YouTube banned in Thailand

AFR says:

Just watched the clip on you-tube.... it was mildly funny - just don't tell my wife that.

Joe the Laowai says:

"This video has been removed by the user."

Phil says:

I am not in Thailand but there is a proxy site which the Generalissimos may not have found yet:
http://youtubeproxy.org/

Derukugi says:

While Youtube insists on its right to insult a monarch who has not done any harm, they are quick like lightning to remove videos that critical of that "religion of peace", starting "i".
Hypocrits. Can you spell "Dhimmitube"?

Leon says:

Anyone with half a brain can figure out to use a proxy, proxies make you connect to the internet through some other computer in another country. Thereby "fooling" the internet into thinking you have a different IP address, an IP address situated in another country.

www.proxy4free.com

Go to this site, find a proxy representing any other country than Thailand and copy it.

On IE you then click tools, internet options, connections then go into lan settings and insert the proxy into the field there. If you have another browser you can do it with a slightly different method, you should be able to figure it out.

MrLucky says:

Nice summation of the story. Shot coffee out my nose thinking about the ICT minister blustering away on the phone with some Google peon. And, though it sounds like a joke, I'll bet you anything you like that is exactly how it went down.

fauxie says:

A new video has gone up. It's all very childish, but interesting to see how it goes down all the same.

Andy says:

Youtube's proxy server is still operational, but a lot of the other (free) proxy sites are being blocked right now.

I've seen the vid and I'm not sure what all the fuss is about?
Thailand seems unable to come to terms with the concept of free speech (however lame), and has given this clip some amazing free publicity by this stupid "top-down" blanket censorship approach. Like these inept dinosaurs currently running this country don't have more pressing matters to attend to...?

Thai girl says:

AFR
I feel sorry for you wife that he have a husband who fucking asshole

ArtTv says:

So does that mean that I have blank spaces in Thailand where I've embedded YouTube videos into
http://nanajournals.blogspot.com
??
ArtTv

[Yes. Large white rectangles to be precise - David]

DaffyDuck says:

The vid's been pulled (by user or YouTube), and another version has been put up by another user with an equally bad attitude. Seems, though, that this second user's name and specifics are known (if you traverse the comments on his page).

Sad state of affairs.

Geoff says:

Censorship issues aside, I can't see that video as anything other than poor taste, I mean, what could have possibly been accomplished by making and displaying it?

just for info's sake though, if you use a program called Tor together with Vidalia, you can access a proxy network that would be impossible to block....its available as a plug-in for firefox

Mac says:

And so a couple of puerile pieces of crap that would otherwise have languished in obscurity are instead catupulted into world prominence by over-zealous Thai authorities. Nice going.

In giving these idiots precisely the sort of attention they crave, the ICT's action is sure to unleash a wave of similar garbage.

AFR says:

"Thai Girl"... i'll amuse myself just for moment that you are either a Thai or a girl. When i'm in Thailand, I show all the respect required, I wear the yellow shirt on Monday, stand up at the start of movies, hell, i'm even wearing one of those lovely yellow armband as I type this. But sweetheart, just because I am married to a Thai, doesn't mean I have to care about her monarch 24/7, just like I don't expect her to care about mine. What's much worse, IMHO, is the Thai government's suppression of free speech, amoungst other things.

chris says:

oh fuck i was just going to watch some pattaya go go bars on youtube,why did they ban it?

Dave P says:

Use Tor. Not only will it allow you to get around hamfisted, blundering efforts at censorship, but it will protect you from the government's prying eyes - all dns request are encrypted, so the guvnor can't even know what you're looking up.

Protect your harddrive with strong encryption. Look at TrueCrypt.

Be safe.

jollyboy says:

Quote AFR -I wear the yellow shirt on mondays ,stand up at the start of movies, and wear a yellow arm band, he makes you want to puke don't he.I don't disrepect Thailands King , But I prefer a beer on a monday, Stand up to ' Land of hope and glory only, and wear the St george on my arm , and the Thai's dont seem to have a problem with it at all.

Errant says:

Somewhat lost amid the inability to have a look at some of the less sophisticated images and words of the world, is the fact that an adult in Thailand still can not access the link to a certain book published by Yale University Press (well, not access it directly anyway). An adequately researched book by a legitimate journalist, sufficiently edited and fact-checked before being put out by a legitimate publisher–it's not for you to know.

A bizarre feudal clique has accomplished precisely what it set out to do: infantilize an entire population. Well done. Not all that different from a neighbor's attempt to set the calendar back to year zero. In this case it just takes a while longer for the effects to become plain.

thai girl says:

I don't care whether you wear yellow shirt on monday or not
I just think that your wife or any thai people who see that clip will get mad and you are so insensitive to laugh about that

Keyser Soze says:

As a farang living in Thailand I have nothing but respect for HM The King.
People who understand his significance in Thailand should understand how normally easygoing smily Thais would be deeply offended. Some things are sacred.

