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March 7 2007

Keith Summers gives us Stickman porn

yuck

Stickman's head on a naked woman's body does nothing for me but his stalker, Keith Summers, feels differently and has posted his photoshopped fantasy girl onto the web. When it comes to choosing wank-fodder, I guess it's each to his own.

Stickporn junkies can get their fix here but the image isn't worksafe and Summers - who purports to be a campaigner for online standards - has yet to post a section 2257 compliance notice assuring us that Stickman was at least 18 years of age when the said visual depiction was created.

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Keith's remote Nakorn Phanom cabin may or may not be decorated with razor-slashed photos, returned letters and mummified body parts but his high-tech cyber-shrine to the hapless Mr Stick is up on the web for all to see at NotStickmanBangkok.com

His increasingly disturbed state of mind is revealed in a creepy email that he claims to have sent Stickman following a recent interview.

You had a chance to reduce the friction between us by saying - no Keith is not a stalker, but you didn't take that opportunity ... So, you gave me opportunity to hammer on you again. And I'm basically obligated to do so until the myths surrounding me are dispelled and the truth about you comes revealed.

There's an obvious flaw in his "tell them I'm not a stalker or I'll carry on stalking you" argument but Keith's unnatural obsession with the mild-mannered Kiwi commentator appears to have pushed him over the edge.

When you called upon David to unleash against me at MangoSauce you cast a die that has now set into motion my efforts to dog you.

Summers mistakenly believes that I'm the Gimp boxed up in Stickman's basement so, to set him straight, I'll have to expand the Pulp Fiction analogy a little further.

This is the situation, Keith.

Bruce Willis (that's me, obviously) owes no one any favours and could easily walk away but, instead, he decides to lay into the sadistic gay cop (that's you, Keith) who is bumming the ball-gagged mob boss (Stickman) up the arse.

In real life, the story is still playing out but, in Tarantino's seminal movie, I roar off on your powerful Kawasaki motorcycle with a beautiful girl while Stickman's goons are busy blowtorching your scrotum.

If you have any questions, Stickman will gladly answer them in one of his secret messages delivered through your TV set.

[Posted to Internet by David]

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Readers' comments

tingtawng says:

Aaarrrgh....please - no more about Keith Summers. His public psychosis has gone from fascinating to morbid to turgid. He's just so.....2006. Can we move on please?

Telemachus says:

Well, had a read of "Galt's" site. My particular favourite was the article "Virgins - The Holy Grail?". One could be forgiven for instantly disliking the man from this article alone. I felt dirty even after reading it. It seems he enjoys reducing people to objects to serve his own desires. He also seems to have a very infantile mentality towards women, bereft of any true empathy. A fairly disturbing individual.

Rob C says:

"Whose motorcycle is this?"

"It's not a motorcycle honey, it's a chopper."

"Whose chopper is this?"

"It's Keith's."

"Whose Keith?"

"Keith's brain-dead baby, Keith's brain-dead."

SPQR_US says:

David,

You're not the Gimp...?

Dana says:

I agree with Mr. Tingtawng--

No more NotStickman material please.

Matt says:

Who's that bloke at the top?

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Hi Matt

I don't know his name but his face appears on a set of flashcards used by academics to test a subject's reaction to other people's expressions - in this case, disgust.

Regards
David

moss says:

I went to Keith Summer's site twice...and felt like a sophomore in high school, once again. What a COMPLETE psycho! Worse still, the guy can't spell, or elicit any logic...even when he has his own site and all the time in the world to do so. And worst of all...in a kind of confessional to us all, he talks about convincing a SEVEN YEAR OLD THAI GIRL that he's really okay, that he really likes her, and that someday she'll come round and see that he's "okay", and she'll want to become a friend of his, that he's going to "win her over."
Scaaaary! Can you say the word "child rapist"?
Bare minimum, Keith Summers...you should check into some professional help. Do the right thing. (Truly!)

And now...back to Dicer, TK, Prufrock, Dana, Common Sense, Ting-Dawng, Ernesto, etc, etc, and all the rest of us(relatively)normal folks sitting here on the porch at Mango Sauce.

TANAI KWAI says:

Summers is actually presenting a crude homage to Larry Flynt, publisher of Hustler Magazine.

As Wikipedia notes:

"Another feature of Hustler is a column called 'Asshole of the Month.' In every monthly issue of the magazine, some public figure is selected for severe criticism as that month's asshole. An illustration showing a photograph of the criticized person's head emerging from the anus of a cartoon donkey is shown alongside the article."

When Jerry Falwell was so featured, Flynt was the victim of a lawsuit. Fortunately for the cagey pornographer, truth is a defense to libel.

Oh yeah, Keith Summers and Thaksin presently share the title of "Asshole of the Year." We've never had a consecutive champion but my money's on Summers to repeat in '07. I predict he will do something spectacularly moronic and self-destructive as his notoriety drains away.

Ban Phe Bangers says:

Hmm..dunno. I wouldn't say that I'm 'fascinated' by Summers rants against Stickman but then...I am dammit.

Summers/Galt is so really and obviously a mentalist, what with his obsessive fixation(s) and his half-arsed Thai cultural info as well as that awful website of his (that Vasco da Gama couldn't navigate). It's really fun watching him go crazier and crazier and crazier.

Stickman ignoring him is driving Summers nuts.

Lots of clues to his personality are leaking onto his website; his hero worship of a man that married his mother, a man one presumes that he could never emulate and who no doubt replaced him in his mother's affections.

He believes that his confrontational, shouty, 'Can-do' methods will change Thailand and he exhorts all his readers (me and the dog) to be more like him.

The bloke is so fucked up it's untrue.

I hope he keeps going until the point where he arranges to have his own suicide published on his site.

(In Victorian times I would have taken a walking tour of Bedlam to look at the nutters. I know it.)

Wombat says:

Hilarious. I take it that open season on our favourite internet stalker shows no sign of ending? Look forward to his whine tonight.

Andy says:

Just keeps getting weirder. Seldom has a combination of expat blogging; stalking; and mental illness been so..... turgid, actually.

Kasman says:

Dave, you are doing nothing but pouring gas on an already burning fire to hype your own web ratings for personal benefit.

Google income down a little this month? Pour on some more Stickman versus Summers to see if you can make a few bucks extra this month.

Bruce Willis is you? I think you got the story backwards. You appear to always be the guy trying bend everyone over to stick something in their ass, a place you definitely don't belong.

If I was Stickman, I would be pissed at MangoPud for being the instigator in this whole thing.

I am wondering when Stick and Summers are going to wake up to the fact that you are exploited them both for your own personal gain.

Your site and stories have gone way down hill since your recent hiatus. Do us all a favor and take another hiatus, this one permanently, if you cannot find something better to write about.

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Hi Kasman

You can spell but, in all other respects, you appear to be Keith Summers' Mango Sauce alias.

Who are you and what's your story?

Regards
David

Faber & Faber says:

If Keith Summers had any wit he would have done a much better job with his 'stick-porn' photoshoot. His crude cut and paste hatchet job, placing Stick's mug on some tart's arse, would make paint shop pro weeps buckets. An open leg shot with Stickman's mouth replaced by outstretched labia, cum a dibblin' therein, would have been more entertaining but, alas, keith lacks the skills to do perform such a task.

To extend the pulp fiction metaphor David puts forth, I tend to see Keith Summers as the gold watch (gold plated in Summer's case) stuck up Christopher Walken's ass for many months. Keith could pull stickman out of his butt whenever he decides to, but he is now so accustomed to having the Kiwi commentator in his anus that a TEFL supppository doesn't cut the mustard.

I still believe that Keith's scorn for stickman stems from a rejected offer of a homosexual trist up in Isaan.

Rather than read Summers' shite website, I suppose i will have to resort to what Road Natzi suggested and 'slide my cock in and out of a jam jar full of pig's liver' (quote)

Ahhh, how soothing....

The Avenger says:

Hahaha, fucking priceless. Hey tingtwang you are going to be hearing a lot more about Summers. A website is shortly to be launched. It is all about Keithy boy. There will be: compromising photos taken in both the States and Thailand, financial documents, interesting paperwork relating to his 'turn signal' business, details of his dodgy dealings and criminal activity, interviews with former friends and acquaintances with some VERY INTERESTING stories to tell. In short the full Keith Summers expose from birth to the present day.....start quaking in your boots Keith, this is where it starts to get interesting

John says:

This guy is a loony. Stickman never harmed anyone.

Concerned for all.. says:

Its a Honda, tag number 969. Would you like a picture? A picture of the building its parked in? Inside the building? Nice corner lot/building.. river view.

Tick tock..

Pants Elk says:

Reading this piece is just like seeing something happen again exactly the same but just very slightly different so you don't think you are actually seeing the same thing happen again exactly the same but only very slightly different so you don't think you're really seeing the same thing happen again almost the same but very slightly different so you don't realise you're seeing the exact same thing happen again.

I just wanna play guitar says:

Well, when is all of this ominous stuff gonna happen to Keith, Mr. Tick Tock and Mr. Avenger? The spooky threats are getting really old and boring. I've been reading them for months with no results. I wanna see blood. Pattaya gangland style. Put up or shut up.

Matt says:

So we have NotNotStickmanBangkok to look forward to now? Oh boy.

Dr(not) J A Earnshawe BSc(not) PhD(not) says:

Dear David and my readers,

It is with profound regret and in the sincerest expresion of pentinence to my readers, that I am left with no alternative but to suspend the publication of my diary extracts from on the stickmanbangkok website.

As you can imagine, I am under rather a lot of stress since I was exposed as a charlatan masquerading as a doctor by the brilliant undercover research of Mr Galt on his insightful and outstanding notstickmanbangkok site (8/3/07).

