Hackers attack Bangkok discussion boards

camuschula says:

David-

I just reported on my blog thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com via Bangkok Post that the government was cracking down on morally questionable websites in order to save the children. Last week there was a report in the Bangkok Post about Thailand's cultural surveillance center, which is responsible for monitoring websites that are a threat to the integrity of Thai culture.

Coincidence? I don't know.

Why 2bangkok.com was attacked is strange because its content is fairly benign.

My website, however, targets and ridicules this government and the Thai media everyday. I link to Thaksin's hi-thaksin.net video and to a couple anti-coup sites also.

The traffic to my site is insignificant, so they probably could give two shits about me.

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Hi camuschula

These guys couldn't give a damn about porn. The crackdowns on "morally questionable websites" are just a smokescreen for the serious business of silencing of political opposition.

Regards
David

Mac says:

Any wariness by the current government of a farang-oriented website such as Mangosauce, especially vis-a-vis the perceived threat posed by the former prime minister, would seem to be misplaced. As far as I can tell, the revulsion the farang community feels towards Thaksin is near-universal.

If Thai officials have tracked you down seeking to confirm your identity, I might hazard a guess that it is to award you - as the man behind "Goodbye Mr Thaksin and good riddance" - with a medal and honorary citizenship.

It's clear enough to most of us that the square-headed one would blithely watch the country go down the toilet for the sake of his own megalomaniacal glorification and further enrichment.

The fact that he still enjoys a significant level of support from the locals indicates that there are still a lot of Thais out there who simply don't know shit from Shinawatra.

Perhaps the junta should consider tapping the farang community as allies against the Thaksinistas. They could start by recognizing the contributions that long-stay expats - say ten years or more - have made to the nation and relieve them of having to make the forced march to neighbouring countries every three months. It could be the start of a beautiful friendship.

Johnnie says:

Well, isn't this a case of the chickens coming home to roost? You supported the coup, but now that the G is attacking you, a sudden concern for civil liberties? You did not like Thaksin because of his anti-farang posture, but that is not just the opinion of his supporters, but opponents as well.

I think this is a case, to mix from the above metaphor, of lying down with dogs and surprised you have fleas.

In the end, I think you would have been better off under the ancien regime, but you were obsessed with the visa issue and the closing time of bars.

Just relax and enjoy it. It will be a wild ride. Just wait the the crazed Muslims get real serious. Won't be like your alleged Thaksin NYE bombings.

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Hi Johnnie

That's not entirely accurate.

The truth is that I really don't care what flavour of government runs Thailand so long as they don't harass law-abiding foreigners.

Regards
David

Kasman says:

Once again Mango has decided NOT to post responses that contradict Dave's ridiculous claims.

Mango Sauce startse sensoring posts should be the new topic.

Mango Sauce offers no value to Thai Politics at all and no one cares about this site as Dave is claiming to be the target of the government.

Since Dave is taking this stance, the government evidence disputing Dave's claims in facts, will be sent to another website for posting, so that every one will be able to see this is a pure Mango Sauce Bullshit Smoke Screen.

Exactly what POLITICAL OPPOSITION does Mango Sauce offer that you claim the government is trying to silence?

I think you will see shortly that your claims are not true and the facts will be posted to this effect so every one will no this nothing more than your manufactured bullshit.

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Hi Kasman

I haven't censored any posts on this thread. You can say whatever you want, so long as it's not libellous or racist.

I never suggested that Mango Sauce offers any form of "POLITICAL OPPOSITION." My point is that it's a popular forum where 100,000 readers could swap news during a political crisis and that some people might wish to prevent them from doing so.

Your claim that the Thai authorities have no interest in censoring the Internet is beyond laughable.

I explained all this very clearly so it appears that you didn't read my article before you commented.

Incidentally, what "government evidence" are you ranting on about?

Regards
David

PS. I'm beginning to suspect that you have some sort of mental problem.

Prufrock says:

Kasman: Who by his OWN definition is a: "what was it? Kasman? "A FUCKWIT"

You have a fascinating affiniur powerful police connections at ty for those in power. First you entertained us with your laughably false pretensions to join the Lumpini precinct.
These, of course, would be politically neutralized by current political dynamics.
You've had to change your tune. Now like every beer bar slut who's in a rage with a farang at three in the morning you'll threaten retaliation through your "uncle" Prem's bodyguard.
So now you're alluding to "government connections" because like this whore, you're a "government insider".
In truth, these two sources of power and influence (police and the army) are mutually exclusive (except in your fevered brain).

You are a sorry wanker with, at best, a cop of two in the family. But by now, they know and we know you're quite full of shit. They laugh at you whenever they are nor out there busily taxing legitimate businesses and getting free blow jobs from local whores, lady boys and assholes like yourself.
I would say that, at best, you are a jumped-up English teacher who got himself some kind of third-rate local patron through a marriage that in your more lucid moments you regret.

At worst and, most probably, you are simply an imbecile :-)

dingdongrb says:

"You can say whatever you want, so long as it's not libellous or racist." - David MS

‘Libelous & racist’, isn’t that what this site is all about? The viewers’ comments can attest to this.

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Hi dingdongrb

Moderating a forum isn't easy. My natural inclination is to let people say whatever they want but a line has to be drawn somewhere or the trolls would run riot.

I try to strike the right balance but, ultimately, I'll go with the consensus of our community of regular commenters.

Regards
David

dingdongrb says:

"One day prior to the attack on Mango Sauce, a Thai official phoned me on my private home number (which I don't give to anyone) and asked me to confirm my identity."

You sure that wasn't Keith Summers trying to obtain your identity? I see from his most recent post on his site that he is sending the paparazzi after you.

By the way, since you give your home number to nobody how did he (she) get it? I'm sure by calling 411.....

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Hi dingdongrb

It wasn't Keith - unless he's morphed into a middle-aged Thai woman.

In any case, phoning directory enquiries and asking for "David in Bangkok" probably wouldn't get him very far.

Regards
David

Grunt says:

"Moderating a forum isn't easy...but a line has to be drawn somewhere or the trolls would run riot." - David

Bit late for that!

"I try to strike the right balance but, ultimately, I'll go with the consensus of our community of regular commenters."

So if I gather a bunch of sycophants, spew endless 'canned debate' tripe, and in general hog the comments area up I could build a 'consensus'?

No wait...looks like little miss dicer and crew beat me to it.

Islander says:

This was not a serious attack, more likely some bored kid with nothing to do. They picked on less insignificant sites. When they hit ThaiVisa then we know that they are getting serious.

It would be interesting to know what this middle aged woman said. Did she ask for David from Mangosauce, or what? Obviously she must know your full name. Not something you want out in the public domain, lest Keith Summers gets ahold of it and we lose you.

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Hi Islander

We'll never know for sure who the hacker was.

The only way to determine whether ThaiVisa was hit would be to ask them.

The woman just asked me to confirm that my name was David and then hung up. If it wasn't for the timing, I wouldn't have thought much of it.

I reckon that "Stalker" Summers wants to 'out' me because no one's interested in his lame Songkran photos. Unless he claims another scalp soon, his website's traffic will dry up completely.

NotMangoSauce.com started life as a parody but it's becoming more of a prediction.

Regards
David

buckwit says:

if your site was hacked for the reasons you state, then i thought sites like thaivisa and teakdoor would have been more obvious targets as they do comment on politics etc. but being a member of both sites they had no problems as far as i am aware, due to the fact i have seen nothing posted.

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Hi buckwit

I don't know much about TeakDoor but ThaiVisa is well known for self-censorship.

2Bangkok.com reports Bangkok news and politics and is an obvious target.

Regards
David

Dana says:

Well, I hate to pile on and the general tone of the 'anti-David story' respondents is kinda reminiscent of unpalatable crap I have had to endure from ignoramouses about my writing on another website; however--I just find David's supposition about the government's actions very hard to believe.

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Hi Dana

This week, the generals were lobbying for a state of emergency to be declared in Bangkok that would have permitted authorities to arbitrarily arrest, imprison and torture absolutely anyone - while enjoying full legal immunity.

They were obviously in a panic.

They've already hacked, banned or blocked 46,000 websites - 5,000 on the grounds of "national security" - so what makes you think that they would have any qualms about knocking out a couple more?

They also announced this week that controlling the Internet is now one of their top priorities.

You're quite right to call my article a supposition - it is - but, if you've got a better explanation that fits the facts, I'd like to hear it.

Regards
David

Islander says:

"The woman just asked me to confirm that my name was David and then hung up. If it wasn't for the timing, I wouldn't have thought much of it."

Maybe it was the laundry lady? Maybe it was a girl down the hall who has had her eye on you? Maybe it was the restaurant downstairs. Maybe it was Pizza Hut checking their call records? You have no idea who it was, or what she was calling about.

Come on, David, you've gone and made out that this was an official call but you really don't know, do you? You've completely embellished the facts, making it fit in with the slant of the article.

In the article, and I quote, "a Thai official". What proof do you have that it was a Thai official? None I bet. Poor reporting, David, very poor.

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Hi Islander

Before you rush to judgement let me give you a fuller explanation.

I use my cellphone almost exclusively and the only people who know my landline number are True Corp, my girlfriend, one farang friend in Bangkok and a few relatives in the UK. It rings about once a week and I can generally guess who's calling.

