No to foreign brides: Feminism meets fascism

Not Anyone Associated With Thailand Websites says:

From the end of the linked article:

"And, if the mail order marriage industry is so great for women, then why aren't American women flocking to the Internet to find foreign husbands?"

Mr. K. Summers, looking for a new business idea?

Personally I'm glad to be living within the otherwise much-maligned EU, where an EU citizen living in another member state is more-or-less entitled to import close dependents of any nationality.

Looper says:

Thanks for a break from that Galt related unpleasantness David.

Very interesting and scary article. Well spotted Grunt. Ms Erbe can lick my arse with a condiment of her choosing etc.

Please more stuff about toilets and buffalo dung.

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Hi Looper

I'm through with Galt now - unless he spontaneously combusts in a 600ft fireball or something.

Regards
David

Mr Lucky says:

Though I've never had a problem with American women myself, I heard this one from a Japanese pal:

"Heaven is having an American house, a British car, a Chinese cook and a Japanese wife.

Hell is having a Japanese house, a Chinese car, a British cook and an American wife."

American says:

Bonnie Erbe is a virulent ethno centrist. She assumes that American white culture is the only one that exists in our diverse country. How about the millions of Asian immigrants born in the US? Am I not allowed to marry an Indian who shares the same culture and background as me? Or do I and my Latino friends have to compete like dogs for the limited supply of women from our cultures who are also in this country? Maybe we should marry white women who have 50% failure rate.

"Do we really want another 40,000 plus people entering the United States per year to satisfy men who cannot seem to find suitable mates among America's already copious supply?"

Let’s extend her logic to the food we eat. From now on, everyone must eat eggs and bacon for breakfast, burger and fries for lunch and meatloaf for dinner. Why should we eat foreign cuisine when America’s obesity-inducing cuisine can satisfy our nutritional requirements?

The most frightening aspect of this article is that the NY Times considers a professional feminist as a credible source for an article on marriage. It is like asking a celibate priest for sex advice.

pay as u go says:

Ms Erbe sounds more like a racist fucking bull dike...sadly this kind of attitude is not only found in the U.S also here in Australia woman rule the roost.
But you really got me with these words....

["In order to get a house, an income, a Green Card and residency in the Promised Land, all a foreign con-girl has to do is to marry a hapless American victim and then falsely accuse him of knocking her around.

A well-trained army of lawyers and social workers will then spring into action to make her rich beyond her wildest dreams at the unfortunate guy's expense"]

Mine stayed with me for 2 yrs and 2 days , 2 days over the required time for her to get permanent residency here in Oz, before she left she cleared out all the bank accounts , when she left she got the house ....she's French not uneducated or from a developing country , just a woman who took advantage of what the system lets her get away with ...
Going to Thailand is the only reason I did'nt jump off a fucking cliff . It was there that I found woman in this world that are still feminine and know how to look after a man , I never knew that a woman could be so wonderful....to all those intoxicating Thai ladies I THANKYOU.
My advice to any man is hire a hooker. Pay as you go , it's much much cheaper.

faatm says:

Just look at her picture !!! it says a thousand words .......feminazi is one that springs to mind.

Pants Elk says:

It's understandable (though regrettable) that you cropped the picture of "Ms" Erbe for your piece.
The full picture (circulating privately on the internet) reveals the charismatic feminist as a not-particularly-well-endowed ladyboy, here in the act of receiving oral administration from Karl Rove.
Now you know why "Bonnie" (a name which shows her bar-girl roots as much as her dress sense) looks the way she does, right?
Oh - and her legs could do with a good waxing, too.

Liu Bei says:

I have not seen anything that would convince me that Ms. Erbe is a professional feminist. Professional busybody, maybe. I guess she's taking a time out from trying to revive Tipper Gore's crusade against pop music.

I am no supporter of the mail order bride business, which specializes in separating desperate men and women from money. However, it seems obvious that a more rigorous interview of potential brides--to determine if they actually know their husband, and how well--might be a more effective way to weed out fakes, mail order brides and green card marriages. I don't see anything wrong with the actual law as such--just Ms. Erbe's fascism.

Hmmmm the implications are staggering though. I live in Thailand at the moment. Apparently according to Ms. Erbe, I should not be dating a Thai citizen in spite of the fact that I don't know any American women here. Apparently, although my girlfriend will have no problem getting an educational visa to finish her MBA in the US, she's not educated enough to be married to me?

By the way, Ms. Erbe, in case your'e reading this, my girlfriend's less submissive than you--yeah, it's me, a fellow New Yorker. You'll remember me from that mad night when we shared bathroom at "Save the Robots." I didn't mind doing you with the distraction of drag queens and junkies pounding on the door constantly, and your submissive act was kind of cute. However, when you wanted me to rub poo all over you it kinda freaked me out. I was young and foolish and almost as high as you. I'm really sorry, Bonnie. I'm not making excuses. I truly regret leaving you tied up in that bathroom to be violated by all those junkies. Sorry, my bad.

Sunglasses Ron says:

The most interesting aspect of this story is that when I clicked on the link the first thing I noticed was a load of adverts saying stuff like "Meet Asian Women" and "Beautiful Russian Women".

These hypocritical cunts are actually profiting from the mail order bride business.

The diclaimer on the left hand side that they are a non-profit making organisation is obviously bullshit.

Anonymous says:

It seems to me that the Erbe-whale fully understands that she cannot compete with an Asian woman for the attentions of a Western man.

She now wishes,presumably as do all the other wastern-women-whales to oppose all western male relationships with Asian females.

It wont work. If you could enact this crap, a great many western men would simply up and move to Asia.

You whales just don't get it do you ? We (men) are not here to provide you with a free house, car, alimony, pension etc.

We want real women not lazy fat grasping schemeing porkers.

So go get a life...yeah, and your own house , car pension too....

Veteran says:

Yes, the new law is hassle. However, it ONLY applies to men trying to marry a person they have not physically met in person from the internet or other mail order bride media. It does NOT apply to men who meet their future wives in person while outside the country. Actually, I think it is good to handicap with burdensome regulations those men who are unable to get off the couch and actually go meet a woman in person. I think the finacial criteria for marriage to a foriegn woman is already too low. It is important to note that the CAUSE of American men wanting a non US bride is the fact that American women truly have become fat, self centered, un feminine yeti with a hugely inflated sense of self worth and entitlement. Not even taking into account how quickly an American womans appearence declines SO FAST after age 25..who would even want one ? American women for the most part dont want to make a happy home, raise a family and take care of domestic and family matters anymore. And currently, most SUCCESSFUL men under 40 find it cool , hip and trendy to have a foriegn girlfriend/wife these days, at least in the large fast growing Metro areas of the US. chalk it up to supply and demand : the demand for American women with their emotional baggage just isnt there anymore.

Er says:

As a Brit with a dreadful socialist government (and who do media pieces saying otherwise but carry on making the government bigger and bigger with excessive laws to suit), finding the Land of the Free coming out with this nonsense is actually very depressing.

Whilst LOS if fine for lounging around in, I would never do any kind of investment/business here, and it becomes very difficult to find a country that is both FREE and not ruined by violence. Not that I had the million US dollars to get an investment visa there, anyway. Nor in NZ or Oz. And total language ineptitude rules out the Euro-zone (a lot of which is worse than the UK, anyway).

Sorry about the rant, the problem is that politicians have to justify their existence by passing laws, etc - where is the political party that wants to ABOLISH LAWS and cut down the size of government. Anyone who wants to do that doesn't want to waste their life as a politician!

Jon says:

Dave, one gets the feeling you have the ability to rip a larger hole in this sort of article.. why not really pick the arguments apart? you know she is gonna come here after she gets all the hits from your link.

pattayajoe says:

Something tells me that under her red power business suit she's wearing a strap-on johnson bar, just waiting to ram some unsuspecting poor western man.

I can almost hear her:
"how dare you try to be happy in a relationship...who's your daddy now"

Bangkokram says:

If Bonnie Erbe could have shown me a beautiful, young, slim, sexy, caring, feminine western beauty, then maybe just maybe I would have stayed in the west.
Not even the racist bitch Erbe could pull that trick off!
Like i've said many times, I don't want a fat, over 40, with four kids, divorced, chain smoking, pisshead who wears ski pants for a wife.

Liu Bei says:

Interesting--Ms. Erbe's rant, filtered through Mangosauce, has brought out the best from "God damn Western Bitches" crowd.

But then, you lot don't need an excuse to trot out your cliched, lopsided view of western women, do you? Maybe, just maybe, it's as much (or more) about YOU as THEM. Maybe you're just not that desirable. Are there enough desperate Thai girls to make you feel like the studs you never were?

So what's the problem, guys? Why the broad brush? Certainly the "young, slim, sexy, caring, feminine western beauty" exists. Can't get one? Or are you guys just haunted by bad divorces?

If I had three wishes, I'd waste one of them stranding the "western bitches" crowd on an island with the Bonnie Erbe crowd forever, so that they only have each other for sex and dazzling conversation. Does bitterness have a chemical or electromagnetic signature? If so, you could spot the island from a satellite. From the satellite you lot'd probably look an awful lot like the Grate Galt.

Eagerly awaiting the next "Western Bitches" rant...

