If she's a looker they'll brand her a hooker

Charles says:

I'm married to a Chinese Malaysian, and given most westerners can't tell the difference she is always assumed to be thai which annoys her. As for trouble with being hit upon, in the UK you just get looks but worst of all was going to Turkey on our honeymoon, that was a complete nightmare and we will probably never go back, talk about being treated like a prostiute it was relentless. My wife found it all the more shocking as she came from a very conservative chinese family, this was made all the worse when i was offered £5,000 by a paricularly seedy turk who wanted to buy her!

I travel to the far east regularly on business and I know that the seedy image that thailand has is so far from the truth, yes it does happen but show me any western country that doesn't have a seedy underside, they are in general the nicest and politest people I have met and the west could do a lot worse than learn their manners

gt says:

My first wife was Korean, I met her in college. She was always explaining to people that we met in college, so they wouldn't assume I met her while in the service and hinting that she was a hooker. Current girlfriend is Thai, and 16 years my junior. She works 2 jobs and goes to college. The looks that she gets with me are very cautious by the guys (I'm not small) but she does get looks. Also one job is a waitress and she is always getting hit upon.

This from a girl it took me many months to even get a date!

bangkokram says:

My Thai wife as turned down several chances of coming to the UK, she is so scared of people thinking of her as a prostitute.
It will happen! Recently my best friend visited from the UK, he bought along a real Clot of a business friend, who Whored all week. Nothing wrong with that, but to ask me if my Wife used to be a Working Girl was beyond belief. This isn't the first time.
"No" I amswered, "Did your Mother"?
Then again when someones trip to BKK goes no further than The Hard Rock cafe in one direction and Suk Soi 9 in the other, what do you expect.
Knowing several Thai's who live in the UK or have visited, Thailand's reputation proceeds it. Maybe one of the down sides for being a blokes paradise. It really pisses them off! Farang women being the biggest culprits, treating them pity and contempt. A bit like being married to one.

owen says:

2 different takes on this:

When in India I was constantly asked by Indian men if all Western women were nyphomaniacs as the only experience they had of western women were through porn videos and they believed this to be normal behaviour of western women.

As for Thai women getting constantly harassed by in the West, a friend of mine had a UK-born Thai girlfriend who worked in a Thai restaurant in Newcastle. It frequently happened that blokes would come from the Bigg Market (a well known party area) to eat, with the usual smart arsed comments. Smiling politely, the girls would take the order and then make sure the blokes got dish water to drink as payback.

Andy says:

Given the dross that inhabits London, or any large European capital these days, its no surprise that some greasy spiv type would offer to trade a bag of drugs for your g/f.
However, Thailand deserves its global sleazy rep mostly because of its own hypocrisy and denial that its prostitution problem even exists! On the one hand you have the moral-middle-class brigade led by their hero Purachai, and his crusade to censor the Internet (seems to be working too!), and decry anything immoral as "un-Thai". Then you have a reknowned pimp and brothel-keep running for the Bangkok Governorship....

hehe. I love this place.

Patrick says:

sadly though, Thailand doesn't help itself in the international stage at all.

Nunu says:

Right on dude..Thailand does have a terrible reputation internationally and deservedly so.

I have female friends from London who will never come to Thailand and I'd have to go to Singapore or Hong Kong if I wanna meet up.

One friend who did manage to lower her morals and brave the trip - a british born chinese whose grandparents were from Hong Kong - has sworn never to come back. She was incredibly well received by the thais, the women in particular as she was very pretty and has pale skin, but the way she was stared at by the letches that you come across...it was sickening. I love the fact that there's very little violence compared to London, but I was very tempted on too many occasions. Who the hell wants to be looked upon as a bargirl other than a bargirl, eh?

We haven't really spoken much since and I know that our friendship will never be the same. It's a beautiful country with lovely people..I've just got to be careful with who I invite over in future.

THE TRUTH says:

I cannot beleive the amount of people who lie on this web-site. People say that when they go to england everyone stares and people offer money for there thai girl and it is so annnoying becuase your thai girl is not actually a bar girl ! WHAT A LOAD OF ****. Look if people look at your girl then they know about thailand and if they know about thailand they know what a bar girl looks like and acts like ! so if your thai girl is really not a hoe than why are people asking you ? my wife who is thai is not a hoe and guess what no one asks me or gives her any hassle at all. Maybe it is becuase my wife is white even though she is from the north east ! i dunno ! but i cannot beleive that even if your girl is a hoe and everyone knows people come and ask you how much ? if someone said that they would be in my trunk lying next to a spade, duck tape, a bag of lime and an electric carving knife !