I never use this phone to call out because it doesn't have caller ID and I prefer to screen my calls.

Normally, I'd ask a mystery caller to identify herself but this woman put me on the back foot with her brusque manner. I answered her call in English but she *ordered* me to speak Thai.

The only Thai women who have ever spoken to me in such a rude and overbearing manner work at the Immigration Department and, given that I'm compelled to go there quite often, I've come to know the type quite well.

This was certainly no laundry lady or pizza girl. It was an authority figure demanding that I confirm my identity.

As I said before, I wouldn't have thought much of it had my website not been attacked the following day.

I might also have put the hacking down to "kids" or bad luck had it not occurred on the eve of a mass demonstration that some predicted would turn into Thailand's Tiananmen Square.

I might still have convinced myself that this was just a coincidence but when I learned that Bangkok's other dedicated forum, 2Bangkok.com, had also been attacked on the same day, it didn't look like a coincidence any more.

Another odd thing also happened this week. The credit card that I use to pay for my web hosting was used in a fraudulent transaction and had to be cancelled - causing me great inconvenience.

This was quite unexpected because I'm very security conscious and it rarely leaves my pocket. I'm a cash-only kind of guy.

My card number could only have been intercepted during an online transaction because that's the only time I ever use it. It makes you wonder who might be capable of doing that.

I'm not sure whether this is linked to anything but it's more fuel on the fire.

If any one of these things had happened in isolation, I'd just forget about it but when so many weird coincidences happen together, they become hard to ignore.

Can you explain them all away more plausibly?

Regards
David

Road Natzi says:

Guys, I dont mean to sound like an old thailand get about, but really this is thailand NOT GREENPEACE, what else would you really expect.

Onwards and upwards, don't lose to much sleep about it, Karma is a funny thing and after all, we are just a few select weirdo communication amoungst each other trying to make some sense about all this madness.

On that note, I am considering running for thia politics, I have the right, considering I hold a thai citizenship status and dual nationality. Can you image the RN running the country, I want lots of statues around the place, preferably with me nude and I want david and tk as personal advisors. Im thinging about making Prufrock my driver, I need to keep a close eye on him and I want Common Sense to be body guard....people think Thaksin had his finger in the pie, wait til you see what I've got planned.

President Road, kinda got a ring to it really, but I definately want to outlaw clothing for 20 to 30 year old spunks that wander the streets.

Anyway, time for some more medication, before I devise a plan to take control of the earth and perhaps the universe.

Ohhh and buy the way, I want to use keith gayboy child fucking dickwad summers as a 'test rat' for 'live body disection', if only he had some balls, I would start by cutting them up.

If your out their Keith, I'm keen to meet up with you, for all the 15 seconds it will take me to have you dealt with you spineless cunt!

Love to the rest of you signed the RN

Eniac says:

David - You are definitely on the Thai government's radar and you should keep your head down. If I were you, I'd stick to the tit and bum stories because these guys don't mess around.

Dicer says:

"I'm beginning to suspect that you have some sort of mental problem." - David

One morning about 5 years ago as I was walking out of Lumpini park, I saw four men and a woman in white overalls chasing after this guy in orange across the park. One guy was holding out a straitjacket ...the escaped nutter leaped onto a bus. I love watching Thais at such occasions. Not a single person in the bus flinched. There I was ducking, jumping, gesticulating at the drama and everyone stood there without even a bat of an eyelid. The geezers strapped the nutter and got off the bus, the doors shut and off went the bus into hazy bkk. For a moment I thought hey should those people in the bus be allowed to continue in the manner they did. Then again I thought what would you have them do? Shout and scream at the running nutter? Stomp him? This is the land of Mental Erase. This is the land of the "I'm not here" people.

The human element: You find people like Thais going into stasis at 6-8 yo and that's it for them being dragged and pushed into the almost adult working chinese world which causes alienation. The schools of course do it past the 3rd grade. One elderly Brit lady said she came to a halt at age 11 (level 3 cognition) and never felt comfortable in school again. Of course most people search for Mill's happiness or bio eudemonia. Don't we all? In the West people are driven by lucre so that they never reach stasis. When they finally lurch onto fame and fortune, they shave their heads and go to rehab.

I remember an old retired farang sage who's worked in BKK for 40 years said to me a few months ago, the trick to being contented in bkk is to go minimal: somtam once a week; coffee on the balcony every other day; forays upon demand into the city; siam paragon for a movie; soi 3 for arab food and rice; villa for steak and good vibes; emporium for uplifting reading; oriental for tea; shangrila or erawan for ambience; nana etc to see the geezers at work; a stroll down sukhumvit at night to count slav tarts, and best of all as much time in the gym as possible. Coup or no coup this is of course the retirement angle. In BKK if you have close access to any physical activity, you will survive. If not you suffer. Locked up in an apt with nothing but a sea of traffic, he said, is not a happy end adding that hooker chasing alone does not make the world seem ok. Then again what would I know about old age apart from what the wise old men tell me.

When stasis is reached, one wonders, what will upset this? Mother nature or evolution or a nasty government? Whatever is always lurking to pull the rug right from under you. Thais just roll into a higher level of alienation and sneer more consistently and hate a bit better. Foreigners flop out onto a beach like old goldfish gasping for air and look for that next pond.

Anyway David, if your phone line is in your name and you confirmed you are David then as you know a simple search with True Corp's routing logs can reveal who you are and what you do. And as mobile phones are registered as well, tapping into your mobile is an easy step from there. The credit card stuff is a good hint too. It never hurts to be paranoid here. As you know locals never make explicit threats unless pinned against the wall or good dough is involved. It may, however, not be as sinister as it sounds.

Dana says:

Ok, David--based on your response to my comment I will suspend judgement. What the hell--I have no idea what is going on in that cesspit. I can't believe I vacation there . . . no, wait a minute--I know exactly why I go there.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers.

The important question here Davo is......
Did that women caller have big knockers?
I heard its a nice way to go.

Thaxo.

Grunt says:

"David - You are definitely on the Thai government's radar and you should keep your head down. If I were you, I'd stick to the tit and bum stories because these guys don't mess around." - Eniac

David is high on the list of "enemies of the state".

On the google side, David has drawn the ire of the female staffers over at planet google. About the same time google started playing grabass, a flood of nitwits showed up here and, oddly enough, gained Davids trust. The tards simultaneously drove away the original, and amusing, posters and now have David in the "keep friends close and enemies closer" cage.

On the Thai side, you have the Thai men that want to assure that if anyone deflowers the nubile young Thai girls, its them and not western guys. Ive seen the same behavior in Ukraine, South America, Czech Republic, etc.

Then the fringe Thai immigration females that are pissed off that nobody give them any attention.

David is basically hosed, he just dont know it.

Dr J A Earnshawe BSc PhD says:

I don’t believe simultaneous happenings are ever coincidences David. Mango Sauce has almost certainly been attacked, and we can expect the probable blocking of some the most popular features such as ‘The Bar Girl Treasure Hunt’ and ‘Please Listen to My Fartings,’ which will be quickly silenced as the national crisis develops, and your telephone call can only represent the start of a major smear campaign by the pro-government organisations.

How do I know this? Because not only have the greatest Bangkok internet forums been attacked; so too the vulnerability of one of the most popular forum diary writer’s been tested. Yesterday I was followed the length of the Sukhumvit by a tall shadowy figure dressed as a woman. When I finally confronted this individual he held me down and dramatically escalated me on his junta (in a manner of speaking).

His motives were obvious.

Dr J A Earnshaw

Adam says:

Delusions of grandeur. U really think the govt cares about MangoSauce? Not a chance.

U are one of many, mnay sites with a problem now. Yahoo is the biggest loser. But all it takes is a quick "reload" and the sites come up......same is true for u. However u have had a server problem for months...ur problem and no one else's.

More likely is that True et al. have a problem....could be govt inspired but very doubtful.

U should go back to what u do best....mildly titillating tales of ur sex life in BKK. A bastion of democracy u are not.

First it was defenfer against Google. Are u now the defender of democracy?

Laughable.

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Hi Adam

You've misunderstood just about every point I've made. Either your comprehension skills need polishing up or you're just having a laugh.

For your sake, I hope it's the latter.

Regards
David

William Mahanakorn says:

David,

I want to first point out that you may need to look beyond Thailand's borders for the sinister forces at work. I have known all along that posting those unflattering fart fetish videos would bring "great shame" to the Land of the Rising Sun, and that, sooner or later, it would catch up to you. Remove the "Please smell my fartings" links as quickly as you can! Suggestion: replace the links with recipes for Miso soup.

Actually, in all seriousness, a Denial of Service attack is a sophisticated technique that circumvents all sorts of security measures on your hosting site, and constitutes a more serious crime, particularly since your hosting site is located in the US. I agree with Dicer that a bit a paranoia will work in your favor, and you may want to report the attack to the FBI in the United States if you feel comfortable doing so and if your host site has informed you of the diagnostic particulars of the attack.

I can't speak to what is happening internally in Thailand. But from a "Thailand watcher's" viewpoint, it seems that tensions will simmer below the surface for some time to come. American spy films invariably have the semi-retarded line that goes like this: "You won't know who to trust." But don't let them turn up the halogen lights on you just yet. In the end, what can the Thais do to you? Massage you to death?

