale" image of Thailand, it has become more acceptable for them to "come out". Be that as it may, they are still human beings, and deserve the same respect that all human beings deserve. While I have not the slightest desire to engage physically with them, I think their conversational ability might be more enjoyable on occasions than most of the testosterone swilling inbeciles that grace these pages with their words.

As for farang being taken for a ride by Thai girls, yes, it does happen. I can vouch for that. She was not a bar girl, as far as I am aware, but was introduced to me by an English friend's stepmother (Thai). To cut a long story short, she took me to the cleaners, via the casualty unit of the local hospital. However, that doesn't mean all Thai women should be tarred with the same brush. It would seem that in the bars most frequented by farang there are three distinct types of girls. There are those who are there because they need money to feed and take care of their family. There are those who are there because they see no other way of meeting a foreigner to look after them and their family. Really an offshoot of the first type, but the distinction has to be made. Thirdly there are the lifers. They enjoy the way of life, and they see no reason to change. They are often older ladies, by virtue of the fact they've been doing the same thing for a long time, and they have, by and large, accepted the fact that no-one is ever going to whisk them away to alife of luxury. It would be easy to dismiss this by saying "They are all just prostitutes". Technically they are, but their reasons for being so vary greatly. One can only assume that the Katoey have much the same distinctions among their ranks.

People are people. Treat them with respect, and they will treat you with respect. Although Thailand may have it's share of problems, just remember one important fact. Despite those problems we choose to live here, for whatever reasons, so instead of complaining about the situation, get on with your life, and accept it's never going to be like home. If it was, why would we all have come here in the first place?

November 28, 2004 11:54 AM

losluvr says:

MELANISTIC, I applaud your remarks & agree with the majority of what you'd written. But I do not agree with how you feel that a ladyboy is an "unfortunate freak of nature". I, myself am a ladyboy lover & admirer. I view them as special gifts. I have many LB friends & have been in a relationship with one for almost a year and our love & respect for each other grow continually....I've noticed comments such as AVID's and have to say that a person such as this is the TRUE unfortunate freak of nature. A cold hearted person without understanding, love & compassion in their heart is the saddest of all creatures. A lack of understanding=ignorance. Why is it that people have opinions on matters without personal knowledge? Don't they realize how foolish that is no matter what the topic? At least when I speak, it's from experience. If you've spent any time at all in Asia, you have to realize that much of your western ways of thinking are futile. Keep your mouth shut, your mind open & I promise that you WILL be rewarded greatly in many ways..... TANAI KWAI, this goes for you too!....God's work??? It is appearant that you know very little of the TRUE GOD!!!

December 3, 2004 4:40 AM

TANAI KWAI says:

LOSLUVR writes:

"TANAI KWAI, this goes for you too!....God's work??? It is appearant that you know very little of the TRUE GOD!!!"

Your point is well taken. You might not have appreciated this on your first reading of my comments, but I was simply mocking the other guy -- the one who hates ladyboys.

The truth is, I see ladyboys as "special gifts" also -- far more feminine and graceful than any other creatures walking the earth.

In fact, as a fellow ladyboy lover and admirer, I actually regard those who would have sex with regular women as homosexuals. If we continue to spread the word about ladyboys and their feminine charms, perhaps this homosexuality will end one day.

But in the meantime, I hope you homosexuals are pleased with yourselves... flouncing around with your women-from-birth, with their non-surgically fashioned "vaginas." Bunch of pervs!

Cheers,
TK

December 3, 2004 10:45 PM

Dick Headley says:

Well said TK. Not my cup of tea but it's your winkle. Stick it where you like mate. dh

December 4, 2004 9:25 AM

TANAI KWAI says:

Oh Christ.

December 4, 2004 11:10 PM

melanistic says:

Apologies to anyone who was offended by my "freak of nature" comment. It was not intentionally used in a derogatory sense, and I realised as soon as I posted my comments that it was a badly chosen phrase. However badly chosen, I do believe it to be true, at least in part. Were it not for mother natures little quirks, the katoey would not exist. Human's, as with all other animal species, are basically designed with one major aim, that being reproduction. As we are all aware, if there were no women, we would not be able to perpetuate the species, no matter how many katoey were available, either pre, or post op, so from that point of view, nature has been playing some cruel tricks, so while the phrase "freak of nature" may sound unkind, it is accurate. There is no doubt in my mind that cruel is the right word. Many katoey I have encountered have been desperately unhappy, because of being a woman trapped inside a man's body. The use of the word gay to describe katoey is the biggest corruption of the English language I know, being used as it is, to describe something which can make people so desperately unhappy.

