10 ways to keep Thai bar girls happy

Porkswordsman says:

The comment about Thai TV is unfair. Many nights I sat mesmerized by MTV-Music style shows; - 3 lines of skinny haughty 18 year-olds. Up front, the lead Girl in blu satin hot pants, second row 2 girls in orange satin hot pants, 3rd row 4 girls in green satin hot pants....all with orangey-pinkey-blonde dyed hair artistiscally slashed and styled with off-centre wispy strands floppy every which way. And that wonderful subtley sluttish make-up lavishly applied to the eye-socket area. Soundtrack.....ne na ni nah...ne na ni nah...ne na ni na ne na ni na - and so on and on in to the early morning..... MAGNIFICENT !

DICK HEADLEY says:

Excellent observation Porkswordsman. The hot-pants! The hair! Such singing and dancing is TV at its very best IMO. Second only to Cambodian music videos. The boy and girl strolling through an idyllic village, pausing to pat a buffalo or marvel at a lotus flower. Such scenes can melt the most cynical of hearts. DH

TANAI KWAI says:

Spot on, Messrs. Swordsman and Headley.

GodDAMN I love to watch these Thai variety shows. For a special treat have your young lady accompany you to "Hollywood" in Pattaya to see these dancers live. There are also some unspeakably gorgeous dancers in the cast of Phuket Fantasea, but I can't imagine enjoying that particular spectacle more than once (there's only so much elephant crap one can take).

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NICK says:

I DONT KNOW WHO HAVE WRITTEN THIS PIECE BUT I LOVE THIS GUY ITS SO ACURATE AND FUNNY

Andrew Fox-Russell says:

"if you don't have UBC, you are doomed"

So not the case. Even though YOU have spent the required minimum to get a hotel room with UBC, your girl will flick straight to the Thai channels, and keep watching well after you've given up and gone to sleep! I sometimes think its one of their ploys, just like when they tell you they are too drunk.....you'd think they would want to watch the latest news on BBC world, wouldn't you?

Johnny says:

For a long term girl, buying her a phone seems to keep her amused for at least 4-5 days. (~6000). The jealous looks on the other girls faces in the shop is also priceless.

She can also download her favourite songs for 30 Baht at the internet shop.

She can show her friends the latest features.

She will even sleep with the phone tucked under the side of the pillow.

Good mileage for sure. But could also be a big distraction.

If you want to freak her out, hide the phone, the next time she is in the shower. The look on the face for a split second is priceless too. Of course she'll work out who hid it in less than 2 seconds, and come at you with claws extended. Never stand between a Bar Girl and her phone, it could be dangerous.

Trying to get the remote off her is one way to upset her, wait until she has a shower to be safe.

Ok I admit it, I'm a sucker, at least I'm happy.

Pete says:

hahahahahahah the tenth way is so awesome

jimbob says:

give her 200 baht so she can get her hair washed and dryed at the saloon before you go out for some sea food! (this also gives you a coulple of hours free to get a soapy or a short time!!!!

steph Moore says:

This is fucking disgusting!
iv never read anything more demeaning and demorilising in my life....
you phedophiles.....go get a real girl friend! Don't you have a concience?

The realist says:

steph moore:

mate if you dont like what you are reading, fuck off from the site and dont ever come back! I think it is friggin funny.

funnyasfuck says:

steph moore:

Fuck off and let us all enjoy these VERY true observations of Thai bar girls...

Johnny says:

Reality bites, my girlfriend has moved back to the country to look after her old mother and child. Unfortunately she had a motorbike crash, her 10 y.o. daughter on the back of the bike hit her head on the ground, the Doctor had to drain some blood from the brain. The slim-line phone in her back pocket at the time is no more and the "motorbike cannot". I bought a phone for her mum too, so I can still stay in touch. Her daughter will be ok now, and back to climbing mangoe trees and hula hooping in no time I'm sure once she is out of hospital. Sure we joke around, but at the end of the day we come thru to help them out, I'm sure most guys reading this would do the same for the girl they love. I don't know what she would have done if I couldn't pay the hospital bills for her, this is a real girl, I have a real conscience and we'll all be smiling between the tears at the end of the day.