At any rate, I've embedded a link to Mangosauce from ThaiPeeps in thanks for your recent link.

Cheers!
Wm.

Prufrock says:

Chaps: Those fun-loving rascals at Thaivisa, have fired up an April Fool's gag for you.

Wonder how many, (completely bored out of their minds) "upcountry gentleman rubber farmers" will contemplate the high-dive when they read this.

In fact, let's take notes on just WHOM among THAI VISA's REGULAR POSTERS out of the usual chorus of know-it-alls and gainsayers, chimes in with the usual garden variety burst of indignation.

Special prizes to the first three who come up with "This will kill tourism".

Free barfines at Gulliver's for the best three Gullible's to expose themselves as opinionated nitwits.

Free Chinese calenders to the rest or us who fall for it.

During our extended Thai temple, cuisine, and fact-finding missions here we're all gonna fall for a story like this at some point or other.

Last biggy that comes to mind was "Prufers' you're stupid to do visa runs. I just leave mine with the doofus holding up the bar at Buffalo Douche a Gogo."

Most of those guys are not here anymore.

Adam says:

David. If I have misunderstood almost every point u made so have a lot of other people. U have made a bit of a joke of urself with this one. In fact I had to check to make sure u didn't start the thread on April 1. If It had been an April Fool it would have been mildly amusing.

MangoSauce....defender of Thai democracy, exposer of CNS nefarious activities, anti-Google advocate, complete ****ing *ickhead.

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Hi Adam

If you peruse this thread, you'll find that you're the only one who misunderstood the story (Kasman doesn't count because he's a mentalist). The others were merely sceptical and I don't hold that against them.

Defender of Thai democracy?

I made no such claim.

In future, please read the article properly before you comment.

Regards
David

David says:

Update:

OrientExpat.com have reported that they were also attacked by hackers on the same day.

Paul says:

I don't think that the government needs to confirm your identity and I'm sure I could find your phone number if I really wanted to.

If this actually happenened, they were just trying to scare you. You should be glad they were so kind- there are many other scary ways to let you know they are unhappy with you. If I were you, I'd be calling all of your influential Thai friends up in preperation for a possible shit storm.

Let's face it- Most Thai people find this website offensive.

I think that every single one of us has faced the wrath of a Thai person going on about 'Thai Culture' 'Wattanatham Thai.'

We all know it's a big facade in front of all the bullshit (like every other culture on the face of the planet)... and we also know that you just don't fuck with it...!

You knew this when you started this website, and you couldn't possibly have been dumb enough to believe there is anything resembling free speach in this country.

Your little problem will either be solved by that police general you play golf with or by www.orbitz.com -- Good luck and thanks for the great laughs!

dingdongrb says:

Rumor has it that Road Natzi’s website ‘ispankmypudalone’ also got attacked. But upon investigation it was later found out that really Keith Summers’ was hacking in trying to spank it with the good ole RN.

Eniac says:

David - You've really put the cat amongst the pigeons for the two-week tourists. They don't like to hear negative reports about their fool's paradise.

No matter how much evidence you dig up to support your "politically motivated hackers" theory, only the expats will believe you.

Geoff says:

You all may doubt but I have it from a pretty solid source that the CIA and the BND also have an active interest in David.

He has simply gotten too influential...

Prufrock says:

Adam posts like he's drunk.
After a brief stay or three in Thailand, possibly on an IT contract that was not renewed for reasons all to obvious to us here, former IT maven Adam now languishes in some 'Markin backwater wishing he were back here if only to sniff the thong of Patpong's faustiest bargirl.

But that's not how it is.
Back in 'Marka, every ladies' nite at one of those miserable local strip-mall bars, after everybody else has hooked up, Adam is on hand to hold forth for the local losers on all matters Thai.
I suspect there's free Hi-Speed internet somewhere over in the corner.

For us, well, guys like Kasman and Adam are but bugs on life's windshield.. ..that condom you see drifting down the khlong or that pesky turd that won't flush.

Adam? Maybe you should just go back to watching sporting events on that bar TV like the rest of the losers.

Road Natzi says:

Dicer,

Ur post on the 1/4 cracked me up and your description of what went on is first class and just about describes thailand to a t.

Kasman says:

Sorry Dave no mental problem here. But at a meeting this morning, I will get you some facts and post them, just to let everyone know you are full of yourself and the government has no interest in Mango Sauce what so ever.

This overblown hype of your site is exactly that. Post some of your web statistics and see if you can even remotely back up what you are claiming?

If you do not do that, it is evidence in itself you have no facts to back up your proposterous claims.

I am quite sure when the evidence hits, (although I know you won't post it here to incriminate yourself as someone not being honest), you will have no recourse except to admit this was all an exageration on your part.

I would not be so quick to quip every one here that disagrees with you has a mental problem.

Some of us work and deal with the real world here everyday.

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Hi Kasman

The problem with most nutters is that they don't know that they're nutters. Your mental state is for others to judge.

I'm looking forward to having a giggle at the minutes of your imaginary meeting.

Regards
David

PS. You can track Mango Sauce traffic either at Alexa or AdBrite. Last month, the site welcomed 108,000 unique visitors who, between them, read 416,000 articles.

dingdongrb says:

Come'on give me a break..... I hit this site at least 69,169 times myself and I read every article at least three times each.

D333 says:

I agree with Dicer when he says- "it never hurts to be paranoid here".

This is nothing to do with any perceived political stance on David's part for Christ's sake. This is due to content regarding any site-blocking/censorship. I made a point in an earlier thread when David re-posted videos from 'You Tube' showing girls/farangs exiting Angels. I opined that from a privacy aspect, it was out of order. Yet, the other factor was that, with a sense of paranoia perhaps, I thought that if some moron MICT employee stumbled across that particular video/content it might become the excuse to de-rail MS (which is precisely what happened to 'You Tube' itself for some hours- please, read the opening salvo/warning signs).

As David has pointed out, 46,000 sites have been blocked here, concentrating in the main on 'sex-sites'in the beginning before deciding that national security gave them scope/excuse to get into any area they felt like. It's the 'sexual nature' of MS if anything, not the bloody politics.

When I manage to wade through Dicer's postings, the point he often appears to make is that a sizeable number of Farangs just don't have a real perception of the true nature of the beast here.

For instance- if for whatever reason some swinging-dick higher up in the police fancied having at look at your bank account details, he'd simply walk into the bank and ask for them. Regardless as to whether he had the power to do so, it was against the law/civil liberties, how many branch managers do you think would refuse? Even if they had the balls to do so, a few thousand baht to a teller and they would have your complete bank records by the end of that business day.

The basic reality that Thailand is not Europe or the U.S. etc in a real sense seems to elude any number of foreign visitors/residents (and some posters here)If someone has it in for MS, they can screw with David on any number of levels. Is MS some serious threat to anything here? Of course it isn't. However, if some pecker-head low racking censorship official decides to impress his slightly higher ranked boss with a new list of sites to screw with, it'll be done. Et voila! A minor league play from a junior official develops into a major problem for David.

I have had countless friends and aquaintances over the years who have bitched and winged because in essense what they are really looking for is an Asian version of home town. It's laughable. The reward of living here long term is to aquire a level of experience and some comprehension of how things truly work. A major componant being knowing how easy it is to walk into potholes which might not be that easy to extricate oneself from. I try to maintain as low a profile as possible but David and MS by definition cannot.

Any poster casually stating that David is being dramatic is not only mistaken but also exposing the fact they have no real comprehension about basic aspects of living in Thailand.

Eniac's post sums it up perfectly

Prufrock says:

Re Kasman: Two things are clear to most of us here. He's backed himself into the cheap-ass liar's corner from which the only exit will be some confabulation of "this morning's meeting".

Out of that meeting, Kasman implied, there would emerge irrefutable and verifiable proof that we'd soon be getting a rare glimpse of the great man's "insider's" edge.

Kasman the insider posted: "I will get you some facts and post them, just to let everyone know you are full of yourself and the government has no interest."

Kasman, you mad, silly, wretch, there's soup on your tie and your collar is a tad frayed. You have gogo sprkle on your fly-front. A beer-bar legend you are.

The evidence you requested from the Mango Sauce blog owner was posted. Your inane challenge has been met.

Unlike ANYTHING Kasman will produce from "a meeting this morning" this evidence was verified by unassailable third party reference. (Alexa, AdBrite)

Kasman, Repeatedly, you've been exposed (by yourself) as a, What was it? ah yes, Fuckwit. A twat who could NOT even count or use his computer to count.

This blogger has complied with your silly request that he prove his claims to readership. It's done. Posted. Proven.

It is now your turn.
As the mind fairly reels in anticipation of your weasel-worded attempt to, once again, wipe another example of your stupidity from the blog, we await your post.

But I expect you'll not disappoint. This will be the third time in a little over a week that you've come up looking like the bogus bag of toys that you surely are.

Why would they says:

You certainly have a much higher opinion of your dodgy little sex tourist/pat website than I would have given it credit for, I was unaware that the world focus would be directed towards this website in the event of political unrest within Thailand. However I am sure you are right and media journalists around the world will be quoting mangosauce articles when political strife hits Thailand, that is offcourse if they can weed out the facts from articles such as 'Katoey toilet terror in Nana Plaza' and 'If she's a looker they'll brand her a hooker'!

