Galt silences Stickman

Bangkok Bad Boy says:

Yeah, spotted that earlier.

I guess Galt's posting of photos of Stickman's colleagues yesterday was the final straw - will be interesting to see what he does for material now!

Calvin Klein says:

Stick would be pooping his pants after the latest post where NOT stickman has posted employee pictures and revealed his workplace... a google later and I was looking at Sticks picture online!

canipsi says:

when i first looked at galts website i thought that he was just using stickmans name to try to build up his own reader base and found it amusing but after reading his latest article "the bannana girl" it is plain for all to see that, for some unkown reason, he holds one hell of a grudge against stickman.
as much as you hate anyone i think it is abominable to launch such a personal and public attack on someone and treat them in such a manner as galt is treating stickman for the pathetic reason that he gives;

"The axe I grind is that Stickman is cleverly taking advantage of people in ways that are clearly questionable. Stick very cleverly mixes truth with fiction and, in the end, his readers are the suckers who pay the tab."

does this faceless bully think that this picayne fact justifies trying to sabotage someones career?
i would also like to add that i think that your article on this subject really hit the spot.

Dana says:

Ok, everyone is so smart: perhaps you smart guys would like to do a net tutorial on such items as restraint of trade, and libel, and slander, and unreasonably aggressive journalism, and . . . oh, and I almost forgot the best part; what exactly would you call posting innocent father's daughters on the net posting with bananas? Mr. Galt can start a fight. Can he finish a fight? I hope he knows where his passport is.

Matt Crook says:

I personally don't care for Galt and what he says. Initially it was novel but that soon wore thin.

that darn cat says:

Its about time stickman was 'outed'. I have heard too many credible accounts of stickman trying to ruin bars of people he just doesnt like, as well of reports of him ripping off his 'clients' of his investigating service et al ad nasuem. what goes around comes around, and clearly stickmans bad karma has finally caught up with him.

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Bukseeda says:

Play with fire Sticky and people will find out what you have been trying to keep secret for so long !
I was getting bored with Galt and thought he had started to clutch at straws until he dropped the bombshell that I am sure many have been secretly wanting someone to drop. So Stickman has been outed, and now he has taken his bat and ball and stormed off (only temporarily I hope).
Get over it Sticky, I enjoy reading your site and so do 1000's of others, but when you go round pretending to be an Aussie when you are doing your unsavoury business (what, Kiwi's have such high moral standards that they would never go to a bar?)
I consider myself a fan of your site Stick, but get off your high horse..please..

thebamboorat says:

Does seem a bit strange to devote most of a website to endlessly kicking the shit out someone else (we've already got TK vs Dicer for that sort of fun). A bit parasitic too when you really think about it. If Stick is forced to bail out where does that leave Galt? The subject matter for 80% of his posts will be gone. Most parasites are usually not stupid enough to kill the host that supports them.

Does anyone know what's behind John Galts intense dislike of The Stick? Must be a good story?

As Dana says, posting those pictures may well come back to bite John Galt on the arse in a very big way.

Looper says:

This John Galt Guy is priceless. He went on about the sanctity of anonymity of webmasters recently and how a bit of ribbing is all in good fun (or was that just a tease?) and then he goes and posts Stickman's school details on the web. Nice one John Galt. I reckon you'll be getting yours in the not too distant pal.

Andy says:

Galt's pastiche of the Stickman site is clearly a "one trick pony" and after running out of "jokes", he has decided to get nasty.
Must be something very personal to precipitate all the vitriol? Personally, I find Galt's site about as amusing as a burning orphanage, and hope Stickman seeks to do something about it...

dannyboy says:

so stickman has got a few questionable practices, so what, the guy is trying to make a little extra in Thailand,when the odds are stacked against you when you are a farang.

this john galt guy has some serious issues to address,to post the photo's of sticks colleagues is seriously misjudged and could seriously hurt sticks health and income.how would he like it ?

please Mr Galt crawl back from wence you came and leave stick alone,i for one love his site and so do thousands of others.

Jack Wow says:

Although I expect Stickman to be back I think he's been asking for trouble for awhile now. If I was in the business of investigating lying, cheating bargirls, then boasting about it on a website, I'd be looking over my shoulder all the time. There can't be a more poorer choice of an enemy to make.
So whose got the story on John Galt's beef with Stick? It seems very personal.

