Nana Plaza girl dupes love-sick farang

Dana says:

Run. Run like the wind.

BeenThereDoneThat says:

For some guys fucking a stranger every night just doesnt compare with being with someone you have got to know.
You can stay with a girl like this providing you assume that she is playing a game. What you have to do is play the game as well. If she is happy with what she gets from you and you can afford what you give to her then go for it. It is like gambling, you are unlikely to get out ahead in the long run but as long as you only bet what you can afford it is fun while it lasts.
If one day you are fed up with her then dump her. Just make sure that that is always a viable option, dont let the hooks go too deep.
I went through a number of girls like this and had a great time, some of them were such gold-diggers it was really fun playing them. If they thought they were on the verge of winning then they just got sweeter and sweeter.
And then....I met a real diamond who passed all the tests. In nearly 4 years she has not given the slightest hint she is after my money. In fact I am now at home, 'resting' between jobs and she has gone out to work on a dark and rainy farangland morning to earn the money to pay the bills. What a darling!

Nana Nana Hey says:

"The fact that she convinced you that she wasn't a hooker is, indeed, truly amazing - given that she was working in Nana Plaza as go-go dancer and you paid her for sex."

Houdini wasn't a better magician.

Farangutan says:

Michael,

I confess that 3 months ago I wrote a for-all-purposes identical letter to David with similar questions.

I've since been fortunate enough to be able to get a good job here in Bangkok, and can only thank the gods for David's advice. I still see the girl I fell for occasionally, but have made no financial commitment to her, and have spent a fair amount of time with other girls as well so as to put it all in perspective.

All I can say to you is that I agree 100% with David's advice, and I've also come to realise the craziness of falling for a prostitute -you wouldn't do it back home, so why do it here? You'll never fully trust them because they are professional liars for a living, and once your money runs out so will they.

Also see if you can get to meet some good thai girls as well, the difference between them and bar girls is often staggering, and you'll wonder what the hell you were thinking. That's not to say all bar girls are bad, and there are definitely guys out there who've found diamonds in the rough (half their luck!), but the odds are slim and definitely against you.

I could go on..but I think you get the idea. Just.Don't.Do.It. Wait and take your time, get to know the girl first. I've made the same impulsive mistakes in the recent past offering girls to move in and shack up with me, but thankfully it's not eventuated. Don't beat yourself up over it, there's lots of naive guys like you and me who've been duped - but at least we can wake up and smell the bullshit before bad decisions are made...viva la mangosauce!

Whippet says:

"Michael",

I hope this is relevant: there was once this girl who, though I knew was a BG (or ex-BG as she professed), was pretty cool. She had the constant ringing phone thing from her BG mates, but aside from that we got on well. We liked each other, so much so that we had a 2-3 month relationship where she'd more often than not stay over at my place and *not once* did money exchange hands - she never asked for it, she said she "never wanted to ask a guy for cash again". Sure I paid for every drink and meal, but you do that anyway as a farang in Thailand so no drama there.

One day out of the blue she says she's going to see her Mother "tomorrow", "for perhaps a month". Can I visit? "Errr, no".

2 days later I discover she was with her buffalo, some Austrian guy she'd met in Pattaya back in his native land. She eventually returned to BKK about a month ago after 2-3 months in Europe, and there was a very lengthy tearful phone call late one night wondering why I didn't want to see her again.

As there was no cash involved at all one could assume that genuine fondness existed on her part, but of course there was no way I could continue a "genuine" relationship which was so obviously being "funded" by at least one other guy. "Farm girls from Nachon Rachasima" (or wherever) do not get to go to Chula or Tammasat Universities, and hence do not get to go to places like Holland easily.

A good friend of mine described "my" girl as the "ultimate pro", to which I disagree. A real pro wouldn't have ever let on she was a prostitute in the first place, and, if that was unavoidable, never ever let you know about other customers, or ever have you believe for even a fraction of a second that you were not "number one" in her eyes. Sound familiar? :(

AFR says:

Dana,

Good advice, succinct, but to the point

Gimpy1 says:

What are you? A fucking idiot! You were paying her to suck your dick! Oh I'm sorry, you were making love! Jesus Christ, could you be any more pathetic? She is a fucking whore! She gets paid to suck dick! Quit being a whiney little bitch.

Dean says:

Dear Friends:

David, Dana, Tanai Kwai, Combover, Cog, Waxhead, Pat Paulsen, Isabel II, Jamine Tea, Thai fan, Greg, Dicer, Bento, etc.
Including Jules!

I have started a blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only the first episode has been released thus far.

It reminds me of the hauntingly beautiful salad days of Saturday Night Live in 1975. In the very first seasons, it was called Saturday Night, not Saturday Night Live. The stage was very small. It looked like a cut out of a brick building with stairs. This was before the St. James Missionary, and the garage stage set.
But in the very first three episodes, the stage was just a curtain. Remember Andy Kaufman singing Mighty Mouse? I thought the stage was just part of the prop for that specific skit. When I got to see the very first episodes aired recently on Global television here in Vancouver, I discovered that that truncated platform with the curtain was the actual stage for the whole show, then!

Dean Noble. On amazon dot com I wrote book reviews about the books, 'Ape and Essence', 'Chrome Yellow', and 'After many a Summer Dies the Swan' under the name Dean Noble. In fact, I wrote these books reviews in Thailand in an internet shop on Charansanitwong Road near Soi 68. Those articles are probably still on amazon.com alhough I would be really curious to see how many people will actually look it up.

http://deannoble.blogspot.com

That's it!

Hey, I wish you all the Best as usual, eh?

yours, Dean

Dean says:

"Knowledge is limitless. Your life is limited.
If you use the limited to pursue the limitless, you will lose."
-Chuang Tzu

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Anyways, there is a kind of Darwinistic perfectionism that pervades Southeast Asian society that I can not stand.

Dean

Mike T says:

Dean,

I finally got the point about your post and had a look. Couldn't agree more, stop masturbating and get your little feller back to Bangkok.

Anon Anon Anon says:

Come on Tanai Kwai, tell everyone how they are skilled professionals deserving our love and respect and David is being unfair.

Your silence is..........................

FREEMAN says:

David,
If you always use to send warnings to newbies (Farangutang, Michael...) they will never become really experienced !
On the other hand, the quality of real-estate in Thailand will suffer a lot. In many Isaan villages the most beautiful houses were built by experienced whores from farang boy-friend's money...
FREEMAN

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

"In many Isaan villages the most beautiful houses were built by experienced whores from farang boy-friend's money..."
...or from a large number of customers over time..its all the same money...
The girls that end up with the most money are (in my experience) ..
- 'working' in farangland
- got a 'steady' boyfriend as well, who usually knows exactly what she is doing
- earning money from getting other girls working

There is one I know that has 40 million baht in the bank (I have seen the statement) and is still working in Germany (in her own bar).. aaah...the love of money...
and no, she doesnt have a boyfriend, its all for her

Bento Box says:

Live with Japanese girls, party with Thais.

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

Dean,
I just read your blog.
You are bored shitless arent you. You want to get out more, have some fun that doesnt have anything to do with any chemicals (poured down your neck or otherwise) or your little feller.
If you are 34 now do you really want to be 44..or 54.. just another sad monger...wanking between visits to Thailand?

nick adams says:

bento box, you may have a point.

dean, i glanced over your blog. grass smoking does not a zen master make. maybe if you weren't stoned all the time, you would know that. not that i'm trying to harsh your buzz or anything. it's just lame, is all i'm saying. but keep on rocking in the free world if that's your thing. no doubt your thai girlfriend is thinking about you as she's stroking her pole down in nana.

michael, at least you didn't send the whore money. as is indicated above, there are a few bar girls who are okay - or so they say. i've never met one. not that i've given one a chance to prove it either way, though. you're lucky, if this had happened a decade ago, you would've had no one to help you prolly. all hail mangosauce.

FREEMAN says:

Dean wrote :

ìI first arrived in Bangkok Thailand on August 2, 2000. Khao San Road was hot, and there was a sour, tropical smell. After a limo ride from the airport, the Pro guesthouse was as good a place to stay as any for my first night. My first few trips to Thailand were a total fuck-up. I had not discovered for myself the fifth dimension then and thus, did not live telepathically. I was under the impression that the body is the boat and thoughts are the wake, when it is actually, thoughts are the boat, the body is the wake. I believed that my thoughts were private and did not affect anyone or anything else and indulged in the most indolent, self defeating thoughts.
Your thoughts are not your own. When you sit around thinking bullshit thoughts, you are really fucking around with a dimension!
Practice makes perfect, so be careful what you practice.î
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Wow, I think this is excellent start-up for a novelÖ ìIntroduction to the fifth dimensionî.
It could be one of my own desert island (Koh Phan Ngan) next trip to this bit of paradise (much better than Khao San in my opinion)Ö. I will read it while enjoying ìthe warm, moist, silky feeling of my Thai preferred cunt wrapped around my penisî, as you say so well. You're a very poet, Dean Noble aren't you?
FREEMAN

Jim Beam says:

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now I'm all freaked out about AIDS since
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And you should well be! David is not a doctor and I strongly suggest you consult one.