I feel that Swiss idiot who got 10 years recently should have known better, even if he was on holidays. If he wasnt on holidays he should REALLY have known better.

When in Rome...

chris says:

yeah the swiss guys a prick and thai girl
i agree with you thai girl its insensitive
oh thai girl let me see your tits
i just cant decide these days.

AFR says:

I think a couple of people have missed my point a litle by my second post, and in reflection my first post did not reflectmy true thoughts (seriously). I know Thais were offended, many deeply so, and also know why they were. I know as much as the next farang about the Thai monarchy and its significance to Thais. I also wholeheartedly supported the court in giving that Swiss guy 10 years, and think he can almost consider himself "lucky" he hasn't ben lynched already. He did something that everybody knows is publically disrespectful (in a massive way). In public situations I always show the utmost respect for Thais and their monarch, depsite my personally not agreeing with any forms of monarchy, but I never publicise this view in public, becuase I don't think its necessary, and know that such a thing would of course offend Thais. That does not mean I can't have chuckle to myself at something, in the privacy of my own home. Hell, isn't that the Thai way, keep things to yourself, keep/show face, and who cares about anything else? People laugh at things all the time at others expense. Most humour is aimed at someone, and this one just happened to be so at Thais. Its not like I was rolling on the floor laughing, i actually thought it was MILDLY amusing becuase I couldn't understand why somebody would do such a thing in the first place. By the way, i'm not Enlish/British or whatever. There are actually more than two countries that have a King/Queen as their head of state you know besides Thailand and England. Thai Girl, if you are indeed Thai, I do apologise, but you also have to realise this is a farang forum, and I hope in the west, we still beleive in free speech, regadless of the subject matter. I did not intend to offend any Thais at all by my first postings, what i said was merely for a bit of fun for other farang readers. But Thai Girl, can you say, hand on yuor heart, that you have NEVER made fun of others? Of their beliefs?

Anonymous says:

a lot of the proxy sites are blocked. Try this one
http://www.ocrig.com/
worked for me.

Andy says:

Thanks for the link, Anonymous.

robuzo says:

"A bizarre feudal clique has accomplished precisely what it set out to do: infantilize an entire population." Well-put, Errant, but then again it wasn't that much of an accomplishment.

By the way, why can't the thought police spell "Alert"? I'm pretty sure "Aleart" isn't one of those controversial transliterations caused by a tricky Thai dipthong.

Chico says:

For all those passing comment on this subject I suggest reading Paul Handley's book, 'The King never smiles'.

Its a very well written and researched book that gives a rare insight into the Thai monarchy. And at least for a change you hear the other side of the story.

William Mahanakorn says:

The Thai junta's decision to ban YouTube presages more dangerous measures to come, and it supports David's assumptions all along about the lowering of a new bamboo curtain to isolate Thailand from the outside world with the use of selective censorship across the internet. It is now making perfect sense. Indeed, the DOS attacks were a precursor of decisions to ban YouTube and similar websites. The Thai junta will use the lese-majeste laws when it is in its best interest to do so. For example, imprisoning a Swiss alcoholic sends a powerful message to the expats who cling to the teat of Thailand with the desperation of starving infants.

It only requires half a brain to create the kind of disparaging, grossly disrespectful and crude clips that were posted to YouTube. In other words, it takes no leap of the imagination to suggest that the clips were placed by the Junta itself (anonymously through a "US" based member). To find out who posted the disrespectful clips of the King would be quite difficult, even for non-Thai citizens or authorities.

But why? Why should Thailand lower a new bamboo curtain?

A lesson to Errant, who wrote of a "a certain book published by Yale University Press" as being "an adequately researched book by a legitimate journalist, sufficiently edited and fact-checked before being put out by a legitimate publisher":

The book falls under lese-majeste laws because it is disrespectful and is not "sufficiently edited", nor is it an academic publication, despite being put out by a "legitimate publisher." The book was written by a journalist. Pages of its assumptions and conjectures go without citation and without qualification. My suggestion to you is this. Read the book. Then, cross-check the notes section, and you will find a pretty weak bibliography, and quite a bit of journalistic pap. The intention of Paul Handley's book is to paint the Royal Family in an unflattering light and to ridicule the King's charitable and generous self-sustainability programs for the poor, who have overwhelmingly been left behind in the economic detritus of the past ten years. Censorship is not new in the Kingdom of Thailand. The structure of power in a Monarchy (even a Constitutional One) will forever defy your ability to comprehend it. Especially if you believe in "free speech" and all of the pablum that goes along with it. Just look north to Burma for an example of another formerly Buddhist monarchy that now values military autocracy.

My prediction: a massive and bloody confrontation with the southern provinces to begin with, followed by an explosion of simmering resentment of the poor classes who overwhelmingly support Thaksin. Look for a continued winnowing of the farang expats (see David's story of the vice raid in Pattaya), which has really been going on for the past five years.

Finally, one more point: a Thaksin supporter would also have benefited from placing the offensive material on YouTube. The problem here is that, while the King is the overarching authority figure of all Thai people, the brutal and nasty nature of the current mundane political situation and struggle has endangered the Monarchy in the process by bringing the King directly into the fray. His Majesty has done this before, if you consult your history books.