Veteran says:

perhaps I should have clarified or expanded my previous post. There ARE good looking, fun loving , physically fit emotionally stable caucasian women in the US...its just that they are 22 years old or LESS, and comprise only about 30 % of their age cohort. I used to date and play with a lot of girls like that when I was in High School and University,,,the problem is the AGE..in both appearance and outlook..sigh..so in short, yes, the US does have some awesome babes, they are just so fleeting in their youth and attitude.

Range Rat says:

Liu Bei, strange you should inquire about an island filled with the feminazi ilk of Ms Erbe and the whoremongering denizens of mangosauce. Here's the link: http://www.smdc.army.mil/RTS.html

I used to live there once, and while ensconced there came to the conclusion that pussy was just another global commodity, constrained only by supply and quality, with a price reflecting these constraints. Sort of like pork bellies and molybdenum.

As for the feminazis, I can't speak for them since they spent most of their time playing tennis while I and their husbands were working. They certainly did like their waterford crystal, though. And their husbands sure did love to hear about Phuket.

And should you have any questions about the commoditization of puddin' tane, please consider the following:

"Amazing! Astonishing! Still can't get over the fantastic idea that when you are looking at a girl, you are looking at somebody who is guaranteed to have on her--a cunt! They all have cunts! Right under their dresses! Cunts--for fucking!" (Philip Roth, Portnoy's Complaint)

Dizz says:

There are equations between humans
that cannot be difined. It's abstracts
and patterns mingle among the stars.
No one line of fascisim or cultural
set pieces enhances and divines.
The concept of luck best describes
when a queen piece is fitted to the
king: the drive is usually driven
by a variance of forces that defy
written lines because the world itself
is in battle between the unreal of
design, and the gentleness of meets
that barely touch, and yet ignite
and take flight.

Travel is so sublime a state to meet
a love because of the extreme variance:
when it happens, the universe has put
a piece of its influence in a breeze
of air that is not yet broken by the
moves of another: when the space is
joined, the moment presents the coupling
of the presence of two into one, and
real, not contrived, couple is set.
---Dizz

Chico says:

You know if Erbe had used the same tone to talk about race, religion or human sexuality it could be deemed as inciting hatred. She is of course intitled to her small minded opinions, which i feel is born out of sense of great insecurity.

I have had both western and asian girlfriends, and while this doesnt apply to everyone, i found western women in general to be self-invloved and rather uncompromising, often with a dash of guile and spite, combine that with a sprinkling of masculinity and it often creates a woman that is not attractive in my eyes, and perhaps any man with eyes.

I would certainly opt for a caring, thoughtful, feminine partner over a demanding, opinionated, vain feminist any day. I'm in favour of women being treated equally, but lets not forget men and women have differing gender roles to play.

To suggest that I would be forced to choose an indigenous female is clearly xenophobic and an insult to my personal freedom.

I truely pity the unfortunate person who married this lady, assuming she is married at all.

SPQR_US says:

Pay as you go;

You hit the nail on the head for me. I was at my wits end as well. Thailand saved my life. I'll be there for the month of January with my beautiful little brown wife.

I have never felt closer to anyone in my life and I truly adore her. Thai women are anything but submissive as anyone that has sampled their fare should well and truly know.

Anyway while Ms. Bonnie is busily munching fur biscuits at the local lesbian crotch rot festival with my ex-wife, I'll be in Phuket or Chiang Mai thankfully enjoying my new life on my sabbatical.

I guess I might owe my ex a debt of gratitude really for showing me how like Ms. Erbe she in fact was. As an Amercian I have a right to say that most American women are simply grasping self centered cunts. There are good ones but they are quickly taken and live well and happy lives. The others like Ms. Erbe's cunt harpies lurch through life dragging their baggage along with their ever increasing and ponderous bulk.

Most American women can't get laid on a bet in Thailand or in much of the rest of the world. Sure some guys in Europe will poke'em just for a taste something different but they know as well as anyone that they don't have to stable the critter after they've tapped her and dropped a load. A couple of emails from an anonymous account after the fact and then no dial tone...

I have to say that here on the West Coast some women are starting to get it. At the office for example caucasian wives and girlfriends are becoming as scarce as hen's teeth. They're being replaced with Asians faster than the guys are trading their Fords for Toyotas. As time passes some of these women here will get it.

Ms. Erbe on the other hand probably looks back longingly to the days of the "Separate but Equal" water fountains and toilets. I'm sure she plays Wagner with a picture of Der Fuerher looking down lovingly at her latest work.

Bonnie in case your reading this or in the happy event that someone emails you the link; You are simply a racist, and a sexist. In a word a just a common biggot. There's still time to seek forgiveness and repent, but you can still choose to walk the path of those that in the past have taken your same position; Pol Pot, Hitler, and the Klu Klux Klan.

thaihome says:

Rather old news. This did throw a big wrench into the fiancée visa last year, but they just about have it sorted out.

Why don't you write about something that is really important to [US] expats, the recently snuck in potentially huge tax increase we are to retroactively being subjected to.
TH

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Hi Thaihome

Your opening statement misses the point completely and your suggestion that I should write an article about American fiscal policy is plain stupid.

I notice that all your postings follow the same pattern.

Do you adopt your contrary and relentlessly condescending tone as some sort of attention seeking device?

If so, please desist because I've truly got better things to do.

Regards
David

Bozo says:

Here's another piece penned by a feminazi/dyke/penis-envying CUNT! Modernized western women want to use their tits and vaginas to wield power, and that means they can command hefty assets by fucking and marrying men with said assets.

So, when these fucking CUNTS see that their male western world men have discovered the wonderfully lovable, feminine Asian women who cost but a pittance to fuck, they get in an uproar. THEY want to be in control of the western men using their expensive vaginas.

Are we western world men exploiting these poor Asian girls? Not at all. We have finally learned that genuinely feminine and lovable women can be attained for a ridiculously small amount of money.

Looper says:

You tell him David. Who's feckin blog is this anyway.

To US fiscal policy we say 'NO!'

To tales of western male emancipation, the renaissance of feminine values and throwing off the yoke of manky mingers from Macclesfield we say 'BONZER!'

Jack Wow says:

What a bozo.

Somebody who calls women "cunts", but refers to their genitalia as "vaginas".

Hilarious!

Difficult to get wound-up with a hypoctritical article that makes profits off such ads:

Get Married Abroad
Official US Green Card
Foreign Affair

Cotambear says:

What has Veteran been smoking to suggest that Britain has 'a dreadful socialist government'.
Dreadful (but anti-socialist)is indeed the word for Britain`s current and former Thatcherite governments of the last 25 years. Even Thatcher itself baulked at the idea of privatising large areas of the NHS, as this current Thatcherite administration is doing.

Pants Elk says:

All this "current Thatcherite administration" stuff is making me go all rheumy-eyed for the Stick/Galt years.

Getting back on-topic, my US correspondent now tells me the ladyboy picture was a cheap fake, and that Bonnie is in fact the proud possessor of a cunt that hangs like a bison's jaw. So, my apologies.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

what she means is no more Whores.

Lets face it 99% of these brides are ex working gal things.

and l should know, l've humped 100% of em.

Thaxo

Er says:

Sorry, UK government is getting bigger by the day and Blair and his bum boys come out with capitalist platitudes and then go their merry socialist way... moving a bit of cash to the private sector in the NHS and then hugely expanding the bureacracy to check how the cash is spent is not capitalism in any recognizable sense.

What we need is the next government to come in and abolish EVERY law passed by the labour clowns!

Off topic sorry, these dreadful women are everywhere and whenever I come across them all I think is thank god I am not married to any of them - they are absolutely convinced they rule the universe. Frightening!

Agreed thought there are many absolutely marvellous looking young Western ladies around but I don't think they are so nice as to ignore the fact that I am fifty whereas Oriental gals...

Don't know what the problem is for these elderly women who are worried about all their potential husbands going Asian, they can always bugger off to Africa and find some men!

Veteran says:

Cotambear, you made a mistake, I didnt say anyting about the UK or its govt. in my postings ,Er's post is the one you are refering to.

Paul says:

I must say that I agree with the feminists just a little bit on this one. I have seen enough evidence with my own two eyes of creepily fucked up foreign marriages between old men and young foreign women. I can't imagine that the women is in it for the love and I know the guy is pissed he took the dive.

That being said, It's none of my goddamned business and I know for a fact that this is nowhere near the majority of such relationships. This bill is disgustingly ethnocentric and makes me embarassed to be an American.

I believe that some marriage brokers are out of control and reckless, possibly causing harm to some men and women. They need to be regulated, but certainly not in this way.

Is it even legal to make people disclose arrests that didn't lead to conviction?

Oh, PS... If you have a restraining order put against you.... You're kind of nuts...

American says:

As for the disclosure requirements intended to protect these women, I see no problems...provided all men intending to marry in the US are required to complete the same disclosure requirements. If she isn't a facist and believes in equal treatment under the law, she should have no problem with this. After all, any man accused of a misdemeanor should be barred from marriage, regardless of where his spouse is from. Based on her faulty logic, such a law protects women and benefit society as a whole.

This is the danger of people like her. They support laws based on emotions and not on a facts-based analysis.

