Ahoy there! Keith Summers gets his 15 minutes

KoolKing says:

scorecard same

Galt 8.5 Stick 7.5

After reading this, I see no compelling reason to alter the score.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

it all sounded positive stuff Davo until you mentioned sticky wonkers site returning at the end.
Is there no end to this Horseshiteeee !

Thaxo.

Er says:

Surely you should post the name and photo of Stickman as well, just to be even-handed?

Be interesting to see what Keith does next, anyway... doesn't seem like he has anything to lose

Chuck Woww says:

Rivetting stuff David. But I notice one or two discrepancies in the timeline.

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Probably my fault, Chuck. The Stick interview was conducted in haste and at short notice with a very tight deadline. I'll be happy to correct any minor errors later.

Regards
David

MeMon says:

I personally think his attack on Stickman is pathetic. He waffles on about the reasons he despise's Stick so much but none of them really make any sense. He's one strange bloke.

Get the site back up Stick

Shane says:

Keith Summers, what an idiot!

Off The Wall joined Concerned For All out in the field doing a bit ‘O rabbit hunting.. well perv hunting to be exact.. I’ll be honest, those guys are too ‘ethical’ and want to give “The Galt” a chance to redeem himself, take his site down, resolve this peacefully. I don’t have that condition. I call a spade a spade.

Keith Summers started out accusing Stick of having “business interests” connected to his website. Duh! Show me a commercial website that doesn’t. He then says that Stick isn’t paying taxes, no work permit for his site, and so forth. Maybe, I don’t know Stick so or his personal life so how would I know? Who cares? Who died and left Keith Summers the new sheriff of the www?

The ironic part is Keith Summers is doing exactly what he accuses Stick of doing but with a very illegal business. How do I know? Because I once joined one of his tour groups for a drink, met the man, and walked away when the discussion of buying questionably aged sex partners came up almost right away. Keith Summers talks about it on his site but isn’t honest about his part in it. Read this:

Your all familiar with his “Virgin Quest” article? Read the very bottom paragraph:

“Coming to Thailand, One Option
If you have not been here before, you should come and give it try and look around for yourself. If you're nervous about coming alone, I can suggest a reputable tour group that you can come with.
This would be the first recommendation that I have ever made. And I want to be clear, I don't have any financial connection to the operator of this company that I will recommend to you. He has offered me a commission and I appreciate his offer, but we are friends. I declined his financial offer. I know he runs an honest business and he does a great job. If you come to Thailand with his tour, I have full confidence that your trip will be good one and that is the most important issue to me.
You have about one week from the posting of this article to make his next tour at the end of October (he has 2 openings from cancellations that occurred after the coup). The one after that will be in January sometime.
So, if you would like this recommendation, please email me and I'll send you an email address of my friend who I know will take care of you and help you make your visit here completely successful (and a hell of a lot of fun as well).
And remember, you have to see this place for yourself. Do not believe everything your read on the web. Do not send money to people here in Thailand unless you know them first. Keep your radar on and you'll have a great time in the Land of Smiles.
John Galt”

Hmm.. With all the accusations and crap he’s posted about Stick and honesty and screwing the readers and everything else.. It turns out Keith Summers is a guide and business interest of:
http://www.themantour.com/
This is how “The Great Galt” really gets his women.. he was a customer and now a guide. He couldn’t even arrange for his own hookers, he needed his hand held. You can see him here in the flesh:
http://www.themantour.com/images/
Photo%20Gallery/Keith_Thai_girl_2.jpg
http://www.themantour.com/images/
Photo%20Gallery/Keith_and_Ket.jpg
http://www.themantour.com/images/
Photo%20Gallery/Clients_Diving11.jpg
That’s your “Great Galt” folks. See how honest he is? Several guys who are on Sticks side of things have known this for a while and tried to resolve it with some civility. Keith just doesn’t make this possible. Time to expose him. More, rumor has it that he’s marketed underage flesh and some who wishes to remain unknown has promised to give this information directly to the Thai and Cambodian authorities unless the man takes his site down and gets lost between the cracks. I haven’t seen it, but there are supposed to be pictures and hand written affidavits. This wouldn’t surprise me given his obvious lying to anyone who will listen or read his site. Would it surprise you? I’ve been told this person might give the information to a Thai group that deals in hunting down such people but has some moral qualms about causing him physical harm and instead is considering the Thai and Cambodian authorities AND the Bangkok Post.
There’s more.. a lot more. Stick might not be the perfect gentleman, but he’s been out of the nightlife industry for years and has only been back to help his fellow farang when asked. In contrast the “Great Galt” is a low life predator who runs a flesh trade.
I sincerely hope Keith Summers does the “sane” thing. Take down the site and disappear. Big man with the ladies my ass. He couldn’t even pay for a hooker himself and had to have his hand held to do so. Now he holds other peoples hands.
David might choose not to post this. That’s ok, as long as the site is down by tomorrow noon I don’t care what happens. If this isn’t posted it’ll go directly to the Bangkok Post by morning. Keith is dangerous folks. He’s gotta go.
Coming at you from the wide open places where legends are made..
Shane..

Er says:

Keith is looking a bit sad now... but the site does say:

"You will play with girls in their early 20's"

so not sure where you get the children bit from; sounds more like a doublte bluff than anything else...

BTW the Bangkok Post will not publish anything unless you can back it up.

canipsi says:

this article certainly reinforced my belief that keith summers is more than a little unhinged.
however, i am really enjoying watching him slowly go down in flames... its like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Charles Frith says:

C'mon, get real. The guy is wearing a Hard Rock T-Shirt with no irony whatsover.

Chico says:

I know Stickman, and while I dont agree with many of the things he writes, I found his site informative, especially when I first came to Thailand. I personally dont care about the vendetta Summers seems to have against Stick. Infact, I was initially amused at the scrutiny of Stickman comments.

However, I think its particularly perverse to fuck with a mans life in the way he has; and it would seem for no other reason than pure spitefulness.

I'm not suggesting this course of action, its just my personal feeling on the matter, but if someone was to attack me and my livelyhood in such a personal manner I would have no problems in having him put in hospital for a lengthy period. Afterall, TIT.

Fun Times says:

Shane, I am bit confussed. You mentioned that Stickman has been out of the nighlife sceen/industry for years. However, if you pay attention to his website, it would appear that he is on the sceen every night. He's a fucking private detective. He obviously has to interact with people in the naughty nightlife sceen on a daily basis. Only difference is that now, he gets payed by suckers to go out drinking at beer bars, gogos, and discoteques so he can check up on their girlfriends. I'd even speculate that he probably enjoys that "job" a little more than he leads us to believe. I mean nobody that runs a bargirl investigation buisness, can really be all that honest of a person. I mean think about it; if you were Stickman, wouldn't you use the P.I. gig as an exuse to play around some? I sure as a hell would. How many times do you think Stickman has probably short timed the very same girls he is investigating?
And yes, I know he is a married man, blah blah blah.........

Er says:

It just came to me, Stickie is the Bangkok version of Jeffrey Archer, all arrogance and bluff and complete self-ignorance who has somehow, just like Archer, managed to get a good woman on his side.

No putting these guys down, even a prison stay didn't put Archer out... just more fodder for his literary career.

Carrie says:

Oh my goodness. This is priceless. Keith is a creepy looking and ugly person. What a total dweeb. He must be sooooo regretting this whole thing. It must have sounded like a good idea at the time but he is now THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THAILAND AND THE THAI LOVING FARANG COMMUNITY AROUND THE WORLD. Little creepy Keithy must be shitting his diapers right now. Hahahahaha. Payback is a bitch!

daniel says:

is that the same guy in ALL 3 photos they look slightly different but forget the hard rock t-shirt how does anyone have legs that white after living in thailand over an extended period of time.

ps. whats dean barret talking about he always said that stickman was bernard trink in diguise.

jake8 says:

a hoy indeed. megayuks. thanks

Liu Bei says:

daniel: "but forget the hard rock t-shirt how does anyone have legs that white after living in thailand over an extended period of time."

He probably wasn't living here at the time, just a starry-eyed sex-tourist with a dream, gladly playing the attention whore when the sex tour company asked to use his pictures...

I keep telling myself this can't get any weirder or more pathetic. I keep being proven very, very wrong.

Eagerly awaiting the next bombshell...

Kasman says:

Stickman site down, nothing new at Galt's site. It looks like both of these two flunked out of html 101 for dummies with their poorly designed websites. Maybe they should use this cooling off time, to find a real web designer and make a site that looks more like an adult english teacher would do and not like a kindergardner?
Maybe Dave at Mangosauce can have a basic html website 101 course for both Stickman and Galt. Sure they have good content at times, but that does not excuse the ignorant attempts at web design. Good entertainment value. What do you say the readers here all pony up 100 baht each, take the Stickman and Galt to Pattaya open Mua Thai ring, then let them get it on with the winner getting all the baht to support their incomes? Then the rest of us can get drunk and laugh our asses off; since these two farangs both want to be the center of attention in all of Thailand. How about guys? Winner take all? Maybe MangoSauce can come up with a special Champions Belt for the winner to parade around Walking Street with? This is better entertainment than WWE! Come on Galt post something new man?

Liu Bei says:

Kasman:

I got dibs on North American and European TV rights to the muay thai legend to last a lunchtime....

seesaw says:

I call a spade an inverted horticultural digging implement.

Just off out to get some more popcorn.

Peenoi says:

Kasman -I'm in! The Farang community need something else than T&A, beer and golf to gather around!

David, you proved yourself as the ultimate ruler of the www ! The grande finale, the peak, the zenith and the suspese ! I'm seeing sun, moon and stars in front of my eyes now!

jackson in usa says:

hey. I want to see a picture of the famous stickman.

Pattaya Peter says:

At least chapman had enough style to be obsessed with "The Catcher in the Rye," which is probably one more book than Keith Summers has read.

I was wondering where the nickname "galt" came from, thinking perhaps it was given to him by a bar girl.

This theory was confirmed by my Thai girlfriend who, upon watching an elephant relieve itself on silom road, covered her nose, frowned and said "chang galt."

"the great galt" indeed. perhaps he'll do what everyone else in hollywood does when their 15 minutes are up, namely, make a failed attempt to rob a liquor store. we can then look forward to his stay in San Quetin prison, where he'll be a conquered young virgin of a different kind.

moss says:

summer-gault = grasping at straw dogs.

That familiar lapse in self-esteem coming from the grey ends of my younger sister as she sullenly watched from a safe hiding place, stymied by her own lack of personal dynamics, and displaying mine as her own, yet she was intense...jealous...petulant, absorbing everything she could from me, only that one day she would call it her own, conquering the invisible, green dragon of selfloathing eating at her insides.

I liked Stick's allegory much better!

philH says:

David, when we ask for more tits, bums and fanny's on Mango Sauce we are referring to parts of the female anatomy not their male equivalents.

Matt says:

So we can finally conclude that Keith Summers is just a bit barmy.

Pepsi Twister says:

Both the Stick and Gault are not helping the image of Thailand, nor are they really the type of people that I think the Thais view as model 'farangs'.

The best solution would be for them to close down both sites and deport them both as "undesireables"

Derukugi says:

Well, looks like at last the Galt has hit proverbial fan.
A sex-tour guide and porn vendor with a grudge... can`t really say I am surprised.

Great investigation, Dave!

faatm says:

Shane , although Galts actions towards Stick are deplorable and his mental stability highly questionable , to say " rumour has it he has marketed underage flesh" , is one very very different thing altogether.
This is an extremely disturbing accusation indeed , and one which now that you have said it must be substantiated or shut the fuck up.
To be a moron is one thing, but to be a paedophile is something else.You should now supply the proof and then by all means burn the fucker at the stake.I'll even strike the match.

HKexpat says:

Had a look at themantour.com and I have to say that as, open minded as I am, that’s one sleazy site. It’s odd, though, that Galt accuses Stickman of being misleading when if you look at page four of the photo gallery, you’ll see many shots that obviously weren’t taken by tour members. One of the models isn’t even Thai but a Japanese AV model. Others were taken by the great and famous Shrimp, who may or may not have been paid by themantour for using his work.

I’m not pointing this out because I’m a fan of Stickman (I’m not), but because Galt’s attempts to get Stick taken down are really vile.

The lawyer says:

This is like the kettle calling the pot black.

I don't particulary care for Stickman but what does this Keith Summers guy really want here? Does he seriously believe he can go on some crusade to dictate to his fellow men what we can and cannot read!

I bet his next comment will be that the real motive was that he wanted to run in the US elections in a couple of years as he heard that a post for the next Dictator was opening up. Maybe there will be an opening for him in Iran or Iraq too.

When will this guy stop and who is he to dictate that the Internet is to be policed. Isn't it bad enough with the USA and the UN fighting over who gets control of the Internet without the Great Galt sticking his oar in as well.

For me, getting rid of the likes of Stickman, Keith Summers and all of the other sorry arsed donkies who pick Thailand as their home to covort in cannot happen soon enough.

It was bad enough when Karr had his 15 minutes of self proclaimed fame without these two now dragging the foreign community down with it as well... get them both out and let all who sail with them out 'now' as well is what I say before they do some real damage.

Dont like twerps says:

keithinasia is an alias I see he uses. Google that one.

Roberto E. Lee says:

In case Keith tried to denies that those are his photos from themantour.com, I'd like to point out a tiny little detail.
In the first, look closely. That's not a Heineken...it's a coke. Coke?! As in:
"If that guy is trim, in his 40's, a non-smoker, and is drinking a coke when everyone else is drinking a beer, you might be just looking at The Galt."
From thine own self be damned.

But Galt, let's examine your body dysmorphia: trim? Leallllyyy? Wewy inelesting. Let's delve deeper:
"They are social misfits and people that come here because the can't get along with normal people in the west."
Allow me to juxtapose that against your other statements:
"I was way behind the national average for getting laid and I had some serious life-adjustments to master before I could rectify that condition."
Meh? Looks like we've got quite the unauthorized biography being pieced together (Dicer and the other filmies, take note por favor)
Another piece fits in place:
"Little did I know at that time that a little raunchy office banter would lead me to investigate Thailand."
2 more pieces for your consideration:
"Fast forward 20 years. The party ran out, I went back to college, later started working "the grind"..... 10 years on the professional scene." and "2001, bring me to Thailand and - the focus of this column."

So let's review: Summers, in 86, goes through personal crisis. Possibly alcoholism (whom else have you ever heard so enthused about his Coke-drinking habits?) Eventually he hears about the sexpats of southeast asia from a buddy at work and decides he'd like to join the fold.
He sleeps with 2 girls, effectively doubling the number of women he's slept with (see photographic evidence above). He's shocked. He starts vacationing regularly to LoS and barfining everthing with 2 (or more) legs.
I would imagine, like most of his ilk, he falls for one. One that promises she loves him, that she'll stop being a bar girl. And who, oh who, do you think the Big ole' Summers contacts to make sure that she's keeping her word? You guessed it. And then begins the beginning of the vendetta against Sticks. In the mean time, Summers' ego balloons. He's beaten alcohol, he's beaten his born again virginity. Now all he has to do is beat his physique (ooh, there's the dysmorphia predicted) and, last but not least, his own persona of palor and powerlessness. And here we are, in medias res, at the height of the conflict. Who can plan the denouement?

Dana says:

"Who can plan the denouement?"

Quick, grab the proverbial beach chairs. The twin tsunami waves of Dicer and Tanai Kwai are coming.

fuck u stick says:

I am glad stick is getting what he deserves I submitted a piece that he allowed to be ridiculed for no reason and when I tried to defend myself he wouldn’t allow. Then I asked him to remove it and he ignored me. People take time and effort to write those pieces just to be shot down for no reason. Well as they say when the grass is cut the snakes will show. I hope his stupid ass site says down forever if not I am going to find him and pay some Thai guys 1000 dollars a piece to kick his ass.

Khon Tamada says:

-Grabs a bucket of popcorn and waits for the next thrilling installment-

A drowning man usually claws at whatever is around him. I suspect we haven't seen the last from the Galtmeister.

Thaihome says:

Pattaya Peter says:
“At least chapman had enough style to be obsessed with "The Catcher in the Rye," which is probably one more book than Keith Summers has read.
I was wondering where the nickname "galt" came from, thinking perhaps it was given to him by a bar girl
…”

Makes me wonder how many books you have read. Certainly none by Ayn Rand. Probably should do a google before you stick your foot in.

David,
Not a bad analysis of the situation. Did you give Galt a chance to respond before you published it?
TH

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Hi TH

No I didn't but I'm sure he'll be dropping by soon to air his views.

Regards
David

sniffer says:

Another (mis)quote if I may, this time from Oscar Wilde. Watching Galt going after the Kiwi dullard is surely the unspeakable in pursuit of the unedifying

Carrie says:

Boo hoo hoo. So you had a submission which was ridiculed, now you act like galt. Dry yer eyes little man, I cannot stand whiny men. Grow a fucking spine for god's sake. What submission was it? Were you the hip hopper?

John says:

so where's the stick pic?

Fun Times says:

Both of those jokers... stick and notstick need to get some content on their websites, or they will loose all their readers. Sticks website is down again for the second time in 2 weeks, and Notstick only posts once a week (he needs to finally get those "potentially coming soon" posts up too. He's had that message up for like a month now).

David, I'm just curious about something. Why did you allow the Summers/Galt pictures to be displayed on your site? I thought your grudge was with Stickman. I read an article in your archives, from back in like 2004, where Stickman refused to promote MS on his site (you seemed pretty pissed about that, at the time). What did Galt do to you that was so bad? I'm a little surprised that you exposed him. Even Galt didn't go so far to post Stickmans pics....

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Hi Fun Times

I don't bear a grudge towards anyone. The Galt/Stickman spat is simply an interesting story.

Keith Summers posted compromising photographs of himself on the Internet long before I ever became involved.

Regards
David

Grunt says:

What good can come from two Farangs making fools of themselves?

All thats left is for both to turn and attack MangoSauce!

Then David will unleash dicer upon all!

And there was much rejoicing...

P.S. Why is it when I keep a low profile, dicer is nowhere to be seen? Let your alter ego out of the cage more often, eh Dave.

max says:

Why is Stickman now off-line again ?

Dean Barrett says:

Lordy, Lordy, I enter the circus. First, "Jesse Ventura" says I am probably hanging out with Stickman and the gang on Friday nights at Gullivers on soi 5. Nope, never hung out with Stickman on any soi. Ever. Run into him maybe twice a year, usually at the Londoner (on Wednesday when drinks are 2 for 1 all night) and wave a hello. I reserve Friday nights for mentally undressing the Beefeater girl at the Londoner and then moseying on down to Demonia to do penance for my previous week's activities. OK? So put your fears to rest. Now "an insider" says if you go to NanaPlaza.com, you can find the whole gang, me, Stick, etc., pissing about the world, etc. NanaPlaza is a fun site but the only problem with that accusation is that I haven't been to NanaPlaza.com for about a year or at least several months because I am too busy mentally undressing women in various pubs, restaurants, Au Bon Pains, Starbucks, Black Canyons and 7/11's. So, no, I am not hanging about with Stickman in Gulliver's soi 5 in real life or on any website. OK? Now for "notDeanBarrettThailand" or whatever I am not the missionary you are thinking of. You are confusing me with Father T, an eccentric, extremely devout, self-proclaimed man of the cloth who blesses everyone at the beginning of go go dance contests. OK? Everybody happy now? Everything all cleared up? Good. In that case, I return you to your regularly scheduled program: This is Your Life: Keith Summers.

Codejunkie says:

So there are some people that want to take this dossier to the Thai media and the Thai authorities. ARE YOU NUTS??? And you're supposed to be concerned for all? This thing needs to be dealt with quietly or every expat in Thailand will pay the price. We need another Karr incident like a hole in the head. Weren't there some individuals with 'influence' and 'power' on this very same forum? Now's the time to put your money where your mouth is. Pattaya? Balcony?

Jim in Japan. says:

"Boo hoo hoo. So you had a submission which was ridiculed, now you act like galt".
Ha,ha!Yer,so true Carrie.My words too.The poor little pussy who uses the very brave nom de plume of "fuck u stick" should at least tell us all what submission it was? But this is eerie.Perhaps "fuck u Stick" is really Galt/Summers?Come on,be a man and grow up! Here`s the link to the Foreign Legion which might help sort you out. http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

Fun Times says:

Carrie:
Back off the guy some. He's not the only person to get pissed off about that either. Stickman encourages his readers to write submissions for his website. It's kind of fucked up when he turns around and shits on them afterwards.

LegionSoldier says:

Hahahaha, Thats a funny nome de plume "fuk u stick". He sounds much more like Dana when he shagged that Ladyboy up the Ass. Stick rediculed him as pervert for the whole World to see.

raoul says:

David

In this whole mess you have shown a great deal of courage in allowing both sides time. While I don't agree with the methods John Galt used it is important that someone give both sides a voice, as you have.

Whos Your Daddy

If Stick has a problem it is only fair that you should as well as you enjoyed tremendous “benefits” from the Stick page.

Apparently all the staff at Chula and many other schools now know about the site that you and Stick ran. Teachers and students from many schools as well as your coworkers are looking at links to many different sites- including this one.

If Stick had one percent of the knowledge of Thai culture he thought he had he could have gotten out of this without a single problem by merely leaving the site down for a few weeks. In putting the site back up Stick really stuck it to you.....

Being a whore monger is OK and being a fundamentalist Christian is OK. But you can't be both at the same time and you have to make a decision at some point. By trying to do both you are putting other people in the position of deciding for you. Quoting scripture will not work this time and no matter how many Bible passages you have memorized you are not fit to be around children in a school setting.

You deny going out drinking with Stick but the truth is quite different. I guess it may depend on what the definition of going “out drinking” is. My definition is that it often involves alcohol and paid sex with prostitutes at least in the bars you and Stickman frequent – the kind with nudity, dancing, pretty women, etc. You know, Friday and Saturday night when you don't have to deal with your students the next day.

In your case the only question is whether or not you had beer or nam soda.

Whos Your Daddy, you really need to make a decision very quickly as you were so closely involved in the Stick site for so long. If you confess your sins no later than tonight on this board we can consider the matter closed provided you are able to give up paying prostitutes for the duration of your stay in Thailand. If you are not able to do this today the next step is less pleasant for you.

To give you a hint it will involve evidence of your sexual exploits and most certainly result in your needing to find another country from which you can continue your “deeply religious teacher by day whoremonger by night” facade.

Just in case you did not realize, when Stickman ends up with a large tax bill from the bar girl investigation scam you should share that bill as you benefited about equally from this.

Your call, hypocrite!!

TatooedBiker says:

Yeah! LegionSoldier, "when the grass is cut the snakes will show"....

That sounds uncannily like Dana buddy!

Derukugi says:

John and others:
I don`t understand why you keep naming the two protagonists in one breath. Don`t you see the differenc?
Stick did not attack anyone; Summers/Galt made it his business to stalk Stick.
I don`t get this "blame the victim" mentality. Summers stepped over the line, not Stick.

Foxy says:

Did anyone notice the 'girl' with Keith in that photo?

Check out the mantour site and you'll see a larger image of 'her' with another katoy.

So Keith - why not just come out of the closet since you so desperately want everyone to know you?

notstickfan says:

Been watching this space for awhile so I’ll add my impressions. There is a link to photos allegedly of JG. Why do you believe these to be JG? Is there any posted evidence that it’s him in the photos? Does anyone believe JG is a real name and not an alias? Like many people, I’ve enjoyed Stick’s site for a few years. I sent him a few submissions that I wished to have removed and he refused. His reasoning was that they were “popular” and he then brushed me off. I’m not going to bother calling JG names. I empathize with the parents of his students. I wouldn’t want Stick teaching my children because after my little incident with him refusing to remove my submissions, I think he has bad character. I also requested the submissions be anonymous and for a few days, my name was on the submission until I caught it. I have many friends, family, and colleagues reading Stick’s site and it was a tense week as I felt outed and a few people asked if the writer was me which I had to lie and deny. I wasn’t happy with Stick’s blunder but we all make mistakes. By now, I’m convinced Stick’s school has been spammed with email from readers of Mango and JG so I’m curious if any action will be taken. I’ve read JG site in depth and the identity of Stick is [Name removed]. I don’t have the link to his school handy but his photo appears. Thank you for publishing my views.

Derukugi says:

Notstickfan:
You can find Keith Summer`s pictures on Ebay (look for AsianSignals) and compare those those to the pictures on the mantour site.
That should answer your question.

bob says:

why keep removing sticks real name when most of us know it anyway, while allowing galts real name to be continuously printed????????

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Bob - The consensus is that Summers shouldn't have "outed" Stickman. It would also be wrong for me to do so - David

marklatham says:

HEy Stickman-YoU wouldn"t meat wif me either,A fE@low ocklander-IaX not A stal:ker OK.
YOO arse a disGRce.

Liu Bei says:

A stickman reader wrote: "I hope his stupid ass site says down forever if not I am going to find him and pay some Thai guys 1000 dollars a piece to kick his ass."

Dear penpal,

If it costs you thousand dollars to hire thai guys to kick someone's ass, you're getting ripped off and you're a moron.

Have a nice day.

"Onward keyboard warriors, marching as to war..."

Who knew sex tourists were such a thin-skinned lot?

TPE says:

Whilst well known that I am a friend of Sticks, I feel I can also pass an impartial comment :
Any site with what is by and large correct/useful information on Thailand is obviously helpful to those people who are not frequent visitors ; I just wish sites such as this, and stickmans, had been running 20 years ago when I first ventured to LOS, - it would have saved me alot of time and money, I had to learn the hard way, and the only weekly update of nightlife events was the Trink page.
Certainly, after a time, and this may be hard for those who have only spent holidays, or a few years in the Kingdom, to believe, but sitting in Go-Go bars, getting drunk daily, having dozens of numbers of cute young TGs on your mobile etc, can in fact become a little boring - likewise when Stick puts out a weekly column, there are times, after 10 odd years, you are going to repeat yourself, or perhaps not always attain the original standard ; BUT, think of the 1000's of people who have gratefully taken some of his advice over the years - as they did Trinks, and I guess I can say, did people from me.
Mr Summers is certainly free to continue his site, to promote it, whatever, - and perhaps he will also pass on worthwhile info at times, but to have any credibility, he needs to do it under his own banner -
As to the stick knockers, - well, you have an additional site [ for how long ? ] to use instead.
Lets not forget, that by and large, the regular LOS male visitor is not your humble, quiet, reserved, monogomous 9-5 worker, - I believe most are hedonistic, I certainly was when I arrived ! When you put yourself in the public eye, offer to help this type of person, for sure, you are going to fail at times, and to upset others,but I believe that Stick, and that I can honestly say myself, when I began the company in the mid 90's that still runs today, DID OUR BEST. -

Hopeless romantic says:

The only one with any talent is Mango Sauce, both Stick and Notstick should be absorbed into Mango Sauce under the 'Just for kids' section...

Liu Bei says:

Where is Dicer? I need a fix. perhaps Dicer can drop some clues as to which book? Fiction or nonfiction? recent or not?

I need some entertainment dammit and sex tourists are boring when they're not making death threats toward each other.

Prediction: Liu Bei's fawning rebuked by Dicer. Liu Bei, bitter and shallow, stalks dicer and exposes the lurid details of Dicer's personal life. Dicer's sycophants threaten to kill Liu Bei and otherwise inconvenience him.

Liu Bei begs to have his picture published on MS, especially the cool one with the Hard Rock Cafe T-shirt and the one with the ladyboy.

Rebuked by David as well, Liu Bei, bitter and shallow, starts www.notmangosauce.com. Before the sight gets off the ground, a Peter Greenaway fan offs Liu Bei for his lukewarm comments on Mr. Greenaways work.

The envelope Liu Bei left with his only friend (see ladyboy photo) finds its way to the Thai media and Thai authorities. Visa laws tighten, sexpats are expelled from Thailand, the serviced apartment market crashes, and as a result of which the Thai economy crashes, and everyone lives happily ever after. The end.

Geoff says:

Come on David,

It has been mentioned a few times and you have brushed it off, but you are clearly protecting Stick and hanging Galt out out dry. You have passed the blame off onto Galt himself for the outing of his name and pics but certainly Stick, running a semi-seedy website for the past 5 or 6 years is not exactly Mr. Discreet. If one wants to remain anonymous, such an endevour ain't the way to do it.
Now I fully support the 'David's Website, David's rules' attitude you have but at least be honest and don't try to convince us that you are allowing the posts to be fair and unbiased.

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Geoff - Contributors can (and do) say anything they like about Stickman so long as it's not libellous. For the record, I deleted just one comment today and removed Stickman's real name from another - David

Rick H. says:

For the life of me I can't fathom why this topic drums up such passionate (or so many) comments. It's kinda creepy.

blaa says:

so when does notMangosauce.com come out??

Geoff says:

David,

If you have removed his real name (and I recall, references to his school) then clearly contributors CANNOT say anything (non libelous) they like. Unless, Sticks actual name is some form of libel in and of itself.....

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Geoff

I'm not going to repeat myself. Cast your eye up the page and you'll see that I've explained my position already.

You, however, have been a little less than candid with me. Your website reveals that you are a friend of Keith Summers.

But I could have guessed that...

Regards
David

tracy says:

The Galt/Stickman skirmish recalls the time when MS was targetted by self appointed web vigilantes, threatening all sorts of retribution. (Were they called "What is the Shape" or something?)

