Thaksin to buy Manchester City

Looper says:

If the shadowy chinese financiers get cold feet and Wacko Thacko has to lower his sights I understand that Cowdenbeath currently have a seat empty in the board room.

Fortunes have been fickle for 'The Blue Brazil' since their glory days of the late sixties but recent promotion from the Scottish 3rd division could make them a tasty takeover target for the wily square head.

Farang Manifesto says:

The irony of this sale of an English cultural asset to a Thai is that if the roles were reversed, no Englishman would ever be allowed to buy a similar asset in Thailand. Hell, forget a football club, a Brit can't even buy a family home in his own name in Thailand.

I have a few questions for the English here:

Why is it acceptable to you that a Thai, one who is alleged to have ripped Thailand off for billions in unpaid taxes, is allowed to buy mansions and major cultural assets in England when you are not allowed to do the same in Thailand?

Why is it that you accept that Thaksin can stay in England indefinitely while you have to suffer through a humiliating immigration process in Thailand?

Once upon a time your ancestors shed a lot of blood for liberal democracy, but for what? To be humiliated by a corrupt Thai, who brought about a coup and did everything in his power during his reign to prevent farang from living, working and making money in Thailand.

So, I pose this last question to my English friends here:

Why do you put up with this bullshit?

I know some of you like to bicker and complain about these double standards, but when does the complaining end and the action begin?

What if the energy that went into complaining actually went into contacting MPs, holding political meetings, contacting the press, etc?

Why are farang so afraid of organizing for their rights in this country, or, forget about rights, how about organizing for reciprocity and fair play?

Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants marched in the US recently for rights and entitlements, but farang in Thailand do nothing. We don't even organize to be treated with minimal respect. It's as though we enjoy taking it up the backside.

Maybe it is time for a little revolution.

People say that the English school teachers are the weakest and least respected farang class in Thailand.

What if one day they all decided to organize for their rights? Minimum wages, enforcement of contracts, health insurance, no more in and out visa process.

What if they all decided to strike in defense of their rights?

Can you imagine thousands of English school teachers walking out on their jobs with CNN, Fox, BBC, AP and others looking on?

Guess what? The weakest farang class becomes the strongest farang class overnight.

Just one small action like this and they could probably double their salaries overnight.

What if foreign investors from different countries started acting in concert rather than in competition, and began to demand that they receive national treatment in the same way that Thai receive national treatment in their countries?

In the past, our ancestors waged war against weaker countries for lesser slights than what the Thais do to us.

We no longer have war as a tool to get what we want, but we do have the tools of peace, which are organizing, the internet, the media, the ability to argue forcefully in English, non-violent civil disobedience, and the values of justice and reciprocity.

Maybe its time to start getting our shit together.

Farang of Thailand united, we have nothing to lose but our chains!

Justica O ! says:

Thaksin should be deported back to Thailand forthwith. It is simply NOT fair that he is allowed to stay in the UK indefinatly with his stolen fortune, and allowed to aquire fixed and real assets in the UK, while good and decent Britons are not allowed the same privileges in his former 3rd world shithole country.

broadbandbully says:

Farang Manifesto, you make so many points and ask for so many answers I don't know where to start.

Manchester City being a Major Cultural Asset is not even near the truth, even a MCFC Fan would struggle to defend them at the moment, they would be more interested in any wealthy backer coming in and increasing the likelihood of buying better players.

The UK learned along time ago that investment from abroad can only help the economy, should Thailand follow suit and encourage external investment and allow free trade with other nations then their position and stature in the world league would improve.

I decided along time ago that the Thai Immigration Dept. loves to make life for foreigners hell! The goal posts are continually moved and putting the fear of god into ex-pats is a departmental sport. To stay in Thailand is easy, you just need money and plenty of it! Stay on a Non Immigrant B for a few years then get a good lawyer to sort out a perminent residency visa, easy. Remember, and I speak from experience, trying to get your Thai partner a residency visa for the UK is not easy. Juat as difficult as getting a Thai Visa. It can be done and can be acheived without the need for the visa services advertised on Foreign internet sites. The cost has gone up recently, actually doubled, this is just paying the bribe up front.

I would seriously take a step back from taking any action such as you suggest for english teachers. The loss of face that this would cause schools would leave the heads with the only option of dismissing the teachers involved, then either hiring poorly trained replacements or cancel english lessons altogether. The teachers would not be in work and so revoke your work permit and visa. This isn't Russia 1917, but Thailand 2007. Military Goverment, censorship, massive corruption and a large expat community that likes to keep its head down, and rightly so. We are only guests here, barely tolerated and at the whim of a bunch of Generals who may decide tomorrow that english shall be taught by Thai's only.

Thailand as alot to offer on a day to day basis, make the most of it, don't rock the boat and don't make long term plans. I can't speak for anyone else, but I would guess that your call to action wouldn't fill a room much bigger than Angelwitch.

Getting back to your original comment and the thread of this post, Mr. Thaksin is nowhere near the top of the hoodlums list that own English Premiership Clubs. We have a Russian who wouldn't like you delve to deep into his past, a couple of very dodgy characters from the former Yugoslavia who again wouldn't stand up too much scrutiny, an insane Egyptian who has a Princess Diana fixation and a couple of american backers who are using the clubs to dispose of billions of USD in debts. The UK tolerating foreign investors makes us a better country, not something to be ashamed of. Like a Nana Working Girl at 2am in the morning, something is better than nothing!

Irony says:

To Farang Manifesto:
The answer is Capitalism and Free Market.

It's so free that everyone, from everywhere, can own a football club. Sometimes, in the end it's not a pretty picture. But it's Capitalism and nobody, I insist, nobody is allowed to speak against the virtues of free market. Because everyone knows it's the best (scientific proof can be arranged).

It's the same as democracy: it's so good that even the bad guys can be elected.

Alex Christofferson says:

Farang Manifesto, if Bill Gates or Richard Branson wanted to buy property of any kind in Thailand you can be sure they would not have any problems. Hate to say this, but you (or I for that matter) and Thaksin just don't carry equal weights in this world. A fair comparison would oppose the treatment received by an average Thai going to the West with the treatment received by an average farang going to Thailand. As anyone who has tried to get his teerak to the liberal, open West knows, you really cannot compare the ease with which a Westerner can enter Thailand with the quasi-impossibility of bringing a Thai to the West as a tourist.

You will say that a Thai has the same rights to purchase property in the West as a Westerner. True, but the disparity in income makes this 'right' purely theoretical.

And, in the end, no one says that Thailand or any other country should embrace liberalism or any other -ism just because you desire so. I assume you were fully aware of the restrictions of evey kind that Thailand imposes on foreigners prior to moving here, and accepted them as a cost of living in Thailand. Most Asian countries do have limitations of different kinds regarding foreign residence and ownership, limitations that go back centuries in many cases. They do not have any reasons to bend their cultures to satisfy you, or me, or any farang individual or government, we can accept that or move on to more welcoming climates - I suggest South America where immigration and foreign ownership is ridiculously easy.

By the way, I have spent some time in a country that decided a decade or so ago to eliminate restrictions of ownership of foreign property. Within a year, locals were eliminated from the choicest real estate markets, just because they did not have the financial wherewithal. You will say that this is free market and whatnot, but explain this to a local who sees that all the nice properties around him belong to foreign pensioners while he is forever stuck in a mud shack.

Incidentally, I have serious doubts that the immigrant marches in the US will result in Mexican gardeners' salaries doubling overnight in that country. Assuming a farang march would have this effect on teachers' salaries is equally preposterous. I assume you are a well meaning, albeit naive individual, and were not under any kind of influence when you wrote this.

chicagobob says:

Yeah!!!!!!!!Farang manifesto,I agree with everything you say, and I'm sure the hundreds (thousands ?) of people who read this do too. In fact, why don't we meet up somewhere for a drink and.....whine, complain, and do...nothing. That's how it's always been, that's how it will always be:welcome to Thailand.

Prufrock says:

Farang Manifesto:
You rage when reduced to its absurd essence is based on a phonetic affront.

"Phoooogh-baowgh" will become fut-BAWN.

Blahdy woags, aigh?

Matt says:

It has been my experience with "the weakest and least respected" is that there's a REASON for that perception...

and it's generally justified.

So get your whining ass into a metaphorical gym and EARN respect.

Broken Leg says:

Actually the Liverpool deal (for 30% of the club) fell through because Taksin demanded Liverpool give him all merchandising rights for the whole of Asia. As soon as this became clear Rick Parry was on the first plane home.

somchai says:

alex, you're my new hero..

Not So Fat Matt says:

In the past I have been tempted and came very close to make an investment in Thailand. Why because their currency is low and the country is very well touristed. The more I learn about Thailand, and how much it cost just to make an initial investment makes me stay away from any long term investment.
Thai government obviously thinks they can get away with ripping off foreigners left and right, just wait till more and more expats move to other countries near by. That's my plan.
If it bothers you so much here, ask yourself a few questions:
1. Are you better off in your home country? (You were probably miserable there too, the grass is always greener on the other side)
2. Why did you come here in the first place? (the woman)
You have to weigh your choices. Pay fees left and right just because you are a foreigner, but you get to have sex with an entire population worth 20 something year old woman?
Or pack it up and move back to your home country, and still pay high taxes just because you are a citizen of that free land of yours, and get back in contact with your 40 something year old ex? Hey, I heard she lost 10 pounds, only 50 more pounds to go.

Wombat says:

Looper

Lay off the Blue Brazil. We are doing just fine thanks.

chicagobob says:

Prufrock, Why are you so angry? Who are you angry with? (I know, I know, "with whom are you angry?") I've been "saucing" for about 4 or 5 months now and I can't help noticing that, not only do you have an opinion on everything, it is without fail a negative one. Remember, the flip side of "everyone has the right to an opinion", is "everyone has the right to keep their opinions to themselves". There's no need to respond.

ajarn farang says:

As a British citizen, I am concerned that a man responsible for grave human rights abuses (the war on drugs, etc.) should be buying into a premiership club. My country has, for the most part, always stood for decency and believed in "fair play".

I think that Mr. Shinawatra's involvement in such a high profile and popular sporting franchise as the Premier League sullies both soccer and my country. Whatever next? "Osama Bin Laden buys Blackburn"?

This is bang out of order and I agree with Mr. Farang Manifesto too. Good call!!

Telemachus says:

Hey Prufrock,
It was getting lonely without you. I hope Om Sin enjoyed all the extra attention...

