Ahoy there! Keith Summers gets his 15 minutes

KoolKing says:

scorecard same

Galt 8.5 Stick 7.5

After reading this, I see no compelling reason to alter the score.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

it all sounded positive stuff Davo until you mentioned sticky wonkers site returning at the end.
Is there no end to this Horseshiteeee !

Thaxo.

Er says:

Surely you should post the name and photo of Stickman as well, just to be even-handed?

Be interesting to see what Keith does next, anyway... doesn't seem like he has anything to lose

Chuck Woww says:

Rivetting stuff David. But I notice one or two discrepancies in the timeline.

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Probably my fault, Chuck. The Stick interview was conducted in haste and at short notice with a very tight deadline. I'll be happy to correct any minor errors later.

Regards
David

MeMon says:

I personally think his attack on Stickman is pathetic. He waffles on about the reasons he despise's Stick so much but none of them really make any sense. He's one strange bloke.

Get the site back up Stick

Shane says:

Keith Summers, what an idiot!

Off The Wall joined Concerned For All out in the field doing a bit ‘O rabbit hunting.. well perv hunting to be exact.. I’ll be honest, those guys are too ‘ethical’ and want to give “The Galt” a chance to redeem himself, take his site down, resolve this peacefully. I don’t have that condition. I call a spade a spade.

Keith Summers started out accusing Stick of having “business interests” connected to his website. Duh! Show me a commercial website that doesn’t. He then says that Stick isn’t paying taxes, no work permit for his site, and so forth. Maybe, I don’t know Stick so or his personal life so how would I know? Who cares? Who died and left Keith Summers the new sheriff of the www?

The ironic part is Keith Summers is doing exactly what he accuses Stick of doing but with a very illegal business. How do I know? Because I once joined one of his tour groups for a drink, met the man, and walked away when the discussion of buying questionably aged sex partners came up almost right away. Keith Summers talks about it on his site but isn’t honest about his part in it. Read this:

Your all familiar with his “Virgin Quest” article? Read the very bottom paragraph:

“Coming to Thailand, One Option
If you have not been here before, you should come and give it try and look around for yourself. If you're nervous about coming alone, I can suggest a reputable tour group that you can come with.
This would be the first recommendation that I have ever made. And I want to be clear, I don't have any financial connection to the operator of this company that I will recommend to you. He has offered me a commission and I appreciate his offer, but we are friends. I declined his financial offer. I know he runs an honest business and he does a great job. If you come to Thailand with his tour, I have full confidence that your trip will be good one and that is the most important issue to me.
You have about one week from the posting of this article to make his next tour at the end of October (he has 2 openings from cancellations that occurred after the coup). The one after that will be in January sometime.
So, if you would like this recommendation, please email me and I'll send you an email address of my friend who I know will take care of you and help you make your visit here completely successful (and a hell of a lot of fun as well).
And remember, you have to see this place for yourself. Do not believe everything your read on the web. Do not send money to people here in Thailand unless you know them first. Keep your radar on and you'll have a great time in the Land of Smiles.
John Galt”

Hmm.. With all the accusations and crap he’s posted about Stick and honesty and screwing the readers and everything else.. It turns out Keith Summers is a guide and business interest of:
http://www.themantour.com/
This is how “The Great Galt” really gets his women.. he was a customer and now a guide. He couldn’t even arrange for his own hookers, he needed his hand held. You can see him here in the flesh:
http://www.themantour.com/images/
Photo%20Gallery/Keith_Thai_girl_2.jpg
http://www.themantour.com/images/
Photo%20Gallery/Keith_and_Ket.jpg
http://www.themantour.com/images/
Photo%20Gallery/Clients_Diving11.jpg
That’s your “Great Galt” folks. See how honest he is? Several guys who are on Sticks side of things have known this for a while and tried to resolve it with some civility. Keith just doesn’t make this possible. Time to expose him. More, rumor has it that he’s marketed underage flesh and some who wishes to remain unknown has promised to give this information directly to the Thai and Cambodian authorities unless the man takes his site down and gets lost between the cracks. I haven’t seen it, but there are supposed to be pictures and hand written affidavits. This wouldn’t surprise me given his obvious lying to anyone who will listen or read his site. Would it surprise you? I’ve been told this person might give the information to a Thai group that deals in hunting down such people but has some moral qualms about causing him physical harm and instead is considering the Thai and Cambodian authorities AND the Bangkok Post.
There’s more.. a lot more. Stick might not be the perfect gentleman, but he’s been out of the nightlife industry for years and has only been back to help his fellow farang when asked. In contrast the “Great Galt” is a low life predator who runs a flesh trade.
I sincerely hope Keith Summers does the “sane” thing. Take down the site and disappear. Big man with the ladies my ass. He couldn’t even pay for a hooker himself and had to have his hand held to do so. Now he holds other peoples hands.
David might choose not to post this. That’s ok, as long as the site is down by tomorrow noon I don’t care what happens. If this isn’t posted it’ll go directly to the Bangkok Post by morning. Keith is dangerous folks. He’s gotta go.
Coming at you from the wide open places where legends are made..
Shane..

Er says:

Keith is looking a bit sad now... but the site does say:

"You will play with girls in their early 20's"

so not sure where you get the children bit from; sounds more like a doublte bluff than anything else...

BTW the Bangkok Post will not publish anything unless you can back it up.

canipsi says:

this article certainly reinforced my belief that keith summers is more than a little unhinged.
however, i am really enjoying watching him slowly go down in flames... its like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Charles Frith says:

C'mon, get real. The guy is wearing a Hard Rock T-Shirt with no irony whatsover.

Chico says:

I know Stickman, and while I dont agree with many of the things he writes, I found his site informative, especially when I first came to Thailand. I personally dont care about the vendetta Summers seems to have against Stick. Infact, I was initially amused at the scrutiny of Stickman comments.

However, I think its particularly perverse to fuck with a mans life in the way he has; and it would seem for no other reason than pure spitefulness.

I'm not suggesting this course of action, its just my personal feeling on the matter, but if someone was to attack me and my livelyhood in such a personal manner I would have no problems in having him put in hospital for a lengthy period. Afterall, TIT.

Fun Times says:

Shane, I am bit confussed. You mentioned that Stickman has been out of the nighlife sceen/industry for years. However, if you pay attention to his website, it would appear that he is on the sceen every night. He's a fucking private detective. He obviously has to interact with people in the naughty nightlife sceen on a daily basis. Only difference is that now, he gets payed by suckers to go out drinking at beer bars, gogos, and discoteques so he can check up on their girlfriends. I'd even speculate that he probably enjoys that "job" a little more than he leads us to believe. I mean nobody that runs a bargirl investigation buisness, can really be all that honest of a person. I mean think about it; if you were Stickman, wouldn't you use the P.I. gig as an exuse to play around some? I sure as a hell would. How many times do you think Stickman has probably short timed the very same girls he is investigating?
And yes, I know he is a married man, blah blah blah.........

Er says:

It just came to me, Stickie is the Bangkok version of Jeffrey Archer, all arrogance and bluff and complete self-ignorance who has somehow, just like Archer, managed to get a good woman on his side.

No putting these guys down, even a prison stay didn't put Archer out... just more fodder for his literary career.

Carrie says:

Oh my goodness. This is priceless. Keith is a creepy looking and ugly person. What a total dweeb. He must be sooooo regretting this whole thing. It must have sounded like a good idea at the time but he is now THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THAILAND AND THE THAI LOVING FARANG COMMUNITY AROUND THE WORLD. Little creepy Keithy must be shitting his diapers right now. Hahahahaha. Payback is a bitch!

daniel says:

is that the same guy in ALL 3 photos they look slightly different but forget the hard rock t-shirt how does anyone have legs that white after living in thailand over an extended period of time.

ps. whats dean barret talking about he always said that stickman was bernard trink in diguise.

jake8 says:

a hoy indeed. megayuks. thanks

Liu Bei says:

daniel: "but forget the hard rock t-shirt how does anyone have legs that white after living in thailand over an extended period of time."

He probably wasn't living here at the time, just a starry-eyed sex-tourist with a dream, gladly playing the attention whore when the sex tour company asked to use his pictures...

I keep telling myself this can't get any weirder or more pathetic. I keep being proven very, very wrong.

Eagerly awaiting the next bombshell...

Kasman says:

Stickman site down, nothing new at Galt's site. It looks like both of these two flunked out of html 101 for dummies with their poorly designed websites. Maybe they should use this cooling off time, to find a real web designer and make a site that looks more like an adult english teacher would do and not like a kindergardner?
Maybe Dave at Mangosauce can have a basic html website 101 course for both Stickman and Galt. Sure they have good content at times, but that does not excuse the ignorant attempts at web design. Good entertainment value. What do you say the readers here all pony up 100 baht each, take the Stickman and Galt to Pattaya open Mua Thai ring, then let them get it on with the winner getting all the baht to support their incomes? Then the rest of us can get drunk and laugh our asses off; since these two farangs both want to be the center of attention in all of Thailand. How about guys? Winner take all? Maybe MangoSauce can come up with a special Champions Belt for the winner to parade around Walking Street with? This is better entertainment than WWE! Come on Galt post something new man?

