Sex, lies and the Bangkok AIDS Conference

s says:

" Life is all about choices "

True, but...

that also means, that sometimes (not always), you have to choice between

(for example)

A a-gogo
B get intimidated/or worse.. im sure you can think of something...

Having choices doesnt always mean the choices and possibilities are good....

Tho, i agree in general that the western world is acting crazy and paranoia about most a-gogo and "sextourist" (stupid word) cases in Asia

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

About President Bush's policy on HIV/AIDS, you say, "George W. Bush won't be showing his face, though. His administration still clings to the belief that AIDS can be tacked by urging people not to have sex." This is a repetition of the tag line repeated ad nauseum by the liberal media, which you parroted uncritically and without checking your facts.

Here is a statement by the Bush administration on the topic: "We've been very clear and very supportive of an approach similar to the one that has been successful in Uganda, which is abstinence, faithfulness, and use of condoms ...[federal] dollars will be spent on condoms."

Also, note this quote from a statement given at the AIDS conference by one of the US delegates to the conference, Randall Tobias, U.S. global AIDS coordinator: "The U.S. government is not against condom use. We will make condoms available to individuals who indulge in high- risk behaviour."

The leftist press would rather not report data like this to you. Instead, they accuse the administration of pushing abstenance on the unwilling, and downplaying the importance of condoms and therapy. Not true, sorry.

The Bush administration has committed US$15 billion to combatting AIDS; if only used for abstenance programs that would be enough money to cover the world a mile deep in public service ads and pleading social workers. This is obviously not the reality, it is simply the impression that the liberal media wants you to take away from the public discourse.

By the way, neither John Kerry, nor John Edwards, or Al Sharpton, or Ralph Nader, nor any of the rest of those all-too-caring liberal politicians "showed their faces" at that conference either. They don't need to skulk off to Nana or Cowboy, they have all the congressional aides they can fuck right there in Washington, and for free to boot. They probably use condoms, too, because the aides don't want AIDS of their own.

For info on the Bush administration's (real) policy on HIV/AIDS, to to the official White House website, http://www.whitehouse.gov

zed says:

boy....is UBANGI actually Ann Coulter ?

Dark says:

Dear Zed,

Great way to avoid discussing the issue.

I like Coulter, tall, blond and patriotic.

Bush is not perfect but he's done a lot better than
Gore would've.
So what points do you disagree with in Ubangi's post and can you counter them backed-up with facts?

Dark

John U says:

"George Bush is not perfect"

Quite an understatement by any standards. Same thing can be said about Tony Blair of course. I'm not especially singling out the US Pres. Others did that.

What a record he has on the environment and on "justice for all".

When guys like him and Blair erode protection of the law to support their so called prevention of terrorism acts beware.

The law was formulated by our forebears to protect everybody from the powerful criminal bully boys, and was sufficient already. They knew what it was like to live under brutal regimes, mostly in the UK, and the laws were our safety net.

I wonder what you think Gore would have been worse at? Come on Dark. You say you like the facts. Give us some

Perhaps he would not have gone to war in Iraq? That would have been a pity. There would have been so many US soldiers left alive to claim welfare benefits.

Ann Coulter? Coming from the UK I don't know much about her except that she's generally accepted as a right wing extremist.

I think all extremists, right, left, muslim, jews, catholics should be allowed to spout whatever rubbish they like. And they should all be broadcast to the widest possible audience without fear of prosecution. That is the only way that intelligent people can weigh up their ideas and reject or embrace them.

I don't give a toss about what Bush says about condoms, but I'll be mightily relieved when he no longer has his finger on the nuclear trigger.

Mr White says:

Just another case of corporate back scratching.
You wanted facts? try these.

In May 2002, Bush Administration representatives at the UN Children's Summit opposed the use of condoms for HIV/AIDS prevention.

In July 2002, Bush withheld from the UN Population Fund $US34 million in funding for birth control, maternal and child care and HIV/AIDS prevention. In August, he withheld more than $US200 million in funding programs to support women and tackle HIV/AIDS in Afghanistan.

In January 2003, the US killed a deal agreed to by 143 World Trade Organisation members to allow developing countries without the ability to produce cheaper generic drugs for HIV/AIDS and other diseases to import generic drugs at lower prices from countries such as India, rather than the more expensive patented drugs from the US and Europe.