Farang Manifesto says:

From a psychological point of view, I find some of the responses to my mini manifesto enlightening.

For most farang here, there are two options and two options only in dealing with Thai injustice:

1. Running away
2. Resignation

I have a new found respect for those people in history who actually stood and fought for principles with political action in the face of resignation.

From an intellectual perspective, well, I wasn't expecting Oxford debaters, but I have to admit I am little disappointed by the responses.

Some took my words and interpreted them in a way that supports their own distorted world view, but had nothing to do with what I actually wrote.

Football is an English cultural asset.
It is the equivalent of Muay Thai, at least to me. Maybe I am wrong, but isn't football a major part of English culture in the same way Muay Thai is to the Thais

Now imagine if a corrupt English politician came to Thailand and bought Muay Thai players as nothing but toys to play with to show off his money and ego.

Would the Thais tolerate this? No

That was the point I was making.

As for the visa situation, why is Thaksin allowed to stay in Britain indefinitely when he instituted an immigration crackdown right before the coup.

Thaksin was trying to rid the country of undesirables, yet what exactly is Thaksin?

An undesirable with money who is using his ill-gotten gains to purchase a major English cultural asset.

But for some reason some of the readers spin what I meant to mean that because the UK makes it hard for their girlfriends, then the Thais are justified with whatever immigration policies they chose.

Regardless, the fact remains that it is easier for a Thai to emigrate to the West than it is for a foreigner to emigrate to Thailand.

Thais get national treatment in the West. Farang get second class treatment in Thailand. Especially in law and business.

Some will justify this inequality by pointing out that some immigration looked at their Thai girlfriend cross-eyed at the Heathrow.

By the way, I don't know of any Thais who have been refused entry to West for whatever reason, but, then again, I don't know any hookers.

Also, I don't know of any Thais who work in the West who are forced to make border runs every three months or need to reactivate their non-immigrant visa every 3 months.

Thais in the US are not forced to fly to Canada or Mexico to a US embassy every three months to get new visas for work or for emigration.

I am sure our resident Thai, Somchai, will say that immigration wasn't a major part of his life while living abroad.

As for the English teachers, I find it interesting that some believe that they have no right to organize for basic rights. I am not an English teacher and have never been one, except for some volunteer tutoring.

Maybe I am an idiot and have no idea what I am talking about the condition of English teaching in this country, but, to me, they are not getting a fair shake. And they are not getting a fair shake because they are not politically organized.

They are not being paid market wages. They are poorly managed. They are expected to do beyond what is written in their contracts. And many teachers are scammed and cheated by their schools. They are forced to leave the country for the wretched visa process. No matter what you think of some John Mark Karr types and the other social misfits who find themselves in the profession, it is not fair to condemn each and every English teacher and delegate them to the scumbag, exploited class.

Maybe if they got their shit together as a class, they wouldn't be treated with contempt.

To Alex Christofferson-

What is the basis of your response? Your own personal opinion that has no basis in reality.

Please point to me a place in Thai law that says Bill Gates or Richard Branson are entitled to own land.

Recently, Temasek, the investment arm of the Singaporean government, bought the Shin group for a few billion dollars.

Guess what? The Thai government is not happy about Singapore owning the Shin Group and recently confiscated and nationalized iTV.

It is against the law for foreigners to own land in Thailand--even if you are Bill Gate or Richard Branson.

As for immigration, every Thai I know has never had problems entering the US or Europe on a tourist visa. Maybe you should find a girlfriend who isn't a hooker.

But I have to ask, which country was bought up by foreigners when they liberalized their land ownership laws?

Also, I never said that the Mexican wages would double overnight.

And how do you know what would happen to the wages of farang English teachers?

In neighboring countries and the rest of Asia, English teachers make double what they do in Thailand.

You are right, it is my opinion, but I believe that if English teachers stuck together and bargained collectively they could get at least 60k baht. It would depend on who was negotiating. If you were the negotiator, I am sure the teachers would get close to nothing.

The rest of your argument is moronic and
horribly argued, so I don't wish to waste more time on it.

Why are farang so afraid of organizing?

In every western country in the world, immigrants actually organize and become politically active in the society they have emigrated to. In every country that immigrants do this, they thrive and eventually achieve economic and political rights.

In Thailand, when Chinese first came to Thailand, they politically organized. They stayed organized. They were self-supportive. They didn't make excuse why they shouldn't organize. They didn't become resigned or run away like most farang here advocate.

Look at the Chinese now. Look at overseas Chinese as a class. They are successful, for the most part. And they are not crying about how the PRC wouldn't allow their hookers in the country for a tourist visa also.

What I advocate is not unprecedented. It is historically, politically and intellectually consistent for immigrant groups who want to survive and thrive in a foreign country.

I'm fascinated how so many here actually argue against empowering farang in Thailand.

It really is sad and pathetic.

I gave it a shot.

Looper says:

Good on you Wombat. More power to the Fife battlers.

datukmike says:

Man city huh, I think both entities are getting what they deserve - Man City have a record of inept management, petty boardroom squabbles, and failure to achieve anything meaningful - Thaksin seems about as good a fit as you could hope for. And he may be the one losing his shirt for once.

Prufrock says:

Chicagoblob smears me with yenta-esque rhetorics and then with the fresh, freckle-faced simple-mindedness of a freshly buggered water-boy inquires: "Prufrock, Why are you so angry?"

Gee whiz chicagoblob, How about some specifics? Dates? topics? incidents?

And don't give me some shit about a return swat I might have delivered to some *other* annoyingly uninformed blogsite blow-monkey like yourself.

You just got what you fucking came for.

I don't believe you for a minute about following the play on this blog for 4-5 months, incidentally. If you had, you'd have the common sense to ask something else.

If you'd been really reading Mango Sauce, really following the play on this board and had anything to say you'd have made some topical contributions already.
Maybe some of them would even have been your own :-)
Instead of just muckling onto someone else's ride.
Fuck, imagine that ;-)

But that's not your real purpose here now, is it.
You want a scrap.
Sorry, I just don't have time for your shit.

How about contributing to the conversation, an opinion on something important? What you'd have done if you'd been the Mac guy? anything but this silly-assed way you've chosen to introduce yourself.

BTW chicagoblob, your "whine , complain, and do nothing " up there, the one to Farang Manifesto, had more than a touch of the vitriol to it. . . . certainly not the light-hearted, self-deprecation or the self parodying tone of the "Phoooogh-baowgh" will become "fut-BAWN" post.

As for your grammar-maven game there, as the owner of an embarrassingly short dick you might want to keep that to himself?
It's your own shortcoming.
Keep it to yourself.

So what's your game, then? You have some specific stuff or are you just in for that quick smear?

You fucking lightweight cunt.

Smiler says:

Its karma Wombat.

What a waste of council tax.
We paid for your home.

Poetic Justice says:

Prufroock writes:

"Phoooogh-baowgh" will become fut-BAWN.

Blahdy woags, aigh?"

Jesus Christ, here we go again...

I thought you had abandoned the piss-poor phonetic representations of various dialects. You just don't learn do you????

Or perhaps you were having a flashback to when you were the editor of a major Canadian news....zzzzzz

ps. Sorry to hear Om Sin's tests came back positive.

Irony says:

"Whatever next? "Osama Bin Laden buys Blackburn"?"

Why not? If he has the money and if stocks are available for purchase, he has all the rights to do so as long as the stock owners agree to. Free market, again. They may not even know they are selling to him.

If you want to protect any asset, don't go public on the stock market. Easy.

somchai says:

farang manifesto,

nope, when i lived in the States, i was there legally and had a resident green card.... so had no problem.

the key term here is LEGALLY.

______________________________________

now, on topic of farangs owning stuff in thailand.

i have no problem with that--- capitalism and the global village is all good for me.

countries like england and singapore are good examples of open economies, and it's part of the reason why they prosper.

however, let's take a look at it from another perspective.

_____________________________________

like i said, i myself am for an open economy and believe foreigners who live here LEGALLY should be able to buy homes and properties and enjoy all the rights, except for of course, voting ---unless they become citizens.

But if the government of Thailand and the majority of the people believe otherwise, then hey... it's our rights.

After all, it's our country. our government's duty is towards tax-paying Thai citizens --- not illegal workers from the US and Europe. Surely, that's a basic right that we all can understand. You don't have to like it, but it's fair. And it's the same in the West.

The issue here is citizenship.

_______________________________________

On a related topic:

In the West, illegal aliens and workers face deportation. that's the law.

You mentioned the 3-month Visa run of farangs living and working here.

Well, guess what, these farangs are working here ILLEGALLY. not much different from the illegal aliens in the West. If you're a bonafide expat living and working here LEGALLY, you don't have any problems, just like in any other country.

Western countries have laws against illegal workers and so do we, i don't see the problem.

The issue here is being LEGAL.

________________________________________

now of course, we have lots of dumb laws against foreign investment that is not helping the country... but it's a different issue from ILLEGAL ALIEN WORKERS and CITIZENSHIP.

so surely, i hope you understand...

chicagobob says:

Prufrock, thanks for your comments, enjoy the weekend, regards, Chicagobob.

Wombat says:

Smiler

Admittedly it is difficult to get any news other than the results every week from so far away but I feel I detected a little resentment in your post.

Wencelas says:

Prufrock isn't just angry he is sick which is why he has been kicked off a number of sites. Why his continual malice is tolerated here who knows.

divad says:

i guess hoc-key would become six-shit

yes, it would, i'm happy about that.

broadbandbully says:

"Farang Manifesto" If your'e not an english teacher, I can only assume one of your many boyfriends are?

In other countries, immigrants do organise themselves into political entities, that is their choice and such countries as the UK have no problem with this. Many expats who i've met in Thailand moan about the visa situation and not being able to buy land, they also moan equally about the poor service from True Vision and the speed of True Broadband. These guys have come away from their birth countries to forget about politics and the daily grind. Organising an up rising of english teachers versus a night out at Soi Cowboy will never be a goer.

This isn't our country, we have little or no rights. That's just the way it is, it isn't going to change any time soon.

One thing that puzzle's me, I presume you live in Thailand? If this is the case and you are so unhappy with the treatment of English teachers, Visa runs and land ownership, why don't you leave the kingdom.