Sarah says:

Is my husband of 40 years the only sucker to think he has found his "true love" with a Thai bar girl??? Sorry ex-Bar girl - 'cos she no longer has to work and is busy spending what was my pension money - no fool like an old fool - I just wish I had realised 38 years ago what a sucker I married!

philH says:

No Sarah, your's aint the first and sure as eggs are oval he won't be the last.

And it's not just Thailand. I'm working down here in KL with a 67 year old who's got a 24 y.o. "girlfriend" in the Philippines. Silly old sod really believes she loves him. He does accept that the money is a factor but is convinced it is real luurrrve!

Before you ask, for ten out of the twelve years I was in LOS I had a live in ex bar girl - well more a woman in her early thirties when I met her. I was happy, she was happy and the relationship was more than business (not sure about love). But in the end she invoked the clause "no contract = no money = no honey" and we split. Oh well, no regrets.

The final irony is that my new contract is paying well above the old one but patience is not a Thai virtue.

Paul Bennett says:

Sarah, what about the other side of the coin, what about uk wives who are treated like queens - only to rip off their husbands for upwards of 750,000 dollars, and then get everything else from the courts in the UK, we are left with little choice other than the asian option......................, please don't categorise it as always being down to the men, that is small minded.

Ben says:

Reading each of the comments here, it seems that 'respect' and 'money' are the two issues.

For an extremely poor women in a country where females are considered largely second class money is what they respect, as it will in turn give them respect.

Men of all races offer this opportunity because if you're pretty and female you can sell them your body.

Many men tell themselves its different, that 'this one' is special - so why wouldn't you buy her the latest gadget?

Its true when people say money can't buy you true happiness. When its only based on greed it can never be love.

But if that's what makes you happy, and you know that she only sees dollar signs, then respect her for that and appreciate how lucky you are to be wealthy enough to be here and do what you do.

old hand says:

Sarah .. it's so tiring reading comments from western women moaning about the LOS and that their husbands / ex's etc reliving their testerone charged youths by paying for sex with gorgeous and to all appearances willing young girls... The simple fact is if the roles were reversed and such a situation existed for women they too would be filling their boots as well ... lets face .. and sorry .. it's just plain old fashioned jealousy ! !

Baqngkokdai says:

Give her 1000 tbht and send her to MBK this guarantees you at least 5 hrs freedom and probably a small gift, remember one thing these beautiful creatures don't know what change is so whatever you hand over that's the cost! still a damn site cheaper than most western chunks sorry chicks that I endured before coming to live here

steve says:

good piece. I can tell you from both sides of the coin that a Thai bargirl is 100 times cheaper than an American wife. When was the last time you bought your thai gf a Jaguar. I bough one for my THEN wife. What was the last time you bought your thai gf a diamond?

Should divorce happen, look out and you are DAMN DAMN lucky to get out with 1/2 your money and 1/2 your sanity.

With a TBG you know what you are getting from the start. You get out what you put in as long sa you follow these 10 simple rules ha ha ha.

However ... love ... we all need it and you won't get it from a BG. Ever. But that doesn't mean I am going back to American women (or UK) either.

Stay safe all.

Grunt says:

The desperate protestations of the defenders of the status quo types aside, (read; dicer and her many sub-accounts) American INS statistics prove that American-Foreign marriages have a 30% separation rate vs. the higher American-American separation rate of 70%.

Adding to Steve's wise comments, we see the cold hard truth that if love is indeed doomed to fail, why waste time with a fat neurotic western female when you can waste time with a LOS hottie for 1/10th the overall cost?

Dicer says:

This greased pig from the Iowa fair is having nightmares about me.... snorting uncontrollably.... bless.

Grunt says:

"You fat loser men just cant handle a real woman!" - western female

"This greased pig from the Iowa fair is having nightmares about me..." - lady dicer

Cut from the same cloth, it would seem.

Dick Renegade says:

I only support single moms. You can keep the 18 and 19 yo's. They are a pain in the ass.