Liu Bei says:

Kasman:

I got dibs on North American and European TV rights to the muay thai legend to last a lunchtime....

seesaw says:

I call a spade an inverted horticultural digging implement.

Just off out to get some more popcorn.

Peenoi says:

Kasman -I'm in! The Farang community need something else than T&A, beer and golf to gather around!

David, you proved yourself as the ultimate ruler of the www ! The grande finale, the peak, the zenith and the suspese ! I'm seeing sun, moon and stars in front of my eyes now!

jackson in usa says:

hey. I want to see a picture of the famous stickman.

Pattaya Peter says:

At least chapman had enough style to be obsessed with "The Catcher in the Rye," which is probably one more book than Keith Summers has read.

I was wondering where the nickname "galt" came from, thinking perhaps it was given to him by a bar girl.

This theory was confirmed by my Thai girlfriend who, upon watching an elephant relieve itself on silom road, covered her nose, frowned and said "chang galt."

"the great galt" indeed. perhaps he'll do what everyone else in hollywood does when their 15 minutes are up, namely, make a failed attempt to rob a liquor store. we can then look forward to his stay in San Quetin prison, where he'll be a conquered young virgin of a different kind.

moss says:

summer-gault = grasping at straw dogs.

That familiar lapse in self-esteem coming from the grey ends of my younger sister as she sullenly watched from a safe hiding place, stymied by her own lack of personal dynamics, and displaying mine as her own, yet she was intense...jealous...petulant, absorbing everything she could from me, only that one day she would call it her own, conquering the invisible, green dragon of selfloathing eating at her insides.

I liked Stick's allegory much better!

philH says:

David, when we ask for more tits, bums and fanny's on Mango Sauce we are referring to parts of the female anatomy not their male equivalents.

Matt says:

So we can finally conclude that Keith Summers is just a bit barmy.

Pepsi Twister says:

Both the Stick and Gault are not helping the image of Thailand, nor are they really the type of people that I think the Thais view as model 'farangs'.

The best solution would be for them to close down both sites and deport them both as "undesireables"

Derukugi says:

Well, looks like at last the Galt has hit proverbial fan.
A sex-tour guide and porn vendor with a grudge... can`t really say I am surprised.

Great investigation, Dave!

faatm says:

Shane , although Galts actions towards Stick are deplorable and his mental stability highly questionable , to say " rumour has it he has marketed underage flesh" , is one very very different thing altogether.
This is an extremely disturbing accusation indeed , and one which now that you have said it must be substantiated or shut the fuck up.
To be a moron is one thing, but to be a paedophile is something else.You should now supply the proof and then by all means burn the fucker at the stake.I'll even strike the match.

HKexpat says:

Had a look at themantour.com and I have to say that as, open minded as I am, that’s one sleazy site. It’s odd, though, that Galt accuses Stickman of being misleading when if you look at page four of the photo gallery, you’ll see many shots that obviously weren’t taken by tour members. One of the models isn’t even Thai but a Japanese AV model. Others were taken by the great and famous Shrimp, who may or may not have been paid by themantour for using his work.

I’m not pointing this out because I’m a fan of Stickman (I’m not), but because Galt’s attempts to get Stick taken down are really vile.

The lawyer says:

This is like the kettle calling the pot black.

I don't particulary care for Stickman but what does this Keith Summers guy really want here? Does he seriously believe he can go on some crusade to dictate to his fellow men what we can and cannot read!

I bet his next comment will be that the real motive was that he wanted to run in the US elections in a couple of years as he heard that a post for the next Dictator was opening up. Maybe there will be an opening for him in Iran or Iraq too.

When will this guy stop and who is he to dictate that the Internet is to be policed. Isn't it bad enough with the USA and the UN fighting over who gets control of the Internet without the Great Galt sticking his oar in as well.

For me, getting rid of the likes of Stickman, Keith Summers and all of the other sorry arsed donkies who pick Thailand as their home to covort in cannot happen soon enough.

It was bad enough when Karr had his 15 minutes of self proclaimed fame without these two now dragging the foreign community down with it as well... get them both out and let all who sail with them out 'now' as well is what I say before they do some real damage.

Dont like twerps says:

keithinasia is an alias I see he uses. Google that one.

Roberto E. Lee says:

In case Keith tried to denies that those are his photos from themantour.com, I'd like to point out a tiny little detail.
In the first, look closely. That's not a Heineken...it's a coke. Coke?! As in:
"If that guy is trim, in his 40's, a non-smoker, and is drinking a coke when everyone else is drinking a beer, you might be just looking at The Galt."
From thine own self be damned.

But Galt, let's examine your body dysmorphia: trim? Leallllyyy? Wewy inelesting. Let's delve deeper:
"They are social misfits and people that come here because the can't get along with normal people in the west."
Allow me to juxtapose that against your other statements:
"I was way behind the national average for getting laid and I had some serious life-adjustments to master before I could rectify that condition."
Meh? Looks like we've got quite the unauthorized biography being pieced together (Dicer and the other filmies, take note por favor)
Another piece fits in place:
"Little did I know at that time that a little raunchy office banter would lead me to investigate Thailand."
2 more pieces for your consideration:
"Fast forward 20 years. The party ran out, I went back to college, later started working "the grind"..... 10 years on the professional scene." and "2001, bring me to Thailand and - the focus of this column."

So let's review: Summers, in 86, goes through personal crisis. Possibly alcoholism (whom else have you ever heard so enthused about his Coke-drinking habits?) Eventually he hears about the sexpats of southeast asia from a buddy at work and decides he'd like to join the fold.
He sleeps with 2 girls, effectively doubling the number of women he's slept with (see photographic evidence above). He's shocked. He starts vacationing regularly to LoS and barfining everthing with 2 (or more) legs.
I would imagine, like most of his ilk, he falls for one. One that promises she loves him, that she'll stop being a bar girl. And who, oh who, do you think the Big ole' Summers contacts to make sure that she's keeping her word? You guessed it. And then begins the beginning of the vendetta against Sticks. In the mean time, Summers' ego balloons. He's beaten alcohol, he's beaten his born again virginity. Now all he has to do is beat his physique (ooh, there's the dysmorphia predicted) and, last but not least, his own persona of palor and powerlessness. And here we are, in medias res, at the height of the conflict. Who can plan the denouement?

Dana says:

"Who can plan the denouement?"

Quick, grab the proverbial beach chairs. The twin tsunami waves of Dicer and Tanai Kwai are coming.

fuck u stick says:

I am glad stick is getting what he deserves I submitted a piece that he allowed to be ridiculed for no reason and when I tried to defend myself he wouldn’t allow. Then I asked him to remove it and he ignored me. People take time and effort to write those pieces just to be shot down for no reason. Well as they say when the grass is cut the snakes will show. I hope his stupid ass site says down forever if not I am going to find him and pay some Thai guys 1000 dollars a piece to kick his ass.

Khon Tamada says:

-Grabs a bucket of popcorn and waits for the next thrilling installment-

A drowning man usually claws at whatever is around him. I suspect we haven't seen the last from the Galtmeister.

Thaihome says:

Pattaya Peter says:
“At least chapman had enough style to be obsessed with "The Catcher in the Rye," which is probably one more book than Keith Summers has read.
I was wondering where the nickname "galt" came from, thinking perhaps it was given to him by a bar girl
…”

Makes me wonder how many books you have read. Certainly none by Ayn Rand. Probably should do a google before you stick your foot in.

David,
Not a bad analysis of the situation. Did you give Galt a chance to respond before you published it?
TH

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Hi TH

No I didn't but I'm sure he'll be dropping by soon to air his views.

Regards
David

sniffer says:

Another (mis)quote if I may, this time from Oscar Wilde. Watching Galt going after the Kiwi dullard is surely the unspeakable in pursuit of the unedifying

Carrie says:

Boo hoo hoo. So you had a submission which was ridiculed, now you act like galt. Dry yer eyes little man, I cannot stand whiny men. Grow a fucking spine for god's sake. What submission was it? Were you the hip hopper?

John says:

so where's the stick pic?

Fun Times says:

Both of those jokers... stick and notstick need to get some content on their websites, or they will loose all their readers. Sticks website is down again for the second time in 2 weeks, and Notstick only posts once a week (he needs to finally get those "potentially coming soon" posts up too. He's had that message up for like a month now).

David, I'm just curious about something. Why did you allow the Summers/Galt pictures to be displayed on your site? I thought your grudge was with Stickman. I read an article in your archives, from back in like 2004, where Stickman refused to promote MS on his site (you seemed pretty pissed about that, at the time). What did Galt do to you that was so bad? I'm a little surprised that you exposed him. Even Galt didn't go so far to post Stickmans pics....

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Hi Fun Times

I don't bear a grudge towards anyone. The Galt/Stickman spat is simply an interesting story.