Go back to writing funny articles, I am sure if the Thai government wanted to shut you down they would just do it and would not mess around with some DOS attack.

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Hi Why would they

The "why would they ban a 'tit and bum' blog?" question was first asked by Bangkok Bad Boy and this is a rehash of the answer I gave him.

It wasn’t the fart-girls that riled them. Most likely it was the site’s potential for acting as a forum for people to swap uncensored information during a national emergency. Mango Sauce does, after all, have over 100,000 unique visitors per month - many of whom live in Thailand. My guess is that pro-government hackers were probing the site for vulnerabilities that could be exploited later if they decided to impose a temporary news blackout across all sections of the media.

2Bangkok.com and OrientExpat.com have both confirmed that they also got hit on the same day.

Thailand is second only to China in suppressing free speech on the Internet and China is notorious for launching "cyber-attacks" on American-based servers so my conclusion was based on a well-documented precedent.

The Chinese hackers focus on blogs and discussion forums too.

You also asked the question "If the Thai government wanted to shut you down they would just do it and would not mess around with some DOS attack?"

How else could they shut the site down? Mango Sauce is based in San Diego, California - which is well out of their jurisdiction.

They could certainly block the site from being accessed in Thailand (although most people here now use proxy servers to overcome these annoying restrictions) but a DoS attack is the only way to prevent the rest of the world from tuning in.

A DoS attack is also "deniable" - which is an important consideration for state officials who don't want to be seen to break the law.

Let me ask you a couple of questions.

1. Do you seriously believe that the Mango Sauce commenters would be discussing tits and bums if Thammasat students were being hung from lampposts?

2. Do you seriously believe that the Thai generals are a fine group of upstanding individuals who would never stoop to the level of interfering with free speech on the Internet?

Read the newspapers and/or google "October 1976 Massacre" before you answer.

And I DO want your answers.

I think you've underestimated the power of the Internet, Granddad.

Regards
David

disturbed says:

I just visited notmangosauce.com and if I were you David I wouldn't respond to that freak either. That guy has some serious issues. What an idiot! I hope I run into him cause I'd like to punch him in his face just because of that stupid ass site.

Eniac says:

Hey Kasman - The minutes of the Doorstep Chang Drinkers Committee of the Friends of Family Mart (DCDCFFM) were due on David's desk by 5pm Bangkok time.

Pull your fucking finger out.

Road Natzi says:

Hey Kasman,

You're supposed to go blind masturbating as much as you do.......it wasn't supposed to send you mad!

Build a brige and get over yourself FUCKWIT.

mcdonaldduck says:

And so, finally, do the people rule, or does...

Hi mcdonaldduck

That was a very perceptive comment but I can't post it to Mango Sauce because there's one gentleman in Thailand whose role can't be questioned. Just this week, an unfortunate farang was jailed for 10 years because he didn't appreciate how seriously the Thais take this issue.

Sorry about that.

Regards
David

dingdongrb says:

No David, you got it wrong..... The dumb ass Swiss was jailed because he couldn't hold his liquor.....

Dana says:

"I think you've underestimated the power of the Internet, Granddad."

Regards
David

Yeah, and I am waiting for this big beast to turn nice. I'll probably wait until I'm dead. If I talk about the primacy of aggression in men I get diced by Dicer. Easy target. But the great Dicer forgets the sandbox we are all playing in. When is the Internet going to get nice?

Why would they says:

In response to your questions:
1. Do you seriously believe that the Mango Sauce commenters would be discussing tits and bums if Thammasat students were being hung from lampposts?

No I believe that Mango sauce commentors would most probably be discussing the colour of the student's underwear and the best vantage point to see the underwear. This would probably be combined with a discussion on the impact on bar fine and service charges by the hookers at the usual locations and the potential for discounted specials due to the state of emergency imposed by the military.

2. Do you seriously believe that the Thai generals are a fine group of upstanding individuals who would never stoop to the level of interfering with free speech on the Internet?

No I do not believe this, however I do not believe they would bother with a DOS attach when they know who you are and where you live, they would simply send a team around and torture you until you gave up your hosts username and password then crippled the site via the online management tools, after that they would just shoot you in the head and send you floating down the Klong, just another Farrang tragically killed during the political turmoil.

I have not underestimated the power of the internet, I am just pointing out that your site is insignificant if the circumstance when there is political unrest and you should stop trying to big note yourself. You are starting to sound more and more like that Matt Crook git, you only need a few more gay innuendos in your writing and you would be a perfect match.

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Hi Why would they

1. You're dead wrong about your fellow commenters and, quite frankly, your answer is an insult to them. Check out "Multiple bomb blasts rock Bangkok" published on 31 December if you want to see a good example of how effectively this forum can debate serious issues.

2. First you argue that Mango Sauce is completely insignificant and then you suggest that it might get me shot in the head and dumped in a canal. Make your mind up, for heaven's sake.

Incidentally, you might have to reappraise Matt Crook too. If you've been following his work recently, you'll notice that he's all but jettisoned the metrosexual stuff and he no longer talks about himself in the third person. Two weeks ago, he published an article called "Moon Over Pattaya" which was actually rather good.

Regards
David

PS. I don't agree with your arguments but at least you're trying to stand your ground. You've got more balls than Kasman. I'm still waiting for his grand disclosures.

Kasman says:

Mango Squash traffic down 37% in last 3 months (According to Alexa.com)while losing an average of 13,213 daily viewers.

Something is going wrong at the MangoSquash Headquarters?

Could it be all of Dave's prosperous conspiracy theories are causing readers to exodus by the masses?

Dave has some choices he wants you readers to help out with:

1. More Stick/Galt Stories
2. More Google is after me stories
3. More of the Thai Government is hacking me stories.
4. Some new stories about UFO's circling YourANUS (Uranus?)

Please send Dave your vote so he can decide what to do today before his traffic skids any lower than 37% and he can no longer afford to keep this site going?

Without Mango the following punks will have to drift back into relative internet obscurity and go back to jerking off with their Pee Wee Herman cartoons:

Prurock
Road Natzi
Anonymous
Eniac (Sounds like some kind of baby formula?)

NEWS FLASH! Any of you idiots think the government is really checking on Mango Sauce, do yourself a favor if you can manage to use a phone here in BKK.

Call the Ministry of Communications and ask them directly? The first thing they will say is what is a mangosauce. They have never heard of this site or Dave.

Now come on Prurock, since you are biggest ASSHOLE here, I nominate you to have the balls to place the call to the ministry of communications office and post the FACTS here of your call.

And if you are unable or too stupid to speak Thai, have one your friends do it for you, if you have any.

No sense posting backtalk, when you can have the horrors to do this yourself.

Then put your foot in your mouth for being as big an ass as Dave for coming up with this foolishness.

Ministry of Communications, got it Prurock and try to not to screw up the facts.

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Hi Kasman

This falls rather short of the "highly classified insider information from the heart of government" claims you were making yesterday. However, I'll address your points in order.

Your "Mango Squash traffic down 37% in last 3 months" statement needs unpacking.

You may recall that Google inflicted a visitor-drought on Mango Sauce in February so I went on hiatus for a month. This will bugger up the 3-month average until the end of May but (as I'm sure you already know) the Alexa graph line is V-shaped i.e. Mango Sauce traffic has already bounced back to pre-February levels.

Between February and March, traffic actually rose by 70% (from 243,714 page views to 416,375).

The rest of your posting doesn't make much sense so I can't really respond to it but what it does do is to identify you as Keith Summers - and this is what gave you away:

1. Prattling on about "Mango Squash" all the time.
2. Your insistence on calling me "Dave."
3. An obsession with web stats.
4. Making allegations that no one understands.
5. A disorganised mind.
6. Delusions of being "in the loop."
7. The pungent odour of sour grapes.

It couldn't have been written by anyone else.

Your accurate spelling had me puzzled at first but I ran your latest posting through the spell-checker and ... guess what? Not a single error. You, no doubt, did the same.

I've got just one question for you, Keith.

Why don't you spell-check the articles on your website?

Regards
David

Johnny says:

7. "The pungent odour of sour grapes."

I don't really get it must be some inside ex gay relationship joke you two had going on, but funny none the less.

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Hi Johnny

From Wikipedia:

"Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired; to denigrate and feign disdain for that which one could not attain."

Regards
David

Prufrock says:

Well Kasman, there's a mystery solved.
We are of course STILL waiting for all that insider skinny on "what's really going on here." You know, the stuff from the meeting you "took" yesterday.

And I'm having NONE of your silly challenges to call this or that Ministry. Easily done. But your response is still miles short of what you said you'd have for us. You're in NO position to issue challenges here.
Your silly reworking of the hiatus stats is facile enough to get you the Summers ID. But do you know that a couple or ten grand buys a load of detectivating here. You'll be outed sooner or later if you persist with this shit.

For now, I'll go with the blogger's assessment of who Kasman might be. There's a cadence to the biting and the irrationalities and the delusional claims.

Ya know, dweeb?
I have to give you credit for one thing though, you've managed to convince me that, galldarnit after all, there IS a place in our lives for a good old fashioned mob swarming.

I'm thinkin',
"Suddenly Last Summer- Pattaya Style".