Dick Renegade says:

Hey all. I'm back from Holland. The Cannabis Cup was awsome this year. BTW, I used to run a Filipino mail order bride and personal introduction service from 1996 - 1999. This legislation didn't surprise me at all. Back then we were featured on '60 Minutes' as post colonial slave traders.

This law will not affect anyone accept American ISP's. Couple will never tell the INS that they met through a marriage broker or through the Internet. Subsequently, to dodge compliance, mail order bride business owners will simply move their hosting overseas if they haven't already. Big deal. Unfortunately, the problem with this law is that it is completely unenforceable. You can't force a foreign ISP to close a site and you can't easily pursue infringing foreign individuals. If the US really wants to get rid of the plethora of mail order bride websites, they will have to tackle this like internet gambling, where the US recently passed a law forcing the credit card companies to decline all credit card transactions with known gambling houses. I doubt this will happen with the mailorder bride industry because unlike gambling, mailorder brides, or marriage brokering, is not illegal. If they extend the credit card blocks to other areas outside of gambling and it does not hold up, it will weaken the governement's position on controlling internet gambling. It doesn't matter how rowdy law makers think Americans are with their mailorder brides, they will never let this come anywhere near their precious internet gambling issue, where billions are lost to Canadian, South American, and English gaming houses every year.

I welcome this law. Since it is unenforceable, it is not going to hurt anyone. At the same time, it makes the lawmakers happy because they can say they have a law in place that addresses the issue and they have demonstrated that they are doing something about it. This completely moot law could end up serving to protect mail order bride operations by discouraging the creation of future legislation. No one actually wants an enforceable law?!? hehe

BTW, don't have any fears about customs blocking your marriage when you apply for a temporary resident alien permit for mail order bride. They will always ask if she was ever a prostitute and the proper answer (unless she has a foreign prostitution conviction) is a resounding "NO". Who in their right mind would answer YES, unless there could be a verifiable document trail? The same goes if they ever started asking if you met through a marriage broker or an introduction service - JUST SAY NO! Who would ever say YES? Why? It's easier to say you met in a bar while on vacation, spent two incredible weeks together, had best sex of your life (remember to over-embellish this point and even more so if you detect that it personally offends your interviewer - MAKE SURE YOU GIVE UNWANTED DETAILS - Be modest, but drop line like: The first couple nights were a bit rough. We had both been drinking heavily, so I had some trouble keeping an erection, but it was alright because I was able to compensate with my mouth, etc etc... Make sure you cap this with a line like: is an outstanding women. She is strong, passionate, a good listener, and it's the first time I have been with a women where we were clearly connecting on the same level...), and we decided to take our relationship to the next level by getting married and moving to America.

heheh Good luck all.

Paul says:

I fully agree with pay as you go. I too would probably have topped myself if not for Thailand, where the women have not grown balls like here in Oz. Read any feminist writing and replace the word "man" with the word "jew" or "black" and the nazi ideology that feminism is becomes even more obvious. Like many Americans Canadians and Brits a lot of Aussie dudes are wising up and going to Asia, where the future is and where a man is not treated like a criminal for being a man.I lived 2 years in the wonderful country of Japan after my divorce from a fat greedy stupid Aussie pig.There Western expat women are virtually all without a boyfriend, nearly all who go there to teach english soon lose their western boyfriends to a sexy Jgirl. Japanese men have no interest in them except for a one night fuck, the Japanese man stoutly maintains traditional values and feminism does not exist in Japan. In Japan a "feminist" means a man who likes women, a playboy.

faatm says:

American ,
I hope you really didn't mean it when you wrote

"After all, any man accused of a misdemeanor should be barred from marriage, regardless of where his spouse is from. "

"Accused" means just that , it doesn't mean a person was actually guilty. In these days of the feminist rule it is VERY easy for a woman to accuse a man of numerous hideous deeds ,and with the stigma that's attached he will carry it with him the rest of his life , guilty or not.(As a matter of fact in most eyes he is guilty until proven innocent)

And as for the misdemeanor , well all I can say is thank Buddha you don't make laws in my country.Nobody should have to pay a permanent debt to society for a minor wrong doing . When I was younger I used to love having the odd puff of weed , does that mean I should be barred from having the partner of my choice??
Where I come from EVERYONE has the right to a fair go.If you have been merely accused of something in the past then I think it is none of anybodies fucking business ,especially big brothers!!
If you have been guilty of a misdemeanor EVERYONE has the chance to turn their life around and have someone who brings happiness to their lives.
With all due respect Sir what you wrote was utter fucking bullshit.
And no I don't have a criminal record..

American says:

faatm,

I was just trying to point out how illogical her argument was. Of course I think it is ridiculous that an accusation of a misdemeanor must be reported.

faatm says:

American ,
O.K ...just check'n

SlowJoeNY says:

Fortunately the IMBRA does not prohibit us from keeping our mail-order bride barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
Despite Bonnie Erbe's sour views, our fine traditions have been protected.

Lestat says:

IMBRA And Scorned And Vindictive American Feminists

I want to inform modern American feminists of this new reality: most American men do not want you. They do not want to date you and they certainly do not want to marry you. Do you know why? Because any relationships with you pose too much legal and financial risks to American men. The enormous risks of divorce and financial insolvency that men face when they marry you is no longer justified by paltry (often minimum) rewards that you bring to a marriage. Thus, you are being scorned and ignored by a growing number of affluent American men who prefer more feminine and traditional foreign women who offer youth, beauty and loyalty, the qualities you lack. These men realize that by marrying foreign women, they incur lower risk of divorce and greater probability of successful marriage and happiness. Therefore,... many of you will never marry or have children... you will end up like one of your own, Maria Cantwell - old, un-married, completely childless, living with mommy... You need to understand that by depriving and denying your biological instinct to create, love and nurture a family, modern feminism has created a royal road to oblivion that ends with your emptiness, bitterness and despair. Whatever traits or value you carried in your genes will stop with you. No children, no legacy... When you die, you truely die.

A growing number of men now make no apologies for rejecting any modern feminist women. The enormous risks incurred in marrying an American feminist are simply not justified by minimal or no rewards that these relationships bring. An American gentleman now has to walk through a minefield of risks including false abuse claims, financial bankrupcy (from divorce), and denial of child visitation rights. Thus, any intelligent and self-respecting man would reject this modern feminist paradigm of marriage.

Grunt says:

Well, in the overall Hegelian Dialectic that utilizes Communism and National Socialism, we ultimately see very little difference at the upper stratum.

Hitler? Stalin? Cut from the same tyrannical cloth, methinks. Enter the bastard child of feminism. Looks good on paper, eh?

Fortunately, David sees this for what it is. Mrs. Erbe is indeed a glassy-eyed cultist, worshipping before the abattior of "the goddess".

We men are the chosen sacrifice.

The good news in all of this is, when oppressive social constructs reach critical mass, there is an orgy of nonsensical lunacy...then, the crumbling cacophony.

Hitler ordering Eastern Front Wehrmacht troops to burn each village to the ground before the relentless Soviet onslaught. The advance continued...Berlin burned.

Or, Gorbachev deploying the dreaded Black Berets to Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia in the hope of preserving Moscow's hegemony. 1991 came...the wall fell.

Fast forward to 2006. IMBRA becomes law, open calls for a moratorium...

Me? I sent an email to Erbe, in that I urged it to continue its current path. Post more articles. Become even more nonsensical. Express yet more lunacy.

Now, its only a matter of time. I got a bowl of popcorn and a 6-pack. And a foreign wife, of course.

thaihome says:

Gee David, I feel real bad that my post don’t impress you. I guess you are too busy reading the 5,000 word show-off vanity laced epistles and condoning the death-threats of other posters to appreciate my innocuous little posts.
Just admit it. You just can’t take a point of view that is diametrically different than yours. Of course, you can always just quit publishing my remarks. I wouldn’t put that past you.
You really should think of renaming the site. Out of the 10 articles on main page, 4 are part of your personal crusade against J. Galt, 2 are blatant anti-women (the last 2) 2 school boy toilet humor, and 2 on Thai women (one of which is best described by one of your readers” “She looks like a computer generated character from a Japanese movie”. I really did the “me pretties” article, but I guess that level is hard to keep up
Maybe Ihatewesternwomenandandanyoneelse
thatseesthingdiffernetthenme.com would be a good start.
See ya…
TH

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Hi Thaihome

["Of course, you can always just quit publishing my remarks. I wouldn’t put that past you."]

I don't delete critical remarks. Sourpuss that you are, TH, you're in a better position to verify this than any other contributor to this forum.

Regards
David

PS. I don't hate anyone either.

tingtawng says:

"Heaven is having an American house, a British car, a Chinese cook and a Japanese wife.

Hell is having a Japanese house, a Chinese car, a British cook and an American wife."

Bollocks - it's a well known fact that if you want to be celebate, marry a Japanese woman. If you want hot sex three times a day, DATE (don't marry) a Japanese woman. Big fucking difference.

(I have bitter, bitter experience).

And...a British car? Are there any left???

tingtawng says:

I think it's remarkable and rather romantic that western men like to indulge in such exotic beauties - often it is the differences that attract the men, not just the obvious beauty. It's the foreign-ness - the contrast - that attracts western men to women from completely different cultures.

Western women? Well I guess it's flattering that, despite 40 years of complaints against western men and radical feminism, it's true that western women are still very much interested in dating and marrying western men.