Keith Summers posted compromising photographs of himself on the Internet long before I ever became involved.

Regards
David

Grunt says:

What good can come from two Farangs making fools of themselves?

All thats left is for both to turn and attack MangoSauce!

Then David will unleash dicer upon all!

And there was much rejoicing...

P.S. Why is it when I keep a low profile, dicer is nowhere to be seen? Let your alter ego out of the cage more often, eh Dave.

max says:

Why is Stickman now off-line again ?

Dean Barrett says:

Lordy, Lordy, I enter the circus. First, "Jesse Ventura" says I am probably hanging out with Stickman and the gang on Friday nights at Gullivers on soi 5. Nope, never hung out with Stickman on any soi. Ever. Run into him maybe twice a year, usually at the Londoner (on Wednesday when drinks are 2 for 1 all night) and wave a hello. I reserve Friday nights for mentally undressing the Beefeater girl at the Londoner and then moseying on down to Demonia to do penance for my previous week's activities. OK? So put your fears to rest. Now "an insider" says if you go to NanaPlaza.com, you can find the whole gang, me, Stick, etc., pissing about the world, etc. NanaPlaza is a fun site but the only problem with that accusation is that I haven't been to NanaPlaza.com for about a year or at least several months because I am too busy mentally undressing women in various pubs, restaurants, Au Bon Pains, Starbucks, Black Canyons and 7/11's. So, no, I am not hanging about with Stickman in Gulliver's soi 5 in real life or on any website. OK? Now for "notDeanBarrettThailand" or whatever I am not the missionary you are thinking of. You are confusing me with Father T, an eccentric, extremely devout, self-proclaimed man of the cloth who blesses everyone at the beginning of go go dance contests. OK? Everybody happy now? Everything all cleared up? Good. In that case, I return you to your regularly scheduled program: This is Your Life: Keith Summers.

Codejunkie says:

So there are some people that want to take this dossier to the Thai media and the Thai authorities. ARE YOU NUTS??? And you're supposed to be concerned for all? This thing needs to be dealt with quietly or every expat in Thailand will pay the price. We need another Karr incident like a hole in the head. Weren't there some individuals with 'influence' and 'power' on this very same forum? Now's the time to put your money where your mouth is. Pattaya? Balcony?

Jim in Japan. says:

"Boo hoo hoo. So you had a submission which was ridiculed, now you act like galt".
Ha,ha!Yer,so true Carrie.My words too.The poor little pussy who uses the very brave nom de plume of "fuck u stick" should at least tell us all what submission it was? But this is eerie.Perhaps "fuck u Stick" is really Galt/Summers?Come on,be a man and grow up! Here`s the link to the Foreign Legion which might help sort you out. http://www.legion-recrute.com/en/

Fun Times says:

Carrie:
Back off the guy some. He's not the only person to get pissed off about that either. Stickman encourages his readers to write submissions for his website. It's kind of fucked up when he turns around and shits on them afterwards.

LegionSoldier says:

Hahahaha, Thats a funny nome de plume "fuk u stick". He sounds much more like Dana when he shagged that Ladyboy up the Ass. Stick rediculed him as pervert for the whole World to see.

raoul says:

David

In this whole mess you have shown a great deal of courage in allowing both sides time. While I don't agree with the methods John Galt used it is important that someone give both sides a voice, as you have.

Whos Your Daddy

If Stick has a problem it is only fair that you should as well as you enjoyed tremendous “benefits” from the Stick page.

Apparently all the staff at Chula and many other schools now know about the site that you and Stick ran. Teachers and students from many schools as well as your coworkers are looking at links to many different sites- including this one.

If Stick had one percent of the knowledge of Thai culture he thought he had he could have gotten out of this without a single problem by merely leaving the site down for a few weeks. In putting the site back up Stick really stuck it to you.....

Being a whore monger is OK and being a fundamentalist Christian is OK. But you can't be both at the same time and you have to make a decision at some point. By trying to do both you are putting other people in the position of deciding for you. Quoting scripture will not work this time and no matter how many Bible passages you have memorized you are not fit to be around children in a school setting.

You deny going out drinking with Stick but the truth is quite different. I guess it may depend on what the definition of going “out drinking” is. My definition is that it often involves alcohol and paid sex with prostitutes at least in the bars you and Stickman frequent – the kind with nudity, dancing, pretty women, etc. You know, Friday and Saturday night when you don't have to deal with your students the next day.

In your case the only question is whether or not you had beer or nam soda.

Whos Your Daddy, you really need to make a decision very quickly as you were so closely involved in the Stick site for so long. If you confess your sins no later than tonight on this board we can consider the matter closed provided you are able to give up paying prostitutes for the duration of your stay in Thailand. If you are not able to do this today the next step is less pleasant for you.

To give you a hint it will involve evidence of your sexual exploits and most certainly result in your needing to find another country from which you can continue your “deeply religious teacher by day whoremonger by night” facade.

Just in case you did not realize, when Stickman ends up with a large tax bill from the bar girl investigation scam you should share that bill as you benefited about equally from this.

Your call, hypocrite!!

TatooedBiker says:

Yeah! LegionSoldier, "when the grass is cut the snakes will show"....

That sounds uncannily like Dana buddy!

Derukugi says:

John and others:
I don`t understand why you keep naming the two protagonists in one breath. Don`t you see the differenc?
Stick did not attack anyone; Summers/Galt made it his business to stalk Stick.
I don`t get this "blame the victim" mentality. Summers stepped over the line, not Stick.

Foxy says:

Did anyone notice the 'girl' with Keith in that photo?

Check out the mantour site and you'll see a larger image of 'her' with another katoy.

So Keith - why not just come out of the closet since you so desperately want everyone to know you?

notstickfan says:

Been watching this space for awhile so I’ll add my impressions. There is a link to photos allegedly of JG. Why do you believe these to be JG? Is there any posted evidence that it’s him in the photos? Does anyone believe JG is a real name and not an alias? Like many people, I’ve enjoyed Stick’s site for a few years. I sent him a few submissions that I wished to have removed and he refused. His reasoning was that they were “popular” and he then brushed me off. I’m not going to bother calling JG names. I empathize with the parents of his students. I wouldn’t want Stick teaching my children because after my little incident with him refusing to remove my submissions, I think he has bad character. I also requested the submissions be anonymous and for a few days, my name was on the submission until I caught it. I have many friends, family, and colleagues reading Stick’s site and it was a tense week as I felt outed and a few people asked if the writer was me which I had to lie and deny. I wasn’t happy with Stick’s blunder but we all make mistakes. By now, I’m convinced Stick’s school has been spammed with email from readers of Mango and JG so I’m curious if any action will be taken. I’ve read JG site in depth and the identity of Stick is [Name removed]. I don’t have the link to his school handy but his photo appears. Thank you for publishing my views.

Derukugi says:

Notstickfan:
You can find Keith Summer`s pictures on Ebay (look for AsianSignals) and compare those those to the pictures on the mantour site.
That should answer your question.

bob says:

why keep removing sticks real name when most of us know it anyway, while allowing galts real name to be continuously printed????????

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Bob - The consensus is that Summers shouldn't have "outed" Stickman. It would also be wrong for me to do so - David

marklatham says:

HEy Stickman-YoU wouldn"t meat wif me either,A fE@low ocklander-IaX not A stal:ker OK.
YOO arse a disGRce.

Liu Bei says:

A stickman reader wrote: "I hope his stupid ass site says down forever if not I am going to find him and pay some Thai guys 1000 dollars a piece to kick his ass."

Dear penpal,

If it costs you thousand dollars to hire thai guys to kick someone's ass, you're getting ripped off and you're a moron.

Have a nice day.

"Onward keyboard warriors, marching as to war..."

Who knew sex tourists were such a thin-skinned lot?

TPE says:

Whilst well known that I am a friend of Sticks, I feel I can also pass an impartial comment :
Any site with what is by and large correct/useful information on Thailand is obviously helpful to those people who are not frequent visitors ; I just wish sites such as this, and stickmans, had been running 20 years ago when I first ventured to LOS, - it would have saved me alot of time and money, I had to learn the hard way, and the only weekly update of nightlife events was the Trink page.
Certainly, after a time, and this may be hard for those who have only spent holidays, or a few years in the Kingdom, to believe, but sitting in Go-Go bars, getting drunk daily, having dozens of numbers of cute young TGs on your mobile etc, can in fact become a little boring - likewise when Stick puts out a weekly column, there are times, after 10 odd years, you are going to repeat yourself, or perhaps not always attain the original standard ; BUT, think of the 1000's of people who have gratefully taken some of his advice over the years - as they did Trinks, and I guess I can say, did people from me.
Mr Summers is certainly free to continue his site, to promote it, whatever, - and perhaps he will also pass on worthwhile info at times, but to have any credibility, he needs to do it under his own banner -
As to the stick knockers, - well, you have an additional site [ for how long ? ] to use instead.
Lets not forget, that by and large, the regular LOS male visitor is not your humble, quiet, reserved, monogomous 9-5 worker, - I believe most are hedonistic, I certainly was when I arrived ! When you put yourself in the public eye, offer to help this type of person, for sure, you are going to fail at times, and to upset others,but I believe that Stick, and that I can honestly say myself, when I began the company in the mid 90's that still runs today, DID OUR BEST. -

Hopeless romantic says:

The only one with any talent is Mango Sauce, both Stick and Notstick should be absorbed into Mango Sauce under the 'Just for kids' section...