Not only was I exposed in my quackery, but it has been shown beyond any doubt that I do not have even the most elementary grounding in basic scientific theory. For example, as Mr Galt so helpfully pointed out, I cannot even distinguish a great website from a parasite. Indeed, if I hadn't already not been on the medical register I would have almost certainly been struck off.

I am indeed a ruined man, and nothing is now left for my pathetic existence but to hide behind a pseudonym (if only I had thought of this before!) and somehow try and rebuild my life on a new website. If I have one friend left in the world I can be found in my wretched new home, a mere disgraced pretender, at notdoctorearnshawe.com.

Dr(not) J A Earnshawe BSc(not) PhD(not)

bob says:

please someone arrange for the Galtman to have his traffic accident when he is run down by a 10wheeler .
Thanks in anticipation .
BTW stickman could restart his website using an alias >galtmanbangkok, then Galt will have to disappear up his own orifice .

Telemachus says:

David
You feature in an article by the "Great Galt"

http://www.notstickmanbangkok.com/Weekly2007/
StickmanSpeakAndTheCryBaby.htm

Ok you have probably seen this but thought I would mention it as he seems upset...

This article also mentions a "plot" by an ex-girlfriend to dump him. Hmmm "plot" or "prudent move to protect ones self". Just semantics I suppose.

Oh and Earnshaw, you quack, you promised me the rash would clear up by this week!!! You may consider yourself unwelcome on the Links this week, Sir!

Scrambled eggs says:

Kasman, some of us are enjoying this pouring of gasoline onto the fire. More of this please David. This Summmers thing is fucking great entertainment. It is such great fun watching the child rapist, psycho serial stalker Keith Summers, of Asiansignals.com, completely loosing it and falling apart in such a public way. Each of his weekly columns further underlines his mental decline. He must be shrieking in impotent rage reading this column and all the comments about him. Does anyone have email addresses for his family in the States so we can send them links?

Pants Elk says:

I dunno. It's like Groundhog Day, except that instead of waking up with Andie McDowell, you're waking up with Keith Summers.

notkeithsummers says:

Keithy Summers discovered Thailand on a sex tour package, chasing virgins and underage girls.
Gives all foreigners a bad name.

Kenn says:

I never really been a fan or a reader of Keith Summers, so I started reading his page, at first it didn't seem too bad , but as you start reading more of his rants , it comes quite clear this guy just does not seem to be all there; his obsession is a bit strange ,
I always say every one needs a hobby; but I think he needs a new one.
Five years in Thailand made this guy loose his frikken mind and the women on Asiansingles are not anything remotely special; but he did seem to have a good thing going for him with his Business selling electronic goodies; it gave me some idea how I could go broke next LOL

keywords says:

The guy is obviously the type of visitor that Thailand wants banned.

Keith Summers sex tourist , Bangkok sex tour , John Galt , Porn , virgin stalker , NotStickman , Thailand ,asiansignals.com , asiancycle.com ebay asiancycle , Arrow Turn Signals , Ninja 250 Tail Pod Rear Turn Signals

Keith Summers Asian Cycle
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Nakhon Phanom, 48000 Thailand
(66) 042 511340

Ban Phe Banger says:

Oh, nearly forgot. Summers/Galt and his friendship with the child rapist who, apparently, made a really good hamburger.

Fucking priceless.

stickittohim says:

I'm quite pleased that Keith Summers, sex tourist, has his name plasterd all over the web.
Any of his ol pals or relatives do a google search and they end up seeing how much respect he has garnered from the fellow xpats, here in Thailand.
What goes around, comes around, eh Keith?
Good!

Anonymous says:

KEITH SUMMERS ASIANCYCLE ASIANSIGNALS

Thailands most famous sex tourist.

Picture here:
http://whatismatt.com/john-galt-brings-down-stickman/

doingtherightthing says:

Keith Summers

I understand that his VISA will not be renewed.

Great, Thailand needs less people like him hanging out. Agreed?

anonamoose says:

You can tell by his writing style that, Keith Summers - Bangkok Sex Tourist, has not matured past the age of 14.

local yokel says:

Keith Summers is friends with John Mark Karr ?
Bangkok child porn fame?

Porn says:

So, let me get this straight. Keith Summers the notorious child rapist, child molester, virgin hunter, sex tourist, serial stalker, owner of AsianSignals in Nakhon Phanom, is actually none other than the great John Galt the homosexual stalker of that great Bangkok icon Stickman? Interesting.

mrxcoffee says:

Wait let me sure I got that right; Are you claiming that Keith Summers is some kind of Thailand sex tourist who owns a company in Thailand called "Asian Signals" who in his free time stalks virgins? Am I understanding this correctly?

Nobby says:

I have contacts right now in the States tracking down addresses for friends and family of Keith so we can show them how famous their Keithy has become. They will be soooooooo proud that they are friends and family of Keith Summers, virgin hunter, sex tourist extraordinaire, gay stalker, best friend to a hamburger making convicted child rapist, and all round demented, psychopathic nutcase with very bad spelling and grammar skills. Though truth be told I think the last one will be a bit of a disappointment to his old mum. Well done Keith. Life in the limelight is grand ain't it?

tingtawng says:

So Keith Summers - the amiable baby disemboweler, mass murderer, cannibal, sex tourist - he's a turn signals engineer?

He resides in Nakhon Phanom, you say?

Telemachus says:

There is nothing like a good public lynching!

Lanky Streak says:

David, I have been reading your blog for a few months now...very entertaining, and I'm very glad that you have been able to return to a normal level of service. This is, however my first entry to your esteemed publication.

I had read nor Summer's site before I read this item. However, having read, learnt from and concurred with much of Stickman's comments and compared them to the slightly worrisome rants of Monsieur Summers, I am somewhat disappointed that you have allowed your site to become part of a needless slagging match.

Clearly, publication and public interest is all that Summers craves, so allowing him this is surely giving him a victory of sorts (and a lot more web-hits!). If I want to spend my time watching mindless, self-deprivating arguments i can simply turn on the television and indulged in any Thai Soap Opera.

Please continue to maintain your site well...and stop drawing attention to those that don't

SeatSniffer says:

If you look real close, you can see some indentations on Summers chin.

Possibly from balancing a set of balls there...

Bye bye Summers says:

Yo Lanky streak, this is street justice not a slagging match. Keith Summers, the serial stalker, started it all off. He pissed in another man's rice bowl. He stalked him, contacted his employers and started an online stalking hate campaign. He is now discovering the flip side to the coin. Actions have consequences. The consequences are going to get Summers kicked out of the Magic Kingdom. He will forever live with the realization he was the author of his own misfortune. Karma.

jonesy says:

Hi Kieth you pathetic reject. if
hit any kids on your motorcai , and flee the scene do the right thing and and pay a decent amount .
You Pyscho Loser

William na Ranong says:

Keith Summers is clearly suffering from Syphillitic insanity. His attacks on Stickman are palsied attempts to divert his attention from the venereal disease that is wracking his brain. I'm willing to wager that if you submit his writings to the New England Journal of Medecine, or to any number of internatinal gatherings in Vienna on the workings of the mind, I am sure they will come to the same diagnosis. Oh, by the way, Summers may be want to click on this link for his tax purposes for 2006
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f2555.pdf
in order to properly report foreign income to the US authorities and comply with all provisions of the United States tax code. Tax time is right around the corner...but I'm sure you are paying quarterly payments for Asian Signals already. I just wanted to give you a heads up. Audits are particularly nasty at the Embassy in Bangkok.

Andy says:

Well, if there is one thing that nutters are good at; its generally attracting other nutters like moths to a flame...

And despite all the vitriol and threats, Galt-non-stick-Summers is still blogging merrily away on the Interweb. He kinda restores my faith in humanity. ;-)

Carruthers says:

I say Summers old chap there are some jolly scurrilous accusations being made about you here. Are you not intending to come here and refute them? I am sure you must be reading this column so don't be shy. Jump right in, we are a friendly bunch at heart.

Sean says:

Hmmm, I have told Keith that his earlier diatribes against Stickman went too far but if you put that aside you will find Summers writings somewhat close to genius. It's an unique style and the grammer might not be perfect but he is bordering on legendaery status (even better he doesn't even realise it in my opinion). No specific links (other than http://www.notstickmanbangkok.com/Weekly2006/
TomCruiseEffect.htm), just vsiit his site.

Kasman says:

The words Keith Summers mean big traffic for Mango and this post proves it.

The bad news is as long as you all drag it through the mud, Stickman is the one getting screwed.

Instead of forgetting about the whole issue, the rants and rave make Mango happy with the traffic and that is why Mango keeps running these stories.

Do some research, everytime Mango complained about Google and low traffic, here comes another Summers/Stickman story.

I am sure at some point Stickman would like to get on with his life.

The Summers haters are really doing an injustice to Stickman more than anyone else.

Summers should die on the vine by simply becoming a nobody, and Stickman should be allowed to continue putting this behind him.

The rest of you beating the drum, put some positive effort into helping the guy wronged by all this.

Mango, I have to say this sucks capitalizing on this, this many months after the fact, but somehow I think you would sell your soul for a few baht.

Summers, I am sure he would go away with no attention paid to him.

Stickman, the readers stories benefit everyone that reads them, however, Stickman needs to put all this in the rearview mirror more than anyone else.

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Hi Kasman

I asked you a straight question and I expect a straight answer.

Who are you and what's your story?

Regards
David

kwai mai sabai says:

Good Answer Keith (I mean Sean). Your spelling always gives you away. What a waste of skin you are!