Is it their lack of ambition that prevents western women looking abroad? Their lack of imagination? Of courage?

Or is it from the bitter experience of being utterly ignored when last in SE Asia that turns a western woman against the idea of dating these foreign men?

It's flattering (as a western man) to contemplate the fact that we are sought after around the world, and have such a large choice of women to date and marry - and this is certainly not wasted on western man's varied taste in women.

Western women shouldn't feel too bad - take my advice: just as Thai women do (in my experience), treat western men as your equal, not a doormat. Lose some weight, lose some attitude. Before you know it, you might even find yourself attractive to one or two men! My advice is free, but hard to follow - especially after watching Oprah having consumed a tub of ice-cream - both are bad for your attractiveness.

I have to conclude though that the future for western women isn't looking good - what with the ever-stronger feminist laws turning men against westernised women and marriage/having kids with them, and the stark contrast of Asian/foreign women offering stable family life with obvious physical and mental health benefits to men.

camuschula says:

I don't get the hostility towards Americans women, especially by the Americans. Don't you guys have mothers, daughters and sisters? Would you call your mother, daughter or your sister a cunt?

By the way, the only guys I hear complain about Western women come from three countries: US, UK, and Australia.
Indeed, there are many fat cunty women in those countries, I do admit, but I don't believe the entire West has been tainted, yet.

Gotta love Mango Sauce, however. The place where all Thai women are whores, all Western women are cunts, and all the men have the charm of Cary Grant and the looks of Pierce Brosnan.

buriramboy says:

haven't been reading this site for long, but a website i think you will all enjoy is nomarriage.com a bloody good read, in fact i think someone should forward this thread and the nomarriage.com site to the lovely miss erbe.
Buriramboy

Tiny says:

I would like to hear any comments from my friend's russian imigrant wife who supported him through 8 months of unemployment and speaks better English than most of the rednecks making up the state in which he lives. Sometimes I wonder why I immigrated to the US. But when I think of it it's not that much different back home in Europe. The only difference is that in Europe everyone is xenophobic, and in the US it's mostly just the neckage (say 70%).

Dicer says:

I wonder Grunt... while you frolick around Hegel melted like cheese on toast did your Ukranian bird egg you on to send an email to this hag. Because I'm ever so curious why you've been doing a lot of spotting lately...from websites about women who hate men, boy molesters and now this. A bit of an agenda perhaps..... Fred's Superman reduced to a whimpering idiot and the female doggy peeing on him? Let's dwell on the evils they have wrought?

Saw a funny documentary about western men who marry Moldovan women....this London cabby got himself a 19 year old Moldovan cutie and he married her and now they live in Dagenham. Six months on they interviewed him and he goes something like, " she cant even do the f****n dishes mate...know what I mean, she cant f******n do no shopping... f*****n hell man. ..but she is somefig in the sack mate...." You know the mouth on those cabbies and the barrage of double negatives....

...

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/11/
27/headlines/headlines_30020046.php

The woman they interviewed here is some fat old Chiang Mai uni hag looking for a farang suitor. It says "In the eyes of feminists, Romyen sees Internet brides as a 'reproduction of patriarchy'."

Now no lib arts teacher in a Thai college, much less in Chiang Mai would say that..... so this is a small case of some Nation writer being creative with the sociology dictionary..... funny though.

Much of this do it yourself marriage merchandise is really a sign of the ages.... as I keep saying the post mod meltdown....make your own reality... you go to the website and choose the nationality, the looks the price and you go to collect.... but are you going to be the pack leader and train the merchandise is the question?

Dicer says:

Maybe this woman is an evangelist church goer too. As is obvious racism is in the marrow of the bone of the true believer. Why, the hatred of blacks and other races comes straight from their Special Book; Black or brown, with or without whitening cream, are forever inferior to white and deserve whatever ill fortune may come their way is the message. The fact that some behave charitably means, often, that their prejudice is at so deep a level that they are not aware it is there at all. At the subconsious level is the thought.. surely they're ok as maids and servants but as wives? Presumably, we have to live forever with this enervating race war, set in train by the the blind believers and their many hatreds. The supreme irony is of course, that the very same believers gloss over the patriarchal rage of the Special Book at the thought of women ever usurping man's place. Confound her.

There is also the untested fuzzy liberalism of the mother who exhorts her kids to be nice to the black folk next door and when the son one day brings a Thai girlfriend after the holidays she freaks out. Mother nature and her messy mixings...

American with Japanese Wife says:

tingtawng is absolutely 100% correct.

When you date a Japanese women, you will generally have sex 5 times a day and she's usually a blank slate that you can mold into the perfect sex partner. However, if you get married to a Japanese girl that will all turn to shit. This is particularly true if they have a professional job. You will quickly find that they spend 12+ hours a day at work. You will likely only have sex once a day on Saturday or Sunday. When you do have sex, you will find that your Japanese wife suddenly follows the unspoken and demoralizing rule that "once you pop, your short time is over."

If you want a clean, somewhat compliant, impressionable lover, then by all mean DATE a Japanese girl. If you marry her, all that will go down the toilet and you will be subjected to the standard rigors of the Japanese marriage.

There is one plus side to being married to a Japanese woman: They have an institutionalized sense of marital caste. To further clarify: They know what their place is in your marriage. You can use this to your advantage. If you tell her what you want, she will generally - and sometimes begrudgedly - go along with whatever you propose. Generally, Japanese make very accomodating wives and if you express a strong desire, they will let you live an unconventional marriage without putting up much of a fight.

My wife is Japanese and she allows me to have sex with other women as long as I wear a condom. She does not wish to know about these women or my encouters with them. She has just asked politely that I stay safe to the best of my ability. In addition, she has even asked me in the past if she could offer me to one of her girlfriends who was having sexual difficulty with her husband. In a short discussion they had, her friend expressed how unsatisfied she was with her husband's performance and my wife expressed how happy she was with my performance. It was t this point my wife came to me and asked me if it would be ok for her to offer me to her friend for an encouter.

I have to admit that I felt a bit awkward being asked that question. I felt like I was on the spot. At the time, I had to pinch myself and take the safe route. I told her that I would be willing to do it if it was a single girlfriend, but not one that was married because I didn't feel that it would be fair to do that to her husband behind his back. Six months later, her friend cheated on her husband with another Japanese guy. She ended up losing her job because they caught her using her job as a excuse to stay out all night with her lover. Shortly thereafter she left her husband and moved in with her new boyfriend. Two months later she found out that her new boyfriend gave her HPV. There are 50 strains of HPV of which two are considered high risk for cervical cancer and she got one of those two strains from this guy.
Now, she still lives with the guy because she is basically financially dependant on him and lately she's been talking about marrying him within 6 months. It's the whackiest shit I have ever seen and I am 100% glad I stayed out of it. I have to admit I was tempted because the girl is one of those tall, skinny, hot Jgal types, but hindsight is 20/20. Her ex-husband is a nut and her life is a fucking shambles.

The best advice I can ever give you: Don't get fucking married unless you have some reason to do it. Good reasons are:

1.) obtaining visas/immigration papers
2.) qualifying for tax deductions
3.) utilizing a family medical/dental insurance plan
4.) avoiding taxes on spousal estates, death benfits, or life insurance
5.) she's rich and you want her money (some people may call this disgusting, but who fucking cares. You'll be the one passing their shitbox car in your Porche. They can frown all they want at your rear license plate.)
6.) You want to elevate your position within her father's company (See previous comment)

If you find you are getting married for one of the following reasons, I urge you to stop yourself before you make the stupidest move of your life:

1.) you love her and she wants it
2.) you got her pregnant and you want to do the right thing
3.) you feel like it's the next step for your relationship
4.) your parents are urging you to get married
5.) you want to start a family (good god - this excuse indicates a deep sickness that only decades of professional therapy may be able to reverse)
6.) you beleive that by getting married it will make your relationship stronger (This is called the "down-in-flames" excuse because the couples that generally get married for this reason are already on the rocks and they think that getting married will fix their problems)
7.) you want to capture her because you possibly fear that she will leave you (I have seen many friends pull this stupid move. It generally ends in divorce within 2 years.)
8.) you want a big wedding (some people actually get married just for the sake of marriage)
9.) marriage is part of your culture (fucking lame)
10.) you were recently divorced and you want the stability of being married (fucking lame, but common)
11.) you want to sleep with her and she wants to be married first (JESUS CHRIST - FUCKING RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! Insane, but true. This still actually happens in our society.)

Use your head folks! Don't get married for stupid reasons. People don't have to be half as miserable as they make themselves.

Paul says:

In reply to the poster who said all the guys whinging about Western women were from Oz UK or USA, in my experience Canadian women are just as bad, while I conceed that Helen Reddy and Germaine Greer were from Oz the most bigoted and stupid feminist I ever met was a Canadian english teacher in Japan.I think she ended up getting a job as a government censor or something because she got a job offer back in Canada and left the school real quick. How this inane smalltown nazi ever lasted a year in Japan is beyond me, although sexy looking and young she had no boyfriend there gaijin or japanese.
Kiwi men probably dont write in and complain because virtually every young man who saved up enough for the airfare has now left the country. Kiwis have a saying
"a fool and his ticket money are soon parted" like scotsmen, kiwis have a reputation for not liking to waste money, thus feminists tend to steer clear of them, since few kiwi men own a house kiwi feminists move to Oz to snare a homeowning man.

faatm says:

American with Japanese Wife ,
You are a wise man !!!