Whaddya guess, all you knobalists out there. Keith is the beach-cruising American tourist and I've got the perfect bargal for that Liz Taylor role.

Mac says:

Not to boast, but I had Kasman pegged as Summers months ago, for reasons very similar to the seven points David lists above. I assumed that Summers' middle name begins with 'A' (Asshole?), giving the initials KAS, and posted my theory here:
http://www.bangkokgirlfriend.com/?p=98#more-98
on Jan 19th.

Kasman's abysmal writing skills - especially the garbled syntax - echoed Summers' own, and seemed a dead giveaway. And who would extol Summers' site, as Kasman frequently did, but Summers himself?

By the way, K*A*S*, this (?) is called a question mark? It goes at the end of a question? Not a statement? I hope you understand?

Prufrock- interesting idea. The title of the remake should be "Suddenly, Last Summers".

Hope he's prepared his Last Will and Testicle ...

Eniac says:

And for the kids, how about "I know what you did last Summers".

It will surprise no one if his body is found on Pattaya beach with crabs crawling all over it because, for Keith, that's just a typical Saturday night.

kwai mai sabai says:

Sherlock outed Kasman 3 weeks ago.
Sherlock says:

Kasman = Keith A. Summers MAN (Tours) or Keith A. Summers (The) MAN

March 12, 2007 1:30 PM

God, you guys are slow on the uptake!
Sherlock, move to the head of the class.

Prufrock says:

Keith "Kasman" Summers has declared:
"Now come on Prurock, since you are biggest ASSHOLE here, I nominate .... blah . . . blah . . . blah.

Why do I feel as if I've won some kind of Oscar?

Kasman, Summers, self- declared, self-aggrandized, self-libeled, self-deluded, . . . etc. etc.
(What was it again, Keith?? Oh Yesss). . . . FUCKWIT

Keith? Why don't you just stop this ???
You are a man skidding for the wall.

Paxil is NOT a breath mint, Keith.
Think of the money you'd save on SRI's alone.

Kasman says:

Prurock

I issue want I want you faggot now go and call the minister of communications. Or if you are in the vicinity of IT Square you can pop in and ask them in person.

But I think you realize Dave's story is all bullshit much like yourself and your own threats.

Another fucking teaching wannabe thinking in your wild dreams you could even find $10k or that you would even remotely know anyone that would do anything except spit in your eye

Now for all you wannabe detectives out there. There is one person here on this forum, that knows who the Kasman is, and this one person, if you can figure it out, never says jack shit about the Kasman here?

Hum? Wonder why? Ever read any stories of all the farangs here in the bighouse screaming their innocense?

I would surmise some of them thought the same as Prurock and happened to cross down the wrong path one to many times.

Now the rest of you internet detectives that know anyone here in Thai PD and know them well, ask them if there are any innocent farangs here in the prison system simply for crossing down the wrong path at the wrong time?

How the hell would some ignorant farang do that? Because when you act like Prurock thinking you are the shits here, you find out no farang is.

Well I take that back, I know maybe one that is quite untouchable on his own with no Thai Family after 33 years.

Now why do you think that is? All you detectives should figure it out sooner or later.

But here is a clue. With millions of Thai Girls and 100,000's of police here, sooner or later someone would end up getting married to a gal whose father just might be a someone in the PD

The odds are pretty fucking good that would happen.

So now find out who it is that knows the facts about the Kasman, even knows who the Kasman's father in law is, then come and fucking get me if got any balls.

Prurock you are not stupid enough to out yourself because I think you know you are all mouth and no action.

You don't know anyone and if you do, why not bring them along and we can all get together and see who is really who.

Or course if you happened to do something to get yourself arrested, there is nothing I can do to help, but I might visit you in Bangkwang

NOT!

Kasman says:

Kasman facts for all the brain dead

1. Not Keith sorry and not a Keith hater either.
2. Never been to Pattaya, matter of fact, never been to the ocean in Thailand.
3. Never out in the bars on advice from in laws. After all, I am still a farang and realize the fact that I could disappear as easy as anyone.
4. Hold valid Visa's Syria, Pakistan, others
5. Never been a teacher
6. Bilingual English/Thai (THAI US DOD Language School)
7. Arrested once in Thai.
8. Don't drink or smoke
9. Travel extensively to third world
10. Spend fair amount of time in Yala

So the facts are here that this indeed not Keith Summers and I would venture to say, if I ever had a reason to venture up north, I would probably stop in and see his business. However, I never would have a reason to go up there or really anywhere outside BKK and Yala.

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Hi Keith "Kasman" Summers

Your silly charade is already a lost cause.

Regards
David

Road Natzi says:

Keith Kasman Summers,

Why don't you come clean and meet up with a few of us for a beer. Of course if you don't mind, we would like to have that beer, somewhere real quiet where theres no witnesses....You gutless cunt.

Common Sense says:

David,
I know you've managed to trace IP addresses back to people before to prove they were the same poster making multiple claims under different handles. Is there any way of doing this with FUCKWIT.

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Hi Common Sense

eBay traders are always savvy to this kind of thing and they often subscribe to multiple proxy servers etc.

However, Keith's writing style is so "unique" and his arguments so predictable that we can all spot his contributions regardless of what IP address or handle he selects.

Regards
David

Prufrock says:

Keith Kasman: When your Thorazine runs low and you start to believe that you "don't need it any more", your "THE Kasman" thing gets pretty declarative there, Keith, "THE Galt" Summers.
This "THE" affectation isn't helping the charade either, there Keith. It's the sort of thing a guy might use to promote his own nickname in a Ft Lauderdale Bar ,(sorry- digression).

And yes, of course, Kasman in the classic textbook presentation of this mental illness, the only other person on this forum who would actually know "the Kasman" would be Keith Summers' physician.

I don't think anyone is too surprised you're not a Summers hater Kasman :-) And Keith, well he does all that dodgy stuff on your silly list right Kasman?
(I'll just click on over to Your "NOT" site this evening, after you've had the guts to post more "proof" that you are not this fictitious Kasman personality.
And,yes,I'M quite SURE there'll me more declarations from "Keith" that you are not the same person.

But we never see you both in the same room, do we.
With all your hatred of expat bloggers and your isolation from the rest of us I'm surprised that two guys with SO much in common haven't met up for a little commiseration. A little foursome at Ratcha preuk with the "Thai PD" perhaps?

What's keeping you apart? :-)
It's OK Keith, a few more days of this, you'll go back on the medication and then as usual, you'll be quiet again for a while.

C'mon now. It's for your own good. More water? Now the blue one, Bigshot.
Attaboy.

Now the Atavan.
Nighty-night.

See lads? See what happens when you self-medicate???

Jacobs Ladder says:

Its a scream to see one poster here riled the whole lot of you. Its quite a laugh indeed as everyone here is making an arse out of themselves. I guess only in LOS could something like this happen.
Road Natzi if you have to take all your friends to get this one guy, need to check the definition of gutless there mate.

somchai says:

some questions:

1) You sure the lady that called you wasn't some long forgotten bargirl from one raucous night down in Nana so many moons ago?

[I've already explained to Islander (at great length) why this couldn't be the case. Please read the thread before you ask me a question because I don't have time to repeat myself - David]

---all things being equal, that's more likely than a government conspiracy against you, isn't it?

2) If the Thai government wants to get you, would they not have already blocked your site? Is it not as simple as that? Why hacking? Why stalking phone call? They're the government, they can just block you like they do other sites.

[There's no reason for them to block my site. Mango Sauce isn't obscene or an immediate threat to national security. It would only become a threat during a time of crisis - as would every other discussion board in the country - David]

3) Does anyone other than the usual expats, sexpats and sex tourists (and the odd internet surfers here and there) even know of this site ---- let alone the government? Now Thaivisa.com is well known, but mangosauce --- though a funny and entertaining site --- is simply for farang men who love bargirls, so I don't quite understand how mangosauce can be on a government's wanted list.

[In Thailand, Mango Sauce is more widely read than the websites of Fox News, Bloomberg and BBC World (according to Alexa). It's not the content that matters - it's the size and nature of the readership (which currently numbers over 100,000 people per month) - David]

4) Let's just calm down and focus on providing love stories about farangs and bar girls.

[What do you think I've been doing these last few days? - David]

Kasman says:

Dave,

Better keep you eye on the news!

As posted in the Nation Today:

ICT ministry to shut down controversial websites.

The Information and Communications Technology Ministry has ordered staff to shut down any websites deemed to be violating the orders issued by the leaders of the Sept 19 coup.

ICT Minister Sitthichai Pookaiyaudom said the ministry had the authority to block any websites considered to have committed lese majeste or seen as a threat to national security.

That power was vested in the ministry by the Council for Democratic Reform (CDR), he said. The CDR, run by the coup leaders, later metamorphosed into the Council for National Security (CNS).

Mr Sitthichai said his ministry was empowered by the CDR to regulate, block or terminate any information media deemed harmful to democratic reform.

The ministry was not targeting any website in particular, he added.

Kasman predicted by telling Prurock to go to the Minister of Communications 2 days before this news broke, to see if Mango Squash is on the hit list.

I did hear today that someone filed a complaint with the Minister of Communications against your site, so if they did not know you before, they will certainly know you now.