Wombat says:

I tried to reason with him but he wouldn't be swayed. Completely obsessed & self righteous. If there is evidence of Summers, or anyone else for that matter, molesting children then it should be given to the authorities immediately. Not used as leveridge. Summers hypocrisy is breathtaking. His next rant should be interesting.

man with no name says:

Why can't people let this thing rest. The galt is just a big attention seeker, with a possible mental disorder. Jeez it's so creepy! the longer it drags on the more attention he gets, the more he loves it! Plus it's old news now.

Dicer says:

Now that Dana has chained himself to a deckchair (he's seen too many of those films I'm sure.)...

Living up to Chapman and Dean Barrett's protestations are quite funny.

All of which goes to show that geezer existence in slimeland in first stages is a mental dismissal...going asocial. Like the geezer I saw in the Samui hotel lobby whose self concept is he's feisty; he walks around the hotel in his y-fronts, even chats up the staff in the lobby. Dementia can creep up like bad underwear. Some guide books say Thailand is the eccentric zone and you can be as weird as you want. Which is fairly true.... Galt's idea of eccentric is lame though. Locals expect you to be raving mad. The closer you are to looking demented (like the BKK go-go girls targeting the mentally ill) the more amused they seem to be. Just like crossing the Mexican border, they more stupid you seem the more they like it and the more you fit their profile of a real gringo. Anyway geezer in underwear said he's a newspaper reporter and a novelist. Oh Boy!

"perhaps Dicer can drop some clues as to which book? Fiction or nonfiction? recent or not? " - Lui Bei

I can think of Cervantes.

If you mix dementia with the personality thing of being eccentric with some geezers (like an awful lot of people here), they have a problem because they will easily dismiss weird behaviour or laugh it off. I think Stickman should send Galt Don Quixote. Suddenly he (like some of us) will realise Don Quixote is dedicated to a guy going through these early stages. In a few rare moments he comes back to reality and there are sad moments. In book II however reality turns out to be nearly as weird as Don Quixote. This is the book Galt should buy for Stickman. Cervantes wrote book I and made a fortune. 18 years later a pseudo book 2 came out to set the record right. He put in all the variations of the modern novel. For example, right in the beginning of book II Don Quixote and Sancho go to an inn where people have read about them in book I...Unamuno (David perhaps can take the role?) picked this up and did several novels fooling around with reality later. Which is exactly what's going on.

The elephant guy in Chiang Mai: This fellow said he felt sorry for elephants, went to bkk to buy sick old street elephants and then for some odd reason forced them to walk all the way from bkk to cm to an elephant camp. Well... you know Saxons in low blood sugar denial. This was the underwear man's "pal" by the way. Trying to figure out topics for his mate..sure. So you wonder what the point is? People who want to write their autobiography and publish it for the family albeit they just don't have a background to work on excepting stuff that crossed their path 20 years ago, like Galt's finger story. I look at them and can’t help raving about Borat and misfits.

Tens of thousands of misfits and some pretending to be Jack London?

"For the life of me I can't fathom why this topic drums up such passionate (or so many) comments. It's kinda creepy. - " Rick H.

Maybe the geezers in underwear, Galt, Stick, the man in the bar, the hecklers here are the same as bkk aisle girls being territorial? Bkk prostitutes used to come out at 6pm to a mates apartment lobby and would run people off they didn't like. They took over. After all, the lobby was theirs as soon as the Chinese manager went home. They staked out those sofas. Once they called three Nigerian ladies f****n n*****s after they came in asking for a place and having been told there weren't any stepped out, but were still in earshot distance. Nice girls. So you start to wonder about this, even locals telling you stories about being knocked over by aisle girls, an obvious territoriality. They tried this on Attila, but I sent a few reeling into the cans. A version of this is the cashiers deciding upon whom to wait at US malls. You or not you. Is this territory or power? In the US if you touch a person it is simple assault so you won't find clerks running into you. If they do, you can beat them up on the spot or go postal with a gun. In Thailand is this primal territory stuff right out of Dog Whisper a peasant thing or what? Do feelers and listeners get more into territory than visual people? It's like China demanding Taiwan, doesn't make any sense, but in dog psychology terms, it's a big deal. So part of the neutering can just be idealised thinking that distances one from animal stuff. You end up here with rampaging Chihuahuas who take you for a Great Dane...woof woof...they love running you out and resort to lack of respect as their main weapon. And then you have the Great Danes go psycho... unable to nip back at the Chihuahuas turn on each other. From his language and website it's obvious that Stickman is an unredeemable auditory and Galt is the classic feeler who is gone gone gone.... and both have no visual sense or critical faculties at all.... just look at their words.

So the question really is: where do these misfit goofballs belong?

If you go into the Shan Burmese jungle and meet the Wa they can in all likelihood greet you with a round of AK or poisoned arrows. Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Thais chucked all these goofballs in biblical sandals into Shan and let the Wa take care of them. Can you imagine any of these guys writing blogs from Waland. stickmanwa.com galtwalanded.com etc... You enter the forest and the road forks... one says WADDLERS THIS WAY..... and the other one doesn’t have a sign.

And the mutants?

For the aisle girls and hookers as well as other mutants you could even speculate in animal territory terms that colonisation backed up some packs into reconsidering their offensive strategies. For instance, the Burmese poodles got stomped by the Brit spaniels. With territory overrun, there is a period of retrospection, not about culture, but about an analysis that leads to a certain kind of realisation. Of course today the Burma government is still doing the Phibun thing the Bushido Japs started seventy years ago, but Burmese don't have that chip on their shoulders. Whereas in slimeland it's different. Sneers are spears.

There we are sandwiched between retardomutants and various species of psychoalbinos doing survival of the luckiest. Well...a jaded and sullen Kiwi Marlowe wannabe and an awful yank (an appliance salesman no less) trying to make satiric jabs are not really reps of the wider audience, but the hecklers in distress here obviously are.

mad_dog says:

Bring back Trink. If you want your naughty nightlife info from a piece of societal vomit Sickman and Galt are amateurs.

ChangMaiKelly says:

Im sorry but I really must point out that this guy 'notstickfan' sounds like such a contriving farcical leper that I dont believe any of his shit. He's probably the same person as 'fuk u stik' in desguise. Think about it. Whate the fuck kind of complaint is this:

"I’ve read JG site in depth and the identity of Stick is [Name removed]. I don’t have the link to his school handy but his photo appears"

Well, if someone really wanted retribution, would he really try to reveal Stick's name on MS? And would anyone drop his name and then not reveal the link to his school? What a pathetic effort at falsifying a false 'enemy'

Is that you again Dana?

Jesse Venturer says:

to dean barrett:

you are so full of sh#t, it is sliding down your pant legs.

if I catch you ever on the street, I'll do my famous wwf move on you, and teach you not to lie.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard

Galt 9.5 Stick 7.5

Andy says:

Ugh. Oily little twerp isn't he?

canipsi says:

mr KoolKing,
im not real sure that anyone here is interested in your scorecard. you must have posted it at least a ½ dozen times(i may be wrong) and everyone has ignored it yet you continue to post about it.
it seems as though there are few people here who are truly impartial so maybe its best to wait for the final outcome.

John Galt says:

Whoops! Stickman has stepped into some deep shit with folks in the naught night life industry. Tell him to expect a phone call from someone he knows.

NotLiuBei says:

Jesse Venturer: " to dean barrett: you are so full of sh#t, it is sliding down your pant legs. if I catch you ever on the street, I'll do my famous wwf move on you, and teach you not to lie."

Famous WWF move? Oh really? You're Jesse VENTURA then? Either your move ain't that famous or you're imitating a former pro wrestler whose name you can't even spell? Please continue with the lecture in honesty you're obviously an expert. And no I am not supporting Dean Barrett, I'm just laughing at YOU, keyboard warrior.

I shall now sit back and eagerly await death threats from Royce Gracie, or at least Royse Graysey.

"Onward Keyboard Warriors, marching as to war..."

Mike says:

This Galt is a petty loser! If you dont like Stickman, then dont read it. Its like people who enjoy being aggrevated and complaining all the time. I am going to thailand and read maybe 20% of stickmans site and when i went back to read more its gone.

Pattaya Peter says:

Thaihome:

That's clever! Of course Keith Summers is a genius! Anyone who needs an actual tour guide to get laid in thailand is probably next in line for nobel prize in literature.

Here's a better idea... google yourself a fucking sense of humor.

Common Sense says:

So to sum this situation up Stick pissed off Galt (and half the expat websurfers over the years) so Galt seeks revenge. Galt achieved his goal and a bit extra. Now all of Sticks fans wish death upon Galt the same as many others have wished death upon Stick for a few years. Now Mango Sauce has provided a forum for everyone to express their hatred for whichever side they choose and the big bad internet bullies make their worthless threats. Theres a T-Shirt in Thailand that describes this whole mess.

Same Same-But Different

I've glanced over both their sites for about 5 minutes each and I wish I could get back that lost 10 minutes off my life. Their both no talent hacks with shit sites and a questionable business practices from what I gather.

My only concern is Mango Sauces role in this fiasco. This is a hilarious, entertaining, and informative site. I'd hate to see any fallback come this way but I think you may be setting yourself up for it David. You've allowed Galts true name to be posted on your site even after many Stick supporters expressed threats. Then went an extra step and posted 3 pics of him. I can't recall you ever posting more than 1 pic per article. You then refuse to post Sticks true name or a photo even though these are also available on the net. You've always done a fantastic job of moderating this forum by posting true info, being fair, and respecting all views. While I agree Galt crossed the line it should be up to Stick to defend himself on his own site and handle the dirty work of posting names and pics. Keeping us informed of the situation is one thing but I would say this has gone a bit far. I'd hate to see any fallback come to this site if the Thai authorities get involved after one of these idiots on here send in information about this fiasco or worse and one of them actually harms Galt. God only knows if the pricks will start blocking sexpat websites.

KoolKing says:

canipsi......

I've been steadily watching the Anna Nicole Smith C-Section saga birth extravaganza that's been on television here constantly for the past two weeks. So, yes, this scorecard does have relevance, at least to me. In fact, I'm updating it now:

Scorecard

Galt 10 Stick 7.5

Galt gets a half point for posting here.

Nasty nick says:

Common sense says it all.

If one of these two go down they will both fall and could take many others with them.

David you have not been fair moderator in this.

You should tread the middle ground both of them are grown men with their own site for posting what they wanted.

You post one set of pics and not the other.

At least Galt is not testicularly challenged which gets my vote.

Nick

onewaymirror says:

The picture of Keith Summers on the sex tour makes my blood run cold. Kieth Summers is a weird little freak, almost certain to be dateless in the USA because he doesnt even come close to being the physical type that chics dig in the states. small. wormy. receeding. He is so similar to John Karr it is scary. wow. Mangosauce really hit the jackpot with this expose ! when you see Summers picture, his ravings suddenly add up to what he is : a maladusted FREAK.
Now, I wish Mangosauce would be fair and put up Stickmans pic and name as well.

soi honey says:

what good for the goose is good for the gander
how can you not put sticks detials up too thats not deformation
i think you should be even handed you run with the story gave it credence so you should cowboy up as we say done the soi
or is it the old mates act
if so thats ok to back your mates up but not ethical you should say that the real reason

Derukugi says:

Nick, OnewayMirror and others:

I hate sounding like a broken record, but there is "fairness" in this situation.
Galt is stalking Stick, not the other way around. Nothing mutual here, so it is unreasonable to ask David to introduce "fairness" by treating two sides equally.

Is John Lennon the same as Chapman? If some stalker followed YOU, do you think YOU should be treated just as the stalker?

Please, get some perspective. There is difference between the perp and his victim.

John Galt says:

David,

Are you going to cut me in on the future profits of all the web traffic you're generating? OR, are you going to ask me for a cut of all the hit's I've gotten from you? People are going to think we are working together.

You know, I still like the Muay Thai boxing idea. But Stickman isn't allowed to sell tickets!

I'm serious. When this all blows over, I'm up for it. A little grudge exhibition match at the beer bar next to walking street would be crowd pleaser. Plenty of room there for friends (and enemies).

Besides, you know I like fame. I may be getting another 15 minutes at the boxing ring.

the truth says:

the stick has victimized many people with his commentaries. so, don't go talking as if he is an angel.

actually, I find it entertaining to see the stick getting a taste of his own.

nevertheless, if you want to know who the stick is, galt said he would expose the guy next week. just be patient, and all will be revealed.

it is true what they say, "what comes around, goes around."

jesse venturer says:

hey mike, if you don't like what they are saying on this string, don't read it. do like you yourself recommended, don't continue reading this string.

personally, I like to see a pic of the stick, and know what his real name is.

Mr Lucky says:

The slow-motion car wreck just keeps going. I've got a pain in the neck from gawking at it. But you know what? I was on my way somewhere when I came upon this tragi-comedy. Now I got places to be. Take my foot off the brake and hit the gas. I'm outta here.

Pants Elk says:

I've spent the last quarter of an hour trying to care about any of this.

That's fifteen minutes when I could have had a wank and a beer.

My bad.

Off The Wall says:

Anyone notice that once "John Galt" makes a post that about 4-5 other "Stick haters" make posts too? Does the guy have imaginary friends?

Stick has "stepped in it" with the naughty night life folks? Implied threat? Doesn't surprise me. Hey Cunt, yep that's you Mrs. Summers. Ever see one of those movies where a guy on horseback with a six shooter is staring down a mob armed with six shooters and then aims at the head guy and says: "you can take me out for sure, but my first bullet is gonna go right between your eyes.." Think about it. Let me know if you need help.

More for the little cunt: Muay Thai? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH Thank you, making me laugh was the first positive thing you've done on the web.

Yes.. Keith Summers does resemble Karr quite a bit doesn't he? Do you think peds share the same genes? Scary thought. And another astute observation from the guy who says with the cunts looks he could never get a girl in the states.. especially with that controlling "me me me" personality.

To the "I hate Stick" fans and the "lets be fair by posting both sets of pictures" people.. Let's try to remember that Stick was minding his own business and was 'attacked' by the cunt. He is the victim, the cunt the bad guy. Perspective folks, always a valuable skill.

More perspective: This entire thing only hurts all farang, past present and future. Who instigated this entire mess? Yes, the cunt. Do all farang a great service and don't visit the cunts site again and he'll go away. Yes I know, you get curious. Me too. But is it worth it? This is your chance to take a moral stand.

Stick? Put your site back up. The cunt is fading fast and from what I understand will be 'tied up' soon enough in legal matters. Anyone want to volunteer to bring the cunt his Propescia while in prison? Btw - I look forward to meeting you soon.

Dicer? Gawd man, where does that stuff come from? You're like Dana on speed.. but cogent. Sorry Dana, you know we love you and belong to your church and all, but you are one warped dude..

David? I'll hand it to you, you've got some people skills and you are as fair as they come. I too question providing a forum for shit slinging, but how could you pass this up?

This all reminds me of that old saying "if you don't have something nice to say...." Keith, you made yourself the perfect example. And please stop lying. Does your mom or wife know you lie so much? Think of their feelings. I suspect that when you are not trying to "get even" with your imaginary enemies that you're probably a nice guy. Let's see some more of that side of you ok?

To my fellow partners in crime, thank you for the assists. Shane? You're one scary dude. Wide open places? HAHAHAHA we all 'came from' some wide open places.....;o)

I miss banana ice cream...

Jack Wow says:

All this crap about what's good enough for the goose. What bollocks! Galt wanted to play games about outing Stick. Only obsessed wierdos like himself - the truth, jesse venturer and the others here short on a life - gave a shit about what Stick looks like, where he works etc.

David's been spot on by respecting Stick's privacy and this piece was perfect timing - a few days before Summers may fulfill his threat to show Stick's pic, and also come clean about who he really is.

It's starting to feel like this soap opera's going to come to an end soon. What a shame, it's been quite riveting. But the bad guy always gets it in the end.

Boswell says:

So, if a girl is raped or a person is murdered should we also show pictures of them? Galt is the 'rapist' the ' murderer, he deserves all the negative feedback he is getting. I guess he is sitting, shit scared, up in Nakon Nowhere waiting for a knock on the door...Enjoy it Summers. From a friend of your family.

bob says:

ah confirmation of our worst fears that Galt is an outright loony .
watch your backs everybody ,who's gonna be next on his hitlist ?

John Galt says:

Next on my hit list? How many illegal enterprises are there out there? And out of all of those, how many of you are screwing around with public opinion to hurt one of my friend's businesses?

If you answer those questions, then you'll know where I stand. David, how about we show one of your pictures?

Hell, why don't we all just meet up a Gulliver's for a group shot, publish it, and get this over with?

Benny the Pen says:

Stickmanlovers!
It's time to face the facts - the Stickman site will never be the same again. Obviously he has removed all the "objectionable" content to keep his teaching job. Good move by him I think - why give up a steady job among Bangkok's respectable people (now that he has a middle-class Thai wife as well) in favour of being a publicist for sex-hungry Farangs??? Surely, the guy knows where his future lies. Good on him!!! And good luck to him and his family.
Stickman lovers - get used to fidning other sources of information on Thai nightlife because the Stick is no more . . .

Off The Wall says:

Dear Mrs. Summers:

My gosh freaky cunt, you can't be serious? Let's examine your last post:

"Next on my hit list? How many illegal enterprises are there out there? And out of all of those, how many of you are screwing around with public opinion to hurt one of my friend's businesses?"

Ummm.. zillions? How about every street vendor out there? Every massage place? Bars where they dance topless or nude or know the women who work there are prostituting themselves? Every website? Do you think they all report 100% of their income and pay taxes on it? You've got to be kidding????????? Delusional at best..

Who cares if one of these illegal businesses is Stick's site or your friends bar?

And cunt face, why can't your friend stand up for himself if he's got a problem with Stick? Are you his 'bitch' or something? If the guy can't handle his own problems he'd have to be very hard up to need your help.

"If you answer those questions, then you'll know where I stand."

You stand for nothing. Wait, not true. You're a poster boy for PervsRus, a shining example of what not to be or not to do if you want to make friends and stay in Thailand.

" David, how about we show one of your pictures?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH You're proving me right once again when I first said it was only a matter of time before the perv 'bitch' turned on someone else. NEWSFLASH.. da da da dit dit dit..incomeing reads: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT ANYONE LOOKS LIKE, though it was pretty funny to see your picture and then read how you described yourself. Fucking delusional I tell you!

Don't you realise how dangerous you are becoming to those in the naughty nightlife industry? Can you spell "KEITH SUMMERS IS A FUCKING HUGE LIABILITY WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO SHUT HIS CUNT FACE MOUTH????"

"Hell, why don't we all just meet up a Gulliver's for a group shot, publish it, and get this over with?"

Delusional again. First, what makes you think ANYONE wants to drink with you? Hell, they're afraid to stand next to you in case a shooter(s) on the motorbike(s) drives by with guns O'blazing.

One more thing. You were very stupid to not take the advice you were recently given. Stand by for a major events..

What a fucking moron..

myworldbkk says:

First an introduction:
I an Aussie in Bangkok, living and working in Thailand for 8 years, and no, never have I worked as an English teacher. But what I do here is no body's business other than mine, but I do okay and I live in Thailand by choice and enjoy the many benefits of living here. Yes, I have a work permit and all my income comes from overseas customers... no, not an eBay business like the great ego, but all you sluths can knock yourselves out to find out if that is what gives you your jollies.

I post this now because I can see that all you guys are going to totally wreck it all for all of us. We are all joined by the fact that we are foreigners living here by the grace of the Thai authorities and the Thai people. This in mind, it is time to stop this crazy madness.
David, David, David,
For goodness stop this madness now! Close this thread NOW, and stop any further involvement in this ridiculous game being played out where you are being also played for a sucker in galt's master plan for his own glorification. You have become no better than galt by now gaining web mileage from the whole crazy debate. Galt set about to fast track notoriety by bashing a successful webmaster in Thailand and profit by the ensuing debate. His middle finger strategy still works so well for him. This he has succeeded in doing, and now you are helping him, and profiting personally in the process.
For goodness sake.... STOP NOW.
All this has gone far enough!
Surely all can see what is really going on here. Stickman has been astute enough to stay out of this affair (as much as he is possibly able to) to his absolute credit. I am not a stickman fan but I have been an occasional reader of his site for over 5 years. When I first read his site my thoughts were that I had wished I had the information that he offered when I first came here 8 years ago. It would certainly have changed many of the things that happened to me. If I had only the information on galt's site, then the best that I could hope for would be to become a highly successful sex tourist and, should I have asked for it, with his paid for help no doubt.

Stickman offers only his personal experiences and views. He has always has stated that the views expressed are his own and readers are invited to take them or leave them as they wish. I have no doubt as to his motives for publishing his site. If you have ever read the disclaimers on his site, you would know this. He has been perhaps a little too candid in some of his stories and anecdotes and that is his only failing that I can see. We all have our skeletons in the closet and no readers of this thread can bullshit some high moral standing to disagree. He has built up a very large following without really having that as his goal. It is a hobby, simple as that. What happened, in that he ended up with a large readership, only shows that so many guys could relate easily to his personal experiences and were thankful for the insights that he presented. I am no accountant, but I can guess that any income from the site would be lucky to cover expenses and maybe a couple of beers, but that is about all.

If "The Great Galt" had anything real to offer, then it is perfectly reasonable to start his own website and gather his own readership, just as stickman has done. But NO, he wanted only to fast track his popularity by doing a smear campaign against a popular and relatively high profile, self made, www personality. He was guaranteed to gain some short term success. But now MS is doing exactly the same thing, extracting visitor numbers at the expense of stickman. Can none of you guys do it alone, the way that stickman has done? Do you all need to attack stickman or in other ways to ride on his back to gain some readership? All who criticize that the stickman, or for that matter, the galt, site, for the content...... do you have a website to show as what you class as better, or are you only interested in throwing your mud and sitting back, basically impotent critics with nothing to offer yourselves.

There is no doubt that the great galt has become now a professional sex tourists, and lures patrons with his sexploits among the bargirls of Thailand. Not to mention that he also asks us all to be in awe of the fact that he is able to seduce young, poverty struck, uneducated virgins. And we are to respect this man?? Come on guys, would you really want to be associated with someone whose expertise only lies in that kind of activity, and even promotes it to others as being so readily available in Thailand - under age virgins waiting for your few greenbacks and ready to give their bodies to you? Are you proud of that Mr galt, and are you, Mr reader proud to associate with this individual and support him with your contributions?
In all the time that I have read stickman, and that would be about once a month tops just to catch up on the column and the readers emails, which I find quite entertaining and sometimes informative or amusing, I have never once been induced to think that the stickman site was anything other than what it is purported to be and simply one mans view of life in the land of smiles. Not shy to talk about the naughty night life because, after all, that is simply the reality of the place.
Whether or not galt is a pedophile, which all the evidence on his website would indicate, is of no concern of mine. If readers of this site have the evidence as they are claiming to have, then surely in the best interest of all foreigners in the Kingdom, they have a responsibility to report that to the authorities so that he can be quickly dealt with as an aberration, and avoid all of us from being tarred with the same brush. If foreigners were to report about such activities by a fellow foreigner, then it would show that the majority of us will not condone such activity. If the same scrutiny of stickman were instituted, I am sure that he has nothing to fear, but if he has, then so be it - crucify him too.
But, David, it is not up to you to do it all publicly as you are currently doing. Stop the thread NOW, and refuse to be part of it any more. Sure, it is getting you website traffic, as it is this galt guy, neither of you deserve it. You are both parasites on stickman's success. Let those with an axe to grind do it through the proper channels if they really have something to present or shut up forever, and lets all just quietly get about enjoying life in paradise without this continuous public slur on the image of all of foreigners in the Kingdom.

myworldbkk is what it is, and I am most interested in protecting it.

Aussie in Bangkok

A former friend of Summers says:

Fuck off Keith you complete tosser. You are the laughing stock of the farang community (and those thais in the know). Give it up. You lost face big time. You are finished in Thailand. Go back to Daddy who had to bail you out when you lost your wallet on the bus in Cambodia. Yeah even your friends are turning on you now asshole. You know who I am by reference to the wallet.

Welsh Wizard says:

If you read between the lines and the fact Galt is involved in organising sex tourism holidays (if true), do you think that Galt had approached Stick for advertising space and was rejected because Stick took a moral stance; is this the real reason for the feud? Could well be. I miss the site quite frankly and have to go back actually working during the day instead of finding time to read the submissions. I’m most unimpressed with Galt’s actions. I will miss Dana, Union Hill, and Frank Visaky etc as they are excellent writers as they are able to put across many a plausible tale that has kept me occupied until I return to The Land of Smiles. Maybe we should get the archives from Stick and host them elsewhere so that they can continue to educate the masses.

Kasman says:

I like Galt's idea about the group photo at Gullivers.

Stickman, Galt and Mango all in a group photo. Hold on! The idea light just came on?

How about printing up some tee-shirts with the group photo (Stick, Alt and Mango - The Bangkok 3)?

I have an extra 250 baht this week that I can spare for a premo tee-shirt with 3 of Bangkoks most notorious webmasters.

Get your orders in now for your very own Bangkok 3 Tee Shirt. Maybe we can get the Stickman, Alt and Mango do to a little autograph session afterwards?

Galt, maybe you can expose Stickman and Mango just prior to the tee-shirts sales to ensure maximum profits.

Change my order to (2) please. These are sure to be collectors items.

bush says:

hey david:

why don't we do what john galt is suggesting?

publish all your pictures and get this over with.

..got something to hide?

in my opinion, people as vocal as you guys are don't deserve any privacy. ..especially if you guys like to comment on others so much.

david, did you know that you ruined one of my friends life because of one of your stories?

..because of you, he can't stay in thailand anymore, a##hole.

I know, I know.. of course, you didn't mean to do that. it just happened that way.

..jerk.

---------------

Hi Bush

Why don't you share his story with us?

Or was he involved in some criminal enterprise that you'd rather not talk about?

Regards
David

Half Man Half Goat says:

This whole episode between Stickman and Galt has been thoroughly entertaining. I enjoy watching people air their dirty laundry in public. I know from personal experience that anyone, and everyone, who has lived in Thailand abandons all morals and etiquette when the lure of Siam enters the bloodstream. We are all degenerates that frequent this place. Whatever we do here in LOS, our primary reason for living here is to fuck little brown women for the price of a meal back home. End of. None of us are models; none of us are desirable; none of us are worth shit. Search your conscience and recall all the times that your western upbringing has told you that what you do on a daily basis is wrong: and yet it feels so good. My point is: we are not fit to judge. Yes, we have an opinion but we are the lowest of the low when it comes to the human race.

This whole episode seems like the damned throwing pitchforks at each other in Hell whilst Luciifer (the moderator) looks on gleefully. NB. Not judging you David, just extending the simile.

From what I know of human nature some people (such as Keith Summers) so desperately need attention that any will do. Even the negative. His photos, especially the third in this montage, disturbs me. His face is all scars if you look closely. Perhaps I see my own reflection therein.

Overall, this spat is amusing at best but I would'nt let it spoil my day. Websites come and go as do STD's. But please remember: we are not what we think, rather we are just another shit smudge on a hanky floating in an immense sea of raw sewage. So don't judge. I accept what I am (inna kinda Buddhist way) so the shit sticks and I can't smell it anymore.

Crudski says:

All of you get over it,they're both a set of little lightweight dickheads,ooh i'm gonna do this and he's gonna do that!please lol

Entertain boring morons says:

Is this not the circle jerks forum? I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. Age has no effect on immaturity.

Two lower life forms get together and scheme for attention; mine is bigger no mine is.

If you can get no other job in Thailand there is always English teaching because Thailand is so desperate for English teachers who will work for beer money.

The attraction; poor rice farmer girls victimized by lack of education and opportunity and no shortage of middle aged low life beer sucking deluded delusional Christians to share their triumphs at victimizing these girls again and again.

Who is to care the sign posts in the road pointing direction to despair? Some cur happens along to squat or piss on that directional scum is just a normal event. Remove the sign and have all the low life losers lost in their own ignorance for like mined septic waste.

bangkokram says:

For once I have to agree with Common Sense.

I'm not really bothered who started this load of bollox! The two parties should sort it out themselves on their respective forums.

Mangosauce as taken a side, so fair moderation is out of the window, instead of throwing petrol on this fire, a quick look back to the archieves to see that readers want, GO GO Bar stories, everyday observations and posts from your travels around Thailand.

Let Galt and Stickman sort this out between themselves, Maybe a Muay Thai bout is the best option. I know the traffic to the site is good, but lets get on with everyday life.

-------------

Hi Bangkokram

Maybe you should wait until your own blog welcomes its first visitor before giving me advice about how to attract an audience.

Common Sense made a good point, though.

Regards
David

PS. I sided with John Lennon too.

The lawyer says:

Many will think this post is yet another arm chair / keyboard warrior rattling his sword in his scabbard but I can assure you it is not.

I can confirm that as of this morning, a certain file containing information about a certain two websites and their alledged activities has just been handed to a senior supreme court judge for consideration along with copies to certain Thai authorities here for their review.

In this file, there is a stack of mounting evidence which has been equally aimed at Stick and Keith (Galt).

In the first instance, consideration is being given to pursue a criminal action against Keith Summers based on infringements of Thai privacy laws, current copyright laws (which includes use of obscene material) as well as to consider whether there is sufficient cause to pursue him under the civil code as well. A recomendation to investigate the nature of his company and to consider the nature of how or if he used nominee shares to form the basis of his company has also been recommended in the report.

To keep things balanced, this file also includes similar material and evidence aimed at Stick and his site too based on the same laws aimed at Keith's website.