Tom says:

Could Galt not end up in some serious trouble for what he's been saying? I mean, this is Thailand, and I was always led to believe Stick had a lot of allies and whatnot. It must be personal and have a hell of a story behind it because really who, except people who hate Stick personally, wants to sit through such a maniacal tirade?

bob says:

it appears that "Mr Galt" is one envious crazy SOB .You would have thought if he wanted to make a decent website with advertising income he used an original idea .

Mr Lucky says:

I wouldn't expect Stick to have 'powerful friends' do anything about Galt. It would look pretty suspicious if Galt suddenly disappeared.

However, the Stick site was doing a lot of good for bar owners all over Thailand. Not a nice bunch to cross, I would think.

chuckwoww says:

"....who, except people who hate Stick personally, wants to sit through such a maniacal tirade?"

You never seen a big bar fight? People love it.

Vertigo Kid says:

its funny to watch all the old sexpat humbacks that worship stickman writh in social isolation since his site whent down. on the other hand, it give the old men something to talk about while nursing their beers all afternoon in nana plaza. To be honest, I think stickman had this coming to him, if it wasnt Galt , it would have been someone else. wake up folks, stickman is no saint, and he is not above being called out for his past misdeeds.

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Bangkok Bad Boy says:

Galt has got Stickman petrified, that's for sure. He's also clearly a complete psycho.

Tom - Stickman has as many enemies as allies, if not more. Not heard the "Stickman got beaten up" story? Everyone else has...

Galt is cosily entrenched in a nice village in Issan, he's quite safe (or so it seems). Stick, meanwhile, is out in the open in Bangkok. Too many people know who he is (foolishly, he has collected his advertisment/protection money in person too many times).

Should be an interesting time until (if) Stickman returns. It will be even more telling to see what he's removed from his site when it returns (Google Cache will tell all).

HK James says:

I checked out the "Not" website when it was first mentioned on here, David, and I was seriously unimpressed. "One trick pony" doesn't begin to describe the lack of content or direction, and its design rivals the original in shiteness.

Referring to himself throughout as "The Galt" makes me wince, and his lack of writing skills makes me wonder why he thought being a webmaster was for him. But it's his lack of anything original to say which finally damns his site.

Verdict: truly uninspiring.

Smiler says:

Well it has to be said that the stick was heading for a fall and with the rose tinted spectacles of hindsight, even a kiwi could see it was going to happen. Didn't he mention something about envy and jealousy a couple of weeks ago?
I agree with everyone else - the Galt bloke is now living on borrowed time and as sure as I have a crack in my arse he will regret his spiteful, vindictive pursuit of stickman. You must be so proud of yourself Galt, you have achieved exactly.....what?

Saeb says:

Of course the problem is hypocrisy?
Stick affirms to be a legal beagle but in fact does he have three work permits?.
One for his school job. One for income from his site. And,one for his "Investigator" work.
Presumably he can produce tax returns for all income from all three jobs?.
Or not?.
And of course writing about naughtiness in official Thai circles is sure going to get you the heave.
One way or another - only do that from a distance.
Now of course it is pay back time for Mr Galt as he has taken pics from a website and published them on his own without permission or copyright.
Defamation suits fly around all the time here and he is the farang this time round.
I'd be on the way to the airport two days ago!.

Concerned for all.. says:

Any intelligent person has gotta be asking themselves "who's next?" Once the immature and talentless Galt, sorry.. I mean Keith Summers of AsianSignals.com.. (kinda crappy being outed isn't it moron?)

Where was I? Yes, after Keith Summers uses Mangosauce.com and other websites to carry out his petty revenge or hatred, then what's to stop him from doing the same to to Mangosauce.Com and whoever else? Nice commentary MangoSauce, but surely you don't think you're immune to unfounded allegations about exactly the same things do you? Let yourself be used, expect to get thrown away.

Something stinks in Nakhon Phanom tonight. If you read his site, Keith Summers (AKA GALT) has not only broke copyright laws, acted like a bully, misspelled countless words, but has also solicited harm to Stick's personal well being by "cleverly" (for him anyway) suggesting that someone would want to shoot or otherwise cause physical harm to Stick among many other things.

I have concern for the entire farang community. Mangosauce I'm sure is well intentioned, but posting stuff like this only encourages more of the same.

