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June 20 2004

Living with a Thai hooker

Living with a Thai hooker

The manager of a well-known Bangkok go-go bar struck up a relationship with one of his girls. She carried on dancing but no one was allowed to barfine her. When he returned from a two-week trip to Farangland, however, the books revealed that she'd been with other guys every single night. Naturally, he felt unhappy about this and asked her to stop work altogether. She did for a while but, later, had to start again out of necessity. They're still together but, to spare his blushes, she now works in a different go-go bar.

Not every Thai hooker has a heart of stone and, sometimes, true love blossoms in a dreary hotel room over a heap of used condoms. If her farang lover earns good money, then their relationship might prosper. However, if he's in low-paid employment such as bar work or English teaching, then the new couple are often faced with a painful dilemma.

Her sister's son still has leukaemia, her father still needs his whisky and hookers and her mother's boyfriend still has his gambling debts. Cutting the money supply would create serious problems for all of them - and they wouldn't hesitate to inflict emotional blackmail.

Should our weary Thai hooker settle down with her low-paid farang boyfriend or should she carry on selling her body to support her family? Should she choose personal happiness or family responsibility? Unsurprisingly, she usually chooses both - with or without her partner's approval.

Love-sick fools often confront their girl with an angry ultimatum. They rationalise their actions by labelling her nearest and dearest as a bunch of wastrels and malingerers. Perhaps some of them are - but our indignant guy should consider that the kind of woman who cheerfully abandons her own family is unlikely to give him any lasting loyalty.

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Ultimatums are pointless anyway. Even if his girl did agree under duress to give up "work," her ongoing need for big money would wreck their relationship. She'll continue to see old customers behind his back, sell the TV while he's on a visa run or dip into his wallet while he's in the shower - plus a million other variations.

Meanwhile, our love-sick fool will break into her email account, scrutinise her call records and buy a movement-detecting webcam in his ongoing struggle to catch her out. He'll succeed, of course, but this will merely provoke conflict followed by more hollow promises and another cycle of deceit.

The other option is to go with the grain and allow her to carry on selling her body. It's a surprising common situation. Though neither pimp nor ponce, our cash-strapped farang finds himself living with a working hooker (See She Comes Home to Me). She might tell him that she takes drinks but doesn't go with customers - but her boyfriend would be unwise to question this face-saving deception too closely. Often, though, she's completely honest about her intensions.

The phenomenon is so common that rules of etiquette have evolved to cope. It's perfectly permissible to congratulate your mate on his girlfriend's marvellous breasts or her skill at opening a bottle of soda with her twat. Whether or not you can have a grope depends on the situation and the amount of alcohol consumed but to shag her is definitely crossing the line - though, regrettably, it happens fairly often.

[Posted to Relationships by David]

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Readers' comments

Mike says:

Interesting...

But why to go for a relationship with a hooker when you can't cope with it in a first place?

There are also "good girls" in Thailand. The only disadvantage is that you can't shag them the first day. Probably not even the first months! And worse, you're commited to a long-term relationship.

"If her farang lover earns good money, then their relationship might prosper."

Look at it from the girl's point of view, what do you expect from somebody who's fucking around for money... Faithfullness?

I think it's a near-impossible relationship. May I say, they are good fun, but not for life?

Mike

Greg says:

I'm not sure what Thailand you live in, but the one I live in the non-bargirls are definitely as quickly shagable as in the west. Anywhere from the 1st to the 5th date is perfectly normal. Unless of course by "good girl" you mean very conservative girl. I haven't met any very conservative Thai girls. I suppose they might exist, but I am told that they are a dying minority. Most Thai teenagers are not virgins, and most twenty somethings aren't either.

Mike says:

"Most Thai teenagers are not virgins, and most twenty somethings aren't either."

Yes, right. Well, I must have gotten something very rare then, with wich I am very happy ;-))

David says:

I'm happy for you, Greg, but, by implying that farang guys never fall in love with hookers, I think that you're undermining your own credibility.

TANAI KWAI says:

David, I believe that was Mike's suggestion.

(...)

Mike says:

Yes, Tanai.

Well, David, I didn't say it never happened to me. If you read between the lines, it could even say somewhere that I know what I am talking about...

What I want to say is that you have to be aware that when you shag a bargirl, that you are actually shagging a bargirl, not the love of your life.

If you are aware of that, it's all good fun and no danger...I think?

David says:

Greg - Sorry, I thought you were addressing me (thanks for pointing out my mistake, Tanai Kwai).