One of the casualties of the YouTube ban (which will most likely be unceremoniously lifted after dramatic events unfold) is that the common Thai's connection to a broader community has been severed completely. But the Chakri dynasty will endure, despite Handley's barstool biography and despite the egregiously offensive clips on YouTube that are, indeed, acts of lese-majeste that should be respected as cultural requisites of the Thai experience. While it is perfectly okay to post unflattering pictures of President Bush or Prime Minister Blair, they are figureheads of different political structures entirely.

The Philippines, Laos and Cambodia are looking mighty attractive in comparison.

Derukugi says:

William Manakorn:
[[[My prediction: a massive and bloody confrontation with the southern provinces to begin with,]]]

No, Jose. In case you missed it, the mil. government is lead by a muslim. Pigs will learn to fly before a follower of Mohammed does something against the Jihad. Dream on!

Errant says:

William Mahanakorn:

First, when I have a conversation with someone, if I hear something I don’t like, I don’t tell the person who said it that I’m going to give him a lesson. If I did, I would expect to be laughed out of the room, if not punched. Hardly a surprise, then, that you’re an apologist for other thin-skinned types.

I could go on regarding your laughable idiocy in failing to see that I was comparing two very different types of communication as a way to note the range of material being banned in the country, while neither endorsing nor condemning either communication. But it would be pointless. And your useful lesson that the book in question is not an academic work and was written by a journalist … well, this comes as a revelation to me. Though it shouldn’t. Seems in your hurry to produce trenchant, insightful comment you missed something in the post.

But again, why bother? You’re an insufferable, pretentious bore. Yes, those are insults you just heard. And while they would seem to be the words of someone just as boorish as you, they’re said as a way to remind you that, while you feel emboldened with the anonymity and absence of internet posting, any face-to-face conversation wherein you signal to another that a lesson is to follow might just be met with something other than the ritual obeisance of which you’re so fond.

Think hard before seeing fit to give anyone a lesson.

Prufrock says:

Derukugi: Your statement below is quite possibly one of the most imbecilic, nonsensical, ill-informed, bigoted, asinine (breath) one of the stupidest, "couldn't find his ass with both hands", fuckwitted brainfarts I have EVER fucking seen.
Even from you.

With people like you actually having something even remotely relevant to do with what gets passed for legislation in the US, we can look forward to spending American blood and BORROWED CHINESE treasure on NOTHING but fear-driven catastrophic war for the rest of the fucking century. Or at least till the oil runs out.

You really ARE a marvel of utter stupidity. How ever did you find this country? Thank god you were fleeced dry by some buffalo pussy scrag and will NEVER be back.
Fuck man, why don't you read a god damned book or something.

For those of you who can't be bothered to scroll up Dekrugi, here, opined:

Duh, No, Jose. In case you missed it, the mil. government is lead by a muslim. Pigs will learn to fly before a follower of Mohammed does something against the Jihad. Dream on

Then his keyboard shorted out from too much drool.

William Mahanakorn says:

Dear Moron Errant,

If you are indeed endorsing a book you have not read, then a lesson should be well-taken and is long overdue, either by consulting a history book about Thailand and the history of its politics, or by me -- who has had more than enough of people like you posting, after a few beers, their nonsensical misreadings of the Kingdom of Thailand and her plight. For your edification, we are not, in fact, glad-handing around a parlor having cocktails together, nor am I sitting next to you in your favorite blowjob bar. We are engaging in written discourse. You want to "punch" me? Are you 9 years old?

I will enlighten anyone who chooses to shoot their mouth off about lese-majeste laws and "free speech", as you have done, particularly about books that are banned not only for violating lese-majeste laws in the Kingdom of Thailand, but for also violating general literary decorum and good taste.

For another lesson, please deposit fifty cents, retard.

Common Sense says:

Oh brother, someone got Prufrock all up in a huff about those wacky Muslims again. Please lay off before Pruf joins in on the Jihad, shoves a unusually large pipe bomb up his ass, and strolls into Nana Plaza.

Prufrock says:

Hey Bill (Mahanakorn) Where didja learn to rag on people like that, eh. You must be inta historical facts and book learnin'and what's really going on here.

Errant ('at's 'bout IT, I figgur) was just taking an opinion (in mush the same way he takes a shit) after a few ales at his local skull bar. He didn't mean anything by it, I'm sure. (fuck, he 'couldn't have)

And as for not liking (oooooh baibay, that's it) either beer or blowjobs? . . . I'm sapeechless. Perhaps (OH YEAH, OH yeah oh yeah . . . sigh . . . giggle) I should (hic) read yer poast agin, nair. I mighta mist sumpin' (burp)

Errant says:

Little Billy,

Would you like another shovel? The hole you dig will get done that much quicker. Still going on with your lessons and your enlightening of others. Once again your rage at encountering something you don't like has rendered you incapable of seeing anything but what you want to see. A predictable schoolmarm reaction.