I encourage Keith Summers (AKA GALT) to take down his website immediately and perhaps reopen it at a later time with content more beneficial to the farang community in general. And I encourage Stick to reactivate his site immediately and continue service as usual. I see a dark future for Keith should he not see the wisdom of putting aside pettiness.

stan harris (tmwke) says:

I am afraid that people like Galt are starting to Rule the world.Is it the
time of The Anti Christ ?

observer says:

well it goes to show that anyone who works in a school setting daytime, then goes to gogo bars for "reviews" and does "investigations" is clearly not straight.

had his school known about his extra-curricular activities he would have been out of a job long time ago.

extra-curricular activities? where did i hear that before?

kloshboy says:

Even if this 'Galt' fellow has evidence implicating Stickman in genocide and crimes against humanity, he's still an utter knob-end for pursuing him in this fashion. Halt the Galt, don't sit stewing in his own soup. Them man needs sex. Or more sex. Or sex with a katoey -who knows? Just don't get on the boy's wavelength - it's a dark and lonely place.

Not even a Stickman fan.

barefeet girl says:

I think it very good that bad man stickman becomes known now for what he is a bad man not loyal and not the honest man. stickman will have problem at his work now certainly and his wife lose alot of face and stickman lose alot of face.

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John Galt says:

Hi, this the John Galt. In reality "Stickman silences Stickman". I started my site because Stickman was getting out of control and he tried to bash a friend's company in his column. He did this unfairly. I started 10 weeks ago with gentle pressure against him and he scoffed at me continuously throughout that entire time. Stickman feels pretty invincible. He's become cocky over the years. He practically gloats over his ability to scare people into HIV Test kits and bar girls investigations. SOME of his advertisers are clearly questionable (unregulated illegal businesses give rise to greatest profits to those businesses and therefore the greatest ad revenues). Stick is clearly not interested in the best information for his readership. I have not done anything illegal. I have only posted reflective information from Stickman's own site (and those pictures which are already on the web). Perhaps Stickman should be held accountable for his own crass remarks about his workplace and co-workers. Stickman has done quite a bit to upset other people. These other people are lining up to "put the nails in Stick's coffin" so to speak. I'm only the funneling point for the information and please be assured I make best efforts to determine if the information seems reasonable and correct before I write about it. Dear Mr Stick. If you want to keep your web site off-line - I'll not raise the issues any further. However, if you continue to think you are above the law working inside an illegal business in Thailand, I will turn over all the information that has come to me to several Thai news agencies in Bangkok. Given the current climate of recent coup, the sweeping emphasis on Visa changes, and the recent news feast of John Karr, I don't think you'll do very well. Don't you care about the people who submit articles to your site? Are you going to bring possible trouble to them as well by holding a large meeting of the writers this month? Take a vacation from the web business, keep Stickmanbangkok.com off-line and I think you'll be continuing on with your English teaching without incident. The alternatives may end up being up to the Thai authorities. Oh, and by the way WhoseYourDaddy -- people have had a few unkind words about you as well.

tracey emin says:

*opens popcorn*

zschokke says:

to john galt:

what u have done to stickman is ok. but in my mind not very original.

ayn rand and her systematology novel "atlas shrugged" come to mind.

"who is john galt?"

No John Galt says:

Hi I'm No John Galt and I want to set te record straight.

To start I take no responsibility for my actions, everything I'm doing is someone elses fault. Someone else is feeling my hate and being petty, that's no me in control of my body.

I'm really acting in the best interest of the expat community by carrying out my revenge and satisfying my hatred. I never did play well with others so you can't blame me at all.

After all, it's rather obvious that my website will get a lot more hits even by accident with the clever way I piggybacked on the work of someone else who spent years building their site and reputation and everyone knows that badmouthing others builds an audience.

More, if I had any real talent I'd be able to build my website without being vindictive and accusing others of things I can't prove, but this way is much easier so you can't blame me.. Right? Right? right?

I know all about karma, and I stand by waiting my turn until someone just like me decides to return the favour.

Until then, please know that Keith Summers (AKA John Galt) who runs AsianSignals.com (under several other names as well) doesn't at all apologise for his actions and could well stand to be scrutinized himself. In fact, help me move the magnifying glass to the right just a little bit.. yes that's it.. stand by for some heat..

Sincerely: No John Galt.

Off The Wall says:

Keith Summers (AKA John Galt) is OFF THE WALL! He doesn't know or remember the story of Humpty Dumpty very well.

Hello? says:

Mango Sauce? Are you going to allow John Galt to make such threats on your site?

I'm voting with my feet.. Goodbye MangoSauce..

uber dos says:

Way to go Galt ! Keep up the pressure and dont give up ! I for one am overjoyed to see that arrogant, ignorant, pompous, phony stickman called to the carpet. It is refreshing to see a guy like Galt that has the balls (and means and tech savy) to shed some light on this krooked kiwi named Stickman. I hope his site stays down forever. Stickmans co-workers must be emabarrased come Monday morning, to say the least. Stickman will be lucky if his contract is renewed and he doesnt face the wrath of more than a few families of the women whos pictures were posted online for all to laugh at. My guess is that the Stickman writers get together will be a wash due to this brouhaha.