Just guessing, but the majority of foreigners who work in Thailand are probably doing so illegally. It will only take idealist foreigner to rock the expat boat and the Thai authorities will use the power they have to crack down on all illegal workers and make it more difficult for those of us who bothered to get a work permit.

ajarn farang says:

dear somchai,

you sound like a gentleman with a good head on his shoulders; veramente, lo sai che chai una bella testa...

so let's lock horns.

with regard to "legality":

1) i was once illegally employed as a teacher by one of the most senior government officials in education in this country, despite asking several times for a WP.

2) i am kept prisoner here in thailand based on a trumped up charge and even though my lawyer explained to the courts that i could not legally support myself while on bail in this country, i was instead told to break thai law by working illegally.

it would seem that legality in thailand is nothing more than a dripping tap that can be turned off and on at will.

I DO NOT appreciate criminals setting up house/ shop in MY COUNTRY any more than you do.

af

Prufrock says:

Pathetic Nonsense:

I notice the only time you really ever have something to say is when you're complaining about my posts. I'm happy to be of service in this regard but it IS getting tiresome.

Most people do get the fooough-boauwgh thing. I only brought it back . . . well most people get that as well. Everyone but you, that is.

Why don't you just save yourself a lot of headachy phonetic puzzling and us all a lot of your silly comments and do this: Stop reading my posts.

Think you could handle that?
I doubt it but you could perhaps try to fool us into believing that you had by not answering any of my posts.

From the look of it you'd have very little of interest to say then, wouldn't you. (Nothing unusual for you I'd say.

Don't remember anyone EVER asking you about anything EVER anyway. As far as I can remember its just YOU sort of blabbing away about my posts because you don't "get it" or something.

Prufrock says:

Wencelas: Perhaps you'd be kind enough to elaborate, there.
Which sites?

Or would you just be remarking as you make out the monthly cheques for all your gay chat rooms and glory hole accounts that you've never seen my name on one?

Lightweight ninny troll.

Farang Manifesto says:

Somchai-

I never said anything about illegal aliens or working in Thailand illegally.

I mentioned illegal immigrants organizing the US, which was pointed out only to demonstrate that immigrants protest for their rights, which farang don't do in Thailand.

I am talking, however, about "legal workers" who have to leave the country for their non-immigrant b, and going through the gauntlet for their work permits every single year.

By the way, in the US, as you know, there are thousands of Thai restaurants where Thais work illegally.

And the hookers, fahgedaboutit.

You know that, I know that, so please don't get holier than thou about illegal workers.

If McDonalds or Starbucks in Thailand decided to exclusively hire illegal US workers, you'd have riots on your hands here.

But that is what Thai businesses do in the US and other places, and normally get away with it.

Also, the Thai government doesn't seem to have problems exploiting illegal Burmese, Cambodian and Lao workers for slave wages now, does it? And if workers from neighboring countries are legal, they have curfews, restrictions of their movement, and can't use their mobile phones. Sounds kind of like slavery, especially after all the agents screw them out of their wages and police make them pay bribes before sending them home.

A lot of exploitation is going on in this country dude. Legal or illegal, doesn't matter in the end, exploitation is exploitation.

And people, regardless of their nationality, should be organizing to put a stop to it. That, and the double standards concerning national treatment for capital.

Prufrock says:

Hi chicagoblob: Thanks, I WILL enjoy the weekend here blob, especially since here in Thailand, it's a long weekend.

Is it a long weekend where you are blob?

Dicer says:

With all the stuff that has happened since the coup one type of book that would upset everyone would be the one that focuses on thais and how their own country despises them. If you closely examine this bunch with Cesar Millan rules, you see how they stack up...terrifed, alienated...having farang and other groups around is pure therapy...gives them some payback for a desolate life.

Another view of Thailand is via statistics and a city map. You realise that the doorman class who can come and go are a small elite. In fact you need to be a Na Something to get into top circles. There is a lower just rich circle with the Chinese of course, but the mass of the country is lao and not part of anything: the slave class and they know it. Then you have the central Thais. You rarely see them unless out in a ringroad mall on the weekends. They hide themselves in huge slums, under bridges and along railroad tracks. They keep to their slums and never in downtown bkk. They find out they are really not wanted anywhere a bit like US Indians and what's more the laos who are themselves low class look down on them. Eventually a few creep out of their slum to become cops or join the army. On top of this, dirty living in filth and heat not to mention national geographic type insects, they shuffle bahtless and sneer because military radio tells them they are the superior race.

Imagine the poor armies of slum thais actually denied access everywhere. You can see them squatting in front of central rama iii. The security will not let these guys in, but they have access to Lotus across the street where they in turn glare at farangs. All about being, like Cesar says, in your own boundaries.

A couple of days ago a friend in London got an email from his Thai ex in bkk (45 year old mean Lao) that the pregnant 16 yo luuk-krung daughter has moved out and she is a failure as a wife and as a mother. I told him to immediatley email her that life was a celebration not a mourning (everyone wants the girl to abort and at 16 she refuses) and they should be ready to have a time of joy...and that the daughter was showing courage and character and should be congratulated. I saw trouble coming at the beginning when even the lao relatives told the girl to abort and Brit dad went into an existential funk about how the girl had just ruined her life. His mother (the girls granny) in Kent emails the girl if she aborts she gets a new car. Well this is fine unless you are a pregnant fecund half Issan girl madly in love (beau 15) and ready to take on the world. All the cold Brit material world doesn't mean anything to the girl. So he sent an email almost vertabim about celebration and not gloom to ex. Then I said to send flowers as well and he said he'd wait until mother's day and I said, now, because these flowers are like medication in an ER. Obviously this ex wife in bkk is suicidal. If the ex goes over the abyss the problems will get huge. Of course nothing works and the world is rigged no win so no idea what will happen.

Some of the arrangement foreign men enter with their thai wives and gfs defies all reason.

As you wonder about the sneer world of the Thais and the crazy emotionally chaotic world of the lao you notice that a large number are pulled out of the gene pool for crossing each other. The foreigners who are bumped off or nicked or whatever are just a drop in the ocean of what exactly happens to the locals themselves.

Loose Cannon says:

Wencelas,

Prufrock is tolerated becasue he is the spit bucket for the web: the turd that cannot be flushed: the pube that shows up in your food.

His anger and self hatred motivate him to vomit his scorn upon the threads.

We should pray for him...

...Pray that a tuk-tuk flattens him outside the Landdmark hotel some time soon.

Baghdad BoB says:

Prufrock is just piss because they dont really have a standing army.

Only good thing that come from Canada are hockey players.

BTW Pizza with Canadian Bacon is nasty.

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The list gooes on and on...

Farang Manifesto says:

broadbandbully-

I appreciate you sharing your myopic cowardly world-view with me.

I'll sum up your philosophy of life for the audience:

1. Run away from problems of home country
2. Don't rock the boat
3. Prefer a night out with whores more than defending one's dignity and rights
4. Run away when you don't like things as they are.

I just summed up your entire personality.

I bet all the girls are turned on by an alpha male such as yourself.

BBB, there are some people who don't share you run away or resignation world view. I know that may be hard for you to understand, because I am sure the people you surround yourself with probably think just like you do.

So, if there is a revolution, you are not invited. You are a saboteur just like Cypher in The Matrix.

You can stay at home with your hand down your pants pondering(or not pondering) your own mediocrity as the world continues to turn.

Prufrock says:

Farang Manife: Rock on Dude, :-)

Prufrock says:

"Loose Condom" and "BobDad's bag" s. . ..same shit, probably different bags but it makes little difference.

And you Faber? Will your unforgettable offer of oral sex to Road Natzi and Common Sense ever be forgotten?
Shall I re-vive it?
I DID notice that when I was not posting there last week you all had fuck-all to say. Hehehehehe.

You guys look reeeeeal go-o-o-od together, there, all cuddled up like that in your leathers.
What a pack of fucking nitwits.

broadbandbully says:

Farang Manifesto, you just aren't getting this are you?

The Thais have a system, you have to get a Non Immigrant Visa, then get a work permit! That is the way the Thais want it, so that is the way it is! It would be fantastic if you could just come over and start work the next day, but you can't.So get with the program.

You still haven't answered this;
"One thing that puzzle's me, I presume you live in Thailand? If this is the case and you are so unhappy with the treatment of English teachers, Visa runs and land ownership, why don't you leave the kingdom."

Here's a piece of advice for you, don't give up your day job to become a Philosipher. You not very good at it. A night out with Whores sounds like fun, defending my rights and dignity whilst watching geeky fims sounds rather drab. Thank you for the Alpha Male compliment, although the girls used to be more interested in money rather than my opinions and personality, which was fine by me.

Lets see five years down the line, which one of us will still be part of Thai Life? I know I will be.

Prufrock says:

(sigh)Pathetic Nonsense, misinformed as usual, offers its condolences: "Sorry to hear Om Sin's tests came back positive".

See, Pathetic? That's the problem with making it all up. (and rather badly, I might add)
You just never really get it right, do you.

Om Sin's "test" was a simple series of visa applications involving what we've come to refer to as the "big three" The US, Canada and a Euro point-of-entry thingy for Berlin in addition to the Canadian one.

We're off to the "Old Country" but since that's really a trip around the world we usually take in one or two European capitals (we thought Prague? Berlin? and then possibly Rome (Om Sin's been to Milan and Paris a couple of times, but never Rome).

I did mention that Om Sin had been a hi-end prostitute at one time, did I not? We've never tried to hide that.
(Sorry, Dante No massive bum tatts, just a lot of great stories. :-)

And being Thai, of course there'll be that sentimental trip to Switzerland. Zurick's expensive but I've been shorting the US dollar all year against the Euro. I can afford it. I have cash to burn.

I figure about three months oughta do it, whaddya think? But enough about Om Sin and myself; What about you?

Pop the wheels on the Winnebago and head on over to Darian lake? Six Flags? Perhaps a visit to your old school "Colonel Sanders College of Chicken Knowledge" I've heard you say those intellectually formative years in the Secret Spice Lab were the the best.

And your wife. What was her name? Samsonella? Candida? (Oh Sorry, that was the kid. Or was that her kid's kid?
Ah yes. The romance of Winnebago life.

Did you find someone to defend you in that nasty family law thing. As far as I know there, Pathetic, kids CAN testify. So, you know . .do a little fence mending there and you, well you see what I mean . . .

Don't even fucking start, chump.
Don't even fucking start :-)

Anonymous says:

@Prufrock

Don't even fucking start, chump.
Don't even fucking start :-)

Just getting warmed up son
just getting warmed up...hehehe

Prufrock, you dozy fucker: I was refering to Om Sin's HIV test not your fucking boring visa application! God, you are dense...