Johnny says:

Fluffy stuffed toys.
The cuter and larger the better.
Don't worry about the roses, the fluffy toys are what really gets them gushing.
You might even have to get 2, one to represent her and one to represent you.

Bill says:

Sarah,
I noticed you said he is spending "your pension". If he controls it and he earned it, wouldn't that make it "his pension"? Unless your daft enough to have been the breadwinner for 40 years and give him money to spend on his TBG. So I surmise that what your pissed about is that he has started spending his pension on what he wants and this has reduced your share of the money that you never earned. Why don't you compromise and go to LOS with him and hold the camera while he shags his 18 year old sweetheart. Then ask him nicely to cough up 200 baht so you can hire some young thai ponce to do you. He will probably hold the camera while his TBG gives him a back rub. Doesn't that sound like a better solution?

Ben says:

I was seeing this 25yr old bar girl/hooker last time i was in thailand, she lived with me for a month i never paid her for sex once, we didnt go out drinking every night and the only thing i got her was a pair of 20baht earings. I ate for free at her bar and was allowed to bring in sangsum from 711 and other drinks to the bar if i wanted. i didnt have much money and she stayed with me, she even told me that i should forget about her and not stay in contact with her since i wasnt coming back. so it goes to show that not all bar girls are the same.

Andy says:

But cheap-arsed panhandlers are usually all the same, eh?

Dicer says:

The issue: IT'S ALL DOG SNIFFING!

It is situational. So you stayed attached like a hilum to one of these mindless hookers. Is she sniffing properly?

For starters here, we are all pretending a bunch of completely awful people are OK. Of course the mutants are a lost cause and the aliens they attract are equally low level. In a way it is birds of a feather. The scum heading up to hookerland and the tarts fit together.

And sniffing wrongly becomes thematic.

For those whose cultural references are limited to Nana and Patpong it happens in bars where the girls dive for the homeless and avoid the slightest hint of money. She avoids the guy in suits and fall madly for the construction poundman. The disparity is sooo strange. The more smellier, ruder or one foot in the grave geriatric the merrier. Or is it?

Can the mutant sniff at all? Or do you have to show a Jazz or a Beamer instead of address or accent to be considered important in her world. Sure. Still live in a bug infested chinese shophouse, use that as collateral to buy a Beamer and that will show a local off. Not education or accent or address. The Swiss doctor is a loser in Patpong and the jordie dustman the winner. It's encapsulated in a cash deal so the social standing for romance game is often unidimentional. Unless you're talking about real social class and dowries etc, which for the befuddled foreigner is anthropopopo....

So dont get to uppity Ben.....you have noooooooo idea how lost they are.

TANAI KWAI says:

"Convictions are greater enemies of the truth than lies." And Dicer, your sanctimony is built on a mountain of convictions.

You are so cocksure of your every errant thought and theory I doubt day-to-day reality even figures anymore. When is the last time you ever met someone for a beer?

Now spin like a top.

(winky)

philH says:

So let's get this right.

You come to LOS for a month and spend the entire time with a slapper so near her use by date she'll take a chance with the payment terms.

When you do go out you eat for free at the tart's bar and buy your drinks from 7/11.

And your thank you gift was a lousy 20 Baht pair of earrings?

A right fucking live wire you are, talk about life in the fast lane! No wonder she said don't try and keep in contact she was probably thinking "please Buddha, rid me of this fucking kinneo".

BG's that shag for free, and there are a few, do it as an investment. An investment with considerably better return than 20 fucking Baht.

You don't say where you were staying, wasn't the Khao San road was it? No, even backpackers aint that cheap charlie.

Dicer says:

The question is how low is low? Scum saxons don't know where the bottom of the barrel is because they've been told there is no barrel...only money accounts...but it happens to others....

And for the tarts how clueless does she have to be to have it written in the Job field on the ID card?

THE PRINCE YUGALA CASE

Prince Yugala had a dream..when his groundskeeper in a bkk palace had a daughter, the prince took close watch. Eventually he rather adopted the child Luk Pla (baby fish), raised her..made videos of her and said she was the best a.... he'd ever had. When she's 24 he married her. One day Luk Pla wandered outside the royal compound and met a guy selling chestnuts. It was love at first nut. They planned to kill the prince of course and poisoned him. Not sure about the vendor but Luk Pla is still behind bars. Every year they do a story on her when she asks for parole.