I have to say however, that having personally reviewed content from both of these sites based on the legal arguments in the file (I was not a reader of Stickman or John Galt until this file arrived on my desk for rveiew), my initial assessment (although it is not for me to make a judgement) that although Sticks website has contributed significantly enough to warrant certain claims being made against him from the John Galt website (Which may end up with him facing the same fate as keith), the case on face value against Keith seems to be far more significant in comparison. Let's just say this, Stick is the lesser of the two evils, although let it be acknowledged that he isn't totally innocent either. Let's put it this way, if things continue down the track they are going now and approval from the Judge to proceed is given, then Stick may become an unwitting victim along with Keith. Maybe this was the goal of Keith all along who seems to be on his way out of Thailand and just wants to take Stick with him.

The downside however of all of this adverse publicity is that it wouldn't surprise me that all Farang based websites with Thai content suddenly come under intense scrutiny as well with the view to blocking all access from within Thailand to many of the websites that are out there.

Thai's renowened for their all or nothing approach and to actioning things before they think about the consequences, but one thing is for sure, they don't care if a couple of Farangs get caught up in the cross fire and kicked out of Thailand.

Before someone smart mentions it, 'yes' the Thai authroties do know about Proxy servers.

The one reason I have decided to post on here is because I was made aware of this file 'formally' a week ago and have read its content and the laws that apply to this Galt V Stick debate and I also know which other websites have been mentioned along with it too.

Both Stick and Keith equally are likely to become victims in this nonesense and if what I have read in this file comes to fruition, then there will likely be a not insignificant amount of others dragged into the fray by association as well. And yes, Mangosauce was mentioned in the file.

Chow Chee Bye says:

Can't understand farang....very ding dong as the Thais call them....this whole fiasco only serves to prove the Thais are correct all the time.

One question....Farangs say thais are shallow, cheat, low life, childish, etc...wht bout your typical farang as shown by the postings here?

another question, why can't farangs just grasp the concept of paid sex? is it something wrong with it? farangs questions thai culture, traditional views about women, etc....but why do they come to thailand for paid sex and still carry with them the emotional guilt? I find that people who send submission to stick is like going for confession with their priest. they came to thailand and have sex with prostitute and feel guitly. so they write submissions to stickman to confess and justify their actions!!! how pathetic. the thais and asians in general just look at prostutition as a means to offload their steam while maintaining their family. never seen a thai or asian confessing their sins....shallow? maybe....but sure hell is sanuk and no emotional baggage at all...remember the 3Fs....

Derukugi says:

Crudski, Entertain Morons, etc:

...and the strawman about letting "them" sort it out keeps re-appearing. To remind you for the umpteenth time: THERE IS NO "THEM"!

Stick minded his own business (and still does).
Galt/Summers began stalking stick (and still does).

One is a stalker, the other is the stalking victim. That is NOT the same!
Good grief, is that so hard get into you heads?

HKexpat says:

Sorry, The lawyer, but if you really were a member of the legal profession surely you'd know how to spell "alledged". Nice try, though.

Dizz says:

Summers craves attention. He is
a howler monkey . He can get it
up behind glass but in the real world,
he needs baht and help. Instead of
using words of quality, he uses words
of attack.

We all, of course, have our problems
and pimples. Stick is no exception,
but he has created a forum where others
can entertain, and sometimes, inform.

The monkey has given us only negativity.
We are no more wise because of this howler, only less of ourselves.

Stick is indeed the victim, and the
monkey is trying to be a censor, the
moral swine.

I can't pity him, though he is obviously
not a happy person, for he is of the
destructive sort.

The world, our world, already has too
many of his kind- the unkind type.

---Dizz

Derukugi says:

Lawyer:
I am pretty certain that you are a troll.
Still, it is disheartening to see so many aggressive nutcases among the falang expat community. What is it -- too much sun, free time, and Singha beer?

fuck u stick says:

commom made the most sense of all

ThaidUp says:

No Lawyer is a comedian when he talks about enforcing "current copyright laws" in Thailand.

Man you have to make a real effort to find legal computer software in this country.

When the judge reads efforcing copyright laws he have to admitted to the nearest hospital from the acute stomach pains he gets from the belly laughing!

philH says:

"One question....Farangs say thais are shallow, cheat, low life, childish, etc...wht bout your typical farang as shown by the postings here?"

Answer : same same. Just don't think the typical farang is personified by some of the crackhead postings above.

"another question, why can't farangs just grasp the concept of paid sex?"

Another answer : many can. The guy has a need (sex), the girl has a need (money) and can fulfill his it at a price. It is a simple contract, the price and terms & condition are agreed and the deal is done.

Those that can't come to terms with it are those that can't understand the Asian separation of sex and love.

btw anybody heard anything about stick coughing up half a mill US? Judging by the lawyers posting it's a bit early to be settling the account but maybe it's a downpayment.

PS I hope the ripples from this spat don't turn into a cyberspace tsunami.

The lawyer says:

Sorry guys but I type just far too quickly and have no time for nuances such as checking my spelling all the time as I write and then run off onto the next project...

The dossier exists and is very real.

What would you like me to do?

List all the laws currently being infringed and name the Judge that I know who now has the file in his 'in- tray' and the other members of the Thai authorities who currently have the file in their hands?

Sorry if I have upset the Grammar and spell checkers out there but seriously get a life guys or at least go and do some real work for a change.

tingtawng says:

The Lawyer, why do you expose the details of confidential documents on a public forum?

Not only that, why do you then prejudice the outcome of a possible case by giving your own (supposed) professional opinion on it?

If you are a lawyer, you should be aware of your responsibilities.

Also, you seem to have little experience of law and how it is applied to websites. You can set-up a website with a host outside of Thailand. Thai authorities do not have any legal power over what and what isn't published on servers outside of Thailand.

Bottom line: internet jursidiction's starting point is from what country your website is hosted from. As far as I can see, Stick's site is hosted in Australia.

Thai ISPs can and do ban particular websites/IP addresses - that is up to them.

Example: I can post derogatory statements about the Chinese government on my website hosted in the UK. UK law says it's OK for me to criticise the Chinese government through free speech laws within the UK. This doesn't stop Chinese ISPs banning my website.

Of course, Thai authorities will be interested in Stick/Galt's possible tax evasion/working without a permit....that is another thing altogether.

llso says:

Hmm. A Lawyer, I don't know much about Thai law but for this matter of an I nternet fued to go to the Thai "Supreme Court" sounds a bit much.
Anyone who has done any business here also knows that a Farang cannot practice law in Thailand only act as an advisor at the very least if working within a legal Thai firm.

Neverthless you are reviwing this case to the supreme court,

OK,

notthelawyer says:

lawyer, it comes across that you've rushed out to judge this so called dossier much faster than would usually be prudent. you can see why it makes the claim look ridiculous.

Daniel says:

Bush,

Please at least give us the link to your friend's story. People who get kicked out of Thailand usually do for very good reasons.

If you won't provide the link, will you at least tell us a bit about the circumstances? Somehow I doubt you will.

PS David, thanks for helping another scumbag get kicked out of Thailand.

bob says:

on thaivisa.com they are saying that the police originally demanded 1mill baht from stick but stick got them down to 500,000 baht, any truth in this or just more bullshit.

Steve says:

Summers was over the moon a while back and proudly assessing all the linkage to his site through mangosauce.com

David and Stickman and others have been hosting their own websites here in Thailand for donkey's years and deserve credit.

Along comes Summers; upset at the negative feedback from thai-visa/forums - mangosauce become his allied in voice!

As we have gathered though, Summers is a guy who doesn't ponder what he has written before he clicks the 'published' button on his screen.

Summers, his bar-beer cronies and their justification for such blatant out-right attacks on one of Thailand's foremost webmaster's is a case of the 'Farang-mafia-wannabes'

No doubt Summer's has his buddies down there in Pattaya; with their loud mouths cursing down those whom dare deprecate their bar-businesses.

Such white-mafia-wannabe-drivel, much of which i have heard in my days in Thailand is in reality - all mouth but no action.

For anyone wishing to hear such nonsense just enjoy a few days in Pattaya, talk nicely the owner and soon he'll be coming out with lots of complete trash along the lines of 'I have big contacts' etc....

I doubt a case of the notmangosauce.com will ever successfully materialize, and why?

- For the likes of David, Stickman etc..... know all the crap which is spoken on the bar-stools of/by Pattaya's infamous.

In the meantime, i very doubt that David and Stickman are exactly pishing their pants! As for Summers however, i would envisage the opposite

philH says:

"lots of complete trash along the lines of 'I have big contacts' etc...."

"know all the crap which is spoken on the bar-stools of/by Pattaya's infamous."

Never truer words spoken. Pattaya barkeeps are allowed the level of contacts that maintains their warm feeling of security and bonhomie so they part with the funds willingly.

So it goes with most other farangs in LOS, the best anyone can attain is a level of being tolerated.

bkkred1 says:

A couple for the lawyer...just to tax your keen legal mind if I may. Im somewhat mystified as to why the file has been passed to 'a supreme court judge',the implication here being that the case has far reaching constitutional implications perhaps or after due consideration the thai authorities are considering fast tracking the case straight to the supreme court and by passing the primary court system as its of such importance to the country that it shall simply go to the highest court in the land.Im sure that their work load post military coup must be light and they are all sharpening their pencils to give an opinion on that ground breaking case of 'The Kingdom v Stick/Summers'.
Or were you simply implying your own importance as its been given to 'a supreme court judge',sorry a 'senior supreme court judge' based on your recommendation?
Which authorities are involved here?Tax,immigration,the boys in brown.Perhaps the lawyer can tell us.
Exactly who are you and where do you practice?Who are you representing here?You must be working for the Thai authorities as you have 'reviewed the file' and passed it to 'a supreme court judge'(no doupt an expert on 'cyber crime'plus numerous experience of deliberating cases involving small time tax avoidence and work permit violations) or are you council for an agrieved 3rd party, as yet unknown.Please remember in Thailand its perfectly normal for cases such as these to be reviewed by members of the supreme court before they are passed on ,with a recommendation, to Sgt Somchai at immigation police.
Please fill us all in.Oh and next time please sign yourself... the very important lawyer.
P.s.I think you summed yourself up in the first paragraph.

bkkred1 says:

One final request to 'the lawyer'.
Define 'real work' you self important prat!

Yu Ngo Hu says:

LOL @ The Lawyer

If indeed the Thai's want to get rid of dime-a-dozen farangs like Galt and Stickman, you can be sure that they won't spend time writing dossiers and sending them to supreme court judges.

If it were that important, by now both should have been visited by the BIB and their arses hauled off to the nearest detention centre on charges far more serious than writing web stories for the reading pleasures of delinquent farang flotsam.

Loose Cannon says:

Steve ... get a grip mate...
blah blah blah "one of Thailand's foremosts webmaster's" blah blah blah
ROFL
...he is telling people where to find the best whores! & then how not to get ripped off by them.
And if you decide to marry one he will check them out & try to fuck 'em!
He's not Mother Theresa for christ's sake.
As for the ever delightful Mr Galt, Thailand would be a much better place if both of them & their collection of misfit dysfunctional supporters were thrown out on their collective arses!

guy H. says:

to steve:

many times the comments that the stick write about people are untruths - lies. in the legal world, this is called slander.

He has been doing this a long time. and perhaps you feel that it is harmless prattle that the stick is engaging in. but I can tell you, many people who are the blunt of his articles feel pain, real pain because of what he writes.

if you are of the group who believes that that is "their problem".

...then, might I suggest you disengage from this discussion SINCE what we anti-stick people are doing to the stick is EXACTLY the same treatment that the stick is engaging in when he writes lies about people.

AND IF STICK DOESN'T LIKE IT, THAT IS HIS PROBLEM.

freedom of speech? well, it can go both ways, you know.

Derukugi says:

Um, I say:
"guy H." = "John Galt" aka Summers.
Or what?
The style is a pretty obvious giveaway.

Stromasher says:

Woah where are the brakes on this thing?
This train seems to be running away full speed still.
So another 10B coin is laid onto the rail.

MS site has been a lot better than Stickmans for a while now, its funnier and not up its own arse, least to me anyroads.
Stickmans site was always good for a snippet, sure he may be a bit pompus and repeated himself a lot but it killed 10minutes having a browse.

The I-HATE-STICKMAN-GRRR site reminds me of a cop movie where the NYPD burst into some oddballs dingy flat and find a huge bizarre collage on the wall with hundreds of long lense photos of the target.
Hundreds of images of cartoon Stickman pinned to the wall with angry black crayon across his little face and 'I WILL HURT YOU','VENGANCE WILL BE MINE' etc headlines cut from newspapers.
Scary bloke, scary photos of the bloke above.

Perhaps just ignoring The WeemanGaltster would help as he now seems to be getting off on the attention.

Dave, sorry for the request but is it possible to have more stories on the honeys and less on the fannies please?
Regards to all.

The lawyer says:

Second guesses, evaluations, pre-judgements, speculations, grape vine rumours... I hear it all and they have all come out over the past few weeks to one degree or other and the responses I have had to my threads on here all seem to support this view.

The reason for my earlier posts were to 'try' and put some perspective to what is happening elsewhere with regards this issue... and what happened as a consequence? We got more speculative statements, comments, and pre-judgements based on perceptions and inaccurate assumptions made by the avid and often gossiping readership of Mango sauce. It never seizes to amaze me but I do understand the scepticism.

Did I make a judgement or influence the nature of the case? Of course not, I was expressing an opinion based on what I have seen in the file. Hardly enough to sway the outcome of a legal case me thinks. Besides since when did the Thai legal system listen to opinion? Had I published the contents of the file and gone into details of the specific laws and how they are currently being reviewed with the comments attached from within the Thai camp, then "yes" I could envision how this may sway things one way or the other. But I didn't and I won't and before I last posted I did consider this issue before writing what I did.

Why has it gone to a Supreme Court Judge you ask? Well it’s simply because he is part of a committee who is there to offer guidance and advice before someone presses a button to proceed or not. Let's be clear here, taking this down a criminal route will have a far greater and swifter impact than going down a civil one and the Judge is currently being asked to express an opinion on what he believes to be the best course to go down should the decision to proceed occur.

Yes I am aware of how the law views the Internet and how it applies to where the server is currently sat. The dossier has made significant reference to both Australian and US law with regards to copyright, privacy, and libel laws (would you like me to name which laws apply for each country now as well?). As such the file states fully what the responsibilities are of the ISP in this case and what action could be implemented and who is responsible. The file also references specific legal cases as to which legal arguments could be made should the Thai authorities or certain individuals wish to take this offshore for further action. I specifically mentioned in a previous post the use of Proxy servers because I was aware that the best Thailand can do initially is to block the contents from being viewed from within Thailand while the use of a proxy server could disable that tactic from being useful to the Thai authorities (as far as I am aware).

The point that I think is being missed is that the contents of the dossier may go on to be used should a decision to proceed occur. All I have said so far is that a dossier has passed my desk for review and has gone onto senior Thai people in authority for review, comment and consideration. Please try not to read in between the lines.

Once the review has occurred then a decision will be made based on everyone’s feedback to proceed or not.

For those of you citing Phanthip plaza and the implementation of copyright laws to address that particular problem are simply looking at things from a different financial and motivational perspective with regards to the Thai mindset.

Why am I involved?

a) Because it’s my job to make legal assessments and;

b) Because someone brought it to my attention to investigate the laws further based on an initial assessment that they gave me.

Why did I bother (yes why did I?) to post all of this on mango sauce?

Well it's simple really. I would like as an conscientious observer (with access to a dossier that is doing the rounds) to stop this before it gets totally out of hand and drags the rest of the foreign community down with it. Not too great a goal to achieve... or is it? I guess based on the negative comments and exclamation marks of disbelief that I have seen popping over people’s heads then it would probably be better for me to just let things take a natural course and watch the firework show from afar when it eventually happens instead.

As Phil H. states, the best anyone can attain is a level of being tolerated here and he isn't wrong, but it doesn't take a great deal for that toleration to be tested and right now I would say that certain people are pushing the levels of Thai tolerance a little too far.

For those of you who think I am one of those bar drinking know it all Thailand egg spurts who claims to have big contacts here in LOS, well I’ll tell you a little secret... first I don't sit in bars drinking and secondly I don't profess to have big contacts here either... but I do get to see certain files that cross my desk and this latest one is one of many I do get to see, read and comment on.

Things move much slower in certain legal circles here but eventually the sleeping giant will awake. In this case it is likely to happen when everyone has gone home thinking this issue has been resolved peacefully and the 15 minutes of fame are over.

Entertain boring morons says:

Goat man shakes off the excrement for a faint momentary whiff of reality to articulate delusion of middle aged cesspool dwelling scum bugs. Lifeless in their own domain their stench surrounds as they pursue others stale air.

Powers that be understand geographic isolation of masses for exploitation. (Thaksin is the expert) Lower life forms come from afar to take advantage as if sniffing curs after the bitch.

No contemplation that they are stench feces floating within this septic pool for their own mid-life crisis beckons another beer and Viagra to further delusion in Thailand.

Pants Elk says:

Still trying to give a damn, here.
Help me with this.

Starving Pelicoon says:

It's funny about all the controversy Galt has started - yet anybody with the correct google keywords could've found stick's true identity since march. And most likely, anybody with more than a few friends in expat bkk could've, too.

Wombat says:

To guy H

I am all for free speach as I explained to your friend Summers a few days ago. But when he attempts to impose his opinions & sense of morality (wiping away tears of laughter) I would venture to say that Summers is no fan of free speach. He is a fan of himself, excess attention & organised sex tours. Oh, I nearly forgot. Virgins or is that little girls. If you found a 20 something virgin anywhere I don't see the point unless it is to hide some inadequacies. I prefer women who know what they are doing & are comfortable & happy doing it.

Hopeless romantic says:

So who is going to win?

Yankee-Expat says:

I know the operator of "THE MAN TOUR". He is a friend of mine that I have know for over 10 years. I do not know Keith Summers but I have met him. Joe, who operates The Man Tour is above board and never is there any hint of underage anything.

To drag down by association Joe and his tour is unfair. I can tell you that Keith Summers doesn't work for Joe.

Enough of the broad brush - not everyone involved is wacky or a shit.

LOL says:

Those ladies are oog-lay! I would be so embarassed to have my photo taken.

Notthelawyer says:

"The lawyer" claims:
[[[Why has it gone to a Supreme Court Judge you ask? Well it’s simply because he is part of a committee who is there to offer guidance and advice before someone presses a button to proceed or not.]]]

Yeah, right. In Thailand, Supreme Court judges review ridiculous internet spats in order to advise if they should proceed or not.
Obviously, they have nothing better to do. LOL!

AJG says:

Stick detractors can say what they like, but the fact is Stick provides valuable information through the independent writers for people coming here for the first time. Each writer tells his story, and adds to the large volume of information. You can't find that anywhere else. In addition, many submission are entertaining, especially lately with Dr Earnshawe and Marc Holt. Both excellent writers with a sense of humor. We need more of this. It's tough enough in Thailand, so a good laugh is always a good thing.

However, I do think that Stick is no webmaster. His black background and garish colored text are SO amateur. He steadfastly refuses to change it. I guess he thinks it's all part of the Stickman 'personna', whatever that is.

Many readers have asked him to change, and to supply the ability to leave comments, similar to MangoSauce. He refuses. It's his site, so I guess he can make the decision. But retaining the horrible design against so many requests for change is not winning him any friends.

As for John Galt: What a pathetic creature. He may have his 15 minutes of fame, but he'll never live it down. By showing his picture, all he has done is made himself a very open target. I wouldn't be surprised if someone teaches him a very physical lesson. He should remember the Thai concept of Karma. It will come back to bite you Keith, and I hope it bites hard.

I doubt his site will last much longer. People have been writing to his domain registrar and to his hosting company asking them to put him out of business, myself included.

Worst of all, Summers can't write to save himself. His syntax and grammar are appalling, and show what a low level education he had. Here's a tip, Summers, go back to school and learn not only how to write, but also how to behave like a civilized human being, not the ignorant ranting idiot scumbag you currently are. Sheesh!

Boswell says:

Isn't a big lawyer group one of the main sponsors of Stickman's site? Surely they will be keen to assist in getting their advertising up and running again.

To Galts' friend (the Cambodian lost wallet story) maybe we know each other... I am also an OLD friend of Kieth...But have now come to realize that he is a sad Wanker!!

olijf&tomaat says:

I've seen Stick's photo on his school's website...and guess what.. the sky didn't fall in. Galt's threat to expose Stick is as empty as his diary.

The one positive out of all this, is that when indulging in the dodgy bars, I now know which face to look out for if I don't want to be the subject of scribbles in a notebook.

BTW, stick has already commented on this bizarre affair on the pattaya secrets forum. Go on, find it for yourselves you lazy, sad bastards.

bkkred1 says:

I'm with notthelawyer on this one.The notion that a 'senior supreme court judge' sits on a commitee to decide if an utterly trivial case makes it to court is completely absurd!
'thelawyer' must think we all just fell out of a tree.
If you have hard facts give them to us.This pseudo-legal inuendo ,full of dark forboding is both annoying and unhelpful.

Casanundra says:

Cripes! Crumbs and Blimey!

I am pissing myself laughing at the moment and have adopted a slack jawed look whilst dribbling on my chin because I have just realised who "The Lawyer" is based on this latest revelation from him.

If I am not mistaken, he is a 24 year old erhum 'expert' who works in my office 'occasionally' as an academic research assistant. His speciality believe it or not is actually on comparative tax law. I have just phoned one of my secretaries and she has just told me that this young fellow has been using my computer when I have been out of the office.

In the mean time let me confirm and dispel some truths about the file he is talking about.

- Yes a file exists

- Yes a committee of Thai legal people have seen it but only from an academic perspective and to make a comment from an academic 'what if' point of view.

- Yes a Judge has been 'sort of' consulted about some details but no specifics have been given to him. In fact it was presented in the same academic manner as the previous comment.

For the record, The Judge in question is an Arbitration Judge of some notary but I have no idea which court he is in. I'll send him an e-mail tomorrow and ask.

- The laws stated by 'The lawyer' are indeed applicable but unless Stickman or any of the girls identified in John Galts website come forward and specifically complain then nothing, and I repeat nothing, will be done about it.

- I can confirm that some of the committee members did ask for additional reviews of 'other' websites to be mentioned for 'interest only' and to see how wide the problem really is on the foreign based web sites with Thai content, hence why Mango sauce and other countries laws were mentioned.

For now, this dossier, file or whatever you want to call it, is on my desk for academic research purposes only. The information he spouted is from my notes and i'll thump him for taking me out of context when he is next in the office.

In the wrong hands I guess the file could cause some discomfort but it's a little far fetched to say that it will be acted on or used by the authorities.

I have informed both Stickman and John Galt via e-mail about the Thai laws in question and how they apply to this case and where they both stand. I have done it in an informative and unbiased way to try and bring some closure to this argument but up to them if they want to have a public fight. Nowt to do with me really, although I do disagree with the 'way' John Galt has done this and believe he should have taken a different approach. (Both John Galt and Stickman would be able to confirm that I have done this if asked)

I can also confirm that a certain 24 year will be getting a huge kick in the pants the next time I see him and if as I suspect he has used my private e-mail as well, then he will also get a swift kick in the balls too.

So, on behalf of an over zealous research assistant, I apologise and as such will take some of the blame for the blurb he has put on here. I guess that will teach me for leaving such a file out on my desk for him to take a creative peek at eh!

BTW: 'Mr lawyer' if you read this before I see you in the office next, just know you have been caught out, and that you should buckle your knees slighty and know that a size 8 boot is on its way up into your gonads you complete Pratt. Also remind me to discuss certain ethics with you as well!

Bloody youth of today, they just cannot be trusted!

All the best everyone

Casanundra

NotLiuBei'sNotLawyer says:

Dear miss lAWyUr

i Am VeRY skEPTICLe of YOur CreEDenshuls As A laWYEr. YouR GraMMeR and usEDGE are THOse OF aN ENgInEER Not A LOYYER but HEy at LEaSt U KnEw HoW to SPeL AleDged EVerrY LoyER knoWs THaT WOrD.

YoU wiLL CeaASE ImpERSOnAting A lAWYEr We HAVE a FiLE on YOU>>> and THerE aRe "ThiNGs" In thE FIle. WHAt THinGS yOU MiGhT asK WelL I AssuRe YoU THey Are INDeed ThINgS sO STop Now...

THe ChoICe Is YOurS... YoU HaVE unTIL mIdNiGHT.

TICK TOCK

TICK TOCK

Half Man Half Goat says:

Entertaining boring morons picks up the shit stained banner and sallies forth into the morass of effluence... Once again, certain submissions are getting far too serious! What next, a politicain submits a post that CNN have picked up the story of the Stickman/Summers spat and proposes a 3 part documenatary? Or perhaps the United Nations decides to step in and draw demarcation lines? Still, it is very amusing but very much overblown.

Mr. Summer's, perhaps, regrets starting this vendetta but, just like a geniital wart, he will be harder to get rid of without constant attention. I would welcome back the references to 'being connected' in Thailand (re: mafia) because these posts are good fun to read. Wish fulfillment and dreams of importance are de rigeur for expats in Thailand who are as insignificant, to the Thai people, as kee kwai.
Excrement is my theme because that's what this whole Stick//Summers subject amounts to: a steaming pile of kaka masquerading ass (sic) something important. As for the Legal Beagle, I wipe my arse in your general direction.

Casanundra says:

Hey 'Not LiuBei's NotLawyer'

Do you mean you have a file on me or 'The Lawyer?' Woohoo! Please let it be me as I have always wanted a file about 'um' me!

Now. If all the sensible not MIB type clandestine readers would like to form a line behind me, there is a certain 24 year old research assistant who is waiting to get the pump kicked out of him. Just remember I have first kick.

Can someone 'in the know', nudge nudge wink wink, send me a copy of my file as I have always wanted to know all about me as the mirror doesn't speak to me anymore.

What a hoot!

LOL!

Casanundra

Jack Wow says:

Entertaining boring morons - this fool's nothing more than a poor man's Dicer!

Phraan Laa Phu-ying says:

Bring Trink back.

tingtawng says:

The Lawyer, you really should know the difference between a website host and an ISP - it will stop you looking foolish.

You seem to think it's illegal in Thailand for someone to host a website in another country that may violate Thai law. Wrong. Thai ISPs may ban a site and stop it being viewable to the Thai public, but that doesn't mean they have any legal power to prosecute the website owner, or the website host (unless they violate an international treaty agreed between Thailand and the hosting country).

I'll give you 5 out of 10 for your dry, academic style, but your spoof persona fails when it comes to the technical details.

NotCasanundra says:

SimPErInG GNaT!

It IS *i* wHO hAVE aFiLE On YoU.

YoU wILL WISH it waS thaT pUSSy Not LiuBei's NotLawyer wHo HAd A fILe oN YoU wHEN yOU ReAlIze WhaT iS IN the FIle. YES wE EVEn Got THAt EMbaRRasing NAKED BABy PicTUR of YOU. bUTT we HAvE MOre Oh YEs wE HAve mORe. i WARN YOu i Am CONNeCted, IMpORtanT, anD GosH dARn iT PeOPle LiKE me.

yOu HaVe UNtiL mIDnIGHT tO GIvE US tHE doSSIER oN THE sEXpAt WEbSITes LEAvE It ON YoUR DesK dONt CaLL US We wILL CaLL yOU.

SuRRendER, CAsanUNDra oR We WILL GEt YoU, mY pReTTy, ANd YoUR LitTLe DoG Not LiuBei's NotLawyer ToO.

TICK TOCK

TICK TOCK

Anonymous says:

Does Jack wow mean 'having a wank', 'not worth a wank', 'I am a wanker' or 'mai mee poo ying pro wah kit jack wow dee kwaa?' Quite sad really...

Chaiwat says:

Well I am a Thai born overseas and I see no merit in either site. However this Stickman should take down his sex and teaching website before someone reports it, with his full name to the ministry of education. He gives all farangs here a bad name with his hooker investigations especially with the teaching "guide".

Jack Wow says:

Anonymous, to me it means "I am a wanker"
It's just slightly more inventive than posting anonymously.
Next question please?

Chuck Woww says:

You tell 'em Jack. Anything is an improvement on 'anonymous'.

Notinterested says:

tHANK gOD THIS thread is starting to peter out: all we are left with is jack wow and chuck wow licking each others balls. Lets move on Mango munchers and leave these 2 wankers some well deserved privacy.

Excellent thread David: Well Done mate!!

Kasman says:

If you think Stick has a half million of anything, you are crazy as hell.

With a school teachers salary and that dipshit website, he couldn't cough up a half million baht or anything else to save his ass and I doubt Galt and his EBAY venture could either.

There are some real asses getting involved with these ridulous postings.

What an embarassment to farangs everywhere in Thailand.

Any Thai's following this story would know right away what they have always expected, that farangs are basically full of shit and have a hard time distinguishing between fantasy and reality.

This so called lawyer, you are another dipshit too.

You should get deported for being a complete horses ass!

If you have nothing better to do than hang out on the internet posting in this childish dispute and you are indeed a lawyer, you are about as worthless as they get. (Maybe a legal clerk because you can read and comprehend english somewhat?)

What Galt and Stickman did is bring some entertainment to the farang web community but it also exposed the self-evident?

There are many farangs here dillusional as all hell?

Wannabe lawyers, Gang Bangers, Mafia, Hit Men, Well Connected Farangs wielding the power sword, Keyboard warriers, we have some writers that are excellent and some that must have flunked a Stickman TEFL course, lets see, what other crazies do we have on here here?

What a a pathetic way to embarass a whole community here in a foreign country.