And WTF is a "high end" prostitute? You mean she charges 1000 baht to swallow the bollock yoghurt and not 500?

Pru son, look in the mirror and say 3 times:

"...a ho is a ho is a ho..."

You've shacked up with some tart (whose been to Milan: well we know what she was doing there dont we Pru Son? Getting the high end of the bell end I think) and then you are off to some of the most boring places in Europe (Prague: stag weekend shit-hole, Berlin: transvestite hovel with no culture etc) and you want us to believe you are riding the gravy train?

Let's simplify:

Your woman has had more pricks than a second hard dart-board ((but she has great stories: perfect for telling the grandkids eh Pru son...nudge nudge wink wink)

Prufrock wants us to believe he has it made but for all his boasting I am starting to agree with the other many posters, here on MS, that he really is a 15 year old boy who lives in a fantasy world.

BTW, how much does Om charge for anal these days???? I dont mind going to the high end price of 1500 baht.

hehe

Om Sin says:

Fok you Faber Faber. Pwufwock good man. small cock but hab big heart. I cost too much. Love you long time i want 2000baht. no cheap charlie eat this pussy. can fok for free. pwufwock take me holiday. he say go i go. pwufwock say i high end. not know what he mean but i know bell end very good.
ok, pwufwock not hansum man but he smart too much. he teach me geo-political strategies in Middle East theatre of war. Fok if I know what he say. but no problem he give money everyday for boom booom. finish too quick maybe 2 minutes. good for me. you not like him? up to you.

Telemachus says:

Hey Om Sin,

You have any friends/sisters 'cause I know this guy here you could marry, then divorce, then start dating me while we spend all his money on trips around the world and a fast car (she can send some of her cut back to her parent's hovel in Issan of course). So after about a year of shagging and burning through the sap's cash she could head back to Thailand a happier, richer little tart. You know the James Parmen Sibley method. What do you think?

T

Om Sin says:

Telemachus,

You funny man but I like. Pwufwock go Landmark hotel many time for short time with ladyboy. maybe we can meet for boom boom? Not forget I high end ok? want 2000 baht and 4 banana for sister she. you like fast car? pwufwock like tuk tuk but i say fok fok tuk tuk.

who James Parmen Sibley? he vip? no problem. can fuck 2 time. have sale with pussy today. 2 man go inside not come out for 1 week. Ooo la la say fucking farang set. up to you telemachus.

Johnnie Tokyo says:

@ Pathetic Nonsense:

Like Prufrock said, Buckwheat:
"Don't even fucking start, chump.
Don't even fucking start :-)"

Whatsamatter, Prufrock make ya nervous, liverlips? Forget your name?
Your post was what we call a nonstarter ;-) But it's nice to see you can follow orders. (That not even starting thing :-)
And anyway, in the final analysis, who gives a rat's ass what you think you were referring to.
Who on this board really gives a shit what you think about anything??
Answer that one Peckersnot.

While you were budgeting for your next BTS Smartpass and counting out change for the taxi after an hour in traffic, Om Sin and Prufrock were planning a trip around the world. See fuckwit, you don't have to make it up, Prufrock's telling you what actually happened, you threadbare fucking beer-begging know nothing asshole.
Piss off. You're a pest.

So, anyway, we've got this Pathetic Nonsense idiot so ashamed of the lack of originality and imagination in his fucking posts now that he's running his copycat sophomorics under "Anonymous".

(In such a hurry to slide your finger back up your arse that you forgot to sign your masterpiece, right?)
Have another Chang there, Doofus.

Then we have some fag trying to post as Om Sin. Prufrock's girlfriend could kick your fat ass all over the street danglepringle. You might as well have signed it Droolboy. Like the man said: Don't even THINK of starting (unless you can stop copy-catting and start rapping).

And then this Telemachus post: So fucking weak, so listless and derivative, so completely lacking in originality that I figure Prufrock will simply ignore it. You sound all burnt out these days, you skinny faggot. (Bangkok nightlife eating you up ;-?

I figure Prufrock'll ignore all three.

Andy says:

Well, there's no shortage of drug dealers in Manchester is there? Never mind the bloody football club, its maybe time the city of Manchester got someone in with a track record of a "no nonsense" approach to drug taking and trafficking.
Having the denizens of the awful Hacienda club arrested, tied up, and thrown in the backs of lorries, a la "Tak Bai", might be a good start.... "Avin' it large?" - Too fucking right, pal.

Hugh Jarse says:

Pigs will fly over Sanam Luang the day English teachers unite in the LOS.

If that does ever happen, and they do decide to walk out, Somchai wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Would be bad business for most internet chatrooms though!

somchai says:

farang manifesto,

1)
if farangs don't go to sanam luang and protest, then what does that have to do with the thai govt and the thai people? it's on you... so it's not a point of argument between you and I.

2)
legal workers have to go through tedisous immigration process, of course. so does the rest of us thais. it's the third world, dude... red-tapes and bureaucracy inefficiencies, outdated laws and lazy bureaucrats --- welcome to my world, baby. how is this problem unique to farangs?

3)
thai illegally work in restaurants in the US? sure, of course. if caught, they'll be deported. if the same thing happen to farang working illegally in thailand, then then same treatment would be fair, yes? but neither get deported, no?

yes, let's forget about hookers. i didn't even bring it up.

3)
you seriously are not comparing McDonalds and Starbucks to Thai restaurants, are you? Coz definitely, there are no big Thai corporations operating widely in the States, are there? So please, choose your evidence carefully. And of course, Mc and Starbucks in Thailand can't hire only farangs, there'll be troubles. Just like Honda in the States can't hire only Japanese. Just like Microsoft can't hire only white people. so on and so forth, so what's your point here?

4)
Thai businesses only get away with things, because they are small restaurants and grocery stores. Small businesses like magazines, websites and teaching schools also get away with hiring illegal farangs too, don't they?
again, please don't use friendly evidence. Look at the issue from both sides.

5)
Thai government does not expolit illegal burmese workers, thai big businesses do. just like US businesses exploit cheap mexican labors. Please, get it straight.

And yes, it sucks about restrictions and curfews for the illegal workers. And they work like slaves, just like in any sweatshop in any other country, including the West.

_______________________________________

Conclusion?

like i've stated before, there are a lot of fuck up things in my country and my dear government --- but just don't be so quick to point fingers... a lot of it, all governments and people are guilty of.

and of course, situations in the West is better, that's why you're developed countries and we're the 3rd world.

my only point here is, please don't blindly point finger. instead, analyse the issues from all perspectives.

don't be the pot that call the kettle black...

somchai says:

ajarn farang,

well, you won't find me disagree with you here.

1)
a corrupt, hypocritical politican (be them Thai or otherwise) is usually the norm of politics. Especially third world politics. This dude, for lack of better terms, focked you over. And he probably also been focking me and my fellow thai citizens over for years too.

the question is: why did you take the job, or did you take the job, knowing it was illegal?

and if you took the job, knowing it was illegal, aren't you also guilty just like your employer?

2)
Kept prisoner based on trumped up charges? I don't know about that, dude, so I can't comment. We would have to hear both sides of the stories.

However, I wouldn't be surprised. Like I said so many times, there are so many things focked up with Thailand. the 3rd world is the 3rd world, hopefully will progress at a faster pace...

but then, every other black man in prison in the States would say he's incarcerated on trumped up charges ---- so it's not just a Thai thing.

every Muslim in Abu Gharib would probably say the same thing too...

3)

yes, legality in thailand is nothing more than a dripping tap that can be turned off and on at will. Just like in most countries. It's focked up.

you have no idea how many times i was harassed by the police in the US, because i looked like an asian gang-banger. (fit the profile, you know?)

4)
Yes, criminals setting up house/shop sucks.

There are nigerian mafia, german mafia, russian mafia, french mafia (yes, the french - don't laough) among others running rampant in thailand...

--------------------------------------

so, we're not exactly locking horns, are we? since we seem to be in agreements...

Prufrock says:

Hugh Jarse has to be the funniest handle I've seen on MS.
Sounds like the name of a mid-level engineer in a small industrial town who'd scowl when ever anyone would fail to suppress the giggles.
A high school teacher perhaps who after years of concealment under an "H.(Bob)Jarse" mechanism, gets outed by a student as "Hugh" and has to spend the last seven years cringing with embarrassment at school functions.

Om Sin says:

Who Johnnie Tokyo? He buy condom in Japan? two time i see pwufwock call gay chat and Johnnie answer phone. no good. say he driver for pwufwock but he ladyboy sure. what be danglepringle. i see cheese and onion pringle in 711 but never dangle flavour. think Johnnie want to fuck pwufwock. up to him. know johnnie have small cock but pwufwock like too much. make vcd one time. i show to sister she. make bad face and sick in toilet. friend she say johnnie ugly same same soi dog. funny laugh too much. but still i fuck johnnie for 2000baht. up to you johnnie. but put plastic bag on head first. you ugly too much.

Johnny Tokyo says:

Geez Telemachus: It's nothing short of Pathetic Nonsense when gay felcher dinglepringlrb/ aka the nameless one(s) has to sneak back onto the board, disguised as what he thinks Om Sin looks like, to suck up to you, his only buddy.
Once again: He might as well have signed it ;-) Can't shake bad breeding Nameless One.
Am I right??? Or not? Jesus, Telly. With 1stclassdangleboy as your wingman, there, you need new friends, I'd say.

Well, OK. Maybe you're not his real buddy but he's been trying reeal hard, though, right. jaep mai ;-?
When slagging me was all the two of you really had in common you used to run this (he who will not be named) schtick about doing your slagging for the greater good.
But you and dingkeypringles1stclass are just not a good looking couple.
You appear to have a brain, anyway ans you know that it's "robot" not "robit"

I'm surprised no one else has welcomed him back to the board.

Poetic Justice says:

Looks like Johnny Tokyo aka Prufrock is on one again...hehe

It's easy to tell that these are one and the same because all their insults refer to homosexuality. We have established that Prufrock is a frustrated toilet trader and if Johnny rotten is a seperate entity: it is also obvious that he likes to putt from the rough.

BTW Johnny, how old are you really? I guess about 16 right? I mean, "1stclassdangleboy" and "gay felcher dinglepringlrb." WTF, you have no class and if you are a minor we will make exceptions. However, if you are an adult I think you are a special needs case. At least use some immagination in your insults...come on try harder Johnny, you have achieved a D- so far and any posts you make hereafter will be graded also.