Kitten says:

The phenomena of alright-looking women getting propositioned all the time in the real world is not exclusive to Thai women, believe me! And face it, in the cities most sex workers are of Asian background. You do the math.

I'm sure the Thai air postergirl will be thrilled to be featured in this article!

BigUnit says:

Nunu wrote "She was incredibly well received by the thais, the women in particular as she was very pretty and has pale skin, but the way she was stared at by the letches that you come across...it was sickening."

They probably thought she was a movie star. I am half asian and can be fairly pale from lack of sun in farang land. I can remember on one of my first trips to Thailand walking into the food area in a Bangkok mall, I literally had at least 50 pairs of eyes on me...I am quite confident and found it absolutely hilarious although I can see how it could be a completely unnerving experience for her.

Jack says:

THE TRUTH's comment is typical of the "my girl's different to the others" mentality so common among some farangs who continually try to justify their relationship with Thais to others and themselves.

Jaques says:

If she has dark skin people (farangs and thais) will assume she's a whore, even if she's not, and if she has white skin, the contrary applies. Also, if she has dark skin, she will generally be considered more attractive and "exotic" in a western country, and is therefore more likely to be propositioned than if she looks like your average milky-white plain-as-dish-water chinese girl, of which there an abundance of in the West already (or farangland as some people like to call it). So, THE TRUTH, that's probably why your girlfriend didn't get propositioned. White skin = chinese = dull.

Duncan says:

My girlfriend is from the north-east of Thailand. She has dark skin. She is beautiful. BUT she is not a hooker, and despises people making accusations which puts a strain on our relationship. For god's sake - you can buy nice clothes, walk like a lady and live in Bangkok without being on the game. I know loads of girls who stay away from that business. I guess I'm saying to you all - if you have your suspicions about the other half - don't jump the gun. Thai women DO work in factories, massage parlours, banks, and even many bars - not hookering themselves out to every farang piece of scum on the street. Take a step back.

Steve says:

The UK media must share the blame for this attitude. The BBC, ITV, C4 are just as guilty as the gutter press. There is a simple reason for Thailand bashing in the UK media. Empire!

Example, I have never seen a BBC programme about underage prostitutes in India, or child slaves in Pakistan etc etc. There are large Indian etc communities so in the name of PC the truth about a huge amount of global injustices will never be aired.

Firstly though it IS the Thais who have made their country the world's whorehouse. Unfortunately those who perpetuate and indeed profiteer from this situation are not the ones who have the both sleazy and racist remarks directed at them, or their families.

I fully expect my Thai girlfriend to be the victim of thoroughly nasty comments, stares etc when she visits next month. She knows the crap that I put up with in Thailand--meter broken, you run red light, you speeding, dual pricing, etc etc. Therefore she undeservedly expects flak in UK. It may not happen--I hope. Even if she were an ex-bg and the cheapest slapper on Cowboy she would still not deserve it.

A look at prejudical attitudes in the UK over recent years will see a shift away from the crap directed at Blacks and Indians. Lots of black footballers now, guys who win championships. Same in the popular music arena. The CHAVS have to hate someone! It now looks like the Poles, who work for minimum wage are the niggers of the 21st century. My opinion, they are(not)taking jobs from lazy assholes who never wanted to work anyway!

Rest assured that any asshole critical of a Thai gf etc is really an insecure moron. He will also be boiling with jealousy as his wife/gf has an IQ that equals her weight in stone = 22.

daniel says:

thailand is its own worst enemy but the media do create a bigger problem here in england.
while studying media at university i met many thai girls from bangkok.
it seems however if you have darker skin and especially from thailand you will be typecast as a sex worker, even the girls from bangkok who are studying do that here in the uk their opinions follow them over here. i was even asked if i went with some bar-girls while on holiday here during a gap-year by my thai friends.
so if this is the sort of stigma attached to the darker thai women here in the uk, i will never bring my girlfriend here apart from the fact that she is educated also, its seem that first appearances are enough for many people, but as i said earlier althought the media is responsible for some of this, again ignorance seems to be the main problem.
one example is a friend of mine who recently went back to the uk because his girlfriend was pregnant, he wanted to earn better money a start over but after 1 month his family and friends and made him return to bangkok. even their beliefs about thailand were tainted.
unfortuanatly another example which creates ignorance is 50 year old men coming back to the uk with thier 21 year old thai brides.

in other words the ignorance has evolved on both side of the fence.
what can we do, NOTHING its too late.
i for one wont be bringing my dark skinned girlfriend to the uk anytime soon.

i have to say even i still laugh when i watch little britain and look at Ting Tong and her husband, that is so close to the mark its scary........has anyone seen the one when her mother comes over to stay...."oh she's just staying a few years" {sound familiar guys........!}

isaan girl says:

Thanks Buddha I’m living in a capital city of America.