Nobby says:

andy you are either Keith under an alias or his gay bum chum. Which is it?

Nobby says:

Oh for fucks sake Kasman you think psycho Summers is going to stop posting his stalking shite about Stickman just because we stop talking about it here? Get real. He is on a mission. He has declared war not just on Stickman but all farangs in Thailand. He is rocking the boat and threatening us all and his mental state is declining. He is a dangerous nuisance. We need to fight fire with fire. If you cannot see the logic behind that then I suggest that Kasman stands for: Keith's Anal Slut Monkey and Nancyboy.

ozricdan says:

Sean...

I read this article a week ago while I was checking his site with a link from mangosauce. Even he admits that his grammar and writing style are poor but this article does go on to make some very valid points, from reading this article alone it would seem he is not the asshole that he makes himself out to be. I too can agree with what he says about being here in Thailand and have experienced many of the better things that are associated with being a foreigner here. The fact is that some aspects of Thai culture place foreign men on a pedestal where we are viewed and sometimes revered, just because we come from a different country. This should be taken as a complement in its correct context and should treated as an invaluable experience.

He may not be highly articulate in his grammar and his diatribes against Stickman were not fair but he still makes some good points and it is the context rather than the content that counts.

Prufrock says:

Kasman is a "Treblinka guard" farang.

He has boasted on several sites that he is a highly respected Bangkok businessman currently looking for a employees to whom he's willing to pay 80,000 baht per month. He has boasted as well that he's married into a family of policemen, some of whom are golfers.
He did this to separate himself from what he routinely characterizes as a collection of losers and liars.

I'm Kasman, rich and I'm above you all, is his self-image. A sizable number of the "losers and liars" on these sites could buy and sell this prick in a heartbeat.
As well he's a little surprised when he gets soundly fucking clocked by nearly everyone he snipes at.

This guy is just a rat who provided temporary amusement to his cop in-laws as he re-enforced their prejudices regarding "farang".
I suspect they're bored with him now. That's all I'd ever wish to have in common with THESE cop pricks.
Nobody likes a rat.

Observer says:

Chinese proverb:

"The one who pursues revenge should dig two graves."

I do believe that what goes around, comes around. I truly would not want to be Keith Summers now. I just sense some eerie, impending evil that poor Keith will soon be experiencing.

For research purposes says:

Does anyone know Keith Summers middle name or initial? Thanks

nasty nick says:

The English used to send lords to Scotland to deflower all the young vigins before they got married.

Is Keith Summers trapped in some kind of time zone. lord Keith of Pedofile.

But seriously this guy can only bring harm to many a good expat out here.

Where i come from it would only be a matter of time before some big men would sort this one out in the right way.

I would also think that lord keith will be worried about the new buisness ownership rules amongst many things.

Knobber says:

I exchanged a couple of emails with Keith early in the Stickman War, back before it was completely evident that he was off his nut.

Keith gives proof to a piece of advice once given me by a wise expat (perhaps it was even Stick): Despite all the potential hazards faced by a foreigner in LOS, it's other farangs you really have to watch out for.

Keith goes to Thailand, presumably to bed young women. Well, I'm not going to pass judgement on that (though much of the population of the Western World would). Yet once he's there, he appoints himself moral arbitor of business practices in Thailand, and decides it's HIS roll to mete out justice according to his delusional internal moral code.

So it's okay if he's a sex tourist. It's okay if the entire mechanism of Thailand's political and business communities are greased by corruption. But god forbid a white man should try to suppliment his income in a way that all-knowing Bwanna has decided is not appropriate in his adopted part of the world.

I hope this guy gets deported fast.

kwai mai sabai says:

Ozricdan,
...erm, I mean Keith. Your spelling is improving but you still spelled 'compliment' wrong. How many nicknames do you have man? You have more personalities than Sybil. She was one f*cked-up bitch too.
Tom Cruise, you're not!

Sherlock says:

Kasman = Keith A. Summers MAN (Tours) or Keith A. Summers (The) MAN

Mr Blobby says:

Its time this all went away and stick came back, quite simply Summers is now a boring freak

Nobby says:

Hey, it's been fucking ages since anyone insulted the sex stalker Keith Summers. Come on you bunch of lazy layabouts keep the fucking fire stoked and full of fuel. We fucking HATE THAT CUNT SUMMERS. SHOW THE WORLD

ozricdan says:

Kwai mai sabai...

Im not anyone in disguise and Im not Keith either. I have used Daniel, ozricmann and ozricdan as post names but I shall be using ozricdan just to keep things clear in future.

You should however try and read the article with an open mind even thought it was written by a mindless prick.

I also have to say you are quite right about my use of the letter E, if you consider in which way i meant what i was saying you may find that it can work both ways.

Ps. who is Sybil?

Road Natzi says:

David,

Clearly KASMAN is some sort of SUMMERS weirdo, probably his felching partner.

Having said all of that, I'm sick of Keith Fucking (If that helps u 'for research purpose) SUMMERS. Be great if the world could move on without him, he is truely disturbing and makes me want to load and reload my GLOCK (CS, will understand this).

There are some truely sick individuals in this world and he is one of them, PLEASE FORGET ABOUT HIM and talk about something more palatable like 'UCKING THE SHIT OUT OF A DEAD CATS ARSE'.

I would love to see softcock SUMMERS face up to reality and neck himself ! OXYGEN THEIF.

kwai mai sabai says:

Ozricdan,
OK. That makes more sense. It was meant to be irony.
I've seen postings under the pseudonym Ozricmann and I thought John Galt was surreptitiously stealing your identity to "complement" himself.
Sybil (not her real name) is the textbook example of multiple-personality disorder. They made a movie about her based on a book. You can Googen it.

fbuom says:

Ozricdan wrote,

"Who's Sybil?"

Check her out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Ardell_Mason

fbuom

Me says:

Don't u all realize David, Stick, Galt, Dave, Matt and who not are having a party at generating so much traffic? The advertisers love it! (its in marketing books under "free publicity") :-)

Don says:

Stickman was forced to close down his weekly column, why? Evidently because he was doing something wrong and he knew it. He did it to save his own ass. I admire Keith. The threats and name calling here is infantile behavior and smacks of revenge. Probably all written by Paul (stickman) himself under a large number of false names.

Grunt says:

I cant imagine all the infighting among the LOS webpage editors benefits anyone but miss dicer and the other muck rakers that infest webpages like this.

Why even bother getting mixed up in it, David?

On a side note, I never considered you a Gimp David. More a Ting Tong Macadangdang type.

SysRq says:

Keith you already called yourself Ron, why are you now calling yourself Don? We all recognise Keith Summers the homosexual stalker owner of AsianSignals when we see him. Be a 'step up' kind of guy and put your real name to your posts.

John says:

I can’t help but wonder how many psychology and psychiatry university instructors around the world are using Summers as a real time example of the progress of mental illness. It certainly is well documented and very easy for even the untrained observer to see Summers mental state is getting worse by the week. He has gone from having a different opinion to now the world of imagination driven by his mental state of mind.

No doubt that when Stickman returns Summers will have made Stickman even more popular than ever, probably enough that Stickman could actually increase his advertizing fees. I don’t think that will go over well with Summers as it is completely opposite of what he wants. This is turning into a win win situation for Stickman. New people will no doubt read Stickman to see what is driving Summers mental state.

elmo says:

I wonder if it is worth it for Keith? Is a little cyberbulling worth having to watch you back all the time?

Greg Daruda says:

The ironic part about the entire Stick/Summers episode is the fact that dispite how people seem to feel about Summers, he has a better job, is from a better country,is younger, and seemingly lives a more responsible and legal life in Thailand than Stickman and 99 % of the posters on this site ! Summers indeed has that creepy weird 'something' about him, yet oddly he seems more functional in his ability to actually live and work in Thailand than the fans of Stickman...and most importantly, he hasnt had to buy the cow to get it either. Nature has shown that somewhat un-appealing creatures are better able to survive in alien environs that others. As Stickmans job teaching ends, his fan base contiunes to age, both signaling a decline. On the other hand, Summers the parasite seems to actually be thriving, working, enjoying the single mans life etc. The irony ! but then, this IS Thailand !

Don says:

I am not Keith Summers, but I admire his frankness and his dogged determination to get stickman to clean up his act. I repeat: Stick had to be doing something wrong or he wouldn't have removed his weekly lies and hyperbole because of one insignificant motocycle signal seller.

Grunt says:

Nothing to fear Mr. Summers.

The vast majority of the shitslingers infesting this forum portray themselves as "old hand"...but the truth is they have never stepped foot in Thailand. Otherwise wed see alot more picture posting and blogging.

The only peril to "your back" is the ladyboys.

bulb says:

@john

I am sure great moments are ahead of us though it's unclear who the winner will be . though I have an idea .

Asian lights turning backwards probably , hehe .

bulb

wayfarer says:

why is keith beinging attacked so much? stickman is no saint

wayfarer says:

greg i agree with u 100

Anonymous says:

Hi Greg Daruda,

What is your relationship to Keith Summers, the homoexual stalker owner of AsianSignals? A couple of points to correct you on: I believe Stick is from New Zealand which by no stretch of the imagination is a far, far better country than the USA which has metamorphed into a genocidal, war loving, planet hating, joke of a country which has chosen to eschew all decent norms of international protocol and which is now the most hated country on the planet. Secondly, Keith, by his own admission is 44 years old or thereabouts, Stick is mid to late thirties. Now Greg remove your mouth from Keith's member he is about to explode in gratuitous excitement and you might get a deformed, ginger nut baby growing inside you if you are not careful.