The reference to the true God is not something which holds any water for me, as I am a confirmed atheist, but I can fully appreciate that others do have a belief in God, and are perfectly entitiled to do so, as long as they allow me the same freedom. What I believe in most is people. There are some good and some bad, of course, but on the whole, people are what we have to rely on in our day to day lives. I only hope there are not too many people like some of the writers on this page, who I encounter along my way.

Sorry Tanai Kwai, but if your comments are intended to be serious, you are way off the mark, if not to say a little extreme.

"In fact, as a fellow ladyboy lover and admirer, I actually regard those who would have sex with regular women as homosexuals. If we continue to spread the word about ladyboys and their feminine charms, perhaps this homosexuality will end one day.

But in the meantime, I hope you homosexuals are pleased with yourselves... flouncing around with your women-from-birth, with their non-surgically fashioned "vaginas." Bunch of pervs!"

So we're back to the whole perpetuation of the species issue (my issue you understand), and also to misuse of the language. "Homosexual" only has one meaning. A sexual attraction to members of your own sex. Nothing wrong with that, but please don't try to accuse heterosexual people of wrong doing, simply because they follow natures usual course. That doesn't mean that your way is wrong, and our way is right, just that the two ways are different.

These web pages give us a chance to share our views with a wide range of people, most of whom we will never meet in out daily lives. Why do we not try to use them as an open forum for real debate, rether than hurling abuse at each other. Everyone is entitled to their own views, and possibly, if we present those views in a sensible and ordered fashion, it may be that we can persuade others of the correctness of our ideas. That is what debate is all about, not hurling indiscriminate abuse at everyone because you lack the power of considered thought, or the inability to write your own language in a way that people will take an interest in what you say.

December 5, 2004 12:55 PM

Sandy says:

Wow!

They say lady boys spend half of their earned income on paying off their loans for the plastic surgeon. That's a level of dedication you have to admire; doing what they do, changing their whole look permanently for the sake of their's and someone elses satisfaction.

They say LB's spend the other half on therapy sessions.

December 5, 2004 10:49 PM

TANAI KWAI says:

This is truly tragic. But for the overblown, clumsily exaggerated tales of Captain Fantastic, MS has become nothing more than a turgid wasteland of literal-mindedness.

Errant?

Combover?

Dana? (My God, I've been reduced to crying out for succor from Dana of all people... Dana! A man who's probably eaten people!)

Farangutan?

David?

Where once hours could be spent in idle pleasure... now mere minutes are too painful.

"The reference to the true God is not something which holds any water for me, as I am a confirmed atheist, but I can fully appreciate that others do have a belief in God, and are perfectly entitiled to do so, as long as they allow me the same freedom. What I believe in most is people. There are some good and some bad, of course, but on the whole, people are what we have to rely on in our day to day lives."

God almighty. There was a time when the author of such insipid dreck would be cast out, consigned to Stickman or some other site where writers can ramble on for pages, luxuriating in their barren and mundane thoughts.

Tragic.

December 6, 2004 2:19 AM

Dick Headley says:

I wish there was something I could do or say that would make it all better TK. I really do. Mangosauce was so great. I think it was because David posted his musings, it didn't much matter what, and we were all free to add our own rambling observations and have little digs at each other. It was a feast and everybody got something out of it. Nowadays we are reduced to picking over the corpse. Cheers anyway DH

December 6, 2004 6:03 AM

TANIA KWAI says:

Tanai,
Please return home. Mum is seriously ill and crying for you. We promise we wont send you to the asylum again.
Love,
Tania

December 6, 2004 9:50 AM

TANAI KWAI says:

DH,

That others are also suffering David's absence makes the situation somewhat easier to bear. I'll try to be brave.

As for the intervening post, I am one of those Americans who tend to have an image of Brits as a uniformly clever, erudite bunch. I guess that illusion's dashed!

Best,
TK

December 7, 2004 11:55 AM

TANIA KWAI says:

He was always the smart one in the family, with a penchant for using ceremonial words. But calling himself "American" - tch! tch! - Mum's having an heart attack reading that one.

Tania :-(

December 7, 2004 4:50 PM

TANAI KWAI says:

"Nowadays we are reduced to picking over the corpse."

Look Mum, I found the corpses's asshole!

(see immediately above)

December 7, 2004 9:45 PM

TANIA KWAI says:

Shhhh! Tanai, didn't the good doctor tell you never to discuss your necrophilic fantasies in public?

Always pay heed to the warning that Mum gave you after the dead dog incident. We are going to snip your wee wee if you think of sticking it in such places again.