The only farangs the power playing Thais want to know are the ones that can help them make the long dollar, and it is evident that no one posting on here falls into that category.

Who ever heard of a powerful Thai wanting to befriend a poor working class farang?

I suspect the majority of you imposters are either so-called English teachers armed with your (Pattaya Paid Certificate) or other non-educated types that have found Thailand the perfect place to suit your ingorance.

Now on the count of three, grab your head with both hands and pull really, really hard until you here a pop.

That pop is the sound of you pulling your head out of your ass.

mr joe says:

the only person who is getting a kick out of this crap is Summers. lf you see a large fire the arsonist will be standing in the background masterbating
wlldly. Thank fuck summer only comes once a year with that gentleman l wish you goodnight

KoolKing says:

no scorecard today, have been out deep sea fishing off the coast of New Hampshire, productive trip.

philH says:

Oi! You cnut, NotLiuBei'sNotLawyer, what are you doing associating bad grammar with engineers? More likely to be yourself, either a failed English teacher or a Khao San Road junky backpacker.

Fiev yeres ago i coodn't spel inginere now i ar won.

Casanundra says:

Well well well the plot thickens...

I Just got back into the office today and found out that 'the lawyer' has been sending out e-mails on my gmail account. I tend to log in automatically into all of my e-mail accounts on my PC at work (I know, I know, there is no need to tell me how stupid I am) and the little shit has been sending out e-mails using my name in vain on my accounts.

I am now checking my archives and Google desktop now to see what I can spot but I have just had to send both Stick and John Galt an apology for any e-mails that may have been sent out on my behalf.

I am dreading what I will find. Groan!

Hey Tick Tock man. You do realise that you are playing havoc with my pace maker don't you! Can you stop the ticking please before I keel over in a fit of spittle and splutters! Thanks!

Oh dear, I can feel a Stickman submission coming on.

IAN says:

Hay Chaiwat. Ever heard of the concept "Freedom of speech"? It is something we have in western democricies and it promotes ideas and differing points of view all in the name of FREEDOM!

notthelawyer says:

casanundra, are you playing the lawyer guy, or the guy that prepares a dossier? this is getting confusing.

goofball says:

hey Casunundra...why are you fabricating this story about someone using your computer?I see through your smoke screen

Geoff says:

Stickman's site is essentially down. John Galt hasn't yet put out the promised whopper today. This thread is dying down. Seems like I may have no other option in the office today other than.....working.
Though I am sure if I dig around a bit, Mangosauce archives will be able to fill this void.

Liu Bei says:

PhilH: "Fiev yeres ago i coodn't spel inginere now i ar won."

I have yet to meet an engineer under project-manager level who can spell "engineer." That doesn't mean they don't exist however, they're just as rare as white guys in Thailand who don't chase hookers. On the other hand, how many writers have you met who can solve a differential equation?

You must be an engineer, and therefore one of the few who are what you say you are on this thread--your grammar and spelling are impeccable compared to most english teachers here in Thailand.

By the way the cunt who nicked my laptop is not really my stalker's not-lawyer, just a cunt.

Liu Bei says:

Mr. Joe: "the only person who is getting a kick out of this crap is Summers."

Not true. This is better than Jerry Springer, and at least half as literate.

However, I suspect Mr. Summers is the only one pounding pud to all this...

Carrie says:

Hahaha: Google ad right above Keith's picture:

Exclusive FemDomme Videos
Ball Crushing, Spanking, Humilation of Puny Men

Observer says:

Those who think the Thai authorities would not be interested in these Stickman/Summers sites might think again.
--------------------------
"The new ICT Minister expressed his belief in censorship and said that even the most avid freedom of speech advocate would change his mind if he sees doctored pictures of his daughter's head on a naked body posted on the Internet.

The ICT Ministry will soon put forward draft Acts to the National Legislative Assembly on cybercrime and on web sites that are pornographic or considered lese majeste, allowing officials to arrest, fine and imprison offenders. "

Bangkok Post - Database (U-TURN AT ICT MINISTRY)
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http://www.bangkokpost.com/151106_Database/
15Nov2006_data001.php

Casanundra says:

LOL - I wish I was able to fabricate such a story. You want to see some of the e-mails the little shit has sent on my behalf.

To answer the question from 'not the lawyer;, I do actually own the file because I am doing some research on Technology Laws and this bun fight between Stick and Galt has proven to be a great subject starter to support some of the research I am doing in this field.

However, the fact that some git in the office got their hairy mits on it and decided to use it to stir the shit just goes to show you how mean minded some people who stay here really are.

For the record, the lawyer is actually a real lawyer although a young and naive one at that. Fortunately for me, he is only a visiting RA and will be out of here soon enough.

Funnily enough, it was his comment about the ISP that tripped him up and made me realise just who he was.

Dr J A Earnshawe BSc PhD says:

I was looking for a recipe for a sauce to go with a dish I was coking for my dear wife, little Nok, when I came across this site.

It is rather fortunate because I now know why Mr stickman is not currently posting my diary extracts, and in addition, gives me a chance to recount a similar embarrassing situation I once found myself in during my teaching career in England.

I was with the school was on a camping expedition on the Cheviot Hills when I was woken by the bleatings of a lamb which had lost its mother. I saw the lamb at the entrance to Miss Sugget's tent and made a lunge for it, but unfortunately fell into the tent upon a naked Miss Bolton, on the top of a naked Miss Sugget. Unfortunately the lamb was cushed to death and at the same time my colostomy bag burst.

At the time the incident caused a frightful stink and was difficult to cover up since it awakened the whole school. However, after 5 years it was hardly mentioned in the staffroom.

I hope my experience will provide Mr Stickman some optimism. Incidently if any one has a recipe for mango sauce I would be grateful for it. I am not a spicy person myself but little Nok would appreciate it.

Dr J A Earnshawe BSc PhD

Half Man Half Goat says:

I think this whole subject stems from ex-pat's inability to tolerate rejection. So many ex-pats are so thin skinned. For example, if Galt/Summers' hatred stems from Stick's refusal to become 'friends' it gives a whole new take on 'hell hath no fury like an expat scorned.' So Stick did'nt want to become chummy with Keith and Keith gets very upset and vows revenge.
Another example: have you noticed that when anyone posts here on MS and another writer makes even the slightest negative comment, the original writer flips out? Loook at the spats between Dicer and Grunt for example. Endless overt and implied insults...ad infinitum. Why is it that we become so enraged when someone disagrees with us? A little bit over sensitive I think. We need to develop skin thicker than a buffalo's arse to solve this problem and keep a sense of humour.

Ps. If anyone disagrees with me...i will not be amused and I will fuckin hunt you down, contact the Thai mafia and have you gang raped..etc etc etc

the geek says:

it totally amazes me how ill informed many people are.

just because somebody dresses like a bum doesn't mean they are a bum.

just because the stick works as a teacher doesn't mean he is poor.

does that concept make sense to you?

many people don't know the power of the internet, nor do they know how much many people are making from their websites.

if you want an example of someone making a lot of money, check out the following website. ...JUST one of many around.

www.pattayainformation.com

note his rates for posting on his website.

Pants Elk says:

I think Casanundra's desperate invention of a "visiting RA" to get him off any potential hook is easily the best thing in this tedious who-gives-a-fuck thread. The creation of an email-hacking desk-pirating file-snooping youngster (conveniently outtahere shortly) is worthy of John Grisham at his least inspired.
Kudos, Cas!

Nasty Nick says:

Just read Nostickmanbangkok latest posting.

Sorry guys but I dont think that will be beaten. He had the balls to do what he said.

Nick

Wombat says:

Just read Summers weekly bile. I know I shouldn't but like that last drink on a night out you sometimes can't help it. Was totally suprised that of 90 respondents to his question of whether he should post Stick's photo 62 said yes & only 28 said no. A result as suprising as Thaksin's last election victory & as fair & ethical no doubt. Now we all know what Stick looks like. But wait theres more. Summers has outed himself! Right from the start I have been wondering what his name was & what he looks like. Been looking everywhere for that information & couldn't find it anywhere. Then he speculates on how much money he was making. So what? Good luck to him I say. He was prepared to put the time & effort into it. Who hasn't pocketed money on the side when the opportunity has presented itself. You can bet Summers books aren't squeaky clean. Then we get further information on his manufacturing business. No mention at all about his supposed work as a sex tour guide. And he still can't spell. Complete dross & self interest cloaked as morality. People took & enjoyed Stick's site for what it was. Congratulations arsewipe.

Saeb says:

I'm an aircraft engineer. I can spell "engineer".
I can spell lots of other words as well.
What's a "Project Manager"?.
Is that the clown who sits in a portakabin surrounded by plans he doesn't understand?.
And gets an engineer to explain them to him?.

tingtawng says:

Casanundra, your Mr. Bean-like carelessness at work losing your work files/getting your e-mail account used by another person is providing an amusing diversion to this dreary thread.

er says:

Galt's latest column suggests that dark influences in the nightlife trade - mafia pimps? - had Stick in their pocket. Certainly, the ruination of the nightlife industry in places like Nana does smell of hardcore pimps and gangsters rathers than having lots of smaller bars owned by different farang who were mostly amateurs and interesting characters in their own right. For sure, they made money out of the punter but generally didn't employ hordes of gals who had spent their youth in Thai brothels, for instance.

The annoying thing is that Stick had every chance to do a proper investigation into the nightlife industry but failed dismally to do anything other than go along with its ruination. Even to the extent of ignoring relevant information sent to him.

faatm says:

I think Cusanundra is full of shit

Derukugi says:

Nick,

am I missing something? I don't see anything new on the Galt site, only the same announcement that he will out Stick and himself (although that has already been done).

Frankly, I think Keith Summers has gone over the edge. This is a serious mental problem here, that just seems to escalate all the time. Think Lennon/Chapman.

Porky Parry says:

Just read the latest update on the non stick site, and have seen the pictures of both Stick and Summers. I would hate to add to Sticks woes any further, however he dosent half look like that fella who stands outside nana now and then, dressed in black (there may be a link in this site about him).

Prolly just a humble coincidence of course.

Anyhow, I have been reading this wjole episode since it began. In my opinion, Summers has gone way to far this time... Ok, so he posted Sticks photo - no major drama really, but phoning his school with the goal of talking to his boss? Jesus, is that not a little physco? Why the hell would he want to see the guy loose his job? Aside from being a complete spineless grass, he is a complete fruitcake that deserves a bloody good kicking for trying to fuck up a complete strangers life with little motive.

Dicer says:

"Loook at the spats between Dicer and Grunt for example. Endless overt and implied insults...ad infinitum. Why is it that we become so enraged when someone disagrees with us? " - Half something Half Luna

lol...I have no idea what it is that Grunt disagrees with....funny thing is here he's brooding enough about it so much so that he's addressing David when talking to Dicer.... some chumps seem to take the whole page to sleep on....btw I hope Grunt could tell us more about Ukranian tarts though.....oh and Moldovans too...

pete davies says:

stickman latest..
"The strains of working a full-time job and trying to run a website at the same time have token their toll on me and I have decided to take a break from the site to concentrate on my teaching. The most popular parts of the site will remain offline at this time."

this is fun.!

Liu Bei says:

SAEB: "What's a "Project Manager"?.
Is that the clown who sits in a portakabin surrounded by plans he doesn't understand?.
And gets an engineer to explain them to him?."

A project manager is someone who was the best of the engineering pool and therefore gets promoted by the company to a management job that's over his head in order to make sure things run the way they normally do (or don't).

A project manager can also be the person you mentioned but the one I was referring to is the one I described.

Fair and Balanced says:

This whole episode turns on a single question: Does Stickman have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

The answer to that is quite simply an unequivocal "no".

Stickman has clearly undertaken to make himself a celebrity. Fame comes with a price.

If he didn't want the notoriety and attention he should not have started the website.

Were his motives entirely pure and selfless he could have contented himself with dispensing the same advice anonymously through message boards or newsgroups.

Galt strikes me as a twerp and his abuse of the English language is appalling. But he's not going to get sued for revealing Stickman's info or photo.

The rules of privacy are different for private citizens than they are for politicians, actors, musicians, athletes, and yes, even journalists.

The only people in this whole affair who might have a case are the "banana girls", if indeed they were libeled, and the school, whose copyright on Stickman's photo Galt is violating.

And let's not kid ourselves that some "punter's code of solidarity" was broken here. Stickman stopped being "one of us" as soon as he took his first paid advertisement.

Stickman is a brand. He wants to sell you things. He wants other people to pay him to help sell you things.

It's no more unreasonable for his name and photo to be on public record than the names and photos of the presidents of Coca-Cola, Daimler-Chrysler or Sony.

Stickman brought this upon himself.

Bosley says:

Well, Maybe the HIV is starting to kick in Keith?? You are certainly on that death wish we all thought you were on.

Can't you just accept it and live your final days in dignity?

NotLiuBei'sNotLawyer says:

DeRe EngINNERes

i aM SoRRy foR haVING a gO At EngENIREs.

YoU hAVE tO uNDErSTanD thAT tHINGs oN tHIs thREaD WErE gETTinG BoooRING anD AfETUr "thELAwYur"'s Litel SopE opUra MayKiING fun of LOHyers Is LiKe ShOOtEnG FisH IN a BarEll. I knEAdeD a CHaLenjE.

DISCLAIMER: No engineers were harmed in the making of this post, except for software engineers, and they aren't real engineers anyway.

DISCLAIMER #2: All various and sundry threats still apply.

TICK TOCK

TICK TOCK

Tony says:

Hi Keith

I have 5 million baht life savings, please, please, please let me the first of many to invest it in your marvelous business opportunity. You have everything we investors look for: not only a truly innovative product but exactly the right kind of inspirational leadership qualities and interpersonal skills so necessary in a CEO of what will undoubtedly under your level-headed guidance become a world-beating brand.

And what a marvelous idea to invite, under your auspices, foreign engineers to work with you and to teach at the local uni. I just called my cousin, a post-grad at MIT, and he was so excited that he wants to come and join you right now. Maybe you can get him one of the two vacant places on your friend’s sex-tour so he can come over immediately.

As you so rightly point out on your eye-catchingly designed website, Thailand really needs businessmen like you. Fine, moral, upstanding men more happy at a Chamber of Commerce meeting than a sleazy agogo.

Looking forward to working with you soon.

Tony

P.S. So sorry to read about you losing your wallet in PP, it most have been so upsetting coming so quickly on top of losing control of your mental faculties.

Biker says:

"We produce turn signal products for foreign motorcycles (nothing for Thai bikes"

Mr Summers has a real knowledge about his products!!! lol. Maybe he would like to name one of those Thai Motorcycle brands...all the ones i see in Thailand ARE foriegn. Tosser

Kasman says:

Come on Stick? According to Galt the SCHOOL you work for told you to take all the naughty information off your site.

Galt stated he called your school to confirm this as fact.

It's time to face up to the facts, accept what has happened and dedicate yourself to your profession of teaching students.

Money is not everything. Get away from Sukhumvit and live in the real Thailand and you would know that money just isn't that important.

Poor and happy beats rich and miserable every time.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard

Galt 12 Stick 7

I looked at Galt's site and see no pics of Stick or anything really new. If the poster who relayed Stick's statement about not keeping the website going is correct, there's no reason to continue this scorecard which is really only about a web presence. I'll have to consider myself one of the losers in this as I enjoyed reading many of the "submitter's tales" on the Stick site.

This story certainly isn't over yet though. Will it just fade away or will there be a dramatic conclusion? My suspicion is that it will just fade away. I suspect that Stick's employer just simply said, "it's either the website or your job, up to you". I doubt there's any further ramifications than that. Then Galt's web site will get fewer and fewer hits until it is also pretty much a non-entity.

Basically, we have all lost.

loverboy says:

I hope Summers is happy now for ruining my weekly pleasure with the stickman site......
The world could be such a nice place without certain people.......

Karagan says:

The nearest I have been to Thailand is a day in Langkawi! But as a Yorkshireman I have quite enjoyed learning one perspective of Thai life from Stickman's site. I took a look at the alternative 'Not the' version and I have to say there was something about it that turned me away. The other site that interests me from time to time is this one, Mango Sauce

However, I think it is a shame that all this dirty washing is getting aired on here and it makes me wonder what a bunch of old fishwives the farangs there must be if they carry on like this.

concerned of london says:

Given the significant impact that Mr. Summers' actions may have on Stick's ability to carry on earning a living in Thailand as a teacher I do not believe that comments such as "this is fun.!" are particularly welcome.

It is surely better for all concerned if Mr. Summers returns to his day job, stops posting further information and gets on with his life, hopefully in Thailand if Thailand is the location he chooses to live. This will allow Stick to carry on with his teaching career, and the rest of us to get on with our day jobs.

Speaking personally, it will be a pity if Stick is not able to continue with his site. Whilst I certainly do not agree with all the weekly content, or many of the Readers stories, the content is at least entertaining and informative. Especially for an ex resident of Thailand who now has to make do with a European winter.

Sad says:

Keith Summers,

If he comes into your bar, please urinate in his 7-Up before you give it to him.

Mr.Tom says:

And the end of the story?
All farangs have lost:
Stick lose income
Stick have now a lot of problems,
at school, with his clients (advertising-money payback), his privacy, with authoritys, his www.side, etc.
Mr. Summers has now a lot new enemys.
The expats and foreign community lose a informationsource (the quality of the source doesnt matter at all; 1000st of reader submissions are gone!)
For some talent writers a platform is destroyed.

I can`t understand why parts of the expatcommunity in bkk fight against each other like streetdogs.

maybe the rainingsaison was to heavy.

shame shame shame on you.

juhani says:

"My background is in computer engineering and software development."
says notstickman
it means i think i have tried to study
but failed

Slow Learner says:

For regular readers of Stick's site, it has been clear for quite a while that he was increasingly ambivalent about the time and effort required to maintain the site and how much that was cutting into his regular life.

Summers made it even more of a pain in the ass to do the site, so now Stick appears to have decided to ditch it and just leave a few older sections online while his hosting is still paid for.

So little boy Summers gets his wish and there is no more SitckmanBangkok site and Stick will probably enjoy his evenings and weekends a lot more now than he has for the past couple of years.

As to the Mafia - grow up Summers. There are no great conspiracies out there, only paranoid personalities like you.

teemu says:

"My real name is Keith Summers. I'm an American. My background is in computer engineering and software development. "
Backgound !
It means he tried to study but failed.

jeffrey says:

His trying to call his boss totally tipped the balance.......Stalker!

Richard says:

Just read the Galt/Summers site and it all adds up to a big "so what"?.It just screams "look at me look at me".
What a miserable prick that man must be.

Carrie says:

Hey summers you little fucking pussy cunt. What a fucking loser. YOU CALLED STICK'S BOSS AT WORK????? You are a major creep fucking sick psycho. Are you ready to take on a woman you little fag? I'll be swinging by Thailand again in 8 weeks. You up for a challenge? We meet, public place, broad daylight, and you take me on in a fair fight. Ever fought a woman before summers? Yeah sure you've probably slapped and beaten little girls, creeps like you do, but you ever taken on a real woman summers? Now is your chance. We do all this and make all arrangements publicly, no private email, so all farangs can see what is going on and can attend the street fight and see what a big he-man little Keithy boy is. C'mon faggy boy put up or shut up.

John Galt says:

Calling the boss was an effort to verify that anything Stickman told me was the truth. I would have gone easier on him. I don't trust him. One week he is threatening me, the next week Stick is being nice to me. There are lots of things behind the scenes that may not be in the column. Sorry, but the general public is not responsible enough to know everything. I think we are at a good balance right now and Stick will return when he is good and ready; hopefully with a new respect for the publishing job when he chooses to continue.

Half Man Half Goat says:

Well, this is Thailand and just another story in Sin City. Summers is a parasite who has just killed his host. Just like the sad fuckers who killed the golden goose, Summers will regret this one day. The idea of him running around in his LED underpants proclaiming he is the Thai version of a moral crusader is absurd. Remember, a halo is just 6 inches away from being a noose.

I will miss the reader's submissions on Stickman's site. They were very entertaining. With no weekly submission from Stick, what will Summers do for his website? He can't write for toffee and his ideas are pedestrian at best.

Moreover, is'nt there something in Buddhism that says what goes around comes around? It takes years to build something up and only hours to destroy it.

Summers: you must be a very lonely and disturbed ...thing.

Half Man Half Goat says:

"I don't trust him. One week he is threatening me, the next week Stick is being nice to me."

Keith, you sound like a jealous homosexual lover. What is it that you really want? You say you prize honesty but surely all this hatred towards Stick cannot stem from you being, supposedly, morally superior to him? Don't you realise how you are digging your own grave? You will have to pay a price for all your wrong doing...

jesse venturer says:

I applaud keith summers for his bravery.

he exposed stickman for the lying evil paranoid vindictive vicious money-hungry two-timing, unsensitive scumbag that he is.

justice seems to be prevailing in this case.

..but the story is not over yet. no, it is far from over.

now that I know who the stickman is, if I see him on the street, I might decide to show him my famous wwf move, and teach him a lesson to not lie ever again.

mark my words, mr. stick.

I will be watching out for you.

be afraid, be very afraid little man.

Jesse

Fun Times says:

In the beginning, I felt little to no sympothy at all for Stickman. He did in fact, piss off quite a bit of his readers. I figured he was getting put in his place. When I first saw the "bananna girl" posting from Galt, I didn't even think twice about it causing any sort of dilema. Then I noticed that Stickmans website was down. Shortly after that I discovered this big smear-campaign (circus if you will) that Mango Sauce has so dilligently supported (exploited for that matter). It seemed like all good and fun.... at least until all the "I-sword swinging, keyboard warriors" decided to start making violent and personal threats.

Now however, my position has changed. If the Galt did go as far as to call Stickmans school, that shit is way way way over the line. He's gotta be somewhat mentaly unstable to do such a thing. He's turned a harmless internet fued into a real-life drama/soap opera. I read his mission statement on NotStickman, and he seems to have ventured completely off course from that. Now while I don't agree with the personal and violent threats toward him, I believe that he really needs to back the fuck off!

I figured that Galt/Summers would draw the line at some point. He didn't to say the least. When he first started his website, he seemed to be a legitimate guy with a bit of real insight for anyone who was interested. He proved himself to be a real hack. I agree with only one thing he did, by posting Stickman's picture and name. (eye for an eye). That was OK.

Still not sure why Mango Sauce thought it would be "real cute" to expose Summers (and yes I read the bullshit reason). I remember thinking that was a little weird, because Summers has not had even one negative thing to say about M.S. (I guess that says a lot about David's character)

Er says:

Nothing to do with me, but will Stick's contributors please move on over to thailandstories.com where they will find they get a share of the goodle adsense money. Nice.

Galt hopefully has a lot to say on setting up and running a small business in THailand; may be able to elaborate on the mess of the nightlife scene (all those ex-brothel gals!), etc.

Stick is a lucky man, a good thai lady for a wife, a couple of mill stashed offshore from his webiste, a nice face job in a good school... the sooner he ends his nightlife dalliances the better for all concerned. Though he could do a fantasical exposure of the nightlife scene...

Liu Bei says:

Fairly Unbalanced wrote: "Stickman has clearly undertaken to make himself a celebrity. Fame comes with a price."

So let me see if I got this: an English teacher in Bangkok who runs a website of unnecessary advice on "naughty nightlife" is a celebrity??? I suppose in the minds of a couple thousand guys who can't get laid anywhere on Earth except Thailand, and then only when they pay for it, that's true, but...

Sorry he's just some schmoe running a sleazy website, and dragging his personal information across the web is about a power of ten sleazier.

Does make for a gripping read, though. Can wankers like you stop gloating and get back to death threats and stuff? It's a lot more entertaining.

Curious says:

Is the stickman writers get together still going ahead next week? Or has it been cancelled?

Pants Elk says:

More deaf-mute-in-a-phone-booth fun after this break from another thread:

"My own field investigations into lesbianity have always been disappointing. One glimpse of my manly love lever is enough to render the sterile langor of a sapphic embrace suddenly without appeal for even the most hirsute of clit-clutchers. After a silk-smooth ride on my Sex Skytrain both butch and femme become confirmed heterosexuals, indulging in their past practices only to satisfy my whim, and encouraged by the prospect of a Pants Elk meat incursion as reward for an arousing performance.
We all have our cross to bear; mine is a beef-bracket which cures ladies of lesbianism."

... seriously though: I've forgotten what a nude Thai girl looks like, and that's entirely the fault of this interminable thread.

Nagarjuna says:

I don't understand how anyone can defend Keith Summers' actions. I won't speculate on his underlying motives. I'll leave that to psychologists. But I will say that the reasons he's publicly given for his outing of Stickman make no sense to me and, apparently, to almost everyone else who's been following this sad, sad story. Can ANYONE offer a cogent and concise justification of Summers' actions? Can YOU, Mr. Summers?

Some say that this whole story is a proverbial tempest in a teapot. But I ardently disagree. I've been reading Stickman's website for years and consider it to be (or have been) one of the Internet's great treasures with its wonderful information about Thai news, society, and culture; its photos; its book reviews and "personality" interviews; its reader submissions; and, yes, it's "naughy nightlife" updates.

I don't know of any other website that even begins to compare with Stick's in the rich and varied comprehensiveness of its knowledgeable farang's-eye-view of Thailand, and I regard the termination of most of its content, whether temporary or permanent, as a huge and extremely unfortunate loss. How can anyone here who isn't blinded by malignant enviousness of Stick's labor of love honestly say otherwise?

Part of me is very angry that one, in my humble opinion, very misguided man has possibly managed to destroy something that I and undoubtedly thousands of others have held so dear for such a long time. That part of me would love to see this man pay a severe price for his actions.

But another, and I would like to think, better part of me only wants to see this whole, ugly affair fade rapidly into oblivion and for Stick's site to return to its former glory. Even if it's true, as Stick himself suggests, that he's exhausted from the "strain" of maintaining such a demanding website while teaching full time and having a life, I hope that he will someday be able to restore the parts of his site that he's now taken down, even if he never or only occasionally adds new material to any of them. I hope that we don't lose forever the priceless treasures that were already there.

Some may consider me naive or worse for expressing my unadorned praise for Stick and his site and for my unadulterated condemnation of Mr. Summers' actions. Some seem to want to use this forum only to demonstrate how witty and clever they are at ridiculing or disparaging one person or another or at cynically telling us how silly we are to give a damn about Stickman, his website, or anything else in this Heraclitean world of unimportant insubstantiality.

However, I make no apologies for my thoughts and feelings about all of this or for conveying them here in precisely the way that I have. And if anyone else here feels the same way I do, I encourage them to do as I have done and speak up straight from their hearts.

Maudib says:

Well, it's obvious that Stick has ceased providing the same content that he has been providing for years... And Why??? Because Summers got his panties in a wad... Now that he has achieved his goal, Summers will slide into obscurity... Except when he runs into the odd punter who recognizes him and will likely have a thing or two to say -or- do to him...

I'm sure Stick has made enemies over the years, but probably nothing like what Summers has done to himself in the short span of 1 month... I would think that Summers is effectively persona non grata at many of his old stomping grounds...

Personally, if I run into Summers in my travels through LOS, I would take great joy in slapping the taste out of his mouth... Prick...

I do hope that all the Stick contributors will continue to write via another website, such as ThailandStories.com...

Tommy b says:

What a shame that Galt has gone out of his way to destroy some ones livelyhood. Im sure that he will be looking over his shoulder. Galt be wary of guys on motorbikes, as you have pissed off a lot of people. In Thailand people tend not to be very forgiving.

BigUnit says:

Summers first trip to Thailand was in 2001? pffft, it's just some demented noobie causing all this shit. Summers is nothing but your classic idiot, he should leave immediately if he values his health. There's a code among men, there are things you do and things you don't do in this world. At the end of the day, Summers will be swept up in a pile of trash on some dirty, rat infested soi and a new day will start.

DaffyDuck says:

Well, to say that Summers has gone over the deep end, would be putting it kindly. Now that he's appointed himself judge, jury and executioner, even going so far as to call Stick's school and employer, I would think he is quickly eroding any last support he's had (except for the half-dozen of so aliases he writes under, labeling them as friends of his.

His mission statement, which I assume will be revised soon, claims that he's all about 'honesty', and he claims that's why he exposed himself, as he exposed Stick's identity.

Unfortunately, that 'truth' part of his 'honesty' mission is suffering some mighty casualties, when he claims that the only reason people know of his name and identity beforehand, was because Stick leaked it -- or as he put it in an e-mail exchange, he is convinced only ONE person in the Kingdom would have been able to pinpoint his identity - Stickman

Of course, this came as a surprise to me, as it took me a grand total of 5 minutes to track down Keith Summers as the man behind John Galt, and Stickman never called or emailed me once to tell me. Clearly, as of his last article, he keeps insisting on that lie being the only way he was 'found out' (albeit the people in the Mangosauce thread have used the same '5 minute' methods to find out, as I found out later.)

While Stickman has gone on a self-imposed hiatus, for the time being, Keith Summers is gloating over what he consider a personal victory, and believing his own hype - though I'm afraid this is not over yet...

Either way, the way I see this is that Keith Summers is just as much of a liar, as he accuses Stickman of being - and his lies have caused some definite damage, which can only be bad news, down the line.

Ms Moneypenny says:

I Googled keithinasia and Google said "do you mean euthanasia". I don't know how sick Keith is but it could be an honourable way out...

Anonymous says:

It take very little money to have a gang of motorcycle taxis kick the crap out of sombody.
Keith, watch your back.
I don't like scum like you and would be happy to see you in a bleeding in a gutter.
Think I'm kidding?