I am an isaan girl who has dark skin…hehehe…frequent tanning.

I worked at a bar in Foggy Bottom as a waitress supporting myself for school a while back. I had been asked on a date, but people had never been rude or mistaken me for a prostitute.

Why do I only heard bad things about Thailand through media but never encounter one in my life? People whom I have met and have been to Thailand only said good thing about Thailand. I guessed those people have never been to Northern Pattaya, Patpong, or Soi Cowboy.

I have mostly traveled alone through Switzerland, Belgium, France, Italy and Germany and found people are very nice and respectful…okay except one Italian who thought he was so charming who tried to smooch me. Otherwise I have been asked for phone numbers and e-mail address.

I just came back from visiting my family in Thailand and noticed that a lot of retired white men marry Thai women living in small villages. If I were white men, I would do the same thing. Why would anyone want to retired in a very stressful western culture?

One thing I learn about living in America, white women are very bitchy and nasty to men especially at bars. They will not say no politely to guys whom they are not interested. I don’t get it. You are going to bars to be seen, and yet you brushing guys off impolitely. You told each other that you come to bars just to hang out with friends. Yeah, right. Why you girls don’t hangs out with friends at home?????? By the way if I were a white girl, I would be pissed at Asian women. They took all the available white and black men from you.

Isaan girl

daniel says:

isaan girl........{UP 2 YOU!}

Jakob says:

Sam Bai dee baa!

I, a native Dane, am now living in BKK, TH and my GF is a fantastic Thai (Isaan) girl who is a school teacher and private entrepreneur. I asked her if she was offended by the fact that she inevitably would be looked upon as a prostitute being with me, and to my surprise she told me that she couldn’t care less! She told me that prostitution might be a stigma for some but in general most Thais look at it as a way of life here.

Many girls will work as “hired girlfriends” through their time of education to support a living for themselves and their families. This is the reason for all the bars surrounding many of the universities in TH! And another thing that dumbfounded me was that the vast majority of prostitution in TH is NOT for the farangs; it’s for the local men! So the question is not if TH should do something about “old white men” coming here for sex; but if they have the will to do something about a very old (and demeaning) tradition amongst themselves!

Many bar girls do actually prefer older farangs simply because these men in general treat them much better than many Asian men! (Sorry my Asian fellows, but this is not MY opinion, I am simply conveying this information)

So all in all there is a good reason for lesser enlightened people to “brand” Thai and other Asian women together with older white men as prostitutes as the chance of this being the truth is much more evident! And to be honest; most Western men and women doing this “branding” is either envious or jealous. Simple as that!

And that leaves me with only one thing to say:

Boys & Girls! Don’t think about it and just show people that you don’t care!

From a Dane, who is very proud of his wonderful Thai GF!

Dr.Bob Rix says:

What could be worse..? Let me tell you. My wife emanates from Doncaster in the UK. Her father went into competition with Harry Ramsden so those of the secret-brotherhood will know what business he was in and that the term Chinky refes to the establishment and not derogatorily to the habitants (as an aside she left home 20 years ago so the aroma is fading). By now you will have established that she was an odd one out in Doncaster by her less-than Western appearance, but she was schooled there from three years old prior to hitting Nottingham Uni QMC at 19. I digress; what could be worse…? Well, we moved to the Philippines ten years ago and things where somewhat ok-ish there and Oriental women with Western men do get very more serious respect in the PI that elsewhere in Asia. But then when I got posted to Thailand and we selected Pattaya as it was closest ok town closest to the International school… but boy did she get some stick… but she could knock the meatheads off their bikes with a broad Yorkshire phrase like “Fuck-off you dozy twat..”. Yes, deep down it did bug her to the point of hurting so I can heartily feel for the Asian girls who don’t want to go in the opposite direction to the UK etc but let me say whatever wives or gf’s confront in the west is nothing compared to the abuse of Sino-English women arriving in Pattaya.