So before I fully ignore you from now on, and rather than bother to point out the post you misread spoke to the psychological effects of a certain type of organization of society, I'll merely note the unsurprising affinity and admiration that you and others of your ilk have for authority figures, especially ones with absolute authority. A bit envious, are you? Weary of others not following orders? Poor thing.

Now, instead of clacking out more witless twaddle that I will not respond to, go wash your little yellow shirt, hang it up, and watch it dry. Over that you have complete control.

William Mahanakorn says:

"First, when I have a conversation with someone, if I hear something I don’t like, I don’t tell the person who said it that I’m going to give him a lesson."

-- (Ab)Errant (and Flatulent)

Hmm, that sounds more marmish than anything I have written. Judging by the tone of your riposte, you sound like a schoolmaster yourself of a certain variety....wait a minute! I know exactly where I've encountered Aberrant Moron before....He is listed as the Head Master of The School of Cock (Principal, John T. Bone). It is all clearer to me now, Aberrant. It was your fixation on holes that gave you away.

Now, before I "ignore" you any longer, I am going to polish off my bust of Mussolini with the cheap, ill-tailored one you wear to the School. I won't begrudge you the stains....it takes a big man and some discipline to keep the School of Cock in proper order.

Common Sense says:

Well gents, it looks like the internet police are still hard at work. First it was google, then the Thai government, and now its the founder of Wikipedia. If they want to see an excellent example of how a blog should be policed I dare they visit Mango Sauce and throw out their two cents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070411/tc_afp/
usitinternetethicsblogs_070411083227

Hugh Fagina says:

The same videos are posted on google video.

I'll bet the Thought Police knows this but have chosen to look the other way. Dare they ban both youtube and google toghether? I think not.

BTW I support *unfettered* free speech (as long as one is not bound by contract), but those videos mocking the Thai monarch are poor examples illustrating what free speech is. By their nature these videos actually discredit the idea of totally free speech, and why it is important for EVERY INDIVIDUAL to have it.

Later...

BTW David, great site, great job mate!

kwai mai sabai says:

The monarch pardoned the moron from Switzerland who did the graffiti number on his portrait so he's got my respect.

Road Natzi says:

CS,

Thanks for your usual entertainment. Your comment about my old mate Prufrock is rather amusing, especially since you just got back from the land of the irate arab after sizzinling their arses in the usual gentle merikan way.

Lets face it mate (please don't comment on the mate thing again), you always shed interesting but bizzare light onto things, keep up the work and make sure u get urself into Thailand, now that theres no travel ban on u and look me up, you might learn a thing or two.

rn

Common Sense says:

Road Natzi,
I'm planning on taking a trip at the end of summer once I finish my college degree. Kind of like a present to me, from me. I might end up in the Philippines though, me and my friends still haven't made up our minds since we haven't had the chance to enjoy PI out from under the prying eyes of a military deployment. If the fates stear me towards Thailand I'll let ya know.

Road Natzi says:

CS,

No worries, I'm actually in the land of the Kangaroo at the moment and due to a problem I have encountered in relation to the workplace, I have just delayed my next trip anyway....the pain of this is only relieved by the fact that my gorgeous lady is currently asleep in the next room (& not for long, if you know what I mean ;-) ).

Forget the philippines, I have a close friend that can re-count his tragic events over there, that have steered me away from that place, get ur arse into the land of vertical smiles.

See ya soon.

Common Sense says:

I'm to to worked up by the shit that goes on in PI. I know theres more crime and blatant corruption, the Thai's only hide it better. I have been there several times but its just not the same when the military is breathing down your neck not to fuck something up. I've got quite a few friends there so I'm not to worried about it. We still haven't made a decision yet but I could truly care less either way since I know I'll skinning my dick raw in either country.

Prufrock says:

Common: Won't happen if you use condoms.

dingdongrb says:

Can you lover trio take your personal feelings into email. We don't want to hear about you 'circle-jerking' it here.

Common Sense says:

dingdongrb,
I'll have a conversation wherever the fuck I please, thank you. If you don't like it, take you faggot ass to another thread and look for someone to suckle your cock.

In case you haven't caught onto thing's, Road Natzi and Prufrock have a hate, hate, hate, little bit of love relationship with me. In other words we generally have a go at each other like a married western couple, but can still manage to keep it civil enough to consider ourselves acquintances of sorts.

If I do go to Thailand at the end of summer I wouldn't mind sharing a beer with either of them. If anything this would allow me the opportunity to say to them face-to-face what I really think of them. Good or bad, we would probably have a laugh and buy another round since we know that this is a forum to speak your mind and keep it all in good fun.

You on the other hand are an insufferable twat who cannot see the difference. Much the same as Prufrock and Road Natzi were when they first arrived in the Stickman refugee days. Even they have made a formidable turn-around to someone who was once their arch-enemy here in Mango Land.

In other words dingdongrb, grow the fuck up and quit taking this blogging shit so seriously.