Voice of raisons. says:

All this reminds me of a very non-PC saying I read on the Interweb once…

"Fighting on the Internet is like competing at the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard."

Personally I am not a fan of the P4P scene that seems to have bought both Stickman and Gault to Thailand, so if this forces one or both of them to leave Thailand it really wouldn't be a bad thing.

Unfortunately about the only interesting thing about Stickman's Weekly column was when he was writing about working in Thailand, which he needed to do with anonymity obviously.

I don't like most of what he writes, I find some of the things he says about Thais distasteful, I have friends who have been impacted by his poor business practices.

I thought the NotStickman posts were entertaining and valuable, a good way of presenting the opposing argument to balance what many of Stickman's readers may have taken as gospel.

However, by posting Stickman's identity, and most likely severely impacting upon his life Gault has shown that he is quite likely a despicable person. The photo's of Gault just proved as much. It was unfair to reveal him, and unfortunately quite likely to be the end of a good debate between the two.

I hope that someone worthwhile get a good rice crop from the added fertilizer provided when Gault's body is dumped in their field.

goofball says:

casanundra......still wondering what your story is, why the big fabrication of a sneaky desk elf.....I'm getting bored with this stick/galt crap, lets hear some more of your ramblings.....Oh what a web you weave !!

deaner says:

So stick gets one small, decent work photo posted about him on the net. I don't think I'd even recognize him if I saw him in person. So What?

On the other hand Summers / Galt gets outed by MS and a bunch of creepy, high resolution photos of him with obvious prostitutes on an organized sex tour come out.

Mmmm... and how Keith still manages to claim the moral high ground on this issue I'll never know.

Since obviously Keith has no problem with people posting photos on the net I've gone and helped him out a bit so that his 15 minutes of fame will continue to bite him in the ass the rest of his life: http://notstickmanbangkok.blogspot.com.

Entertaining boring morons says:

Predator stalks out his prey. Naughty night life for me he says.
Teach a lesson and take. No better but money and girls he wants.
JUST ANOTHER ASS HOLE IN PARADISE!
John Galt? No! Khun Rue Tood Yie

Khon Tamada says:

Either Galt is playing a character or he is seriously delusional. Would hope it's the former.

Stick has/had a huge empire? Using Galt's numbers it would make far more sense for Stickman to quit teaching and focus on nightlife.

Calling his school was the icing on the cake. Like a scorned lover out for revenge.

Prejudicial Terminator says:

Here is what I see: Stickman started a blog (weblog) before such things were mainstream, and developed it over five years. I have met him personally, and he is a polite, friendly, easy-going guy. He delivered value to many satisfed readers, and to a good selection of advertisers - who presumbly interacted with one another. Anyone who did not find the Stickman site content interesting, or the advertised products and services compelling, had only to click onward.

Keith Summers - his entire project had one aim - extortion/blackmail of a modestly successful online businessman. It doesn't matter how he tries to dress it up, he was purely focused upon coercing someone else to take self-damaging action. It is extortion/blackmail - by definition. Threat of exposure - unless you do what I tell you to do. That's blackmail.

I know Stick - he will rebuild out of this, and end up OK. Summers - his character flaws will ultimately destroy him. Emboldened, he will try this same shit on someone else who isn't as benign as Stick - and get his ass handed to him through his teeth. I - for one - would be passing out the popcorn to the audience at the ass-kicking.

Anyone who actively supports the blackmailer becomes part of a raketeering conspiracy. Thai law could give a shit less about cybersquabbles between farangs, in English, on obscure websites. Anyone who thinks othewise is out if touch with reality.

But - the expat community in Thailand is smaller than people think. Anyone planning to live here for the rest of their life should think twice about being branded as a predatory blackmailer.

I have no personal ox being gored in this thing, one way or the the other. I just have an ingrained contempt for bullys, blackmailers, thieves, liars, and extortionists.

Mike says:

Galt/Summers:

So you are 44 and not married. Let me guess: you went over to Thailand because no American woman would ever date you (and don't even bother to lie about this). You then find that with money you can finally get laid. How pathetic. You see Stick with a wife and you get jeolous (don't go into this big thing about sticks business, because anyone who knows anything about business would know that ultimately very little money is made from the arrangements you show, otherwise can you explain to me why the internet bubble, based on the advertising model, burst? On another note, don't you think its ironic that you criticize Stick for being so capitalistic when ultimately its capitalism that is the only way you can get laid?).

Face it, everyone around you is only there because you wave money around. Everyone in your life hates you. I noticed that you didn't even respond to this article in Mango Sauce. I guess you only pick on people you consider weaker. The typical ugly American.

The reason I am posting this is not in defense of Stick. He doesn't matter. What makes me so mad at you is that you make it so hard for the rest of us Americans to be overseas. You really think that after five years you have the right to dictate to people how to behave. That you somehow have the right to judge, even though you yourself are too lazy to actually create anything good or meaningful. Worse, you think that you even have a basic understanding of something as complex as an Asian culture. No wonder Americans are dying in Iraq. Its this lack of understanding of other cultures and sheer arrogance that gets us killed. You are a joke to the people around you. Trust me. Admit it to yourself. It will be the first real step you take in your life.

But hey, I am sure you can pay 1,500 baht for another "virgin" (who wasn't a virgin but you are so arrogant you don't realize how often you are tricked). I am sure she will love you long time. Just hope the money doesn't run out.

tingtawng says:

From Carrie:-

"Hey summers you little fucking pussy cunt. What a fucking loser. YOU CALLED STICK'S BOSS AT WORK????? You are a major creep fucking sick psycho. Are you ready to take on a woman you little fag? I'll be swinging by Thailand again in 8 weeks. You up for a challenge?"

Ahh, I had just forgotten the charming nature of farang women, when you send us all this nice little reminder.

Are the feminists in the west really still playing the victim card? Carrie sounds like a psycho we all need protection from.

Liu Bei says:

Jessse Venturer: "now that I know who the stickman is, if I see him on the street, I might decide to show him my famous wwf move, and teach him a lesson to not lie ever again."

Let's see, your famous move, that's the one where you press square three times then hit triangle, right?

Yeah, that'll show him, Poindexter.

*yawn*

"Onward keyboard warriors, marching as to war..."

Dean Barrett says:

Keith Summers says: "Sorry, but the general public is not responsible enough to know everything." I think it is astounding that this guy could be 44 years old (although he looks 54) and still not realize what an ass he is. Shucks, he's right, though, we of the general public (duh! think Yank in Eugene O'Neill's Hairy Ape)are far too irresponsible to know or to comprehend the many secrets that the Great Galt is privy to; and so it is best to accept only his version of events and let him do the thinking for us. His placing photos of students on his website with bananas and calling the head of Stickman's school were in our best interests, right, Keith? Thank whatever gods may be that we have the Great Galt looking out for our interests! Actually, I think David has done a fine job moderating this and I agree with those who believe that Galt is a narcissistic nutcase who needs help.

Concerned expat says:

As a long term expat,my main concern is how well we are tolerated in Thailand.I can not see anything positive about this dispute for whatever the reasons.
I feel that all these sites cast a more negative shadow over all falang expats living in Thailand,increasing the less tolerant attitude of the Thai Gov't and populace.
As more and more Asian investment and tourists enters Thailand,there will be less need for the falang expat and tourist.
Our image is already soiled enough!Why hasten our departure date by confirming the increasing perception that the falang is unworthy!

Daniel says:

Where's all this stuff about Galt calling Sticks school and posting info about Stick? Where's the big Thursday update?

I don't see it on his site. Has he removed it? It looks like some other posters can't see it either.

? says:

I think I will go and buy one of these Hard Rock Cafe Bangkok shirts. They are getting kind of cult status. Something like the 'scream' mask. I knew that there are some crazy white people around in Thailand, but I never thought it was that bad. Why do we need to ruin eachother? Let the girls ruin us in a much sweeter way.

I laughed a lot when I read that a certain individual sees the Stickman writers as part of the Stickman mafia. He even goes that far and says that one needs a work permit to write a submission on Stick. Interesting thought. Some of the male tourist private parts are working almost around the clock, I suspect that is totally illegal too. Mr. G. please take care of this immediately!

Daniel says:

Nevermind, I found it on his other site.

Slow Learner says:

Good on you Deaner!!!!!! Perfect.

soylent green says:

Galts Thursday site update was a bombshell. Stickman looks like such a dweeb in that picture ! Weird as Gault seemed to me at first, it seems he is at least a legitimate business man. I wonder why stickman enraged him enough to take the time to do all this ? this whole affair is kinda strange.

William Mahanakorn says:

I for one am saddened by Stickman's forced vacation. Reading his column each week was a vicarious and quite harmless walk down memory soi when I too worked and lived in the kingdom. It took many years for Stickman to build the site, and for it to fold in this way is just unacceptable. But then, maybe the times are changing in Thailand. First I watched Trink fold at the Post. Then, the bars started closing early. Then, the military coup. Is the situation "on the ground" really that bad that the farang expats are cannabilizing each other? My hope is that Stickman will re-emerge with his snapshots of one more night in Bangkok.

Entertaining boring morons says:

If you want a long term visa and work permit (5 years) you become a teacher. Now you know why all the perverts teach in Thailand.
If you are a Farang business owner the Thai government shakes you down for taxes every month even if you earn no income. The amount of tax one pays depends on the country they are from (America the most). Then every nine or ten months they make you jump hoops to renew the work permit and visa.
Stickman has been kicking n 200,000 from Pattaya every month from certain elements there so don’t feel sorry for him. Really honestly would you want that pervert teaching your young daughter? I think not!

While we all know certainly Keith Summers is no better person then Stickman he at least isn’t teaching children’s classes.

Jealously is obviously the motivating factor in all of this cheap entertainment.

NEWS FLASH! A big meeting is taking place at the sticks school right now over this whole issue. He has had more then a few disagreements with coworkers too as of late over the stink he brings to school.

raoul says:

John Galt,

My only question for you is why are you letting Whos your Daddy get away with this? To those who know him Whos Your Daddy is far more disgusting and despicable than anyone else involved in this.

Any teacher that teaches by day and screws bar girls by night is not the kind of teacher I want teaching my children when they do if with the frequency that Whos Your Daddy does.

Since you exposed Stick why did you not expose Whos Your Daddy? He is about half of the bar girl investigation scam and any fate that befalls Stick should be slightly worse for Whos Your Daddy.

Will you out Whos Your Daddy in your coming Thursday update? His fellow teachers find him a disgusting hypocrite as he goes into a tirade of quoting scripture and shouts at people when confronted with proof of his nighttime activities.

If you truly care about honesty and integrity Whos Your Daddys picture should be right there even with Stickmans on your web page.

In fairness, don't you think a vote on outing Whos Your Daddy would be the correct move?

raoul says:

Whos Your Daddy,

Well, slimeball, you appear to have gotten away with it for another week. If the Galt does not help you change your life then I guess that I will have to. Your behaviour and actions hurt every single falang in Thailand and I for one think that you have gone far enough.

At this point I feel that I am compelled to do something but I am not sure as yet just what. If Stick has a tax bill from your bar girl investigation scam or any other downside you should share that equally.

Maybe the best thing to do is to let some girls you have been with know where you work. Of course- only girls that there is a reasonable chance have lost income from sponsors due to your bar girl investigation scam.

Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fly says:

So long as everyone is adding their vote for Stick vs. Galt, might as well add my two satang's worth.

If you ask me, both of them are reprehensible. One is using his English teacher position for a work permit and visa so that he can operate apparently unlicenced businesses for which he has no work permit or visa. As well, he has apparently had legal run-ins for selling pirated software.

The other first arrived in Thailand as a sex tourist and apparently calls people such as "Mac Horn" friends. I still remember seeing that weasel on 60 Minutes years ago.

Both help Thai people build and perpetuate a stereotype of westerners. Negative stereotypes. Both help build prejudice with Thai authorities, such as immigration who will no doubt see the legal status of both of these guys as a John Carr-like scheme to remain in Thailand and do things that are hurtful to Thailand's image.

Guys like Stick and Galt come along and create an image of westerners that does none of us long-term western expats any good at all. John Carr had his impact, and I fear that the heightened profile of Stick vs. Galt will have its impact as well.

As for Stick and Galt, I propose that if they are both obeying Thai law to the letter, paying their taxes, working within the scope of their work permits, then leave them alone. But if they are not, I would fully support the guys in brown from Immigration picking both of them up and putting them on a flight back home to their respective countries. And good riddance to them both if that is the case.

DZO says:

This whole shit is getting out of control, NStick needs to take a vaction and get a life

Common Sense says:

Hugs, Hugs, Hugs all around gents, lets have one big group hug and then shut the fuck up. They're both unethical and talentless twats and hopefully fade into obscurity. Now is the time for someone more talented to fill the void and begin a new Thai weblog. I nominate Dicer and Dana.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Arnie says:

HEY SUMMERS YOU PRICK CUNT!

Who is the boyfriend you are jumping up and down on the bed with in Cambodia eh? You look a right couple of gay fucks.

Google keithinasia to those who want to know more.

Derukugi says:

Keith Summers is clearly a psychopath.
I won`t speculate why he started stalking Stick, but from an innocent (and at the time quite funny) start, he has only escalated.
Now that he has killed the Stick site (and thus the reason for his own site`s existance), I wonder what the next escalation is.
As long as this lunatic is on the loose, I think other expats in Thailand better watch out, lest they become the next target for the fatal attraction of this nutcase.

Entertaining boring morons says:

America is full of nut cases (Mr. Bush) just to name one. 95 % are just not right people period. Mass brain washed believing in fake Christian religion. Most men can’t converse outside the latest sports game. Less then 20 % hold a passport.
American fascist government and police state make big stink and we have Keith Summers pop out here n Thailand.

Phew, what’s that smell?

Gases flatulence bubbles pop as fumes rise above the bobbing dark masses floating about in this dark scummy pool.

Hard to get out without slipping back in. The slime coats all and it’s too slippery to grab hold to pull ones self out.

Goat tracks in the slimy mud from those past and some fool flying a kite near by laughs out load and slips in too.

Some rise and sink but the stink is still here.

We wait the time to the pump mans stop.

OldGeezer says:

Dear Keith,

There is no room for your brand of malice. When you are older, you will realise it and hopefully recognise how unimportant it has been, in the overall scheme of things. We all only have one shot, take the Thai road and make the best of it.

Many of us wouldn't be willing put ourselves in the path of scorn, as a cheap shot to bring someone down. This is an American way of thinking, rather than the civilized way.

As sure as there will be sunshine tommorrow, your time will come, the only difference is there will be heaps of people egging yours on.

Most of us can't possibly fathom what is so important, that you bring so much bad fortune upon yourself in the process?

faatm says:

So there seems to be a hell a lot of guys preaching high moral standards who think it's wrong for Stick to be a teacher while having a site that includes a segment on the naughty life ...can I ask how you how stumbled upon MS ? was it as part of a research group with your local church ? or maybe you came across this site doing a google on the latest news regarding your church leader who recently admitted to hiring male prostitutes and buying drugs?? the holier than thou ranting is nothing more than bullshit.
As long as Stick is adept at imparting the skills required to learn , what he does in his own time is none of mine or anybody elses fucking business.
I hope to see his site up and running again one day.
And to all the evangelical hypocrites ...please go back to your redneck backwoods in the mighty U.S.A , vote republican , get sent to Iraq and cop a fucking bullet!!! do us all a favour..
God bless you all

Kasman says:

Lots of whining going on in the latests post for the Stickman supporters? My advice to all of you is get a life, now that stickman site is gone, you have get away from your PC's and live in the real world.

Have a beer, chase some chicks, rejoice in your new found freedom not tied to stickman with a ball and chain.

Rules of the Thai Government are for all of us, and if stickman wants to continue I agree with the poster he should quit his teaching job, apply for a work permit and then see if the Thai Government will grant him one to stay here and carry on with stickman? NOT!

So, follow the rules like we all have to and stick is no exception

Accept the fate your daily fix of bar girl stories and bar reports is gone.

The next best thing is to get off your ass and go out and vistit the girls and the bars for yourself, then you wont need to be reading any stories.

Dont be a whining, pathetic loser. Accept the fact that stickman is gone and move on with your life.

You still have Mangosauce and Notstickman sites and maybe some new sites will pop up? (I think you would have to be demented to try this thought after reading all the psychotic posts here).

You have to admit, Alt did what he said he would do and the guy has some balls for doing this.

Breaking this story has been big news in the farang community so whether you love or hate Galt, even if you dont know him, he has some balls to stick with his own convictions.

Now on the count of three, get up away from your PC, empty out your piggy bank and take what ever baht you have left to the nearest bar and investigate your own story.

I am sure this will be much better than staying and home and reading stickman and jerking off?

Yes, your jerkers know who you are.

Taxpayer in Thailand says:

Fair comment and free access to information are great. However, when you hide behind a cloak of anonymity you lose certain rights. Freedom requires accountability and the Stickman site had not accountability.

Who was harmed by Stickman's site? Legitimate businesses that compete with the unlicensed businesses that Stickman received funds for. Those of us who pay taxes, obtain work permits and try to obey the law in Thailand.

The legal process turns slowly and quietly and then BOOM. The saga is not over yet. I would suggest that Stick remove the illegal businesses that he is currently advertising on his site.

I think Keith is a bit intense, but he had the gumption to make a plan and see it through with intelligence and determination.

Peter Frailer says:

Aside from the outing of Stickman, Galt's latest attempt at explanation of Thai culture to the outside world is laughable.

"If you are a farang and have a girlfriend here in Thailand, you will be expected to set her up with some gold."

Oh yeah, really? Is this all part of the "Tom Cruise Effect" package?

What a joke.

Wombat says:

Well said Nagarjuna. I couldn't have put it better myself.

Would somebody please go & get Jesse Venturer his pills. He must be out of them as he doesn't appear to be taking them at the moment.

In Summers latest vomit he states "Sorry, but the general public is not responsible enough to know everything". I've been wondering if anyone else would pick up on that line. He thinks we are all morons. That means you. Only Summers, with the vast insight into Thailand gained over the last 5 years in his provincial backwater pursuing "virgins" & occassionally hosting sex tours, knows anything. All knowledge you expats have gained over the years is meaningless. Summers knows all. Watch as Summers continues his website & slowly adapts it to follow Stick's. He will establish a revenue stream in order to prop up a business with a small niche market that was bound to fail anyway. Either that or someone smarter than him, which lets face it is most of the population, will set up in opposition to him & do it better & cheaper. I know all about this as I am in my 40's & run a successful ( sorry about that I was beginning to sound like you know who).

If the punch up between Carrie & Summers is a starter is anyone going to run a book on it? I might fancy a wager on Carrie.

Summers when you next go to Pattaya or one of the other nightlife areas for a refreshing coke you might think people are staring at you. You might feel a little uncomfortable. You may even feel your safety is at risk. Guess what? You have bought this on yourself. Hope you enjoy it.

Thankfully I live a long way from Thailand. Where doesn't matter. For those contemplating progressing beyond keyboard warrior allow me to give you the benefit of experience. There are a couple of schools of thought. The first is don't get mad, get even at the first opportunity. I find that is a little bit like Chinese food. Initially fulfilling but a couple of hours later you feel like another course. The second is revenge is a dish best served cold. Carefully planned & organised this can truly be exquisite. The third is hate & wait. Years.

Now for my suggestion. Do nothing. Allow Summers to continue to be the architect of his own destruction. What goes around, comes around. He has been a failure before & will fail again. Why do you think that he chose Thailand as the location to start his business? The nightlife was just a bonus. He couldn't make it in the west. Why does he never fail to mention how successful he is? Why is he touting for investors? I suggest he is struggling. Generally, successful people play their cards close.

Thanks for ruining the enjoyment of a great many people. I look forward to the day in the future when I read about your inevitable demise. Good riddance, arsewipe.

Derukugi says:

Well, high moral standards apply to the Thailand expat scene now, thanks the authority of the self-appointed, judge, jury and executioner Keith Summers.

The Summers supporters better hope they don`t become the next stalking target and lay low.

Of course, for having fun, there is always "Themantours" with their experience local guide, and guess who that is?...

Not The Stupid Psycho Sex Tourist says:

As mentioned earlier, psycho...er... Kieth has clearly crossed another line by calling Stick's place of work.

Bad move, dude. Someone's gonna have you taken out, and it won't be Stick. Don't you realize that you've just pissed off a lot of people who can afford to do so in the country where you are also a guest?

You must be pretty fucking stupid.

Next time I read about one of those 'hands tied behind the back' suicidal jumps from a Pattaya balcony, I'll think of you.

Please stop trying to explain why you fuck with people and simply just stop fucking with people. It may save your life.

Occasional Reader says:

This saga has been quite amusing so far. The sad part is that the better site of the two is off-line now. The Galt site doesn't have a lot of content and is written in horrible English full of mistakes. Please someone offer the man a TEFL course.

Why this vindictive attitude of Galt? The only explanation is that the man is mentally unstable. He surely couldn't give a valid reason why he attacked Stick (his claim that Stickman is a bad internet presence and lies to his readers is pathetic - boohoo, get a life John). I do hope he continues to publish more of his stories, but in better English. Could give us a laugh.

I think a lot of people would have liked Stickman to put up some fight instead of acting like a lamb led to the slaughter. Has he got something in store? Time will tell. In my opinion Stick should have done a pre-emptive self-outing instead of giving the Great Galt (what a nickname to give yourself - the man's clearly a megalomaniac) that pleasure. Putting your name and picture on your site can't hurt that much, can it now?

Now please, let's get on with our lives; this web-soap-opera is getting stale.

Loose Cannon says:

With all the beautiful women in Thailand how come there are so many farang wankers?

What sort of a fucking moron needs Stickman to tell him where to find a root for the night?
Anybody for another story about Joe Twat from Buttfuck, North Dakota getting done by an illiterate peasant from Buri Ram?
Let's not forget about Anon from Scunthorpe running away from his grotesque tub of lard ex-wife & finding true love with Kai of the Nana Plaza.(Dear Mrs Stick - would it be culturally insensitive of me to deduct the bar fine from the Sin Sot payment?)

Don't worry, although Stick has gone for the time being, the e-tard Galt is now dispensing all the advice you will need to find a quality lady, just be careful to make sure she has'nt got a cock.

Stickman & Galt need a good kicking - right up the cunt!

Fun Times says:

Let us all end this nonsense now, and remember that Thailand will always be a complete UTOPIA for fantasy, traveling, fun, dreams, and a brake from western reality.... Regardless of whether Stickman, NotStickman, ect... ever exists again. Everybody on this thread can all agree on this. We DON'T need some stupid website to remind us of the reasons that we originaly came here for. I love my fellow expats and world travelers, just as much as I love our Thai hosts in this immaculate country. We should all be so thankfull....

Harry Barracuda says:

Can someone please explain to me exactly what you see in Dicers lengthy and extremely pretentious drivel?
I've never read such a load of guff in my life.

Casanundra says:

I came into work extra early this morning and bugger me what did I find. Some sneaky house Elf called 'Nobby' was sitting on my computer writing malicious e-mails on behalf of his master Malt boy, the visiting RA lawyers son of the great wizard Galt himself. Aha! I thought, so it wasn’t ‘the lawyer’ doing the writing, it was his house Elf!

What a sneaky so and so he is eh!

I quickly bounced into the office and grabbed the little blighter and twonked him one on the hooter before he could tweak it and disappear, and with a baleful wail he picked up the keyboard and started pounding it with his forehead. Now before I could stop him damaging his legally trained cranium, I happened to notice that my office number and contact details had been banged onto an e-mail and with a final thump and a wallop off went my details to recipients unknown. Damn! Blast and Bugger it!

What could I do?

Later, after giving him a kick in the behind and turfing him out from behind my machine with an order to go and get me some fairy cakes, I managed to work it that I could free the poor Nobby from slavery at the LED mechanics shop and from doing extra work as a slave to the lawyers son Malt boy. So with some well placed knicker elastic that happened to be lying around in my top drawer, I managed to work it that his owner (the lawyer) was able to give him some work to do whilst handing him a piece of clothing at the same time.

Thus so it was that Nobby was freed today from a life of crusading tyranny under the great wizard’s son.

The last I heard was that Nobby had materialised with some well placed flu powder and was last seen merrily skipping away down Soi 4 to spend sometime with his new pals and to do some under cover PI work on behalf of John Galts new PI service which he has introduced to take over the gap filled by the now absent Stick.

In the mean time, ‘the lawyer’ who has gone rather head in the face, first from my kicking him repeatedly in the balls and secondly from losing his house Elf, is now threatening me with all sorts of malodorous revenge and I expect a lawsuit and a submission any day now via MS as he confirms to the world at large that he has great legal prowess and analytical abilities on the issue of copyright infringements caused by the use of material from the Stickman website and for misusing other peoples photos from the Internet without prior permission…

I cannot wait!

Phillippe Bezier says:

Should anyone spot the Summers in Pattaya please arrange for an appropriate "welcome" from a couple of of the locals.
I am more than willing to chip in 10 grand if the damage is commensurate with this amount.
Regards,
Phil

Maniac says:

I figured it out after looking at both guys pics, Stick has got hair, summers doesnot.. That is the reason, besides being the great american web police officer of course...
Summers, get lost somewhere

Loose Cannon says:

Dear Phillippe,
Please transfer B10,000 immediately via Western Union. Wheels of retribution will be set into motion without delay.

Slap an extra 5 grand on and I will do a quick stick investigation of your wife while I am down there. All I need is the bar name & badge number.

Regards
LC

Truth Vader says:

Hey Galt. You outed Stickman's workplace- but how about yours? I thought you were going to keep it balanced.

You called Stick's school- why don't you give me the phone number of your factory, you know, just to prove you're not doing illegal activities.

Fair is fair, right?

Derukugi says:

TruthVader:
Which company do you mean? Both places "AsianSignals" and "The-Man-Tour" are present on the internet and easy to find.
Not having a Thai boss in either, I guess Keith doesn´t mind the bad reputation.
(And what reputation is there to spoil for a sex tour/porn vendor anyway?)

Truth Vader says:

Derukugi- how about the factory contact info where he makes those signals? I'm sure he has told the factory owner about his virgin hunting. And I'm sure he has told all of his office staff about his nocturnal activities too. Just want to check, of course, like he is doing with Stickman. Same logic applies.

Derukugi says:

Truth Vader:
He *is* the company owner, so AsianSignals does not care about his smutty activities. And certainly the sex tour company does not...

I wonder however how he introduced himself when he called his victim`s school: "Hi, I am Keith Summers, sex tour guide for Pattaya, virgin hunter, and porn peddler... and I want to talk to you about moral standards?"
LOL

Phillippe Bezier says:

LC,
I have 50 million dollars in a bank account in Sierra Leone.Please send me your bank details and you can have half.
Honest.
Not sure about the wife thing though, I'm not sure what her number was.

jesse venturer says:

Stick, you really haven't learn anything out of this whole affair, have you?

anyone with half a brain can see that most of these endless string of stickman devotees are actually JUST you.

if you touch one hair of keith summers, I will, ...not MIGHT, show you my famous wwf move.

your mother won't recognize your wimpy face when I'm done with you, little man.

jesus, what a loser. stick. go find a corner and play with yourself. ok? better yet, maybe you should go suck on whosyourdaddy's #ick for comfort like the baby that you are.

..you lost. the score is galt 100, stick ZERO.

LIVE WITH IT!

Jesse

incredible says:

You've just got to laugh.

On the one hand we've got the Galt supporters. Who think such a hoot to watch a complete psycho, go and destroy a mans livelihood.

I wonder what they'd be saying if it happened to them?

Then you have the resident falangs who look down at the Stick because he had the hide to create a sucessful web site which contained, amongst other things, information on the P4P scene.

Obviously these individuals would never do the P4P scene themselves, at least they wouldn't admit to it, after all they only come here for the temples.

By the very fact that they knew about the Stick site, and what it contained obviously means they must have read it.

So where do this fine, upstanding members of the community go to post there views? Why, on another site that has similar information.

The term fucking hypocrites comes to mind.

Nasty Nick says:

I would think that the Japs at Kawasaki are kicing them selves that they did not have the imagination or fore sight to put colour coded side indicators on there super bikes.

At the start of this i was for Gault as i thought the stick had got too big for his boots. Galt went too far when he contacted his place of work. That was out of order and deserves a slap.

Thailand is a small minded country when your back is against the wall. anyone who has been here less than 20 years should not make comment on how things work or how to beat the system.

I only hope that at the end of this the xpats out here could unite as the Thais do when they are in trouble. If we could this would be a better place for many.

the truth is out there says:

This whole saga has kept me and probably many others entertained for a good while now. JG/KS came outta nowhere and shook this place up real good, so some kudos there.
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Stick stuck his head too far over the parapet with that fucking stupid website full of shite, and grassing up our dear bargirls to moron punters, therefore somehow spoiling the natural order of things. Now Keiths head is also above the parapet. Stories like this don't have happy endings.

I would say Keith is either HIV, on the pipe, or Stick shagged his bird. Either way, he is a real loose cannon who seems for whatever reason like he has nothing to lose. It would be quite interesting to know the REAL reasons for this crusade. Keith ?

Logos says:

Here's another pic of the guy on his ebay website
http://www.asiansignals.com/EBayHtml/General/
Options1.htm

Very easy to track down.
I say sink the creep, what he tried to do to Stick is over the top.

faatm says:

Now you guys are starting to talk some sense ...don't knee cap the prick , don't shoot him and leave him to die in a pool of his own piss ,shit and vomit...just get even. Destroy his business while claiming the moral high ground just as he has done.
Without a business in Thailand what would Keith do ? He would have to go back to the land of the scared and home of the naive to resume jerking off.