Mike - Agreed. Bar girls are for recreational use only. I do hope that JDMAN comes to the same conclusion.

stu_$ says:

i agree with most of whats been said
everyone can be right some of the time
but just not all the time
but i have my own question,

if she is only staying with me for the money/lifestyle ,
and she doesn't mean it when she pants in my ear
"i lub u arway " or " i never buttafy "

does the fact that i partake of the occasional (weekly) soapy threesome make me worse than her ?

Mike says:

It makes you the same ;-))

Toby says:

Guys who fall i love with bar girls are the biggest fucking losers.
They're hookers! they fuck for moeny, they do the most depreaved sexual acts for money.
For $40-$50 your best friend can fuck the love of your life and cum on her face whenever he wants to.
I especially get a kick out of farangs who get mad at their bar girl girlfriends for doing their jobs.
suckers.

sean says:

Hi Guys,

Why does EVERY single post on MangoSauce revolve around either 1) how to shag a thai girl, 2) why is my thai girl shagging other guys, or 3) how do i make my thai girl not want to shag other guys?

Do none of you get it?

Spend some time and meet yourself a nice Thai ****lady***.

I met one. It can't be that hard. I met her on a website where you post YOUR photo, and they write you. You can tell bargirls, gold diggers, etc a mile way. Get your mother to write them.. see what their reaction is..

I went to Bangkok; mine came down, showed me the city, would not come to me when I went to Hua Hin (She said it was not approriate for Thai Lady to come alone with me).. but waited in bangkok until I returned. We went saw shrek 2 last day... had a wonderfull time. We write each other every couple of days.. and I am going back to LOS in October to visit her in her hometown. (She came to Bangkok and stayed with her girlfriend who goes to university)

Reading these posts just makes me vomit. All of you are idiots.

Women wherever you go are basically the same..

Thai women however know how to use their charm to get what they want.

Rent "The Legend of Suriyothai".


Sean

David says:

Sean

On behalf of Mango Sauce and all its readers, I award you a Golden Mango for the most naive comment ever submitted.

Well done.

Errant says:

'Spend some time and meet yourself a nice Thai ****lady***. '

Where do you find these ladies surrounded by an unbalanced number of asterisks?

I know where to find the ones surrounded by a number of unbalanced asses, but the above....

jdman says:

Wow David (and the rest). I get the point. Big time. BUT! These girls are for 'recreational use' only? Well some of these girls have a heart and feelings and dreams of abetter life. We all know they are sort of forced into their situations (all the horor stories). Are 'white knights' only reserved for good Thai girls who could do the same shit to us without the added experience of knowing what they are being rescued from? (I know I am hopeless and you all have been doing your job like Chinese water torture of wearing my hope and dreams down to thin crust that eventually I can pick off without bleeding).

I do love this site though. Gave up my oxycontin for this new addiction. Ciao.

Mike says:

1. Hilarious, a Golden Mango... David, that was nearly as funny as - Rent "The Legend of Suriyothai". Well, we're all idiots anyway.

2. JDman, forced into their situations?? I've never met a whole group of "workers" so passionately enjoying what they are "forced" into! They might have a heart and feelings, at least a few of them, but does that heart beat for you or the money, I'm not so sure...well, in fact, I am.

Mike says:

JDman,

You could always play the dangerous game of "Giving it a try"... They say though that you can take the girl out of the bar, but not the bar out of the girl.

"what they are being rescued from?" - That might be true in eastern Europe, but in a country where you could survive on a few Baht, it just can't be true. 80%, no, 95% of these girls actually love what they do, at least they love their lifestyle, and they are even proud of it. They feel like starlets.

I know enough of them not to talk bullshit here. Hope my gf doesn't know this site though... ;-)

Mike says:

Holy, holy:

http://www.mikeriemer.com/mango-jesus.jpg

TANAI KWAI says:

Pure genius, Mike!

(!!!)

Sean says:

Guys , seriously. Read some of these posts. Get some of your friends to read them.

Next time your out with your thai girl, in a movie theatre, in a cab.. look at & listen to the thais around you. That look isn't a look of curiosity, its a look of pity.

If any of you idiot +45 ers with the 19 year old girls are naive enough to think your going to settle down grow up.

Just for the record, I'm 29.. and I love thailand. Watching you all is half the fun...

TANAI KWAI says:

"They feel like starlets."

Seems most accurate for the Sheraton/Spasso stunner contingent. Less so for those who can't afford to be as choosey.

(...)

Sean says:

Just one more item... why don't we do an oprah special on these relationships... I wonder what dr. phil would say??