Road Natzi says:

Dingdongwankercunt,

I think CS is trying to tell you something, please just bring urself over to Australia so I can punch it into you......you must be blonde!

CS, As for the beer with prufrock, I was thinking of a very publically organised event because I know that queer cunt SUMMERS couldnt help himself and then there would be no time for you prufers and myself to sort out our shit, if you know what i mean !

Prufrock, Wake up now !!! Your bedtime has passed old fella, have a chop at Dingdongihaveasmallcockkeithsummersmate and lets be done with it.

Prufrock says:

REFUGEES? Gawd Common, I NEVER was a Stick fan. After he went all racist and hi-so on us and proscribed that everyone should do what he does I just couldn't take it. ANd those "She done me wrong guys" I reckon half of them were trolls.
They HAD to be . Who could be THAT stupid. . . . I stray from the subject at hand.
Forever hiding behind that fag "ONE MAN'S OPINION" disclaimer Stick was just sooo fucking right about EVERYTHING, wasn't he" (Irony IS that he ends up with terminally shitty visa prospects, per se. No degree? No stay unless ya got a bundle to invest in THIS shifty commercial environment in a business concept tough enough so that a lazy Thai will just want an envelope and too tough to steal)

I reckon Road never was a refugee either but as we know Mr. Road-Natzi can sapeak for himself.

So. Refugees we're not.
I hammered away at Road for a while until he found his voice as an amusing sardonically violent comical cartoon character on wheels.
(Adult cartoons, Road, OK? those dark Guido Krepax kind, okay?? (easy fella you'll be alright,you'll be alright)

Why, come to think of it young fellow, I know you started out posting here to improve your grammar and spelling. (I have this on good information from the Churchlady) and thanks to some of the more seasoned senior members your written work has taken a decided turn for the better. (I'm gonna here about "members", I know, but I can't be bothered to edit)
Your paragraphing is more precise as well

I pretty well ended up here on my own. Like, I fell through some kind of Twilight Zone time warp from "Playboy Club Cocktail Nite" in a newly opened soi 33 artist bar. . . 25 years ago"
(Here's where somebody like Trink "may his name be forever praised" writes in to say that THERE WERE NO ARTIST BARS 25 years ago , or something)

What never stops surprising me though is the Ninnies who assume because we haven't had a scrap for a while that we must be gay. What does that say about them and their fantasies.

WHY DON'T THEY JUST SCROLL BACK A FEW MONTHS AND CHECK THINGS OUT. . . THAT'S WHY I NEVER TAKE ANYBODY TOO SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY SAY THEY'VE "READ PRUFROCK'S STUFF and they have his fucking number")
In fact before Summers went into full, manic, fucking, insane flight I kind of (as many of us did) had some respect for the guy)
That's over. Done.
That was before he decided it was cool to attempt to ruin the fucking lives of everyone the contacts who won't be his best friend for fucking life and show it by helping him promote sex tours with his friend the decadently evil Dexter Horne. (perfect name for a villain - ith Keith as his batman and bedmate.

(Perhaps you're too young to remember "Terry and the Pirates" but if you Google it you'll get off on the expat wars of post WWII SE ASIA. (the Phantom as well)

That's where this nonsense is all headed, by the way.

Story like this with the proper illustrations would leave all those Japanese comix in the dust.
???????????????????????????

dingdongrb says:

CS....You're too funny.

Road Nutzi.... Bring it on.... (Go get you're friends ready)

Road Natzi says:

Dinger,

I don't need my friends to fight my battles. Let me see, you've probably been hiding in some office job with the real actual danger of getting a paper cut or something serious like that.

Common, has been bouncing around Iraq, like he owns the joint, apparently they are firing real bullets over there and cutting heads off....my hat goes off to the guy, brave work, I hope his transition back to civilian life is a lot more successful than that of the Vietnam vets.

Anyway, as for myself, I was a single unit Police Officer for many years and I can only ever remember one beating and a few other poor attempts, I can take care. I'm a big believer in there's always someone, bigger, better, stronger or whatever around the corner, if your the man, well so be it. BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. My days with that business have passed and I enjoy watching my business in Thailand move steadily forward as opposed to babysitting morons like yourself, who just can't meet societies standards.

Dingdummy, come have a chat to me some time, but please if its about Thailand, then do a bit of study, live in the land for at least 15 years, go outside and mingle with the Thais, not the other German sex tourists, learn the language, understand the Politics, develop your attitude into the 'mai pen rai' mode, stop masturbating, sex is cheap in Thailand although I'm sure you suffer severe humility when u get ur micro cock out AND ABOVE ALL, GET A LIFE, Don't be a loser like the rest of your family....have a go, PUMP UP!

Fuck you bore the shit out of me.