Ernesto Ortega says:

ACTUALLY - "HEAVEN" IS FINDING A CLEAN TOILET AFTER A CHINESE MEAL.

AND YEAH - I LOVE THEM JAPANESE BOOBIES.

E.O.

Pants Elk says:

It's SHOUTY ERNESTO!!!!

Know a quality tailor, Ern? I'm in the market for a nice bit of suitings ...

Ernesto Ortega says:

IT HELPS P-ELK, ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS HIS HEAD UP HIS ARSE.

NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THE BOOBS?

E.O.

Pants Elk says:

I was thinking, I dunno, a nice slub silk, no vent, three-button deal? No pleats in the pants, no cuffs ... know anybody who could run me up something like that?

Dicer says:

American with Japanese Wife ,

A lot of what you say is right on the money. After years in Japan what I found encapsulates the Japanese frame of mind to a certain extent like the Thais' is called ROLE PLAYING... which is a common feature in Asian and Latin culture. The male has a role to play and so does the women. The problem with western men is that they dont play roles anymore. Conversely, while western women assume equal status and further wish to attain control they dont like the role aspect and drop off once they taste control and realise that there is a heavy price for it.

A good case re cross cultural role playing is the Japanese geezer in Thailand who doesn't have the same articulated ego issues as a Western man does. He usually knows exactly well what role is expected of him and you often see him and his mates with the knockout tarts. Japanese have been trained since childhood the roles they have to play in various groups like school, family and workplace hence it's only second nature to them. Once, in a Chiang Mai supermarket I saw this oyaji geezer with the most drop dead gorgeous local tart pushing the trolley in front of him and she obviously had been trained which items to pick up...his rice, produce, drinks etc and he followed from behind admiring the arse he'd tuck into later.... For the western man the most likely scenario would be the man pushing the trolley and a disrespectful tart loose in the shampoo aisles.

Anyway over the next few months I got to know him and asked him how he got to keep one of these cute tarts much less make her behave well. Of course the cuter and more desirable the tart the more she's given to caprice and "arom sia" (broken mood) syndrome. He simply said give her a structure, some basic rules, a salary and she works just fine. Now my Jap acquaintance knows that the best deal is always the chao mia (rental wife) deal where you agree basic roles she performs and what she expects of you in return. At any one time you can gently terminate the contract and move on. What I even find enjoyable to watch is how much self respect these old geezers show. If her folks or "brothers" show up to freeload he knows it and has created the boundaries, is not going to resist, but will work out a mini budget for their Chang and food without losing face. He's still the boss though. No one sits in his chair and he can order them about to go get stuff etc. And when time is up they have to leave. When he's with his mates she does not interrupt with silly requests or by making loud obnoxious calls to her mates. Or if she does it means some "down time" for her. Another Nihon colleague has married an Issan looker and he split his house in two, even the kitchen...half is for her tribe and half is his only.... she knows when and what is expected and she does it. Now to the deluded romance happy western misfits this may seem contrived, but not so to our role playing friends who can see the locals for exactly what they are.

It's no different to the dog psychology stuff I go on about. In order to fulfill both tart and yourself, you need to become the tart's calm, assertive pack leader. A tart that doesn't trust her man to be a good pack leader (role player) becomes unbalanced (if she was already unbalanced it means psychotically more so) and often exhibits unwanted or anti-social behaviour such as the desire to show you in front of others or perhaps simply poison your coffee.You can rehabilitate the unbalanced tart and deprogram her from her tricks. For that to happen though one has to train oneself first to better understand how to see the world through the local tart's eyes. Like the knowing Nihon geezers you can calmly, assertively, and consistently give your tart rules, boundaries and limitations to establish yourself as a solid pack leader and control unwanted behaviour. In Thailand this has to extend to her family as well who'll have bags of tricks to sabotage your work.

Regarding Japanese vs Thai tarts one would say that the Japs are usually well behaved and polite and dont display as much outward pack hostility and cunning as the mutant tarts do. Besides I'd say Nihon tarts relatively have better maturity when it comes to mental age. The adult age for a Thai woman is 26 yo; The Nihon tart can reach it a few years before.

Eniac says:

"For the western man the most likely scenario would be the man pushing the trolley and a disrespectful tart loose in the shampoo aisles."

Classic Dicer. Had me in stitches.

philH says:

Dicer, one of your best posts yet. Short, sharp and to the point. The piece picked up by Eniac is pure, unalduterated wisdom. Hands up, fair cop guv, I've been there and done it all.

I see them here in KL, the guys with their wives, farang and asian, carrying the sprog in the back pack or pushing the baby buggy. Wife striding purposefully carry nothing but the obligatory bottle of mineral water. Man, the hunter gatherer reduced to pack mule - neutered.

Used to see them in LOS, big strapping lads reduced to gopher level by their western "ideals" and the manipulative lbfm's.

Durga is my homey says:

“'Guys are sick and tired of the North American me, me, me attitude.'"

I don’t think men who marry foreign women are all looking for some submissive push-over, but when you consider how MOBs are marketed (eww, I cringe to say that) on those sites it casts this guy saying “North American me, me, me attitude” into a more “I’m buying a woman over the internet because the ones I meet do not make everything about me” light.

Did anybody actually read the Act instead of somebody’s opinion on it? I’m reading through the Act (IMBRA) looking for foreign brides being “banned”, or the concept rallied against, but I don’t see it. Not only this this act non-gender specific, but it targets internet *brokers*. It doesn’t presume “all foreign men are abusers” (though I cannot account for what any supporters think in their heart-of-hearts), it assumes brokers may be too interested in “pimping”, so to speak, to care whether somebody may have a history of criminal abuse.

“Yes, the new law is hassle. However, it ONLY applies to men trying to marry a person they have not physically met in person from the internet or other mail order bride media. It does NOT apply to men who meet their future wives in person while outside the country.”

Correct. It applies to women doing the same, as well.

“No wonder the divorce rate is going through the roof.”

The actual divorce rate is some 42% in the USA. Most couples cohabitate.

Also, it looked to me like there were plenty of considerably non-feminist Republicans supporting the Act. It also raises my eye-brow that this woman is called a “feminist” considering her Immigrant scare-mongering and tinfoil-hat tax talk as those are generally restricted to the right. Unless she is one of those so-called Conservative “Concerned Women for America” who call themselves “feminists”.

Anonymous says:

I'm a 32-year old white American male with an athletic build (Just saying because I’m not some homely ugly guy who can’t get a western woman - no, far from it). I spent my all of my teenage and twenty-something years dating arrogant, money-grubbing, rude, conceited sluts who will only marry a rich guy - some will only date a rich guy, and some won't date or marry at all because they are obsessed about their careers. Some will date you until they find a richer prospect, then dumpy your ass when they find him. Some then spend their time clubbing, fucking strangers and dating or marrying none. Many have 4 children from 3 different men and either collecting welfare or child-support from the baby's daddies who have absolutely nothing to do with them. I was at my wit’s end.

Then I met a girl from Thailand on the Internet (not a dating service, not a mail-order-bride – just finding friends via everyday instant messengers). College educated, loyal, and loving, she was everything I ever wanted and we have been married and living in the USA for 2 years. She makes me the happiest man alive - a mutual thing. I'm not rich at all, but I found marital bliss with a girl with a goddess of a body, who demands little other than love and respect, which all I was every trying to give to western bitches for years – and they all turned down!

Sorry, western girls, I've come to terms with, are mostly overweight, self-absorbed, money-chasing whores. I suggest that they spend time in the east, to both learn from eastern women and maybe supply a need to Asian men. I noticed that many Asian men love western women (including my wife’s friends both men and women, but here I’m speaking of them men to make my point) and ask me to set them up with western women. The guys can have 'em! But they'll soon learn that the western women are only good at extracting money from wallets and giving misery in return, they'll quickly realize they have a good thing at home. The good-looking western women are under 25, yes… but it isn’t that simple. They lose their virginity at 12, full-blown sluts by 18, are sexually burnt out by 22, fat with 4 kids from 5 guys by 26, won't marry any guy that makes less than them, and hate and resent ANY man; rich, poor, skinny, fat, tall, short… any and all!

Sorry... my 28 years of dating and wanting a western wife was over as soon as I met and married an eastern woman. And I tell that to every struggling single man I know that are out there frustratingly dating the multi-child sluts-seeking-a-cash-cow and leaving with nothing but anger and depression. I’m not a woman-hater – far from it. But I am a feminazi-hater. IMO, they ruined western women, and made women, men, and children all terribly unhappy in their wake. God hopes they never reach the east… or the whole world will be in trouble.

And one final note: Yes, there are great western women. And each and every one of them is scooped up young and happily married to a happy man – for life. A guy knows when he has a good wife. The rest are arrogant, racist, money-seeking feminazi bitch burnt-out-whores like Bonnie Erbe.

Dicer says:

"Used to see them in LOS, big strapping lads reduced to gopher level by their western "ideals" and the manipulative lbfm's". - philH

ahem ahem.