After all you have been dining at the basement buffet!

Did you say you met her at Nana? She could have been in contact with people like Dana - ugh! Just think of the possibilities!

JD says:

My good friend and mentor, Richard "Pizza" Na Lahansai, often told me, "no matter how cynical you get, you can't keep up."

In my humble opinion, shaped by numerous encounters with LUV in Thailand, our Western concept of love just doesn't exist here. We are widly romantic about relationships which involve sacrifice, dedication, commitment...all that serious shit that no SE Asian girl has ever even thought about. Sacrifice...? Commitment...? SE Asian LUV is about being taken care of and provided for, and as long as we can do that for our Tru Luvs here, they will in turn, for the most part anyway, LUV us in return. Mmm, do they LUV us!!

They are GREAT girlfriends...can't begin to describe them to the guys back in Farangland...but once we think we can actually tie (Thai) them down to a serious commitment, we have lost. They just can't resist that game...being paid compliments, having someone pursue them, the attention they receive by all those Farangs by being so, so, well, by being so Thai/Vietnamese/etc.

So we get caught in this difference in cultures, perceptions, priorities, and impose our sense of love on these gorgeous creatures whose concept of LUV is very, very different, and we wonder why it doesn't work.

Of course they make us believe they do LUV us, and we certainly WANT to believe it. From the moment they flash that brilliant smile in your direction, to the touch of the hand on your face, the embrace (and you haven't even learned her name yet), we are cooked. "She must LIKE me, she smiled/touched/hugged/kissed me!"

Great fun, what?

YABS says:

GOLDEN RULES: never get involved with a hooker.
they are for fun only!
Never buy a bar in thailand or a house or invest in any business if you are not willing to lose what you put in!
These are the rules in thailand (along with don't get involved with drugs).
ignore them at your peril!
If you follow them thailand will be the best fun ever
but don't leave your brain at home!
What she meant when she said shes only worked in the bar one night is it was probably the first night that week! If she was speaking english and dutch then yes shes been doing it for years.
If its their "first" night there then if she can't speak a word of english she may be telling the truth.
90 percent of girls you meet in tourist areas
even with jobs will be hookers of some sort. Even ones with jobs will frequently freelance at night.
Be very careful!
tell tale signs are tattoos and smoking.
Good girls won't smoke or have tatoos!
I think thailand is unique as usually whores are easy to spot in other countries, they usuallly look damn rough around the edges. the thai ones apart from tats and smoking are sometimes hard to spot.
has anyone got any more tips on how to spot a whore in thailand?
one thai girlfriend i had who worked at bumrumgrad so a non whore i would wager
said thai people could always tell if a girl was
a bar girl along with katoeys, but admitted for falang sometimes it was difficult to tell.
we need some ways of spotting the whores and the katoeys. some are damn obvious
others are not!

Greg says:

Well said JD. I think that also there is a culture gap between the sexes of the same society as to what love means. Attraction and love are bound up, and men and women put emphasis on different traits. In short, women also fall in love with security, men also fall in love with beauty and sex. Emotional closeness and dedication has never the full picture for either sex.

richard says:

Could not agree more Whippet. In a similar scenario I found I was the Buffalo ( her mates grassed the girl up ) but then I could not complain as when we met i displaced a previous buffalo ( man orange ) .

Still cant wait to be back role on November

Richard

JD says:

Greg...yes, absolutely a huge difference between the sexes, even in the same society/class/culture.

So when you throw in the language, perception, religion, culture, AGE, etc., differences, it really creates an interesting mix. And what fun it is!

Cheers!

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

Well said Greg,
The sexual culture gap is far wider than any other, you will never bridge it, the trick is to learn to love it and enjoy it.
There is much made of the supposed 'culture gap' between Thailand and the rest of the world but my belief is that Thailand is just lagging behind in social and political development.
They had an absolute monarchy until 1932 when the army took over and the army has more or less been in charge ever since. What chance have women got when only men, and military men at that, have all the power? How are they to ensure their comfort and survival into old age and provide for their kids? No wonder that prostitution is not suppressed.
Was it any different in farangland in times past? Some estimate that there were as many as 150,000 full or part-time whores in victorian london, some of them young kids and some male. The reason there are less now is that there are many more ways for women to support themselves, only women with an expensive habit need the money.

FREEMAN says:

Thai girls are perfect illusionists and I think they have high psychological skills about farangs. They know we all are centred on our EGOS and they always give our EGO the perfect image we expect from the mirror. They are mirrors, and also mirages... We also are poor lonesome cowboys and a long way from home while in LOS.
How such people coming from the High-Tech West can be so vulnerable to a bunch of peasant's daughters ?? Why, as a highly educated PhD international engineer, I "like" to be cheated by such creatures? My EGO !
Why when I am in Thailand I think easily that this hooker is my girl-friend, and may be, could be more to-morrow ! ? Where is our occidental sense of logic and rationality?
Finally I think that a beautiful arse and strong tits have more power on money than my PhD ! As said by BEENTHEREDONETHAT a whore can get 40 Million Bath savings... Until that day I saved only part of it from my PhD. The Power of the cunt !
FREEMAN

Combover says:

"Good girls won't smoke or have tatoos!"

Bollocks - depends on the girls. Granted, in my company's office in Bangkok the girls do not.

However, at an arts/media company where a friend works the exposed brown skin in the office is awash with Celtic designs.

Jay says:

My advice would be looking further a field.
The most natural thing for a westerner to do when landing in a new place is visit a bar. In Thai culture only hookers go to bars. So although only about 1% of Thai ladies are hookers. You are going to meet and possibly fall for them if you only go to bars.
In Thailand nice girls that are not prostitutes do not go to bars. Period.
Hint: if you can get through any of Bangkok shopping centres without getting the eye from female shoppers or staff there's something wrong with you. Oh and don't dress for the beachÖ

Getting back to the question of how to spot hookers. I'd just like to add a couple to the list.
Tattoos yes but not 100% some Koa San/Chatujak hippy chicks might well sport tattoos as well as smoking.
Speaking English and can't read or write is a bit of a give away. Especially if it's very bar girl comments. ìStingyî ìCheap Charlieî etc. (Fluent Slang)

Another one I've found is eyebrows!!!
There's nothing uglier for me than a girl with none or very little. It congers up images for me of a quite bar, her and her mates sitting around. Going there's a stray one. Until there's nothing left. Then they draw on straighter pointed ones. Some of the older ones even have them tattooed in. Although it seems to be going out of fashion a bit now. Thank god.

Anonymous says:

These girls can't get paid enough for what they do or for the joy they bring. I honor their profession and wish them all love, health and riches (in whatever order they prefer).

Mike T says:

JAV,

Nice girls can go to bars in thailand but it is rare and they certainly do not hang out in Nana or Cowboy or any other knocking area.

If you wish to see some go to Tawadaeng or RCA (has this died now) or even Ko Sarn Road.

You could spot the difference as ....... well, offer them 1,000 Baht short time and see if they:

a. Accept (possible hooker)
b. Slap you in the face (offer 2,000, another slap, good girl, try to say you were joking)
c. Laugh it off and then their driver beats you up (good girl with prospects, one you missed)

Richard says:

Nice one August. Coincidentally I just got a call from a mate out in Thailand who put my girlie on the line. It was great to hear her yelping away.

As to how to recognize a hooker watch the flattery. If you have not seen you toes for years due to you great flopping gut and she says I love man pompuoi ( fat ), if she says all that hair in nose look sexy...etc.

I discovered a while ago my nickname given by my current Thai girly was bald big nose which put me out of sorts for a day or so. Of course the flattery thing can be a double bluff. Said girly collapsed laughing absolutely wetting herself when we went to see Harry Potter. Dobey same same Richard. For the whole Holiday every time we passed a bloody Harry Potter poster she would crack up and point at me and do a Dobey impersonation.

Fortunately for me and the girly my wallet is even bigger than my nose.

Richard

AVID says:

How do you know if that sweet looking thai girl is a hooker?

Well, if you can get her off the street/from the bar/ into your bed in just a couple of hours(with abosolutely no mention of money at all) then you'll probably find out sooner or later she is a hooker. Even if you spend a couple of weeks together, and no mention of money is made......eventually, something will come up & money will be needed, and more than you would ever pay a hooker.

That's how smart they really are. If they admit up-front they're working girls, they know they might get around 2000 bhat for LT. But that's all. If they build up rapport, convince you they like your dick & find a soft spot in your heart, that's when they strike. And they might get away with 10,000 - 25,000 bhat, and have a great time in the process.

You've got to admire them! They are way ahead of us! I love them! I'm counting the days till my next adventure!