Onto people that really count, Common Sense, have you got that Philippines thing out of ur bucket sized head yet or are you still feeling the effects of a seized trigger??????????????? Get ur arse to Thailand, slide into Patong and put a Singha on my account at Sharky's bar, but please don't mention my name too loudly!

dingdongrb says:

Hey Road Nutzi, get over your chit self. The only cop you ever played was 'rent-a-cop' at your local K-Mart and getting whipped by the lil old lady who didn't make it to the 'blue light' special in time. Or else when you dressed up as Barney during Halloween and instead of having one bullet in your shirt pocket you had one large cock stuffed between your lips.

As self proclaimed as your post sounds where you were a "single unit Police Officer" I'm starting to think that you are indeed Keith Summers. Or at least trying to act as macho.

(Phoom Poud Thai Mai Dee)

Prufrock says:

Is it only me or are there others here who'd like to set up an "ignore" file for the likes of newly-outed dingdingrb, Kasman, and the Summers menagerie?

There are observable, quantifiable criteria running through their comon to their posts and it wouldn't be hard to get this going.
Then we can get back to hassling each other like civilized adults.

dingdongrb says:

Pruie..... The only thing 'adult' about you are the diapers that you wear.

kwai mai sabai says:

Prufrock,
He's not hard to recognize. He fancies himself as a moral crusader (Concerned for all...).
That's why he launched his vendetta against Stickman. In his eyes Stick was a menace to decent society because he was deceiptful. How laughable is that! KASman is the biggest liar in Thailand (and that's saying something).
I've already chosen to ignore somchai, dingdongrb and all the other manifestations of his diseased mind.
Now, I'd like to hear what problem you have with me, FROG!

Wombat says:

Prufrock

I intend having fun with Kasman for a little while longer at least.

Prufrock says:

KMS
You're making sense here.
We can discuss the "problems" such as they are another time.
I'd like to get a sense of what some of the other posters feel another time if that's ok with you.
Let's get rid of these psychos first and than we can into some worthier scraps than arguing with the different manifestations of Summers/ Kasman/ Wombat and anyone else Telemachus, there are many others..
I'd like to hear some others posters on this. imagine you would as well. Common? Road? Errant? William Mahanakorn? Others?

Fuck Keith Summers

Prufrock says:

OK, scroll up a few and check out danglebangle's post to me a few pieces back there. Then check out somchai and Kasman and some of the Ubon Herald stuff (probably not Summers and quite amusing. The "Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock" from last weekend required too much verbal skill for it to have been a Summers piece. Andd he has no friends (except the outdoor yard slave who gave him his "passa mung/goo" tirade to me in his last somchai post.
Now somchai'll continue to posit that I'm just marshalling some support 'cause I was ganged last week.
I rather enjoyed that actually. Ask Common, Road, guys I was sparring with months back.
Wombat, these facile racist accusations of the somchai identity, towards Road and me and others are just another windup. Summers is flayiing . He's building a kangaroo court case against the bloggers here in Thailand. Summers is after word count not truth. Something to SHOW.
He'll present it to some clerk at some point in the future.
Let's just not let it go any farther.
He's just a bore to deal with
It's far more interesting arguing and fighting with people who have some verbal skills and/or a sense of humor, and most of all a reason to use the oxygen they use.
Gotta go.

Wombat says:

Prufrock

I may have opinions you don't like. In your mind that makes me Summers &/or Kasman?

For your information I only post under Wombat. David can confirm this if he feels so inclined.

The disappointing aspect is that I enjoy reading most of your rants & opinions. Though it could be suggested that your sense of humour needs developing. In fairness I may not get it.

Prufrock says:

@ Telemachus and Wombat. Apologies
Missed a "full stop" there after the obvious Summers/Kasman label. (Watch Summers or one of his screen names, JUMP on this typo though) . . . between handfulls of blue pills he's like a spooked cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs.
I was, of course, not grouping you into a space with at asshole AND since we're communication of a constructive level it is my duty to say so.
Typing sometimes gets a little shaky after my morning reps.

I find your notes on obvious linguistic parallels in all and every AKA Summers mis-usages, signature trailer park grammar, malapropisms, spelling and any cultural incongruities you may find in the AKA Kasman/Summers/somchai posts.
There are, as well, the obvious "warning flashes" of the logic of an unbalanced mind with nowhere to go.

Summer's blog is due out tomorrow.
But let's NOT have a look at it.

Just the way NOBODY had a look at it last week.

Assembling a consensus here. Please feel to make suggestions and to add names and information I may have missed.

Lunchtime.

Wombat says:

Prufrock

Apology accepted unreservedly. Though I can't help reading Summers weekly rant. As someone said elsewhere it is as compelling as a car crash.

Prufrock says:

Geez wonbat, I've never figured you for anyone who'd really be mean or antagonistic towards anyone without good reason.

You and I have different ideas on some things but in many respects I'm just trying to get some of the more boring dust bunnies ID'ed so that we all can get back to being ourselves.