A fitting epigram is hard to find even for zeta gerbils who don't feel a pinprick of humiliation when silly tarts ask them to hold their bags in the supermarket.... reduced to something handy for batting up flies.

The worst I saw was in Big C. A huge mustacheod kraut and his puny Buriram lass had deposited their chubby toddler with defocused eyes inside the trolley and they were effing this and effing that to each other unable to decide which latest plastic shoes they should get for the tart. The toddler was surrounded by cans of tuna and packs of glass noodles. I did a quick erase and proceeded to the nuts section.

Dorothy: "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

Grunt says:

“Yes, the new law is hassle. However, it ONLY applies to men trying to marry a person they have not physically met in person from the internet or other mail order bride media. It does NOT apply to men who meet their future wives in person while outside the country.” - Durga is my homey

I think this falls into the "camels nose under the tent" category.

Or, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions", if you prefer.

The core element in all considerations is the assumption that western females have the best interests or anyone, other then themselves, in mind.

That would be a very unwise assumption.

Durga is my homey says:

““Yes, the new law is hassle. However, it ONLY applies to men trying to marry a person they have not physically met in person from the internet or other mail order bride media. It does NOT apply to men who meet their future wives in person while outside the country.” - Durga is my homey”

That was not my quote. I replied to it saying, “correct” and pointing out it wasn’t gender-specific. Lesbian, hetero-sexual woman, gay man? All apply.

“The core element in all considerations is the assumption that western females have the best interests or anyone, other then themselves, in mind.
That would be a very unwise assumption.”

Though I’m sure every Bangkok sexpat are grade-A sexy, intellectual, completely non-shallow Adonis completely blameless in everything that went wrong in their lives (real or imagined) and acting in the best interest of sick children, the under-privileged, the elderly, and abandoned puppies, this is a feeble and irrelevant statement. The Act applies to marriage brokers through the internet venue. The “race” of anybody involved is incidental, making the Hitler and Nazi mention even more lazy than it already is.

If you’re going to play in the Victim Olympics, at least knock off the FOX News hatchet jobs on the facts.

tingtawng says:

Dicer, I didn't see these savvy Japanese men actually in Japan - maybe the smart ones leave Japan so you see the misrepresentation of J guys in Thailand.

I spent 3 years in Japan, and most of the married guys were obviously under the control of their wives - explicitly in terms of doling out their wages to the wife (who is THE head of the house-hold - no mistake) while she gives him back a meagre amount for lunchtime soba noodles. And implicitly when you see them steal a look at their wives when you ask him to turn up the music in his house or open up another round of beers (it's always the case where the wife's permission is needed implicitly). And the contempt Japanese women have for their men - it's the regulation conversation between J women to slag off their men, whether they deserve it or not.

When it comes to retirement, his wife is likely to divorce him since this will be the first time they are forced to spend time together (likely they will have spent the previous 30 years as virtual strangers).

Give me a lovely Thai women any day of the year.

Grunt says:

"If you’re going to play in the Victim Olympics, at least knock off the FOX News hatchet jobs on the facts." - durga is my homey

Nonsensical (and suspiciously dicer-esque) ramblings aside, I cordially invite you to leave the fate of your future relationships in the hands of Bonnie Erbe and her ilk.

Anyhow, hey TINGTAWANG, lets hear some more about the state of marriage in Nippon. Makes sense, at least at face value. Japan is very westernized, aint it? Post some pictures as well.

Dicer says:

"I spent 3 years in Japan, and most of the married guys were obviously under the control of their wives - explicitly in terms of doling out their wages to the wife (who is THE head of the house-hold - no mistake) while she gives him back a meagre amount for lunchtime soba noodles."

This is the alienation thing. However Japan is a very very male society although the females give it all the visible cultural gloss. Males have to be strong leaders, providers and good at playing roles... of course most of the Japs I know in Thailand (unlike western men) do like Japanese women, but find them beyond their means. Also the men who are in Thailand have graduated from the rigours of Japanese social life which compared to Thailand is very demanding. So what you say does have a basis in fact, but remember that a Japanese women with kids and a husband to provide for them has very little redress outside the nuptial walls. You even look at the law in this regard and it's shockingly backward.

"it's the regulation conversation between J women to slag off their men, whether they deserve it or not."

The female pack closing in is all. It happens everywhere.

Dicer says:

Oh, and dont forget says Wally the CyberPod. "Give me a Thai woman anytime." Wally the Pod then injects liquid aluminum into the back of the cortex of a nice mutant girl whose eyes then roll like those on a Christmas toy. On a brain scan he watches as the silver flowers into where once had been stacks of Let's Eat The Pig Farangs epidose, vaults full of revenge, and then a few dusty programs with nuptials up in smoke.

The mutant tart has been way way overanalysed, the conclusion was made long ago...a nose good for doing and out the door..... once the gerbil menagerie get their temp down to the right degree and regain vision they see that anything else is madness. That conclusion is cast in stone and no amount of exfoliation will make it fade.

Common Sense says:

Grunt,
I too live in Japan although in a different capacity than tingtwang since I am in the Marines. I would definetly not call Japan westernized. They are decidedly more modernized than most asian countries but westernized they are not.

As far as marriage goes, it seems neither favorable for a man or woman to be married in this country. Woman are often victims of domestic abuse here and have no qualms over taking the abuse. They also turn a blind eye to their husbands infidelities(although this is a plus on the men's side) and usually only speak up if the other woman shows her face around the house, or the affair becomes public knowledge.

Tingtwang is correct when he says the woman often controls the money at home and feeds him a pittance of an allowance.

I would say the blowjobs here are the best in the world though but the sex sucks. You often have to teach the bitch everything unless your satisfied with her just laying there. Thank god there are plenty of Filipinas around though. They make the place a bit more tolerable.

Grunt says:

So, the Japanese men can shag any young lady they choose, so long as its kept on the QT.

And the wife keeps order in the home...plus dispenses blowjobs when needed.

Hrm, maybe I shoulda joined the USMC instead of Army.

Dicer says:

Grunt...do you think Adolf Hitler is reincarnated into one of these?

http://www.sidmouthherald.co.uk/sidmouthherald/
news/story.aspx?brand=SMHOnline&category=
news&tBrand=devon24&tCategory=
newssmh&itemid=DEED05%20Dec%202006%
2014%3A09%3A43%3A623

I liked this rapture, sounds like just you talking: "Then I saw my first donkeys, in amongst all the traffic in the middle of this busy city. I just couldn't help but shout out 'donkeys' - I was so excited!"

Should probably continue like.... " and then I realised that behind those donkeys eyes were the spirits of Hitler and Stalin. I took some pictures and screamed "feminism!"
...
"They also turn a blind eye to their husbands infidelities(although this is a plus on the men's side) and usually only speak up if the other woman shows her face around the house, or the affair becomes public knowledge." -Common Sense

The Jap men humping about hypothesis - although you'd see most of them dreaming about it while flicking porn mags in Lawson, buying up dirty pants or dribbling on the nylon skirts of hostess bar tarts - is here common fodder for gaijins who don't know Japan beyond the lice riddled kogiarus of Yokohama, the noxious substances spouting out of Kabukicho brothel ventilation shafts and the unhealthy company they find in places like Gas Panic in Rippongi. Oh, throw in the swarms of silly slappers hovering about Yokuska, Ginowan and Camp Butler. Shit on sticks I'd say... and one becomes a suave cultural comentator! pha! The hard fact is that most young salarymen or factory workers neither have sufficient money nor skills to manage the legendary affairs they're known for. The all too visible fact is that Japan's nationwide sexual frastration is channelled into a vast array of anime fantasy consumed between bouts of groping office ladies on trains, as evinced by members of countless Chifure Clubs ( a contraction of otto chikan friends or train groper friends) out there. I wonder if some arsehole would pop up here to recount stories of brave groping on the Yamanote line.

Here is a song on the subject.

http://www.pliink.com/mt/marxy/archives/
000424.html

Dicer says:

While we're on the topic of Japanese women....

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/
20061115p2g00m0dm040000c.html

Apparently what they’re talking about is something called Persistent Sexual Arousal Syndrome. Women in Japan call this “Iku Iku Byo,” or “Cum Cum Sickness.” I think Dr Tanai Kwai's father who had a precocious expertise in the field of priapism and nearly lost the op to be Dr Pfizer could make a contribution here.

Common Sense says:

Dicer, Dicer, Dicer.
We'll I'm from none of those bases you mentioned and about 12 hours south of Tokyo. I don't know how things work up there in the big city where you uppity folk rummage around for a fresh piece of gash but I do know my area and a good portion of the lower half of Japan. Jap affairs are quite the common thing around here although train groping is not since they are never busy enough to allow one of the pervs to get away with it. Don't try to judge an entire country off the little bit you've seen. After 3 years here living with these people I've got to see a lot of the behinds the scenes shit that westerners are normally privvy too. Then again the radiation in this area may have the locals acting funny.