The US pharmaceutical manufacturing industry is one of the top 10 industry contributors to federal US political campaigns. Prescription drugs cost twice as much in the US as in other developed countries, and the industry makes three times the profit of other industries.

Bush could do far more to minimise the AIDS epidemic now sweeping the Third World by reversing the infamous "global gag rule", which promotes needless deaths by discouraging safe sex, and unwanted pregnancies, which lead to unsafe abortions.

The International Planned Parenthood Federation calls the policy "Bush's secret war" and says his actions "are a testament to the Bush Administration's war against women and his overall contempt for their fundamental civil and human rights".

Bush's war against women has regional as well as global security implications, implications that the Clinton administration recognised.

At a UN Population Fund meeting in Auckland last week, the New Zealand Health Minister said 40 per cent of the Pacific Islands' contraceptives previously came from donors such as the fund, but that by 2000, partly because of the success of the safe-sex awareness programs, donors met only 27 per cent of the region's estimated needs.

US bullying in international forums and its effort to gut international reproductive health programs was in evidence yet again at the UN Asian and Pacific Regional Population Conference, held last December in Bangkok (and at which the US was represented because of its ownership of the island of Guam).

According to Dr Martha Campbell from the Berkeley School of Public Health, "the Bush delegation was young, pro-life, bright, well trained, legally savvy, deceptive and threatening . . . In the corridor we witnessed the US delegation threatening at least one high-level Asian delegate with his country's loss of US foreign aid and the loss of his own career".

In the wash-up, every country represented at the meeting defied the US, but all their time was taken up, according to Campbell, in "preventing damage by a 500-pound gorilla from Guam".

The US delegation demanded the deletion of a recommendation for "consistent condom use" to fight AIDS, even though a Berkeley study found condom distribution to be astonishingly cost-effective, at $US3.50 a year of life saved. In contrast, antiretroviral therapy costs more than $US1000.

Source: Kenneth daividson, The Age

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

I suspect your tune will change just a tad when that first jetliner smashes into the Tower of London, and be in full retreat when the second one hits your House of Commons.

Nobody knows better than us that freedom is priceless; we Americans revolted to become free from the Brits, don't forget. However, at what point do you lock your house at night? And, does that mean you're no longer free, just because you need the right key to get in?

9/11 happened because of the ineffective response of the Clinton administration to the attacks on the West African embassies, the USS Cole, etc. YOU might have preferred Gore, but WE might not have a building left standing here if he'd won.

John Howard for PM!

Mr. White says:

Who exactly is this "we" that you are referring to Ubangi Me? If I recall correctly, over 50% of American voters voted for Gore. george bush stole the office with the help of his rich friends in the Supreme Court.

As for 9/11, it happened because of America's imperialism and because of America's constant propping up of Isreal.

Am I wrong?

Oh, and don't get me started on John Howard. I have never seen anything as disgusting as John Howard falling all over himself to touch bush last month when they made a joint appearance on the White House lawn. On the walk from the podium back inside, Howard groped bush no less than 4 times. He must have been cumming in his pants at the final realization of his political wet dream.

disgusting.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Good source. A wild-eyed liberal commentator in an Australian Newspaper, talking all about what the US, who spends more on international aid than the GDP of most countries, Australia included, ISN'T doing.

Like I say, go ahead and accept this moron's opinions uncritically, without checking. Thank God you don't vote in American elections. It's bad enough that you apparently vote in Australia.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

"Who exactly is this "we" that you are referring to Ubangi Me? If I recall correctly, over 50% of American voters voted for Gore. george bush stole the office with the help of his rich friends in the Supreme Court."

Ignorance of the Electoral College concept and its justification is no excuse. Go read.

"As for 9/11, it happened because of America's imperialism and because of America's constant propping up of Isreal."

Well, according to Bin Laden, it happened to "drive the infidels from the holy land of Islam", fellow infidel. Don't laugh, you're next.

Meister says:

Ubangi,

Check your facts Clinton actually has a very good record on battling international terrorism. He actually offered to brief the intelligence people taking over just before his departure. This was turned down the the coming Bush administration. Bush also pushed through massive cuts in the US Anti-Terrorism budget. Iraq has no WMD and was not a threat to the West and possibly not even it's neighbours. Bush is seen the world over as a joke. Is that the best guy you could come up with? Iraq could turn into the next Vietnam.