I think in "all of this" we (I know 'I') may have lost sight of the real reason for this delightful forum. That is , as far as I'm concerned, in this foreign environment, to express myself on matters about which Thais or people I drink with don't agree or do not give a rat's ass about.
Believe me Mr. Wombat, most of the people I know here couldn't give a shit about Summers/Kasman or this site. Some read it occasionally. Only a couple really know who I am and they don't even know each other knows about me.
Prufrock's ID remains a well guarded secret.
So yeah sure, lets get over the shite (except you might let us know if this Summers nutter has made attacks on anybody on this board because that will be his way of once again outing his undeniably stoopid Keith Summers face.

NOBODY says:

Prufrock,

Usually, I just communicate with Road Gnat, see.

But there's an obvious reference to me above.

I gotta ask, are you saying NOBODY actually visits that site?

I certainly hope nobody visits that site.

But NOBODY? Not in a million years. Let it die the death of a thousand slights.

As the old saw goes, hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is.

But then, I'm NOBODY

kwai mai sabai says:

David,
See what I mean about KAShole purloining other posters' handles? If that last "Prufrock" post April 19, 2007 1:57 PM was the real grenouille then I'm a monkey's uncle.
Would the real Prufrock please stand up, please stand up...

Fanta says:

Mr. Prufrock says:
"Only a couple really know who I am and they don't even know each other knows about me."

And clearly they should and clearly that sums it up. Really. Know. About me.

moss says:

Kas said: "(I know 'I') may have lost sight of the real reason for this delightful forum...to express myself on matters about which Thais or people I drink with don't agree or do not give a rat's ass about."

Nothing clearer than that, huh?

(...see what I mean about the self-loathing?)

Prufrock says:

KMS
That was, indeed, I, Prufrock. However I can easily understand how and why you'd doubt that. The post was a straight re-assurance to Wombat, there, that for what it may be worth, I hold him in good stead as I do ALL the posters her who are "clear about their deal", during these uncertain times.
As proof I offer you the grammatically correct usage of the first person singular pronoun "I" in the nominative form, as subjective completion of the copula verb "was." (in the first sentence) Who but Prufrock would be so pretentious a to mention that ;-)
I sapeak latin as well ;-)
The clowns we're dumping here could NEVER fuckin' pull that off not.

Regards
Prufroque

ozricdan says:

chris...........

whose tits are you talking about, "oh no you have'nt been duped by a ladyboy AGAIN or are you still deceiding, btw i saw some of your earlier posts and i am wondering how your english teaching is going because you cannot spell for shit.

mark says:

the fastest and most reliable myspace proxy i've seen is http://www.beatbess.net

William Mahanakorn says:

David,

An Update on the YouTube situation:

Google, which owns YouTube and Blogger (formerly Blogspot), has now, in its infinite geopolitical brilliance, removed www.thaipeeps.blogspot.com as the primary search result from its main search engine, thereby denying itself Ad Revenue via Ad Sense, and me my whopping total income of $1.83 to date. They have also removed the many references to "William Mahanakorn" from their main search results as well -- some of them courtsey of Mango Sauce. Why?

Because it is clear that, while YouTube is banned in the Kingdom, and while Blogger now features the ability to post in the Thai language (a more recent addition that I plan to make use of), Google is still comprised of retards riding on unicycles, napping on beanbags and/or playing Ms. Pac Man all day, rather than monitoring more serious and mildly pornographic blogs, and allowing and encouraging freedom of speech, not in Thailand obviously, but via the California-based blogging system for which they continuosly encourage the vertical synergy of using Ad Sense to "drive traffic" to my blog and, in turn, to dominate the Internet (for more on their strategy to dominate the net and the advertising industry, see the most recent edition of The Economist).

In short, some drooling, near-sighted Star Trek fan over at Google, who has never left his cubicle and who has to GoogleEarth to find Bangkok, finds some of my posts controversial.

This isn't sour grapes, because I will have little or no use for the $1.83 check that they will mail to me once I disable Ad Sense from my site. But because Ad Sense was designed by hung-over or stoned statisticians and technical half-wits who, when not playing with beach balls and receiving chair massages, create "geo-targeted" ads that occasionally generate such unbelievable mismatches of words such as "Genocide Ringtones." I kid you not.

Who, in Christ's name, would click on an ad for "Genocide Ringtones", other than, perhaps, Keith Summers?

At any rate, if Google and Blogger want to play games because of the mere mention and video depiction of Thailand on my blog (although I have not once posted any of the videos circulating that crudely depict lese-majeste), then they are in for an interesting ride, and your kind readers based in other countries who have taken an interest in ThaiPeeps should, as they say, "stay tuned." I will not continue to show half-naked Khmer karaoke singers for ever.

As Prufrock may well know, April is the cruelest month.

paulus says:

yes you can still acess you tube if you go to a proxy server like www.behidden.com and as a bonus ya missus or anyone wont know where you been surfin !! absolutely brillant !!

sadakoinbkk says:

Hahahaha panic panic panic panic " Youtubes been banned in Thailand " so fuxxin what ???? !!!!! let them run their country how they fuxxin like ......hahaha youtubes banned in thailand .....OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO .......

dannbkk says:

Youtube might of been band but www.pornotube.com hasnt!!!!

cynic says:

Since Friday I have been unable to access my e-mail server in the UK from Bangkok: webmail.virgin.net. Does anyone know whether this is connected with the current blocking of web-sites? Perhaps the junta thinks that it is a network of virgins for sale? I know that there is no problem with it in the UK and I can receive e-mails from someone in the UK on the same server.