Boris says:

If only white woman would lift their game. Isaan girl is soooo right.

gik says:

sorry but bkk is full of very very easy women and i hqve lived here a while.............oh and i'm ugly, but make em larf ..............

evgo7311 says:

Geez, people, from most of your comments, it must be hard for Thai people to integrate within UK society... Don't know why so many Thais decide to move there and why so many girls looking for a relationship out there on the Net place in their profile "UK/US man only, please" (OK, maybe because it's easier to learn English than another language, but besides that?). I married a southern Thai girl (her family lives 60km from Nakhorn Si Thammarat) who used to be a lawyer in BKK, we now live in Belgium for a bit less than three years and, apart from learning French (awfully difficult for any Asian individual), she never had to deal with unwanted stares, sinful proposals or hateful looks from other women (except that my sister's jealous of her complexion and hair colour but that's something else). Just a few wannabe Casanova's who asked for her number, who she promptly dispatched by flashing them her wedding ring. The most difficult for her is the climate, the food and being far from her family (the toughest, for those who know how tight thai families are), but certainly not the ever-present assumption that, at any time in her life, she might have been a "lady of the night"... I certainly don't complain, anyway ;o).

philH says:

evgo7311, your lady is lucky she married a Belgian. I can not speak for the US but I will offer some insights into the current UK mindset.

The average UK citizen in what, for most living creatures, would be classed their mind reduce all things to the lowest common denominator. Either they have been to Thailand on a holiday wholly spent whoring (nothing wrong with that if that is your pleasure), or, all they know about the place is what they read in the sensationalist press. Therefore if they see a man with an attractive Asian woman she's a whore, no question, no doubt, no alternative.

What can you say about a country where 'class' TV is a bunch of mental retards including a couple of sexual deviants are shacked up together in a house for a month or so. Then the antics of these mutants are transposed into banner headlines and front page articles in Britain's popular press.

That is why anybody with brains or class is doing their utmost to get out of the country as soon as they can.

Trink says:

I dont think it is as bad in the States as it is in Europe. Europeans come to Thailand more than Americans, and prostitution is bigger in Europe than it is in America, so the correlation is lower. Most American males have not paid directly for sex from a prostitute. Prostitutes have a very heavy connotation of being horrific/crackwhore/AIDS and not being 22 years old and Asian.

Also, it has to be said that alot of European men tend to be much more macho/egoist than American men.

MrClis says:

It's a very hurtful and all too common thing.
My GF, a small, sexy, stunningly beautiful Thai teacher has spent most of the last year with me in small-town UK. We have been subjected to the crudest of insults from the narrow-minded arseholes who inhabit my locale from 'how much was she then?' shouted out to us as we waited for a bus to 'what did she cost' from a smartly dresssed young chap in our local Tesco's.
The stuff in the pubs is much worse.
'Is she one of them Thai Brides?'
'No, she's from Liverpool' normally shuts them up.
It was also confided to me at the pub that all the guys at my local considered her a prostitute.
Blokes thought nothing of giving her a slip of paper with their telephone number on when my attention was elsewhere or sitting down with us at the bar and telling her about their whoring exploits in Thailand ('Stupid Man', as she calls you, from the Weatherspoons Pub, she really thinks you are a twat. She's gonna thump you one of these days!) but the greatest insults were the sins of ommission where well-meaning neighbours would say:
'Well, at least you seem to treat her well' or 'It must be so nice for her to be safe'
Fuck me, she's a middle-class girl whose Dad is a boxing promotor(trust me, I call him Sir), whose sisters are all teachers and whose deceased brother was a Vet.
We get the Little Britain thing too.
Ok, now I will say she is a sexy little girl who likes sexy clothes which I, for one, am grateful for, but the last thing she is is a hooker: Christ it took me three years to get her into bed!
What it means to her is that she has to constantly tell people her job and education level in an attempt to break their stereotyped view of her.
I'm sure they don't believe her.
One story which made me laugh however:
She has a physical defect on one of her feet caused by an accident with a pushbike when she was a very young child of which she is quite shy.
It was noticed by a friend who I then heard telling a co-worker that he knew she was a prostitute as he had seen the mark the brothel had put on her to stop her running away.
Did anyone say 'Mandingo'?
Wankers.

TANAI KWAI says:

"It's a very hurtful and all too common thing... It was also confided to me at the pub that all the guys at my local considered her a prostitute."

http://www.aagw.org/WhoWeAre/Statement.html

A lot of people are in a lot of pain because they regard prostitutes as the scourge of society.