Meister

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Check your facts: Bush left all the top intelligence people in place from the Clinton Administration. Small wonder his people didn't need Clinton's briefing: His people WERE Clinton's people.

They're saying that the was was caused partially due to intelligence failures. Now it would have been prevented by an INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING? Christ, what is the use of trying to discuss this logically?

Believe me, I travel the world over, and I know very well what the US looks like from the outside. If I didn't live here, and I only got my information from the leftist infotainment media, I would think about the US much like you do. Just as the media distort the entire US, they reserve special vitriol for Republicans and conservatives of all stripes, and not only in the US. Based on this, you will make judgements about US politicians? Why don't I try getting useful information about England from a London tabloid?

It boils down to this: In most cases, your country is there because our country was here. If you want to form your opinions of the US by watching "Farenheit 911", rather than studying reputable sources, go ahead. We'll be there for you next time, anyway.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Wait, I just re-read the "Meister" comment wherein it says that Iraq was no threat to its neighbors!! LOL!!! A 10-year war against Iran, NO THREAT?! Invasion of Kuwait NO THREAT?!

Forget it, this is ridiculous. Bring back Isabull/Beak/Godzilla/Kevin. At least when THEY were wrong, they didn't look THIS stupid!

I'm outa this thread. No intelligent life here. I hijacked it from its real intent anyway.

Anonymous says:

"leftist infotainment media", No the BBC generally though of as the least biased news source in the world. Rightly so in my view especially compared to Fox news.

"They're saying that the was was caused partially due to intelligence failures. Now it would have been prevented by an INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING? Christ, what is the use of trying to discuss this logically?"

I'm an avid reader of world news. apparently Bush's team did turn down briefing, maybe incorrect but who knows. Could 11/9 (sorry but I must be pompus and correct this) have been prevented by sharing information and following up on leads? The possibility is certainly there. I form my beliefs solely from Mr Moore. I agree maybe of his assertions and exagerated, twisted, or simply untrue - but many of them aren't. One thing that I was shocked about was the reaction of Bush during the morning of 11/9 attacks. He continued with a school visit, the look on the guys face was like a lost little boy. It took him 10 minutes to move from the class after being told about the second plane. Jesus Christ, American has many intelligent people on the Left and the Right - get somebody and else and save yourselves and the view of the US from many other countries is getting worse. You can see this yourself. A friend of mine lives in Idaho and is involved in the Democrat party - shall I get him to send you a Kerry badge! Apolgies for insulting your president, but it needs to be done.

Meister...

PS.

No need to slag off Tony Blair, he's a complete arse kissing cunt, I'm with you on that one!

Meister says:

Mildly amusing (except for those right of centre)

http://www.bushisms.com/

Meister says:

Oops many errors in the first post....

"I form my beliefs solely from Mr Moore"

Should read "I don't form...."

Was taking a call at the same time. Apologies to all.

mr peter says:

I'm just a simple sex tourist and don't claim to be an expert on world affairs. But it seems to me that it's become almost the trendy thing to knock any president, not just Bush but whoever gets elected. I'm sure if Gore had got in we would be seeing the media bash him by people calling him gormless gore or something of the sort. Come to think of it who was the last president that was not the butt of lefty comedians and the media for one reason or another?
The USA does not get it right every time but just remind me wasn't it them who rescused the world from self destructive european nationalism, facism and communism? I thought it was the USA that spent vast amounts to rebuild europe and Japan after WW2. Would it not be fair to say that wihout the USA Thailand might very well still be still a colony of Japan and that Europe would be under the heel of the commies or the nazi's? seems to me people have very short memories where the USA is concerned. Sneer about GW Bush all you like, I'm not claiming he's a genius, but I know I'd rather have his finger on te trigger than some commie dictator or mad mullah. God bless America-peter

John U says:

I agree with nearly everything you say Mr.Peter including God Bless America, and I'm a Brit.

The only thing I'd disagree with (as far as the UK is concerned anyway) is "spent".

We were "lent" and it took the UK many belt tightening years to pay it back. However, I'm not knocking that. If it wasn't for the US with their vast natural resources, wealth and manpower we'd have been well and truly fucked.