Mike says:

Thy Sean,

When I was your age, I got them easily too. Well, now that I am 32, nobody wants me anymore, and I have to spend my time posting messages here. Please have pity and just look away when you see us creepy creeps.

"Retreating in shame and dishonour (Check how to make a tit of yourself in a gogobar)",

Unworthy Mike

Gimpy1 says:

Mike,

Wow! Congratulations! I'm impressed. Tania calls what you write, and I use her words, "Pure Genius!"

To top it off the posting was only one sentence long, and she didn't sign off with a "winky"

Toby says:

This post is for sean. Shrek 2 just recently came out, which means you're not far along enough with your tilak.

do you not realize that even the normal girls (non bar girls and freelancers) have a tendency to fuck around too.
Don't blast people on this site about how good your life is, you sound just as dumb claiming you've got a good thai girl when you've been with her less than 6 months.
not to mention you live abroad.
The hen never cackles until all of her eggs have hatched.

BLACKCUNT says:

Well.... I guess they are all same and so are we.
I have a thai gf that i landed from chatting with in ICQ, I laid her on the 2nd date 4 days after talking with her for the first time , she works in a post grad school here anad she is a sex freak always shouting in my ears Im her only man and she knows that Iam happily married.
last week , I went into chat mode with a different personality just about to come to the kingdom for the first time and have got her to agree spending the fisrt weekend together at aresort in chonburi.
Again she still lives with her parents , on the street you could never imagine what she could do to you in private.She always insist on having my dick in her mouth while I drive with her around bangkok and her hand in my pants in the theatres .AND SHE IS NOT A BAR GIRL< senior admin in her department.
I got two more like her.Thai women they amaze me more than the country.

Cynic says:

Sean: You get your mum to write emails to Thai girls you've met on the internet?

Holy Shit! Move over Bryan Ferry, cool has just been re-defined!

Cynic says:

Blackcunt

Are you really black? Do you find nowadays that Thai women are overcoming their old views on skin colour?

Anonymous says:

Thailand is a modernizing society with a lot of kinks to work out. Where there's poverty there is dysfunction.
And nothing can be more dysfunctional than the typical Thai bar girl and her family.

I think a lot of the problems are just lonely guys who fall for a BG on a short vacation or business trip, that or, those select few who are actively seeking out a BG to turn in to a house wife.

But generally I think the above mentioned type of individuals tend to fall in a certain demogrpaphic and that's 'loser'

So what makes me so high and mighty that I can look down on the 'losers'? Nothing, I'm insecure, that's why I have to point out other people's faults

For what ever reason an alarming amount of people are actually seriously considering wedding their favorite pros, and many of them go through with it.

yeah, she's not your girlfriend, she's your favorite whore.
I don't care what you believe or what fantasy you're living in. Because to her, you're just another Dick, Tom, and Harry passing through, literally.

I'll hand it to a few guys who tamed their BGs, but for the rest of you suckers, keep telling yourself she loves you, while I take her up to my hotel and bang the hell out of her. And if she gives good head maybe I'll tip her. I'm sure she'll be thinking of you.

BLACKCUNT says:

CYNIC,

Yeah, you guessed right Iam black. When I was new here it was a minus but right now its a plus point.
They are scared about my skin colour but when they meet me cant wait to experience the black revolution.
How to score these hi-so girls is to talk about anything they do nt know , from geograpjy to medicine and anything else that they dont have a clue of.
Very important too, Im not bad looking , cynic , you wont be comfortable leaving me in your condo with your gf while doing a visa run to cambodia.
They say I just smell like sex.
having lots of credit cards that work is also race barrier breaker.

Cynic says:

Blackcunt:

Thanks.

1. I've never been to Cambodia
2. I'm as pretty as a girl
3. Of course you smell like sex - you're a fucking pussy.

Maria says:

Blackcunt,

If you're really such a horny bastard, why don't you ram it up Cynic's arse, he's a pretty girl and really needs it! You two would make a brilliant couple! I can even smell how perfect it would be!

Sean says:

Please.. why don't we all cut the your a cunt, No i had that cunt, and you can't have it... and have reasonable discussions about what todo with women whom you'd love to bring home.

For example, how its normal if your decent thai lady brings another lady along.. the chaperon. Should you be worried etc?

What todo in situations where the chaperon knows more english than your future mrs... and the future mrs gets
mad?

Movies your thai sweethear will love? Foods to order to impress her? What todo when you go for dinner with her and some of her friends...

Comments?

John U says:

That would be nice Sean.