Now Luk Pla ran away with the 19-year-old nut seller and have a son.....

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/
20020220/world.htm#6

In a way this is about trying to tweak reality. It looks like you have sartrean free will so have a shot at it.

Chicago Pete who comes from a loaded patrician family married an Issan cutie and took her to Chicago to a life of maids and margaritas, 6 months on she'd run back to a bkk soi slum to live with a motorbike taxi guy...same old same old.

How about the silly dop who invited 3 nurses to Tops for a coupon dinner and they showed up 6, insisted on pizza hut and ran up a 3,000 baht bill...the point is, you can't fool reality!

You can only fool yourself. Any normal human would step over this category of merde mutants... and they know what they are. Don't stick your finger in and if you do don't be surprised that you have hit merde. What did you expect? Would expect to eat armadillo and have it taste like NY steak?

Another befuddled foreigner: "Wul shucks, nobody done never told me about them armadillos...I mean they's meat ain't they? I jus can't get over them tastin like pure cow s...... geez why didn't nobody done tell me? ah shucks...."

This chap serves as a polymorphic value to steer the reader into the right denial sub category: redo -> reload dogma -> get hit -> denial -> redo......

Looper says:

Good on you Ben, these grasping hookers need to wake up and smell the coffee. Jeez you go to all the trouble of flying over there I reckon they should be paying you 20 baht.

American Woman says:

I can get hot young men whenever I want. South America or Africa, anyone?

Objectification is universal.

john says:

ihave met a bar girl in pattaya one year ago and have been in touch text e-mail and have been over three times recently dec 06 sent her 25.000 bath a month and bought her all furniture tv fridge for her apartment and also paid for an extension for her parents house but this time all she wanted was more money she is a lovely girl but its all about money guys be careful

ozricdan says:

john..........

you met a girl in pattaya and you didnt know what she was......

well, whoopee fucking doo, how long did it take you to work that out.

err about the time she fleeced you to furnish her apartment.

so sad..................!

ozricdan says:

no 10 is so true..

met a girl in phuket and after a few days together she said can i go look at some gold so i said sure honey of course why not after all its up to you.

inside the jewellers she looked around and she said i like this one, so the salesman takes it out and we inspect it closely the girl then asks to try it on, she looks in the mirror and says to me, yes yes i like it too mut and i said ok, would you like to have it and she said OH YES YES PLEASE.

so i looked at her, pondered, looked at the salesman, looked back at her, pondered again and replied, ok you can fucking pay for it then.

i then promtly walked out of the shop.

the next day i also left patong beach...just in case you know!

but what fun!

ps. it really is all about the look on thier face that makes it so funny.

Prufrock says:

Ozricdan: Absolutly f*cking perfect!

I had a similar swircheroo pulled on ME by a BG during my first visit here.
We'd been having a pretty good time for a week or so. I was a f*cking rube, for sure. (Only slightly less of one now.)
We were sitting in Patpong's Camelot Castle (might have been called something else then) the gals were hot mid-to-late twenties stunners . . . and not at all shy about proposing threesomes.

I must have been drooling a bit.
My gal flashed a smile as cool as a blenderdrink and murmered "You want have two lady?" New to the whole "testing" thing I stupidly complemented myself on having chosen this more seasoned companion and her on her ingenuity.
Anyway, I must have showed interest because the next thing out of her mouth was, "Ok, then. You need to take two from here and give me taxi money."

Prufrock

Prufrock says:

American Woman: I can get hot young men whenever I want. South America or Africa, anyone?
Objectification is universal.

I could not agree with you more nor do I have ANY objection to your joy or your obvious delight at having discovered what men over here have known for years.

And those who first defined this fuzzy notion of "objectification" and then declared it a crime (Susan Brownmiller et al.) were a horrific pack of steaming Deisel dikes.
Just take a moment to look around on the street in the downtown business district of any Western city at all the misery they've caused.