Liu Bei says:

Where is Dicer? I need a fix. perhaps Dicer can drop some clues as to which book? Fiction or nonfiction? recent or not?

I need some entertainment dammit and sex tourists are boring when they're not making death threats toward each other.

Prediction: Liu Bei's fawning rebuked by Dicer. Liu Bei, bitter and shallow, stalks dicer and exposes the lurid details of Dicer's personal life. Dicer's sycophants threaten to kill Liu Bei and otherwise inconvenience him.

Liu Bei begs to have his picture published on MS, especially the cool one with the Hard Rock Cafe T-shirt and the one with the ladyboy.

Rebuked by David as well, Liu Bei, bitter and shallow, starts www.notmangosauce.com. Before the sight gets off the ground, a Peter Greenaway fan offs Liu Bei for his lukewarm comments on Mr. Greenaways work.

The envelope Liu Bei left with his only friend (see ladyboy photo) finds its way to the Thai media and Thai authorities. Visa laws tighten, sexpats are expelled from Thailand, the serviced apartment market crashes, and as a result of which the Thai economy crashes, and everyone lives happily ever after. The end.

Geoff says:

Come on David,

It has been mentioned a few times and you have brushed it off, but you are clearly protecting Stick and hanging Galt out out dry. You have passed the blame off onto Galt himself for the outing of his name and pics but certainly Stick, running a semi-seedy website for the past 5 or 6 years is not exactly Mr. Discreet. If one wants to remain anonymous, such an endevour ain't the way to do it.
Now I fully support the 'David's Website, David's rules' attitude you have but at least be honest and don't try to convince us that you are allowing the posts to be fair and unbiased.

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Geoff - Contributors can (and do) say anything they like about Stickman so long as it's not libellous. For the record, I deleted just one comment today and removed Stickman's real name from another - David

Rick H. says:

For the life of me I can't fathom why this topic drums up such passionate (or so many) comments. It's kinda creepy.

blaa says:

so when does notMangosauce.com come out??

Geoff says:

David,

If you have removed his real name (and I recall, references to his school) then clearly contributors CANNOT say anything (non libelous) they like. Unless, Sticks actual name is some form of libel in and of itself.....

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Geoff

I'm not going to repeat myself. Cast your eye up the page and you'll see that I've explained my position already.

You, however, have been a little less than candid with me. Your website reveals that you are a friend of Keith Summers.

But I could have guessed that...

Regards
David

tracy says:

The Galt/Stickman skirmish recalls the time when MS was targetted by self appointed web vigilantes, threatening all sorts of retribution. (Were they called "What is the Shape" or something?)

Wombat says:

I tried to reason with him but he wouldn't be swayed. Completely obsessed & self righteous. If there is evidence of Summers, or anyone else for that matter, molesting children then it should be given to the authorities immediately. Not used as leveridge. Summers hypocrisy is breathtaking. His next rant should be interesting.

man with no name says:

Why can't people let this thing rest. The galt is just a big attention seeker, with a possible mental disorder. Jeez it's so creepy! the longer it drags on the more attention he gets, the more he loves it! Plus it's old news now.

Dicer says:

Now that Dana has chained himself to a deckchair (he's seen too many of those films I'm sure.)...

Living up to Chapman and Dean Barrett's protestations are quite funny.

All of which goes to show that geezer existence in slimeland in first stages is a mental dismissal...going asocial. Like the geezer I saw in the Samui hotel lobby whose self concept is he's feisty; he walks around the hotel in his y-fronts, even chats up the staff in the lobby. Dementia can creep up like bad underwear. Some guide books say Thailand is the eccentric zone and you can be as weird as you want. Which is fairly true.... Galt's idea of eccentric is lame though. Locals expect you to be raving mad. The closer you are to looking demented (like the BKK go-go girls targeting the mentally ill) the more amused they seem to be. Just like crossing the Mexican border, they more stupid you seem the more they like it and the more you fit their profile of a real gringo. Anyway geezer in underwear said he's a newspaper reporter and a novelist. Oh Boy!

"perhaps Dicer can drop some clues as to which book? Fiction or nonfiction? recent or not? " - Lui Bei

I can think of Cervantes.

If you mix dementia with the personality thing of being eccentric with some geezers (like an awful lot of people here), they have a problem because they will easily dismiss weird behaviour or laugh it off. I think Stickman should send Galt Don Quixote. Suddenly he (like some of us) will realise Don Quixote is dedicated to a guy going through these early stages. In a few rare moments he comes back to reality and there are sad moments. In book II however reality turns out to be nearly as weird as Don Quixote. This is the book Galt should buy for Stickman. Cervantes wrote book I and made a fortune. 18 years later a pseudo book 2 came out to set the record right. He put in all the variations of the modern novel. For example, right in the beginning of book II Don Quixote and Sancho go to an inn where people have read about them in book I...Unamuno (David perhaps can take the role?) picked this up and did several novels fooling around with reality later. Which is exactly what's going on.

The elephant guy in Chiang Mai: This fellow said he felt sorry for elephants, went to bkk to buy sick old street elephants and then for some odd reason forced them to walk all the way from bkk to cm to an elephant camp. Well... you know Saxons in low blood sugar denial. This was the underwear man's "pal" by the way. Trying to figure out topics for his mate..sure. So you wonder what the point is? People who want to write their autobiography and publish it for the family albeit they just don't have a background to work on excepting stuff that crossed their path 20 years ago, like Galt's finger story. I look at them and can’t help raving about Borat and misfits.

Tens of thousands of misfits and some pretending to be Jack London?

"For the life of me I can't fathom why this topic drums up such passionate (or so many) comments. It's kinda creepy. - " Rick H.

Maybe the geezers in underwear, Galt, Stick, the man in the bar, the hecklers here are the same as bkk aisle girls being territorial? Bkk prostitutes used to come out at 6pm to a mates apartment lobby and would run people off they didn't like. They took over. After all, the lobby was theirs as soon as the Chinese manager went home. They staked out those sofas. Once they called three Nigerian ladies f****n n*****s after they came in asking for a place and having been told there weren't any stepped out, but were still in earshot distance. Nice girls. So you start to wonder about this, even locals telling you stories about being knocked over by aisle girls, an obvious territoriality. They tried this on Attila, but I sent a few reeling into the cans. A version of this is the cashiers deciding upon whom to wait at US malls. You or not you. Is this territory or power? In the US if you touch a person it is simple assault so you won't find clerks running into you. If they do, you can beat them up on the spot or go postal with a gun. In Thailand is this primal territory stuff right out of Dog Whisper a peasant thing or what? Do feelers and listeners get more into territory than visual people? It's like China demanding Taiwan, doesn't make any sense, but in dog psychology terms, it's a big deal. So part of the neutering can just be idealised thinking that distances one from animal stuff. You end up here with rampaging Chihuahuas who take you for a Great Dane...woof woof...they love running you out and resort to lack of respect as their main weapon. And then you have the Great Danes go psycho... unable to nip back at the Chihuahuas turn on each other. From his language and website it's obvious that Stickman is an unredeemable auditory and Galt is the classic feeler who is gone gone gone.... and both have no visual sense or critical faculties at all.... just look at their words.

So the question really is: where do these misfit goofballs belong?

If you go into the Shan Burmese jungle and meet the Wa they can in all likelihood greet you with a round of AK or poisoned arrows. Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Thais chucked all these goofballs in biblical sandals into Shan and let the Wa take care of them. Can you imagine any of these guys writing blogs from Waland. stickmanwa.com galtwalanded.com etc... You enter the forest and the road forks... one says WADDLERS THIS WAY..... and the other one doesn’t have a sign.

And the mutants?

For the aisle girls and hookers as well as other mutants you could even speculate in animal territory terms that colonisation backed up some packs into reconsidering their offensive strategies. For instance, the Burmese poodles got stomped by the Brit spaniels. With territory overrun, there is a period of retrospection, not about culture, but about an analysis that leads to a certain kind of realisation. Of course today the Burma government is still doing the Phibun thing the Bushido Japs started seventy years ago, but Burmese don't have that chip on their shoulders. Whereas in slimeland it's different. Sneers are spears.

There we are sandwiched between retardomutants and various species of psychoalbinos doing survival of the luckiest. Well...a jaded and sullen Kiwi Marlowe wannabe and an awful yank (an appliance salesman no less) trying to make satiric jabs are not really reps of the wider audience, but the hecklers in distress here obviously are.

mad_dog says:

Bring back Trink. If you want your naughty nightlife info from a piece of societal vomit Sickman and Galt are amateurs.