I have practically given up posting because of a few people constantly bitching at each other. It's become pretty miserable to read. I want fun and laughter mostly and it's sure putting me off.

Anyway, if your GF brings along a chaperone you have no need to worry. You just pay extra. If she is not really a chaperone, but just a friend you need to worry because she's taking the piss, and you have to pay extra.

If the chaperone knows more English than your GF again you have no need to worry - it's your GF's fault, and anyway you may fancy the chaperone. So blow the GF out. :<)

Finally don't worry about impressing her. She'll order her own food, and if you try to order for her she'll veto it, and you'll look like a cunt. If she has friends they'll fill the table with food, don't worry.

Just fucking pay the bill.

You farang. You pay.

Greg says:

Hi Blackcunt. Finally, someone who's experience mirrors my own. Therefore you have experienced the "real" Thailand.

Greg says:

Discursive monologue - I was out drinking last night and was having an idle chat with a fellow who had a cheerful if overused laugh. When the subject of girlfriends came up he turned nearly hostile when I mentioned having more than one. I felt it safer just to leave the table. When his girlfriend showed up I wondered if the fellow was a bit naive. The guy is an English teacher who has been here for about five months. I think he still thinks that women are basically the same all over the world.

The hostility to those who have more than one lover raises a lot of questions. Especially when I suspect his girl is not nearly as monogamous at heart as he chooses to believe. Maybe he isn't either. Allergic to his own mind? Insecurities lead people who don't want to look in to lash out at a world that seemingly is easier to control.

Kara says:

John U,

" If she has friends they'll fill the table with food, don't worry...Just fucking pay the bill."

Thai girls say, esp your GF when she brings her friends along..."girls come on I have my KII MOO today."

So many times have I watched girls in restaurants and letting everyone know surreptitiously that there is a KII MOO in the middle. They piss themselves laughing at the spectacle.

Cynic says:

Hey Blackcunt:

You might like to make a similar site to my:

www.blackpeopleloveus.com

You and Greg could make one called:

thaigirlsloveus.com

John U says:

Kara,

Thanks for that I haven't heard that before.

I know Moo is pork, and Kee or Kii as you spell it is shit isn't it?

So the literal translation is "Shit Pig" or "Pig Shit"?

:<))

How quaint. And they smile so sweetly don't they?

As a friend of mine says " They've got more faces than Big Ben"

Bibble says:

SEAN,

"You can tell bargirls, gold diggers, etc a mile way. Get your mother to write them.. see what their reaction is.."

Which is your mother, a gold digger or an ex bar girl?
how does she know how to flush out the bar girls and gold diggers?

Maybe she is still a bar girl? if so which bar? if you are only 29 she may only be 42 or 43?

BLACKCUNT says:

CYNIC,

I dont have all the time in the world to answer every fool that can crank up meaningless words of argument on a website.I know how precious your time is , still you make it apoint to reply to every post and comment out here.
I already have a website its not about thailand or women, I would not be expecting you there soon or in this your lifetime.
I post with the handle BLACKCUNT' because thats stickmans translation of AY DAM" . Its not a word of my choice. You and stick might not be necesarily doing better than me in anything here in the Kingdom(including nailing decent broads) with all your very white skin.
All of my friends here are whites but they are not like you .

PLease dont bother writing me back . I might miss it as I would be very busy the next 10 years .

Cynic says:

Shut your stinking trap you fat cunt.

Cynic says:

BTW I fucked your ugly Chinese missus up the back passage - so there!

Greg says:

Cynic - I hope that you discover the precious jewel of bodhicitta. In the meantime it will come as no surprise to you I don't like you. I can't think of many people that I don't like, so your efforts at being an insensitive brute have won the reward you were seeking.

TANAI KWAI says:

Now I'm confused. Cynic, I thought you were a Brit of Indian descent and thus no Dolph Lundgren. And to think I was including you in my dusky wall of solidarity along with BLACKCUNT.

What the F?

(...)

Greg says:

"dusky wall of solidarity" counts as poetry. I have no idea what you find poetic in football hooligan comments.

TANAI KWAI says:

Ha!

I don't know... their is something about their improvisational sloppiness and "teh" and "fkn" that kind of makes me smile.

(I don't know)

Greg says:

Further, I admit that I consider empathy as not entirely positive. Like sex or alcohol, too much can lead to problems. Some folks coined the term co-dependent to try to wrap the idea into a meme. Right and wrong is obviously wrong, and empathy is a much grander substitute for that, however we can visualize many perpectives and attitudes at once, while considering the benefits and losses of each. We can value perspectives and grade. It isn't a flat equal world where every viewpoint is equally valid.