Enjoy yourself.

Prufrock

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
This doesn't happen often, but I couldn't agree with you more in this instance. Your reply to American Woman is spot on.

Prufrock says:

Common: "My heart sores like an Eagle"

Chief Dan George

Bandersnatch says:

My cold sores like Zovirax.

Prufrock says:

Herpes, the gift that keeps on giving.

Prufrock

terry20 says:

well reading your bit on thai girls watching game shows is true i thought i was the only person this had happened to well written and def the truth keep on writ n mate good 1

Robin Hood says:

The 11th way to keep a bar girl happy is to pay for her mothers hospital treatment.Or vet bills for the family buffallo.

Gisela says:

I can't help wondering whether any of you men have daughters, either still children or grown-up. If so, would you be happy for your daughter to know about your encounters with Thai girls, or would you be happy if your daughter was to become a bar girl herself? These girls are human beings, exactly the same as your daughters, and if the idea of your own daughter sleeping with countless men for money horrifies you then surely this must make you stop and think.

The reason this occurred to me is that a young woman I know used to watch Big Brother on tv and enjoyed seeing the inmates of the BB house make fools of themselves. But then my friend had a baby daughter and told me she could never watch a programme like that ever again because the thought that her little girl could grow up to go on a programme like that, with millions of people waiting to see her make a fool of herself, was unbearable. I know this isn't quite the same thing, but I do wonder how men with daughters feel about their these things.

Apologies if this offends anyone or if they think I'm being judgmental - I'm not, not really - just that I work with young people of various nationalities and like to think they all have at least the choice of a future of which they'll be proud and respected by everyone.

Pants Elk says:

Gisela, I understand your question, but it has little or no relevance to the men posting here who have sex with Thai girls. I don't think any western man would be happy to see his daughter getting paid for shagging countless men. In Thailand, whether you like it or not, it's different. Sex workers there are not as severely judged (if they're judged at all) for their lack of morals as they are in the west. Country girls often send money home to their parents, who mostly know what they're doing. The more middle-class university girls gladly boost their income with a bit of sex work on the side. Over there, it's just not that big a deal, and that's part of the attraction for western men, for whom sex suddenly becomes the easy, natural, fun thing it was supposed to be all along (before western women complicated it with "issues", such as the one you raise). And the girls don't suffer, either. A good time is had by nearly everybody nearly all of the time. This aspect often doesn't come across in writing on the subject (blogs or elsewhere). It's just more fun than we've ever had anywhere, ever. And it only becomes remarkable when we come home to the west, and we're confronted by a miserable, stressed, issue-obsessed female population (whether they're our daughters, our wives, our mothers, or our lovers) for whom career advancement (and, uh, "equality" - whatever that is) is way more important than - HORRORS! - enjoying femininity and the effect it has on men.
In Thailand, sex is a relatively well-paid business for girls who will stay in it a limited amount of time, and which can sometimes lead to marriage and financial security. In the west, the sex business is furtive, pornographic, exploitative, and unhealthy. Perhaps you should be more concerned about changing western attitudes than you are about educating us wrong-doing men!

Grunt says:

"I can't help wondering whether any of you men have daughters..." - gisela the clueless

The real question is do YOU have a father, or a brother, or an uncle that has been emotionally and financially raped, then enslaved by the "family court" tyranny at the whim of a feminist?

The very question exposes your brainwashed, cultist mentality that abuse of females is a crime above any other, but abuse of men is hardly worthy of note. Selective indignation is a classic western female flaw.

How many of these bar girls are dragged, kicking and screaming, into their fate in the same manner as a divorced father is roped into his?

Pants Elk says:

I know my "And the girls don't suffer, either. A good time is had by nearly everybody nearly all of the time" thing was pretty dumb. I was generalising from my own experience, and what I've heard from others.

Here's the other side of the sexworker's coin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6360603.stm

It's worth pointing out, though, that this "other side" is the ONLY side covered by the media. I believe the side of the story I talk about (the real "other side") would be even less acceptable for most western women.
I've yet to see a news item, or a documentary, or any media coverage at all, that shows the business in the light of having fun and turning a useful dollar. That *would* be news.