Prufrock says:

Re: Anonymous's Post 15, 2007 4:35 AM

Keith Summers is fixated and deranged motherfucker who can't write and should stay away from opportunities to share his sex/social life with us but you, as Sticky's sycophantic drum beater come off little better.
Your unconditional "Yeah, Stickman paean is just fucking stupid. This guy has pulled loads of dodgy shit here. Will do or say anything for a buck.
Lives a lie.
Big time suck-arse on the hunt for that big banner account.

Our Bangkok commentator???
This guy comes from Auckland for chrissakes. A podunk hamlet in NZ, an agricultural backwater of a country.

Stick learned Thai for the same reason a 13 year old boy learns to hack porn sites. The reason we all did: So he could spill his seed. And then he spent the next seven years putting himself above anyone in P4P he could, at EVERY opportunity. Unless they "kicked" to him. Then they were magic. Just look at Dave the Rave, the most boring cunt in Nana Plaza, get followed and promoted by "free-beer Stick" anytime he changed bars.

All that doesn't make Summers ANY better or any worse than Stick anywhere but in your flat, limited two dimensional world.
You'd have to have been following Stick's bi-annual personal re-writes and re-inventions of himself for the last eight years to have any idea of what a wanker this guy is. And what a vile fucking racist as well.
Among my personal faves are Stick's explanation of how he came up with his moniker and the saga of his first trip to Phuket to "sample the waters."
Stick's been sucking for TOT action for about five years.
He ain't gettin' it.
Stick HAPPILY outed Kat and danced on his story because Kat had offered to punch Sticky's lights out in the site's early years. . . . (Ask around)
You've managed to set intelligent critique of US foreign policy back 25 years with one silly frothing name-calling post.

Your age difference comment was idiotic sophomorics. And you've brought new and exciting ignominy to the word anonymous.
What you did was to join a chorus of gainsaying losers who are ceaselessly putting the boots to a certifiably off-balance stalker and you've managed to fuck THAT up.
Whaddya. Woik feh deh Fox News 'r sumpin'?

Dicer says:

"Stick learned Thai for the same reason a 13 year old boy learns to hack porn sites. The reason we all did: So he could spill his seed." - Prufrock


Like the pilots of helicopters hovering around Chiang Mai in the haze trying to seed rainmaking clouds your seeds are better spent if you lack knowledge of THIS country. The Fog Thai culture demands it. In fact the more kii nokish and lingoer you become the less you are interesting to hookers. Thai hookers by definition prefer the hawaiian shirt wearing, Bermuda short donning, camera toting, loud obnoxious ignorant tourist...drives them absolutely wild. If you throw in mental illness on top they'll find you irrisistible. On the other hand step in there with the Rama stories - actually at one time I called the psuedo culture fellows Maha-Nana - and you become a joke.

That said, you are lumping some of us who came here primarily for work and had to learn the language to get on with it, but still had a fleeting interest in the totty army, with the throngs of lumpen. No complaint...simply pointing it out.


Just look at Dave the Rave, the most boring cunt in Nana Plaza, get followed and promoted by "free-beer Stick" anytime he changed bars. - Prufrock

more lumpen.

All that doesn't make Summers ANY better or any worse than Stick anywhere but in your flat, limited two dimensional world. - Prufrock

two dimension almost hovers around your face like a cola seeking hooker. This is one dimension. Wallpaper.... not even a dancing or bulging or a vortex stuck on a wallpapeer.... simply a fading grimy wallpaper is all.

Anonymous says:

Fuck off Prudefuck no-one asked you. Anyone notice Keith Summers the gay stalker has not published his weekly gormless 'column'? I wonder why?

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

You're over-reacting a bit, methinks.

"This guy comes from Auckland for chrissakes. A podunk hamlet in NZ, an agricultural backwater of a country."

You mean like Mark Twain came from Florida, Missouri then Hannibal, Missouri?

Or Will Rogers, Oologah, Oklahoma Indian Territory?

Or Garrison Keillor, Anoka, Minnesota.

Do I need to continue?

I'm not equating stickman to any of those writers, just saying a persons origins don't mean squat when it comes to their life's work. Your comment is specious. Or should I say, "[I]diotic sophomorics"?;-)

"Your age difference comment was idiotic sophomorics."

You must have missed Greg Daruda's comment, "[I]s from a better country,is younger...." Anonymous was simply pointing out an erroneous statement by GD. Summers is _not_ younger than Stickman.

I'm not an ex-pat who's lived in BKK for the past eight years. I've only spent considerable time there - away from the nightlife - in the past ten. As a result, I'll take most of the rest of your comments at face value. (I'm not sure I agree the US is 'better' than NZ.) But you are absolutely wrong on the above two points.

fbuom
Define 'better', 'worse', etc. On what basis?

wayfarer says:

Prufrock you owned anonymous

Prufrock says:

More magic from anonymous.
(With apologies to Stickman for quoting the patronizing pronouncement he'd copy and paste whenever he'd deign to give Cent his little pat on the head for netting him another coupla dollars in "refreshes":-)

You posted what you thought was a no- brainer suck-up to what you perceived as unassailable, received wisdom and the public consensus about these two assholes. But quite clearly here, you know very little, you sycophantic suck-up simpleton.
I just held your "Stickman, Yeah" shit up to the light, up to a little closer scrutiny and added some more relevant information.
You sucked his dick.

Whaddya mean "Who asked you??" moron. You posted on a public forum, stupid. Did ya think that because you had chosen to heap shit onto a miserable fucker like Summers that that'd polish you idol, Stickman's knob?? Sure Sommers is an identity crazed stalker, QED but that doesn't release Sticky from some of the masive shit that he's pulled. Fucking massive.
But since when has Stickman's site been designated such sacred ground?And just who the fuck are you to say that I can't comment on your stupid childish post?? Who the hell are you to say who can and can't post when, by no means solely but by your own admission you're a fucking NOBODY.

Prufrock says:

Re: Stickman: Sacred cows make the best hamburger. --MARK TWAIN
I just make 'em. I don't eat 'em.
Sweeney Todd

fbuom: You're just determined to find a way to demonstrate that EVERYONE self contradicts. That there stupid and that they need you in your wisdom to straighten them out using the shattered remants of their own flawed reasoning.
(except you of course - since you NEVER actually say ANYTHING original)

Well if you, with incredible disregard for the original message and in the most specious traditions of sophistry, edit out the meaning and context and at the same time ignore the purpose of their whole post and then restate some gerrymandered version that you know very well does NOT represent what was said, I suppose that occasionally you may strain an argument for whatever your motive to do this might be.
Who the hell knows, fbuom??.

(That might perhaps be the "tedious argument of insidious intent"??)

But wouldn't it just be more productive and more entertaining (much to say, more honest) if you generated some ideas yourself?
Original ones"
Stuff YOU thought up?
Is that TOO much to ask, there,. fbuom??
Or are we beneath the effort it takes to actually get 'round to doing that.

You spend more time cutting and pasting than I do typing.
So c'mon fbuom.
Stop the gainsaying and get down to something original for fuck's sake. Please.

You managed in your last post to position yourself as a absolutist and then with that one last battered chestnut: the war cry of the wishy-washy, at the end, to go out in that relativist blaze of contradictive nonsense.

Gimme a break.

a mouse in the corner says:

I honest think Keith wants to be the most hated man in Thailand. He just makes new enemies every week with everything he writes. I am sure people just read him to see him whine about the next person he thinks he does not like. Boo Hoo. Poor Keith. No wonder he cant keep a girl, he is a negative whinning woman. Learn to be a man Keith and even the poor issan girls will like you for at least your wallet.

wayfarer says:

Prufrock these guys are no match. You should create a site your writing is flawless

David says:

Hi Keith Summers

I read your latest piece and there are a couple of points you got wrong.

"Guys, let me let you in on a little dirty MangoSquash secret (I guess this is an "open secret"). Dave carefully excludes comments as he deems appropriate. That's right. I stopped posting there a few months back when he rejected one or two of my comments that really nailed down a topic and defended my position."

Only in your dreams, Keith. You've never been censored here and the only reason you won't comment is that you're scared of being ridiculed in a public forum (with good reason).

"Dave released my personal information to the Internet in an effort to vilify me. I in turn released Paul's information to the Internet."

Everyone in our corner of cyberspace witnessed those events and knows that the opposite occurred.

What do you hope to gain by telling such obvious lies?

Regards
David

Why attack Marc Holt? says:

The latest tirade from Keith was amusing to say the least and the two plus two equals three billion four hundred and seventy six that he came up with linking Marc Holt to Keith Summers was really the stuff of a deranged mind.

I do hope Marc has the wither all to go after Keith for not only libel but to also pin him to the wall for insinuating that Marc does illegal property transactions to the betterment of his wife.

The fact that Keith originally went after Stickman for let's wait for it "damaging a friends business in Pattaya" seems to have escaped him in his self delusional deranged state as he now sets out to damage Marc's business on some wild connection of the dots because Marc happened to mention John Galt in one of his submissions on Stickman.

Maybe there is a connection there and maybe there isn't but the point is, John Galt is not a bloody living entity whereas Marc Holt and his business is.

Talk about not having a grip on reality.

Poetic Justice says:

The Keith Summers slow motion train wreck gathers momentum. This is like watching that 1985 Jon Voight movie 'Runaway Train'. Keith (the gay stalker owner of AsianSinals) is the sadistic prison warden who pushes too far and, in false bravado, insists on lowering himself from the helicopter to the runaway train speeding through the snowy Alaska wilderness to confront his nemesis, only to find his nemesis overpowers him and handcuffs him inside the cab of the speeding train as it heads to its spectacularly explosive finale.