ChangMaiKelly says:

Im sorry but I really must point out that this guy 'notstickfan' sounds like such a contriving farcical leper that I dont believe any of his shit. He's probably the same person as 'fuk u stik' in desguise. Think about it. Whate the fuck kind of complaint is this:

"I’ve read JG site in depth and the identity of Stick is [Name removed]. I don’t have the link to his school handy but his photo appears"

Well, if someone really wanted retribution, would he really try to reveal Stick's name on MS? And would anyone drop his name and then not reveal the link to his school? What a pathetic effort at falsifying a false 'enemy'

Is that you again Dana?

Jesse Venturer says:

to dean barrett:

you are so full of sh#t, it is sliding down your pant legs.

if I catch you ever on the street, I'll do my famous wwf move on you, and teach you not to lie.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard

Galt 9.5 Stick 7.5

Andy says:

Ugh. Oily little twerp isn't he?

canipsi says:

mr KoolKing,
im not real sure that anyone here is interested in your scorecard. you must have posted it at least a ½ dozen times(i may be wrong) and everyone has ignored it yet you continue to post about it.
it seems as though there are few people here who are truly impartial so maybe its best to wait for the final outcome.

John Galt says:

Whoops! Stickman has stepped into some deep shit with folks in the naught night life industry. Tell him to expect a phone call from someone he knows.

NotLiuBei says:

Jesse Venturer: " to dean barrett: you are so full of sh#t, it is sliding down your pant legs. if I catch you ever on the street, I'll do my famous wwf move on you, and teach you not to lie."

Famous WWF move? Oh really? You're Jesse VENTURA then? Either your move ain't that famous or you're imitating a former pro wrestler whose name you can't even spell? Please continue with the lecture in honesty you're obviously an expert. And no I am not supporting Dean Barrett, I'm just laughing at YOU, keyboard warrior.

I shall now sit back and eagerly await death threats from Royce Gracie, or at least Royse Graysey.

"Onward Keyboard Warriors, marching as to war..."

Mike says:

This Galt is a petty loser! If you dont like Stickman, then dont read it. Its like people who enjoy being aggrevated and complaining all the time. I am going to thailand and read maybe 20% of stickmans site and when i went back to read more its gone.

Pattaya Peter says:

Thaihome:

That's clever! Of course Keith Summers is a genius! Anyone who needs an actual tour guide to get laid in thailand is probably next in line for nobel prize in literature.

Here's a better idea... google yourself a fucking sense of humor.

Common Sense says:

So to sum this situation up Stick pissed off Galt (and half the expat websurfers over the years) so Galt seeks revenge. Galt achieved his goal and a bit extra. Now all of Sticks fans wish death upon Galt the same as many others have wished death upon Stick for a few years. Now Mango Sauce has provided a forum for everyone to express their hatred for whichever side they choose and the big bad internet bullies make their worthless threats. Theres a T-Shirt in Thailand that describes this whole mess.

Same Same-But Different

I've glanced over both their sites for about 5 minutes each and I wish I could get back that lost 10 minutes off my life. Their both no talent hacks with shit sites and a questionable business practices from what I gather.

My only concern is Mango Sauces role in this fiasco. This is a hilarious, entertaining, and informative site. I'd hate to see any fallback come this way but I think you may be setting yourself up for it David. You've allowed Galts true name to be posted on your site even after many Stick supporters expressed threats. Then went an extra step and posted 3 pics of him. I can't recall you ever posting more than 1 pic per article. You then refuse to post Sticks true name or a photo even though these are also available on the net. You've always done a fantastic job of moderating this forum by posting true info, being fair, and respecting all views. While I agree Galt crossed the line it should be up to Stick to defend himself on his own site and handle the dirty work of posting names and pics. Keeping us informed of the situation is one thing but I would say this has gone a bit far. I'd hate to see any fallback come to this site if the Thai authorities get involved after one of these idiots on here send in information about this fiasco or worse and one of them actually harms Galt. God only knows if the pricks will start blocking sexpat websites.

KoolKing says:

canipsi......

I've been steadily watching the Anna Nicole Smith C-Section saga birth extravaganza that's been on television here constantly for the past two weeks. So, yes, this scorecard does have relevance, at least to me. In fact, I'm updating it now:

Scorecard

Galt 10 Stick 7.5

Galt gets a half point for posting here.

Nasty nick says:

Common sense says it all.

If one of these two go down they will both fall and could take many others with them.

David you have not been fair moderator in this.

You should tread the middle ground both of them are grown men with their own site for posting what they wanted.

You post one set of pics and not the other.

At least Galt is not testicularly challenged which gets my vote.

Nick

onewaymirror says:

The picture of Keith Summers on the sex tour makes my blood run cold. Kieth Summers is a weird little freak, almost certain to be dateless in the USA because he doesnt even come close to being the physical type that chics dig in the states. small. wormy. receeding. He is so similar to John Karr it is scary. wow. Mangosauce really hit the jackpot with this expose ! when you see Summers picture, his ravings suddenly add up to what he is : a maladusted FREAK.
Now, I wish Mangosauce would be fair and put up Stickmans pic and name as well.

soi honey says:

what good for the goose is good for the gander
how can you not put sticks detials up too thats not deformation
i think you should be even handed you run with the story gave it credence so you should cowboy up as we say done the soi
or is it the old mates act
if so thats ok to back your mates up but not ethical you should say that the real reason

Derukugi says:

Nick, OnewayMirror and others:

I hate sounding like a broken record, but there is "fairness" in this situation.
Galt is stalking Stick, not the other way around. Nothing mutual here, so it is unreasonable to ask David to introduce "fairness" by treating two sides equally.

Is John Lennon the same as Chapman? If some stalker followed YOU, do you think YOU should be treated just as the stalker?

Please, get some perspective. There is difference between the perp and his victim.

John Galt says:

David,

Are you going to cut me in on the future profits of all the web traffic you're generating? OR, are you going to ask me for a cut of all the hit's I've gotten from you? People are going to think we are working together.

You know, I still like the Muay Thai boxing idea. But Stickman isn't allowed to sell tickets!

I'm serious. When this all blows over, I'm up for it. A little grudge exhibition match at the beer bar next to walking street would be crowd pleaser. Plenty of room there for friends (and enemies).

Besides, you know I like fame. I may be getting another 15 minutes at the boxing ring.

the truth says:

the stick has victimized many people with his commentaries. so, don't go talking as if he is an angel.

actually, I find it entertaining to see the stick getting a taste of his own.

nevertheless, if you want to know who the stick is, galt said he would expose the guy next week. just be patient, and all will be revealed.

it is true what they say, "what comes around, goes around."

jesse venturer says:

hey mike, if you don't like what they are saying on this string, don't read it. do like you yourself recommended, don't continue reading this string.

personally, I like to see a pic of the stick, and know what his real name is.

Mr Lucky says:

The slow-motion car wreck just keeps going. I've got a pain in the neck from gawking at it. But you know what? I was on my way somewhere when I came upon this tragi-comedy. Now I got places to be. Take my foot off the brake and hit the gas. I'm outta here.

Pants Elk says:

I've spent the last quarter of an hour trying to care about any of this.

That's fifteen minutes when I could have had a wank and a beer.

My bad.

Off The Wall says:

Anyone notice that once "John Galt" makes a post that about 4-5 other "Stick haters" make posts too? Does the guy have imaginary friends?

Stick has "stepped in it" with the naughty night life folks? Implied threat? Doesn't surprise me. Hey Cunt, yep that's you Mrs. Summers. Ever see one of those movies where a guy on horseback with a six shooter is staring down a mob armed with six shooters and then aims at the head guy and says: "you can take me out for sure, but my first bullet is gonna go right between your eyes.." Think about it. Let me know if you need help.

More for the little cunt: Muay Thai? HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH Thank you, making me laugh was the first positive thing you've done on the web.

Yes.. Keith Summers does resemble Karr quite a bit doesn't he? Do you think peds share the same genes? Scary thought. And another astute observation from the guy who says with the cunts looks he could never get a girl in the states.. especially with that controlling "me me me" personality.

To the "I hate Stick" fans and the "lets be fair by posting both sets of pictures" people.. Let's try to remember that Stick was minding his own business and was 'attacked' by the cunt. He is the victim, the cunt the bad guy. Perspective folks, always a valuable skill.

More perspective: This entire thing only hurts all farang, past present and future. Who instigated this entire mess? Yes, the cunt. Do all farang a great service and don't visit the cunts site again and he'll go away. Yes I know, you get curious. Me too. But is it worth it? This is your chance to take a moral stand.

Stick? Put your site back up. The cunt is fading fast and from what I understand will be 'tied up' soon enough in legal matters. Anyone want to volunteer to bring the cunt his Propescia while in prison? Btw - I look forward to meeting you soon.

Dicer? Gawd man, where does that stuff come from? You're like Dana on speed.. but cogent. Sorry Dana, you know we love you and belong to your church and all, but you are one warped dude..

David? I'll hand it to you, you've got some people skills and you are as fair as they come. I too question providing a forum for shit slinging, but how could you pass this up?