Alan says:

You know what they say about TBG's and Love...... If you want great sex marry a TBG, but if you want true love....Get a Dog.!!

LSW says:

I must agree with Alan. Grrrreat sex...but love...I'm not so sure. I had a wonderful 9 months with the same girl in KS. She was fantastic; did everything I wanted to do (and more). It was difficult to get her to understand how western guys feel about the love issue. Perhaps it is uneccassary since, as far as I can see, the love issue is usually an issue for western women who appear to attach some strange import to the (all too human) act of copulation for fun and not just procreation...a thing which sets us apart from the other animals of this world.

Pants Elk says:

LSW, "love" is only one of the issues they clutter up their sex lives with.

Commitment
Reward
Control
Equality
Exploitation
Rights
Demand/supply
Respect

... the list goes on.

Joseph says:

Thanks for the advice. i'm planning a trip to Bangkok in November..

Aldo says:

Well as someone who has been in Thailand several times (for up to a year at a time) and lived in many, many countries--there seems to be a little hiding on some facts:

1) Yes Western Men that cannot compete for the best women in the West go to Thailand, India, Laos, Philipines etc. They are too old, don´t look good enough, or cannot pay for women that want to be supported who also happen to be good looking and young.

2) Thailand is a country of prostitutes on all levels. The Taxi drivers are, hotel staff, apt owners, tour owners, bar girls, etc. They look at all farang s for what they can get out of them and nothing more. THere is no REAL relationship with any of them.

3) Men that think men should pay for women (as many have espouced on here) are just plain idiots. THey have already handed all power over to the woman and think that a woman has more value than they do. That´s a psychological fault, to say the least.

4) Western women that cry out that these women are not as valuable as a western woman: basically Western women have to face that they are always in competition with younger and better looking women. THey always hate younger women--because they know they played that game when they were young and the young always win.

5) Oriental Women do not have a concept of love for love. Don't pay for their family, etc and see how true they are.

I have had many a bar girl ask me what I pay for a girl or for them. I always reply what you pay me (to speak as they do). WIth their high pitched accent they always scream, WHy I pay for sex? I reply with SAME SAME--why I pay you. you don't pay me?

They have asked me why my European girl friend doesn't get money from me. ANd I have replied because she's not a prostitute, like you are! (IF you like looks on their faces, this one is a classic.)

Bottom line why would I treat a woman that I don't know like I treat my friends? When she won't do the same?

And I live by something the sex tourists cannot understand: I NEVER EVER PAY FOR SEX. And that goes for the long term US Variety where men marry fat disgusting bags that want houses and cars.

THe moral of all of this is that you should never give away your power.

john stevens says:

as a person that has been to thailand for over 20 years i cannot believe that you people think that these bar girls are any more than prostitutes, you go for a holiday and they take care of you for that period of time, it's work for them and that's it, any money you send them ie: motor bike accident, mother's sick bla bla bla is all extra revenue, they are poor peoeple who work for 150bhat a day, taking care of a big fat falang gets then 1000bhat a day plus extras, don't be stupid, you are the same as a big fat 45yr old arab in the west end of london. don't be a fool

Pants Elk says:

Thanks to Aldo and John Stevens for their penetrating, insightful and totally original posts. I'm just so grateful there are still men - I'm assuming they're both men - men of high moral standards - discriminating and truthful men, unafraid to stand up and talk the plain truth - men for whom the very notion of "paying for sex" is abhorrent - men who will boldly state their opinions no matter how asinine and off-the-fucking-point or bleeding obvious or just boneheadedly wrong they may be - like Aldo and John left in the world. Their words are as a beacon in the dark night of the soul.

john taliburton says:

I work for a foreign company operating in Thailand. We have about 40 Thai employees who are mostly age 20 to 28 and all uni graduates. About 80% of them are female. Their salary is 45,000THB per month. A very good salary in Thailand. The company clearly knows they are overpaying, but it is still incredibly cheaper than what it would cost to staff the business in a western country.

I have not met a single one who doesn't give money to their family.