Liu Bei says:

Quoth the Grate Galt: ""If you are a farang and have a girlfriend here in Thailand, you will be expected to set her up with some gold."

TRANSLATION: If you have a bargirl for a girlfriend here in Thailand, you will be expected to set her up with some gold.

PS Einstein: don't think the Thais at the restaurant or wherever are impressed that you can score a hot chick either, they can spot a bargirl by how she talks.

John Galt says:

You guys are funny. If you told the owner of any company that I work with here in Thailand about my girls -- he would ask me -- "What's your secret?" BUT since he is already Thai, he doesn't need to be told what is natively known to him -- does he now? You guys are so mis-informed. Didn't Stick point some of this out to you? Talking of virgins only insults western women with narrow views.

Tom says:

Summers has outdone himself this week and proved once and for all that he is a born loser. What a sad, pathetic life that man has.

Anonymous says:

Hey Galt...

Whats your secret?

Let me answer that for you: You pay women for sex.

Sorry, but I am not very impressed by that.

Bottom line: your 44, not married, and have to pay people to be around you.

Carrie says:

Hey summers you pathetic cunt. I have given you 24 hours and still you have not responded to my challenge. You little fucking pussy wimp. Still, everyone knew that anyway so no suprise there. Tell you what, to make it interesting I will take on your boyfriend Jessie "I have a chick's name" Venturer after I am done ramming your teeth out your skanky fucking diseased ass. If I lose I strip and run naked through Nana Plaza, BKK, or Walking Street, Pattaya or wherever the fuck we hold this fight, and allow my tits and ass to be slapped by every farang who can get within striking distance. If both you fucks lose you shut up shop and get the fuck out of Thailand and never return EVER. For the record I am not a 'typical farang lard bucket', I am farang woman, but Thai sized, petite, late twenties, larger tits than most Thais and pleasing to the eye.

Either one of you two pussies up for it or are you just lame, blackmailing, pathetic keyboard "warriors" with tiny limp dicks? HUH? C'mon faggie boys - show the farang community what you are made of.

Liu Bei says:

Quoth the Grate Galt: " If you told the owner of any company that I work with here in Thailand about my girls -- he would ask me -- "What's your secret?""

TRANSLATION: Yes, he would ask "what's your secret? why don't you feel like a complete fucktard parading around town with hookers? You don't take them to friggin LUNCH, moron. The whole point of PAYING hookers is so they'll leave when your'e done. I don't understand why you don't just discreetly go to soapies like a sensible Thai guy would, but the upside is that we love laughing at your expense, you desperate little man."

philH says:

So much angst, so little content.

bkkblackmailbiz.com says:

Yes, Keith Summers is ahead of his time. The real business for a farang in Thailand is to blackmail other farangs.

I think he did this to show how lethal his attack can be and how paying a monthly fee to him would be to your advantage. Look how much this is going to cost stick. He should have paid the blackmail.

So that guy who thinks he is secretly checking into Nana will have Summers watching and recording his everymove. One day getting that email to submit to his demands or be outted to his boss and family.

In some parts of the World a guy like this would be wearing cement shoes at the bottom of a lake. Among some BKK expats Summers is a visionary. Just more lambs waiting in line for slaughter by Summers.

Wow, expats in BKK can be screwed by a shrewd Yank like Summers so easily. It is only a matter of time that other people around the World submit like passive lemmings to this type of abuse. Some nationalities are so meek and spineless.

an insider. says:

to incredible:

the reason why the stick got in trouble is because many of the stories he wrote about were based on lies.

when you lie about someone, and the result is physical, and/or financial harm to that person, that is not right.

in the legal world, it is called slander.

this is the type of activity that the stickman was engaging in.

it is understandable that people can make mistakes. you might think that the stick just made mistakes now and then about the info he received.

in cases like these, most entities including newspapers would apologize for the mistaken quotes.

peter jennings is a perfect example of this sort of behavior when he accused bush of some improper behavior that never occurred, and after learning that the information was untrue, apologized.

..but the stick doesn't do this. even if he makes a mistake because of some mis-information that he might have received from someone. he will not change his articles, nor apologize for the mistake made.

this is what separates the stick from many people.

this is what makes him evil.

if you can't see this, then, you are either in the same camp, or just stupid.

Derukugi says:

Faatm:
[[Without a business in Thailand what would Keith do ? ]]

What business? If you torpedo his e-bay sales of unapproved Kawasaki accessories, he still has his job as sex tour guide for "The_man_tour". And we don't even know what his main income source is.
Remember that this vendetta started when Stick wrote unfavourably about one of his Pattaya clients?

Dizz says:

Comments against monkey summers have
been made already, and repeating vomit
is only redux crap. The only positive
direction is to comment on other matters
mentioned.
I am a Yank and find offense, and low
I.Q. measure from those attacking my native land.
I hate small man Bush, and what he has
done to my country. So those who paint
with a big brush, are big idiots, with
small pea brains.
Stick brought something to the community: entertaining stories from
OTHERS. Now as to his being a teacher
who dares engage in bar scene swings.
I see nothing wrong in this behavior,
and then teaching. Have we not seen
what happens when repression of natural
desires of a healthy kind are instituted? Does the mention of Catholic priest scandals involving
children ring a sharp bell?
What one does in private involving
consensual relationships that are
LEGAL should not impact one's job.
Do we not realize that some of our
greatest people have had fillies
on the side? Thomas Jefferson, Kennedy,
FDR, etc., etc.,
So those posting here complaining of
Stick not being good enough morally
to teach, are morons in monkey cages.
Ok. Sorry about that. I just hate to
see people posing their moral superiority. Like hypocrite Bush.
Thinking my posting, I wonder why I
keep using animal comparisons.
Course, I like to think of myself as
a tiger. (Yeh, right. Perhaps,
Dizz...physician, heal yourself).
Hmmmm. Now I am talking to myself.
Perhaps I need a little something
from the feline kind found in Nana
Plaza myself. (First word of pussy cat).
See what happens with not getting
it.
So those who are getting it: Good
for you, as long as no one is getting
hurt.
---Dizz

Handbags at Dawn says:

Here's a story from the UK newspaper The Daily Telegraph about how an Internet argument escalated to a physical assault with a pickaxe handle and a machete, perhaps people should calm down a bit?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2006/11/17/uwebrage117.xml

moss says:

"I would say Keith is either HIV, on the pipe..."

I was going to guess he's on the pipe too!

I seen several of this guy's type over there...their greatest danger is always to themselves. It's an incredibly small world, mr. summers, once you've actually been around it.

Anonymous says:

I dont understand why anybody would go to such lengths to harm someone elses reputation on the web. I have always found Stickmans site a worthwhile read (especially for a newbie) & appreciate all the info he has made available. This 'galt' person needs therapy as he comes across as someone seriously unhinged, actually he comes across as such a crackpot he may struggle to even find a lady in Thailand which was obviously his reason for moving here.
I wonder if that deep down he truly knows he is an insignificant insecure tool & thats what really got to him?

Baader meinhof

goofball says:

Casunundra.....wow,I think you've had too many magic bullturd flavored jellybeans!!
Keep em comin' dig yourself deeper!!

Davey says:

Stickman sure looks older in that photo than the mid thirties man that he is. Then again, it is only a photo and everyone has good and bad photos.

dont like twerps like Keith says:

I thought Stick was an internet pioneer?
A trailblazer.
I read his site several times over the years. It was OK. Nothing to get excited about.
He stayed at it and apparently the hard work was starting to pay off.
It's disusting that some blow-hard like Keith Summers, Sex Tourist Guide, Virgin Stalker, can come along and disrupt someones longterm efforts.

I will be pleased to hear when somthing bad happens to this jerk.
Sooner the better.

Thaihome says:

Anybody else notice this mess had a small mention in Friday's Guru?
TH

Derukugi says:

Now that Summers has taken out Stick (and therefore the raison d'etre for his parasitic site), let`s see who he will go after next.

Truth Vader says:

Galt, thanks for your reply.

If you think the owner of the factory where you make your products would 'ask you for your secret' if he knew of your virgin hunting, then it should be no problem for you to let us know exactly where that is.

After all, you specifically named the exact location of where Stick works and even tried to call his boss. But for you, you only named products you make- you neglected to tell us where your workplace is.

So why don't you let us speak to the factory owner just like you tried to talk with Stick's boss? No harm, right?

faatm says:

So does anybody have any idea who Stickboy is ??

http://www.stickboybangkok.com/

Now this should be interesting !!

--------------

Hi faatm

Mango Sauce ad sales are handled by a third party - AdBrite/AVN - so I've no idea who Stickboy is but, like you, I'm curious.

Regards
David

Anonymous says:

Nice to know that anytime in the future, someone Googles, Keith Summers, they will see he is not well liked in Thailand and is a Sex Tour Guide.
This will follow him forever. Good.

Keith Summers Asiancycle Keithinasia Sex Tour Bangkok Thailand Pedophile Ebay Turn Signals Kawasaki Ninja AsianSignals.com NotStickmanBangkok.com

Wombat says:

Would anyone be at all suprised if it turns out to be Summers new site? The parasite has killed off his host. Now he needs a new forum. The grate galt was going to wither away. He needs to promote his sex tour business & try to get investors for his legitimate front. Then there is his deep seated insecurity which explains his constant references to how successful he is & his bragging about virgins. Noticed how he doesn't address these issues? I don't think they are going away little man no matter how much you want them to.

Hopefully I am wrong & this site has nothing to do with Summers. Hopefully it will be similar to Stick's with many of the sections I enjoyed.

Carrie if the above posts are correct you had better be careful if you have that punch up with Summers. Don't want to catch anything. Though I suspect he is terrified of western women. They have been laughing at him & rejecting him all his life. That is probably how he became a stalker in the first place. As for Jesse he will eventually take his pills & get on with his homework.

Mike says:

Galt/Summers:

I think that Thai person would not say in a serious tone "what's your secret." I doubt he cares about you at all. You aren't a threat to any "sweet" women. Anyone with money can get a "sour" woman, and the Thai men are more than happy to let you have them. It helps spread the wealth.

Just don't confuse his reaction with respect. You are not a real man. Traveling all the way to Thailand hasn't changed this as the Thais can see it too. That is why you are 44 and unmarried.

But hey, you have been there five whole years. You're the great expert, right? Everyone loves Summers, right? Are you so sure?

Benny the Pen says:

Finally we have got rid of Stickman's ghastly readers' submissions. Let's hope they stay gone forever. If this Stickboy has had them handed down from Stickman then I almost hope NotStickman will turn his attention to this relationship and hunt down and take out Stickboy as well. Those readers' submissions were pure trash - some of the worst bullshit written by expats and idiotic sex tourists.
Fact is that clever people can make relationships with Thai women work and idiots can't - simple as. Stickman's greatest sin was to become a publishing sewer for the worst losers to visit Thailand. he should have used his intelligence to tell most of the submitters to his site to stop pitying themselves - instead he just gave encouragement to a load of self-wallowing pity and fuelled prejudice against Thai women. The best women in the world!
Don't feel sorry for this sleazebag!

Jack Wow says:

Summers: Did you test positive using one of stick's kits? ;)

Looking forward to the Son of Stick. I just hope it has another angle other than bitching about somebody else.

This is making me sick says:

Also just noticed 'stickboybangkok', I checked and it seems with a very high propability, that the site is related to Mr.Summers, and it was started in June already. So maybe the whole thing is just a hijack.

Sense says:

This is the story of tradgey and sadness Thailand a once place of mystery made into a 'mind' hell hole by ego on one side and a naive pseudo expert and a demom and true advocate
of jealousy on the other, my god what a
world, what low misery do people harbour!
Worse, what do they aspire to?

Liu Bei says:

wombat: "As for Jesse he will eventually take his pills & get on with his homework."

Ritalin?

Concerned For All... says:

Hi Folks -

I wanted to check in and let you know all is going well and the most shocking news is yet to come. Stay tuned to your media sources starting the middle of next week.

Keith Summers was just too fucking stupid to listen.

No need to be concerned any longer.

Occasional Reader says:

The domain name stickboybangkok.com was registered with Go Daddy.

Could've been done by anyone, but guess who the notstickmanbangkok.com was registered with? Right, Go Daddy.

Launch date of stickboybangkok.com is Nov 20. Two more days to go.

Just wondering.

Derukugi says:

[[[I almost hope NotStickman will turn his attention to this relationship and hunt down and take out Stickboy as well. Those readers' submissions were pure trash - some of the worst bullshit written by expats and idiotic sex tourists.]]]

Err... OK, but Galt/Summers is a sex tourist and now sex tourist guide himself. And sorry, his own articles on his site represent the worst bullshit too, so your point is?

Derukugi says:

By the way, is it just me, or has Keith Summers disappeared from the photo section of "The Man Tour"?
I wonder why...

hillbilly says:

I give a shit one way or the other.

The facts are such. Stickman made money, Thais made money, but not enough obviously.

Galt made? Thais made?

BTW, my wife sells AIA life insurance...

Talok says:

All this is just classic symptomatic...

any man or woman who is sane and content with him/herself would NEVER go through such 'sophisticated' (self-inflicted sophistication, mind you, all the means, arguments and surrounding backgrounds are quite self-destructive to the very same lone 'quest' its on) attempts to put so much negative attention to people outside themselves. We are witnessing some very severe case of insecurity, lack of maturity in dealing with own problems & people, and compensating the self-problems targeting factors outside itself for the inabilyty to cope and in denail. It doesn't want to deal with itself.

It will NEVER aknowledege (although aware of it, and therefore - paradoxially - more persistant) how rediculously it is behaving to the outside world it very tries to defame.

Until it becomes cornered and drowns in its own mounted problems when the divertions have no more effect. Its a leathal self-destructive path people can be on and i sincerery hope this individual 'Summers' seeks professional help (or is forced to seek) before its too late.

Summers, my heart goes out to people that are hardly ever able to have any real 1-on-1 conversations and relationships and need to spend their time buying sex on sex-tours and disgruntled heartedly lash out resultless at other people, while my body will be crossing the street in avoidance of you.

charging it: remeber deranged serial killer in Red Dragon smashing mirrors...

keyword says:

Keith Summers Sex Tour Bangkok Thailand Keithinasia Pedophile NotStickmanBangkok Ebay Asiancycle Turn Signals Kawasaki AsianSignals.com

Entertaining boring morons says:

You probably all guessed it but just in case not, the Stickman was fired from his teaching job Friday. Congratulations Mr. Summers, job well done. Now go and hide!
I’m sure you squeezed your sleazy self out of Thailand by now.

People like Stickman and Keith Summers are not what Thailand needs or wants.

Now for the other sick like minded; keep your trashy self at home in your own country don’t bring it to Thailand. It is not a matter of hypocrite, because you have a sick mind doesn’t mean everyone else does. Thailand is a Buddhist country and just tolerant of you perverts coming here.

grok says:

"The domain name stickboybangkok.com was registered with Go Daddy"

Also they both use gmail. Got to be the same guy.

My guess is he's painted himself into a corner with NotStickman and now wants a fresh start where he will concentrate more on being a Stickman replacement instead of a Stickman critic.

Given that he registered the domain name in June it must all be part of his evil master plan to take over Stickman's empire

Muuhaahaa muuhaahaa ... (Dr Evil type laugh)

Bruno says:

David, It would be interesting if you could get another post-outing interview with Stickman. We would like to hear what he thinks about Summer's latest column. Cheers.

Mrs Jardine says:

C'mon...has Stick really been fired? Or is this the same reliable source of information that proclaimed Stick & Summers were old Kiwi class buddies fighting over the same girl (see thaivisa.com).

If the firing behviour is actually true, then I'm very, very sorry. Even as one of those hated farang females, I enjoyed Stick's site immensely and will miss it accordingly.

What I DO find bizarre is that nobody has conjectured on how much this might also affect Mrs Stick. I suspect she may be getting equally crappy repercussions from the whole thing and that's just plain wrong.

Mrs J

Er says:

Well, it looks like Keith was energized and excited by his first foray into Thailand to the extent that he managed to start up a small factory - most guys just drown themeselves in beer and angst after dealing with b-gals - and which is further transforming itself with new products.

This is pretty much the kind of business Thailand should be encouraging, and I am sure the Thais working for Keith are not complaining about having a nice job by Thai standards (okay being paid a pittance by Western standards but that is not really relavant).

Why exactly he decided to attack Stick is not clear but Stick managed to piss off a lot of people by completely ignoring them (seems that if he does not want to grapple with something he just ignores it) and we have some connection with dark elements who run and over the last five years have had a large hand in ruining the nightlife scene in Thailand.

One also suspects that Stick's wife with be heaving a sigh of relief now that he has no excuse to go anywhere near the nightlife scene. BUT can he keep away?

If Keith is at a loss for something to investigate he might like to turn his mind to the private sex parties that the bosses in Nana like to throw for their bigger spending patrons - not that Stick or even Trink would ever have attended one; perish the thought - rumoured to have been filmed in secret BTW! And feature girls too young to work in the bars.

Half Man Half Goat says:

The strains of working a full-time job and trying to run a website at the same time have taken their toll on me and I have decided to take a break from the site for a short while to concentrate on my teaching. The break is needed....but it is not permanent.

Stick's changed his welcome message. So will he be back and when?

I wonder if it is possible to buy something from Keith's ebay site and use the feedback to out him as a paedophile and reference his shitty website on thailand. Just a thought...

By the way, it looks like this moral crusading is infectious...EBM has a wild hair up his ass too now

Very sad indeed

bkkred says:

Summers latest misive informs us of the 'real' reason for his site i.e. to promote his business to readers.Its a bit like watching the Bush white house trying to justify the Iraq war,its WMD's...er no its Saddam...er we are changing the staus quo....er, etc etc.
He will of course have to promote it through a new site.Who in the name of all that is holy would invest in a business based on the information given on his site.This,if I'm not mistaken is 'business guru' keith's model of e- business promotion,
Firstly I devote most of the site to a vindictive diatribe,full of messianic portents of doom , against another web master based on reasons that no one, even now, can assertain.
Then I promote a sleazy sex tour company and openly admit I pay women for sex.
Next I post articles boasting about my middle aged,balding and equally sleazy conquests of virgins and how I dishonestly stalk girls around my town looking to fill them with my psyco-sperms while no doupt promising to phone them in the morning.
Finally after trawling through all this I offer a lesson in morality,'honesty in business'etc and ask for cash to invest in some rather hazy project,involving electronic somethings and indicator lights 'that are the same colour as the rest of your bike'....HELLS BELLS THATS INNOVATION FOR YOU!
This is someone who is offering a column on business tips by the way,which the last time I looked was a little light (sorry, Keiths no doupt been busy paying girls 20 years his junior for sex,trying to cop off with the neighbourhood virgins and running a hate campaign,in between showing stupid tourists where to get 'it' in Pattaya).
Still In the interests of fairness and honesty,virtues Mr Summers feels are so important, I feel a site along the lines of 'Anyone who is thinking of investing with a man called Keith Summmers,Asian Signals etc etc maybe they should take a look at this' and simply a link to his site and this MS posting...dont worry Ive no doupt there are dozens of copies of his ramblings being saved just in case Keith does a 'net runner'.
Keith now has lots of 'fans' who will, no doupt, follow him around on the net where ever he decides to go, so if he changes to the manufacture of rubbber dog shit keyrings and gets plugs and a moustache, Keith will no doupt let us know so confident is he in both his honesty and integrity.Frankly I'm thinking of showing some interest in one of Keiths investment oppertunities so I can meet him and laugh untill my pants fill with urine! Anybody else think this is a good idea?
How about 'Ventura' and 'Graf' put their money where their mouths are and get involved in one of Keiths projects...seeing as you love him so much!
Or maybe you dont want Keithy's 'Man Love' after all...Keith will be very dissapointed.Go on Keith ask them, at least you will know if they are true advocates of 'the cause'...remember Keith 'there are traitors everywhere!'and its your duty to find them out.

Time goes on... says:

I made my way through this post enthralled. Someone should get the movie rights over this. Will one of the lawyers explain the legalities behind making a movie?

Entertaining boring morons says:

Yes, True the Stick was canned not only that he previously sold his web site business.

One must also think the Sticks wife lost face big time over all of this too.

Although one should not feel sorry. People must understand when they make a living on others misery it will come right back around and nip them in the back side.

Really! “What comes around goes around”, one way of saying it.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if both Stickman and Keith Summers get expelled and black listed from Thailand. Now I don’t know but it would be a good guess one or the other is already gone. No problem, when he tries to get back in he may find a surprise at the immigration counter. We can only hope!

Maybe Mr. Stick can pick up on his master studies somewhere else where they like perverts. I would think his teaching days are finished here now because he is most likely on the pervert teacher do not hire list. Oh well, never mind, he can pick up his masters over there on Kal San Road and go teach in China.

Derukugi says:

Man/Goat:
[[I wonder if it is possible to buy something from Keith's ebay site and use the feedback to out him as a paedophile and reference his shitty website on thailand. Just a thought...]]

It is certainly possible to buy his Kawasaki flashlights on E-bay and leave a negative comment. How many Kawasaki lights do you need?
In all fairness, I have not seen an indication that Summers is a pedophile. What we do know is that he likes virgins ("the holy grail" -- in one of his examples of good writing), and that he acts as a tout and tour guide for a sex tour company (while lecturing about morality...).

bkkred says:

Just had a look at the 'stickboy' sight.Pure Summers me thinks...despite the reference to the 'boy' part(Oh HOW ironic Keith),the headline is amateurish crap,folowed by nasty,pathetic attention grab, crossed through dateline, but the confirmation lies in the words....'lets say November 20th'.
Keith is once again tantilising us.Its the'I will put out breadcrumbs for you' quote on his original site.Kiethy you great big teaser...tell us more great Guru,your net lemmings await!
Pure Summers at his ultra vain, attention seeking worst.
Give it a miss.

John Galt says:

David, Why don't you clean things up a bit. That prevous post signed Keith Summers is certainly not from me. People are just running off with your web site. Everyone is entitled their their opinion but you should weed out malicious comments.

--------------

Ok, I've removed it - David

Dean Barrett says:

No, Stickman has not been fired and Concerned for All is correct: Keith Summers went looking for trouble and he shall find it. The end AKA exciting denouement is near. Do not attempt to adjust your set or call the station.

And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That spoke with us upon the Summers of our discontent.

With apologies to Henry V

Have a nice weekend.

Wombat says:

Oh Wombat, it is not often you are wrong but it appears you are right again. I refer you to my post from 9/11/06 when I stated "Lots of naked emotion here but I can't help thinking that people are missing the point. Is not Galt/Summers seeking advertising & letting it be known that he will be seeking investors in his business? How long before those advertisers are asked to part with money? A takeover by kicking the door down & not a very subtle one at that."

If Stickboy turns out to be Summers no need to feel embarrassed. Look for lots of submissions from Keith Graf or Summer Graf.

Jesse, keep taking those pills & do your homework & when you are old enough someone will explain to you what this was all about.

Just a question for those moralists who prattle on about the naughty nightlife & the readers submissions on Stick's site. How do you know so much about it?

Er says:

Surely one point is that you can't teach at a prestigious Thai school and at the same time run a nightlife website. Nor if you are married to one of those elusive good thai girls be taking her within a mile of the nightlife scene. Whereas there is no problem running a factory and going after girls half your age if you are single. Totally different circumstances, get your heads around that.

Benny the Pen says:

A poster calling himself Stickman - on a forum closely related to Stickman's website - has said that the Stickman site will have limited content until the end of this year. The readers' submissions will be transferred to two of Stickman's friends (regular submitters) who will keep the readers submissions published during this period. Stickman's site will return in a new format in the new year.
Latest on the grapevine it seems.

Kasman says:

Who is this Dean Barrett guy? Christ the way he defends Stickman, Barrett must have a bone for him.

All these threats here for retaliation, I think everyone here would tread pretty lightly.

Walk in the grass in Thailand, you never know what you might step on?

It might be a big pile of cow shit or it might be a Cobra.

Unless you are THE POWER, better hope for the cow Shit, it won't hurt as much as the Cobra that is for sure.

All expat's should remove themselves from any threatening action. Imagine something happening to someone and the authorities digging up all these people threatening harm?

There is one hell of a website about all the expats in the Bangkok Jails and if you have ever taken the time to visit one and talk to a farang prisoner, you would steer way clear of anything that might get you crossed with the law.

This was Stickman and Galt, it appears no laws were broken to get either one tossed, so the rest of you need to find some new entertainment and something new to read.

This is the internet for Christ's sake.

It is certainly not life or death.

I wish I had 100 baht for everytime I was wronged here in Thailand by someone.

Things happen if life, and this was destined to happen. We all have a course charted in life and "What will be, will be" there is no altering destiny.

Believe it.

From the 5 Reiki Principles we take # 1 which states "Just for Today, I will not be angry"

and #5 "Just for today, I will be kind to every living thing"

This includes Stickman and Galt.

Stickman is smart enough to recover and cover his ass in all directions, the right way to stay in business here.

In the meantime, nobody panic and have withdrawal spells. In the event you do, run as fast as you can to the nearest gogo bar, drink about 10 beers as fast as you can, then grab the ugliest girl you can find (Hint: After 10 beers they will all look like Miss Thailand), run, do not walk, to the nearest short time hotel, then follow everything you learned on Stickman over the years.

That should hold you over until Stickman returns in force.

Half Man Half Goat says:

Just for today, I will be kind to every living thing (except Keith Summers.)

Just for today, i wiil pretend I am Budddha.

Just for today, I will zzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus, what would these sites be like if we were all agreeable, supportive and 'nice'?

Very dull, is what.

It's human nature.

Believe it.

Are destiiny's child still making a comeback?

Anonymous says:

derukugi: "By the way, is it just me, or has Keith Summers disappeared from the photo section of "The Man Tour"?"

Click the link at the top of the page, his pictures are still there.

If either Stickman or Stalkman were to meet with a violent end for any reason, I have to wonder if all these keyboard warriors had the sense to do their puffing up from a net cafe or proxy, or if they left a trail little poops in the form of their IP address leading to their door...

Also wondering if they have Jesse 'Venturer's' famous move on the new ps3 yet, that square square square triangle may sell a few overpriced game systems if it's all that.

"Onward keyboard warriors, marching as to war..."

dont like keith says:

You can screw with his ebay account and leave a negative feedback.
The danger is a retaliation negative by Keith.
The trick is to wait 89 days then blast him with bad feedback.
After 90 days the system is closed.
YES, NEGATIVE FEEDBACK will hurt his sales.
Look for asiancycle on EBAY.

Investigation of Keith under way. Good. says:

Keith Summers is being investigated by several reporters and hopefully some authorities that I have contacted.
Meanwhile, Stck is offline and has a prestigious teaching career.
Looks like Virgin Stalker, Sex Tour Guide, Keith Summers os asiansignals will reap the rewards of his vindictive efforts.
I dont know either person involved but do not like people like Keith Summers.

Occasional Reader says:

If any of you Stickman's addicts want to read the stories published up to August 16, that's still possible.

Remember, the Web never forgets!

Watchdog says:

Summers is trying to pull off one of the oldest scams.

Assemble a business that appears to have substance and structure and needs some seed money to take off. Lure in unsuspecting investors by the dozens and then skip out pointing the finger at others.

Sell everyone a piece of the action thinking they can move to Thailand and just count the money as it rolls in while taking in the nightlife 24/7.

Obviously he has too much ego to pull this off, although he has all the right pieces in place. Hookup with this Man Tour/Sextour business to bring in the pidgeons. Show them his operation and how he is ready to make a fortune with some financial backing. Suck these poor sex tourists out of their last dollar as he hooks them up with young Thai girls and builds their confidence.

He obviously learned the scam during the dot com hey day and may have been stung himself. Southern California was a hotbed for these type of scams with Ivy League Bankers and wanna be millionaires taken to the cleaners like lemmings.

In six months he'll show up in the PI or maybe Macau trying to regroup. It's going to be hard to find fat pidgeons with all this chatter.

Derukugi says:

Kasman,
Dean Barret (assuming the poster here is the real one) is a pretty well-known writer based in BKK. Google is your friend.
And no, I don`t think he has been particularly "defending" Stickman; I think he kept a pretty even mind.

What I continue not to get is how you people put Stick and his stalker on the same level. Are you really not able to see the difference between an attacker and his victim?
Stick minded his own business; noboby forced you to read his site. Summers made it his business to stalk and attack Stickman. That is NOT same by any standard. What is so hard to understand there?

keithyoumoron says:

"Man/Goat:
[[I wonder if it is possible to buy something from Keith's ebay site and use the feedback to out him as a paedophile and reference his shitty website on thailand. Just a thought...]]"

You don't even have to actually pay for the thing to leave feedback on ebay - winning it is enough. It's dead simple to start up multiple accounts on ebay and what do you care if he leaves you reciprocal feedback. Keith has gone too far something should be done to make him pay....

nagarjuna says:

Those of you who say that Stickman deserved to be outed because he posted salacious material about the naughty nightlife when not at his day job teaching children might have a compelling argument if you could prove that he ever acted inappropriately with any of his students. But I've never heard so much as a peep of even the most unsubstantiated rumor that he has ever acted in less than a thoroughly professional and upstanding manner in his teaching capacity.

Those of you who say that Stickman's outing is no big deal couldn't be more mistaken. "John Galt" was totally and completely wrong to take it upon himself to act as he has and cause the damage that he's done to another's happiness and livelihood, and you who dismiss it as unimportant give pathetic license to more of the same.