This all reminds me of that old saying "if you don't have something nice to say...." Keith, you made yourself the perfect example. And please stop lying. Does your mom or wife know you lie so much? Think of their feelings. I suspect that when you are not trying to "get even" with your imaginary enemies that you're probably a nice guy. Let's see some more of that side of you ok?

To my fellow partners in crime, thank you for the assists. Shane? You're one scary dude. Wide open places? HAHAHAHA we all 'came from' some wide open places.....;o)

I miss banana ice cream...

Jack Wow says:

All this crap about what's good enough for the goose. What bollocks! Galt wanted to play games about outing Stick. Only obsessed wierdos like himself - the truth, jesse venturer and the others here short on a life - gave a shit about what Stick looks like, where he works etc.

David's been spot on by respecting Stick's privacy and this piece was perfect timing - a few days before Summers may fulfill his threat to show Stick's pic, and also come clean about who he really is.

It's starting to feel like this soap opera's going to come to an end soon. What a shame, it's been quite riveting. But the bad guy always gets it in the end.

Boswell says:

So, if a girl is raped or a person is murdered should we also show pictures of them? Galt is the 'rapist' the ' murderer, he deserves all the negative feedback he is getting. I guess he is sitting, shit scared, up in Nakon Nowhere waiting for a knock on the door...Enjoy it Summers. From a friend of your family.

bob says:

ah confirmation of our worst fears that Galt is an outright loony .
watch your backs everybody ,who's gonna be next on his hitlist ?

John Galt says:

Next on my hit list? How many illegal enterprises are there out there? And out of all of those, how many of you are screwing around with public opinion to hurt one of my friend's businesses?

If you answer those questions, then you'll know where I stand. David, how about we show one of your pictures?

Hell, why don't we all just meet up a Gulliver's for a group shot, publish it, and get this over with?

Benny the Pen says:

Stickmanlovers!
It's time to face the facts - the Stickman site will never be the same again. Obviously he has removed all the "objectionable" content to keep his teaching job. Good move by him I think - why give up a steady job among Bangkok's respectable people (now that he has a middle-class Thai wife as well) in favour of being a publicist for sex-hungry Farangs??? Surely, the guy knows where his future lies. Good on him!!! And good luck to him and his family.
Stickman lovers - get used to fidning other sources of information on Thai nightlife because the Stick is no more . . .

Off The Wall says:

Dear Mrs. Summers:

My gosh freaky cunt, you can't be serious? Let's examine your last post:

"Next on my hit list? How many illegal enterprises are there out there? And out of all of those, how many of you are screwing around with public opinion to hurt one of my friend's businesses?"

Ummm.. zillions? How about every street vendor out there? Every massage place? Bars where they dance topless or nude or know the women who work there are prostituting themselves? Every website? Do you think they all report 100% of their income and pay taxes on it? You've got to be kidding????????? Delusional at best..

Who cares if one of these illegal businesses is Stick's site or your friends bar?

And cunt face, why can't your friend stand up for himself if he's got a problem with Stick? Are you his 'bitch' or something? If the guy can't handle his own problems he'd have to be very hard up to need your help.

"If you answer those questions, then you'll know where I stand."

You stand for nothing. Wait, not true. You're a poster boy for PervsRus, a shining example of what not to be or not to do if you want to make friends and stay in Thailand.

" David, how about we show one of your pictures?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH You're proving me right once again when I first said it was only a matter of time before the perv 'bitch' turned on someone else. NEWSFLASH.. da da da dit dit dit..incomeing reads: NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT ANYONE LOOKS LIKE, though it was pretty funny to see your picture and then read how you described yourself. Fucking delusional I tell you!

Don't you realise how dangerous you are becoming to those in the naughty nightlife industry? Can you spell "KEITH SUMMERS IS A FUCKING HUGE LIABILITY WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO SHUT HIS CUNT FACE MOUTH????"

"Hell, why don't we all just meet up a Gulliver's for a group shot, publish it, and get this over with?"

Delusional again. First, what makes you think ANYONE wants to drink with you? Hell, they're afraid to stand next to you in case a shooter(s) on the motorbike(s) drives by with guns O'blazing.

One more thing. You were very stupid to not take the advice you were recently given. Stand by for a major events..

What a fucking moron..

myworldbkk says:

First an introduction:
I an Aussie in Bangkok, living and working in Thailand for 8 years, and no, never have I worked as an English teacher. But what I do here is no body's business other than mine, but I do okay and I live in Thailand by choice and enjoy the many benefits of living here. Yes, I have a work permit and all my income comes from overseas customers... no, not an eBay business like the great ego, but all you sluths can knock yourselves out to find out if that is what gives you your jollies.

I post this now because I can see that all you guys are going to totally wreck it all for all of us. We are all joined by the fact that we are foreigners living here by the grace of the Thai authorities and the Thai people. This in mind, it is time to stop this crazy madness.
David, David, David,
For goodness stop this madness now! Close this thread NOW, and stop any further involvement in this ridiculous game being played out where you are being also played for a sucker in galt's master plan for his own glorification. You have become no better than galt by now gaining web mileage from the whole crazy debate. Galt set about to fast track notoriety by bashing a successful webmaster in Thailand and profit by the ensuing debate. His middle finger strategy still works so well for him. This he has succeeded in doing, and now you are helping him, and profiting personally in the process.
For goodness sake.... STOP NOW.
All this has gone far enough!
Surely all can see what is really going on here. Stickman has been astute enough to stay out of this affair (as much as he is possibly able to) to his absolute credit. I am not a stickman fan but I have been an occasional reader of his site for over 5 years. When I first read his site my thoughts were that I had wished I had the information that he offered when I first came here 8 years ago. It would certainly have changed many of the things that happened to me. If I had only the information on galt's site, then the best that I could hope for would be to become a highly successful sex tourist and, should I have asked for it, with his paid for help no doubt.

Stickman offers only his personal experiences and views. He has always has stated that the views expressed are his own and readers are invited to take them or leave them as they wish. I have no doubt as to his motives for publishing his site. If you have ever read the disclaimers on his site, you would know this. He has been perhaps a little too candid in some of his stories and anecdotes and that is his only failing that I can see. We all have our skeletons in the closet and no readers of this thread can bullshit some high moral standing to disagree. He has built up a very large following without really having that as his goal. It is a hobby, simple as that. What happened, in that he ended up with a large readership, only shows that so many guys could relate easily to his personal experiences and were thankful for the insights that he presented. I am no accountant, but I can guess that any income from the site would be lucky to cover expenses and maybe a couple of beers, but that is about all.

If "The Great Galt" had anything real to offer, then it is perfectly reasonable to start his own website and gather his own readership, just as stickman has done. But NO, he wanted only to fast track his popularity by doing a smear campaign against a popular and relatively high profile, self made, www personality. He was guaranteed to gain some short term success. But now MS is doing exactly the same thing, extracting visitor numbers at the expense of stickman. Can none of you guys do it alone, the way that stickman has done? Do you all need to attack stickman or in other ways to ride on his back to gain some readership? All who criticize that the stickman, or for that matter, the galt, site, for the content...... do you have a website to show as what you class as better, or are you only interested in throwing your mud and sitting back, basically impotent critics with nothing to offer yourselves.

There is no doubt that the great galt has become now a professional sex tourists, and lures patrons with his sexploits among the bargirls of Thailand. Not to mention that he also asks us all to be in awe of the fact that he is able to seduce young, poverty struck, uneducated virgins. And we are to respect this man?? Come on guys, would you really want to be associated with someone whose expertise only lies in that kind of activity, and even promotes it to others as being so readily available in Thailand - under age virgins waiting for your few greenbacks and ready to give their bodies to you? Are you proud of that Mr galt, and are you, Mr reader proud to associate with this individual and support him with your contributions?
In all the time that I have read stickman, and that would be about once a month tops just to catch up on the column and the readers emails, which I find quite entertaining and sometimes informative or amusing, I have never once been induced to think that the stickman site was anything other than what it is purported to be and simply one mans view of life in the land of smiles. Not shy to talk about the naughty night life because, after all, that is simply the reality of the place.
Whether or not galt is a pedophile, which all the evidence on his website would indicate, is of no concern of mine. If readers of this site have the evidence as they are claiming to have, then surely in the best interest of all foreigners in the Kingdom, they have a responsibility to report that to the authorities so that he can be quickly dealt with as an aberration, and avoid all of us from being tarred with the same brush. If foreigners were to report about such activities by a fellow foreigner, then it would show that the majority of us will not condone such activity. If the same scrutiny of stickman were instituted, I am sure that he has nothing to fear, but if he has, then so be it - crucify him too.
But, David, it is not up to you to do it all publicly as you are currently doing. Stop the thread NOW, and refuse to be part of it any more. Sure, it is getting you website traffic, as it is this galt guy, neither of you deserve it. You are both parasites on stickman's success. Let those with an axe to grind do it through the proper channels if they really have something to present or shut up forever, and lets all just quietly get about enjoying life in paradise without this continuous public slur on the image of all of foreigners in the Kingdom.

myworldbkk is what it is, and I am most interested in protecting it.