Cheers!

JD says:

BEENTHEREDONETHAT....

The cultural gap is not a difference that involves development, economic growth or "moderization", it concerns a society that has evolved from various influences such as religion, type of economy (agricultural, industrial,) values, priorities, history, and so on. This shapes the way the society as a whole perceives the world in which they live, how they cope with it, and how they react to it.

For the Thais, they have adopted a non-confrontational (until the Sang Tip kicks in), laid back style that includes not telling the truth when it is more convenient or polite to lie, get by with the minimal amount of effort, have fun - SANUK!! - whenever possible, and elect rich and powerful corrupt people to office because that is what they all want to be when they grow up.

The Thai culture is not a matter of development - it is developed and it is what it is, quite different than any other, as are most country/ethnic groups.
JD

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

JD,
There are 2 ways of looking at another society, you can concentrate on the things that are different or on the things that are the same. People that do the latter generally make better expatriates, people who do the former form a ghetto when in a foreign society. Apart from the aspects of thai culture that are just down to stupidity and ignorance, many just work to the benefit of their rulers. Thailand has a long way to go before they have the option of electing any other than the rich, powerful corrupt.

The difference between a 'nice' girl and a hooker is measured in baht

I dont have a lot of respect for the rich girl who claims to be better than a hooker, I have more respect for the poor girl who slaves away at a menial job for low pay because she doesnt want to be a hooker

Willem Van Amerongen says:

It is vain and arrogant to believe that a prostitue in third world country is with you for anything other than money, or the longer temr goal of a western passport & marriage! They have nothing to lose.

S- says:

haha mooi gezegd Willem!

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

Willem,
I guess that since rich nice girls can ;love you but poor ones cant it is because they have a lot less money than you do, therefore by extension it is nothing to do with being a prostitute or coming from a third world country, it is just the difference in wealth. Just how different does the wealth have to be?
Can somebody with 10% of your wealth love you? 20%? 30%? 40%?... do tell us just where does the border lie? Or maybe nobody can love you..is that your problem?

WashPat says:

I would suggest that if you are the type of person that is a rescuer, that you do NOT ever visit Thailand.

Here's a test, go to the pound, ask to see the next dog that is due to be put to sleep. Take him outside and walk him around, scratch him behind the ears and pat his head.

If you can take that dog back inside knowing full well that within 10 minutes he will be put down...You are probably going to be okay in Thailand.

But if you buy that dog and take him home...You're fucked if you go to Thailand.

Our human nature, especially men, is to protect and keep safe that which we feel needs protecting. Thai women are born with the knowledge that this is how men think. All women are actually born with this knowledge, but desperate times calls for desperate measures.

There are a lot of hard luck, sad stories in Thailand...The girls are cute and innocent looking, and yes, you can even find sincerity in the most treacherous liar. They do it because they have nothing to lose, because they have to.

Darwin is the LAW and only the strong survive.

I married an American born Laotian...She makes more money than me. I travel to thailand for the freak show and then come home to mommy warbucks when i've had my fill.

Im the whore in my house...And there can be only one.

blackso says:

Hey, I think the thing about the eyebrows could be true-

TANAI KWAI says:

David writes:

"Just remember that prostitutes are for recreational use only."

In terms of playing the percentages, this is definitely a wise approach. Certain relationships have some daunting front-end obstacles. Examples:

1. Incest
2. Vast age difference, especially if the junior is within spitting distance of the age of consent
3. Relationships with the highly medicated or grossly under-medicated
4. Relationship with someone who has crossed the boundaries required to sell her body to a stranger
5. Any combination of the above

Otherwise stated, falling for a BG is generally for daredevils (the American Kennel Club terms these kinds of people "advanced" owners, who would choose an African Basenji* or a Turkish Pariah dog over, say, a chocolate Lab bred in Greenwich, Connecticut). Can it work? Yes. But such understandings are not for the faint of heart. Or for those wrapped up in notions of shame.

Sometimes, BG-type relationships are sought out by a man looking for the kind of woman who cannot shame him for his own checkered past and failures, personal or otherwise. If the man is enough of a sexual compulsive, the problems in the relationship migrate, becoming centered around his inappropriate sexual behavior, not hers.

But more often, some poor naive bastard just gets eaten alive, ultimately plunging off of a Pattaya balcony, his depleted 401(k) statement clutched tightly in his fist.

"Don't worry about AIDS - or any other STD, for that matter. You didn't indulge in high-risk behaviour with this girl. I know loads of guys who take a different girl every night and who haven't yet come a cropper. If you used a condom during intercourse, you'll be fine."

May I also suggest prompt removal of the condom followed by thorough washing of the entire genital, perineal and abdominal area with an antibacterial soap and/or alcohol? (I assume, Dana, that a modicum of hygiene does not disqualify this activity from consideration as sex qua sex?)

As to the fears expressed about oral sex, some guys just don't like to do it and will come up with all manner of reasons to abstain. Use your best judgment after a careful (but not too obviously clinical) inspection.

(...)

*Of 155 registered AKC breeds, Basenjis are by far the least popular. Basenji breeder J. Taylor writes:

You might ask, "If these dogs are so hard to handle and so uncontrollable why do people want them?"

While the adoption postings certainly make them sound sweet and loving enough Basenjis can range from highly destructive and aggressive to perfect angels...

Basenjis are curious, active and self-directed by nature. If they are bored or anxious, they can get into a lot of trouble emptying trash cans, chewing furniture, eating shoes and clothing, exploring the cat box, and destroying a wide variety of things that would amaze you! Never underestimate the wily nature of a Basenji. These activities give them great pleasure and using force or severe discipline will not change their predisposition to do them. The best strategy is to remove the temptations... Close doors and crate or kennel them if they will be unsupervised for any period of time (at least until they can be trusted).

Basenjis are not easily trainable... generally, they are self-determined and will comply only when they want to. When you get to know your Basenji you can watch her "deciding" whether to do what you have asked. This is not a trait everybody can live with.

In addition, the Basenji is a sighthound with a high prey-drive. (Don't even think about training thousands of years of nature out of them!) They like to hunt anything and everything that moves and will tear after all things that interest them, with complete reckless abandon. Sadly, this is the behavior that gets them killed most often; as they run into the path of cars without being cognizant of what they are doing. Their natural instinct also makes them bolt through open doors. No amount of calling and commanding will bring them back until they have satisfied their curiosity....

So, getting back to the question, If these dogs are so hard to handle and so uncontrollable why do people want them? For me it is because when they love you, you know it is completely their idea. There is no blind following or genetic predisposition to respect humans. You have earned their respect and affection. They challenge me and I find myself asking, How can I outwit this dog? . . . and enjoying it!

On a more surface level, they are clean and odor-free and they don't bark. They are a wonderfully portable size but still big enough for a good cuddle. Finally, they are simply magnificent to look at and watch.

Basenjis are not for everyone. If blind obedience is a desired quality in a dog, a Basenji should never be considered. But if a wonderful companion is wanted--and a relationship where on-going negotiations are the norm--and you have time to give your Basenji lots of loving attention, then this might be the dog for you.

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

WashPat,
Have you got her to build you a house yet, and a car, did you try the sick buffalo, lost mobile etc?

TANAI KWAI says:

Beenthere,

Very funny.

(...)

WashPat says:

BEENTHEREDONETHAT

LOL!!!

You made me think..I may be a whore...Just not a good one!

usvirgin says:

"Take a look at this picture
Öand then ask yourself why she speaks fluent Dutch."

LMAO!

Michael may also want to check the gender on her passport. I, unfortunately, visited Amsterdam before ever setting foot in Thailand, and looking back, knowing what I know now, I do believe I was duped.

mein gott says:

My girl smokes and has tattoos (incl. eyebrows).

Does that make her a ho?

Ragtopmuse says:

"The fact that she convinced you that she wasn't a hooker is, indeed, truly amazing - given that she was working in Nana Plaza as go-go dancer and you paid her for sex."

Too funny David. I am married to a legitimate Thai good woman. I concur with you and Stick that prostitutes are for recreational use only.

Tracey Emmin says:

Wow, yur wife is a lucky woman.

You have good heart!

*pounds chest*

caliduuude says:

JUST GO FOR IT!
Well guy i'm the only one here to say, Go for it! Why you ask, well like most guys you gotta learn for yourself.
She might just be the diamond in the rough.
And then again,If all the boys are right, we'll have another story to tell the fellas,while havin a cold one,staring at your ex-old lady's ass.
Just save a little bit of cash for the return trip to the LOS, to drown your sorrows,and have a cold one!