I heard they are currently scouring your site and all back articles for any lese majeste offense, so I hope you do not have anything there in violation or that they do not consider Mango Squash a threat to national security?

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Hi Keith "Kasman" Summers

I read the papers too.

There's no lese majeste allowed here but I noticed that someone tried (and failed) to post an anti-royal comment a couple of days ago.

Presumably that was you but, if you want to set me up, you'll have to try harder than that.

Regards
David

PS. Your own website is a signed confession to your involvement with illegal sex tours. You should get your own house in order before you start filing complaints about me to the Minister of Communications.

Common Sense says:

Keith/Kasman/FUCKWIT,
What exactly do you wish to accomplish by all of this. Do you have such a meaningless existence that you must try to destroy the livlihoods of others in order find a place in this world. This all boils down to penis envy. David's and Stick's was bigger than yours so you want to cut them out of the pic.

Your antics have even inspired the peace loving Prufrock to begin endorsing gratuitous mob violence against you. My biggest hope is that your eventual attitude readjustment is videotaped and used to provide David with a humorous little article to further grind the axe into your carcass, FUCKWIT.

Kasman says:

Sitthichai Pookaiyaudom, the minister of information and communication technology, promised early this week to block websites he or his staff considered to be pornographic.

Not that the sites were actually pornographic Davey, but merely considered by his staff to be pornographic.

I think the MC staff's will include Mango Squash on its pornographic site list and the end is probably near.

You would make a Mini-Mango for all the forum keyboard warriors, but would have to steer clear of the ads and other issues promoting or RESEMBLING to promote pornography.

Here is a good example from your google adwords that will get the hammer dropped and squash mango for sure.

Kinky Women Seeking Men Get laid tonight! Kinky Women Seeking Men! Let's Get It On Tonight!

Hey Dave, the Kasman has a relative working in the Ministry of Communications. Let me know if I can help you out in anyway.

One again this is not Keith and if you know Thai, understand there is a Thai name close to Kasman. Get it now? Kasman is a shortened version.

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Hi Keith "Kasman" Summers

I understand the nature of the threats you're making but a naive attempt to recruit the ICT Ministry into your anti-Mango Sauce campaign may backfire on you - and possibly on our whole community.

You're playing with fire.

Regards
David

somchai says:

man, you boys an an angry bunch... but it's great entertainment reading.

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Hi Somchai

Thank you.

I'm glad you've finally come round to my way of thinking.

Regards
David

Prufrock says:

There are real gaps in Kasman AKA Keith Summers education. The SAME gaps. The same linguistic fault-types show up in posts from either screen name.

Keith is a product of the "Reel Inglish" school of primary education afoot in the public schools 30 years ago when American educators, in a show of desperate, misguided equanimity and inclusiveness sought to "deregulate" the 'Markin language. Keith Sommers is a product of this lazy pedagogical misstep.
As well, both names avail themselves specious logical paradigms are identical in both their tendentiousness and their awkward presentation style.
At this stage, Keith as Kasman is desperate enough to advance that Yala red herring just to try to break the pattern.
Things will get even more desperate as he finds himself in more and more complex logical tangles. It'll only get better.
We can expect to see a gradual rise in presentation intensity and frequency as one Summers/Kasman identity seeks desperately to prove his separateness and uniqueness from the other.

As one poster opined "It is a little like watching a slow-motion car wreck."

I have work to do.

Common Sense says:

Kasman,
Please tell me your going to play in traffic once you realize that the Thai authorities don't give a shit. FUCKWITS like you don't deserve life.

camuschula says:

Fellas-

There is no doubt that internet freedom in under attack in Thailand.

Besides what David has claimed in the blog, YouTube has been blocked, and the Special Branch Lt. General in charge of overseeing questionable internet sites has just been fired by General Sereepisut(Kasman's father in law?) for allowing anti-Prem websites to still exist.

I went to check. Some anti-coup and anti-Prem sites, like saturdayvoice.com, has been blocked now.

By the way, there is no law that says it is illegal to attack Prem, but considering that we live under a military dictatorship, the junta can declare Prem to be a gay Boddisattva and nobody could really do anything about it.

Ironically, General Surayud announced in Japan how much freer Thailand's media has become under his rule, and at another forum, he declared, "I call the shots."

However, it looks like the junta has decided to crack down while Big Add has been cavorting with the Japs. I guess the are tired of him being weak and pussying around with the "undercurrents" attacking the Holy of Hollies on the internet.

It looks like the generals have decided to pull the same Thai Two-Step that they did while Thaksin was in New York.

In typical Thai fashion they will announce to your face that they will do no harm, then they will stab you while your back is turned.

They did this Thaksin; now they are doing it to Surayud.

Are these the signs of a counter-coup?

Perhaps.

The rumblings have been there for weeks.

Regardless, if Kasman married General Seeripisut's daughter, then I feel sorry for him, because that general is one ugly mother fucker.

Kasman says:

Sorry Dave. Cut the charades.

Get this through your thick skull. THIS IS NOT KEITH SUMMERS.

I don't have a website you idiot and your claims to playing with fire?

Pay attention to the fact David because if you are wrong and I am not who you think I am, and I really am who I am telling you I am, I would say you are the one with the fire problem.

I am looking down the road into the LOS Crystal Ball and I can see many questionable farang sites disappearing.

Sorry but I do not think the Govt thinks your site has any value at all and the complete opposite, so I will make a wild assumption that it will be blocked for sure? Just things I hear so don't shoot the messenger.

Ask yourself if the Mango Sauce bullshit is what the Thai's want propagating around here?

Oh Please Listen to My Fartings Dave!

I am sure the Ministry of Communications finds that of little to no value.

You have been here long enough to know one thing? If you are not related or have millions of dollars, no Thai of any importance would have anything to do with you.

They sure did not save Stickman from having his site offline for a while and mere shadow of what it use to be did they Dave?

Yourself, Prurock, Common Sense and some of the other idiots here make it real easy to prove once and for all how easy some people can get the things done that they say.

These individuals praising your holier than thou status are only begging for the NEXT GALT to come along and show you how easy you can fall.

No I dont know Keith personally, but here are some facts. He is still in business, despite 5,000 threats here to have harm done to him.

So your readers are all full of shit and I do not think every of your readers have the balls to do anything because they know, same as Keith claimed in the last story, if you are the one starting the fight and you get arrested, your ass is the one that is grass.

One thing is for sure. ALL of your readers are scared shitless of going to any Thai Prison for any offense.

You think any of these clowns would risk going to prison over trying to physically harm another person? I think not Dave.

I can the same Stickman scenerio happening here. We all read Summers site. We know he is comtemplating some more outings.

So sooner or later all your bullshit is going to come crashing down. Because no farang here is above the rest, even though some think their internet popularity is a get of a jail card here, I can assure you that is not the case.

Arrogance will be the downfall here. The odds are your website reaches a few people here in Thailand that are related or really have some power to make things happen here.

The rest of scared shitless of going to Prison for any offense like the rest of the population.

Making arrogant proposterous claims is your own invention and will be your own downfall.

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Hi Keith "Kasman" Summers

You've already been outed on this forum. Face up to it.

Don't you have tomorrow's column to write?

Regards
"Mango Squash Dave"

Kasman says:

Prufrock

"I have work to do" that statement right there is evidence you are a nobody here.

Must be a real bitch having living in Thailand and having to work? Gee, I wish I had to wake up everyday and go play monkey for someone for peanuts.

If you are working for a living, you are fucking nobody in my league.

No Thai of any importance would ever stoop to hanging around a working class farang. So don't kid yourself.

Better find yourself a wife that has an important family here so you can be a bigshot and blow your big horn with some real authority.

I do know a Generals Daughter, age 32, never been married. Man, hook up with her and you will have some real power.

She can even drive you around in her Mercedes. Sorry, she is not a looker, but with all that power, who cares? Right? She is a Major in the Army herself, so good job and educated too. Guess who she works for?

PS Don't be posting on your work hours. Your powerful Thai boss will probably fire your farang ass for wasting time.

Now get back to work. I don't want to see you on Sukhumvit Road with a holding a sign and a cup stating you don't have enough money to get back home.

D333 says:

Hey Kasman,

You apparently are such a dildo you think it's impressive to brag about being married to a Thai policeman's daughter... a profession we hold in the highest esteem. Then you freely admit to doing nothing...which must mean Pops is rich and therefore rather dodgy. Which would also mean (if all this crap is true)that whilst you are shitting yourself about putting a foot wrong and offending the in-laws, Pops is most likely enjoying freebie massage parlour shags on a daily basis.

Commonly known as selling yourself to the devil, I think. What a fucking desperate way to stay in Thailand, you sad prick - you're a convincing argument for actually wanting to be a teacher.

Wombat says:

Kasman

I don't really care who you are. Furthermore, I don't give a shit who the unfortunate girl is who married you. I do feel sorry for her & her relatives who undoubtedly have to listen to you blowing your own trumpet all day. That is when you are not here telling everyone how important you think you are.

You do have one thing in common with Summers. Popularity, or rather lack of it.

As for someone having a go at Summers that is something I will never condone. I have said before it is much more entertaining watching him self destruct.