Pants Elk says:

MrClis, your comment is an absolutely heartbreaking insight into what makes "Great" Britain such a Fucking Shit-hole of Ignorance. And why I left, about a dozen years ago, and why I will never, ever, go back.
Two things: it's appalling that the common reaction to your wife is "she's a whore". And it's equally appalling that the implication is that whores are, by definition, bad and inferior people; not even "people".
"A lot of people are in a lot of pain because they regard prostitutes as the scourge of society."
This pain is not interiorised, not felt as pain, but expressed as judgemental anger and self-righteousness, as sheer hatred.
I've had those poisonous glares myself, in Bangkok, from white women, when they see me with a "prostitute" on my arm. The naked loathing in their eyes is like a glimpse of hell for me. And, a glimpse into Little Britain.
I live in Paris, but my heart is in Bangkok. Coming back is like freedom for me. Maybe illusory, but what is so "real" about the whispers in an English pub? Or the chic neuroses of a fashion-struck BCBG Parisienne?
MrClis, I wish you and you wife all the courage in the world, but I can't help but think you'd be better off back in Thailand, which, for all its faults, isn't Little Britain.
Any regrets that I might have felt at discovering this overwhelmingly fantastic country so late in life are more than counterbalanced by the gratitude I feel at having discovered it at all.

Jack Wow says:

Pants Elk wrote:
"Great" Britain such a Fucking Shit-hole of Ignorance. And why I left, about a dozen years ago, and why I will never, ever, go back.

Well, lucky you, Pants. Some of us have to return (end of this week, in fact, xmas family commitments and all that).

I would never take a lady back there, ever. just couldn't put her through it.

Here's just a few of the stupid remarks I had to listen to last time:

"So how many ladyboys have you shagged out there?"

"Is it really as dirty as it looks on the TV."

And my favourite:

"But don't you ever miss England?"

Errr... nope.

Please spare a thought for me over the forthcoming festive period.

Common Sense says:

As much as you may hate the idea, if you want to go someplace western with your Thai girl try America. Not nearly as much media attention is given to what goes on in Thailand and few in any metropolitan area would even conjure up the thought unless they had made several trips to Thailand themselves. One of the advantages of being an immigrant country I guess, just stay away from any redneck areas with her and your likely to never hear anything said of the situation.

Pants Elk says:

Jack, going back for Christmas isn't so tough, is it? If you're lucky enough to live in Thailand, just the thought of that return ticket in your pocket will keep you warm. It's the prospect of an imminent Big Month in the Big Mango that's giving me strength to see me through the Season of Good Cheer here in a terminally irritable, grey, rainy, sour-faced Paris.
But anybody who's familiar with the "Great British Christmas" will surely sympathise with you. Currys. Dixons. Noel Edmonds. I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day-hay-hay-hay ...

Looper says:

Your asian girly won't stick out much in Oz either. Quite a steady stream of eastern honeys pass through for western tertiary education which is a virtual industry here. During their stay some of them keep an eye out for a permanent residency ticket in trousers. Others just enjoy a break from the watchful eye of their conservative cultures back home, so mixed couples are not an uncommon sight.

TANAI KWAI says:

Common Sense,

Your idea is a sound and well-expressed. Unfortunately, it is an impossibility for all but an extremely small handful of guys under current (and likely future) U.S. visa constraints.

Unless she's a hi-so gal you may have to marry her (not advised) or get a one-time fiancée visa (if you're an American) to travel to the home of the brave.

TK

Andy says:

Hmm,... Guess which dildo has gone and gotten his beloved a visa and plane ticket to accompany him on his annual Christmas sojourn to the UK then? :-(

Can't wait.... It seemed like a good idea at the time.

Jack Wow says:

Yes, you're right, Pants, it's not really that tough. I'm just the eternal scrooge. I would rather hear the sound of baulballs crunching under my feet than I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day-hay-hay-hay.

Currys, Dixons. Not this year, sir. They'll all be getting Bangkok's finest fake Lacoste shirts, pirate DVDs and cheap perfumes.