FREEMAN says:

CALIDUUUDE is on Thai Government's pay-roll ! The more money farangs lose here, the best it is for Thaksin's GPB balance...
Khap khun krap for farangs !
FREEMAN

Dana says:

Hello Tanai Kwai--regarding sex and secondary hygiene issues you will pleased to know that I take a shower once a month whether I need one or not. I am all about structure and rules and procedures and limits and lines in the sand and mature behavior. Sometimes I have the disquieting and delicious idea that a more frequent shower might be nice but I am afraid that if I spent more time touching myself people will think I am a nancy boy. I quess that doesn't bother you.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana,

I had fervently hoped that was a Dana impostor. Unfortunately, given your telltale tendency to use a "q" in spelling guess "quess" I must conclude it was you.

(...)

TANAI KWAI says:

Ragtopmuse/Aphid writes:

"I am married to a legitimate Thai good woman."

Yes, I think I saw her film.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thegoodwomanofbangkoknrhinson_a0a76f.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thegoodwomanofbangkoknrhowe_a0aecc.htm

(...)

Dana says:

TK--Don't you ever get tired of being right? Caught again! I am flummoxed by the g's and the q's in words. Simply can't tell the difference. Takes up scads of editing time before I hit SEND for Stickman. I figure it is one of the harbingers of brain decay to come. As my fathers candle started to flicker he had trouble telling the TV shows from the commercials. I used to scoff. Now I think I see the same sunset coming.

Thai fan says:

Thats the tough thing about these girls they are so pretty and sexy, you can stick your wang all the way to their liver but you will never reach the heart, relax and enjoy the kind of variety most average-looking guys can never get at home. Hey for you people lucky enough to be in T/land right now how about posting photos of bargirls for the rest of us who can just dream about it.? cant wait for nov 10 gonna be laid 20 min tops after clearing customs.

mr peter says:

The best thing about the goodwoman of bangkok film is the soundtrack. They used a mozart aria K583, very effective when set against a tart in a tuk tuk simulating a blow job as the machine pulls up at a hotel. That Aoi was a pain in the arse, wonder where she is now, rice farm or massage parlor? or maybe someone married her. I chucked the film out years ago but I seem to remember the prices quoted for LT were pretty cheap, even for 1992-peter

mr peter says:

Thai Fan

You will either be using a helicopter then to drop you off in Nana car park or be shagging the taxi driver half way down the expressway, don't forget the condoms-peter

YABS says:

Jay
you mention shopping malls,
true this is an optrion for non hookers
but still many of these girls are freelancers
at night. i know of many girls in nana
that work in MBK during the day.
Whilst bar girls are fun ultimately as an expat
we don't actually want to settel down with them
well most anyway. I just think it would be good to come up with some tips of how to spot a non hooker and where to meet them.
Do we for instance need to get away from touristy areas completely?
Are the majority of girls even with noraml jobs in the sukhumvit area going to be con woman?

Thai fan says:

I'm pretty sure my "girlfriend" will be there with bells on, and theres always that short time hotel across the walkway, ,,

Dana says:

. . . how to spot a non hooker. . .

Once in Pattaya I ran an experiment just to amuse myself--coming in the 2nd road entrance to the Royal Garden Plaza Mall around 2 in the afternoon I decided to smile in a very friendly adult way at EVERY woman regardless of age or social station as I walked from the back entrance to the front entrance on beach road. EVERY woman smiled back at me with her EYES and the richer the woman the more they were on the game. The women who looked they hadn't worked in 10 years and just got out of a Beamer smiled the most. In another setting you would have sworn that in no way would they have been hookers. You would have been very wrong. Depending on your point of view the experience/experiment was either depressing or exhilarating.

I once got into an afternoon conversation with one of those woman that walk up and down the beach selling boiled eggs and such. This hard working human pack animal was way way way way way past her prime. So it was nice to just chat and smile with a local while sitting on the wall next to the water. It was nice to have my humaness and kindness and interest reciprocated with no thought for anything else other than the simple pleasure of human interaction. I thought. Then SHE HIT ON ME.

So I gotta tell ya--I just can't tell the hookers from the non hookers.

nick adams says:

well, dana, after all, you were in pattaya. what'd you expect? i bet you wouldn't have to scour the internet very hard to find a human-pack-animal-fetish site, so you can also bet that some sweaty norwegian brought her back to his hotel at some point or other.

in those parts of thailand where there are not hairy drooling barbarian honkeys on every corner, there are scads of willing and very able thai girls. it always strikes me as amusing that most of the posters on this board consider bar girls to be lazy (which they no doubt are), but are too lazy themselves to look for a girl where more maintenance than "ok i pay bar fine" is required. don't get me wrong, the bar girls are lovely (if kept at the proper distance), but for fuck's sake. the universe does extend beyond the tip of your dick. just think: it is indeed possible to bed thai girls without paying for it.

wait a minute. come to think of it, i always pay for dinner. well, i guess you always pay for it one way or another.

Dana says:

Hello Nick Adams--You are not wrong but I would like to go on record by saying that I love 'paying for it'. I think paying for sex is the greatest invention of mankind. Dana--"You mean that's ALL I have to do? Sign me up."

nick adams says:

"I think paying for sex is the greatest invention of mankind."

football (the real kind, for all you euros out there, the kind that only barely involves footing a ball and requires lots of equipment, thereby keeping the riff-raff from playing it) comes in a close second, but i agree with you, dana.

the oldest invention is the best, i guess.

thai fan says:

hate to bore you with two posts in a row but lets not forget how a b/g "girlfriend" can save you money too by negotiating prices, helping you get around etc. I spent a week at the maenam riverside hotel withan awesome room, g/f checked us in and got thai price for everything, get this the minibar was stocked every day an all but booze was free, telephone calls -local were free- not ten baht a call, and the gave us two 100 baht "coupons" for the restaurant downstairs Every day -boy was she excited about those damn coupons too- and you can practice thai with someone you get to shag mid-lesson......room was about 32 bucks a night ,,,,same deal at the imperial mae ping in c/m and watching her drunkenly haggle with the longtail boat drivers was priceless

Birdman says:

A bloggar who calls all Thai bar girls "whores" does not make it so. It just makes him a man who who feels the need to lessen other human beings. And that IS so.

Ragtopmuse says:

Being a bloggar and a celebrity both require thick skin.

Carry on David.

KDub says:

Dana- Keep in mind she is a veteran. I wonder how many times she has played...'how to spot a farang sex tourist' before?

Ragtopmuse says:

Stick v. Mango

First off I applaud both you gents. But a closer look at Alexa stats shows that Sticks site has a "Reach" rank of 15-16 while Mango is at 10-11. This is the most reliable statistic for internet traffic because it is not limited to Alexa toolbar users. And to humble you further it means only 10 out of 1 million internet users come to Mangosauce. Contrast that with the Bangkok Post which has a reach rank of 75. Mango comes out way ahead in page views v. stickdue to the contrasting formats. So saying your site does more traffic than stick is a "reach", at this point. But Kudo's all around yours are both "bigger" than mine.

Dana says:

I'm just a consuming fool so the statistics mean nothing to me. I like Stickman and Mangosauce for different reasons. They both make me happy. Happy people don't ask a lot of questions. The only thing that concerns me about Mangosauce is the new and seemingly unbeatable spammer. If David goes to a registration format my time with Mangosauce is over. I can't do any of that computer stuff. So I am like a lover who already knows it is not going to last forever. One of the recent Mangosauce contributers named Dean has started a blog. You have to register. I couldn't do it. I can see my future. It is one of writing and sending and reading but no more chat stuff. Outgoing writing, private thoughts, and isolation.

Bow Wow Wow says:

Aw shucks! We're going to miss you. Bye, bye.

AVID says:

DANA. Couldn't agree more. Competition here is irrelevant. Content is, and that's what makes them a total success.

Thankyou Mango Sauce. Thankyou Stickman!

mr peter says:

Dana if you have such an IT disability how did you ever manage to sign up for an email account and how do you manage to send all those stories into stckman? I am sure some kind soul would be willing to help you sign up to mango sauce in no time-peter

AVID says:

BAD BRAD,

Did you test HIV+ in Farangland or in LOS?

You may be suprised to know that if all the HIV+ Thai girls went to Farangland most would be HIV+ no more! This is because the standard test used in Thailand is more suited to big pharmaceutical companies who want them to buy their poisonous antiretroviral drugs.

I hope your popping half a dozen daily & hope they give you all the side-effects that you read in the small print.

Have a nice short life!

Stone Cold says:

If you are lucky and meet a girl within a week of her starting in the business you may just find yourself a wonderful live-in companion. Provided you live in Thailand she may even make you a wonderful wife as thousands of expatriates living in Thailand can attest. But don't make the mistake of thinking that the marriage will have any chance of success if you take her back to Oz where 80% of all new marriages between people of identical cultures fail within 5 years. Another point worth mentioning is that most of the so-called nice Thai girls are not that beautiful. It seems that most of the lookers in Bangkok are in the trade - a lot of them on an occasional basis.
Anyway, what would most of these short-time visitors to Thailand do with a nice girl besides ruin her life? If you come here for sex: buy it, enjoy it, and forget it. If you come here to look for or buy love you have come to the wrong place.