Pants Elk says:

Hi, CS! It's me! Just tapping out a little note here with this rubbertipped stick attached to my forehead.
I'll lay off, okay? I'll dangle no more snidely superior comments in front of your nose just for the dismal fun of seeing you rise to the bait. It seems that what I write about/to you gets you mildly irritated (whatever), and I really couldn't care less what you write about me, which has been pretty nasty. But I'm blessed with enough indifference to offer you some, too.
If we ever meet up in BKK, I'll be pleased to buy you a lady drink.
Pax, OK?

tingtawng says:

Japanese women are ultimately (if you're going to marry them) as bad as marrying Maureen O'Dowd (she of the "are men really necessary?" infamy). They don't have feminism in Japan, so to speak, but they have gynocentricity. Men are bafoons and disposable (in the accepted eyes of the media and law courts of Japan) and women are cool sexual entities the bafoons are seen to continually chase (giving females the advantage, and also the moral 'high ground'). It's bullshit. If you're a man in Japan, you're a total second class citizen - worse: you're officially not a second class citizen because of popular doublethink making you an oppressor of women. It's the same fucking deal you get in England and other such countries. It's fucking bullshit.

That's why Thai women are better any day of the year.

Grunt says:

Well, ting, if Japan dont have feminism in theory, its seems its there in practice.

Id have to agree that LOS would be preferable to Nippon on that account alone.

Common Sense says:

Pants Elk,
I think you miss my point here. I have no qualms about engaging in a pissing contest with you, as I know I have the bigger dick. Just keep it to one thread if you would. Beings this is the 5th thread you've followed me to this week alone, I'm begining to think you have a crush on me. I'm a bit homophobic so let me spell this out for you since you seem to have taken me literally. When i say "I love you long time" its not a proposition. After your offer to buy me a lady drink upon meeting up in BKK, I'm now more convinced than ever that you are an obsessed stalker trying to lure me in close enough to slip me a rufee and have your way with me. Now since we've cleared the air you can go spend that 500 baht you had set aside for my narcotic laced drink and buy yourself a nice well hung ladyboy. I'll be busy paying your mum another visit.

Liu Bei says:

Just a couple of observations on what Common Sense said:

Common Sense said: "I have no qualms about engaging in a pissing contest with you, as I know I have the bigger dick."

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the size of one's bladder more relevant to a pissing contest than the size of one's dick?

Common Sense also said: "Beings this is the 5th thread you've followed me to this week alone, I'm begining to think you have a crush on me."

I don't know Pants Elk, or you, and barely follow this website but from where I sit it doesn't look like you're being followed, as Pants Elk and a lot of others tend to show up pretty much everywhere. However, feel free to escalate the pissing contest between you two--I'm desperate for entertainment since the Stickman/STalkman saga fizzed...

Pants Elk says:

"Common Sense" - if you'd chosen your name for its ironic resonance it would be forgivable.
But given that irony is not exactly your thing, you could, and should, have chosen any of the following names instead:
Vanity. Pomposity. Stupidity. Racism. Misogyny.
Don't get me wrong - sometimes these can be good and valuable qualities. Entertaining qualities. Not in you. You're a bore.
I only do this one-to-one thing with you because I like writing and reading my own comments. In fact, I'm having them made up into a nice quilt for you.
Your constant testosterone-fuelled dick-swinging is a sure sign of someone fundamentally uncertain of his sexuality. A self-loathing created by denial of your gayness would account for the vitriolic hatred of women (even the Asian "pussy" you claim to appreciate) and exaggerated "maleness" expressed in many of your comments. Please seek out professional help with this issue.

Oh - and you can't count, either.

(Reads back through post ... adds give-away speling error ... yep, I think that's about it ... bye!)

Dicer says:

CS, I lived in Japan for many years and still work there regularly. Jap men and women in the wierdness dept. are made for each other. It's the few seasoned old geezers who've managed to escape to LOS with retirement money or a business I am focusing on here.... most are bosses or in good jobs in the many Nihon companies in Thailand. The rest and esp the younger twits I have little to say about except perhaps that I used to see them sleeping on dirty floors in Kao San guesthouses or have dropped out to smoke bong, walk barefoot, and play didgeridoos in places like Pai in Northern Thailand. There is actually a so called Nihon village there.

In the Phillipines you'd hear so many horrible stories of Japs fleeced dry and left to rot by the Pinoy tarts they loiter around the embassy grounds for food and a return ticket.
All stories have a certain amount of variability of course, but the perv, groping etc stories, even if exceptional tend to underscore a totalised view of life in Nihon. And what totalised view is that...One is that of alienation and the other is absurdity. Two topics I find inexhaustable here in LOS especially when looking at Saxons and village tarts, mail brides, walking ATMs and vast hooker factories, not to mention the way they run the place.

For instance in another thread this daft Waldo husband protested that his wife is a super duper clean girl from a respectable family in bkk ( father is boxing promoter he says...calls the father "Sir" ... hahaha)... also added that it took him 3 years to get into her pants (chortle)...now Saxons back home are asking if they can do her.... an absurdly pathetic uxorious situation wouldnt you say...oozing right along into nothingness. A wild mix of overzealous Saxons and halfwitted village girls...the time warp starts to sound like a musical show played by Lawrence Welk on acid...whamo whamo and out come the rabbits dancing in aluminum saying they sneer at fire. Waldos you must admit have an excuse..their hormones are in flux...one day libido up and the next estrogen is up and they are now nice old ladies. If we blame hormones, then we hate chemicals and turn our backs on our lifetimes as alchemists. All these people sloshing their chemicals around in their own dementias takes one's breath away. You start to long for just one, just one normal story but noooooooooooooo we are in the zoo aren't we. Normal is no deal from the moment you cross over this air space. So this turns out to be a kind of half hell with asbestos rabbit grill, bbq sauce and some sticky rice. Maybe yes in Japan the rabbits have radiation and no asbestos and they don't go to the altar straight away but come out in all sorts of other wierd behaviour.

Nihons have this rigid conformity which gives a gloss of normalised behaviour beneath which lies a cesspool of filth and a stock exchange in soiled underwear. If you marry one of them though it does not subject you to the same hooker factory treatment like in LOS. After all Nihonland is a well functioning country with smut just a sideshow. LOS however is something else.

Re Japanese women, I knew this Bengali guy who has his own business in Tokyo. Married a looker office girl despite massive objection from her folks. Once she had two kids they turned around, but what does he do. He sends her to Bangalore to stay with his parents so that both kids and her would learn Bengali language and culture. Says by the time they're 5 they can return to join school in Tokyo. This of course gives him the op to shag around when she's not there, but that's besides the point. The point is that he's pulled off what superalphas find hard to do; make her submit totally to his will and provide all the rules and boundaries for her. Another yank mate has married a cute Osaka college grad and on the surface they look ok, but he says now she's so insecure that she cries when he even looks at other girls. A third guy also a yank has this wonderful fiancee who works in the same office as him and is liked by all. He discovered one day that on Thursday nights she worked in a Gotanda soapland washing oyajis and giving BJs. As I say there is variation in each story.

Derukugi says:

Dicer,
can you name the Gotanda soapland?

Grunt says:

"Dicer, can you name the Gotanda soapland?" - Derukugi

Just give him a minute to google it, no worries.

Adam says:

The Price We Paid for Betty

What happened to our women-folk ?
Can scarcely find a score…
I look around for lady-like
But all around are whore.

What happened to the feminine ?
Now marketed in scam…
Her charm and grace once no disgrace
In past beguiled a man…

My partner now? Oh ,news to me…
So now I see the point !
My equal too, we both get screwed
The Marxists run the joint…

What happened to our women-folk ?
John D’s “Studies” like a rash…
Destroyed their souls and ate their hearts,
Their mind’s so full of trash….

Oh Femin-ism sounds esteemed
Until you look beneath
The Fascist source hides something sick
Distorted they bequeath.

What happened to our women-folk ?
Titanic’s men did save…
The children too, in Honor’s name
Took Chivalry to grave…

“Destroy the Father and his home!!”
“Religion and life’s wonders!!”…
The lies, deceipt, and vicious hate
His family’s torn asunder

What happened to our women-folk ?
These lesbian affairs…
And childless wombs, their sins entomb
A filly ne’er a mare !

President Mason laughs aloud
While Satan guides his plan…
For time eternal he leads young Eve
To darkness, straying Man.

What happened to our women-folk ?
She’s now a corporate slut…
Convincing me and selling you
“People-kind was in a rut ”….

“And this is progress !!! “
Oh I see ….your daughter’s on display…
University porn in last month’s school paper
Of “Why you should be Gay”

What happened to our women-folk ?
Our marriages went South…
She said “I do” to the IRS
The hand that robs her mouth.

Equal -“ID” it sounds so fair !!!
Your microchip or mine?
Satan smiles… he wants her soul
Her rape it was no crime…

It was a plot, enacted slow
A millenium of plan…
It constitutes no crime of passion
But planned destruct of man…

The Lord of Roth he lent his tender
His biddings and his deed…
The plots revealed in countless wars
Upended righteous creed.

What happened to our women-folk ?
Mystery Babylon come to pass?
I dare so not, the truth’s inside
A degenerate ruling class

Who was Betty ? Did she love you?
Your womanly charm and grace…
Or a hired gun to destroy your soul
Destruction in its place….

And who is Eve?
Her monologues they titillate and rave
And play on scars of wounded girls
No father’s love could save…

Marxist Angels who so lovingly
Offer up their tender care…
They teach you gals independent lives
No children left to bear !!!

Have you heard of a little thing
“Eugenics” sounds like fun ??
Another of John D’s affairs
He’s glad you’ll help him run….