Empathy must be mixed with sharp discrimination. Love is our source, but without insight, love is stupid.

So Tanai, I wonder why you want to both battle and befriend all. Is that not prevarication? A well formed ego takes a stand with little need to defend its illusory being.

TANAI KWAI says:

Greg, relax.

(...)

Greg says:

Laxing again. Laxed.

Plenty laxed.

Deconstructing Greg says:

Does deconstruction lead to nihilism? Can you get more relaxed than resting in pre-conception? Philosophy is not pointless, you know.

Greg says:

The human condition has layers. Not everything reduces to the struggle for dominance. This forum seems to provide evidence otherwise, but thankfully we all know it is a concrete facade.

Thailand is the land of "face". Facade is a way of life here. It creeps into the soul.

Ex Slacks says:

Laxative, Greg, laxative.

Greg says:

Dear relaxed anus laxative spokesperson,

Do you also advocate novocain injections to the hypothalamus? Thinking is bad. Bad.

Mike says:

Greg,

I hope that you are not the Greg I know and that I am not the Mike you know... but your american style could make me believe....

Greg says:

Nope.

Gregness says:

I hope that I am not the Greg that I know and that you are not the Greg that you know.

I am not. You are not. That leaves but one who is not not but is.

Cynic - Hi Greg says:

I like you

Gregness says:

Greg, the two of us need look no more,
we've both found what we were looking for

With a friend to call my own
I'll never be alone
And you, my friend will see
You've got a friend in me
(You've got a friend in me)

Greg, you're always running here and there
(Here and there)
You feel you're not wanted anywhere (anywhere)
If you ever look behind
And don't like what you find
There's something you should know
You've got a place to go
(You've got a place to go)

I used to say I and me
Now it's us, now it's we
(I used to say I and me)
(Now it's us, now it's we)

Greg, most people would turn you away
(Turn you away)
I don't listen to a word they say
(A word they say)
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Greg
(A friend)
Like Greg
(Like Greg)
Like Greg

Gregness says:

The previous Gregness is not the earlier Gregness but rather an expansion of Gregness. However this is as it should be, for all known Gregnesses contain the inner Gregness and none may claim sole possession of the essence of Gregness. Yea, verily, let us all explore the inner Gregness.

Greg says:

Do all know Gregnesses have my credit card information?

The Unbearable Gregness of Being says:

The Gregness can be looked at but not seen, listened to but not heard, reached for but not obtained; it's name is formless, soundless and intangible. Therefore it is beyond analysis, it can only be known by the intuitive mind.

Unlike the rising sun, it is not bright; unlike the setting sun, there is no dimming of the light when it sets. Endlessly this nameless essence of the Gregness goes on, merging and returning to nothingness.

Gregness says:

What, in the name of all that is Greg, are you fuckers going on about?

John U says:

Gregness,

If I'm not mistaken the song was penned about the friendship of a kid and a rat.

I don't know about the rat comparison, but you certainly act like a kid.

Absolutley childish drivel.

Gregness says:

John U, as an upright, upstanding dude, you should realise that resistance to the Gregness is futile. Long ago the Gregness formed out of nothingness to combat the dark and unnatural forces of Tanai-ism.

Identity thefted says:

No need to point this out, I'm sure, but Gregness is not Greg.

Gregness says:

Contained in each thing is its opposite. Thus in contemplation of the Gregness there obtains an alternate universe of Gregness, wherein asked are the questions:

Why is there something instead of nothing?

How many pins can I stick in an angel?

Is Greg in?

Greg says:

Unbearable: I liked your post, up until "Endlessly this nameless essence of the Gregness goes on, merging and returning to nothingness." Perhaps it is the limits of language that makes that last one seem off. Talking about unborn non-dual beingness is pretty well impossible, as it is prior to or transcendent of linguistic categories. But that last one seemed contrived. Fun though.

YABS says:

someone i met in brazil had a good saying
and i wish i had taken it more to heart
he said
"if you are young and you pay for sex you are foolish, but when you are old and you DON'T
pay for sex you are foolish":
wise words and certainly food for thought.
if you cannot get a legit girl as oyu are too old
ect then fine get yourself a whore as a wife
but now i know of many 20 something guys
taking whores as girlfriends.
For one thing its selfish
I often try and rack down my favourite hoes
for some fun dirty sex only to find out
"she amrry already, she go switzerland"
or whatever. I mean seriously leave the girls where
you found them
at the bar!
guys with options who gat involved romantically with whores are losers
end of story!