Stone Cold says:

Billy:
"The beauty of it all is that As I have looks, youth & money on my side-"

Too bad for for a lot of punters that they aren't accompanied by brains.

Whippet says:

"Another point worth mentioning is that most of the so-called nice Thai girls are not that beautiful. It seems that most of the lookers in Bangkok are in the trade - a lot of them on an occasional basis."
- Stone Cold

Where on earth did you get that gem of bullshit? You stupid cunt.

Dana says:

I can't jump on every little roach that I see scurrying around on the floor but I agree 100% with WHIPPET in this case. You can not make a single meaningful conclusion or statement about where the beautiful girls are to be found in Thailand. They are like crocuses in the Spring. They pop up everywhere. The notion that most of the countries beautiful women are in the 'trade' is just not true.

Mike T says:

Being driven by hormones and desires a lot of the punters leave their brains behind, quite understandable and why not? Thailand tolerates it and the girls get well paid for sucking and pumping.

What I find hard to undertand is why anyone would want to announce to the world that a $20 hooker (oh sorry is that demeaning? Is that worse than whore, prossie or bar girl? Not up to speed on PC posts) has got them to consider spending 1,000s of dollars pursuing them.

A rational man would walk around the corner to the next fifty hookers if that was his thing.

Michael says:

I guess this is only a CON if I buy into it and spend too much money. As long as I get something out of it and go in with my eyes open I am not being duped, right?

So the question becomes, How much money is it worth. Problem is to get her over here I would have to put money in her Bank account, (Very Scary), send her money for the Visa application and trips to the Embassy and buy her a RT trip ticket, not to mention feeding her and buying her shit while she is here.

Maybe we are talking $5000 US. What do you think? I could go to Thailand three times for that kind of money and screw all kinds of Thai girls, maybe even find a non hooker. I know my original post sounded very Naive and that's because I was, but my thanks to all of you that have written, you have opened my eyes.

I will be careful, But I still miss her.

Stone Cold says:

Whippet & Dana

Whippet: You call me a stupid cunt. Would you like an opportunity to say that to my face? I will give a good round whipping and then you will have good reason to call yourself Whippet or Whipped Good.

Dana: I am not talking about the Lady Boys you court.

Whippet says:

Michael: See her, here, in Thailand.

Come back, and spend a fortnight with her here in her own environment - but unannounced. It'll be more fun than back in your hometown, and if she stays with you for the whole time then enjoy it, not forgetting to spend some time asking questions about her past - if the answers to the same question change between one day and the next be out of that door before you can say "nana plaza". If on the other hand you turn up and she's with another guy, then shrug your shoulders, go to the bar next door and have your fun there.

Would you send a couple of thousand $ to someone in a different state in the US that you had only just met, paid for sex with, and knew nothing of their background? I didn't think so. So, IMHO, vote with your feet, come back and see what happens. If you are here "eyes wide open" you can still have fun with this girl - just don't go and marry her forsaking the reception because you have a return flight to catch.

Apparently some guys do meet and marry BGs here and have a great time together, living happily ever after. I've just never met one. :|

BEENTHEREDONETHAT says:

Michael,
Ok, shes a whore but you are a whoremonger, so who else are you going to hook up with?

Its not only her level of commitment you have to worry about, it is your own. You had all these feelings about this girl but just got on a plane and went home. I agree with WHIPPET in as far as you should not send money but take it to her. You can get to know her and what she is up to and you can keep tabs on where the money is going. You could also make the play that spending all this time with her is costing lots of money which means you have to be frugal and then monitor her reaction.

If you want to be a 'sponsor' and get her out of p4p then you have to get her away from the p4p environment and her p4p friends. Get her back to her home village where she can live very cheaply. Get a landline number to call her on to keep her honest.

Mike T says:

Michael,

Better still keep your money in your pocket and fond memories of your time together.

If she has your phone number or e-mail, change them. If you do not you will run up huge bills talking shite with her or messaging.

If you have any contact with her your emotional strings will be pulled, they are very good at that.

As to the costs of feeding your obsession, if you decide to, it can get quite pricey as you obviously realise.

I have seen a LOT of punters who have become obsessed as you have, married them and struggled to get them to farang land and spent a fortune in the process.

They really are not worth it, they make crap wives and have nothiong in common with the husband apart from a liking for sex and money.

God knows what the geezer thinks lying in bed at night beside his lady from Nana. Maybe some can blank it out but why put yourself through it?

buddha_bob says:

I am really enjoying this website. Haven't laughed this hard in weeks. : )

I have a question for this forum. I have been living in Bangkok for the past 5 months. I am really enjoying being here. I have also been very fortunate to meet really nice people. I am a bit concerned though about my latest girl. She is 27 and I am 37. She works at a Karoake bar that is off the beaten path of Silom down an ally that I do not know the name of. No farangs pretty much Thai only. The owner is a policeman, and so is my girls brother-in-law. We have stopped by her sister's living quarters at the police station to say hello....not the easiest thing to do.

Believe me, if I had a say in the matter, we would not have gone. Which brings me to the communication problem. She speaks little english.

My plans are to live here in Thailand and go to Union school to learn Thai. I plan on living here and being as much of a Thai as I can be. I crack up at my friends that have lived here a long time and speak no Thai. Not a problem, but I am a bit of a culture freak and I want to know how to speak and live Thai.

I have known this girl for about 3 months. We have kept in touch via SMS and have had a great time at the movies etc... No boom boom until recently. Somehow...in what seems like the blink of an eye...she wants to live with me, have a baby, and work with me in Jewelry. WOW. A little quick no? She made sure I talked to her Mom on the cell phone on Mother's day in Mahaselakam. I feel married already....and scared as hell. Is my lady a con-woman?

Now for the suicide manouver......she somehow convinced me to have sex without a condom. Brilliant. All those years in College couldn't have made me smarter. She is so feminine, sweet, and... well it just happened.

How can I split up and not loose face and not have her police friends show up at my door?

I did not think she may have been a working girl until I read a post speaking about tattoos. My girl has 3 of em. Does that mean she is a working girl?? I spoke with a friend (uhhhummm) of mine from Gulliver's. She said that Karoake bar is the same as her job. Great! What have I got myself into. Since the Karoake bar was so small and seemed so much like a little mom and pop business, it never occured to me the girls there may be working girls. Better yet, my friend from Gulliver's informs me that Thai men hate to use condoms.....great.

To make matters even better, my girl has shown up several times smelling like whiskey. Yahooo! My type of woman. Sorry...I am being a bit sarcastic. My initial judgement is so far off on this girl....I am still in shock that this is happening.

My question is this:

If there is someone out there that understands Thai culture and a little bit about this type of situation.....how do I get out of this safely and maintain face? My buddy said to just have another girl over when she shows up. Hmmmm. Sounds dangerous.

Thanks all.....and ya...I feel like a dumb ass farang...so thanks for thinking so while you were reading this.

BB

Dana says:

Pack while she is out--pay all bills and try to get receipts--and scram to another city. Resist the impulse to call or write or return visit. It is a death star experience once your step falters with these girls. You must get out now. NOW. RUN. RUN LIKE THE WIND.

Dean says:

Ragtop muse: Yes, being a blogger does require thick skin. I have gotten my first letter as a blogger and it was a rite of passage. The letter was decidedly one of great opprobrium.
http://deannoble.blogspot.com

Mike T: I really liked your article on Hua Hin.

Dana: Now that you mention it, being on a blog is decidedly more reclusive. I miss the sparkling repartee on mangosauce.com. I am sure the women think that I am a clueless dumbass when it comes to women.
Today, on the street, I saw a person in Vancouver, "she" is a Native person named 'Cindy'.
Total transexual. Seeing this person made me think of the writings of Dana.
I have believed that the traditional normal and purest definition of sex involved a man and a woman. The man ideally should be older than the woman (in Islam, the woman should be seven years plus half the man's age, so a 24 year old man would marry a 19 year old girl) but often these days, no one at all would care if the woman were slightly older. I myself went through a benighted and misguided blistering phase in my life during my twenties when I lusted after women 60-80 years old. I was kinky that way.
But then when people get into alternative and even illegal forms of sexuality, then that is different.
Homosexuality, liking ladyboys, and other perhaps best unmentioned forms of sexuality is a parody of a parody of a parody of the normal form of sex, which is between a man and a woman of similar age. And sometimes, it is the fear factor, that squirt of adrenaline in ones stomach when one knows that one is doing something forbidden is an added attraction to some people.
"For some people, the illegality of it is attractive to them." -John Cleese, 'Monty Python'. An anthropologist would know this.
It is a constitutional right for people such as yourself to be queer, or like transvestites or whatever, under Freedom of Expression. However, it is not a Constitutional Right to discriminate against them.