Several of the girls I know still look for foreign boyfriends. Partly because they don't want to support a Thai boyfriend. But also many of them do it for financial gain. So these girls who can afford to eat at Fuji, and MK, EVERY DAY will still look for a foreign boyfriend. Why!? because they can use all of their money, buy gucci handbags, take holidays to Australia and the U.S, go drinking at nice clubs, all the while saving money to build a house, or open a business. If they have a foreign boyfriend it just helps them ascend the ladder even more quickly. A couple girls are building houses, and businesses. If they have a foreign boyfriend who has a house or apartment they can allocate 100% of their money to building their house, and they can still eat at MBK, and Fuji every day because they expect him to pay for it because he is man. And in Thailand man take care of lady......and lady take care of man. Tell me how many western women shag their boyfriends like Thai girls do.

But to them they don't see it as prostitution. They wouldn't dare date some backpacker or foreigner who doesn't at least have the same amount of money as them.

You could give every female in Thailand one million baht and their will still be a half million girls who will shag you for 2,000baht.

Mike says:

To think that there are so poor stupid guys that falls for that is sad. :(
Beauty is good but NOT everything.

ALDO says:

Nice to see the defense mechanisms have kicked in on those that HAVE to pay for sex. Pathetic.

Yeah, when I see a THai girl that is in love with an Israeli then maybe you can say it isn't prostitution.

And why not get a Russian instead? They are apt to be far more wordly (not ask where you are from only to ascertain if you have a lot of money) and far better educated.

And Thai women are not the best sex in the world. That clearly is some old loser stating that.

Because some of the posters cannot follos a simple pattern of logic: e.g., th whole culture is based on taking advantage of foreigners (something that would get you thrown in prison and sued in Europe or North America) then it follows (ergo) that the women manipulate and lie to achieve this end.

But contoinue paying for sex--and then raltionalizing how women have more value than you do.

Andy M says:

"You could give every female in Thailand one million baht and their will still be a half million girls who will shag you for 2,000baht. "
- John Taliburton
Priceless observation, many thanks

Prufrock says:

Aldo: Except for the Israeli thing, which had me on the floor in stitches, please tell me how this does not apply to all women?
Long term or short term makes NO difference here for I am sure you're prepared to tar long term relationships involving some financial help with the same brush. (And yes we all see the play, and on bad days agree with the dynamic of your criticism as far as it goes.) But most men would agree that "THIS is our job." We have to "furnish a place" for gestation and sheltering of progeny.

Either THAT or appear to, or promise to.
That's what gets her wet. Makes her think that her toad is a mensch, keeps her in the game.

Prostitutes, with their Johns, are just acting out shorter marriages than the ones that generated most of us.

Okay maybe your Dad wouldn't agree. But he's special.
To you.
As mine was to me.

Payment or extension of payment i.e. support and security (or indications, implied or actual) are the currency of all relationships.
For a woman to allow a man into her body their must be some promise of reward, security or appreciation. "Romance" mean anything to you?

This is basic Discovery Channel stuff, n'est-ce pas?. (By the way, that was humor. I mention that because except for the caustic stuff involving stereotypical Israeli backpackers who offer the same totemic rewards to their women your post was a bit tightly wrapped. And this IS an interesting subject. I'd like more information from you instead of a fight or a silly scrap.

Except maybe for the occasional "sport fuck" which we ALL appreciate this IS the play Aldo. And I have had a lot of pussy. LOTS. Here and in my country, France, and ISRAEL ;-)
But as I grow older these sport fucks become more and more rare. (But still, women are women and their curiosity must be satisfied.
If I'd only known THAN what I know now about the "magic" of a romantic setting (shelter) and a good meal (promise of sustenance) and a "little gift" now and then (that all important indication of future considerations) I'd have been able to fuck my way to Las Vagas and back and have gotten more pussy than Frank Sinatra.

That last line belongs to the unforgettable Ronnie Hawkins (to members of the Band, in the dressing room at Toronto's Hawk's Nest as he was proposing to them their first gig as the Hawks)

Regards
Prufrock

Telemachus says:

Aldo,
You sound like a bitter man. You argue against prostitution in one case, the Thai girl and then argue for it in another, the Russian one.