Buggerall says:

Lets face it..We all go to thailand cause its cheap and there's always a young energetic beautiful girl wanting to tell just how wonderful we are. No matter how fucked up we or our lives might be back in the real world. My first trip to Thailand made me realize just what was happening. Here an average foreign man can go and be treated as though he is above average. It as simple as that, where else can you go in the world to have people run to sit you at a table, give you lobster for lunch for next to nothing and then go have a 3 way soapy with 23 year old models. The place is fucken AWESOME!!

All the shit and banter occurs when different assholes from different places around the world want to take or keep there little piece of paradise with them. There people just like you and I, granted the girls can make any dick hard at a glance but I think they are great. If you get your self in a mess over there, go the fuck home and stay there!! Thailand is where the big boys go. There is no pace like it on earth..I've looked.

daniel says:

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE.I THOUGHT PEOPLE BECAME MORE RELAXED ONCE THEY CAME TO THAILAND..OBVIOUSLY I AM WRONG.

shagging a thai hooker is one thing...but living with one...you must be crazy.

At first its her then slowly but surely the rest of the family friends and hangers-on come along, and it is done with such subtlety.

apart from that as soon as your money runs out shes off thats if she doesnt take you to the cleaners first.

philH says:

daniel,
I may not agree entirely with you regarding the hangers on. I had a live in for ten years and hardly ever saw her family unless we went to visit. Of course this don't mean they weren't freeloadiing via the back door, as you say sublety is the keyword, but I reckon I got off lightly. I guess that I was the exception. I know a mate of mine, married to a BG, used to get greeted by the whole family standing in line with their hands out

But your last statement is bang on! As soon as my contract finished she was off. I hung on in Thailand for a while before returning to UK for a new start. She's now married some Brit but he can't be up to the mark as last time I saw her she was wearing a dowdy old tee shirt she had way back in '94.

But the best bit is I'm now on a contract in KL earning as much in a week as I used to in a month (and it was a damn good screw back then). I always go back to her bar when I'm back in LOS, but I don't lay it on too thick. Just ring the bell a few times, make sure my wallet is suitably padded and have a couple of local accessories.

Childish? Yeah, but I just can't resist.

Doctor Bob Rix says:

All this perpetuitous stuff about Thai Girls whether they be good, bad or ugly is amazing. This one seminal article, written back in the dark ages when all TG’s were good anyway, still elicits quirky comment and, hopefully, forever will. Of course it’s all Silly Season stuff but it keeps us entertained and amused on dark winter nights! I recall yonks ago some article in a Thai expat mag entitled “what do I tell mum” and gave some guidance in the form of multiple choice questions to greenhorns, which were simple enough. They go like this…(select one only):
I met my Thai gf in...
a) the library
b) the museum
c) the Art gallery
d) the hospital
e) the office
f) a friends wedding
But, the author of the article wrote (of the potential guys in the potential quandary), mum would soon suss him out because, she would say, what the fuck would he be doing in a library, museum, art gallery etc. She knew he didn’t have an office in Thailand as he was on a Sex Tour and because he was the ‘sort of guy’ to go on a sex tour he didn’t have any friends; getting married or otherwise. The deeper question the author expressed in the article was; would the sort of guy, who had the savvy to hitch up with a ‘nice’ TG who you could possibly meet in such places listed, be reading that article anyway (or even this one?)? As for when and which ‘date’ the sex happens, Thai ladies, from whichever class (bar or ballroom), are as human as any woman in the world and they have little control of that; the culturally programmed placid resistance yes; but if the guy gives up at that juncture, her instincts tell her he’s a dork anyway and good riddance. For me I think live and let live and I fucking abhor the tee-shirt you see hanging for sale in Beach Road Pattaya … “It’s not your GF: It’s only your turn”.

Wyndie says:

Here's someting I am sure you will all smirk at... I live in SA and recently met a Thai girl in a 'Strip Club' cum 'Knock-shop'. I immediately noticed her as she was one of the most attractive girls I ever met. We hit it off and were in bed not 30 minutes after I met her. Since then (For the last 2 months) I have seen her often (in cheap hotels) and we spent quite a bit of time together. Unfortunately I am one of the 'Love-struck' fools you all refer to. I am not a regular in these sort of clubs and I actually DO have respect for women. I am engaged to a SA lady and we've been together for just over 5 years. 'Idiot', I hear many of you say... About 2 weeks ago she left JHB and went to another City in SA (About 1000km's away from here) to go and look for 'work', as she left the place here because of 'internal conflict' with her 'co-workers'. Before she left I gave her R4000-00 for renewing her VISA. 'Idiot', I hear again. I have asked her to stop with 'bookings', and she keeps on re-assuring me that she only does stripshow, and no bookings. She does not continuously ask me for money, (it was only the one time), and when we go together somewhere we have a good time together, almost like a couple... Yesterday she sends me a SMS to say that her last bit of money was stolen, she does not have a place to stay and that she is generally in the crap. Made a big impact on my emotions, as I am not a monster and have a lot of feelings for her. I am now thinking of leaving my current SA gilfriend to bring my Thai girl back to the town where I am, and give her a life she probably deserves. Am I one of the biggest idiots you ever heard of, or what?!?!?

meister says:

"Am I one of the biggest idiots you ever heard of, or what?!?!?"

Probably...

Jaques says:

Sure Wyndie, why not? Go for it. What's the worst that can happen? Or else maybe you could have her as a "minor wife"...

Hotstoat says:

Do it Wyndie, leave your girlfriend, make the Thai girl part of your life, you won't regret it. Give it a try. If it fucks up, at least you know you did the right thing. You're not satisfied with your SA girlfriend, otherwise you wouldn't be in this situation. People on this site will tell you you're being an idiot: but you'd be an idiot not to.

Mick from Isle of Man says:

Yes.

Wifey B says:

Wyndie - same story from a friend of mine in New Zealand. "You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl". Anyway that ended pretty nasty.

Remember where you met her dude. Sometimes it's easier to just screw these girls and forget about it!

cantsaynotome says:

i,m one of guys who came here on a 6 month contract and stayed..contract ended 5 months ago, sure i got into the bar girl thing for the first month or so but got bored with it very fast and then realised it absolutely was,nt nessasary and started dating normal thai girls...infact for a while it became too stressfull with the mobile ringing all the time and soon had to change my number, after this i again went through yet another stressfull period where i got mixed up with a dating agency with a large list of girls working in japanese factorys who had paid to join a plan where the agency would advertise them and garantee at least 2 dates with a farang (depending on which plan they chose) after meeting 2 of these young girls who came along with the hello kitty bag it felt embarrassing, mostly they had no knowledge of the english language (my thai is very limited) although one them did manage a complete sentence (my phone empty..you buy me phone card)the other would use a dictionary and send a text which would be somthing like (you come my room eat rice)so..i also got bored with this and decided to stop.
about a week after this the agency phoned and told they had emailed pics of new girls and i should have a look if there are any i might be interested to date, i must have sounded uninterested and the guy asked me to come around and see him ( just a 5 minute drive to the agency)he then made me a deal where i actualy got payed 1000bht for every date,
at this point i became very excited about the prospect of being paid to be a naughty boy and eccepted alomost all the dates he gave me,
most were only dreaming of way out of this minimum wage jap factory 180bht per day but! there were the ones who were only interested in sex with a farang and in some cases nothing more than curious,
as they all work shifts i could somtimes manage 2 or 3 dates per day (my work schedule permiting)
i not only got bored again but it started to turn to worms when a few of the girls realised they were dating the same guy, anyway it was fun for a few months but soon became stress and the whole deceit thing started to play on my morals (again a mobile number change was called for)
these days my life style has totaly changed...i,m now living with a young human rights lawyer who is in some way damaged but the typical thai girl reputation for being only interested in money...she refuses to let me pay food bills or other living costs and even when in the resteraunt and i try to do the keptang kaap thing she protests and quickly pays it while i,m still trying to work the thai numbers out,
staying faithfull to one girl here in los is one of the most difficult things in my life at the moment and now realise it would be much easier if i dump the car and dress a little more like a ksr farang hippie,
to all the guys hooked up with a bg i would say...get a cool car and some nice duds...keep the sweaty smell away and you have to beat the nice girls off,

daniel says:

I have to say that some people are too trusting but on the other hand....

……if that is what makes them happy, who am I to spoil their fun.

My opinions are not defamatory towards the foreigners who live with Bar-Girls but serve as a warning ‘TO BE CAREFULL’.


1. A Bar-Girl, Freelancer is only interested in money.

2. She doesn't care who has it or what they look like.

3. If she likes you for you, her family will soon put her straight.

4. You are a foreigner in her country, you have more money than her, and she doesn't like that.

5. She will relive you of any such monies, why should you have it and she will use every emotional trick in the book.

6. Budda comes first, then her respective family, then gold, other Thai men, alcohol, cigarettes, food, buffalo’s, pigs, rice-paddys, chickens, cockroaches and lastly……..YOU!