I was taking to a yank in one of the gogo bars - can't remember which one - and he said (bless him) - "one thing about the Brits, they've never been whupped".

I told him if it wasn't for you lot we'd have been part of the Third Reich, or maybe a Russian satellite state. We had certainly shot our bolt and needed Lease Lend to bail us out.

mr peter says:

Yes I think you are right there about us having to pay back whereas defeated nations did not as far as I know. Also, did we not have to promise to start and give up the empire after the war in exchange for a few old WW1 ships off the yanks prior to them jumping into WW2, and then only because the japs had a go at them. Still they did give us Hank Williams, Jimi Hendrix and Billie Holiday.-peter

Mr. White says:

"Would it not be fair to say that wihout (sic) the USA Thailand might very well still be still a colony of Japan"

What?!
This episode in history must come from the same history book which contains the story about when America found Iraq's WMD.

Meister says:

"one thing about the Brits, they've never been whupped"

Yanks have never been good on their History. I can think of Afganistan

1839 Beginning of the first Afghan-British War.

1842 British army is badly defeated. Out of 16,500 British troops, only one made it out of Afghanistan alive. Dost Mohammed resumes control but becomes a British Ally.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~mvcarmac/history.html

Sounds like a whupping to me. Oh and there's also the Zulu war. Will you stop throwing those bloody spears ay me!

Get a life says:

Mr. White, you seem totally unaware of 20th. century history. There are many good books on the subject, I suggest you read a few. If I had the time and/or inclination I'd do a Google search for you, but I can't be arsed.

I am not over fond of America or Americans, but it has to be said that without them we'd now all be speaking German (well, I wouldn't. Touch of the Red Sea pedestrian in the bloodline!)

usvirgin says:

You guys are straying far from topic in discussing the Bush administration's other failures. Why does that always happen whenever his name comes up?
;)

To paraphrase an expert in the field: There are the "dreamers" who believe in abstinence, and then there are those of us "realists" who believe that people like to fuck.

I am embarassed by my country's arrogant, Christian, foray into the scientific realm.

I only told you to blow the bloody doors off! says:

"Oh and there's also the Zulu war"

Er.......despite the crushing defeat at Isandlwana, we won that one, sort of.

mr peter says:

That yank must have been taking the piss, didn't we get whupped at yorktown leading to the giving up of OUR 13 colonies. Of course it would never have happened without the frogs causing trouble as usual. Afghanistan did not count as they kept cheating.-peter

Gimpy1 says:

Please don't forget about the original British ass spanking, the American Revolution!

Meister says:

Yeah sure but it was still a 'whupping', but considering we were then the most powerful nation and earth, and they where a bunch of tribes men with spears you'd expect us to really. Still not as bad as the 'whupping' the Viet Cong gave the Yanks (can't wait for the rise on that one!)

Meister says:

Nah, think of 1066, or maybe the Roman invasion, or perhaps the Saxons.... Mmmmmm the list could go on!

Ronin says:

Meister:

Thanks for the Bush link. Here's an even funnier one I got there. I did feel a bit sorry for the chimps though...

http://www.bushorchimp.com/pics.html

Meister says:

Crickey! He'd be right at home in a PG Tips Advert! (For non-English readers this was an advert for teabags featuring a family of chimps, sadly gone because of the liberal, PC, sandal wearing lesbian collective)

John says:

hmmm

Thai Bar girls, Aids and condoms and..George Bush!

WTF! You guys are a bunch of wankers.

Frisco Dude says:

That was a great summary of western media attitudes about paid sex in Thailand. I am so sick and tired of foreign observers talking, talking up the sex scene in Thailand. Leave the girls alone. They do what they do, for whatever reason.

Also, can we now limit our messages to a paragraph or two? I don't have the time or patience to wade through long philosophical discussions about your favorite current pet peve.

Peve doesn't seem right. What's the proper spelling?

KDub says:

I saw a poll today that showed that 95%(or so) Europeans think that Americans don't understand the world around them. All that told me was 95% of Europeans don't understand Americans. I have had many a conversation at Thai beer bars with Europeans and am amazed at some of the things they say about America. Where does this stuff come from? It backs up my figures above. I once got a tongue lashing from an Irish guy about evil America, to which I replied, "It's quite fashionable these days, isn't it?". That's all I can figure. Don't get me wrong...one of the things I enjoy about going to Thailand is meeting people from all over the world.