Now for a little education. Having a go at someone is a business. Forget any rules. You get the job done. Doesn't matter where you are or how crowded you think it is. Unless employing the services of a full time bodyguard there will be a moment when you are completely alone. That is when a person is vulnerable. It doesn't matter what sort of punch up artist they think they are.

Prufrock says:

Kasman/Summers: You seem to have this wild Rupert Pupkin thing going with popular farang bloggers in Thailand

And you think work is for peasants, Firing-squad Bait?

Anyway, all that stuff about you and your company, and all that nonsense about looking for a farang manager at 80K, and all that stuff about you working and being respected etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum, that was all bullshit then.

Just tell me one thing Kasman/Summers: Were ya lying back then or are you lying now?
Or are you just making it up as you go along.

And then first it was the PO-lice and then it was the Army. Which IS it you lying, useless, 10-cents-a-dance, FUCKWIT?

And Kasman? There are men in this forum who are comfortable in this country with more money in their pockets than you'll EVER have in your hands at one time.

Knowing well-mannered and cultivated Thais the way I know them, if Kasman actually existed anywhere other than Keith Summers mind, he'd be the family fucking joke.
And that's no matter how ugly you say your wife is.

Joe Black says:

D333

don't see anything wrong with selling your soul to stay in Thai. Where can I find one of those sheilas? Honestly if I could find a rich girl, even homely, I would man. It would be worth it having everything taken care of for me.

Kasman says:

Prurock

Has anyone on this forum shared their bank account information with you?

So caught you in a lie there sport.

As far as Police and Army. Re-Read. Your probably worked too hard today and your brain is tired.

Married into Police family, however, know many in the Army of course.

Wednesday is sport day. Show up at the golf course between the runways at Don Muang, every Wednesday and you will meet all the who's who of the Thai Military.

PS Make sure you have some Honma or other golf clubs that are least $3,500 a set so you don't get laughed out of there.

Dose of Reality says:

As though Mango S***e or any other Thai-focused site in in English is important enough to censor...

Face it, you kids are much too full of yourselves. In the grand scheme of things Thai, you don't matter in the least.

Dose of the Clap says:

'Things Thai' rarely get beyond 'grand schemes', do they. Look at those forlorn pillars from the hopeless Hopewell elevated train project. Look at the abandoned half-built buildings all around town. Look at the grand facade of somebody's wet dream of a condo project rotting in front of an empty field near Ploenchit. Look at the showcase new airport that's proved to be so woefully inadequate that they've had to re-open Don Muang.

Think of the endless procession of grand schemes that have been dreamt up and announced to great fanfare that have never seen the light of day. Last week it was the "smart taxi" scheme that was dropped. Probably because anything smart wouldn't fit in with the prevailing stupidity. Had a look at the inbound entrance to the On Nuch skytrain station lately? It looks like they've had a team of retarded monkeys working around the clock to create such a chaotic, dangerous, senseless mess.

Here in the "Land of the Free" you've got your - what is it, 16th? - military junta working on the latest in a long line of grand schemes.

Who's full of themselves? Things Thai are a pimple on the butt of the of the developed world and a running joke.

Dicer says:

Reading "Does of Reality" vs "Does of the Clap" I want to call myself "Reality is the Clap".

It's all to do with psychotic foreigners and retarded locals. Anxiety ridden foreigners and fear laden locals. Egotistical foreigners and introverted locals. Future thinking hypercritical foreigners and state of being in the now locals.

Locals would faint and then up the ante, then the farang would slide into denial and faint. Let's call it a synchronised faint ballet.

Prufrock says:

Kasman/Summers: For a Don Muang caddy you sure have a lot to say about yourself.
My clubs? Like a lot of real athletes, I rarely golf. I carry a set of faves in a new Oakley bag. (Yes, I CARRY or I don't play.) Caddy follows with two umbrellas. Sattihip, Royal Bangkok Sport Club nice view from the Ratchadamri Skytrain there, Flyweight) and Ratchapreuk have been just fine until now.
I prefer the conversation there, no 2 foot gimme circle and there's less cheating with the, um, "ancestral rights" team. You can have your imaginary pimps in uniform crowd there Kas/Summers. And as for Don Muang, well as we see from your posts Summers, you're just the blow monkey hired to carry clubs whenever the inevitable bent general makes it to the links.
Spit or Swallow, there, Summers?

Prufrock says:

Here's a classi Keith Summers crime against logic. CLASSIC>

Kasman (KEITH SUMMERS, fer shure) says:

Prurock

Has anyone on this forum shared their bank account information with you?

So caught you in a lie there sport.

Classic psycho peudo"reasoning" from the following peanut gallery of self illustrated ninnies . . .

THE Galt, THE Kasman, The Keith Summers THE FUCKWIT

kwai mai sabai says:

13 Xs is giving me triskaidekaphobia. I think Kashole is trying to draw the wrath of the censorship board, n'est-ce pas?

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Hi kwai mai sabai

I agree and I've removed that comment plus half a dozen like it.

Regards
David

D333 says:

Hello, Meet Joe Black!

Good point- yes, I am sure that we all would like to get hooked up with the right and very rich Thai daughter.

The down side being the relentless pandering and grovelling you'd be expected to make on an hourly basis to the in-laws whilst walking on egg shells that you never pissed them off.

Kasman/Keith's made up rubbish above about his "connections" to the PD are beyond a joke. If it were the case can you imagine living in the Kingdom and never visiting a bar...

As for Kasman/Keith's portrayal of his 'in life' they get more and more absurd yet at the same time amusing. Do generals (and police) play golf on sports day- yes, they do. Apart from the fact that on a Wednesday or Thursday one might actually expect them to be working- the cheap sods get to play for 400 or 500 baht yet at the same time gamble their arse's off for tens of thousands of baht per hole- but what the hey, ill-gotten gains are easy come easy go.

Once again, 'respect' to the dubious Kasman for his fantasy regarding being connected in the all the 'wrong' circles.

Re the rest of the above- there are a lot of misconceptions and stupid comments regarding the site and possible government interference. David has not once implied that the site is anything more than it is a highly visited site. He has never said that this influences anything in Thailand. The greater point is - what does this say when a fairly innocuous site (and thousands more for the umpteenth time) such as this are likely coming under scrutiny by the government. Well, in a 'democracy' that claims to have freedom of the press/free speech the more things change the more they stay the same.

It's about checks and balances purported to be in place that in fact do not exist.

The bigger fish are seldom if ever fried here- so it is always about show and a pretense whilst hammering the guppys.

Mac says:

Shoot! Looks like I missed an episode. Could you at least describe what the 13 Xs thing refers to, David?

[I can't remember exactly but it involved hate and death etc. Two or three lines of crap. You missed nothing. - David]

Prufrock- the Rupert Pupkin remark was perfect, but I doubt many people here got the reference. They should check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_King_of_Comedy_(1983_film)
and
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085794/plotsummary

Prufrock says:

We will hear very little from Kasman/Summers today on this board. Today, Keith's busy on the Galt board with his Summers identity: over the next ten or fifteen Hours, an over-worked and out-of-gas Kasman/Summers will be frantically frame his next set of allegations against the owner of this site.

There will be little time to get anything coherent down so get ready for a wild-ass farrago of non sequitur insanity as Kasman/Summers, Prozac, Valium, Paxil-pickled, self-confessed obsessive-compulsive, narcissisticly frenzied brain goes into OVERDRIVE and spews like a broken sewer main.
(This IS Songkran season after all but this week? Well, Keith will be well into the klongwater.)

So yeah Kasman, Keith's numbers should be up a smidge but they'll NEVER break 1000 in a day. And as one poster mentioned, do bear in mind that only people who hate the bastard check out his nonsense anyway. (No wonder you always follow your dismal stats with your "that's what I planned" blurb.

Keith's latest allegations will appear in all their twisted, self-fulfilling inanity and grammatical ignorance tonight or tomorrow on Summers pathetic Galt website along with more of his Songkran window dressing for the Communications Ministry.
Nice try Keith :-)
In the weeks before he filed his complaint with the Ministry, Summers busied himself pumping hot air and parade pics into the "touristic" face of his website with his stupid Songkran pictures.
Of course, this was ONLY a beard, a ruse (professional cons call this "the rope") for the Ministry officers who might want to have a look at Summers site when he made the complaint (the hook).
When they DO, Keith, we'll be there for you.
All your "virgin hunting/sex man tour" stuff is still up there Keith/Kasman.

And so are OUR reactions to your warped proclivities. Our profound revulsion for you and your raison d'etre here in Thailand is palpable.
Clever Thai Ministry officials will soon see what's going on. Anyway, we'll help the Ministry out with that, OK?
(That would be "the sting?)

Summers uses the Kasman face to provoke MS and he uses his Galt/Summers thing to play up his fake "pro-tourism" image
He mistakenly believes that Thais are stupid and will get taken in by the obvious attempt to blackmail this site and it's owner.

Time is running out though.
Kasman/Summers is now just desperate to close the circle on the tendentious web of allegations he strung around for the Thai authorities.
There's a "cry-wolf" fable here as well ;-)
A now emotionally exhausted Kasman/Summers has spent the week filing complaints with the Ministry and attempting to convince anyone who'll listen that the foreign community here is impure.