Aussie in Bangkok

A former friend of Summers says:

Fuck off Keith you complete tosser. You are the laughing stock of the farang community (and those thais in the know). Give it up. You lost face big time. You are finished in Thailand. Go back to Daddy who had to bail you out when you lost your wallet on the bus in Cambodia. Yeah even your friends are turning on you now asshole. You know who I am by reference to the wallet.

Welsh Wizard says:

If you read between the lines and the fact Galt is involved in organising sex tourism holidays (if true), do you think that Galt had approached Stick for advertising space and was rejected because Stick took a moral stance; is this the real reason for the feud? Could well be. I miss the site quite frankly and have to go back actually working during the day instead of finding time to read the submissions. I’m most unimpressed with Galt’s actions. I will miss Dana, Union Hill, and Frank Visaky etc as they are excellent writers as they are able to put across many a plausible tale that has kept me occupied until I return to The Land of Smiles. Maybe we should get the archives from Stick and host them elsewhere so that they can continue to educate the masses.

Kasman says:

I like Galt's idea about the group photo at Gullivers.

Stickman, Galt and Mango all in a group photo. Hold on! The idea light just came on?

How about printing up some tee-shirts with the group photo (Stick, Alt and Mango - The Bangkok 3)?

I have an extra 250 baht this week that I can spare for a premo tee-shirt with 3 of Bangkoks most notorious webmasters.

Get your orders in now for your very own Bangkok 3 Tee Shirt. Maybe we can get the Stickman, Alt and Mango do to a little autograph session afterwards?

Galt, maybe you can expose Stickman and Mango just prior to the tee-shirts sales to ensure maximum profits.

Change my order to (2) please. These are sure to be collectors items.

bush says:

hey david:

why don't we do what john galt is suggesting?

publish all your pictures and get this over with.

..got something to hide?

in my opinion, people as vocal as you guys are don't deserve any privacy. ..especially if you guys like to comment on others so much.

david, did you know that you ruined one of my friends life because of one of your stories?

..because of you, he can't stay in thailand anymore, a##hole.

I know, I know.. of course, you didn't mean to do that. it just happened that way.

..jerk.

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Hi Bush

Why don't you share his story with us?

Or was he involved in some criminal enterprise that you'd rather not talk about?

Regards
David

Half Man Half Goat says:

This whole episode between Stickman and Galt has been thoroughly entertaining. I enjoy watching people air their dirty laundry in public. I know from personal experience that anyone, and everyone, who has lived in Thailand abandons all morals and etiquette when the lure of Siam enters the bloodstream. We are all degenerates that frequent this place. Whatever we do here in LOS, our primary reason for living here is to fuck little brown women for the price of a meal back home. End of. None of us are models; none of us are desirable; none of us are worth shit. Search your conscience and recall all the times that your western upbringing has told you that what you do on a daily basis is wrong: and yet it feels so good. My point is: we are not fit to judge. Yes, we have an opinion but we are the lowest of the low when it comes to the human race.

This whole episode seems like the damned throwing pitchforks at each other in Hell whilst Luciifer (the moderator) looks on gleefully. NB. Not judging you David, just extending the simile.

From what I know of human nature some people (such as Keith Summers) so desperately need attention that any will do. Even the negative. His photos, especially the third in this montage, disturbs me. His face is all scars if you look closely. Perhaps I see my own reflection therein.

Overall, this spat is amusing at best but I would'nt let it spoil my day. Websites come and go as do STD's. But please remember: we are not what we think, rather we are just another shit smudge on a hanky floating in an immense sea of raw sewage. So don't judge. I accept what I am (inna kinda Buddhist way) so the shit sticks and I can't smell it anymore.

Crudski says:

All of you get over it,they're both a set of little lightweight dickheads,ooh i'm gonna do this and he's gonna do that!please lol

Entertain boring morons says:

Is this not the circle jerks forum? I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. Age has no effect on immaturity.

Two lower life forms get together and scheme for attention; mine is bigger no mine is.

If you can get no other job in Thailand there is always English teaching because Thailand is so desperate for English teachers who will work for beer money.

The attraction; poor rice farmer girls victimized by lack of education and opportunity and no shortage of middle aged low life beer sucking deluded delusional Christians to share their triumphs at victimizing these girls again and again.

Who is to care the sign posts in the road pointing direction to despair? Some cur happens along to squat or piss on that directional scum is just a normal event. Remove the sign and have all the low life losers lost in their own ignorance for like mined septic waste.

bangkokram says:

For once I have to agree with Common Sense.

I'm not really bothered who started this load of bollox! The two parties should sort it out themselves on their respective forums.

Mangosauce as taken a side, so fair moderation is out of the window, instead of throwing petrol on this fire, a quick look back to the archieves to see that readers want, GO GO Bar stories, everyday observations and posts from your travels around Thailand.

Let Galt and Stickman sort this out between themselves, Maybe a Muay Thai bout is the best option. I know the traffic to the site is good, but lets get on with everyday life.

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Hi Bangkokram

Maybe you should wait until your own blog welcomes its first visitor before giving me advice about how to attract an audience.

Common Sense made a good point, though.

Regards
David

PS. I sided with John Lennon too.

The lawyer says:

Many will think this post is yet another arm chair / keyboard warrior rattling his sword in his scabbard but I can assure you it is not.

I can confirm that as of this morning, a certain file containing information about a certain two websites and their alledged activities has just been handed to a senior supreme court judge for consideration along with copies to certain Thai authorities here for their review.

In this file, there is a stack of mounting evidence which has been equally aimed at Stick and Keith (Galt).

In the first instance, consideration is being given to pursue a criminal action against Keith Summers based on infringements of Thai privacy laws, current copyright laws (which includes use of obscene material) as well as to consider whether there is sufficient cause to pursue him under the civil code as well. A recomendation to investigate the nature of his company and to consider the nature of how or if he used nominee shares to form the basis of his company has also been recommended in the report.

To keep things balanced, this file also includes similar material and evidence aimed at Stick and his site too based on the same laws aimed at Keith's website.

I have to say however, that having personally reviewed content from both of these sites based on the legal arguments in the file (I was not a reader of Stickman or John Galt until this file arrived on my desk for rveiew), my initial assessment (although it is not for me to make a judgement) that although Sticks website has contributed significantly enough to warrant certain claims being made against him from the John Galt website (Which may end up with him facing the same fate as keith), the case on face value against Keith seems to be far more significant in comparison. Let's just say this, Stick is the lesser of the two evils, although let it be acknowledged that he isn't totally innocent either. Let's put it this way, if things continue down the track they are going now and approval from the Judge to proceed is given, then Stick may become an unwitting victim along with Keith. Maybe this was the goal of Keith all along who seems to be on his way out of Thailand and just wants to take Stick with him.

The downside however of all of this adverse publicity is that it wouldn't surprise me that all Farang based websites with Thai content suddenly come under intense scrutiny as well with the view to blocking all access from within Thailand to many of the websites that are out there.

Thai's renowened for their all or nothing approach and to actioning things before they think about the consequences, but one thing is for sure, they don't care if a couple of Farangs get caught up in the cross fire and kicked out of Thailand.

Before someone smart mentions it, 'yes' the Thai authroties do know about Proxy servers.

The one reason I have decided to post on here is because I was made aware of this file 'formally' a week ago and have read its content and the laws that apply to this Galt V Stick debate and I also know which other websites have been mentioned along with it too.

Both Stick and Keith equally are likely to become victims in this nonesense and if what I have read in this file comes to fruition, then there will likely be a not insignificant amount of others dragged into the fray by association as well. And yes, Mangosauce was mentioned in the file.

Chow Chee Bye says:

Can't understand farang....very ding dong as the Thais call them....this whole fiasco only serves to prove the Thais are correct all the time.

One question....Farangs say thais are shallow, cheat, low life, childish, etc...wht bout your typical farang as shown by the postings here?

another question, why can't farangs just grasp the concept of paid sex? is it something wrong with it? farangs questions thai culture, traditional views about women, etc....but why do they come to thailand for paid sex and still carry with them the emotional guilt? I find that people who send submission to stick is like going for confession with their priest. they came to thailand and have sex with prostitute and feel guitly. so they write submissions to stickman to confess and justify their actions!!! how pathetic. the thais and asians in general just look at prostutition as a means to offload their steam while maintaining their family. never seen a thai or asian confessing their sins....shallow? maybe....but sure hell is sanuk and no emotional baggage at all...remember the 3Fs....

Derukugi says:

Crudski, Entertain Morons, etc:

...and the strawman about letting "them" sort it out keeps re-appearing. To remind you for the umpteenth time: THERE IS NO "THEM"!

Stick minded his own business (and still does).
Galt/Summers began stalking stick (and still does).

One is a stalker, the other is the stalking victim. That is NOT the same!
Good grief, is that so hard get into you heads?