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Codejunkie says:

This is our guy, right? http://www.asiansignals.com/EBayHtml/
General/Options1.htm

Jack Wow says:

"he tried to bash a friend's company in his column."

Christ, I wouldn't want to cross the Galt!

Sunglasses Ron says:

"Stick very cleverly mixes truth with fiction and, in the end, his readers are the suckers who pay the tab."

What exactly does this mean?

Give Stickman's readers some credit please. Just because Stickman says he doesn't like a particular bar doesn't mean that people will stop going there.

Deaner says:

How confident are you that you'll emerge from this unscathed John Galt?

Technically prostitution is illegal in LOS. I don't think the boys in brown buy the old "but everyone is doing it" excuse when they decide to make an example of someone, especially a farang.

moss says:

There is nothing to Galt, just jealousy plain and simple, evidenced in the lines of his submission here. Glaringly feeble attempts to parse words to support his molten-hot envy; and providing evidence the proverb "imitation is the purest form of flattery" is really a backlash of self-hatred for your very own self.

Galt, if you were back home you wouldn't last long, that's for sure...like a bulb glowing too brightly, I predict your light span will be short!

Slow Learner says:

Let us not forget that someone who would post stories on the glory of screwing virgins in Thailand has no moral high ground to stand on.

Galt appears to have set up his site with the primary intention of mailigning and defaming another webmaster.

Now he seeks more by outgin him. Given it was based on identifying where he works, the only conclusion I can draw is that he wants to cause harm for the old Stick.

I have never chosen to meet Stick. I have posted on and read his site.

Why do Farang attack Farang in a country where the only people who will ever really help you are other Farang.

You may disree, but I think Galt has stepped well over the line. This was the internet equivalent of sending pictures to one of your wives.

Do you want him to do the same to you, Dave? To your friends?

Like in Thailand is not always easy. It may feel like a game, but it is for real.

Why try to hurt someone else? Because they help guys check out the bar girls who try to rip them off?

Petty at best. Reprehensible at least.

A traitor to all of us who have fun in Thailand, but have to face the social disapproval of those who think that is a bad thing.

Slow Learner says:

It will take a few days, but I am also awaiting the response from your ISP.

It is against your user agreement to post a defamatory website. It is also against the law to register a website under an assumed name.

Wonder if they will follow through and yank your link?

Wonder if I went further and scanned the Bkk Post and sent examples of what you have written to Thai authorities who have gone after websites, if one of them might not want a bit of press out of you?

Galt, you crossed a bad line. No intention but to cause harm over your paranoid delusions.

Why can't you just beg to disagree and have your own website, with different views, if that is what you choose.

The Stick site has never had any inkling of trying to cause harm. Your interpretations seem paranoid at best.

Going to go after this one next?

Bill in San Diego says:

When Alexander Hamilton slandered Aaron Burr in the local press, costing him an election, he did'nt hide behind a pen name! And when Aaron Burr called him on it, they settled the matter like gentlemen! Those were the days when men were men, not cowards hiding in the shadows!

Foxy says:

First, kudos to MangoSauce for having the balls to post web links to both Galt's & Stick's sites - unlike another popular but totally pussy-whipped forum out there which won't even let its members discuss this topic. Now we all can make our own decisions on what's going down.

Clearly, there is some petty rivalry, and I don't really care who comes out on top. I'm no fan of Galt, there could not be a more boring and unfunny Thai website IMO. I enjoy Stick's site only for the non-bargirl info. Honest.

My Thai wife just had a look at Galt's banana girl page and feels he's very likely going to be in deep shit with certain Thai authorities, as the pictures were not just stolen, but altered and sprinkled with hardcore sexual innuendo. Galt could also end up being sued by the school and the individuals depicted. The eventual outcome being Galt may have to leave Thailand, maybe even forcibly. Galt keeps going on and on about how Stickman had it coming, well I wonder if Galt has anticipated the repercussions of what he's just done.

Casanundra says:

As they say in Asia... don't mess with someone else's rice bowl.

Enough is enough! Stop this tirade before some innocent bystander gets hurt in the melee as you two jostle with each other. If you two want to have a fight, go and find a boxing ring somewhere, charge us all 5000 baht for a ticket to come and watch and accept that the loser has to get out of dodge when it's all over.