It is hard to ignore the primeval natural pull of a beautiful young woman. I went through a period of apathy, but often these days, the sight of a woman will bring about a quick, acute rise of desire, making me remind myself of Rob Schneider's 'Orgasm Man'.

The future of Thailand is increasingly uncertain. I did wish that I had gone to Thailand during the 90's but then that fucking asshole in Cambodia was still alive. He did not die until the late 90's.
Until then, visa runs, and travel to Cambodia were an unadulterated delight as the Khmer Rouge still applied the practice of the curious political philosophy of 'cut the railway into pieces'. The countryside of Cambodia countryside was resplendent and replete with those boys in black pajamas and the red and white checked kramah scarves. Nice. (And I mean this sarcastically!)
The situtation in Cambodia is much better now.

The visa situation it seems, gets incrementally more difficult as time goes on, it seems, although this is not entirely true. An article on Ajarn.com enlightens those who want to know, that the visa obligations were much tougher then. In order not to spoil it, I invite you to look for it and read it yourself. Apparently, the visa regulations were much tougher before than it is now.

And global warming. Will Southeast Asia be even liveable in 20 - 30 years? The weather will be so goddamned hot! Those who can afford it will move to the Northern temperate climates.

But true to form, I still plan to visit Thailand some time next year to stay for an extended and indefinite period of time. Crazy, eh?

Dean Noble

YABS says:

Buddha bob
hate to tell you this but a karaoke bar is a thai brothel basically, surely you'd know this if you live there?

Whippet says:

Buddha Bob,

you say you "crack up at my friends that have lived here a long time and speak no Thai".

Well, I agree with you, but some people just can't be bothered; I also know many who simply don't have the time or energy after a long week at work. But whilst you are busy criticisng others about their lack of Thai language skills, your lack of common sense is pretty scary. Yabs is correct in saying karaoke bars are brothels, your girl works in one, and her family are in the police. Stay to well lit areas if I were you! Good luck.

Whippet says:

Sorry Buddha Bob, I've just re-read the last bit of your post where you ask "how do I get out of this safely and maintain face?". Put simply, saving face if the least of your worries right now. Saving yourself from an astronomical kicking, or worse, seems to be the order of the day.

Follow Dana's instructions to the letter: if you can't handle another city, get well away from the area you live in now and lie low for a while: 6 months should do it. Oh, and when you leave your apartment, don't show off your new found multi-lingual skilsl by telling the landlord where you are going! If they ask, tell 'em you are "going back to [ insert name of your home country here ]". And get an AIDS test while you are at it.

Dean says:

When I first went to Thailand, I was still in the thick of the maw of fetishistic inclemencies regarding old women. Women aged 60 - 80.
There were some old ladies in the Soi that I eyed, but they were married, and I had to live in the community with them, for God's sake!
One has to go to an anonymous neighbourhood for that.

This is probably a classic textbook case of an Oedipal complex that I had as a younger man.

It is a good idea for every young man who has a fetish for older women to go to Thailand and get it through their system and lustily partake in the pleasures of the flesh with some of the sensual Autumnal Siamese beauties.

Can it be that I like women that are old as well as young? Sometimes trying to define sexuality is like trying to define the outline of a water spilled from a cup onto a carpet, in calculus terms; its integral area is difficult to delineate.

Happy cunt hunting
Happy whore touring,

Dean

Buddha Bob says:

Dana, Yabs, and Whippet....thanks for the advice. Much appreciated. I hope I don't die!

BB

Greg says:

Just read your story BB.

Yikes.

Tell her you have left town. Don't keep in touch. She get's to keep face because you didn't dump her, and you get to move on.

Mongoose says:

Mike, I completely understand how you feel. Although the probability of your girl actually turning out nice is well <1%, unless you're terribly busy with other things (which it seems you're not), it would be a pitty not to investigate. Poke around a little, just to calm your doubts. What I would do is actually contact the person she's been with in Holland, just to hear his point of view. You can either try finding his contact info yourself, or ask her for it -- if she refuses to give it to you, you know she has things to hide.

It seems quite probable that she has indeed been to the west, the question is whether she fleeced the guy and fled back to LOS, or whether they truly had a disagreement.

Regarding her being a prostitute -- it's obvious that's how she makes a living, but that's not the end of the world, is it?

mr peter says:

Did someone say karaoke bars are brothels, this is a common mistake. karaoke bars come in all shades from hole in the wall places with no girls at all to up market karaokes with private rooms, these may or may not provide girls. Many up market ones may have girls who you hire to sing and for company but you might have to woo her for a while before she will go out with you. There are places it's true where you will be asked if you want a lady as soon as you set foot in a joint, eveywhere is same same but different. The same can be said for cafe's, if you go to one of the bigger ones thinkig you can flash a 1,000 baht and anything in a long dress will drop her panties you may well be in for a surprise. Hang around and see thai guys handing out malis with several times this amount to grumpy looking gals who are often not that good looking to my eyes. Most karaokes should be considered as places to sing until proved otherwise-peter

AVID says:

Its funny, but for years I had wanted to go to Thailand, but I held back for a long time after hearing so many bad stories. I've even travelled Colombia and El Salvador(scary!), so why should I not go to Thailand?

Finally I plucked up enough 'courage' to 'stopover' one night on the way to Bali, and 'stopover' one the way back. I figured one day in BKK should give me some idea whether I would like it or not, and if I didn't or if disaster struck, I wouldn't go back.

Anyways, a few hours after going through Passsport Control I was in bed with this beautiful girl from Roi Et. What made it spectacular were here silicone breasts!

Why do people travel anywhere else?

Mike T says:

BB,

Ignore them, some of them are just jealous of you bedding a girl without paying for it.

Others just don't like singers.

If you are not ready for a relationship just tell her so. Of course if it ends nasty then expect a bit of a kicking from her family.

Dana has good advice, move. Move to another part of town and let her know that you are not interested.

Good luck.

spade a spade says:

"clueless dumbass", Dean's description of himself. Exactly. Please go away you egomanaic bore. Do you really think anyone is interested in your pathetic story? Your mind is so far gone you cannot even follow the thread. Go light up another joint, you idiot, and get lost.

Dean says:

Sex is a vice. And a non-narcotic vice at that.
Sex is a clinical, repetitive, anthropomorphocentric vice.

But what the heaven, who can live without it?

Perhaps, according to today's definitions, the biggest sexual pervert of all is the one who abstains totally from sex for at least ten years. That is a nightmare scenario that no one would want to cope with; the spectre of a wasted life!
Talk abut the sublimation of one's natural sex drive just for some puritanical denial trip.

But in erstwhile times in human history, ot be chaste was a virtue. Even today, in traditionalist Christian circles it is encouraged that a man abstain before marriage. Equating abstinence with a certain kind of wholesomeness, even saintliness.

But when you go to Thailand, you are out of God's Land, my son. You are in pagan country now!

I hope to join you there, soon.

Yours, Dean

Dana says:

Dean you need to practise some editing and proof reading before you hit the SEND button. Sex is not a vice.

Mike T says:

Depends on your squeeze.

Nuff Said.

Stone Cold says:

Quote from Whippet August 17.

--- ìis correct in saying karaoke bars are brothelsî --

Where on earth did you get that gem of bullshit? You stupid cunt.

Whippet says:

To say *all* karaoke bars are brothels would be a little over-zealous but how many of these places have you been to?

Picture the scene: half a dozen semi-naked girls sat outside saying "come in, sir". You go inside and despite the karaoke sign, no-one is singing. A scantily-clad girl sits down next to you, and you are pestered to buy her a 'lady drink', and are clearly presented the option to take her out / upstairs if you want. Doesn't sound too much like a dedicated singing house to me.

Talk a walk up Petchburi Road next time you are here and see for yourself. Or try Ratchadpisek, Saphan Kwai, Surasak / Chong Nonsi / Sathorn, any street after dark in Pratunam, or maybe Rangsit perhaps? To name but a few.

Not wanting to assume anything, but I'm making an educated guess that a karaoke bar down a small alley off a Patpong soi (as Buddha Bob describes), will have more than the opportunity to hold a microphone and a bottle of Singha on the menu.

Then again, what do I know?

Stone Cold says:

I am here. I haven't seen a karaoke yet where I couldn't sing. Don't you sing when you fuck? How do you like being called a stupid cunt?

Whippet says:

I don't want some childish argument over this and I apologise for my earlier choice of words. If you see non-bargirls as 'not that beautiful' then you look through very different eyes to me.