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

Say, what????????????????

fbuom

You sick fag fairy says:

Wayfarer, who shall forever henceforth be known as Gayfairy, whines;

"why is keith beinging attacked so much? stickman is no saint"
March 15, 2007 4:29 AM

And then gushes admiringly and with stars in his eyes;

"greg i agree with u 100"
March 15, 2007 4:31 AM

And then says, while waiing low and subserviently gushing like a schoolgirl;

"Prufrock you owned anonymous"
March 16, 2007 6:37 AM

And then in a totally sickening display of fawning, gay, subservience, he flutters his eyelashes and says;

"Prufrock these guys are no match. You should create a site your writing is flawless"
March 16, 2007 9:16 PM

Prudefuck, no need to trawl the katoey bars any more, you got yourself a regular little bum fuck right here on Mango Sauce. Go for it and fuck his gay little hero worshipping ass.

Prufrock says:

David: I think Common Sense, Road Natzi, Grunt, Dicer, Nick Stafford from ks, TK, Carrie, Telemachus, Drivespline,and a host of other posters would concur with your observation that Summers is lying here.
And certainly NOT because we're all Stick's buddies and certainly not because WE are all friends.

The question is: Why does Summers stalk and smear high visibility internet bloggers in Thailand.
Has he uncovered a plot by you and Stickman to dominate the turn signals business?
This fellow has moved into the realm of the sad and damaged. We all have our moments there, I suppose, but Summers barricades himself there and fixates on everyone else he sees as his enemy.

There IS a hell on earth and Summers a person of some modest skill and entrepreneurial competency has managed to find it.
Ironic that he's our Thailand directional signals maven.

Prufrock says:

Happy St. Prufrock's Day everyone! :-)

naysayer says:

I'm voting with "you sick fag fairy".
If Prufrock got a site of his own, we wouldn't have to scroll through his flatulent posts anymore.
Does he know HTML or will he go with the canned software?

sloft says:

posting things like this
"Keith Summers the homosexual stalker"

Plain stupid or you thought you are smart posting that with John/Keith name makes it into the search engines and the memory of the web.

Going about Keith, you need to be at least as smart as he is. Challenge!

How primitive and low are threads like ... somebody will kick the shit out of him, etc....

I read stickmans weekly a lot and a couple of times I really didn’t like how he pushed businesses without claiming it is an advertisement or there are personal interests.

But sure buy a newspaper (Sun) ..same same .. I had wished that he would have been capable to make his site respectable … ok, naïve me, but I have the feeling that many people gave his site this credit. I think a lot thought he is a friend.

Keith has some valid points. Building up such anger/energy … is behind me.

Obvious, stickmans money making scenario wasn’t set up right.
Otherwise the weekly wouldn’t be off the web.

Nothing wrong with making money, but if you are in the public you need to be prepared to take the heat.

Now he post this ‘Marc Holt’ readers submission …. "Mr John Galt, ….was charged last night with pedophilia".

Yeah, all fiction on stickmans site, and just now… that's how to respond to Keith attack?.
Nope, finally for me, his credit is used up.
Stickman could just disappear and I give a fly if Keith does too.

I think mangosauce will be remembered being the discussion platform of this controversy and maybe many more in the future ;)
Stay balanced
sloft

Anonymous says:

This Mango Sauce is a great website.
Way more interesting than the John Galt crap that that moron, Keith Summers is putting out.
Funny thing is, I heard about THIS site over at the Galt site.


Keith Summers reputation as a Virgin Stalker is surfacing and everyone, from Police Chief to Street Sweepers in Nakon Panom must now aware of his antics.
Talk of the town I bet.

You would think that an "expert" on Asian cultures would know it is best to fly under the radar.

Mango Sauce Fan says:

The not stickman site was amusing and I enjoyed Keith Summers writing.
The Sex Tour/Virgin Stalker thing concerns me though. True?

John says:

One of the bitches Summers had was that Stickman uses material from other people and he made a big thing about this non secret. Certainly at the bottom of each weekly Stickman puts the credits of who contributed. But now essentially Summers has become what he was pursuing by including other peoples comments in his column. Virtually everything other than suggesting who Stickman is was common knowledge should anyone care to take a closer look. So besides Summers now being a hypocrite he has now marked himself in the eyes of the Thais. He openly admits association with a high profile arrested pedofile but makes little or no condemnation of his actions.

As he continues to reveal more and more about his inner self in the hopes to somehow strengthen his position he sinks deeper into the abyss of his illness. At some point statements will no longer be enough and he will no doubt express his position in a more physical way. That will be particularly true when he comes to realize his actions are not having the desired effect. At that point this story will stop being a point of amusement and one of tragedy. I just wonder if any of the readers and posters here have what it takes to see to it that does not happen.

William Mahanakorn says:

Dicer:
"On the other hand step in there with the Rama stories - actually at one time I called the psuedo culture fellows Maha-Nana - and you become a joke.

That said, you are lumping some of us who came here primarily for work and had to learn the language to get on with it, but still had a fleeting interest in the totty army, with the throngs of lumpen. No complaint...simply pointing it out."

All this from Dicer, whose propensity to cut-and-paste Thai history at whim and who name-drops David Wyatt (have you read anyone else? Are you familiar with the fate of Walter Vella, for example?) have illustrated that he is here the pot resoundingly calling the Maha Nanas "black."

Really, Dicer. How glib and pat to pretend a passing interest in the "army" of all things -- I'm assuming you mean the Thai army and not the faded glories of your homeland's -- then liberally post your views to a website that promotes, not the Thai army, Thai history or even "psuedo" sic culture, but the unadulterated retardation and degradation of having sex with Thai farm girls, Japanese fart fetish videos, and calling each other names.

In Dicer's view..."Not that there's anything wrong with it! But I am somehow above it. Or beneath it all."

Let's face it. Here is the order of your descent: 1. Chang beer. 2. Thai farm girls. 3. Pills. 4. Massage parlours, on occasion. 5. Soi Cowboy. 6. Nana Plaza. 7. Thermae.

8. Hmm....If I am sober, I'll read something that I purchased at Asia Books written by a farang PhD which contains within its covers a timeline of important events and names.

The hookers of Nana love the Hawaiian shirts and the non-Thai speaking open wallets for obvious reasons.

If you go to an upscale hotel in Bangkok, wear, not a Hawaiian shirt, but an Italian one, and you will find the same exact thing with an improvement in atmosphere, an inflation in cocktail prices, digestible food, and the ability of your companion to comprehend your conversations -- even if you would love to prattle on about psuedo sic culture.

Grunt says:

"David: I think Common Sense, Road Natzi, Grunt, Dicer, Nick Stafford from ks, TK, Carrie, Telemachus, Drivespline,and a host of other posters would concur with your observation that Summers is lying here." - Prufrock

Hey, dont lump me in with the myriad of shit slingers.

I couldnt care less as I can spot a canned debate wedge issue a mile away.

No good can come from BKK bloggers dragging themselves down into a pissing contest.

David, for the most part, must understand this as he pays no mind 90% of the time.

I would think the prime goal of those involved would be publicity. Even if its bad publicity.

Case in point, Ima go check out the Stickman AND the NotStickman webpages after I hit the "post" button.

Then its off to http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ for a nitecap.

bulb says:

There are good news from Mr. Summers for a change as he seems to have found out yesterday that he has " not had a perfect life " . Smelling shit from the past falling upon him I guess . Let's see , keep on watching the telly for the late news fellas , it ain't over yet .

bulb

wayfarer says:

hahaha

wayfarer says:

You sick fag fairy: you need a hobby. perhaps you should try masturbation

sloft says:

>>Safe to say that the notstickman tirade has backfired and exposed Keith Summers as a Pedophile.
Good.<<

Really? Why is he not in jail?
I keep reading this here over an over ... first thought I had, it's brainless, plain stupid black mailing somebody.
Ok, now I ask. Maybe some of you guys who post that over and over .. can provide me with the facts/proof they are having.

Yes, I have a 11yrs old (krueng) daughter.

-------------

Hi Sloft

I agree with you and I've removed all the unsubstantiated paedophile allegations from this thread.

Keith is a self-confessed "virgin stalker" and his friend was arrested for committing sexual offences against children but no evidence has emerged that he himself is a paedophile.

Even Keith Summers should be treated fairly.

Regards
David

Khao San says:

Keith Summers comes to Thailand on a sex tour, reads The Stickman, moves to Thailand, starts his own website, writes about stalking/screwing Thai virgins, attempts to run the The Stickman out of business, calling his place of employment, then gets his name plastered all over the web.
Better change his name.

Chad says:

Let's face it,the internet's main attraction is boffing up on knowledge through reading copious amounts of info and also being able to peruse lots of smut so as to spank your little monkey red raw.(come on,admit it!)And no one I know admits to ever clicking on any ad banners on the net.I mean why the fuck would you and if you do you'd have to be a complete cockhead considering there's so much free stuff out there anyway.Anyway Stick has offered me some knowledge through his site and not once have I clicked on an ad.(sorry Stick but I ain't so gullible,I've been around long enough to see through any BS) But, this seems to be CuntKeiths' main objection though, that Stick is making money out of the ad revenues.If people are stupid enough to click on the ads,well then good luck to Stick.I bet you click on ads, don't you Keith??? That has to be the reason why penis enlargement spam mail is still around after all these years. Keith just fuck off you twisted little ant.