Pants Elk says:

NEWS OF DAVID.
This doesn't belong in this thread, but it doesn't belong anywhere else, either. So -

We all know that David is "on holiday". It has long been an open secret amongst David's close family and friends that his trans-gender issues have reached a crucial point. In a private email, David asks for our understanding and support during this difficult time:

"Dear Pants (he writes): Thank you for the flowers. They look simply gorgeous! The doctors here at (private Singapore clinic details edited out- Pants) have been such darlings! The bandages come off in a couple of days, but I already feel like a new woman! Your suggestion of using an actual mouse's ear - and indeed supplying one yourself - was a bold and innovative initiative that inspired my surgeon's most brilliant and groundbreaking work, soon to be featured in a Lancet photo-feature. The organ - pink and perfectly formed - now nestles happily between my svelte and comely thighs, moistly anticipating a consignment of Pants Elk Trouser Meat! And my breasts!!! How they strain against the bandages like twin pistons, nipples like boxer's thumbs! How I yearn for your (this section edited out - Pants)

(Actually quite a bit edited out here - ooooffff.)

Please do send my love to the regular Mango Saucers, and reassure them that my Elective Gender Reassignment Surgery will in no way compromise the tone or content of the Mango Sauce blog; except that I will henceforth go by the name of "Davina".

As ever, Pants, I (edited out) -
Davina"

I think I speak for us all in offering "Davina" both congratulations for her courageous decision to "go all the way" and moral support for the period of acclimatisation which lies ahead.

If the first post-op photographs are anything to go by, anyone wanting to give her one up the newly-paved Pink Parkway are going to have to get in line behind me!

P. Elk

-----------

Hi Pants

You've gone too far this time.

Regards
Tiffany St. Moritz

seesaw says:

I was quite suprised to see 2 Thai girlies when I returned to my small town England a few months ago. Even more suprised to hear 1 of their husbands telling a mate of mine that his wife had never been in a bar in Thailand in her life. I had met her in Nana earlier this year, she was working in the Voodoo.
So what is worse, a girlie accused of being a hooker or some dumb ass 55 year old bloke claiming his 21 year old wife has never been on the game?

Dicer says:

Re Mr Clis' predicament ...one can say that as you step out of London Britain's is as racist a society any Europe can provide. The Saxon barbs cant wipe all the sticky ramifications of the Raj and Africa that fast now can they? They can pretend its not there, but it is.

Hordes of London cabbies and outhouse architects dip in and out of Pattaya and tell mates and punters of the dreamland. Suddenly when you show up in some awful Saxon hamlet with a rice tart (or worse a bkk chin snit) of course they'll ask if they can finger her for a bag of chips or could she preety please be a sport and do the ping pong on the pool table. This stereotype is borne out of the nonstop satire. With the current dearth of passable Saxon tarts and the several sitcom characters like Miss Pattaya and Miss Ting Tong entering mainstream Brit consciousness every chav down the pub will eye up your rice tart and may ask for a trick. Most of the questions are based on reality albiet by people who don't understand variation. All Thais are hookers, All Ethiopians starve. All Nigerians are conmen. All Arabs are swines and so on and so forth. I have to say though, I'm amazed they can tell them apart from other SE Asian people in the first place. After 9/11 they beat up Sikhs in Texas thinking they were Arabs... so it could always get worse. Or perhaps chavs are more discerning than gulpers?

Also the satire may be getting just a tad loud. We cant do without it though can we? Well mangosauce has to do as there is plenty of satirical impulse. A bit of 'inventing the wheel': What are we satirising. There are 500,000 village tarts in this land. And 50,000 foreigners chasing a tenth of them. And an influx of 10 million tourists a year, say a quarter of which dabble in the good ole in out. And a totally mindless hive mentality to the whole place. So we give the audience little clues as to what village tarts are. And about the foreign Waldos. Then we make the joke or lookout for case studies for all those Absurdity students in Romania. After all this place is always ripe for a piss take.

One would like to extend sympathy, but the complainers however are limited, having been sent off the deep end, in the end, by believing in this: that they and others like them are the centre of this warped world that eventually passed them by. The irony is that they come to Thailand and affect to be Jack London, feisty as they rock the boat when leaving home and heroically surveying the sinking ship that they've left behind. How about the impacts eh? In reality what most of these men do and say illuminates much of life except themselves. On one hand the same people complain that the place is overrun by marauding Albanians and Kurds while in the same breath announcing that their little tarts are suffering prejudices. hmmmm.

Mutantland is a bit like living in Flaubert’s imagination: A place warped in the century before Christ’s birth, a period when the old gods were gone, the new ones had not yet arrived, and man was alone and could screw all he wanted without the God-botherers and their integrity stuff annoying him no end. Not quite neolithic, but hydraulic. And when you take the hydraulic action with you back to 2006 don't be alarmed by the strange behaviour of the lumpen Saxons at home.