Stone Cold says:

I will tell you what I see when I see a beautiful non-bar girl. Not 100% of the time but most of the time - IN BANGKOK. (Pls note Dana). I see a girl like those hundreds and hundreds of office workers who pour into the upscale massage parlors right after the offices close - every day. I see a girl like many I know who are the daughters of high ranking Lawyers, Dentists, Policemen etc. who unknown to their families are out earning a bit of extra cash at the escort services. I see beautiful university students out looking for a farang to help them out a bit. And the vast majority of the so-called nice girls are not very beautiful either. Try a visit to the Empire building, as an example, over the lunch hour, and be realistic and tell me how many really beautiful girls do you see out of the couple of thousand or so that work there. When you do spot one get up close and chances are you will see a few layers of makeup covering the pimples and a revamped nose (is there anything that looks more ridiculous than a Thai girl with a large artificial snoozer where that cute little Thai nose used to be?). No, my friend you have to look long and hard before you find a beautiful girl in Bangkok who has not been tainted with the sex trade. If you think you have found one you had better hire a good Thai private investigator to check her out and it isn't an easy or cheap thing to do - or maybe you just don't want to know. On the other hand if you like a girl small with lots of moles, skinny little legs, black nipples and cunts, and a shade of acne you are in the right place.
I on the other hand, (how many hands are there?), live with one of the very few startling wonderfully beautiful 19 year old non-bar girls. Probably one of the most, if not the most, beautiful girl in Bangkok - all agree she is at least a 9.9 but its a long hard search. But then again I am 68 so maybe there is hope for you guys yet. Excluding Dana - there is no hope left for him.

Mike T says:

Just to prick your bubble Stone Cold, they always say that their girl is a good girl.

Actually that is bollocks because I know plenty of ravishable good girls who do not need my money and whom I would be only too pleased to take home to meet my family.

The best thing about Thai ladies is that they do clean up so nice. Put them in a nice dress after a visit to the salon and you have a winner. Maybe this is why I like Soi 33.

Whippet says:

To be fair, Mike, Stone Cold's response was tongue-in-cheek. At least I presume (and hope to God) it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

Dana says:

Gee I'm sorry MR STONE COLD but I just can't let this go. I see beautiful girls too numerous to count every day. They take my breath away. I honestly don't you know what you are talking about. I think there must be two Thailands and you and I are in different ones. I'll check the map.

stu_$ says:

i have'nt felt compelled to write for a while but after catching a whiff of the horrendous shite from stone cold ... i had to dry heave

coming from australia ( a country well known for gold medal bull shit artist's) , i have heard some pretty big one s in my time but this guys crap must glitter like gold...?

a 68 yr old man telling us
" I live with one of the very few startling wonderfully beautiful 19 year old non-bar girls. Probably one of the most, if not the most, beautiful girl in Bangkok "

i 'm not sure that i posess the vocabulary needed to illuminate what a collossal fuckwit he is...

surely, someone who comes on asking for a whipping session with dana must be a nutbag

although,... a geriatric punch-on in lumpini park could probably sell more tickets than the athens olympics currently being ignored worldwide..!
i guess our david could be the ticket agent : )

secondly, when was the last time you heard a 68yrold use the word cunt ?

i've met old hippy/biker dudes from jail but never seen any use this language ...maybe he is speakin a new dialect of "pig latin"...cunt latin possibly ?

lastly..but no way least...who the fuck is "all" these people that agree your lady is a 9.9 ?
post her pic up here and see what scores she averages !
(although i fear you are too gutless for this as indicated by your reluctance to show your email address)
i 'll wager its a lot less than the imaginary number you came up with on your viagra frenzy
i'm not goin to mention what a monumental imbecile you would appear to be walking down the street with an alleged 19 yr old ?

my apologies to all the other old dudes here...
(including dana)
it's idiots like this that give seniors a bad name

Disco Stu says:

Oh, lordy, gimme a break.

I was at said Empire Building twice in the past week and had full-on wood from entry to exit.

Nice "ride" in the elevators, AKA sardine cans packed with OLs and a big-schlonged American.

Stone Cold says:

The best thing about Thai ladies is that they do clean up so nice. Put them in a nice dress after a visit to the salon and you have a winner. Maybe this is why I like Soi 33.
Posted by Mike T | August 19, 2004 05:26 PM

I agree Mike. Most of the ladies on Soi 33 look very nice. A far cut above the lower Sois where most of these correspondents hang out - that is when they can come up with the cattle class air fare.

To be fair, Mike, Stone Cold's response was tongue-in-cheek. At least I presume (and hope to God) it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
Posted by Whippet | August 19, 2004 06:23 PM

I feel sorry for having to tell you Whipped that it was not tongue-in-cheek. The truth is what you can get anyone to believe - I think that is a quote from Georgie Bush.

I think there must be two Thailands and you and I are in different ones. I'll check the map.
Posted by Dana | August 19, 2004 06:31 PM

Dana. You are right. Definitely. We come from two different Thailands. I don't have any Lady Boys in mine.

Posted by Stu_$ | August 19, 2004 07:42 PM

Poor Stu. He's just not with it. But hang in there lad and maybe one day you will catch up. In the meantime have another snort.

Whippet says:

"The truth is what you can get anyone to believe"

As I thought you're just trying to wind a few people up - I'd have thought with an imaginary girlfriend that good you could think of some better things to do with your time. ;)

Mind you, on the chance that you are serious, I do NOT believe that you at 68 have a "9.9" 19 year old girlfriend whom you consider not to be a bargirl. Sure, she might not actually work in a bar, but I can only think of one reason why a "9.9er" would be with a guy three and a half times her age.

I hope you are happy in your Thailand, SC.

Disco Stu says:

STOP IT! STOP IT! WHERE IS THE LOOOOOVE?

Oh, it's right outside. Just grab it, hand it 500 baht and it too can be yours.

Go get some guys, and stop yer bitchin. You are boring me!

This site is for fun, not being a big pussy!

TANAI KWAI says:

"Most of the ladies on Soi 33 look very nice. A far cut above the lower Sois where most of these correspondents hang out - that is when they can come up with the cattle class air fare."

Does anybody know of a Thai-oriented website that has some sort of financial barrier to entry to keep out the riff-raff? Ideally, it would also require proof that you have several sycophantic mates willing to indulge your fantasy that your Thai girlfriend is a "9.9" from a good family who was never "tainted by the sex trade" until, of course, she accepted money from a 68 year-old man, with whom she is now deeply in love and would never two-time? Oh wait, here it is:

www.WhereDidILeaveMyLSD-LacedCialis?.com

(please -- no pictures)

Frankie Fine says:

Hey, TK:

Yeah, I believe we should suggest our delusional "pal" Capitane Americanus for charter membership on that site.

Then again, I think the stick would qualify too. Am I the only one who remembers that when introducing "Mrs Stick" he used to go on and on about how she's perfect and gorgeous and never worked in a bar, is from Isaan etc. And, anytime she responds to a letter about bar girls she claims to know absolutely nothing about the sex industry. Of course, with her hubby being more than an expert on the industry and her being from Korat (where there is like zero percent chance she has no friends, neighbours or relatives with a connection to the industry), it's all a load of bollocks.

Anyway, im ranting. Hate that stick site...i do i do.

cheers,
FF

Stone Cold says:

ìI do NOT believe that you at 68 have a "9.9" 19 year old girlfriend.î
By Whippet, August 19.

Sometimes I have a difficult time believing it myself. But, nevertheless, when she turned 18 a couple of months ago it occurred to me that perhaps she was getting a bit old for me.

I must confess that it runs in the family. My Grandfather, who had accumulated a small fortune in Glasgow, stunned the rest of the family when he ran away at 84 with a 26-year-old lady. The lived happily ever after which wasn't long - unfortunately for him.

In addition to the excuse that, ìits in my jeans or the devil made me do itî I was tempted to this path by a visit to a Vegas Casino a few years ago. At our table during the show, (Tom Jones - yuk), was a rich old man from LA in his eighties with his stunning 25-year old girl friend. I watched in awe as she coddled him and whispered ìShall we have some champagne Frank?î How lucky he was I thought and there, God willing, go I. And then there is my idol Clint Eastwood who at 73 married his wife who was 33 at the time. I am ahead of him both in age differences between us and our partners and the beauty of the lady. Its a big wide wonderful world we live in here in my Thailand!

Whippet says:

Nice work on adding a full stop to the sentence of mine you quote to fit your point, rather than include the full thing which stresses mine. I'm envious of you being able to brush reality under the carpet, mind you, I guess thats why you are here.

Sorry, Disco Stu, no more from me - I'm off to watch telly with my humble 4.2 gote.

Stone Cold says:

---ìyour fantasy that your Thai girlfriend is a "9.9" from a good family who was never "tainted by the sex trade" until, of course, she accepted money from a 68 year-old man, with whom she is now deeply in love and would never two-time?î

by TANAI KWAI August 19,

Do I detect just a shade of envy there? It's your fantasy and my reality. Poor man!