Whether you like it or not....hehe

Johhny Tokyo says:

Hi Pathetic

You're not so good at multi-tasking, are you; an observable fact that presents it self when a) this time you actually remembered to write your name.
HOWEVER, sadly b) you were so preoccupied with that complex maneuver that you managed to be utterly and consistently wrong about everything else you dreamed up about me here.

Are you tired? Drunk?
Do you need a rest?

I mean if your post was even close I'd deal with it but you are really one tremendous bore, aren't you. I mean you truly do not have anything to say unless I'm posting, do you. Except, of course, for the previously stated obvious. . . stated by me and others at least ten times.

Your signature is all over this shit you write. It's so clear. Stop embarrassing yourself. (Geez where might you have heard that before ;-)

Oh yeah, you then honor us with your considered opinions on my character and sexual preferences. Gossips, calumnists, and useless burned out penniless louts like yourself often project. I sense a projection thing going here.

And your work is so weak. So feckless.
You've just outed yourself (again) as a lackluster, know-nothing, twat.
And then you handed out some kind of grade. Was it to me? How pathetic.
Have another Coke, stoopid.

Poetic Justice says:

@Johnny Tokyo,

"...a lackluster, know-nothing, twat."

"...useless burned out penniless louts"

Originality: 2/10

Creativity: 1/10

Grammar: 3/10

This is below average Johnny. I will be contacting your parents shortly and I'm sure you will be sent to bed with no supper. At least Prufrock can keep you warm.

Overall grade: E-

You must try harder Johnny, my boy...put some effort into your slander and thrill us all with your acumen. Or perhaps you just can't cut the mustard...hehe

Loose Cannon says:

I have a sneaky suspicion that Johhny Tokyo is really Keith Summers. His spelling and awful rhetoric stink of the much hated man-tours veteran.

Not quite sure yet, but will keep an eye on him....

ajarn farang says:

somchai,

i'm glad we are in agreement and i hear where you're coming from. i only wish there were a few more like you; unlike some "third world" countries, i believe thailand has the potential to do better.

the king of thailand himself said that the work of teachers determines the life or death of the country yet education in thailand is stuck in an onerous malaise. only by working in partnership with foreigners can the education system in this country move forward and that means giving foreigners a reason to want to work here.

the salaries and career opportunities are totally inadequate; we are treated either like criminals or undesireables; we are not welcome in this country and we are not treated with the proper respect.

it's not all about money. your average thai citizen is a really nice and decent person and many foreigners would like to contribute to this society and help make it a better place. however, at the present time at least, our hands are tied.

by the way, it was my first job so i wasn't exactly sure what was going on; i took the job and then asked about the legal side of things - eventually my farang line manager explained that they were not going to sort me out with a WP just for me to cover for 3 months (they wanted to save money) and that is why my requests continually fell on deaf ears.

in thailand, might is right; certain people do not care about right or wrong or the rule of law. and this is like a cancer at the heart of this state. they are sticking it to me because they are concerned about their reputation (i.e. they would rather see an innocent man go to jail than be seen for what they really are). they have no humility and are convinced of their own self-importance.

there is a fundamental problem with "the system". in many ways i like the order of things here but not the unquestioning obedience to people who do wrong; those who are less than righteous. thailand has some qualities that my country lacks and in some respects i like it better; however, some of the fundamental inadequacies serve to reduce this country to a quagmire of iniquity, despite its several good points. like my friend at the asian human rights commission said "you have rights, we have rice."

i feel that what farang manifesto is saying could be the whole and unavoidable truth. sometimes it is only through struggle that one can bring about change; there is tension between conflict avoidance and conflict resolution. we often say in the west: "you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs." sometimes i am amazed that anything gets done around here.

af

ps the premier league is by now an important global cultural icon; its stars are role-models for kids all over the world. the last thing i want to see is a corrupt businessman with blood on his hands sticking his face in.

matt 47 says:

"They are not being paid market wages. They are poorly managed. They are expected to do beyond what is written in their contracts. And many teachers are scammed and cheated by their schools. They are forced to leave the country for the wretched visa process. No matter what you think of some John Mark Karr types and the other social misfits who find themselves in the profession, it is not fair to condemn each and every English teacher and delegate them to the scumbag, exploited class."

If you are a qualified teacher with experience from your home country then you get treated very well here; high salaries, pay rises, promotions, visas taken care of etc. If you're foolish enough to accept less then you deserve what you get.

broadbandbully says:

AF, Even though I don't agree with you on the possibility of a football club chairman becoming a role model for children, I doubt they could tell you who the chairman or owner was. Should they know, I don't think that the his past will have much bearing on their lives.

I would be interested to know what blood Thaksin as on his hands?

fbuom says:

Farang Manifesto,

To clear up some points of confusion.....

Depending on when it was purchased, Bill Gates _can_ legally own land in Thailand - at least that's how I understand the US/Thailand Amity Treaty works/worked.

Richard Branson? Virgin Thailand probably has title.

Also, you have a, 'rose colored view' of how US immigration laws work.

A Yank can visit Thailand any time they want - all they need is the ticket. A Thai can only visit the US if they can prove they are unlikely to overstay their visa. 'Close ties' is the terminology, I believe. IMHO, the current US immigration laws should be called the, "Family Separation Act", since siblings of US residents/citizens are considered the greatest risk of flight. If the Thai applicant is not rich, fagettaboutit!

The Thai who enter the US on terms similar to how many ex-pats enter Thailand end up with similar 'visa run' requirements.

As for organizing ex-pats, others have pretty well spelled out why it won't happen. The only thing not explicitly stated is that US rights and attitudes concerning free speech and assembly don't exist in most countries of the world. With Thailand under martial law, only the Thai themselves can demonstrate - and only then with some risk to themselves!

fbuom

ajarn farang says:

"If you are a qualified teacher with experience from your home country then you get treated very well here; high salaries, pay rises, promotions, visas taken care of etc. If you're foolish enough to accept less then you deserve what you get."

you're obviously not a teacher are you matt. some of us don't want to teach the snotty-nosed kids of silver spoon spastics just so they can continue the cycle of corruption and privilege.

your rosy picture of education in thailand does not sound like it is in keeping with the experience of the majority. do you know what the flat rate for a lecturer in esl at chulalongkorn university is?

or perhaps in actual fact you are a teacher; only you're one of those "i'm alright jack" thai arse-lickers. perhaps if you work at an international school, they've got more money to throw around and are willing to do so - but are you saying that they treat you as an "equal"? i doubt it. as far as they're concerned, you are a "farang" in someone else's country. i've worked at a few places and i'd say that this is generally how it is (although some places/ people are obviously better/ worse than others).

mds says:

Farang Manifesto: "By the way, I don't know of any Thais who have been refused entry to West for whatever reason, but, then again, I don't know any hookers."

For "hooker" substitute "poor people". By deliberate policy of the U.S. Government It is almost impossible for a poor Asian to get a visitor visa to the U.S.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/denials/
denials_1361.html

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy is irrelevant, but please do not generalize that only hookers get denied visas.

Best Regards,

mds

chicagobob says:

Prufrock: Indeed it was a long weekend here in the LOS. Coronation day and I, my opinions and my ability to keep them to myself had a wonderful time.

O.K. Standing by for the vituperative polemic!

deadfred says:

Get another subject; I am bored as batshit with the pic of that guy..

Farang Manifesto says:

fbuom-

You wrote-

"Depending on when it was purchased, Bill Gates _can_ legally own land in Thailand - at least that's how I understand the US/Thailand Amity Treaty works/worked."

Give me one example of an American who holds title to land under the Treaty of Amity. Not an example in your head, but a real example. There is no evidence that Bill Gates or Richard Branson own land in Thailand.

You wrote-

"A Yank can visit Thailand any time they want - all they need is the ticket. A Thai can only visit the US if they can prove they are unlikely to overstay their visa. 'Close ties' is the terminology, I believe. IMHO, the current US immigration laws should be called the, "Family Separation Act", since siblings of US residents/citizens are considered the greatest risk of flight. If the Thai applicant is not rich, fagettaboutit!

The Thai who enter the US on terms similar to how many ex-pats enter Thailand end up with similar 'visa run' requirements."

What does this rambling nonsense mean?

An American can only go to Thailand if he can afford to go. A Thai can only afford to go to the US if he can afford to go.

The only difference between the two is that the Thai has to prove he will come back.

And there is a reason for this: When Thais go to wealthy countries, they have a tendency not to come back.

They also have a tendency to work on tourist visas which prohibit employment.

By the way, your argument is stupid.

So, how does your lame "but, but the Thais can't do this in the US" argument have to do the farang situation in Thailand?

Thais have it much easier as "immigrants" to the West than the other way around.

Thais can own land in the West; farang can't own land in Thailand.

Thais can own a hundred percent of their businesses in the West; farang can't own their businesses in Thailand.

Thais can make long-term visas and get employment in the West without discrimination by the government and their employers; farang don't have the same rights in Thailand.

Thais get national treatment in the West; farang are treated like second class citizens in Thailand--in business and under the court system.

The barriers to a Thai getting a tourist visa to the West is not the same thing as the barriers to potential immigrants to Thailand.

They are two separate issues.

Immigrants organize all over the world. They help each other out. When they are being exploited, they organize. There is a history of immigrants fighting for rights in Thailand. The Chinese did it when they first emigrated to Thailand, and now they are integrated into Thai society for the most part.

When the first farang explorers came to Thailand, they didn't put up with the bullshit either.

There was once a time when foreigners did have the right to own property and their own businesses in Thailand. There was once a time when farang could have their own newspapers in Thailand. There was once a time when foreigners had their own court systems in Thailand, because the Thai courts were corrupt.

All these things that were once rights no longer exist.

Your notion that free speech and the right to assembly are only US values is incredible lame, because under the UN charter for human rights, which Thailand is a signatory, it recognizes that all human beings have the right to organize and to protest. All human rights have the right to collectively bargain.

According the recent interim constitution, the Thai junta agreed to abide by all its international treaties and obligations.

So basically your post to me is wasted because you are making an argument based on your personal opinion, which has nothing to do with the actual law.

In the end, nothing is really stopping farang from political organizing.

And why shouldn't they organize, politically?

They organize for business e.g. Chamber of Commerce. They organize to for social get togethers. They organize for sports. They organize for charity.

But many farang have it in their minds that they have certain limitations on political organizing when there isn't.

The only thing stopping them are their own self-imposed limitations, which are based on either stupidity or fear.