7. You will be a walking ATM as long as you are with her.

8. Everything she does for you sexually will undoubtedly have some monetary connotations, sooner or later.

9. You may think that your girl is the one that is different, believe me, they are great actresses

10. If you are sick and cannot work, or you lose all your money……..SHE WILL LEAVE YOU.

bill says:

Daniel,
Your list of ten itms is dead on. It is also dead on for every f*cking women I have ever met in any country I have ever been in and I have been to about 30 different countries. Your a man, a man provides, if he cannot provide, then the woman will find another man. Simple as that. f*ck it. It's more up front here but it takes a lot less money to keep em puttin out here than it does almost anywhere else and they do such a nice job. You can't screw money and you can't take it with you. So set your burn rate low enough to make it to your guaranteed impending death and have a great time with a gal who may be half your age. I for one will never opt for the 40 something cow who will stay with ya even if your broke cause nobody else would take the bitch. Forget faithful, You don't do it why should she? Forget true love, only exists in novels. Live it up, and spend the last dime you got on your death bed while sucking down a johnny walker black on credit.

Sadbastard says:

DAVID! GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE!
The world needs you. *sob*!
*I* need you! Don't give us any more shit about Google or whatever (you're confusing us with people who give a fuck), just strap yourself in and get fucking tapping.
This blog is a resource as precious as the jade Buddha. Only funnier. You've got a bunch of people here adding comments to your posts several geological eons after they were written.
And I've just burst my fifth catheter laughing.
All this is God's way, I like to think, of telling you to get back in the chair.

Anonymous says:

my husband lives with a thai hooker on and off on his frequent trips to K.L. she is called FEE FEE and is fleecing him of all his money. Our business is going down the pan and when he came back from his last trip she had given him hepatitis B. We are living apart at the moment.He will not listen to any advice about the fact that this con woman is going to eat him up and spit him out ,he just keeps paying out money that we do not have. I think that she is blackmailing him and needs investigating by the police ! Any one interested will find her most nights in the hardrock cafe in K.L. with her sister bar girl POM PUA and their classy bar bar girly friends.

Dick Renegade says:

Anonymous,

If it's that bad why are staying with this guy????

philH says:

Anon, I am working out of KL at the moment. I don't normally go to the HRC as I can't stand the place but I might just wander in there and check this tart out. Thanks for the H.B tip off, if I knew your hubby's first name I could cause a bit of mischief, but if I fancy a go at it I'll make sure I have a kevlar condom handy.

Pan says:

hey mike
how do u know "Most Thai teenagers are not virgins, and most twenty somethings aren't either."?
I am 20 and still virgin
my friends in the univ also

kkkkk says:

Its funny reading all this shit above from the know it alls. I met a bargirl and spent 6 weeks with her, I stopped giving her money on day 3 and she still stayed with me. She ended up trying to convince me to go home with her and stay there with her, she doesnt give fuck about my money and never asks me for it. But she is one of the good bargirls, she never really went with men short time and when we met I wanted to ST her and give her 2000 bht but she refused. She quit the bar for me and calls me all the time now and sometimes crying talking about how much she misses me. She has told me that she wants to stop giving her parents money just to be with me. She wants me to move to Thailand and shetake care of me lol

But unfortunately I think this cannot work out and soon I will need to finish her.

We are about the same age though so that changes a lot. Of course a 24 year old doesnt go with a balding fatass in his middle age crisis because she is attracted to him

Road Natzi says:

KKKKK,
You silly fool, the first thing you need to do is learn to speak thai. I'm not 100% fluent, but I can hold my own.

You see, your thai girl is actually crying because you gave her a dose of the CLAP. The reason she hung around after you stopped giving her money is because you feed, housed and fucked her with a not so large penis. She cost you plenty of money in this time. Also the other 27 boyfriends were still sending money to her, so there was no immediate money drought, however, if the bank account was bahtless, you would have known about it.

Don't worry about finishing with ur girl, theres probably some other bloke finishing her off right now.

Of course she quit the bar now, ohh and u were lucky because you got her on her first night in the bar, never been with man before, GOLD LINED PUSSY....Fuck Off you fool and wake up before THAILAND and its PUSSY eats you up!

ozricdan says:

i agree with you there bill........take what you can get because you are never going to be given it.

i am always the eternal optimist and think people should hope to find love, but ifs not forthcoming then fuck as much and who you want.

chock dee...peeps

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