Top Gun says:

TK who fantasies about his suite in the 5 star hotel overlooking the Nana Plaza , way above the riff-raff, in another post now attacks Stone Cold for identifing the usual suspects as "cattle class". What a fake. I know this old man Stone Cold. When he was his GF's age he was defending the "Free World" as a NATO fighter pilot. That's right, at 19 years old this guy was defending all you wimps, most of you not yet born, who now attack him for telling you the simple truth. Most of you are cowards and total losers and in your hearts you know it. Most of the time you are denouncing these Thai women as worthless whores unworthy of your hand in marriage. But the truth is, even with their fourth grade education they can spot a real man from a sick little wimp in an instant. Right now all of Thailand is obsessed with the porn star Nat. Check her out at Bangkok, Tonight.com, a far superior site to this site for bores and losers. Stone Cold's gf makes Nat look like an also ran. When you've defended the Free World as a teenager, worked throughout the entire world as a aerospace executive, live in a swank condo overlooking Bangkok , speak six different languages, and have a member that would cause John Holmes to wai you, you've earned the right to boast a bit. If you've got it flaunt it, isn't that what old blue eyes used to say. I know Stone Cold and believe me he has it all. Why he wastes a minute gabbing with this bunch of losers is a mystery. I quess he just gets a great laugh out of it all.

Stone Cold says:

Thank you for your kind words Top Gun. You are obviously a kind man and as such you have no business being on this site! - But do I know you?

gote says:

Ble-e-a-a-t. Ble-e-a-a-t.
I-P Add-d-d-ress ch-check, ai-ai-ai-aisle number-er-er sev-e-e-n.
Ble-e-a-a-t.

Stone Cold says:

Gote: Try smoking it instead of munching it.

Bald Scrotum says:

Wow...68 to 19. And here I was thinking my 41 years was too much for being with a 22 year old.

TANAI KWAI says:

Top Stones:

"Do I detect just a shade of envy there? It's your fantasy and my reality. Poor man!"

If snapping my fingers would magically cause me to switch women with you I would take a hammer to my hand to ensure that I did not do so accidentally.

"TK who fantasies about his suite in the 5 star hotel overlooking the Nana Plaza , way above the riff-raff, in another post now attacks Stone Cold for identifing the usual suspects as 'cattle class'. What a fake."

a. You are a putz. Staying at a 5-star hotel is kind of a lame "fantasy" for folks who can afford to travel at all. Glad to know you're really shooting the moon in your life.

b. I don't think it's good form to disparage others, wholly unprovoked, due to their economic status. But you have no manners so you'll fit in well here.

c. If anyone is a "fake" it must be you. You somehow know Stone Cold's whole biography and cock dimensions -- supposedly recognizing him here at Mango Sauce only by his truncated handle and protracted braggadocio! And then, as if on cue Stone Cold pipes up with, "you are a kind man" and "do I know you"? Sooooo clever.

If you want to be applauded for your feats of warmaking and whoring you merely need to come on a little less like an asshole. The readership is generally pretty fair.

(...)

hentaigaijin says:

Forgive me for butting in here but by chance I read this thread and came to one conclusion: dipshit Americans.

I have no truck with any man that has seen action in the field, believe me, but the way Top Gun is sounding off only gives the impression that he himself is an inadequate that worships some dead-ringer for a donkey-cocked Blake Carrington. You come across as the kind of twat that religiously watches the movie 'Top Gun' and cries when Goose pays the ultimate price for freedom.

By the way: (post WWII) No fucker was out there defending me. I don't believe in your bullshit flags or cunts wearing a uniform and thinking that makes them a man and better than everybody else. Go visit the American War Crimes Museuem in Vietnam. You are just children who never grew out of the childish obsession with being 'hard'. You and George Bush should both be suffocated. And you can also shove your corporate bullshit - would mean nothing to you if you were actually a person.

Ultimately the sin rests with an anal invader name of Top Gun, not the Kirk Douglas wannabe he hero worships.

When you trade in the illiterate Thai looker for Heidi Klum it might actually register as some kind of noteworthy feat. Until then just keep massageing your own egos.

PS Speaking 6 languages does not make you Stephen Hawkings. Post the pic of your fantastical bint on-line and let the lads decide.

stu_$ says:

blah blah blah
more bullshit from old dribbly cheeks
a NATO fighter pilot at 19 ?
where ?...on the moon !
big fucking deal,
my grandfather was in WW2...he died in a concentration camp...

he fell out of the watch tower

no seriously, my grandfather did die in ww2 and my great grand father died in gallipoli so suck my balls...i've got your sympathy right here

and if you believe that festering pile of shit he dropped...and i quote
"worked throughout the entire world as a aerospace executive, live in a swank condo overlooking Bangkok , speak six different languages, and have a member that would cause John Holmes to wai you"

it just so happens that i have worked on the moons of jupiter but now happen to live in a 7 star revolving anti-gravity condo above the playboy mansion.

as for his six languages yes he does have 6 tongues ...they are
1 falsifying,
2 fibbing,
3 guileful,
4 inventing,
5 knavish,
6 mendacious

what type of asshole struts up and down this site telling us how great his life is/was and how he's got so many more wonderful/exciting/classier things to be doing...go on F@CK OFF

oh i think blind freddy can see stone cold and top gun are the same person ,
and if you dont agree with me i shall promptly send my invisible robot ninja round your place

Gimpy1 says:

Tania,

"you merely need to come on a little less like an asshole. " is a great line.

Maybe you should practice some of your own advice between blowjobs when you are mopping the restroom.

Dave says:

That Tanai Kwai can't even find a decent bird in Thailand i think. Weak, man, so weak.

Dana says:

Jumped up Jesus what is it with the guys on this site? Just because an ordinary fellow has had mind boggling balls to the wall sex with over 400 trannies he has to hear about it and hear about it and hear about it and hear about it. I'm sick of this childish denial and dissembling and hypocrisy. Let the man on this site who hasn't had sex with at least twenty transvestites raise his hand.

Dean says:

I raise my hand!
Dana, about your sexual proclivities, "I don't know, and I don't want to know."

This is a classic case of projection.

"People will push some persona onto you that has nothing to do with who you are, but is just an extension of their fuck ups." -Terry Edwards
(Terry is a Vancouver-poet friend of mine.)

My friend Mark, who was a junkie, thought that everybody else shot junk, thinking about this person and that person, "Oh, he probably shoots up every once in awhile."
The thing was, most of these people did not know anything about shooting up at all, in fact, they have got no reference points to it at all! Mark was, in a typical way, projecting his junk movements onto others.

Projection.

Dana projects. Apparently, it is one of his projects.
Like a lot of writers who post on this blog, Dana is a very intelligent and talented writer.

KDub says:

Dana- My hand is up.

"has a member that would cause John Holmes to wai you" - damn funny IMO

I'm always amazed how easily fights break out on these sites. I can understand it over on my favorite football site...but here?

Dana says:

The check is in the mail.

Stone Cold says:

Wow...68 to 19. And here I was thinking my 41 years was too much for being with a 22 year old.

By Bald Scrotum August 20.

Hang in there man. Your are off to a great start. It's a wonderful life isn't it?

Stone Cold says:

Hey look. That guy Dana has come out of the gutter again! Push him back down the hole and this time weld the manhole covers!

Stone Cold says:

Hey TK. I know you! Or to be more accurate I've heard all about you. Aren't you are the fellow who picks up whores at Nana Plaza, tries to impress the hell out of them by taking them to your luxurious suite full of computers and other trappings carefully set out to impress, performs very poorly and strangely in bed, and then gives each of the girls a very expensive gift - in my friends case a wide band gold bracelet worth at least 15,000 bath - to impress them by your wealth and charity and to compensate for your sexual inadequacies?

But of course they, like us, see right through you. What a laugh she had. ìUseless tit in bed,î she said, ìtrying to impress me and keep me quiet with his moneyî. And she ought to know because she has really been around having been a star performer at Pat Pong for a few years. In fact at the time she was being supported in lavish style by two millionaires, one from Switzerland and the other from Texas.

You try to impress us in a similar manner. You sit around half the night surrounded by your dictionaries, thesaurus, book of quotations & speeches and reference material and try to compose something that will impress the hell out of us. Your submissions to this site have no real content to speak of, no depth. But don't feel bad. Your ailment is common among successful people. An overwhelming and all consuming sense of inadequacy manifesting itself through a compulsion to feel wanted, admired, loved. Unfortunately, the type of actions taken to fulfill this consuming need often have the exact opposite result, your case being a prime example.

Get hold of yourself my good man and enjoy life.

Stone Cold says:

It's been a lot of fun guys but all good things come to an end and it's time for Bye Bye. In closing, it's all true. Don't fret. We don't bother anyone and lead a quiet life. My only regret in this exchange of views was the fact that someone insulted Stick's wife. That was a very mean thing to do and I am sorry it was done in the course of this exchange of views. People get shot for that sort of thing. Very poor manners indeed.
Also, Dana, I am in fact a great fan of your writing - keep up the good work. Cheers to one and all and to all, So Long.

ze stiick says:

Dana, you are stifling yourself, losing your ego war on the internet in front of people who don't care. Think about th