Back to condoms. I'm really amazed how political sex is these days. Condoms...gay marriage...The religious right will always preach abstinence because promoting condoms goes against their principles. Just let them go. Bush just needs their votes and money. Condoms are the answer. We have a far better chance at getting everyone to wear a condom than to abstane from sex. It's a natural human desire.

mr peter says:

True John I am a wanker, but at least it's sex with someone I love-peter

Frisko Dude says:

Never mind:

Peave

Chopper Harris says:

No fucker turned up for my free for all fist fight in Lumpini park on Wed. Pussies - the fucking lot of you. Some of you cunts complained that you couldn't make it because you were working. Take the fucking afternoon off gobshites. Anyway - it's back on: next Wed at 5.30 pm, by the lake, Dusit Thani side. No shooters or blades. Bring it on.

Kind regards,

Chopper

Anonymous says:

Bush could wake up tomorrow buy all the condom factories on the planet, hand out free condoms for the rest of his life and I guess the question still remains:

What does this have to do with Thai bar girls and AIDS?

Oh, I forgot; America Bad.

Have A Look says:

Here is Bush's life summed up in one easy to understand site (even for americans)

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com

Mr White says:

"Good source. A wild-eyed liberal commentator in an Australian Newspaper......"
It doesn't matter if YOU don't like the source, clear facts were stated and unless you can produce evidence to the contrary, you are just blowing hot air.

I do, however stand corrected regarding the Japanese invasion of Thailand in 1941.

Airey Neave says:

ìI saw a poll today that showed that 95%(or so) Europeans think that Americans don't understand the world around them. All that told me was 95% of Europeans don't understand Americans. I have had many a conversation at Thai beer bars with Europeans and am amazed at some of the things they say about America. Where does this stuff come from?î - KDUB

ìI suspect your tune will change just a tad when that first jetliner smashes into the Tower of London, and be in full retreat when the second one hits your House of Commons.

Nobody knows better than us that freedom is priceless;î - UBANGI

Thank you Ubangi for providing the answer to Kdub.

I once watched US domestic TV programming in Cuba and it was striking that it concerned the US almost entirely. The US is a vast country of 260m immigrants or descendants thereof and there is so much news internally that it is understandable.

Average Americans do not hear much about the outside world unless it is a hot domestic issue.

Take for instance when the House of Commons was attacked by terrorists. Oh sorry Ubangi did you not see that on TV?

Apart from having a huge bomb planted under it by Guy Fakes the House was also bombed by PIRA in the early 1980s and a few years ago PIRA attacked Downing Street using mortars. And perhaps you remember the 1984 bombing of the government leadership whilst at a party conference which nearly killed Margaret Thatcher?

The money for PIRA has come predominantly from the USA. When the British Government requested US help in the 1980s in closing down funding of terrorists they were told to fuck off. Apparently this would have alienated the Irish vote. So much for being tough on terrorists.

I am sorry Ubangi but a few attacks, albeit spectacular, do not give you a monopoly on freedom and the right to impose your view of freedom on other countries.

Condoms and safe sex are another area where the US government believes it has a moral perogative to tell the rest of the world what to do. This gets up the nose of everyone else.

JohnUK says:

Everyone seems to credit the USA with the fact that we here in Britain are not now speaking German. True, I guess, after Japan had bombed them and Hitler had declared war on them, but no one ever seems to recognise the true debt that we owe to Russia.
Without their magnificent efforts in battling the Germans on the Eastern front we would have lost before the USA got off their arses and remembered our so-called special relationship.
JohnUK

Shitman McMuntworth says:

I am a Seppo.

The USSR saved you all, indeed. They died in industrial numbers, and to this day they glorify the man who sent them to their deaths in those numbers. When a self-identified liberal democrat a-hole like Martin Amis starts droning on about Stalin, let him know that Unkie Joe is still well fucking regarded over there.

We just sat on the sidelines and got rich while simultaneously ruining your chances of ever reconsolidating your empire via the lend lease program. We'd have done better overall siding w/ the Germans in WWI, saving the world a truculent, self-righteous France. But that is neither here nor there.

But you're right: Bush ubu is a dangerous, semi-literate fundamentalist a-hole.

But of course Blair followed him w/ glee (and likely a hard-on).