Prufrock says:

chicagoblob in his own words kicks this entire exchange off with:

"Prufrock, Why are you so angry? Who are you angry with ?"
(bob begs the question in the spirit of therapeutic solicitousness after claiming to have read the entire blog role. . . fer shure ;-)

"my opinions and my ability to keep them to myself had a wonderful time" . . . (for holier than thou crowing that'd make Pat Robertson blush, you couldn't get better than that ;-)

and then: . "Standing by for the vituperative polemic!"

(Well chicagoblob, when ya piss into the wind the way you like to do, ya hafta expect a little spray-back, dontcha ;-?

Or am I quoting you out of context, or failing to pick up on some special kind of caring irony?, or missing the point, or misunderstanding you? or rejecting a gratuitous ascent by you to what you may see as the high road for yourself on this or any forum?

I mean which would it be blob?
And just how might we attain your level of civil comportment within the confines of a restrictive medium like a forum?

Would you care to answer a few of those questions, then ?

Do we get a response from you, here? Or just another one of those "Well, I'm just fine, thanks" things.

An actual answer would be more interesting, but that is clearly NOT what you're into, is it.

Poetic Justice says:

Prufrock,

Just wondering if Om Sin's daughter is up for a party? we are having friends over in BKK soon and I wonder if she was available for rent? And yes, you will get a cut from the proceeds.

BTW, enjoyed reading your back-pedaling, grovelling response to Tatoo dude. You wimp.

ps: don't try to offer me that 2 for 1 deal with Om Sin again: she has a gash like a wizard's sleeve.

See you soon Pru son...

p from k says:

what's a vituperative polemic? I thought this is about Thaksin buying some football club? Who gives a fuck anyway, really...? Are you Thai or from Manchester or some police man from upcountry?...yeah didnt't think so. So why bother with irrelevant posts consisting of nothing but bubbles and foam...

Visitors getting organised in Thailand...? what's all that about, if you live here you keep your head down, you can't win, there is madness all around and its not gettin' any better.

Good reading though, havin' a laugh and a half just catching up with the latest opinions on life in los

keep up the good work, cheers

Telemachus says:

I think the last thing anyone wants is to be dragged into a discussion with you Prufrock...

fbuom says:

Farang Manifesto,

My comments about Bill and Richard were in response to your, "Please point to me a place in Thai law that says Bill Gates or Richard Branson are entitled to own land."

Whether or not any Yanks actually own propertiy in Thailand is a different subject from the _right_ to own property. There may be many reasons why folks don't exercise rights that exist.

In fact, someone else pointed out somewhere that the reason the Thai government keeps 'extending' the treaty for 90 days is that far more Thai have taken advantage of the terms in the US than Yanks have in Thailand. That means lots of Yanks either don't know they really do have those rights, or they choose not to exercise them.

By the way, talk to a non-hiso Thai sometime. I believe Dicer points out somewhere that they're about as well treated as farang.

Discrimination in Thailand? Is that possible? Just look at the help-wanted ads in the Post. "Young, attractive....." starts just about every one - and applies to all, Thai or non-Thai.

Next, let's look at your comment above, "And there is a reason for this: When Thais go to wealthy countries, they have a tendency not to come back.

They also have a tendency to work on tourist visas which prohibit employment."

And paraphrase that to, "And there is a reason for this: When [Westerners] go to [Thailand, where they can live in more style than at home], they have a tendency not to come back.

They also have a tendency to work on tourist visas which prohibit employment."

Now, let's talk about the UN charter for human rights. Everything I've found concerning that implies it is non-binding - though it may be the foundation for some binding agreements. If it's not a treaty, if it ain't binding, it's not an obligation - thus, meritorious as it may be, fagetaboutit. A statement of ideals is all it is.

"What does this rambling nonsense mean?

An American can only go to Thailand if he can afford to go. A Thai can only afford to go to the US if he can afford to go."

What does it mean? It certainly isn't what I said. I implied that all a Yank requires to go to Thailand is the price of a ticket. The Thai worry about folks overstaying their visa when it happens. In contrast, a Thai wanting to vist the US needs more than a ticket, they need to pass a _very_ subjective test of whether they are likely to overstay their visa. One cannot learn what the pass/fail criteria are. ALL vistors to the US (with the exception of 29 countries) are, by law, assumed to want to overstay. And if you're a typical Thai related to a US citizen? Don't even bother to ask.

The whole purpose of my comparisons to the US was to illustrate, "Similar shit, different country". I compared US laws, etc. with Thailand, because those are the only ones with which I have personal experience.

I love your statement, "When the first farang explorers came to Thailand, they didn't put up with the bullshit either." That was a very common attitude of the Brits, the French, the Portugese, the Spanish and even the Yanks. Curiously, often backed up by cruising warships. Probably, too, among the reasons we're all so well loved in the non-Western world today.

Your whole position on organizing is based on a Yank point of reference, "Well, Toto, I guess we're not in Kansas anymore."

fbuom

somchai says:

farang manifesto,

1)
thais in the US have to do a 6-month visa run. farangs in thailand have to do a 3-month visa run.

the '6-month run' was ten years ago, it's probably different now. especially given all the controversies over immigrations in the US these days.

so someone might want to correct me...

__________________________________

2)
i have known thais who were in the US illegally, got caught on a routine traffic check, found out they overstayed their Visa, got deported back.

I'm not sure if any farang ever got deported for overstaying their visa. perhaps there are...

somone might want to correct me...

___________________________________
3)
thai can own 100% in the US. farangs can't in thailand. that's true. but again, let me point to 2 things.

the US is the biggest economy in the world. western countries have strong, developed economies.

thailand has a fragile, developing economy.

the govt's duty is to protect the interests of citizens, not foreigners.

>>> you may disagree and say this isn't the best way to do things (which is also my opinion), but you should also understand that this is within every rights of a country and a govt, regardless of your personal opinion.

it's not a moral or fairness issue, it's a legal and economic issue.

as i'm sure, wherever you're from, you would look for your govt to protect your interests over foreigners.

_____________________________________
4)
thais don't have it easier going to the US, trust me... getting a visa to the US is a bitch. ask any thai. even student visa, trust me, this is from first-hand experience.

any farang can come to thailand whenver they want.

pedophiles, pornographers, hobos, sexpats, gangsters, whinos... it's a free for all...

______________________________________
5)
many farangs overstayed their welcome just like many thais. i bet half the people on this board are here working illegally.

heck, david, are you a bonafide, legal expat with all the paperworks?

if anyone has to do the 3-month visa run, you're just diving through loopholes in the law.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, you do what you got to do, as i'm all for the global village. but don't be hypocritical about it.

__________________________________
4)
when farangs first came here, they owned whatever they wanted to own and they imposed a special law unto themselves.

that's because they came here with the 'gunboat policy'. Using forces, threats and intimidations to get what they want.

so, history tells us that 3rd world countries --- like thailand --- ought to be a bit paranoid and keep farangs at arm's lenght... like, for example, protecting thai business interests and land/property ownerhsip...

it's simply called 'learning from history'....

but you made it sound like 'gun-boat diplomacy' was a good thing ----

are you, farang manifesto, an imperialist?

Johnny Tokyo says:

Telemachus' Tourette-propelled "crie du coeur" finds it's way through that mildly incapacitating Asberger's thing with which he's been coping. He joins "hands thru the bars" with prison sex buddy, Pathetic Nonsense who's just decided that Prufrock's 14 year-old-step-daughter should be raped by him and his friends.

Charming.

There's only one guy on this board who'd ever think that was remotely funny.

Anyway, I have a pretty good idea who both you guys are.
This is easy.
And you both deserve what's coming to you anyway. Teley? You're up way past your bedtime aren't you or are you in another timezone. And, you, Pathetic Nonsense AKA dingdongrb/Kasman/Kas Man/ Om Sin and whatever else you need to call yourself to escape the reality that you are the most hated foreigner in Thailand, you are a sick man.

The two of you together, under your various aliases, sharing this hate Prufrock thing, are eerily reminiscent of the Richard Speck prison sex videos that were circulating a few years ago on the web. Speck, serving a life sentence for knifing six nurses to death and his shag buddy were shown cavorting in a cell.
dingdonrb, you get the Speck role and Tely? you of course would be his prison "top".

You two really have nothing to say (except the odd TOKEN bkk eference, do you, except to attack Prufrock.

Once again, Buckwheat.
You might as well have signed it.
And, Tely, you're shining through as well you boney-assed loser of a two-bit niche market share.
Glad I had a hand in that.

chicagobob says:

p from k wrote:

what's a vituperative polemic? I thought this is about Thaksin buying some football club?

My apologies, you're right.

Telemachus says:

I think the last thing anyone wants is to be dragged into a discussion with you Prufrock...

Telemachus, you're right on the money. I was going to come back with some witty retort for Prufrock, then it occured to me that it'll never end. He has an all consuming desire to be right on everything, and to have the last word on everything: I think I'll go back to being a passive observer.

broadbandbully says:

Touching Johnny Tokyo, Touching.

Saeb says:

Now, now Somchai ;Please do not use peculiar statements.
You say you were in the US with a green card but also mention having to do a 6 monthly visa run?.
Please explain this policy.

Consider this : My ex (Thai) wife:
It cost 250 pounds sterling for the visa application 4 years ago.
No interview no nuthin'-it was granted.

After 6 months she sends her passport off to the UK Home Office with a cheque for 250 pounds sterling.
She is granted 2 years and can immediately start work.
She is also entilteld to a free national insurance number, free health care, free education for any children she may have...........etc.

When those 2 years were up - even though we were divorced by then, she applied for permanent residency and was granted it. Cost?. Slightly more than 250 pounds sterling.

So, to get permy residence in UK cost all of 50,000 Baht - free medical care for ever, free education, a police force that is largely not corrupt, free lawyers if she needs them.

As a healthy woman this is going to work out at 1000 Baht per year for her and she doesn't need to jump through any hoops to work, worry about medi care costs or saving money to educate kids.

Now - foreign folks in Thailand?.

You made another point about foreign people not being deported for working illegaly : Ahem - IDC. You have heard of it haven't you?.
Presumably you have also read the recent news reports of language instructors without the correct certification being thrown in IDC and deported?.

If the work permit regulations were simplified more Thai companies would be willing to do things legally for their foreign staff, as it is, they are complex and as you well know there is always some 'official' with his hand out.

Then more foreign staff would pay tax and this would benefit the country in general.