Mac says:

cynic:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the simple presence of the word 'virgin' were enough to get the server blocked by the clueless Thai censors.

As if the Thais were not infantile enough already, we now have enforced infantilization, courtesy of the the Thai Mind Police. It doesn't matter where you're from originally, here within the borders of Muang Thai we all find ourselves behind the bars of the national playpen, lest we bump our little heads against reality or scrape a knee in the real world.

I recently bought a legitimate (non-pirated) DVD of a classic, old favourite movie, To Kill A Mockingbird. Guess what? An entire plot thread - involving an old woman's struggle to overcome her addiction to morphine - had been cut out. How this buggering up of a classic movie contributes to the betterment of Thailand, I really don't know. Would the mere idea of morphine addiction be enough to tempt the populace away from the state-sanctioned addictions of utterly mindless television programming and blind consumerism?

In recent weeks I have been repeatedly frustrated in attempts to follow links from perfectly legitimate, serious-minded material simply because they happen to lead to items that appear on Youtube. Want to check out the latest ads from candidates in the US presidential race? Interested in the hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding the scandal surrounding Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and the Justice Department? George W. Bush's close encounter of the bird (dropping) kind? John F. Kennedy's Inaugural address, one of the finest pieces of oratory in the 20th century? Sorry. That may be alright in other countries, but here in Thailand, you'll have to make do with the enforced diet of pap deemed suitable by the schoolmarms who run this kindergarten.
That, or be considered a criminal offender by daring to use a proxy to skirt the ridiculous restrictions on what you're allowed to see or read.

Thailand - The Land of the Free? Don't make me laugh.

David says:

Hi Mac & Cynic

My UK-based (BT Internet) mail-server has been blocked too. (However, the web-mail interface is still available).

Perhaps the generals want to make problems for London-based Mr Thaksin on the eve of the likely dissolution of his party (They blocked his website, hi-thaksin.net, yesterday).

Some believe that he wants to organise street protests and that the CNS are trying to put obstacles in his way.

Has anyone else in Thailand been blocked from accessing UK-based (POP3) email?

Regards
David

Sitting & Smiling says:

Cynic - I can almost guarantee that it's the word "virgin" that is the cause of your mail access misery.

I work in the healthcare industry and import items related to breast cancer treatment.

I used to subscribe to True HiSpeed (in those days it was called TelecomAsia) and believe it or not, every e-mail (incoming or outgoing) that had the words "breast" or "nipple" in the subject line was automatically blocked by their servers.

Fits in well with the Thai Logic behind the ban on coyote dancing, or the ban on selling alcohol between 2-5pm.

Now, look at what I have done - I just wrote the words Thai and Logic in the same sentence!

Grunt says:

Things are looking grim around here, David.

I suggest leaking more private info to little miss dicer again.

A little hair of the dog, as it were.

Common Sense says:

David,
I haven't been keeping up with the threads much lately but noticed you haven't posted a new article in weeks. Is there a Thai internet blockage issue with this or are you just suffering from writers block?

----------

Hi Common Sense

Neither. I'm just a bit preoccupied at the moment.

Amongst other things, I had to migrate Mango Sauce onto a more secure server this week after the original one was compromised by hackers.

It turned out to be a marathon task - made worse by the ineptitude of the first two hosting companies I tried. Company #3 finally came up with the goods but the job took almost a week.

Fending off countless hackers, spammers and stalkers (not to mention Google and the Thai government) is a constant battle, which takes up far too much of my time.

A few (more positive) issues have cropped up in the real world too.

I'll resume writing when I can but Mango Sauce is a labour of love rather than a lucrative business opportunity so you may have to be patient with me.

Regards
David

S & W says:

Weird, yesterday I could not access Mango, had to go through a proxy. All other sites were ok with the usual exceptions.

Cynic says:

Yes, I can still send and receive e-mails but that is not the point – I am now denied access to my mail-box which by now will contain a lot of unanswered correspondence. Obviously, I am reluctant to disclose my password so as to allow someone in the UK to forward messages.
The question is – can pressure be brought to bear somehow? Would it be an idea to try to involve the press? In which case should it be a “Disgusted Tunbridge Wells” type letter to the Times or would it be better to try to interest the gutter press? A banner headline like “Thai Censor bans Virgin” would look rather good but that is wishful thinking.
I shall try to alert Virgin (nudge, nudge say no more) – meanwhile I would be grateful for any other suggestions.

Grunt says:

"Fending off countless hackers, spammers and stalkers (not to mention Google and the Thai government) is a constant battle, which takes up far too much of my time." - David

Clearly you suffer from rampant paranoia, Dave.

I suggest you turn the whole operation over to little miss dicer.