The Alter Ego of George Kennan says:

Thats right johnuk....it is the Russians who did it, who lost 20 million people in the process.... ok some of those were cooked by Uncle Joseph.

The biggest whupping the ENGlish got was from the Romans, but you cant blame a bunch of maruading bandits for getting a spanking. But what the Normans did. harharhar. About 200 families show up and they say "listen you peasant bastards, you're working for us now and and thats that". So the clever Normans built all the preety castles and the Anglos shovelled the shit for them.

How about William of Orange and his entourage of 18,000 which virtually took over England. They say "please please come and give us a good seeing to, we cant rule ourselves."

Or How about King Cnut being a viking rent boy. The point is, there are so many times in history where England got shagged till it dropped. Actually the place should have been called Normanland or something. And they teach us in the history books about 1066 and all that. sigh.

About recent history you have mentioned your Afghanistan etc. How about Iraq old boy? What kind of treatment did the English get in Iraq between 1917 and 1920?

Speaking of the Yanks, well they are a bunch of pussies, desperately want an empire, but dont have the guts to make one, just hide behind barbed wire fences and walls in Baghdad or poop from the skies.....how rediculous is it that the US military is hiring thousands of private security guards to protect the military......they say they have 1 Yank/Euro mercinary for every 5 Iraqi thug they are hiring..... pure commedy.... Richard Perle eat your heart out...

Jules says:

No doubt about it, the Russians won WW2 against the Germans. Of all the nations who fought in Europe the Russians gave more and sufferred more and overcame.

And what is all this about Yanks having won the war and saved everyone?

If the Brits had not stood firm and endured hardship Germany would have been unasailable in Western Europe and could have beaten Russia.

And what do we have now? A resurgent US striking lashing out around the world and a toady Prime Minister following.

Give it up Tony, the special relationship is not there, that was yeterday's world. Move on and embrace the idea of a common European foreign policy to take on US hegemony.

Mind you what this has to do with Room 606 of the Bua Laung Hotel is beyond me.

Jules says:

No doubt about it, the Russians won WW2 against the Germans. Of all the nations who fought in Europe the Russians gave more and sufferred more and overcame.

And what is all this about Yanks having won the war and saved everyone?

If the Brits had not stood firm and endured hardship Germany would have been unasailable in Western Europe and could have beaten Russia.

And what do we have now? A resurgent US striking lashing out around the world and a toady Prime Minister following.

Give it up Tony, the special relationship is not there, that was yeterday's world. Move on and embrace the idea of a common European foreign policy to take on US hegemony.

Mind you what this has to do with Room 606 of the Bua Laung Hotel is beyond me.

peeve says:

peeve

mr yai says:

hey you losers, george bush and his group of religious fanatics is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. for a while i appreciated the entertainment value of having the dumbest most self-satisfied "god told me im right" people in the world, in charge. but it has just gotten ridiculous. cant wait for the elections, if they dont postpone them that is. oh yeah finally FUCK YOUR RELIGION whatever it is.

Miss Noi says:

Mr Yai, if you are dark and have a huge tool please come and give some of it...I like the sound of you.

Jules says:

Noi,

Were you also at Room 606?

Wish i was Greg says:

I don't like sandal wearing lesbians but even worse than that I don't like rejection.

Lately I have been getting rejected by chicks I don't even like. Like last night at the coliseum. Ok so i spewed on myself but does that make me less of a person?

All the girls like me until I start talking to them and then its over.

Miss Noi says:

Jules Dakling,

noo they turned me away at the door, so I'm trying to make up for lost time....do you have the goods? and no condoms, no pills, I like it dirty and dangerous.....

Jules says:

Well it would be dirty and dangerous, no doubt about that.

So does that mean you are in favour or not in favour of abstinence as a solution to AIDS?

OXO says:

Meister
"1842 British army is badly defeated. Out of 16,500 British troops, only one made it out of Afghanistan alive. "....Jing Jing..???....he must have rushed out & brought a lottery Ticket

Miss Noi says:

"So does that mean you are in favour or not in favour of abstinence as a solution to AIDS?"

Jules, it means I say fck you to baby Bush and all the bush heads around here. The solution to Aids is to use everything under your disposal. And I say well done to countries like India which are producing those anti retrarara or whatever-you-call-them drugs cheap. Mind you, Bish is bad, but when you read what Thabo Mbeki thinks of AIDS it makes Bush look bright.