Come on home! We are your family darling, we love you as you are, we promise to take care of you always:-)

Love & cuddles,
Tania

December 8, 2004 8:08 AM

melanistic says:

I believe in people until they prove me wrong.

TK. You're a wanker. It's a pity your father wasn't.

December 8, 2004 9:18 AM

Sadbastard says:

I'm reviving this thread because I want to see my "handle" in the latest comments sidebar.
Plus, it's too good to let die.
I love this stuff. Lots of passion and seriousness and the occasional CAPITALISATION and *issues raised*.
All forgotten in the moment. I've had fantastic sex with ladyboys. No problem at all. For them nor me.
I like cock, but find it misplaced on a guy without breasts (except me, where it looks just fine). I like pussy, too, but not on a guy, unless he has breasts.
I'll be leaning on the rail at Big Dogs very shortly, making all the same mistakes all over again and loving every hilarious minute of my own folly.

October 29, 2006 1:25 AM

damien says:

If she looks like a girl, acts like a girl,has no dick and makes me horny, Im going for it no matter what her past was all about. You see a hot girl , you get horny, and then you find out she was born a guy, and now you get accused of being gay. WHERE'S THE DAM SENSE IN THAT? Im attracted to lady boys because of their femininity, that's not gay, that's straight.

November 5, 2006 7:28 AM

anie says:

HI all farangs!YOU ALL HAVE TO READ!!!!

some of farangs here insult thai women, i am thai reporter girl 24,years but i finished master degree in Phisics...many farangs are so bad as well, last three month one ugly farangs have sex with 500 students for geting revenge cause he think that he got HIV from thai bar girl!!!the police catch him and many farangs were caught by the police cause of drugs and using fake credit cards.not all farang are good, some are asshole and cockhead..and many of them cheat thai bar girl to them coutry and force them to be postitute..!!!!!

for example, NUN AND NAN, 19 years girls who uneducated were chated by German and American man to go Germany and force them to sell their bodys and having sex with animals and take a video for sell!!!! SEE!!!! and chained them in the room,grab their passport...the they have to fuck with farang 20 persons a day!!!! see! what the hell of these...so one good farang help them by paying lots of money for the gard and take them out to the police station..i talked with them, they still crying and their heart are so painful. so what are u thinking abou this

most of men around the world are very rude and insult my country , i remember when i was studing in the university in Bangkok i was once have to be the representative for joining the Phisics compettion in Usa.I am not ugly girl , i used to be model when i studied ..many young american men saw me and some ask me to sleep then they will pay me money..i said let's fuck ur monther she is horny and waiting for ur cock!!!!HAHAHAHH...u know my english is not so good, in thailand we only speak thai!and i heard the man said in the train in NEW YORK u know what he said!! ....OHH THAI GIRL JUST A CAN OF COKE U CAN FUCK THEM AND TAKE THEM AROUND !...i ws very angry everyone loves their own country and not all thai women are postitutes..I cant believe what i was doing..I KICKED HIM ON HIS COCK AND SHOUT OUT LOUD FUCK OFF YOU! NOT ALL THAI Woman are easy and many women are well educated and why do u insult my country for! CAN I SAY UR MOMM JUST A CAN OF COKE ALL MEN CAN FUCK HER!!!! HAHAHAH!! MANY PEOPLE ON THE TRAIN GIVE ME A BIG CRAB..so this is my experience, not all women are postitutes if u hate thailand or scared some thai bar girls cheat ur money ..well dont need to com to thailand! just travel in ur country..let many positive people come like MELANISTIC SAID if u respect people they will treat u the same way!

many universities in bankok and many good thai women are honest and well educated..in every countries have lots of posititutes..america, etc....u cant judge all thai girl are bad want only money!...if u go pataya ofcause lots of uneducted woman who came from poor families and many not want to be a bar girs but the situation force them, u know thailand the cost of living and income not balace with each other..ONLY PATATA SOME where in bkk and some beach in sourth of thailand..the rest, like my city there is no bars girls here..all of my friend are well educateda and from cause study most them prefer asian , like japanese, lots of uni student like koren stype ..just few of them like farang, { american or westerns} i heard some student said farang are so smelly, their body smell like raw fish!HAHAHA just funny joke among uni students...

but me!! i not mind the nationality as long as he not insult or look down my moter land..:):)