Thailand is not a third world country - every time I put on the tv I am constantly reminded about Thailand's ancient and rich heritage.
So then, how can you have an ancient society and still be thirld world given the money that the US has thrown at Thailand over many, many years?.

The word that everybody knows and laughs about.....c-o-rr-u-ption.
And it isn't funny.

S & W says:

I find this discussion funny. Comparing Thailand with the West is comparing a ping pong show in Patpong with the Moulin Rouge.

The only thing to do now is to get out of Thailand and not come back. There are plenty of nice places to go to where western people are genuinly welcome. I won't miss the Thais and they won't miss me, maybe only my money.

Johnny Tokyo says:

Pathetic Nonsense AKA dingdongrb/Kasman/Kas Man/Om Sin
+-and formerly and soon to again quiet chap chicagoblob who claims he was going to: "come back with some witty retort for Prufrock, then it occurred to me that it'll never end"

It ended, goof.
I ended it.
Unless you want to hang around to whine and yap and snivel some more. Oh, yes and your specialty, claim some kind of droite de seigneur on some implied high road.

You're a non-starter. A pussy.
You're on the fucking floor.
You can't get one in.

And look at the freaks who you've got huddled in your fucking corner. You post nothing of ANY value whatsoever except your implied claims to some elevated code of conduct.
Do you think you speak for some kind of silent majority or something, you pathetic fart-stain on life's Y-fronts?

You look great down there, teamed up with transsexual lifer, Richard Speck and kiddie-fiddler Pathetic Nonsense.

You fools don't have the language skills to take Prufrock on. Even all oiled up and in a great big pile, you bitches just can't do it. And blob's loser-style mumble as he tries to crawl out of the room is what the street lets a chump get away with after it's beaten him to a fucking pulp.

You nitwits all just got your fucking faces pushed in on this board.

Why don't you fucking geniuses, all two or three of you, post something worthwhile instead of coat-tailing everyone else's posts?

Especially mine.

somchai says:

saeb,

please read carefully and you'll find nothing peculiar...

1)
i didn't say i had to do the 6-month run, other people who were there illegally had to. (people who only had tourist visa). i was legal.

2)
i did say that i didn't know of farangs getting deported, and i also said i could be wrong, and if i were, someone should correct me. so i see no problem here.

3)
you're saying rules and laws in the UK are more advanced than in Thailand?

good for you. i agree with you. so it's not a point of argument.

4)
don't believe what you read on tourism website. Thailand isn't ancient.

Thailand as we know it is only 200 years in the making.

if you go back to sukhothai, it only began in the 1300s. (i may be off a century or 2 here, can't be bothered to check)

in any case, england, france, etc... are much older country than thailand.

but what has that got to do with anything?

5)
concerning foreigners, i've said many times already, i'm all for an open border, let foreigners work here if they wish, own properties and all...

to me, it will only be better for the country...

but if the majority of thais see otherwise, then hey... a soverign nation is free to make its own laws.

as a guest, i respect the laws of the countries i've lived in -- and that's the US and the UK.

i don't agree with all the laws, but i'm not a citizen of the country.

i can have debate about those laws, norms, culture, values... but in the end, i respect them as i'm a guest in someone else's home.

it's called being civilized.

unless, of course, if the law is something crazy like all female-borned babies have to have vaginal circumsion like in many african countries ---

so, there's no black and white, it's huge greay area that exists within the bound of reasons and humanity...

6)

and what does 'ancient' have to do with being 3rd world?

ethiopia is ancient, are you saying it's not a 3rd world country?

the majority of thais live in poverty and rural areas, we are poor.

you may argue that people are poor because wealth is distributed unequally and there's a lack of opportunity and a huge gap between the rich minority and the poor majority... and a lot of that has to do with corruption and poorly developed economy and infrastructure...

well, i agree

why are you trying to make a point that corruption plagues thailand? argue with someone else who disagree with you.

i've repeated times and times again how fucked up my country is...

i hope there's no more peculiarity...

Prufrock says:

"Comparing Thailand with the West is comparing a ping pong show in Patpong with the Moulin Rouge". . . . quipped, S&W s he risked sophist censure as a Eurocentrist at the hands of 3rd rate sociology profs from 3rd rate, 3rd world Unis ;-)

Poetic Justice says:

@Johnny Tokyo...

"Oh Johnny, Johnny wouldn't let go..."

hehe

Well Johnny, my boy, if I ever read a post that was pure projection and wish fulfilment, you take the biscuit.

"...who's just decided that Prufrock's 14 year-old-step-daughter should be raped by him and his friends."

I can hear you licking you lips Johnny boy...haha

"There's only one guy on this board who'd ever think that was remotely funny."

You mean your father?

"...Pathetic Nonsense AKA dingdongrb/Kasman/Kas Man/ Om Sin..."

Way off the mark son, keep guessing...

"You two really have nothing to say (except the odd TOKEN bkk eference (sic), do you, except to attack Prufrock."

So why are you replying to a post that was originally addressed to Prufrock? Mmmmm? Of course you and Pru and the same.

Your patter stinks. It is repetitive,, bland and pedestrian.

As for Om Sin's daughter? well, the girl of a 1000 fathers didn't object to you giving her private lessons did she?

hehe

What I'm really looking forward to is The Ubon Herald's expose of your escapades in Boy's Town last week. I've read the first draft and it is very amusing. Of course, when you read it you'll be mortified. But you do bring such misfortune upon yourself don't you my son....

hehe

thai phile says:

All of you complain about Prufrock's posts, but they are the ones I stop at when scrolling down. There's a frisson about them that is compelling.

Johnny Tokyo says:

Pathetic Nonsense:

There's no need to talk about projection here you full-on virgin-stalking pedophile lout.

Scroll up. This was YOUR proposal, YOUR pornography. YOU said this. YOU ran this as a "funny but YOU did not leave any room for doubt.
And YOU might as well have signed it.

That's not projection by me. That's admission by YOU
ARE WE CLEAR NOW?

You requested a sexual encounter with Prufrock's Om Sin and her 14 year old daughter.
This would be you and a group of your friends as you said, so not only would it be pedophilia, it would amount to a dog-pack rape of a little girl. Nice.

A laugh riot. What a card.

To wit, this is what you said. And I quote you in context. It's up there:

Poetic Justice says:May 9, 2007 12:59 AM
(so we've got you alone at 1 in the morning, plotting THIS)

"Just wondering if Om Sin's daughter is up for a party? we are having friends over in BKK soon and I wonder if she was available for rent?"

We all know who is the only SLEAZOID on this board who would a) find that disgusting proposal funny and b) would try to concoct a rational for it, and c)would propose it in the first place.

You like kiddie-porn and gang rape child molestation?
You, Pathetic Nonsense, are chat-room, forum, blog-role smegma.

You're looking for under-age girls? You say you are. You proposed a session. You were just kidding? The Thais aren't into this kind of humor, Buckwheat. And now, you are totally bustable.
I have the money to do it :-) and I drink with the cyber-crimes guys.

So here's a little porn for YOU. Admittedly, this IS projection. I'll just start it with a question.

When you're in the quiet of your night trying to get to sleep, how does it feel to know that there are men here who'd kill you for nothing ?

More than likely, they'd do it just for the sheer pleasure of watching you:

i) deny, then confess these perversions
ii) rationalize, filth as perpetrated for the greater good
iii) beg for your life as you're shoved to the left, past the bike racks, in that alley behind Nana Plaza.
iv) talk about the joke having gone far enough as you piss your pants
v) shit yourself (the look on your face when the penny drops would be worth it)
v) cry - when we get more of your "talky hit" schtick (just nerves-it'll be over shortly)

Your moment of resignation. (There usually IS one BTW.)

Om Sin does the wet work from behind. Like I said, it'd be someone who's kind of into the job. And guns attract so much attention.
I'll leave the rest up to you, smegma breath.

broadbandbully says:

No doubt now, Pro's Frock and Johnny Toyboy are one and the same.

Give the little fellow his due, he might be safely tucked away 10000 miles away in his Canadian bedroom, but he as the knack of winding plenty of posters up.

I for one find him very amusing, too many holes in his stories to actually live in the LOS, there are plenty of books he could have read to give him info on Thai Working Girls, even "High End", probably meant "High Class" but the young man made as to make slip ups here and there.

His sidekick alter ego Johnny Toyboy reveals more about the young Pro's Frock, Frustration! He's getting to the age were he knows what to do with his penis but hasn't had the chance to put all that practise into actual effect.

I have beaten him more than once verbally on this site, so now he ignores me. Last week he didn't post and MS was the better for it, anyone disagree?

Next we'll hear That Pro's Frock as put a bid in for Man City, with his level of Bullshit, I wouldn't put it past him.

Pork Chop says:

Yes, Prufrock has frigggin' frisson: he fizzles with frissoness that is so funky. Not to mention the jism of his wizdom...

ajarn farang says:

dear broadbandbully,

i would dispute your assertion that chairmen of premier league soccer clubs were not really in the public eye.

of course, the players are the ones who the children look up to above all but being connected with persons of ill repute can only lead to disrepute, surely?

the premier league is not just an english entity anymore, it is a worldwide phenomenon and it should be protected and enhanced, not diminished or sullied.

for an introduction to "thaksin and the war on drugs", see:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/
ENGASA390012003?open&of=ENG-THA

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/10/04/
thaila9441.htm

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/07/07/
thaila9014.htm

Telemachus says:

Must be nice having a split personality, eh Prufrock. When you are in trouble Johnny Tokyo comes forward to protect you. It is sad that in order to protect to ever so precious Prufrock persona, the vehicle for your pseudo intellectual strivings, you had to create the "thug" Tokyo. In one of your earlier posts you even admitted to posting as Tokyo, Prufrock and a few others; that was before you went completely off the deep end. People posting under different names also seems to be something that incenses you
yet you do it yourself. Give us a break.

Do you also have conversations with yourself in the mirror? Does one hand talk to the other, you Canadian psycho.

I must admit I enjoy Prufrock the most, he is the softer side of your pathology but really if you could integrate all the personality fragments, admit that as a human I am sometimes vunerable and I can't control that and forgive your past abusers and victimisers, then perhaps you would no longer need to prove and validate yourself through "Prufrock" and defend yourself through "Johnny Tokyo". These artifacts of childhood would simple vanish and you would feel a sense of relief and would finally be able to continue your life happy and free. I wish you best of luck you little psycho.

jollyboy says:

Who gives a shit if Thaksin buys Man city, my old country is finished anyway, give me Isaan anyday than ' new labour , new britain, = crime, corruption, smelly fat slags - sorry I mean't english ' ladies ' , oh and if you think Thaksin is corrupt try looking a little closer at the u.k. - Mandelson, Levy, sainsbury,prescott...