I say make laws that will force companies like Durex to sell condoms cheaper, right now they're raking it in, and its too expensive for poor people.

For foreign-lecherers-in-residence in bkk, If you are get a BBBJ from a BG or do skinny dippy all the time or even like eating-out the BG then get checked at the hospital at least once a quarter. But this is not safe sex, its merely a way of finding out if you're truly fucked.

The 100% safe way of not getting aids or any venereal disease is to keep your gonads tucked in or do the chuk wow. Remember you'll be richer as well. A wank is more money in the bank.

Nicko says:

The Russians didn't 'save' us you plonkers!

No Russian ever said, "we must help the brave Tommies". Bollocks.

It's not like they had much choice in the matter - Hitler invaded them - they were just trying to survive. The fact that they lost 20 million is a great shame but any old twat can send wave upon wave of cannon fodder in front of tanks and ranks of machine guns - it's not bravery, but stupidity. Look at the Brits and French in WWI.

You could argue it was the RUSSIANS fault WWII started in the first place. If they hadn't come to a secret pact with the Krauts Hitler would NEVER have invaded Poland.

Another argument, which I agree with, is Britain saved Russia. If Adolf hadn't been forced to fight a war on two fronts (which he said in Mein Kampf he would never do) the whole force of the Germans would have gone East and we really would all be speaking Kraut now.

We owe the Russians nothing apart from living in, constant underpants staining, fear for the last half of the 1900's. Fuck 'em.

Nicko says:

... and I hate wearing condoms I'm sad to say.

It's like fucking a crisp packet.

I blame the Russians.

Cog says:

"one thing about the Brits, they've never been whupped"

We're talkin' about "Brits" right? Not just strictly the English or Anglo-saxons.

If one defines "ass-whoopin'" to mean a complete strategic and tactical failure on a CAMPAIGN level (i.e. operational scale), then the only example that comes close to a royal-Brit-butt-bruisin' is: the American War of Independence. When it comes to battles and smaller-scaled conflicts, the British had more than their fair share of military defeats - from the Somme to Singapore.

Currently, the British are having a hell-uva time getting the upperhand against the indigenous bargirls of Pattaya known for their stealth and guile.

Cog says:

"Still not as bad as the 'whupping' the Viet Cong gave the Yanks (can't wait for the rise on that one!)"

Without the military support of the NVA, the Vietcong weren't a force to contend with...

For the U.S., the Vietnam War was a debacle and a "political" defeat, not a military one. The only ass-whoopin' should've been McNamara's (i.e. Sec. of Def. under LBJ) limp dick. I say, if you're gonna go through the trouble of takin' it out...make sure you fuckin' use it!

DICK HEADLEY says:

Did somebody say limp dick? COG writes...

"Currently, the British are having a hell-uva time getting the upperhand against the indigenous bargirls of Pattaya known for their stealth and guile."

This is true. Beach Road is littered with wounded and latest dispatches speak of a more or less total surrender. There are still a few hold outs in remote corners of Walking Street but the front lines troops have been overrun. Teams of concerned British feminists are being sent to Thailand as we speak in a last ditch attempt to negotiate a cease fire.

mr yai says:

thanks miss noi, does heavy tattooing count as "dark" ? , tool is good ,likes a workout.

Nicko says:

"Without the military support of the NVA, the Vietcong weren't a force to contend with..."

No one disputes that but they were there - deal with it. Without the French 1776 would have ended in a different result. So what? Realities are what matters not "what if's?".

"For the U.S., the Vietnam War was a debacle and a "political" defeat, not a military one."

Come on. Every war has a political side - they go hand in hand. The US lost the war as they didn't achieve the military or political objectives and had to withdraw - that's a defeat - not even a 'draw' as Kevin Klein claimed. The blind refusal to face facts is why the US is in deep shit in Iraq right now. They learned zero from Somalia - or was that a glorious victory?

Dont get me wrong - the Brits are not perfect either but to claim the US didn't lose in Vietnam is just total wank.

By your logic of using everything in your arsenal to win militarly the UK should have nuked the shit out of Argentina in 1982 before sending the troops in - hang on - not a bad idea.