Prufrock says:

Chad? Um, that's not exactly how this Google add revenue thing works. And No, I'm not gonna teach you. You'll hafta find out for yourself.
It's on the internet.

widowmaker says:

William Mahanakorn says: Really, Dicer. How glib and pat to pretend a passing interest in the "army" of all things -- I'm assuming you mean the Thai army and not the faded glories of your homeland's -- then liberally post your views to a website that promotes, not the Thai army, Thai history or even "psuedo" sic culture, but the unadulterated retardation and degradation of having sex with Thai farm girls, Japanese fart fetish videos, and calling each other names.

William Mahanakorn sounds like the farang sheila running the bible classes. If David's site is so bad why are you on it, Western bitch? And what do you like: western farm boys?

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

I note, with irony, your above correction of a 'fact'.;-)

I also note you accused me of editing out meaning and content without providing the original and 'edtited' versions for me and others to compare. I've been waiting for some explanation before I responded. Perhaps you thought you 'won'.

If we go back a while, I think I can demostrate the opposite has been true - remember our exchange over those years before Tom Hanks walked ashore? 1944, wasn't it - when he walked ashore?

If you think you've insulted or provoked me be saying I'm not creative. Gosh, sorry, I've known that since my teen years. I'm only inventive. If I were creative, like you, I'd have my own blog, I wouldn't be posting on others. Ooops! That's right, you don't have a blog, either.

In any case, I thought the blogger came up with the original stuff, commentors just reacted.

But to continue my response. There are lots of talented folks in the world who have little or no creative spark. But they still contribute hugely to society. If we all were creative, there's lots we'd suffer without. Clean clothes, agricultural products, the list goes on. Good or bad, we'd also likely not have anyone to employ us because no one would want to actually run any business that offered the fruits of creative labor. A little hyperbole there, but you get the point.

Oh, and absolutes very definitely exist in my very relativist world. Think of them as the limits on the real-number line - you know, + and - infinity. At some point we usually say, "For all practical purposes", even when we haven't mathematically (we're not speaking arithmetic, here) reached a limit.

Finally, your quote of Mark Twain totally begged the question. To summarize, you denigrated someone on the basis of where they were raised. I merely pointed out that was a specious argument and named a few Yank commentators that came from similarly inauspicious roots. Mark Twain was one - whether or not his quote applied was totally outside the scope of my post. A point I clearly made in my post.

fbuom
Apologies to those who haven't read/don't recall all the exchanges 'twixt Prufrock and I. There's more than a few references to those exchanges above. Including them would have _really_ made it long.

William Mahanakorn says:

Widowmaker:

You fucktard. I love Mangosauce and women. You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills....Crocodile.

Yabba says:

Heads up to all you Pattaya guys. Thailand's most infamous farang is planning some R&R there. I understand photos and posters have been distributed to all bars, bargirls and freelancers warning them to avoid this most creepiest of men. Watchers have been recruited all over the place and his activities and whereabouts will be known, documented and photographed every minute of the day. I hear one of the Pattaya forums will be hosting readers 'Summers sightings and alerts'. This is going to be great fucking entertainment.

Prufrock says:

Yabba, You've piqued my curiosity. Just how would you feel if some misguided nutter murders this twat Keith Summers after spotting him in Pattaya ?
Sure Summers is a sad fuck but a mob of crazed Yob losers could easily get into a murderous frenzy after spotting him.
Then ANYTHING could happen.

Or haven't you thought about that. I mean REALLY thought about that.
Or if you have, a mob beating and lynching of this poor nutbar will be ok with you?

Izzy Einstein says:

In his recent column, Keith Summers makes a big deal out of an Alexa graph that shows that Stickman's popularity is declining and that his own NotStickman site is on a par with Stickman and Mangosauce in terms of readership.
However, the below mentioned article completely undermines this belief of Keith Summers. The Alexa rankings can very easily be manipulated, but I don't think Keith is aware of that:
Article in question: http://thaifarang.co.uk/26.html

Yabba says:

Summers was the one who put it out in the public domain. Summers is the one who has, unwisely in my view, stuck his head over the parapet in such a visible fashion, so along with that comes a certain notoriety. Your average farang in Patts is probably NOT going to do anything physical to Summers, and it is not something I would condone. BUT you gotta admit Summers is now a great source of curiosity, something of a freak show and now he is going to Farang Central. It is goin to be entertainment and one of the Patts forums is jumping on the bandwagon.

kwai mai sabai says:

David,
There is no evidence that KEITH SUMMERS is a PAEDOPHILE. Brilliant! Should be able to Googen that one, no problem.

Prufrock says:

Yes, Yabba. I agree that what you said is a matter of record and that this guy Summers is a rather sad monkey to say the least. I would also agree that he's the one who got himself into this corner. I also agree that most Pattaya guys wouldn't give a toss about him.
Its the others, of which there are MANY that I wish to mention.
Summers been profiled by two three armchair amateurs as a stalker AND armchair amateurs are not necessarily wrong when the object of analysis presents as a classic textbook stalker.
And that's the problem.
When he used to hit the blogs and use them for his nasty purposes, I recall being in on some of the swarmings myself.

I don't wish to hector or to preach (in spite of the occasionally unfortunate, preachy, hectoring tone of my diction) but I think you are not disagreeing that there is a serious chance that this guy could end up running down Walking Street from a gang of drunken lager louts. Much the same as a pedophile is murdered in prison. It could happen in the wink of an eye.
I will hazard a guess to say that even Stickman would not want this guy to get lynched.
I really believe this.
Visa problems, commercial hassles, ostracism, hell on earth in the form of being committed to a blog that should be put out of its misery: YES.
Violent murderous attacks: I THINK NOT.

Just as crazed as a pack of Thai MO-sigh corner boys, or street venders can kill, Summer's lynching is a real possibility.
The self-righteous and the aimless are conceivably capable of ritualizing and tribalizing their way into physically harming (or much worse) this poor miserable bastard Summers.

"High road" pretenders are usually full of shit and many on this board say that I am anyway. I don't care about them frankly.
But I WOULD care about us all getting smeared as a lynch mob of hateful murderous Stickman fans who created the environment of legitimacy in which this poor bastard was seriously maimed or killed.
The worst part of it for me frankly would be being labeled as a Stickman fan in any way shape or form. Stick came here to "enjoy the sights and sounds and the wonderful people of Thailand", or some such nonsense, like almost everyone else. He now places himself above P4P. I have no use for Stick's Gurumandering pretensions, and his "suck up to the money" way of living here. In many respects what happened to him would have happened ANYWAY. It just took a fool like Summers to actually go through with this.

"American businessman beaten to Death by drunks in Pattaya because he outed Stuckman, a local Bangkok blogger of minor consequence" is something I'd never want to see on ANYBODY'S memorial notice. And the likes of Kate Macgown would have a fucking field day, wouldn't they?

By the way Kieth, if you DO go to Pattaya, "for the waters" as Stick used to go to fucking Nana,Cowboy, the Pong, and Patong and you DO survive without incident, please have the common sense NOT to crow about it on your pathetic website.
I also caution you against further outings of other bloggers or anyone else for that matter.
Because I don't see a lot of people coming to your defense, these days.
It's just time to stop now Mr. Summers.
Time to relax and just call it a day.

Wombat says:

Keith Summers stand up guy & ninja would have nothing to fear from a bunch of yobs. Actually I am just being flippant. I doubt Keith could fight his way out of a wet paper bag. I strongly suspect the stand up guy story was a smokescreen in response to a cold tentacle of fear creeping up his spine. I wouldn't want any physical harm to come to the little weasel. It is far more entertaining watching him self destruct. Mind you, photographs of the great virgin hunter in action could prove illuminating. Are there any genuine virgins of legal age in Pattaya? I would have thought they were as rare as honest politicians.

Dicer says:

Mahanakorn,

You focus on yur fart-art and I focus on other nefarious actions of our hosts. There is plenty room for all of us here. As for your smattering history missive you are trying to tell us that you've read a lot...please do tell us. BTW what's wrong with Wyatt?

There are the likes of Mulder, Baker, Reynolds...not to mention the Dutch and the Greeks who depicted the quirks and mannerisms of Ayutthaya. I can start self promotion a la your nemesis Dean Barrett but what's the point.

Anyway you mentioned Vella. You are trying to reveal to us the mechanics of being hit by a bus or are you trying to rub on me your knowledge of his stuff on Rama III, the Oxbridge educated Vajiravudh (Rama VI) or perhaps the very first coup in 1910... this was the same Vajiravudh - Vella found alluring - who railed against the Chinese as the Jews of SEA. Go on tell is a Vella anecdote.

Vella made his contribution and for that we rallied and help set up in his name a fund at a Chiang Mai university plus many pieces on the Journal of Asian Studies.

and then this:

"If you go to an upscale hotel in Bangkok...you will find the same exact thing with an improvement in atmosphere, an inflation in cocktail prices, digestible food, and the ability of your companion to comprehend your conversations."

Where does one start with the assumption hill. No bother. Here is assumption 2104: Companions who comprehend your conversations in upmarket hotels. Is that what you do? Get comprehended by local hi-sos in pricey hotels? Do you dream of joining the Khunings at the Hyatt Erawan high tea? No let me guess, you already do.

You don't seem to realise that talking history or culture on a forum is one thing. Doing the same in a Nana go-go bar is another, and quite amusing if not totally laughable.

P.S. If you want something amusing try Lords of Life by Chula Chakrabongse

William Mahanakorn says:

Dicer--

It looks like you are the one reciting a bibliography in the forum: I like some of what Wyatt has done, ditto Reynolds. Baker is a lightweight. Mulder is okay, but I'm afraid you might find him at Nana one night as well. I do know of other well-known scholars in the field who also happen to be Maha Nanas. So, by negative deduction, we are, in fact, discussing Thai culture on Mangosauce. Notice all of them are farang? Feels a bit foolish, doesn't it? But I suppose, given your reading list, that you might be the only other person I know of who may have read The King Never Smiles. I cannot find anyone to talk to about that book by Paul Handley -- a journalist no less. Sigh.