"And why not get a Russian instead? They are apt to be far more wordly (not ask where you are from only to ascertain if you have a lot of money) and far better educated."

Your arguement is more directed against poor/uneducated Thai girls than prostitution. You seem more to hate weakness (the weak often do). Perhaps you were burned by a South East Asian or have a superiority complex (easily the first sign of a dangerous, inferior mentality) You reinforce this idea by stating that:

"And Thai women are not the best sex in the world. That clearly is some old loser stating that."

This implies that you are young and seem to carry a bit of a grudge. Did you have an encounter that left you angry/hurt. It kind of shines through. In these cases a forgiving atitude is the best course to take. That way you don't turn into an evil, hypocritical, hate mongering, racist, monster.

Oh and thank you for the tidbit "it follows (ergo)", a triumpant display of education and intellect.

I also fail to see why Russian women would be far more "worldly".

Do try to stop compartmentalising people into your little "scheme"

"Yeah, when I see a THai girl that is in love with an Israeli then maybe you can say it isn't prostitution."

Why??????
Your preoccupation with race in unnerving.

"Because some of the posters cannot follos a simple pattern of logic: e.g., th whole culture is based on taking advantage of foreigners (something that would get you thrown in prison and sued in Europe or North America)"

Again you seem more bitter than objective.

With respect to getting thrown in prison for "taking advantage" which in the context of your statement, I take it, would mostly refer to the act of prostitution.

Prostitution is fully legal in Amsterdam and semi-legal in Prague (the law is not clear cut). Both cities are in Europe.

My favourite...

"But contoinue paying for sex--and then raltionalizing how women have more value than you do."

You seem more angered by women "having more value than you do" rather than the "paying for sex". You wouldn't by any chance be a bitter misogynist, would you?

Prufrock says:

Telemachus: You think Aldo might be a woman.

Andy: At the risk of appearing to gainsay a great original thought by Mr. Taliburton, I figure you're light on the number who'll shag for 2 thou' there, Andy. (Not to put too fine a point on it.)

That's just Bangkok alone isn't it?
Right approach and a few weeks to piss away and you have to ad another million or so, doncha?
If the signals re: cash and face I see every day are at all "in circuit" there's loads of puss here for the clean, well presented man about town with baht to blow.
There's a clear cut transaction in the air here.
Fucking pheromone tornado.

fbuom says:

Why pay for women?

Because it helps keep the terms of the relationship quite clear - it's a business transaction.

Once the 'free' sex starts, emotions start kicking in. That usually ends with someone getting hurt, sometimes physically, but more often emotionally.

Does that mean I agree with Dana's attitude? Absolutely not! It can be very enjoyable to 'seduce' a BG. They do respond to kindness. That can make an encounter better for all.

In my opinion, the guys who come looking only for 'free' sex probably do more damage than those of us who pay. The only way they can get it free is to imply promises they have no intention of keeping.

Of course, taking the emotion out, making it a business transaction is probably behind a lot of the outrage we encounter from the folks trying to save the BGs from themselves. For them, without emotional attachment, sex is immoral.

For what it's worth.

fbuom

Telemachus says:

Prufrock,

"Telemachus: You think Aldo might be a woman."

I know you are only joking. How the hell could that be inferred from what I said??? Now if you don't have a proper opinion to offer then piss off. Thank you. Oh how's the wife by the way?

Prufrock says:

TrollemallIguess is toxic only to himself. Either he's the chemical engineer in Europe he says he is or he's Dana. Like I said, toxic.
Truth hurts there, doesn't it, sad little fella?

ME says:

Personally everytime I have been in Southeast Asia, I have hooked up with ladie Tourists, not only is it free...Seems to be a plethera of them just waiting. ;)

Dodgierog says:

Firstly, Males , you are absolutly right and Ladies just remember who gave you the rights that you now enjoy in the west.(and who can remove them).
Secondly I will be visiting Siam soon but not for sex.In New Zealand Its legal almost as cheap, multicultural, and the ladies get the entire cut.Question: What is TBGs Cut.?( %).