Cog says:

You've changed the definition of "ass-whoopin'". If one considers ass-whoopin' to incorporate all the aspects of warfare (i.e. military, political, psychological, etc.), then I agree, America's withdrawal from S.Vietnam symbolized some sort of tacit acknowledgment of defeat. At least it was no Dien Bien Phu!

However, you wrote...
"Still not as bad as the 'whupping' the Viet Cong gave the Yanks"

In this case, I inferred "whupping" to strictly mean military combat -- battle between two armed forces.

Perhaps you can enlighten me by naming one pitched encounter where the American military received a "whupping" from the Vietcong (subversions by Jane Fonda doesn't count either). Side note: despite the Tet Offensive being a psychological victory for the guerillas, it was in all actuality, a military failure.

"By your logic of using everything in your arsenal to win militarly the UK should have nuked the shit out of Argentina in 1982 before sending the troops in - hang on - not a bad idea."

Overkill...Argentines are like the French - good lovers, poor fighters. The Gurkhas wielding their kukris already had them pissin' in their pants.

BTW, war is never glorious.

Miss Noi says:

Mr Yai, if you are one of those pale limp dicks then you're not the one.

As a Thai women I'll tell you something. You may think that all those puny girls you go for would either run in horror at the sight of a massive cock (I'm not talking about length but width) or become shakingly submissive.

But girls like me jump at the chance to have a big cock all over me with a bravado that would make your SAS look like a bunch of pink blouses.

Now I say fuck your tatoo, and if there is anyone here with a huge black cock, speak up.

Itching her.

I'll tell you one secret. The black geezers from Africa who live in the same condos in bkk as the bar girls you pay 1500 or more for get the same bitches FREE, I mean FREE whenever they want it, Why, because they have huge cocks and they fuck wonderfully and the girls love them for it.

harharhar

Nicko says:

"As a Thai women..." my arse.

Ronin says:

Miss Noi:

You're right! Long ago, one of my first GF's in BKK spent many sleepless nights schooling me on how to do her like her big black stud boyfriend in Florida had during her grad school days there. I was only 21 at the time and could barely keep up with her. She was insatiable, to say the least. Her name , "Nu", was fitting, as she was tiny... Still get a rise outta remembering all that 17 years later!

David says:

This year, Congress allocated $2.4 billion for global HIV/AIDS prevention and treatment, with the caveat that one-third of prevention funds go to abstinence-only education programs. Most abstinence-only programs don't include information about condoms.

If I were an American tax payer, I'd be a bit cheesed-off to see $800 million of my hard earned pissed up against the wall to appease the Christian fundamentalists.

Meister says:

I hope the Christian Fundamentalists will follow there own philosopy to the tee. Then the idiotic wankers will be gone within a couple of generations.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

In American politics, as well as politics everywhere else, the party in power uses the public purse to appease and cultivate its power base. Bush did not invent this. Many people would rather see abstinence programs touted by the Republicans, that at least have the CHANCE of doing SOMEBODY some good, than things like the massive public works programs used as labor union welfare, and huge dollops of money ladled out to trial lawyers in the form of thwarted tort reform laws, that the Dems are so proud of.

To an American taxpayer, $800 million is not that much money. We are committing a total of $15 BILLION (i.e. 20x that number) to the global HIV/AIDS problem, and most people here think that amount is woefully inadequate.

Richard says:

If I were an American Taxpayer I would be pretty cheesed of at the abuse America gets being the only country to put its hand in its pocket.

David says:

Don't worry, Richard, I'm not abusing America. It's just that I'd rather see their money put to good use.

sofyap says:

Agree about patronising coverage of bar girls, but it's not just the foriegn media. Empower (patpong based organisation that provides free english classes to bar girls and is trying to get them recognised under Thai labour laws) built a mini gogo bar at the conference centre and had bar girls simulating sex shows three times a day under the banner "sex work is just work". Good for them. The Thai press went mad, saying it was promoting a negative image of Thailand and encouraging prostitution etc and tried (unsuccessfully) to get the show banned. Can almost forgive silly, overxcited foreign correspondents trying to write heartbreaking "exposes" but am sick of the double standards one so frequently sees in the THai press.

p.s. have to admit to asking bar girls if they were taking fewer customers during AIDS conf for fear of them being HIV pos (for a piece on stigma). They laughed at me and said they were busier than ever. serves me right.