HKexpat says:

Sorry, The lawyer, but if you really were a member of the legal profession surely you'd know how to spell "alledged". Nice try, though.

Dizz says:

Summers craves attention. He is
a howler monkey . He can get it
up behind glass but in the real world,
he needs baht and help. Instead of
using words of quality, he uses words
of attack.

We all, of course, have our problems
and pimples. Stick is no exception,
but he has created a forum where others
can entertain, and sometimes, inform.

The monkey has given us only negativity.
We are no more wise because of this howler, only less of ourselves.

Stick is indeed the victim, and the
monkey is trying to be a censor, the
moral swine.

I can't pity him, though he is obviously
not a happy person, for he is of the
destructive sort.

The world, our world, already has too
many of his kind- the unkind type.

---Dizz

Derukugi says:

Lawyer:
I am pretty certain that you are a troll.
Still, it is disheartening to see so many aggressive nutcases among the falang expat community. What is it -- too much sun, free time, and Singha beer?

fuck u stick says:

commom made the most sense of all

ThaidUp says:

No Lawyer is a comedian when he talks about enforcing "current copyright laws" in Thailand.

Man you have to make a real effort to find legal computer software in this country.

When the judge reads efforcing copyright laws he have to admitted to the nearest hospital from the acute stomach pains he gets from the belly laughing!

philH says:

"One question....Farangs say thais are shallow, cheat, low life, childish, etc...wht bout your typical farang as shown by the postings here?"

Answer : same same. Just don't think the typical farang is personified by some of the crackhead postings above.

"another question, why can't farangs just grasp the concept of paid sex?"

Another answer : many can. The guy has a need (sex), the girl has a need (money) and can fulfill his it at a price. It is a simple contract, the price and terms & condition are agreed and the deal is done.

Those that can't come to terms with it are those that can't understand the Asian separation of sex and love.

btw anybody heard anything about stick coughing up half a mill US? Judging by the lawyers posting it's a bit early to be settling the account but maybe it's a downpayment.

PS I hope the ripples from this spat don't turn into a cyberspace tsunami.

The lawyer says:

Sorry guys but I type just far too quickly and have no time for nuances such as checking my spelling all the time as I write and then run off onto the next project...

The dossier exists and is very real.

What would you like me to do?

List all the laws currently being infringed and name the Judge that I know who now has the file in his 'in- tray' and the other members of the Thai authorities who currently have the file in their hands?

Sorry if I have upset the Grammar and spell checkers out there but seriously get a life guys or at least go and do some real work for a change.

tingtawng says:

The Lawyer, why do you expose the details of confidential documents on a public forum?

Not only that, why do you then prejudice the outcome of a possible case by giving your own (supposed) professional opinion on it?

If you are a lawyer, you should be aware of your responsibilities.

Also, you seem to have little experience of law and how it is applied to websites. You can set-up a website with a host outside of Thailand. Thai authorities do not have any legal power over what and what isn't published on servers outside of Thailand.

Bottom line: internet jursidiction's starting point is from what country your website is hosted from. As far as I can see, Stick's site is hosted in Australia.

Thai ISPs can and do ban particular websites/IP addresses - that is up to them.

Example: I can post derogatory statements about the Chinese government on my website hosted in the UK. UK law says it's OK for me to criticise the Chinese government through free speech laws within the UK. This doesn't stop Chinese ISPs banning my website.

Of course, Thai authorities will be interested in Stick/Galt's possible tax evasion/working without a permit....that is another thing altogether.

llso says:

Hmm. A Lawyer, I don't know much about Thai law but for this matter of an I nternet fued to go to the Thai "Supreme Court" sounds a bit much.
Anyone who has done any business here also knows that a Farang cannot practice law in Thailand only act as an advisor at the very least if working within a legal Thai firm.

Neverthless you are reviwing this case to the supreme court,

OK,

notthelawyer says:

lawyer, it comes across that you've rushed out to judge this so called dossier much faster than would usually be prudent. you can see why it makes the claim look ridiculous.

Daniel says:

Bush,

Please at least give us the link to your friend's story. People who get kicked out of Thailand usually do for very good reasons.

If you won't provide the link, will you at least tell us a bit about the circumstances? Somehow I doubt you will.

PS David, thanks for helping another scumbag get kicked out of Thailand.

bob says:

on thaivisa.com they are saying that the police originally demanded 1mill baht from stick but stick got them down to 500,000 baht, any truth in this or just more bullshit.

Steve says:

Summers was over the moon a while back and proudly assessing all the linkage to his site through mangosauce.com

David and Stickman and others have been hosting their own websites here in Thailand for donkey's years and deserve credit.

Along comes Summers; upset at the negative feedback from thai-visa/forums - mangosauce become his allied in voice!

As we have gathered though, Summers is a guy who doesn't ponder what he has written before he clicks the 'published' button on his screen.

Summers, his bar-beer cronies and their justification for such blatant out-right attacks on one of Thailand's foremost webmaster's is a case of the 'Farang-mafia-wannabes'

No doubt Summer's has his buddies down there in Pattaya; with their loud mouths cursing down those whom dare deprecate their bar-businesses.

Such white-mafia-wannabe-drivel, much of which i have heard in my days in Thailand is in reality - all mouth but no action.

For anyone wishing to hear such nonsense just enjoy a few days in Pattaya, talk nicely the owner and soon he'll be coming out with lots of complete trash along the lines of 'I have big contacts' etc....

I doubt a case of the notmangosauce.com will ever successfully materialize, and why?

- For the likes of David, Stickman etc..... know all the crap which is spoken on the bar-stools of/by Pattaya's infamous.

In the meantime, i very doubt that David and Stickman are exactly pishing their pants! As for Summers however, i would envisage the opposite

philH says:

"lots of complete trash along the lines of 'I have big contacts' etc...."

"know all the crap which is spoken on the bar-stools of/by Pattaya's infamous."

Never truer words spoken. Pattaya barkeeps are allowed the level of contacts that maintains their warm feeling of security and bonhomie so they part with the funds willingly.

So it goes with most other farangs in LOS, the best anyone can attain is a level of being tolerated.

bkkred1 says:

A couple for the lawyer...just to tax your keen legal mind if I may. Im somewhat mystified as to why the file has been passed to 'a supreme court judge',the implication here being that the case has far reaching constitutional implications perhaps or after due consideration the thai authorities are considering fast tracking the case straight to the supreme court and by passing the primary court system as its of such importance to the country that it shall simply go to the highest court in the land.Im sure that their work load post military coup must be light and they are all sharpening their pencils to give an opinion on that ground breaking case of 'The Kingdom v Stick/Summers'.
Or were you simply implying your own importance as its been given to 'a supreme court judge',sorry a 'senior supreme court judge' based on your recommendation?
Which authorities are involved here?Tax,immigration,the boys in brown.Perhaps the lawyer can tell us.
Exactly who are you and where do you practice?Who are you representing here?You must be working for the Thai authorities as you have 'reviewed the file' and passed it to 'a supreme court judge'(no doupt an expert on 'cyber crime'plus numerous experience of deliberating cases involving small time tax avoidence and work permit violations) or are you council for an agrieved 3rd party, as yet unknown.Please remember in Thailand its perfectly normal for cases such as these to be reviewed by members of the supreme court before they are passed on ,with a recommendation, to Sgt Somchai at immigation police.
Please fill us all in.Oh and next time please sign yourself... the very important lawyer.
P.s.I think you summed yourself up in the first paragraph.

bkkred1 says:

One final request to 'the lawyer'.
Define 'real work' you self important prat!

Yu Ngo Hu says:

LOL @ The Lawyer

If indeed the Thai's want to get rid of dime-a-dozen farangs like Galt and Stickman, you can be sure that they won't spend time writing dossiers and sending them to supreme court judges.

If it were that important, by now both should have been visited by the BIB and their arses hauled off to the nearest detention centre on charges far more serious than writing web stories for the reading pleasures of delinquent farang flotsam.

Loose Cannon says:

Steve ... get a grip mate...
blah blah blah "one of Thailand's foremosts webmaster's" blah blah blah
ROFL
...he is telling people where to find the best whores! & then how not to get ripped off by them.
And if you decide to marry one he will check them out & try to fuck 'em!
He's not Mother Theresa for christ's sake.
As for the ever delightful Mr Galt, Thailand would be a much better place if both of them & their collection of misfit dysfunctional supporters were thrown out on their collective arses!

guy H. says:

to steve:

many times the comments that the stick write about people are untruths - lies. in the legal world, this is called slander.

He has been doing this a long time. and perhaps you feel that it is harmless prattle that the stick is engaging in. but I can tell you, many people who are the blunt of his articles feel pain, real pain because of what he writes.

if you are of the group who believes that that is "their problem".

...then, might I suggest you disengage from this discussion SINCE what we anti-stick people are doing to the stick is EXACTLY the same treatment that the stick is engaging in when he writes lies about people.

AND IF STICK DOESN'T LIKE IT, THAT IS HIS PROBLEM.

freedom of speech? well, it can go both ways, you know