KEVIN< cock head i dont like the way u said..shut ur mouth up before some file and shit poo poo get into ur mouth
in THAiland many the riches not only the poors..have u ever been ther?? see in bkk lots of cars lots of jams....lots of univerities , lots of big shopping malls, in thai word kevin means A MAN WHO BORN from SHIT OR POO POO HAHAHAHH!!!sad for ur country that have a person like u there..u must be an ideit or jerk there..dont come to thailand if u insult my coutry

THAILAND NO WELCOME TO KEVIN COCK HEARD!!]]

thanks everyone for reading , thanks who coming to thailand and never insult thai girls and if u know some thai bars girl want to cheat ur money..well, give u advice dont go to the bar places , in thailand many beautiful and amezing places for u to visit..but if u just comt to thailand for fucking just becareful be wise not only thai bar girl are bad , ur countries women are many worser:):) right? be wise not be so stupid...if u dont want thai bar girl get ur money so dont go to see them dont be dishonest to ur wives..lots have wives but be dishonest find thai bar women!..AGAIN FARANG BE WISE AND NICE MANY GOOD THAI PEOPLE IN THAILAND IF U R DOING GOOD GOD WILL PROTECT YOU FROM BAD THINGS BUT IF U R DOING BAD NONE CANT HELP U!!!!!! WELCOME TO THAILND GOOD MAN ONLY!

June 1, 2007 2:07 AM

Johnny Tokyo says:

anie - . . . . proof once again that you just can't make this stuff up.

June 1, 2007 6:25 AM

broadbandbully says:

Anie, did you also write the WMD report that British Goverment used as an excuse to invade Iraq?

June 1, 2007 8:48 AM

King Kong says:

anie luv, there's a home remedy for crabs - try scraping them off with a can of coke ;-)

June 1, 2007 10:24 AM

Prufrock says:

ani(l). . . Yo, physicist girl reporter, and somewhat shrill defender of well-hosed, yeast free, artfully-pubed, Thai,er, bunnage; yo, that Women's Studies Master's Theses of yours needs an edit. Yo-whaim-sayin'girl?
Yo.

Fans still remember last year's coverage of Yasothon's bang fai festival; that "Siam Sapace Program" thingy was a bit of the same sort of stretch. Yo-whaim-sayin'girl :-?
Yo

June 1, 2007 7:15 PM

Andy says:

One of my friends who is a Lady-Boy admirer..and often enjoys their company in the evenings ,passed on these words of wisdom to me...

1)When giving anal sex to a LB, you should reach around the front and masturbate them at the same time..this will hopefully relieve them before you finish.

2)If rule 1 hasn't worked and you are in fact receiving anal sex from a LB...never push back....ONLY gay guys push back...

June 2, 2007 7:10 AM

Dicer says:

assumption overload from the dribbling tarts...annie is worth every crab... life would be simpler if every assumption were to be true..imagine the US where da boys think the introduction of peanut butter and don trump will make everyone 'Normal'...

I once told this lao roiet driver about bkk people as opposed to provincials and gave him a sample dialogue where you ask them where they live and they say bangkai and you say, what steet and they say Mai lu...that did it...the guy did a projective laugh...a surprised burst...of course he caught it...all those years of wondering why thais didn't know their street and i synthesised it for him. A blast of laughter and i thought, the fellow is laughing hammers. Now I could do a similar dialogue for Annie where the conversation ends with the mention of the ritual 2000 baht and she is giddy with excitement.

There is more to BKK fun than putting up with the likes of Annie...fun like going to soi 3 1/2 sukhumvit and dining at al husseins..broken street, usual broken water main (all to make it look like middle east) and the usual guys in kaftans, a few berbers, pakis malays you name it. Normally they would say I am one of the bunch and who else would buy 5 kg in a plastic bag to walk down the street with. So it was my 45 min of being an arab and then back to being a mutant sneer factor for Annie et al...little walter mitty vacations you see. Actually if you play your cards right with lao drivers you never get near a thai for weeks and esp the likes of Annie. Emporium, Central etc are all laos as well.... As you might guess Annie is one of those chippy centrals.

Or maybe annie works in villa 33. She may be that girl in braces promoing juice. Talks like her. How do I know? One time I tried the grape juice which tastes like prunes but then I spot that Annie has shiraz. Could i have a sample? No, too popular she says. Oh i'll take one anyway I say. Why not two she asks? for your family...bo mi i say..for your girlfriend..bo mi i say. OH I DO NOT BELIEVE she says. Now i was wondering, this is not the momentary mutant hype, hm, what would it be??? no, not an ovulating promo girl...no no no... Annie talking here is like when the elf reaches over and slaps you. The strange flirting step. what would the right term be?

June 3, 2007 12:18 PM

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