It will be crystal clear to these people however just who the REAL toxic presence is here in Thailand. From Keith Summers' early sex-tour escapades and his boastfully methodical "harvesting" of innocent virgins, Summers for the moment, is an horrific blight on the entire expat community.
Summers' most recent fixation-obsession with the "emotional development" of a seven year old Thai female child is repulsive, repugnant deeply disturbing to us all.

Obviously, Summers sees nothing wrong with his ongoing obsession with underage females.
Now that he's rung the bell on this ugly aspect of his psychological makeup all of us, Thais and expats will easily concur that the sooner he's out of the picture the better.

Kasman says:

Prurock are you posting on company time? Naughty boy.

I am still waiting for the name of the poster who gave you their bank account number?

Nothing incoherent about that

Kasman over and out

Rick H. says:

I don't blame Kasman....If I were Keith Summers, I would pretend to be someone else as often as I could.

Kasman says:

Well, after reading NotStickMan, I think it is pretty evident this is not Keith. Not one mention of Prurock, Road Natzi or some of the other wonders here.

But the real Keith still has a bone for Stickman and Dave.

Ever Noticed... says:

How sometimes a reply will show up here BEFORE the message is approved for public viewing?

David, your pants are down. Again.

[I append my replies to the comment so that they can be published simultaneously - David]

Mac says:

"I don't blame Kasman....If I were Keith Summers, I would pretend to be someone else as often as I could."
- Rick H.

The trouble is, the experience of being Kasman is so thoroughly disagreeable that he then has to pretend to be someone else yet again.

Prufrock says:

As predicted
Little from Kasman/Summers.
A moralistic regurgitation of an earlier brainfart about posting on company time :-).

The mutterings of an exhausted FUCKWIT.
Exhausted? Well Yeah.
And Summers didn't have the energy to post either. Fancy that.

This high intensity stuff must be taking its toll on Kasman/ Summers

Now. Y'all ready fa'DIS???

Kasman/Summers' next ploy will be a shot of him in front of some monument in Yala. He'd have us believe he's got a big-time arms deal there but its just a visa run.
That's where his lawyer sends him every time.
That's right, this "connected" douche bag still has to do annual visa runs.
Then we're gonna get some desperate jive from his Summers identity on the Galt site. It'll be about this sight.
And it'll be about how he's persuaded the generals to hassle the MS blog owner.
It'll be living breathing proof that this guy is barking fucking MAD.
In any case, Keith's gonna be a little late this week. He's been running two identities for a coupla weeks, after all. And I can tell you that after running three identities for a while myself, I really did have a lot of hassles with that Thai boss of mine;
the luscious Khun Om Sin

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
I know I've bagged on your ole' lady a few times before, but does she have any hot sisters. I'm having devilishly perverted thought's of the fun times I could conjure up with a woman who had the last name 'Sin'.

dingdongrb says:

A comment I would like to make and then a few quotes I would like to 'punch' at. The comment: I don't think that the Kasman is Summers. Actually I am Keith Summers. So there it's out. LMFAO. You dumb asses...Now come and get me if you have the balls.

But it doesn't look like Road Nutzi could unless he brings his friends. (Jacobs Ladders sums that up real good.)

"Why don't you come clean and meet up with a few of us for a beer." - Road Nutzi (Notice the word 'us'? Like he still has Pruie attached to his ass.)

"Road Natzi if you have to take all your friends to get this one guy, need to check the definition of gutless there mate." - Jacobs Ladder

Road Nutzi is a keyboard pussy unless he has friends with him. And I guess from my understanding he only has one.

"Now come on Prurock, since you are biggest ASSHOLE here" - Kasman

I agree with this comment, but Road Nutzi is squeezing in tightly.

"From Wikipedia:" - David

David, Don't you know, don't always believe what you read. Wikipedia is an ever changing source. And it's accuracy is sometimes questioned.

[Here's the Wikipedia passage I quoted: "Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired; to denigrate and feign disdain for that which one could not attain." It's the correct definition and you're a perfect living example - David]

"man, you boys an an angry bunch... but it's great entertainment reading." - Somchai

Somchai, You hit the nail on the head. I have been saying this every since I came to this website. It's cheap entertainment. Actually I'm passing time now at the Hong Kong airport, on my return to LOS, sitting in the Thai Airways lounge, surfing the good ole Mango. (Hey Pruie, only business class tonight...bahhhh)

dingdongrb says:

By the way Pruie with your one post up there being damn lenghty and boring I am beginning to think that you are actually Dicer!

Dr Earnshawe says:

Mr Dingdongrb

With the benefit of hindsight it is obvious you were Mr Summers all along. Not that I want to fall out again with you Keith because you haven’t had a go for two weeks. In fact, I am coming more on to your way of thinking, since I read some doubtful advice on a Stickman Weekly (I think), that damaged my reputation forever among the elderly expats in the Nana Hotel lounge.

Apparently, the reason I wasn’t attracting women around the Nana pool was my lack of sartorial elegance, easily corrected (Stick’s article said), by wrap around sunglasses and by throwing a couple of potatoes down a pair of speedex trunks.

However, this made the women even LESS interested than before and - as I later learned from Mr Foreskin - the potatoes were supposed to go down the FRONT of the trunks.

But how was I to know that? Stick should have been more specific. I’m in with Galt/Keith/Dingdongrb/Kasman from now on.

Dr J A Earnshawe BSc PhD

Prufrock says:

Kasman's Razor: Posted by this idiot Kasman/Summers as "proof" that he's not Keith Summers. . . much like the thinking of a kid who covers his eyes to make us all disappear. . . or that crazy bastard I knew in high school who used to yell into the Women's locker room, "Close your eyes, girls. I'm coming through."

Bearing in mind just how many times he's shoved his foot (or Summers' foot) into his own mouth over the past three weeks, Kasman/Summers assiduously edits his latest Galt effort for sixteen hours for any slips and twenty-four hours later emerges triumphantly from a Thorazine coma to make the following pronouncement . . . .

Kasman/Summers says:

Well, after reading NotStickMan, I think it is pretty evident this is not Keith. Not one mention of Prurock, Road Natzi or some of the other wonders here.

But the real Keith still has a bone for Stickman and Dave.

April 5, 2007 7:54 PM

How was Yala, Keith?

kwai mai sabai says:

dingdongrb,
I know what ding dong means (crazy as a soi dog)but what does the rb stand for? Righteous Bastard?

Prufrock says:

Mac posted: The trouble is, the experience of being Kasman is so thoroughly disagreeable that he then has to pretend to be someone else yet again.

I figure that's why he's (um, that'd be Kasman/Summers? :-) running around in circles chewing on his arse.

Whippet says:

BKKPages.com was hit by a DoS attack a few hours ago. There is no public forum there but it does show news. Coincidence?

0zz1 says:

This has been interesting to read : )

I do not understand why it is so difficult to believe that this site will be one of the tens of thousands of sites that will be blocked. And if not for nothing else then just in case.

Most of us come from contries that do monitor internet using whether it is child porn or gambling.

about the issue that was thsi DOS attack done by Thai gov. Im not so sure. As about the same time many european servers reported DOS attacks.

But if there are still some users in this forums that not use proxys... get yourself loaded with good proxys, many of the proxy sites have already been blocked from Thailand with more to come for sure.

Im new here, but I love the forum and hope that It will continue, hope it already have mirrow sites incase the "main site / server" will get problems again....

Paranoid shit says:

Do you really think the Thai Government hacked servers to perform a DOS attack on your site David?

Why didn't they just block it?

Why not just hack your site as opposed to a server?

Never heard such idiotic comments in a long time.

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Hi Paranoid shit

Answers above. Please read the thread before you ask a question.

Regards
David

Paranoid shit says:

Hi David,

Let me take a wild guess here, you are on a 2mb burst connection with your server package, I admit this is a wild guess but pretty sure that is all you need, it would take just half a dozen people in Thailand on 1mb ADSL connections to do what your server would consider a DOS attack, yes that is how easy it is.

Also servers are attacked every single day of the week, whether it be DOS or Brute Forcing, thats every server David in the whole wide world, not just you and yours.

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Hi Paranoid shit

I've no idea what you're talking about but good luck to you anyway.

Regards
David

Paranoid shit says:

Also your server would not even bother notifying you about a DOS attack unless they have to take you offline for a while.

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Hi Paranoid shit

I have my own dedicated server and don't need anyone to notify me about anything.

I manage it myself.

Regards
David

Paranoid shit says:

Lets see a DOS attack scenario.

You have 6 people on 1MB ADSL connections, they each find 10 of your heavy pages, this one is a good example http://www.mangosauce.com/asian_babes/ lots of sexy pictures to load, so they all open the 10 pages of there choice in tabs, then at the same time they start rolling through the tabs doing hard refreshes, (CTRL F5) in theory they will be drawing 6MBs, obviously it would be more likely to be between 2 and 3 at most, a 2MB burst connection is going to close down on that, okay with Thailands connections 6 people would not probably be enough, but that is how easy it is to DOS a small server.

Personally that is what I believed happened, the Government doesn't need to bother doing this as they can block the site whenever they wish, probably just kids messing around, trouble is that does not make such an intriguing story though does it.

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Hi Paranoid shit

Mango Sauce bandwidth is burstable to 100 Mbps so your theory doesn't stand up.

Incidentally, you need to get out more.

Regards
David