It's time for all with any sense of propriety and justice to stop making excuses for "Galt" or making light of his outrageous actions and stand up and roundly denounce "John Galt" and his despicable conduct and let him and everyone else know that such conduct will not be tolerated and that those who perpetrate it will be given no quarter.

Anything less than this is a travesty of decency and justice.

not Imtiaz Muqbil says:

Kasman

Like Stickman, Dean Barrett, (Dean Barrett)is yet another one of the Bangkok expat community's many self-promoted embarrassments: Another full time American short-time whoreguru who has attempted to "Disney" Thailand's bar scene.

(Obsequiously I fully admit, and for obvious reasons I do not include Khun Dave, originator of the excellent, well- written, truly witty Mangosauce in this list.)

While The Stick's whopper relating how he got that "Stickman" moniker is right up there with the old "the dog ate my homework" story, Barrett choses to slather his own dreary missives from the sad world of Thai prostitution with generous dollops of literary pretense. (See Richard III ref. above and think Christopher Moore + editor + Bartlett's Quotations + bullshit.)

Barrett's resulting narcissistic drivel is even more boring than the bulk of Stickman's tragic Reader's Submissions but the typing of it usually keeps Barrett from commenting on more serious matters; American foreign policy for example.

With something to say on just about every subject, Barrett often feels compelled to join the ranks of local blowhards John Arnone and Bill Cymbalski in the letters section of the Bangkok Post or the Nation.

It is here, marshalling a persuasive disregard for the facts and a flair for racial hatred akin to the barstool skills of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter et al. that Barrett shows his hand.

Stay in the brothels, Dean.
Perv the department stores and the BTS and wherever else you find productive.
Do what you do best.
Your expertise begins and ends there.

Please leave serious comment of the things that really matter to those with the background and education to ad something to the debate.

I hope this has been of some help, Khun Kasman.

taxpayerinthailand says:

"Are you really not able to see the difference between an attacker and his victim?...
Stick minded his own business; noboby forced you to read his site."

Stickman began interfering with other people's business the moment he began running and advertising illegal (non-taxpaying, no work permit, libelous) businesses that competed with legitimate tax-paying businesses.

What is amazing (and very incautious) is that Stickman is still doing it even in his scaled down sites.

Derukugi says:

Taxpayerinthailand:
No. You are playing with words here. Stick never attacked any person by name, never posted any insulting photos, never called anybody`s employer.
And very certainly Stick did not tout sex tours for fat American tourists. (How legal is "Themantour" anyway?)

NB: I assume you are Keith Summers? Stop trying to find excuses.

Bukseeda says:

Boo Hoo, Poor innocent Stick has been picked on by a wannabe Thai-expert.
Get over it Stick.
My advice to you is to ignore Galt and keep doing what you have been doing or piss off back to NZ like you have been hinting for so long....

Davey says:

People who are trying to somehow connect Keith Summers with pedophilia: I really think that it is wrong to do this. Very wrong. Whatever you might think of Keith's actions, there is no evidence that he is a pedo, so why are you trying to label him as one?

How would you like it if you and someone got into a fight and that someone tried to label you as a pedo?

Two wrongs don't make a right,

---------------

Hi Davey

I agree. Keith's seeking out of young virgins merely hints at paedophilia. It proves nothing.

I would ask contributors to either stick to the facts or make it clear when they're indulging in conjecture.

Regards
David

Dizz says:

Stupid and junk mouth attack upon Dean
Barrett- product of an obviously
jealous mind. As one who has been the
object of jealousies in my life, it
is all apparent that the monkey mouthings against the Stick and Mr.
Barrett are the ravings of someone hovering in a dark cavelike apartment
somewhere, bitter and discontent, who
is of the class(less) sort who joys
only in bringing down someone to make
themselves feel better-read- "bitter
better"-worse.
Some say leave these web weavers of
deceit crap carpings alone-ignore-
but I think it is better to draw quarter
against them.
We have all lost voices that entertain
and inform to those who censor, because
the squalid shite suckers have nothing to offer, only moral pretense; that is they pretend, for they shoot hypocisy.
So Stick and Dean, please know that most of us do value your worth, and
do not let bottom feeders hinder your
future good moves.
---Dizz

Bose says:

Designing and manufacturing electronic stuff in Asia involves a lot of physical work, and selling them through ebay, the pay should not be too good, and the Chinese are a tough competition...

At his age, Summers dreamt of a less tedious life. Sitting on his chair all day reading others submissions, and smelling beavers at night... and still earning his estimated 200 grands per month like Stickman, it was his ultimate dream.

Instead of working hard en route, he took the short cut piggyback ride on Stickman. There was jealousy, there was ambition, and there was the Mark Chapman effect to justify his actions to his own conscience.

Bank robber's brain I would say. The bank robs money from its customers (as interest), so lets go and rob a bank.

Geoff says:

Oh yes the plot thickens....although a quick peek at the HTML coding for JohnGaltThailand.com and Asiansignals.com as compared to Stickboybangkok.com leads one to believe that they are not from the same people. Both of the known Keith Summers sites (as well as Stickmanbangkok.com for that matter) are Frontpage products. Stickboy has no named generator, who knows maybe this new dog in the fight is someone who can actually write HTML. Plus a different Google analytics account number..... I think it is obvious that neither Stick nor Keith has enough interest in HTML to comb through the code and erase potential clues.

Bruce Kramer says:

I have been reading about the Stickman/Galt face/off on this site for a while now. I think Stickman's site is too one-sided in the view it tries to give of Thailand and relationships with Thai women.
However, I cannot say that I totally agree with Galt's tactics in attacking Stickman. There are other ways that the views and stereotypes that the Stickman site propagates can be opposed. One such site is Thaifarang.co.uk, which seems to be in opposition to Stickman, but it never goes for the man - rather the issue . . .

Anonymous says:

Derukugi:

No, I am not Keith Summers. I do not hate Stickman and would not normally be offended by him or his web site. I also would not normally have a problem with foreigners running businesses illegally in Thailand.

However, if they do run illegal businesses in Thailand they should stick to the black market and not compete directly with legitimate businesses.

I looked at the article about Eden Club and there were a few on Stickman's site, many favorable, but one quite clearly implied the owner of having two way mirrors and recording the action. The Eden Club is not my cup of tea, but if I was the owner I would be very pissed.

There were also a number of derogatory comments about Thailand culture and people on the site.

I think Stickman is probably a fairly decent guy underneath it all, but he was and is playing with fire and it is catching up with him.

He should learn from this and get on with his life. The first step would be do to stop running and promoting illegal businesses in Thailand. After all of this trauma, he still has not fully corrected his behavior.

There are quite a few other people who have been offended and injured besides Keith Summers and Eden Club.

Occasional Reader says:

Hi Mister Summrs,

Let me ask you, why did you have your photos removed from themantour.com sex tour website?

Too embarrassed to be seen with a couple of ladies of the night? It's a bit late to do a web runner now yourself, isn't it?

Also, could you update that amateur site of yours a bit more frequently. There isn't that much worthwhile reading on it. And pleas remove the spelling erors, their embarasing you no (sic).

Derukugi says:

Anonymous:
[[There are quite a few other people who have been offended and injured besides Keith Summers and Eden Club.]]

I have not been a regular Stick reader, so I take your word for it that "Eden Club" was offended by Stick. However, I think that would be something for Eden Club to deal with.
But where in the world has has Keith Summers been "offended" by Stick?
From reading the diatribes on Summer`s site and the comments here, the only possible incidents I can see are 1. that Stick did not want to visit Summers on one of his sex tours and 2. Stick wrote something unfavourable about a Summers sex tour client called "Club Boesche".
Is that it?
Is that in your mind reason for personal vendetta including calls to an employer?
Or am I missing something? Where in the world is Keith Summers a victim here??

Phillippe Bezier says:

"All expat's should remove themselves from any threatening action. Imagine something happening to someone and the authorities digging up all these people threatening harm?"

Not everyone is dumb enough to leave a trail going right back to their front door......

Your never heard of NAT? Proxies?

Or NAT'ed proxies?

When Summers gets a beating, he won't have a f**king clue where it came from, only why

Geoff says:

Occasional Reader,

Strange (and somewhat disturbing) that you are spending your time going back to look for Keith's ManTour pics again, when instead you should be reviewing the appropriate use of the parenthetical notation (sic.)

Ping Pong Banana No Cover Charge says:

'why did you have your photos removed from themantour.com sex tour website?'

Only the thumbnails are removed. If you use the google cache thumbnail page the full resolution photos are still downloadable.

A Thai Girl says:

Stick,

As a Thai, I quite enjoyed your readers' submissions section. It was interesting and entertaining to read the stories. When I was a student in Thailand, I knew that the bars and nightlight scenes did exist, but I did not know where they actually were or what the customers did in the bars. Stick's site really opened my eyes and I realized that most farang guys come to Thailand in the first place because of Thai women. I become more careful to get to know farang guys, because I don't want to have a sex tourist as a boyfriend. Fortunately, my boyfriend's never been to Thailand. However, I'm not quite sure whether he will enjoy the women of the night. Good luck to you, Stick. Concentrate on your teaching job. I would not be happy if I know that the teacher of my children is involved in the bar scenes.

Keith Summers,

Your website is ridiculous. It's unbelievable to me that as an English native speaker, your syntax and spelling are worse than some Thai students who have never been abroad. You also act like a child. It would be interesting if you come up with your own content. Stickman bashing on your website is really childish. You sound like you have some mental problems.

Dean Barrett says:

Kasman, you misunderstood. I wasn't threatening Keith Summers or even suggesting he would soon be the victim of physical violence. The latest report from Rumor Control Headquarters indicates, no, more than indicates, justice of a different sort is coming for Keith. Nor have I any interest in defending Stickman. I am simply amazed and angered when a narcissistic hypocrite launches a vicious and unprovoked attack upon someone and tries to kill their job and their site, all the while pretending to act from the highest motives.

As Not Imtiaz Muqbil has pointed out I tend to get involved in things I feel strongly about and do occasionally write letters to newspapers. Perhaps when it is no longer his time of month he will feel in a kinder mood toward me.

I will not bother to defend myself against a pseudonym except on the point where I am called a whoreguru. Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, therefore there are no whores in Thailand, therefore I could not possibly be a whore guru, although I do have a nodding aquaintance with several entertainment providers, some of whom are half my age and a third my height, or is it a third my age and half my height, I forget which, but I find that by pasting a thousand-baht bill onto my forehead before entering an entertainment-providing establishment I am often confused with Clark Gable or Brad Pitt. Yes, I know, in some minds this makes me a socially inept loser afraid of older successful (Western) women yada, yada, yaka, but I first entered a Thai bar in 1966 and was exposed at a rather impressionable age to Thai nightlife and now it is 40 years later and the only thing I can say in my own defense is: I FUCKING LOVE IT, MATE, SO FUCK YOU AND THE PURITANICAL HORSE YOU ROAD IN ON.

Another David says:

Stickman vs Summers. I have been an enthusiastic reader and contributor of articles to the Stickmanbankok site for a while now. The site has given me endless hours of pleasure and a good deal of useful information too.

As a rastional hunman being I am aware that anything I read may contain editorial data and both positive and negative remarks about the services provided by businesses. These comments are often helpful to both the business in question and to their customers.

Mr Summers on the other hand appears to be vindictive and malicious in his remarks whilst clearly being an active pervert too. Some of his observations suggest that Mr. Summers has a personality disorder, as does his involvement in sex tourism.

I eagerly await the return of Stickmansindex in the knowledge that I will be dealing with a website that is run by a rational and honest human being.

yorkie says:

http://notstickmanbangkok.com/
LetterFromTheGalt1.htm

Please can anyone who knows Mr. Galt personally shed light on the reason(s) for his latest illiterate ramble?

The man is ill. If he has friends they should encourage him to seek psychiatric help at the best facilities that Thailand has to offer.

As a start, please take him to the ER at Bumrungrad. Whilst they may well not admit him, they will at least be able to advise the most appropriate local treatment facility.

not Imtiaz Muqbil says:

Dean

Nice to see that you can still
a)talk off the point,
b)assemble a straw man and
c)do the twist.
Be assured of your rightful barstool at the rail next to Rush, Shawn and Sexyann the bonedancer.

And yes.
My comments are indeed directed toward those who "feel strongly" but do not understand, inform themselves or even pause to think before they attack. . . the bully pulpit artists who have no qualms about attacking a brave articulate man with an odd Islamic name when he speaks truth to power.

You know who you are.
Bullys.

Shame on you.
Shame.

Anonymous says:

Mr. Summers will be asked to leaave the Kingdom and Blacklisted very soon. Promoting sex tours is not recommended.
Good news for us all.

Derukugi says:

Yorkie:
[[http://notstickmanbangkok.com/
LetterFromTheGalt1.htm

Please can anyone who knows Mr. Galt personally shed light on the reason(s) for his latest illiterate ramble? ]]

It looks like he tries to remove himself from the situation without an apology, and while still claiming the moral high-ground.
Totally pathetic, imho.

Capt. Queeg says:

Stickman has been neutered in Thailand. Hes on double secret probation at his school and his continued employment hangs by a thread. Gault/Summers seems to have garnered more that his just due of 15 min. This ghey little expat spat is growing tiresome, as are the lifeless twats that still are taking sides. BOTH parties are loser, lower rung perverts living in Thailand because they have nowhere else to go. Im glad Mangosauce is getting more attention, and hopefully it will blossom and become a better site as a result of all this mess.

Just googled his name says:

This is a riot.
Wait till some authority Googles "Keith Summers Thailand".

I guess he dropped out of the turn signal biz and is full time sex tour guide now?
Keith Summers Sex Tours Bangkok

The Doctor makes a prognosis says:

I came into the office this morning and my friend 'The Doctor' was here waiting to chat to me because he heard I had not been taking my frog pills and that Windle Poons had run off with my ass trumpert again.

Anyway, we got around to discussing certain subjects and one of them was about the subject of Galt and Stick.

He told me that he had already done a semi-pseudo clinical analysis of the two subjects at hand and this is what he came up with in his expert clinical opinion:

"If you look at the photo of Stick on Galts website, you can see that he appears to be all rosy and pink and has the look of a healthy individual with a good constitution. Clearly he has a good woman looking after him and has a lot of lead in his pencil.

Now if you go and look at the photo of Keith on his own website, especially the one underneath the photo of Stick, you can cleary see that he has the colour and complexion of what can best be described as 'boiled shite'

This is a common amongst many people in Thailand and clearly the man is not getting enough red meat or iron in his diet. In a nutshell, he has no lead left in his pencil."

The Doctor continues...

"If I am not wrong, and based on many cases I have seen before, I would go so far as to hazard a guess that he is probably totally constipated as a result and this I am afraid clearly explains why the man is so full of shit at the moment."

The prognosis from the Doctor before he left the vicinity of my desk was thus:

"Galt should go and change his diet and down several bottles of iron tablets before his colon bursts like a leaky pipe and the rest of his blood drains from his pale gaunt yellowish face."

So there you have it. The Doctor has spoken and if Keith is not careful, he may be doomed to walking the lands like some semi living Count Dracula sucking blood from those around him for his own survival....

The evidence is there to see in his photo and he has already attempted to suck the lead from Sticks pencil dry, and now its a case of seeing who his next victim will be...

I put money on Dicer, Casanundra and BKKK Red...

Watch out, watch out, Count Galt is a bout...

Dean Barrett says:

"Please leave serious comment of the things that really matter to those with the background and education to ad something to the debate."

Well, NotImtiazMuqbil.com I do have a master's degree in Asian studies, I do speak, read and write Mandarin Chinese and some Cantonese, my Thai is fair, I've lived in Asia for 26 years, have been on the editorial staff of such magazines as Orientations, published and edited Thai International's Sawasdee magazine for years, written for the Far Eastern Economic Review and written several books and plays well received by reviewers. Above all, I've come to learn a great deal about the horrors of Islam and in letters to editors and on my own website write quite a bit about the horrors of Islam which of course is what is really bothering you. Please tell me how much education and background I need before I can comment further. And, speaking of education, shouldn't your spelling be "add" not "ad"? And did you not mix up Richard III with Henry V? And since Islam is not a race anyone with a brain would know that attacking it does not make me a racist. You and the Muslim fanatic you defend, Imtiaz Muqbil, cannot refute my arguments and so you launch ad hominem attacks, "against the man." In his columns in the Bangkok Post he spews forth his hatred of the West while never criticizing Islam but at least, unlike yourself, he uses his real name. In your response to this do you suppose you could do the same, little man? I promise I won't bite.

Mr Shifter says:

** Pulls up deckchair and passes Hob Nobs around **

Pants Elk says:

**Inserts memory-foam earplugs and slips in-flight mask over eyes**

IRS Fraud Reporter says:

Are Keith Summers EBAY sales included on his U.S. Tax returns?
Pretty easy to report fraud to the IRS.

http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/
article/0,,id=106778,00.html

timmy says:

Must be embarrassing to see your name attached to Sex Tours in Bangkok.
I did google his name. Keith Summers. Wow. Associated with the Sex Tour industry is a big no-no.
Keith wont make it thru the holidays I bet.
We should do a Poll on his deportation date?
My vote. December 20th

Krungthep Ken says:

I vote for Dec. 25th. Christmas is such a nice time and that would make it even nicer.

Saeb says:

Timmy,
Wonderful idea: How about we form a pool, everyone sticks in (pun not intended) 1 red one. Person closest to the date wins the pool.
I'll go for Dec 11th.

Jack Wow says:

Go on, count me in - December 26th.

Keith Summers SEX TOURS BANGKOK says:

I would enjoy hearing that someone translated Keith Summers, Virgin Stalker article into Thai language, printed some posters with his photo and put them up in this neighborhood.
Thanks in advance.

Keith Summers
Summers Soft Company Ltd.
Soi Poksawat Feangrat Road
A Muang Nakhon Phanom
Thailand, 48000
PH: 09 541 8274

Saeb says:

Go on, count me in - December 26th.

Posted by Jack Wow

I thought it might be a goer - right who's up for it?.
It will brighten up those dark winter nights for those of you in the frozen North at the moment (or even the frozen South).
Why buy a voodoo doll?. Here's a chance to make money on the same concept.

Dont like dirtbags like Keith Summers says:

The Thai Culture Minister will see Keiths website and can have him picked up, shown the new airport and blacklisted. Doesn't take a long hearing etc. Just a call.
By by Keith.

Father Christmas says:

A letter from little Keith to Santa this year:

Dear Father Santa Claus,

I would like... I would like please... a nice new LED business, some fwends, an invwestor or two and a… and a… and a new sex doll for cwistmas this year as well. I would also like an an an... if you would be so kind, a nice new vwergin girl too. That would make me vwery happy. Yours creepily and kindly Keith Summers.

PS: I have bween a vwery good bwoy this year too.

----------------

Santa Replies:

Ho Ho Ho Thank you dear little Keith for your nice letter.

I noticed however after reading my naughty school boy list this year that I am sorry to say that you have been a naughty little boy this year and you know little naughty boys only get some coal and an orange now don't you.

Ho Ho Ho never mind, let me just update my computer to see if your previous years records can redeem you.

Tap Tap Tappity Tap...

Oooh now what do I see here. My My My, dear little Keith. My lovely little Pantium Elf V.III machine has just informed me that you have indeed been a naughty boy indeed. Tsk Tsk tsk, what am I to do.

Let me see here. It says that you have been a run-a-way father too and failed to eat your greens and provide for your child? Is this true? Tsk tsk tsk!

Ho Ho Ho never mind, I think I will call my little Elves together to send an early gift to the IRS Goblins and I’ll send a love note to Mrs Christmas's Child Support Agency of America to just check because we do like to take care of our little children...

Tap tap Tappity Tap... There that's done.

Ho Ho Ho, What a naughty boy you have been. Never mind little boy better luck next year and maybe you will get all that you ask for.

This year I think I will send you a one way ticket home to redeem yourself instead.

There there little boy don't cry, mommies going to bake you a little pumpkin pie...

Happy Thanksgiving y'all

No Dog In This Fight says:

Stickboy's up and running

http://www.stickboybangkok.com/

Nothing to see here...just move along

not Imtiaz Muqbil says:

(Dave, this will be my last off-topic brainfart on this matter) not Imtiaz

"Mr. Barrett"

Thank you for your reply.

Having apparently scrolled past "not Imtiaz's" second post, you've been kind enough to re-submit fresh examples of the very rhetorical flaws so pervasive in your non-fictional efforts.

The FAR EASTERN Studies specialty, journalistic forays into, for the most part, barf-bag ad rags and your books and plays (Ok, kudos for these) do not make you an authority on US-Middle Eastern foreign policy.

Sorry Dean. But they just don't.

I would have thought this obvious, but you've been using your Far Eastern Studies thingy to street-cred your way through these bar stool debates for so long that maybe you just can't help yourself anymore.

Imtiaz Muqbil (funny "sand-nigger" name notwithstanding)is more of an authority by a mile then you'll ever be.
(Speaks reads and writes Arabic. In dialect as well. Fluent English and Thai as well. Spooks should have hired him maybe. - digression)
Check out his background, whydoncha?.
Stretching and twisting. Tut tut, Deaner
Anyway, this is what we mean by "talking off the point".

THE FACILE RECONFIGURATION of Mr. Muqbil as a rabid, hate-spewing Islamo-fascist fanatic whenever he questions the notion of US EXCEPTIONALIST foreign policy is what we call a "straw man." (You know that but you do it anyway, as do Rush, Shawn and "pphewrsthowardean" - Ann)
In legitimate debate one loses ground for resorting to this sophmoric gambit. "Letters" sections are more forgiving.

(Mix & Twist - sounds like a 2-bit law firm, doesn't it?)

YOUR DISMISSAL of my STRONG objections to your "strongly felt" albeit poorly reasoned, knee-jerk, Swiftboat talking-point, boiler-plate missives to the Post and the Nation are most demonstrably "ad hominem". (uh, "to the man", as you point out. thanks)

Mis-attribution of literary puffery? Ok. Ok. I'll cop.
My apologies for not having been arsed to scroll back up to your reference to Henry V.
That literary pretense thing, I think you'll agree, still stands.
(Dean . . . Shakespeare at Big Dogs? Really!;-) I'd by (oops) buy fifty tickets. . . And before you get all excited again. . . . there are 3 spellings of "Shakespere"

But now, to "my real point":
There is no legitimate way to defend the US slaughter of 600,000 Iraqis (Lancet Sept. 2006) or its client state Israel's "clay pigeon diplomacy" approach to the slaughter of Palestinians.
No way.
But that is what you try to do.
And since, in the shadowy, brain-addled, cunt-struck netherworld of Akademia Nana Plaza, facts are rarely needed, you get by with it most of the time.
Easy as pie to find someone who'll overlook all this slaughter for the chance to hate an Arab.
There's a billion Arabs, Dean.
(With Iran "on the table" spare me your Islam/Arab distinction.)

How you gonna marginalize a billion people?
Oh yeah, I forgot.
We can misrepresent Middle East issues.
Then we can hate the whole lot of them.
And then we can slaughter them.

And as for "the twist"? Well, that's the way of barstool debate, n'est-ce pas?

And no, you probably don't bite but when challenged you do pick the odd nit.

But now as I reach around behind the saddle to stroke Om Sin's creamy thigh I see the "horse I road in on" does indeed have a few nits.
Om Sin picks most of them off and cracks them between her teeth. Nasty habit.
Om Sin is a big beach volleyball-style pole dancer from the Pong: 'bout 28, likes expensive custom black NZ lambskin thigh-highs,(non-platform) black T-back thong (up over her hips like god intended)
Old style bar chic.
Best pair of stand-up tits in the bar.
Still wears the five baht link bracelet from her first farang;
Rides just behind the saddle blanket

Outta time.

"Res ipsa loquitur" so why bother?

Derukugi says:

Imtimaz Muqbil:

Your off-topic rant deserves just a quick correction:
[[But now, to "my real point":
There is no legitimate way to defend the US slaughter of 600,000 Iraqis (Lancet Sept. 2006)]]

Proganda talking points, not facts. The dubious origin of numbers of Lancet study has been discussed elsewhere; and whatever the numbers, almost all of these Iraqis were killed by muslim fanatics of various stripes, not by Americans.

[[or its client state Israel's "clay pigeon diplomacy" approach to the slaughter of Palestinians.]]

Arab propaganda. Fact is, *the Palestinians" (which really means muslim West Bank Arabs) could have their own state long ago, if that is what they wanted. But what Hamas et al do want is to wipe out Israel. (And Ahmedinejad has already promised us the "real holocaust".

[[There's a billion Arabs, Dean.]]

No, there isn`t. There is about a billion *muslims*, but most of them are not Arabs. And not all Arabs are muslims (although the dhimmi minorities in muslim countries are fast disappearing).

Derukugi says:

Keith Summers,
you keep on ranting about Stick`s so-called illegal businesses (still not sure what they are).
But just out of curiousity: Is it legal in Thailand to act as a tout and tourguide for a US sex tour company?
And do you pay tax on your income from "The Man Tour"?
Can you confirm that?

Saeb says:

S'cuse me chaps and chapesses - but WTF has George bush and dead muslims exactly got to do with Count Galtula and the invisible Stick?.

Is there a connection?. Is there a consipracy theory?. Is it urban rumour?.
I rhink the public at large have a duty to know.

This is "Sheerious shtuff" (Connery accent).

Anyway, c'mon, who's in the pool?.
I've still got a red one on 11th December for the Plastics / Sex tour operator.
Bet you never guessed that the plastic moulding was a front for the MFR of blow up dolls did you?.
Heh-Heh.

Wombat says:

I'll take January 10 but you will have to wait till August for the red one.

faatm says:

Count me in for the 10th January ...this is after the authorities catch him making a run for it to Cambodia in an attempt to move his plastic sex doll manufacturing operations there and run his sex tours incognito , he will then face charges back in the U.S.A for tax avoidance and other sex related charges and will arrive amid a media frenzy in his homeland .
After serving a couple of years sharing a cell with a rather well endowed negro homosexual he will be released into the general populace after finally learning his lesson.

Looper says:

Maybe one of MS's US based contibutors, who doesn't mind having highly embarrassing material arrive by post at their home address, should send off for a copy of themantour's free promotional tape to see if our Keith makes his screen debut with kissable Ket or the fuglier one.

Dean Barrett says:

A Muslim is a very brave man - when he has a boxcutter in his hand and is facing an unarmed stewardess. But whether it be Osama Bin Laden hiding in his cave or notMuqbilImtiaz hiding behind his pseudonym all Muslim fanatics are cowards. Notmuqbilimtiaz has just proved it to hundreds of infidels. So little man, when you get up the courage to use your real name, then you'll be a man. Then you will deserve a reply. And, frankly, you bore me.

Derukugi says:

Check out Keith`s sex tour company`s ad in "Extreme Magazine":
http://www.xtrememagazine.com/Classifieds/
classifieds.html

(Scroll down to TheManTour.com).
They offer free Viagra for every dorky sex tourist. Hmm... the local drugstores must love Keith :-)

faatm says:

Now I know this little tiff going on with Mr Barret and notMuqbilImtiaz is a digression but I just wanted to chip in a little ...have a read of this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15836746/

is there a Muslim who could please explain ?? I'm all ears.

Half Man Half Goat says:

This muslim thing is a turban myth

Derukugi says:

Faatm,
I am not a muslim, but if you read up on Shariah law, you'll find it makes perfect sense in the islamic legal context.
You'll find some references here:
http://debate.domini.org/newton/
womeng.html#woman

And this blog (currently on a hiatus, because he is writing a book) is a great read:
http://muttawa.blogspot.com/

Saeb says:

Wot's Muslims got to do with it?.
Is Count Galtula a Quoran reader or what?
I dunno, some people lose the plot.
C'mon who's in the pool?.
Let us see a list.
Those pegging on January are well going to lose.
(Gut feeling don't cha' know!)

Er says:

Long thread, might have missed a reference to it but just seen that the Banana girls are gone and there is a sort of apology to Stick's school boss, saying that Stick was probably fabricating the story about the boss switching kids... looks like the school have been talking to him - just imagine the connections in Thai society there, only takes one distant cousin of one of the teachers to be in a position of power and get all enraged.

Dizz says:

notmustycrabcakes- whatever
You write in a somewhat interesting way
but you are no Dean B. He is a
published author of well reviewed
works. I cannot understand your
attacks. You bring hack political
nosense phrases while he engages
in subtle statements backed up by
logic.
Your logic is monkey based.
You bring politics into this. He
did not.
It is so easy to attack but if one
looks at what you say, you back it
up with the substance of sand.
I suspect nasty motives for you,
notanythingbutmuck...man.
Dude---why are you so bitter?????
Dean has that touch of class.
Your touch is one of crass crapola.
---Dizz

Anonymous says:

Derekugi:

You probably think I am Keith because you think I am saying something negative about Stickman. However, if you re-read what I wrote I am actually providing helpful advice to him (You?).

When you choose to work in the black market, one of the benefits is you don't pay taxes and you work outside of government regulation. However, the cons of balck market work is if you are attacked (such as what has happened to Stick) you cannot use legal means to correct the harm done to you.

In other words, if Stick were working legally he could have filed a defamation and a copyright infringement action against Keith Summers. But Stick can't because when he files a complaint he would have to acknowledge who he is and his activities in Thailand.

Committing illegal acts anonymously does not make those acts legal. It make the better person harder to find, but it also evidence of illegal intent (because people that do things legally do not need to hide.)

I am going to try to tear myself away from this compelling drama. It's been interesting but I am far behind in my work.

I wish you good luck Stick (and Keith). Please do not harm eachother. At the end of the day it is all pretty silly and insignificant.