Mr Thaksin, bangkokchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers

don't worry lads everything is under control.
l've found out where the real Thaxo's daughter eat's at in London.

Oversea's student hunter Thaxo is on the case, hopefully l'll be ball's deap in a female Thaxo before the end of the summer.

Will keep you all informed on progress and if l get any picty's on my camera phone will give davo first exlusive rights.

Thaxo.

broadbandbully says:

AF, thank you for the links, re "Blood on Thaksin's Hands".
Not the most impartial of reports especially from AI. I'm sure I read that the incidents of drug dealing declined 10 fold following the "accidents" that the Drug dealers had!

Thaksin is only one of around twelve interested parties in Man City. Is it also certain that he would become Chairman if he did gain control? Bear in mind most people in the UK will say "Who?" if Thaksin does take over. As soon as a sport becomes professional it looses all social norms in the pursuit of more money. Fact of life. Check out Juventus and their sponsor, a sattilite company of Libya's gaddafi. Now he as got blood on his hands, but I don't remember the Juve' fans protesting.

anonymous says:

That post by "thai phile" is obvioulsy done by the loser Prufrock himself. Pathetic.

Wombat says:

A somewhat interesting example of pack mentality here. Apparently it is open season on Prufrock & his alter ego Johnny Tokyo. In fairness I prefer it if everyone kept to the same handle. Yet the most offensive comment that has been made here in the last few days belongs to Poetic Justice & I quote "Just wondering if Om Sin's daughter is up for a party? we are having friends over in BKK soon and I wonder if she was available for rent?". This about an apparently 14 year old girl. Has living in the sexual paradise that is Thailand so twisted your tastes or were you lot always like this. Do any of you have no sense of decency. What a pack of pricks. Complete fucking arseholes.

fbuom says:

broadbandbully,

You wrote above, "Last week he didn't post and MS was the better for it, anyone disagree?"

Couldn't agree more. All you jerks who have nothing better to post than insults directed at him didn't post, either!

Fewer posts for me to scroll past.

I don't think Prufrock and I can be considered best of friends- we have our disagreements - but at least Prufrock has the ability to offer comments worth reading.

Missed him, didn't miss you one bit!

And for God's sake, you bully, EVERYONE knew Johnny Tokyo and Prufrock are one and the same. He came clean months ago! Your, gee, I think Johnny Tokyo is really Prufrock comments reveal a whole lot about you.

fbuom

Prufrock says:

fbuom

Good one fbuom
Geez, some clear thinking from someone.

And you're also pretty accurate about the nature of my posts. And certainly accurate about these twats who are so "intent" in exposing the Johnny Tokyo thing. And the even more hilarious nitwits who offer in-depth psychoanalysis of the JT trope.

I've come to the conclusion over the past seven months . after reading this blog and the comments on it in its entirety, that three quarters of the posters do NOT read what they comment on.

And that's what screws up the continuity here.

broadbandbully says:

For Christ's sake, My main soapbox stand is having a go at people who don't stick to post threads and go on the attack rather than discussing the issues. I try to stay on topic where possible

What can do? Before you tell me, no I wont.

Prufrock says:

anonymous says:

"That post by "thai phile" is obvioulsy done by the loser Prufrock himself. Pathetic."

(straight deal) Actually, there anonymous, no, it definitely was not me. (incidentaly, I see you've started signing your anonymous posts ;-)

Thank you, "thai phile" if indeed your post was meant as it appeared. Hard to tell in this climate of jealousy and envy.

And yes, I confess, that I actually do attempt a certain level of engagement.I like unusual diction.
Is that a crime?

And I'm pleased to see that some of the people who read my posts have taken the time and a few words to support me.

Perhaps that is what the cackling flock of vile garbage mouth shit birds resents most of all. The cackling chorus definitely gets louder when someone else says they've enjoyed the post.
So I must be doing something right ;-)

And thanks Wombat.
My reference to Om Sin's daughter was offhand enough ; a sort of by-the-by comment to say that I'd enjoyed the "family aspect" of her visit.

And then it was followed by an account of a fairly extensive bar prowl. But What did Pathetic(perverse) Nonsense chose to focus on? (Vile perversion)

Not a comment on the sometimes sorry state of affairs in the farang bars.
Oh no. "Perverse Nonsense went after the child. And her mother. It's up there.

And then "Perverse" taunts me for suspecting him to be the one obvious person on this board who'd think that horrific fantasy was of any interest.

Perverse Nonsense's fantasies of pack-raping an innocent youngster were very telling, weren't they?.
We know who you are Pathetic Nonsense. You and your whole posse spread great depth and color throughout the conversation here.

Not only had he to lie, fantasize and smear me as a pervert (not as a man who willingly and happily supplies the comforts of security and a good secure life to a mother and daughter he cares about.) Perverse Nonsense had to gratuitously smear an innocent young girl.
(Her father is unable to care for her. We know who he is BTW, I can't reveal more than that for obvious reasons) Then he needed to smear and he laid another smear on Om Sin.

Johnny Tokyo is not a real person to me. Have you never heard of this sort of trope before? You are an illiterate fool. You should get an education.

But no, like most profoundly lazy conversationalists, you resort to being an intellectual "cut-purse" of sorts whose only recourse to a well-placed sword thrust is to steal the language of the post and vulgarize it.

But after all, you are embarrassingly stupid.
You know this.

From time to time I chose not to respond to some of the more boring and gratuitously offensive posters here.

As far as my choosing to ignoring other members of Pathetic Nonsense's obscene pack of horrific bores, well I do that from time to time but I will say what I want on this board won't I?

Yes that is what I chose.

And when they say some thing patently untruthful, such as "we're all racists here" I may or may not respond.

Yes, I do that. It is my decision. I only respond to posts that interest me for one reason or another.
Sue me.

Om Sin and her daughter? These people are real people to me. I mention them for no other reason than to say they are part of my life here. They will never be part of yours.

But the rank puss Pathetic Nonsense spouts ("puss" as in "abscess, BTW) will inevitably ooze to a breaking point though won't it?

Pathetic and those who play in his club are blog-roll smegma. (Am I repeating myself there, whoever it might be, that sees himself handing me grades and marks ;-?
Tough shit.

Your thoughts are nothing to me and little more to anyone else from the looks of it.

Prufrock says:

broadbandbully says:

"My main soapbox stand is having a go at people who don't stick to post threads and go on the attack rather than discussing the issue"

. . . . oh for god's sake bigbroadbelly, get the fuck over yourself. Who was the LAST cunt who made himself to be doing this sort of thing for "the greater good"
That's right.
Now you aren't him.
But when you talk like this you may as well be!

If all you can do is attack people who write better than you do and actually have seomthing to say.You'll be tired in no time.
Nearly EVERYONE else has something to say.
And it's not on topic most of the time. So bring it back on topic.
Or are you just too fucking verbally inept to get into that ??

broadbandbully says:

Pro's Frock,

I'm not going down to your level, your'e really loosing it! Whats wrong?

Prufrock says:

Hey bigbroadbelly the second last thing slobs like you blurt out after they've been slapped around a little is, of course, a whining:
"I'm not going down to your level"

Not only can you not write; it's evident that you're too lazy to read. And your memory ain't that good as well.
Fuck, belly, good people on the board are even trying to tell you you're losing credibility.

All you do, it seems, after you spot your name on the blog role, is grab your keyboard and pound away about me.
Ignore me, belly. Ignore me.
You'll feel better.

Try that football thread, maybe. You were probably making sense there though I confess, spectator sport is an area I'm not terribly drawn to. And you were on topic, which is a thing you deem extremely important.
So important that you invoke it like (he who shall not be named) invoked the various transgressions of HIS stalking victim.
If you have nothing to contribute but your same old re-hashed complaints and lies and made-up shit you could always just fuck off and leave me alone

You know how to ignore me don't you?
So ignore me.
Cuddle up to Perversely Pathetic Nonsense and THAT pack of nitwit wizards he likes to blow. I hear the idiot is busy working on another Ubon Herald post. They love that shit over there.
Makes them feel as if they can write.

ajarn farang says:

dear broadbandbully,

with respect, juve have just been nailed over corruption charges so i am hardly surprised that they are not whiter than white (you were aware that the mafia come from italy?).

the premiership is the envy of the world: as a british citizen, i would rather not see a human rights abuser involved. maybe i'm just old-fashioned.

you mention that "the incidents of drug dealing declined 10 fold following the war on drugs"; perhaps you would advocate this approach in the UK? it might be fun to liquidate some of those yardie gangs we've been hearing so much about. let's send in the sas, only dressed up as drum n' bass enthusiasts, so that one notices. in fact, why don't we just drop some tactical nukes on brixton - that way we'll be sure to nail the perps (and best of all, no witnesses!!)!

broadbandbully says:

AF, you mean to tell me the mafia come from Italy????????

I wonder if the families of all those affected by the deaths and trouble's of drug user's would like to try the Thaksin drug control method. Or would they prefer the current status quo were you spend more time in prison for burglery than Dealing in drugs.

The Thaksin approach is probably over the top, but a tougher climate in the UK might stem the taken for granted illegal drug market.

Matt says:

Prehaps the Major Fraud Office should investigate. Mr. S oughta ask the Saudis for advice :)

ajarn farang says:

dear broadbandbully,

"the thasksin approach is probably over the top"

ever heard of that little thing called a trial?

no, i don't think the families of those affected by the deaths and trouble's of drug user's in the UK would like to try the thaksin drug control method. because what you have then is a free-for-all; a licence to kill with impunity, which dismisses the rule of law and leads to abuses of power.

it's not civilised behaviour. or do you disagree?

broadbandbully says:

AF,

Read my last post for answer!

I doubt we'll ever agree on the if's and buts of most topics. However when I make a bad call I will own up to it, and it appears that Thaksin is in the driving seat for the take over of Man City, should be a done deal by end of june. Goes to show how much i'm up on the goings on in Premiership boardrooms!

As i'll be back in the UK for most of june lets see what the Fleet Street press as to say on the Thaksin human rights angle?

ajarn farang says:

chai.

divad says:

does anyone know any bangkok bars where they will NOT be showing ANY (live or repeat) Stanley Cup games.

I'd like to avoid all the haaaaaagh-aaagaagh-keeeeeaaagh wankers.

thanks