Besides, the dark snarling mutant tart's brain seen in its unfettered rawness only makes the beer lout chav's irredeemable psychosis seem more fine. A bit like the stories deranged white boys exchange about the criminality of black boys. In comparison it gives them that momentary sense of normality that in actual fact evaporates once it's exposed exactly for what it is: just another twisted racist viewpoint.

As is evinced here most people can only write again and again, about those things that highlighted the peculiarities of their difference from the locals while at the same time trying to establish the gap between themselves and the people back home. Yes yes I'm Jack London too in my dream, but the question is do any of us escape whatever closed community we grow up in? Alienated we can. And dance to the tune of this absurd cosmic comedy, a kind of reinvented existentialism, will your own thing, concoct a reality, create a novel marriage, hell, even go up the hill and buy yourself a prepackaged tribe. The next meltdown will probably be a website selling a village complete with costumed clans, a language, dodgy religion, smelly cuisine and pack animals. Just in case, I googled ''buy a tribe,'' but couldn't find the right sort.....almost there though.

We're assured, with no malice aforethought that an uncontrollable abundance of moronic if not satiric inferno will open up our brains in this land of moody hybrids. The resounding theme - uxorious metaphors like Mr Clis' aside - is: Every prototypic tart makes one unaccustomed to differentiating races and people think that she has used up the world, with nothing left over her totemic cunt for the rest of us. One looks at her face after two pints in a cold dreary pub and sees READY FOR A SHAG skidded across like a motorbike accident. And one can't stand on other matters she, alas, never seems to know how to express. So your lumpen Saxon takes a look again. She does not open the world up, but closes it. Yes the hooker in the pub is all aglow he thinks, refractive on the outside, but full of half an hours worth of promise on the inside. Let's just come out and say it: She's a hooker and as mentally arousing as a dead mouse in a loaf of bread, but he'd shag her anyway because Marge here is 300lbs and terrible. But how do you know she's a hooker? Because she comes from a land where they're always ripe for action. No other reasoning is required. The guy next to her (you) must then be the enterprising hubby.

I always remember the aphorstic tale of the German amputee who can all too easily hump 90 schoolgirls in a nondescript Issan province and think: can you reeeealy blame anyone here... Pray tell, who is a hooker and who isn't?

Of course, when all else fails belittling unthinking characters with feverish abandon becomes the writer's reflex, a jibe that can be, like here more reasonably nasty by tearing apart the imposed tolerance. Why not? We are in a state of flux where prejudices and obsessions come out in the open. Surrounded by characters, both local and foreign, who are so wild and wooly, so full of fun and contradiction they eventually revert to type as food for derision and disdain. The Netchanoks and Narin Taylor's, the Galts and other maladjusted mutants and misfits like Chris and countless gerbils not to mention the missionary tossers who need only grow a real self.

As for Mr Clis I'd say get used to it; just as the absurd colours of LOS are dripping fast off the comic book the Saxon world has equally never been more horrible than it is now... like a dog show gone wrong. As Borat would say, a canine show is like a beauty contest, but with nasty fat women and dogs. So you can imagine what a "dog show gone wrong" can be. Throw in unruly spaniels and bulldogs in heat. While the fat slags growl the dogs nip.

Common Sense says:

Tanai Kwai,
I will admit to being ignorant of visa restrictions for Thai's coming to America; all I know of the subject is what I've read on this site. Although, since Mr. Clis is already married and his wife "seems" to be hi-so from his description it would be less of a hassle for him.

While on the subject of bar girls going to America, this reminds me of a tart I met on my last trip in LOS down in Pattaya. She was a beautiful 19yo BG from some shitty village near Cambodia. While shooting the shit one day she asked which part of America I was from, and when I said near Chicago she replied that she had been there. Knowing what little I do of the difficulty for Thai BG's to get visas I immediately raised the bullshit flag. It just didn't seem probable that a 19yo whore managed to get through the visa process for a trip there. She swore up and down it was true and this topic eventually turned into a bet. She went home for a brief time and returned with her passport and photos proving she had in fact been to Chicago as well as Finland and France. Quite an accomplished world traveler I would say for such a young girl in the business, but I guess if there’s a will there’s a way. I naturally lost the bet we had made and was obligated to eat her damn pussy, which I would normally never do on a whore.

I later found out she was also clearing nearly $6,000 US a month from about 6 guys she had sending her money from Europe and the U.S. I again tried to raise the bullshit flag until she suggested another bet and offered to go home and get the bank statements. Not wanting to give a whore a rim job, I naturally declined this bet.