Could it be that Eve and Betty
Might be on the take ?
And you’re the victim and the tramp
They just left in their wake….

What happened to our women-folk ?
I’m asking you to say
Why did you do it? Who will you blame
For the way you act today ??

You slaved at work, you’re home alone
Your Tivo’s your best friend….
Sex in the City, and Desperate sluts
Tucked you in bed again….

Don’t turn on me,
I’m just a man
Your equal in every way
You wanted this, remember that
I’ll see you Judgement Day.

Bettye has parted
And so we are justly Friede
But live in the aftermath and the desolation
Of her sickness and deed

A violent tyrant and tramp she was
And a husband beater at that
Mr. Friedan came forth with the truth
When the two of them came to spat

What happened to our women-folk ?
Will they listen, will they heed…
And cleanse themselves of this virulence
And her Marxist-Feminist seed

The price we paid
For Betty’s words of hatred
And of scorn
She broke the back of John Wayne’s horse
Left the women-folk forlorn…

- Anonymous and Bewildered

Derukugi says:

Grunt,

I asked because Gotanda is not really a soapland area. There is a lot of snackus, BJ bars, Este and love hotels in Gotanda, but the only soapland I have seen there is a dingy little place that does not really deserve the name.

Dicer says:

Derukugi,

I have no idea what the name is. I'm talking around 2000 time. And Gotanda had a few sleazy soapland places then, none of which would admit gaijins but the geezer did his investigation anyhow and found out. They used to be near one of the back alleys behind JR station... a few others near the Toko Hotel. As you know things in Tokyo change fast and I havent been in Gotanda for a long time. Not much that would interest me there anyway.

Grunt, I did actually look at an online map to accurately answer his question and you are a certified tit, a saggy one at that.

Grunt says:

Derukugi, you misunderstand me.

My question was simply a rhetorical wink in dicers direction.

I dont expect clarification to rambling steam of consciousness literary diarrhea that would do a 3 year old proud.

My statement is witnesed by the simple fact that the David (webmaster of Mango Sauce) makes the original (and correct) reference to the Hitler-esque Zeitgeist being foisted upon America by Bonie Erbe and company.

Yet who is the object of dicers unhealthy obession? Who does dicer follow around like a lost 3-legged puppy? Who is dicers *true* pack-leader? Why, little ole' me of course!

So lets all get a bowl of popcorn, sit back and watch dicer continue her ongoing deconstruction. Its the train wreck you cant stop watching.

Dicer says:

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the size of one's bladder more relevant to a pissing contest than the size of one's dick? - Liu Bei

Just like the phrase "taking a piss" it's customary - appropriate in this case - to say that Common Sense is piss-proud, which I think would refer to him probably having an erection when waking up in the morning, something usually attributed to a full bladder... maybe after getting tanked with Jap brew and not visiting the bog. His pride would be here an obvious pun on his feeling of satisfaction from displaying that early morning urinary strength to Pants ... all at the risk of pissing on the new quilt supplied him by his admirer. What would follow after that between said parties I wouldn't know.

thai guy says:

" I suggest that they spend time in the east, to both learn from eastern women and maybe supply a need to Asian men. I noticed that many Asian men love western women (including my wife’s friends both men and women, but here I’m speaking of them men to make my point) and ask me to set them up with western women. The guys can have 'em! "
-anonymous

this is very true, we asian guys love farang girls.

for this reason alone, i can't understand all the comments and stories(on Mango Sauce) about farang girls being lonely, in east asia.

all i know is, single farang girls in east asia, is quickly snapped up by asian guys. this could be a one night stand, a bf/gf relationship or marraige.

farang girls may have trouble getting a farang bf in east asia, but they are certainly not lonely in east asia, if they don't want to be.

Common Sense says:

Dicer,
Your insinuation that i would get pissed drinking Jap brew has crossed the line. I do have standards when it comes selecting a beverage and the shit here just don't cut it.

Dicer says:

Common Sense, point taken. The few times I drunk Jap brew I got nothing but headaches.

Grunt, rhetorical wink my foot! you're getting a tad ahead of yourself talking about pack leadership. First get done with the self flagellation with the Hitler Donkeys..

You're just an object of amusement like everyone here and my words aimed at you should really dissipate into the ether not cook your neurons.

ta.

Grunt says:

"farang girls may have trouble getting a farang bf in east asia, but they are certainly not lonely in east asia, if they don't want to be." - thai guy

We are all entitled to our opinions, but I must insist that facts be presented to support this perspective. This is not directed specifically at you, thai guy.

There is no shortage of websites (such as this one) that cater to western men exploring possibilities with non-western ladies.

All things being equal, please show me the opposite number that focuses on western females seeking non western men. Or at least a webpage of foreign men in the market for a western female.

If this phenomenon is so prevalent, we should be able to find dozens of URL's in short order. Maybe some pictures? No problem, right?

Otherwise, Id have to say its a very small niche market that is merely trying something different. Whereas western men tend to consider this something of a lifestyle change.

At this point Ill invite dicer and her many MANY alternate nom de plumes to babble incoherently, ad infinitum, thus forcing everyone to wade through a sea of horse shit to get to any truth on this subject.

All with Davids blessing, of course.

Pants Elk says:

I'm drunk right now, so I'm contributing nothing to this thread.

Pants Elk says:

"western men exploring possibilities with non-western ladies ..."

I think this as nice a euphemism as you can expect to see here. Or anywhere.

mds says:

If you want to marry a Thai lady you met on the net, do not sweat IMBRA.

There is a specific exclusion for websites that only supply a profile, and do not specifically charge you to contact her personally.

IMBRA was sponsored by my own State Senator Maria Cantwell. She is a feminist bitch. She paid a research company to find the rates of abuse between foreign brides, and American women so she could have some ammunition to convince other politicians to vote with her.

Imagine her suprise when she found out that both the rate of abuse, and the rate of divorce for foreign brides is lower than that of native marriages. Somehow that study was never advertised.

This whole thing was Maria Cantwell licking the twat of the feminist's here to get some support. The other (male) reps supported her so they could have an issue they voted for to advertise to sway the "womens vote".

Christ politics here make me sick.

Regards,

mds

PS - Building an investment income to live somewhere else.

Grunt says:

Great post mds, I found some of those INS statistics, but not the survey cantwell sponsored. I think Ill google that to see if I can dredge it up.

"I think this as nice a euphemism as you can expect to see here. Or anywhere." - Pants Elk

Lets cut to the quick. Once western men figure out that, contrary to the feminist zeitgeist, we are indeed the top of the food chain as potential husbands, a whole new world of opportunity opens.

Liu Bei says:

Grunt: "Once western men figure out that, contrary to the feminist zeitgeist, we are indeed the top of the food chain as potential husbands, a whole new world of opportunity opens."

A good confabulation is a beautiful thing, isn't it.

Pants Elk says:

Grunt, I'm not sure if you like/dislike my quote, but I'm totally in agreement with your comment after it.

American with Japanese Wife says:

Here's a recap of my week with my Japanese wife:

Monday: My wife came home at 9:00pm, ate, and went to sleep. I stayed up until two watching tv before retiring to the couch.

Tuesday: My wife came home at 11:00pm, ate, had a small discussion with me about my desire to have a vasectomy, and went to sleep. She has been on birth control for 6 years and I suggested that per our agreement, to never have children, that I would be willing to get a vasectomy. She happily responded that it was a good idea and that it would free her from taking birth control.

Wednesday: My wife came home at 7:30pm, caught the finale of America's Next Top Model (which is fucking unbearable, yet seems to attract Japanese star fuckers in droves). I couldn't stand to watch the damn show, so I went out to a bar & grill, had dinner and carried on a long conversation with a lady bartender friend I have known for years. At about 11:00pm I came home a bit tipsy and finding my wife already asleep I crashed as well.

Thursday: My wife comes home from work at 3:30am. THIS IS NOT A TYPO. God, I hate the Japanese work ethic. We end up on the couch since I was still up (cronic insomnia) and I explained to her that I had done some research on my pending vasectomy in order to find a reputable doctor and figure out what it would cost with our health insurance plan. THIS WAS A DISASTER. She started crying. She had pulled a complete 180. She was now saying that maybe in 6 or 7 years, she might want children. Fucking fantastic. Several times, she said to me: Maybe you will change your mind and eventually want to have children. I repeatably insisted that we have been together for 6 years and we have always had a standing agreement to NEVER have children. WTF is this shit?!? I was able to end the bullshit by explaining that I felt mislead by our conversation previously in the week and that I would not get a vasectomy unless both of us were comfortable with the idea. IN return, I explained to her that if this is what she wants, then she has no choice except to stay on the pill. No exceptions. She agreed, the sobbing stopped, and I was able to get some sleep. Fucking pissed.

Friday: My wife comes home at 6:00pm and we fucked for 4 hours. It pisses me off that she's completely unresponsive during the week because of her fucking job. She's paid to work 8 - 5, but the Japanese work ethic drives her to work until late into the evening. After screwing me, we talked about how she came home at 3:30am the other day and I suggested that since she has to be there at 8:00am anyway, maybe it would be better if she just stayed there. It wasn't an angry expression on my part, but I don't think she got the sarcasm. She actually thinks it's a good idea.

Saturday: I w