Anyway, if you are in the Charming Bar on Soi Nana (is it still there?), where I used to spend most of my hours and all of my teacher's pay, could you ask Lek if she still has my dog-eared copy of The Politics of Reform in Thailand: Education in the Reign of King Chulalongkorn by David Wyatt? She had told me she wanted to borrow it "for short time". But it's been six years.

Cheers,
Wm.

wayfarer says:

i cant believe people are trying to make this physical

Faber & Faber says:

The idea of trying to extinguish the flames of anger directed towards Keith Summers is futile. Keith is a marked man. Prufrock, don't bother trying to lessen anyone's desire to see him 'lynched.' Any posting on the web of 'Summers the TWAT' being attacked would provide endless entertainment for many; so why be a killjoy Pru?

By creating his own website, Summers is now public property. We, the audience, are free to lambast the bastard at leisure. Revelling in reports of him being harmed are akin to buzzin' off Gary Glitter gettin' whacked in a Cambo jailhouse. True, Glitter has more gold in his veins than Summers, but Keith is ripe for retribution...so roll on destiny.

Sometimes words are not enough...just ask Moses. If Summers does get hurt, it is simply the actions of decent, whore mongering,degenerate web-folk restoring law and order in cyber-space.

Anyway, perhaps Keith will 'step-up' and apply his Isaan grappling techniques if trouble-is-a-comin'?

And, it doesn't matter whether I like Stick or not, or if I bought a dodgy LED signal or if I simply respect blue cheese. Keith is a cunt and deserves a scar or two.

Prufrock says:

So if Summers is murdered by a pack of Patts drunks you're ok with that then , right?
This'd be like gay bashing, which from your previous posts where you're busy offering oral sex to Road Natzi, Common Sense or anyone else who might show interest, I assume you'd be opposed.
Unless, like Dana, you're just a plain garden variety cocksucker.

A pack of Patts asshole fough-baowgh yobos then, their moral compasses NOT suddenly jarred into a lynching operation by fucktard Summers' antics, but rather by YOUR offer of a QUICK HUMMER.
They chase YOU down the street with pool cues and Night Market/ Day Market. switchblades.
One or more of these losers, seizing a chance to actually do something with his life, slips a blade between your ribs and then cuts your throat.
Or the mob (much like a gang bang) beats you to a bleeding eyeless mass of flesh in the middle of the road. Much to the delight of Patts demimonde.
You'd be OK with that.
Nice.

Trust me Fabes, in the world YOU advocate. . . the world of rough justice, (not just "rough trade") THAT would be OK.
Mob murder would be OK because Summers outed a blogger few people could give a shit about anymore.
You're truly a sick dark-sided fuck there,Fabes.
Sicker than Summers.

wayfarer says:

damn prufrock is right again.

Anonymous says:

Gay fairy sucks up to prudefuck yet again. Keep it up and you will be rewarded with the best ass fuck of your life. Prudefuck will have to use a strap-on though as his soggy MacDonalds french fry of a penis ain't gonna do much.

Faber & Faber says:

Prufrock, Nicefrock, proof-of-cock whatever. Why not disembark your wizened tool from Keith's rectum and take a chill-pill. Do you really think people are that bothered about Keith the TWAT that they would go on a mission to kill him? Methinks you are a little bit melodramatic and as for your rants....well, the lady doth protest too much!

Fabes? What does this mean? Should I address you as Pru darling? Your over-familiarity makes my skin crawl. Furthermore, your references (multiple) to cock-sucking reveal your innermost wishes and I would not want to be included in your fantasies. Desist now sir...

Anyway, lets analyse your dream, you state:

'They chase YOU down the street with pool cues and Night Market/ Day Market. switchblades. One or more of these losers, seizing a chance to actually do something with his life, slips a blade between your ribs and then cuts your throat.'

Overlooking your ghastly, pedestrian prose the imagery therein reflects your homosexual desires. Pool-cues? Switch-blades? Slips in...? Add to this your previous allusions and all becomes clear: Prufrock, you are a frustrated wannabe toilet trader.

Moreover, Keith Summers is still a TWAT.

Prufrock says:

Strained at best.
Since when do lynch mob and "go on a mission" occupy the same thought. And you're the one REPEATEDLY promoting himself as a blow monkey to the chocolate channel brigade, not me, Fabiola.
Your self admitted cock sucking habit and acreer a matter of record.
You and that dingdong twat can't even respond to my comments unless you write up an ENTIRE imaginary description of what you need me to be.
You're both sex-crazed goofs. But neither of you is even really here :-)

And there's NOTHING wannabe about you as a toilet trader. You shouted from the rooftops here and elsewhere that YOU ARE THE REAL THING.
No need to analyze YOUR smegma-encrusted dreams there, Fabiola.

Snookynic says:

I for one really like Keith's website.
I am a Farang living in Bangkok for quite some time and never heard of the Stickman site before.

I now am aware of both Stickman and Non Stickman.

This is only my opinion, but I prefer Galt's site by far. It is very informative and mostly bullshit free.
Stickman's site is messy and not that informative.

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
Are you really such a peace loving hippie that you would actually shed a tear if Galt got fucked up. Karma can be a mother fucker, but personally I look towards Darwin in instances such as these. Survival of the fittest does have a clause that eliminates morons who entice violence to be brought upon themselves.

Keith practically came out and asked for whatever may happen to him. Fuck it, lynch Stickman too. I don't like either of them.

dingdongrb says:

WTF Prufrock??? Yes, I just had to scroll through this thread and yes, I was right, I haven’t even posted once here. But to my contrary belief you still have to try and shoot me down. WTF, can’t you leave me alone for at least a little bit? Or is it my hard American cock what you're after? Damn and I thought you had glorious times shagging all those Rangsit wenches. My mistake.

As far as Summers, I guess you’re into little boys too and don’t want to see him hurt. How sweet of you. Maybe he can take you out sometime and you can become his ninja sidekick. How about I go against Common’s wishes and provide you with a new name? How about Keithy Jr.?

Now as far as my imagination goes, I have no imagination about you. I truly feel that you are one deprived old man that is nothing but a big fat, eyeglass toting, bald headed, want-a-be sex tourist that has failed miserably as an English teacher in Thailand. Not to mention a loser from the UK that has had to move around the world in order to use the Internet café in Patpong because your retirement funds weren’t enough to allow you to buy your own PC.

Tell me, what is it you really want, an all-inclusive ‘first class’ trip to China to bag some Beijing babes, or some tutoring on Y2K? Leave me alone. You’ve already bashed America now let others bash KS. Just keep me out of your superior artistic literature throw downs.

Intrepid says:

William Mahanakorn says: 'then liberally post your views to a website that promotes, not the Thai army, Thai history or even "psuedo" sic culture, but the unadulterated retardation and degradation of having sex with Thai farm girls, Japanese fart fetish videos, and calling each other names.'

Take a look in the mirror, mate.

Prufrock says:

Honestly there dingledangle I have absolutely NO CLUE as to what you're ON about.
This thread? throw down? your pathetic genitalia and 'Murka: all in one foul putrid non-sequitur.

Even if they COULD be bothered to understand you there, Rat-lips, nobody gives a shit about ANYTHING you have to say.

Prufrock says:

To All: I've just read through dingdongrb's post and I honestly don't have the foggiest notion what he's on about. After a second reading I wonder if English is hid native language.
But like I said to him in answer to his post: No one gives a shit, dingding.

Prufrock says:

Common: I just don't see what Summers did as a capital offense. I am loathe to identify with a mob such as I have described who would lynch him and then maybe "feel bad about it."
Stickman isn't worth it.
I'm not trying to finesse this at all but I think Keith will suffer more in the way I have indicated. My sense of retributive justice doesn't see Summers being beaten to death. I just can't see that as a fair outcome.
Personal sensibilities.

The Hell on Earth syndrome works far better for me. Its Promethean imagery is priceless. Keith is chained to his pathetic blog. He's hammered the pinion into the rock HIMSELF. He's, by his own boasts, committed. Chained to the rock.
Every Thursday Keith has his liver eaten out when he has to come up with his weekly post. Maybe he's too psychotic to realize it at this stage but he is in fucking agony, man.
It's Hell on Earth. Check it out. He has to write something for public consumption and he can barely form a sentence. He's just spiraling Common.
I agree with the poster who said that it's more fun watching the guy self-destruct. He can't even turn off the lights and do it in peace. He has to have his liver eaten out in full view every Thursday at around 10:00 pm
You don't think he looks forward to his weekly ordeal at the keyboard do you? All that bullshit about Thai culture? All he really wants to do is shit on Stickman and EVERYONE is bored shitless with THAT. AND Summers has to appear to be a man on the scene to legitimize his claims to having something to say.

BTW- Interesting that YOU have no use for Stick either. I've been more than clear as to why I have no use for his type of blogger. What are YOUR reasons?

Dicer says:

Karma can be a mother fucker, but personally I look towards Darwin in instances such as these. Survival of the fittest does have a clause that eliminates morons who entice violence to be brought upon themselves. - CS

CS, what are you on these days. Fine words from yourself here. "Karma can me a mother fucker" conjures up images of a chap with a hard on sweating like an offender. As for the Darwin clause, many have often wondered why I use the terms mutant and misfit. This is the reason why:

[Those who eschew peeking through the looking glass scroll down to the next post]


Evolution goes into many volumes about how the fittest survive but never once answers the question why? This is the sort of irrelevant sounding question that seems minor at first, and the mind looks for quick answers to dismiss it. It sounds like one of those hostile ignorant questions some religious quack at Nana might think about. But why do the fittest survive? Have you ever wondered? It's illogical. If evolution is a result of the physical and chemical forces of nature then why is life opposed to these forces in its struggle to survive?