Liu Bei says:

Dear Mr, Barrett, Mr. Notmuqbilmumtiaz,

Can you two just get a room or something? You two lovebirds, with your canned rants of regurgitated factoids mutated and spun, borrowed from people who said it better elsewhere than either of you ever will, would be great fun if the little puddle you're making were even remotely related to the all-important soap-opera at hand.

Do your eyes glaze over when you go into this trance? Just curious.

Just in case, to save you ladies time and effort on your next round, feel free to use the following:

***** cut and paste *****

I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG, I SPEAK ONLY AND FULLY IN ABSOLUTE TRUTHS. I AM AN EXPERT AND YOU ARE A BALL OF SMEGMA.

***** cut and paste *****

Oh and don't punch yourselves out on this thread, some day there might be a thread where your rants are at least slightly relevant.

Thank you and have a nice day. Carry on...

Dean Barrett says:

Liu Bei, Be aware that I have shown Tsao Tsao and Kwan Kung and other warriors of the Three Kingdoms what you had to say and they are pissed! You took a pear tree oath of loyalty and here you are mucking about on a sub-thread of a sub-thread while Kwan Kung and Chang Fei and others do all the fighting! It's your fault Kwan Kung got caught and it's your fault the Han Dynasty never had a second (or third) act. Turn in your jade archer's ring and goose-feathered arrows now and head directly to the Silk Worm Chamber (so named because recently castrated eunuchs and recently hatched silkworms both needed a heated room in order to live and it is not about silkworms your presence is desired). Practice your falsetto. Tremble and Obey (this Imperial Order).

Wombat says:

Weekly drivel is up. Freudian slip when he writes "loosers its luster"? Some of us have misjudged him apparently. Now claims he isn't interested in virgins. Wonder what it was that made him loose his luster for them.

You didn't ban him did you David? I thought the sherrif of the wee wee wee could threaten anyone he likes.

Nice to read that he maintains his interest in running. I would imagine that skill may prove more useful than engineering or computer programming. Just hope his suppliers are being paid COD if it happens that he leaves the country in a hurry to avoid deportation back to America.

And he is still an arsewipe.

--------------

Hi Wombat

Keith is still free to post his threats here but, to be honest, his antics have become boring and I think it's time he crawled back under his rock.

Regards
David

Pants Elk says:

"his antics have become boring and I think it's time he crawled back under his rock."

When were his antics ever anything but? His spite-induced (but still boring) outing of an "anonymous" BKK personality has led to the most tedious and timewasting commentary on your otherwise fine and dandy site. Which you've encouraged by the Tragic Ray piece, incidentally, and the self-promoting "David "outed" by stalker" piece (and its attendant shrieks of groupie appreciation).
Remember "The Vagina Monologues"? This seemingly endless obsession with fellow web personalities is turning into the virtual equivalent. The Silly Cunt Monologues?
You may want Summers to crawl back under his rock, but you had a strong hand on the lever that tipped it over over.
How I yearn for the warm, sunlit uplands of the old Mango Sauce site I stumbled onto just a few short weeks ago ...

Er says:

Thought it was not a bad column this week though plenty of spelling errors, looks like he is slowly going native and losing his English ability. Goes on about being nice to Thais and getting niceness back - he forgot to be nice to Stick, though.

Bored Now says:

Agree that Keith's latest thread was absolutely mind bogglingly numb and was in all senses of the word – Shite!

In fact I am off to the balcony on floor 2 in my building right now to throw myself off in a fit of despair.

Yeargh! Twonk! Ouch!

Ok I'm back. You know I cannot believe we were forced to give up Sticks weekly which gave us the sensible factual and real info about stuff going on in Thailand to be replaced with dribbling shite that is full of errors, back peddling statements and perpetual hole shovelling. Keith mate, would you like me to lend you a bigger shovel so you can get it over with instead of that little spade you have right now?

Come on Keith, explain to the readers why you aren't really married after 5 years and not hide behind the crap you spouted in your inane column this week.

How about telling us the real reason why you cannot post on two of your websites… we know the answer, so why not come and out and say it.

Why not come clean and tell us that the reason you took Stick off line was because you wanted to try and fill his shoes by stealing his thunder.

Go on admit that you are a worthless spineless man of no talent who is now busy trying to take the proverbial foot out of his mouth in order to claim back some of the credibility he lost. Just for once please, grow a spine and be a man.

Just so you know… Stick's boss actually knows of your website because one of the banana girls decided to come forward and told her. Oh and Guess what, the sky didn’t fall in on Stick either. In fact, she doesn't give too much of a flying cahoonas about it all because like everything else here in Thailand, the superficiality of it all matters more and Stick has a far more positive image in his professional circles than what is made on some obscure website.

Let me see how this would go if it went to judgement in a court…

Dear judge before you in the dock of the court: Stickman, teacher, charity worker, contributor to Thai society, married, speaks fluent Thai, owns a website about life in Thailand. Some suspect commentary. A few suspicious activities in the bar scene helping his fellow man from being fleeced by bar girls, professional website, looks above board, has a history of 5 years of being on line.

The other before you is Keith Summers, business owner of cheap unapproved plastic LED parts for foreign motorcycles, may go into lighting systems for buildings soon, contributes nothing to Thai society, believes charity is something you give to a bar girl on a sex tour, pays for sex, actively seeks virgins, is not married, cannot speak much Thai after 5 years, owns a piss pot poor website that has been up for a whopping 8 weeks, attacked innocents Thai co-workers without just cause and posts them on the Internet with sexual innuendos, likes to take pot shots at his fellow men, in essence a complete psycho path.

Which one do you think would win this one legged race then?

Keith, you are an absolute balloon with a marketing / business strategy and vision that extends to about 2 inches beyond your nose. I see great failures for you in the near future. In fact, guards, deport him now for contributing diddly swot to Thai society

Stick, I see you rising from the ashes like a phoenix and thank you for your efforts to integrate into our wonderful culture. May you continue for many years to come. Have you ever considered getting PR here?

Matt says:

At least he's stopped his weekly anti-Stickman column. What he has written in its place, however, could have been penned by a school child.

TANAI KWAI says:

How anyone could fail to appreciate your last couple of posts is beyond me. It could only be a reading comprehension issue.

Your readership may be comprised of swine but many of us can still recognize a pearl.

That said, if you don't write a piece about rim jobs and cock rings soon you may have an insurgency on your hands. We're having some difficulty enforcing the curfew as roving bands of humorless pricks take control of the streets of Mangoland.

TK

mrxcoffee says:

wow, The Summers column is really bad. I get it: Trying to mask himself with a genuine interest in Thai culture when the fact is he came here as a sex tourist. If he honestly asked himself what he is really interested in as far as Thailand goes -the answer would be the same, cheap sex. Face it the babes aren't exactly lining up in the US to date guys that go to their local Star Trek Conventions.

"In an Asia culture you give respect and earn respect......" Brilliant - so all "Asia" cultures are the same. No truer words could be true, ya right. Keith learn to use spell check you fuckwit.

Pants Elk says:

"How anyone could fail to appreciate your last couple of posts is beyond me. It could only be a reading comprehension issue."

I guess you had to be there.

"Your readership may be comprised of swine but many of us can still recognize a pearl."

Many of us swine can recognize a sow's ear, too.

"That said, if you don't write a piece about rim jobs and cock rings soon you may have an insurgency on your hands. We're having some difficulty enforcing the curfew as roving bands of humorless pricks take control of the streets of Mangoland."

I have a reading comprehension issue with this paragraph, or a sense of humor failure, or something.

What's a cock ring?

TANAI KWAI says:

"What's a cock ring?"

You're wearing one around your neck.

(winky)

Pants Elk says:

Dick head, right?

Pretty good, pretty good ...

(noddy)

Jeff says:

Looked and could not find wether Summers company is indeed registered in Thailand, if he is here and just doing Ebay, not registered, no taxes......hmmmmm

TANAI KWAI says:

Pants,

I have never used one (below the neck anyway). If I were on a different computer I could clear it up with a quick search but in (Bei) lieu of that I offer two competing theories. A cock ring is:

(1) a device worn at the base of the erect penis above the testes to trap blood flow and prolong and strengthen erection.

(2)a misnamed device that actually fits around the scrotum with the general purpose of prolonging erection but with the primary physiological function not of increasing tumescence, but rather of delaying ejaculation by preventing retraction of the testicles that tends to precede climax. (So the priapism objective is actually more of a side effect.)

Dunno. Sounds unpleasant either way.

TK

Pants Elk says:

Anybody *else* getting a woody from this?

CallingElvis says:

It was to no surprise that the latest updates on Galt's website were boring as hell, to say the least.

At the end, being a parasite, he has killed his own host !

This is the most stupid thing he could have done. It's like sitting on a tree and sawing away the roots of your existence.

He could have kept it in a "fun" way and attract attention, but no, he couldn't find the break and now he's alone on it's own, dying quickly without having any further creative ideas how to get interesting content published on his site.

I would compare this to the early days where computer viri were created to destroy their hosts. These days, they are not as stupid anymore, why destroy your only way of existence. Rather use it to your own benefit and spread out to thousands of others...well, Mr. Summers, you are way behind of the intelligence of our technology anno 2006.

Derukugi says:

[[[It was to no surprise that the latest updates on Galt's website were boring as hell, to say the least.
At the end, being a parasite, he has killed his own host ! ]]

Exactly. Can you imagine somebody logging on to an amateurish website that, besides rants against a now-defunct other website, only contains amateurish tourist articles about Thailand written on 3rd grade level?
Groan...

Johnny Tokyo says:

Derkugi

Exactly.
I can do that. . . . if you'll just promise to reflect on "somebody" who regularly muckles on to an excellent high frequency Bangkok commentary website to impose on other posters his somewhat restricted perspectives on everything imaginable.
Nnnnnnkay?

This "somebody", besides commenting incessantly on yesterday's moribund notwebsites and their demonstrably self-medicated detractors*, makes a raggedy-ass determination of what he feels is the prevailing consensus on any given issue and then types away like a tiresome cunt, spewing out amateurish GAINSAY at the 8th grade student newspaper level?
Groan...

*(perhaps in Summers' case a "breath-mint" attitude to Thailand's readily available range of powerful psychotropics like Prozac??)- digression

I do feel some empathy for those, who at this time quite possibly face a bout of impending winter gloom in a cold weather environment and all.
But geez, man. Give it a break, willya?

There are other ways to "beat it off" besides weighing in like some Oprah to the Mongers; a Bangkok barstool know-it-all with his last word and his "big think" on every subject under discussion.

There are lots of OTHER intelligent people on this board and even if they don't conform to your considered opinion on absolutely everything they have insights background and the education to express themselves.
Those who actually live here would like to see a post or two from you that actually shows a glimmer of original insight once in a while.
Some thought, at least. Something other than your limbic blurts into the ether.

Failing that, at least read and try to understand the content and style of these posts before you attack your keyboard.

You overuse the word "rant" by the way. It means something other than one who disaggrees with you and needs some space to clearly express his thoughts.
Same goes for your cut and paste number.

I hope this has helped.

Derukugi says:

And hello to you too, Keith!
LOL

Johhny Tokyo says:

Derukugi

JT comments on psychoturd - *(perhaps in Summers' case a "breath-mint" attitude to Thailand's readily available range of powerful psychotropics like Prozac??)

Your limbic blurt - And hello to you too, Keith!
LOL - follows

JT cuts and pastes from above: Failing that, at least read and try to understand the content and style of these posts before you attack your keyboard.

Res ipsa loquitur, so why bother?

Now you try to scold us into thinking you're, uh, joking or something.

Outta time

notnotstickman says:

Keith Summers is an attention whore, no doubts about it, he is accusing Stickman for making money from his website and is advertising his illegal asiasignals business. He is ranting how Stickman is giving a good review for a bar because he was payed for. Well Keith, that is how the media works, Prince wasn't playing 2 songs on the Amrican Idol 5 finale because he was a supporter of the show, his record company payed 2.5 Million USD for this promotion. That is how media works, you want a review but the space on the website or paper is limited then you gotta buy in. Stickman hasn't invented it, he just did what is usual business in the entire world!

Galtyboy is also claiming that Roxy on Walking Street is a succesful bar. That is a very amusing statement when you are as involved as me! I don't wanna bash the Roxy here and especially not it's people, they did a great job with the design and tried to create something new, it is original and stylish and not succesful!

However, if Keithes claimings are correct or not doesn't give him the right to destroy a mans life, he crossed the line weeks ago and he is making things worse for himself. Stickman will return, no doubt about it and who doesn't like should be able to avoid the site. The Little Galtboy, who once needed organised sex tours to get laid, he will suffer a lot, because a plenty of farang business men are upset about the way how easy a little attention whore like Galt can destroy your business here. That this will never happen again there will be some major actions against him (i have heard). Probably the easiest way would be to pay underaged girls at the 13 to claim Keith has raped them, the problem would be solved in no time! I am afraid the real actions will be way way more dramatic and from what I have heard the Pattaya News camera team is already having a bus in front of his residence.

How could he do something like that and not expect the lynch mob coming after him?

I'd say, if he has 15 minutes of fame he has 2 minutes to go!

Jason says:

Spiteful, stupid, arrogant. What goes around comes around Mr Dummers or is that Summers?

jj says:

If you do not like the comments that Summers makes then don't go to his website. Obviously, you people have nothing productive to do with your time. Get a life.

David,
How will you feel when Summers ends up dead? Posting his address is completely unacceptable, regardless of right and wrong.

----------------

Hi jj

Getting a schoolteacher's blog partially suspended for a few weeks isn't motive for murder.

Keep on taking the Xanax.

Regards
David

PS. If Keith didn't want his work address revealed, he shouldn't have published Stickman's.

dannbkk says:

Resolution to Stickman's Site

I have extensive experience in the internet industry and i will let you know straight if you want to access Stickman's Sites pages, you can go to www.archive.org here they keep all websites history pages stored on there database i have stickman's archived pages here for easy accesss;
http://web.archive.org/web/*/
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com

PS. Just click on what date you like and read all his old articles sites, he can't escape or get very far from taking his pages down, hes only hurting himself!! LOL

dannbkk

Enjoy!

Derby says:

December 31. It'll make a good start to the New Year.

Sexpat ATM says:

its just ironic that a insignificant little twat like Gault took down Stickmans website and crippled his career and possibly his relationship with his wife. I bet Stick had a hellava lot of 'splainin to do at home and work, while Kieth doesnt even have any friends to share his 'victory' with, the snivelling little worm.

Insider says:

To Sexpat ATM

If you knew Stick like many of us do in the "inner circle", you would know that he wasn't an angel. Under that mild, mannered clark kent exterior, was one vicious person. he wouldn't think twice to destroying someone elses career like Galt has done to him.

He got what was coming to him. But truthfully, I don't think he will stop. He has many people just like him working with him for his return.

Some really evil dudes.

As for his wife, if she is truly contemplating leaving him, there is nobody to blame but Stick himself.

You see, no one told him to cheat on his wife.

------------

["Some really evil dudes" - I'm awarding "Insider" a Golden Mango for funniest comment of the week and I don't care if the humour was unintentional - David]

The Asian Badger says:

Wow...I have never seen a thread/replies post like this on the internet.

I am (was) a regular reader of "Stick" and "Galt" and I use them like the old "talk to a taxi driver" to find out what is going on in Thailand. Mango Sauce is also like a taxi driver....get an unabridged "behind the scenes" look.

I have, or rather had, business interests in Thailand until a few weeks ago, and have been going to BKK since 1982. I found Stick to be invaluable for the "tone" of what was going on in Thailand.

The only thing that bugged me on Stick was the "I met a bargirl and she's cheating on me" stories.

WTF...wake up, boyos.

I remember Patpong before the night market. I was at the opening of "Goldfingers" and used to have drinks with Tiger Rydburgh at "Lucy's Tiger Den" on Suriwongse. (Sadly, now gone) I used to play cribbage on Sunday afternoon with Tiger when I was in town...... I have been "the meat" at Darlings.

Those are my creds.

I now tend to favor the "Big Mango" at Happy Hour and Washington Square for nights out in BKK. So here's my take on the Galt/Stickman thing.

This is a lot of caca over nothing. Galt owns his own business (Thai Style) and Stick is, from what I have been able to tell, a very good English teacher at a prestigious school...that's why Stick is open to problems.

The school (as the owner of Stick, seeing as how they pay his salary) will NOT want to get involved with Stick, despite his good intentions, will have to instuct him take the site down or at least modify it.

Let this whole thing go. Stick will be back and Galt, (who has a great business model) will not go away. I have been through the ex-pat wars in Singapore and Argentina. It's not worth it, trust me.

Attention to the expat commnity usaully end in problems, if not disaster.

Yes, it's fun and yes, it adds to the fact that you can't get the NFL at noon on Sunday...but...........you can get your kicks from something other than this (i.e. the Stick/Galt wars) ...both sides are right and my advice (like you give a shit) is let it go.

End of story...go to Nana and have few beers at The Big Mango or wherever you have a comfort zond.

Pants Elk says:

David's on holiday, right? That means we're free to say all the dirty words we like, right? I mean, he can't hear us!
Hee hee! This is fantastic!
I'll start, okay? Here goes -

Galt

Stick

MrClis says:

To mess with someone's ricebowl in the way that this Galt chap did to Stickman is unforgivable. We are a minority communuty in a foreign land and we should support each other, for goodness sakes.
I remember a few years ago when a chap working at AUA reported a young western female co-worker to immigration out of spite. The poor young girl was arrested, detained and deported and he became an absolute pariah in the ex-pat community.
What kind of a man does that?
What kind of a man is this Galt chap?
Petty, ignoble, vindictive and small.
Stickman provided me with a nice little read once a week....I can't say he ever swayed my opinions or enticed me to spend any money but then I've lived here a long time and pretty much know my way about.
Stickman spent years creating something useful...Galt spent days destroying it.
Pathetic.
And for all you holier-than-thous who play the 'teachers as ceasar's wife' card.......
Get your arse down the Cowboy at the weekend....half of the people you see punting work at the international schools...or try Suriwonge Soi 4...that's where the white female teachers go.
My overwhelming reaction to this whole episode is one of shame and sadness that such a deranged personality should have been able to do this. Mr.Galt, if you are reading this...I will spit on you should I ever see you out.
You are a disgrace.
Shame on you.

insider says:

To david:

Evil people don't think they are evil.
If they thought what they did was evil, they wouldn't do it. Evil people "don't care" about other people. when they do things, it's when their hearts desire without any concern for others. But when others do the same to them, they cry foul.

If you can't see the harm the stick did to galt's friend, you are in the same boat - EVIL.

If you decide to destroy someone else with slander through your column, don't be surprised if somebody sticks it to you too.

Your argument that Stick worked hard to make money. So, he deserved his rewards sounds to me like the same argument drug dealers use. Drug dealers make money too. They work really hard to get to where they are. But their money is based on the sufferings of others. And therefore, not justified.

IF people like you and Stick write articles that don't commit slander, then nobody would bother you.

--------------

Hi "Insider"

Please take care when you're passing those snakes amongst your congregation.

Regards
David

Ernesto Ortega says:

PLEASE CAN WE STOP THIS DRIVEL AND GET ON THE SUBJECT OF GIRLS AGAIN! I JUST LOVE THOSE BOOBIES.

E.O.

Liu Bei says:

DEAR ERNESTO,

IT IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED ASSHOLISH TO TYPE CONSTANTLY IN ALL CAPS ON THE INTERNET, BASICALLY LIKE SHOUTING IN SOMEONE'S FACE.

PLEASE STOP, OK? THANKS BYE.

philH says:

Thanks Liu Bei, apart from being crass it's also childlike, a bit like before we learnt joined up writing. Perhaps nobody has told Ernesto about the "Caps Lock" key yet.

ERNESTO, IF YOU HIT CAPS LOCK KEY ONCE you'll find you can type in lower case. Pressing the Shift key at the same time as the Letter key allows you to Type in Upper Case (capital letters) generally used at the beginning of sentences and for proper names.

Fuck it, I'm sounding like an English teacher! Aaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhh pass me the vodka bottle.

TANAI KWAI says:

I'm afraid you fellas fail to grasp the genius of the one true ERNESTO ORTEGA who graced this board long ago, only to be mimicked in countless ALL-CAPS homages. I suggest you follow the link below to begin your journey into a truly singular mind.

http://www.mangosauce.com/about/
taking_bangkoks_knickers_down.php

Jack Wow says:

I'm with the Great Kwai on this one.

ERNEST ORTEGA is a cult hero. He's been coming here almost since the birth of MS.

Please don't tell me you prefer this kind of drivel over EO:

"Evil people don't think they are evil.
If they thought what they did was evil, they wouldn't do it. Evil people "don't care" about other people. when they do things, it's when their hearts desire without any concern for others. But when others do the same to them, they cry foul."

- insider

Give me CAPS LOCKS AND BOOBIES any day of the week.

Entertaining boring morons says:

I hear word from some English teachers wife friend who works at the Stickman’s x-school that the police are looking for Stickman. He must be in hiding but more likely in Pattaya looking for another school to teach at while continuing his Thai girl sex addiction. Anyone have a Thai B.G. that needs checking up on to see if she is still bar fining out in Pattaya?

------------

Hi EBM

Almost every comment you make contains a rumour that turns out to be false. Why should anyone believe you this time?

Regards
David

Liu Bei says:

Jack Wow: "Please don't tell me you prefer this kind of drivel over EO..."

That's like having to choose between being drawn and quartered or boiled in oil...

Although after seeing door number 2, as presented here, I'll definitely choose drawn and quartered by EO, rather than the "boiling oil" of "crayola reasoning" complete with unnnecessary "scare quotes"...

I'm off to have nightmares, after which I'll probably wake up and "cry foul" by jamming my brekky chopsticks into my eyes...

Stealing one from Dicer on another thread: "Life here doesn't imitate art Adam, it imitates dubbed comic pornos."

Common Sense says:

I don't agree with Jack Wow often but I'll take the CAPS LOCK AND BOOBIES postings of Ernesto any day over half the shit I see here since Sticks site went down.

Liu Bei says:

That's the most people agreeing on anything, with no dissenters or bickering, since the whole stickman/stalkman soap opera first aired.

ALL CAPS AND BOOBIES CARRY THE DAY, HURRAH AND HUZZAH.

Is this the part of the program where we all hold hands and sing "kumbaya"?

Entertaining boring morons says:

Well, David does anyone take all of this scribbling seriously but you? If so then some kind of relief would be in order. It is as stated third party but it gets better these rumors but never mind. This string is all but finished on its own anyway and like notstickmans seems to be very short on entertainment now.

hueston says:

we eagerly await stickman's return because a lot us actually want to know what is going on around us. as for you, mr. summers, you should rejoin your band,The Police, and stop bothering innocent webmasters.

kissmethere says:

As long as stickman doesn't target anybody with lies, he is welcome to write about anything he wants.

That is the freedom of speech.

But if he commits slander, WATCH OUT! We now have superman (keith summers) and jesse ventura to deal with the likes of the stickman.

In the words of mr. ventura. "Be afraid, Be very afraid, little man."

Imagine if you will, hundreds of thai women calling stick's boss at the school where he works complaining about his treatment of them. ..it could happen.

I wonder what a prestigious school like the one where the stick works at would do if the above happened?

my guess is his name would be history.

mr joe says:

so this is it, finished ?, I hope so, the only person to come out of this with any credit is stick. I hope his column will return, there is a need for it. I did not agree with all his views etc. but it was informative and it is missed, as for summers, one strange man, very strange man.

moss says:

Dear "keithmethere"

You are a complete buffoon...please don't be the last person to absorb this reality.

Liu Bei says:

Now that he has effectively "silenced" stickman and effectively has nothing to say, any chance Mr. Summers can change his site's name to "stalkman" and make a career (I mean officially) of being a net stalker? At least then his site would have some value as a soap opera, as it stands now watching paint dry is considerably more exciting (housepaint, even).

*yawn* this soap seems to have fizzed without even a body count. booooring.

dontlikekeithsummers says:

I know what Keith looks like and if I see him in the Bars, I will hire the closest group of motorcycle Taxi Guys to do a dance on his face.

Zaphod says:

I his latest execretion, Keith Summers now outs himself as the sex tourist from "The Man Tour" and tries to put a positive spin on it.
Who wants to read that self-absorbed waffle?
This is just so pathetic. What a dork.

Pants Elk says:

Well, Zaphod, you read his self-absorbed waffle, apparently. I didn't. I did read your comment, though. Which is more attention than I've ever paid to what this non-personality "Galt" (I mean, for pity's sake - WHY?) has ever written. I've spent more time bottom-feeding the murky depths of Mango Sauce than I ever spent at either Summers' or Stick's sites. I feel at home here, amongst the knuckle-dragging retards and the poised intellects. But then, I'm largely drunk.

Johnny Tokyo says:

'Ya carry yer Zoloft? Paxil? Prozac? generic SRI's? in a Pez dispenser, Keith or do they just rattle around in your pocket with the loose change, the Zanax and the dick pills?

As this whole Summers pathology winds out into the realm of the pathetic, one thing becomes abundantly clear: Self-medication through Thailand's readily available range of psychotropics is ultimately an ill-advised alternative to alchohol addiction.

Derukugi says:

...and you participate in the endless meta-talk about Summers and Stick, reading and writing, while complaining about others reading and writing.

Hmm... there is a psychological study in there somewhere...

Johnny Tokyo says:

. . . . you don't write all that clearly, I'm afraid.
Want some help with that?
We could start with those dangling participles (and while we're at it, what exactly DO you mean by meta-talk? . . . my, my, my. . . . such erudition.)

Now I have this idea that you're trying to launch a slight of some sort here but I could be wrong, as others in these posts have kindly noted on occasion, this indeed is sometimes the case. (My being wrong, that is. Often, actually. . . . . . Lord knows, I'm no Dean Barrett ;-)
I make lots of spelling mistakes too, so there'll be lots for you to do if wrong spelling's your thing.
(I have a feeling it is, would I be right?)

On the other hand, you may actually know what you're talking about and this post of yours may actually be a compliment. But . . . . . naaaaw, since your use of the adjective psychological (psychology?) landed slightly wrong-footed, I doubt it. (that compliment thing, I mean.)
And, as well, that you might really have any idea what you're actually talking about, that is, is just as unlikely.
Wouldn't you agree?
Except that I think we can agree that you are trying to insult me, I guess. Or at the very least draw my attention to one or two of my numerous shortcomings.
(There are many, I'm proud to say.)

Sorry for all this the confusion but I'm really just not sure what you want me to deduce from what you've tried to write.

Enlighten me, would you?

In spite of their numerous shortcomings,I find our hosts the Thais to be quite civil.
Can we be civil?

Liu Bei says:

Derukugi "..and you participate in the endless meta-talk about Summers and Stick, reading and writing, while complaining about others reading and writing."

Meta discourse? Or Meta-narratives? My my my our simulacrum is getting engorged now isn't it.

I think all that po-mo erudition of yours is wasted on this saga, unless you did your Ph. D. on Mystery Science theater (another program wherein when the bad b-movie fizzed, the bickering in the cheap seats carried the day entertainment-wise).

Dicer says:

Looks like the pedantic and didactic are having a neurosis-in-psychosis cocktail together. Wonder if that is spelled with a stutter?

Alternatively...two elderly women are at a Catskill Mountain resort. And one of 'em says: 'Boy, the food in this place is really terrible.' The other one says: 'Yeah, I know. And such small portions.' - Alvy Singer

Derukugi says:

John Tokyo:
"Lord knows, I'm no Dean Barrett ;-)"

Indeed, you are not.

Johnny Tokyo says:

. . . need a tissue after that or do you handle the clean up "in-house"?

Guess you missed that "irony" smiley. I try to use 'em sparingly but some people need a little sign-posting. You missed it anyway.

Look up irony, son.

Do you, like, speed-read this stuff? Or do you just leave out facts on purpose cause it suits you.
I'll put my fifty baht on the "leaving out" thing.

Your paean to Borrett and the meta-genre of self-published Adventure Wear lit nestles snugly into the litany of kudos Borrett's managed to squeeze/ beg?/cajole? out of his contacts on the barf bag ad rag publishing circuit.

I'm disappointed but not surprised.

Let us now have some of that cunning, witty "I'm bored" repartee from Borrett or at least touch of Common Sneese's (sp?) "fuck off" stuff.
Then you can declare your supremecy in the region and get back to doing what you do best.

Pattaya addict says:

Cant we all be friends? Where has all the love gone?

Suicidal prodigy says:

After having read the latest Galt column I have lost the will to live. His site now takes first prize as the biggest load of Bullsh** currently published on the web.
I am now going to go and kill myself - just kidding - I will trash my computer though so I never again visit such a p***poor site!

NotAnyBangkokRelatedWebsite.com says:

Thank your lucky soul that we weren't treated to another edition of "My Fun Holiday in Thailand".

If Mr. Summers was half, nay a mere quarter of the man he imagines himself to be, he'd have some kind of comments or forum system on his site so he can engage in some earnest dialogue upon the theses he sets forth therein regarding Thailand and the Thai people.

Derukugi says:

I just took a look. You mean the Thai bargirl psycho-analysis? What idiocy. Next time I won't bother to look any more.

NotAnyBangkokRelatedWebsite.com says:

Derukugi old chap, if you mean me, yes I mean that. The only conclusion I can draw from it is that Mr. Summers is someone who goes around stalking and taking voyeuristic photos of young girls while they are shopping for underwear (see pic at top of article).

AmoresPerros says:

So... where's the blood??