Japanese wife says:

To commom sense, there are no such a girl like that in Thailand. You just make it up!

I got marriged with Japanese who I had met at Univ in Aus.

I am traveling many countries since I was Univ student. I know it is not easy for every Thais women to go overseas. But I'd know many Thais can afford to study in U.S, Eng and Aus. I'd paid $1300 per subject and I have to completed 24 subject for B.A.

Here in Tokyo even worst than England. Japanese always give me a dirty look all the time if I told them I come from Thailand. Many mother in law treat Thais wives like a dirt. Even those Jap mother in law never been to college or some of them used to work at bar served G.I during WWW2.

When I was study at Japanese languge school. A Jap guy who have been to Pattaya ask me to have sex with him. I was so shocked. I got mad and nearly punch him on the face. So I ask my chinese friends to kick his ass.

Many Japanese girl working in the bar and many of them making porn movie for luxury brand name bag. Some of them under age too. They just want to be famous like many talent on T.V who have been porn star.

I really don't why they can not see thier own problem?

TANAI KWAI says:

Common Sense:

You don't strike me as a terribly generous lover.

Common Sense says:

Jap wife,
Believe it or not it happened. Don't ask me how because I didn't believe it either, hence me losing the bet. You give me far to much credit for being imaginative.

TK
With BG's, generous I am not. After several bouts of STD's (all from American "good" girls though) who can blame me. I don't mind lickin a twat, giving a rim job, or even eating bloody pussy for that matter, I just prefer not to do it with a woman who uses her money maker professionally. Catch me on a good drunken night though, and I have been known to eat the banana, smoke the cigarette, and drink the coke. Luckily I haven't ran into any thing that good ole modern medicine can't take care of yet. (knock on wood)

Jack Wow says:

"eat the banana, smoke the cigarette, and drink the coke."

I haven't heard of these sayings before.
Are they American slang terms for sucking cock???

Pants Elk says:

Don't taunt "Common Sense," Jack, or he'll unleash his secret FUCK OFF weapon in your direction.

(In answer to your question: yes)

Common Sense says:

Jack Wow,
Good one. I walked right into it. On the off chance you really don't know what I'm talking about check out the article Patpong Ping Pong Pussy Show.

Pants Elk,
With your stalker like tendancy to follow posters around making an ass of yourself as you have done with me, TK, and even David, I feel you would be in better company on John Galt/Keith Summers site. You have many obsessions in common. Now quit trying to piggy back on someone else's well played joke and FUCK OFF to notstickman.com where where the humorless cunts like you belong. He is in need of a business partner.

Dicer says:

Waldo finds a mate and he goes to the hospital to collect and finds that the girl is brain dead, but is available as a mail bride. Ok, dead? Kaaa. Ok Can screw good? Kaaa. Ok I takeee. I still sit here wondering why Waldo who sold his gas station in Idaho thinks he can match up with a mentally challenged hamlet girl who is in a PIA time zome..post ice age. She can barely count her toes without drooling and he thinks she should have access to his ATM. Of Course he won't get it any more than the tart is drooling until they just chase him out of the place...geeez. same old same old and i thought, guys coming here for romance are like rabbits going to a bbq wearing asbestos. Rabbit goes to bbq feeling pretty secure until the Thai chef announces that the rabbit has to die..oh, come on, says the rabbit, come on...Just take off the asbestos..get into the aluminum and then you sit in special sauna room called the Oven...rabbit says OkieDokie .... tiny mean elfin hamlet girls tiptoe out of their timewarp to find that gas station man and push him around...time for a film.

MrClis says:

Earlier in this thread Common Sense commented, and I quote:

"Although, since Mr. Clis is already married and his wife "seems" to be hi-so from his description it would be less of a hassle for him."

Naa, not married yet although I think it's probably time we did the deed....maybe this year.
She's not hi-so,by the way.Just a normal middle-class girl from a normal middle-class family.
Mum is, unfortunately, one of those Imelda-Marcos-types of white-skinned Chinese-Thai whilst Dad is a little brown Issarn man.
All the kids take after the father, thank God.
Can't say I'd fancy doing the American thing, though (and youthful indiscretions would probably count against me if I did)so we are still weighing up whether it will be Thailand or the UK as a place to settle.
I'm for Thailand, for here, at least, I can afford my major hobbies of smoking, eating and drinking excessively plus, most days, nobody calls your gal a prostitute to her face.
Even if they are all thinking it.