Either life is with physical nature or it's against it. If it is with nature there is nothing to survive. If it's against physical nature then there must be something apart from the physical and chemical forces of nature that is motivating it against physical nature. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that all energy systems run down like a clock and never rewind themselves. But life only not 'runs up' , converting low energy sea-water, sunlight and air into high energy chemicals, it keeps multiplying itself into more and better clocks that keep 'running up' faster and faster.

Why, for example should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organise themselves into a Keith Summers. What's the motive? Selling motorbike signal lights? If we leave a motorbike signal light salesman out on the rock in the sun long enough the forces of nature will convert him into simple compounds of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, calcium, phosporous and small amounts of other minerals. It's a one-way reaction. No matter what kind of appliance salesman we use we can't turn these chemicals into a Keith Summers. Keith Summers is an unstable mixtures of predominantly unstable compounds which, in the exclusive presence of the sun's heat, decays irreversably into simple organic and inorganic compounds. You may find this a happy thought but it is a scientific fact.

Then the question is: What on earth causes the inorganic compounds to go the other way? We just saw what the sun's energy did to Summers. It has to be something else. What is it? Evolution simply says that in the scientific observation of the facts of the universe no goal or pattern has ever appeared towards which life is heading. The very same universe which created and accomodated a Summers until the sun's energy fizzed him into small bubbles of chemicals. This statement from evolutionists simply sweeps the whole matter under the carpet one would never guess that it was of much concern to them at all.

I think the ever going debate was epitomised my the famous discussions between the late Stephen Jay Gould and Richard Dawkings (of selfish gene fame.)

People like Gould and Dawkins at least agreed that evolution is recklessly opportunistic: it favours any variation that provides a competitive advantage over other members of an organism's own population or over individuals of different species. No program controls or directs this progression. It was the result of spur of the moment decisions of natural selection. So the matter is settled then. It seems clear that no mechanstic pattern exists towards which life is heading, but has the question been taken up of whether life is heading AWAY FROM mechanistic patterns? This question has not been taken up at all. Of course the assertion that all life is evolving away from any law just draws baffled looks. It does not make any sense. It seems to say that all life is headed towards chaos, since chaos is the only alternative to structural patterns. The reason evolutionists keep quiet about this is that science values patterns. It's business is to search for them. When mess appears it is considered an interruption of the normal rather than the presence of the normal.

This is how the stuff works. A thing does not exist because we have never observed it, say like the platypus. The reason we have never observed it is because we have never looked for it. And the reason we have never looked for it is because it is not considered important although in that spur of the moment natural selection it is important whereas to the alchemy of modern science it is unimportant.

But aren't we here to defy gravity. Isn't life about breaking rules of nature. A similar thing could be said about the Second Law of Thermodynamics or other physical laws. Evolution is the organised disobedience of these laws. If one gathers enough of these deliberate violations of the laws of nature and formed a generalisation from them a quite different theory of evolution could be inferred. If life is to be explained on the basis of physical laws then the overwhelming evidence that life deliberately works around these laws cannot be ignored. The reasons those atoms became Kieth Summers has got to be that something in nature does not like laws of chemical equilibrium or the law of gravity or laws of thermodynamics or any other law that restricts the molecules' freedom. They only go with the laws of any kind because they have to, preferring an existence like Keith Summers that does not follow any laws whatsoever.

This would at first seem to contradict the one thing that evolutionists insist most upon and which you have quoted: that life is not responding to anything but the 'survival of the fittest.' But this is one of those catch-phrases like 'mutants' and 'misfits' that sounds best when you don't ask precisely what it means. Fittest for what? Fittest for survival? That becomes survival of the survivors then, which does not say anything. If we equate 'fittest' with 'best' it may be more meaningful. Still 'fittest' is undefined. Just as 'mutant' and 'misfit' are undefined.

So when I see Thais who set their environment on fire and choke themselves to the ER all the while smiling I am compelled to use mutant rather than fittest because by any stretch of the imagination burning the land, forest and rubbish until you clutch your throat and run to the hospital can not be equates with an action that emanates from the fittest or the best just as someone who publicly appears as a hyman chasing obsessively vindictive appliance salesman who has become a huge smirk does not equate with the fittest or the best. When I see foreigners who jump into a hooker driven wagon and self-destruct I am compelled to use the term misfit rather than fittest. We therefore have not only fittest, but misfits and mutants in that Darwin fine print. In fact, come to think of it what better example of a mutant than a ladyboy.

As I said in the past evolution LOS style is survival of the mutant locals, survival of the mafia fittest and survival of farang misfits respectively.

Evolution is a tricky thing and we have plenty of examples to show us just that. Now you sound like you are confident the Hyperborean fittest are the winners. I, on the other hand, am not sure. Looking around the world I'm more and more inclined towards what Gould suggested: that the bacteria, rat and coackroach will win in the end. If you consider the rat and roach the fittest then that would be just it, in which case making your Darwin quote preety much useless when we humans are concerned.

After all it's about change is it not? I think it was Bacon who said where the anterior body giveth way, as fast as the posterior comes on, it makes no noise.

Faber and Faber says:

Poor Prufrock... seems he has become more unpopular than Keith the TWAT.

Oh, how we laughed...

Dodgy L.E.D. sales says:

There is a video on Youtube of Keith Summers blasting Prufrock's ass.

Parental guidance is advised.

Prufrock says:

Fascinating Fabiola Cruises the Park for Mansauce
Self-admitted fellatellist and sperm gargler, Faber and his efforts to cobble together a lynch mob for anyone who shows him up for the old lady he really is, have brought an exciting new level of stupidity to the web.
All this in an effort to "prove" something or to create nullifying consensus. Mob stupidity os NOT confined to Patts lager louts.
And you are living, breathing (when you're not chugging cock for the cause)are proof of it.
Blow it out your over-stretched sphincter, you silly bastard.

dingdongrb says:

And Prufrock says, “Honestly there dingledangle I have absolutely NO CLUE as to what you're ON about”. Then continues to ramble on, “To All: I've just read through dingdongrb's post and I honestly don't have the foggiest notion what he's on about.”

It appears that Keithy Jr (aka Prufrock) is once again speed-reading as much as he’s speedwriting.

Slow down Pruie, you’re going to hurt yourself.

Now go back and read three posts up from my original post and tell me, don’t you see the same thing I see, “You and that dingdong twat can't even respond to my comments unless you write up an ENTIRE imaginary description of what you need me to be.
You're both sex-crazed goofs. But neither of you is even really here :-)”? If not maybe when I get to the LOS next month I’ll help wedge that Patpong PC up your arse.

Get lost chump, go play on Summer’s site. It appears your fan club here is fading.

Dr J A Earnshawe BSc PhD says:

Dear Mr Dicer

I have just been through your long homework and my rather necessarily lengthy comments are below.

Mr Summers exposed himself in class as not quite having the grasp of evolutionary theory required by the British National Curriculum of the average 12 year old. I considered it pointless to enter discussion with him until he did some extra homework assignments, although I have often found it futile to try to explain abstract concepts to those still operating at the concrete cognitive level. However, because I always assumed you were a deeper thinker (probably because I felt your previous essays always read as if they should mean something), after your latest assignment I may have to reconsideryour grades.

How the fittest survive has been well documented by evolutionary biologists such as Darwin and Dawkins (see textbooks), and it is true that they never did actually tell us, or even attempt to tell us, why the fittest survive. But why should they? Isn’t it for each person to seek out a meaningful reason for his existence? Is yours a theological dilemma? Or do you mean: for what reason do the fittest survive? It is true that ‘how’ questions are often open to empirical investigation, but I believe the ‘why’ question of our existence are best left to the supporters of intelligent design, such the religious, the existentialists, Stephen J Gould, the Americans, and other advocates of the supernatural.

You say (rather astonishingly) that the reason that the fittest survive is illogical? It is correct at least that your question is illogical, and therefore unanswerable by logic. Or do you mean that the mechanism of survival (how) is illogical? (If so you have contradicted yourself).

You stated ‘If evolution is a result of the physical and chemical forces of nature then why is it opposed to these forces in its struggle to survive?’

The mechanism of evolution (the differential survival of replicating units or genes) must be a result of the physical and chemical forces of nature – unless you believe in the supernatural forces of nature (talk to the RE department). But what evidence do you have that evolution is opposed to the natural forces of nature? - Surely not just the survival of a few mutants like Mr Summers?

You say, ‘Life is either with physical nature or it’s against it?’ Am I correct in interpreting your meaning is that life must be either governed by natural laws or governed by supernatural forces? Is this a scientific (logical) discussion? - in which case I can discuss it - or is it a non-scientific discussion? - in which case it will have no meaningful premises on which we can interact.

Next you state, ‘If life is with nature there is nothing to survive.’ What? I don’t get this one. How is there is nothing to survive if life is governed by the forces of nature? I am baffled. You presented no evidence to support this statement.

Next you say, ‘If it’s against physical nature there must be something apart from the physical and chemical forces of nature that is motivating it against physical nature.’ Because almost all credible scientists believe life is with nature, the ‘something’ that you believe could be 'motivating it' (you presumably mean some kind of supernatural intelligence?), does not therefore need to be invented.

We can agree that the second law of thermodynamics states that energy systems run themselves down like a clock and never rewind themselves. But the fundamental question to