Ding Ding Round 10

Casual Observer says:

This little spat strikes me as nothing more than a huge clash of egos. Every farang who has been in the country six months or more is an instant expert on Thailand - I meet them all the time. Most can barely speak a word of the local language and very few can read or write it but this still doesn't stop them being Thailand experts.

Stickman may "purport not to be an expert, or anything silly like that" on his web site but his smug comments week after week make it clear that he does regard himself as one of the leading farang authorities on Thailand living in the country.

John Galt has a massive ego, as can be seen in his writings, and furthermore claims superiority over Stickman due to the fact he has actually set up a manufacturing business in Thailand.

He emphasises the point that English teachers in Thailand are the lowest of the low; the farang whores of Thailand (as he puts it), and is clearly upset with someone from this profession having such a high profile on the web.

But he also has a point. Stickman does not tell the truth. Can anyone really believe that he felt disgusted about stepping into a filthy little country like Thailand when he first arrived some years ago? Coming from NZ, he knew exactly what to expect and it was exactly what he wanted. However, this is what he has written on his web page and it's clearly not true.

Also, the comments he makes occasionally about not understanding why he remains in Thailand and perhaps it's time to go elsewhere. Lies, again - he knows full well why he stays.

His hypocrisy is mind-boggling, trying on the one hand to demonstrate what a good boy he is but with an obsessive addiction to the seamy side of life in Thailand. For him to preach about one thing but make a living from the other is shameful.

I used to read Stickman before I moved to Thailand and found his analysis interesting and helpful. We even exchanged e-mails and he was always courteous unless I suggested some minor way to improve his site and then he would just ignore my e-mail. He was happy about being the expert and providing answers but never liked receiving suggestions.

But in recent years his site has gone downhill. The basic information he wrote many years ago just remains static and everything now is geared towards making money. Galt makes many a good point about this. Despite being a married man now and having a respectable job (I was quite impressed yesterday after looking at his school's web site), his continued obsession with the prostitution scene just doesn't add up.

Galt has been harsh but for a while now I have predicted that something was coming Stickman's way. He is perhaps fortunate that this vendetta is by an American and not a Thai, especially as everyone knows now what he looks like and where he works.

Anonymous says:

'the place is overrun by some of the angriest and most vindictive malcontents you could ever hope to meet'
while reading Galts latest ranting the above sprung to mind , but then i guess I read it,but I reckon it beats reading the shit dicer spouts and lets face it thats one of the things I love about this country, is the nutters it attracts

satyr says:

To Jack Wow re: "lying, cheating bargirls"...

Lying and cheating would be good descriptives of the majority of a bargirl's customers. You might say a bargirl and her customer are 2 sides of the same coin.

As for this little fracas, its a bad joke - small and pathetic. Maybe both Stickman and Galt should just disappear for good.

Sure, it is good to be wise to some of the tricks Stickman uses but to publish photos of innocent third parties on the internet without their consent and bringing them unwittingly into this puerile debate is irresponsible in the extreme. Making sexually charged remarks about these ladies is immature but you can get away with a lot of stupidity on the net, right?

As for bar girl investigations... anyone getting involved with a bar girl is an idiot to begin with and I have no sympathy for them or care how they are fleeced. If these clowns want their bar girls investigated then someone will take their money to do it, so why not Stickman? It doesn't matter how thorough a job is done, if the girl wants to see someone else that is exactly what she will do and she will probably get away with it. (Tilac I sorry but water buffalo sick. Need new water buffalo and you not give enough money to buy and I not want to ask you more money cos I love you too much... or something like that).

I have said many times to Thai friends: "farang come to this country and lose their minds".

David says:

Most of the comments here that rubbish Stickman and support John Galt are a crude attempt to manipulate this forum.

That darn cat, Vertigo KId, barefeet girl and uber dos all share the same IP address and are therefore almost certainly the same person.

Obviously, readers can draw their own conclusions.

Regards
David

Eniac says:

After playing one dirty trick after another, Galt's credibility is in tatters.

Farang Buffalo says:

This whole thing reminds me of Julius Caesar, in that story a minority started suggesting Caesar was up to no good and soon enough the majority believed it and Caesar was killed because he “ was too ambitious.” As if that justifies murdering someone

John Galt, whoever he is obviously has some beef with stick that goes well beyond his stated gripes. Only someone obsessed and emotionally damaged would make such an effort against another person. All his reasons to justify his actions are just smokescreens belying whatever it is that has truly got him upset. I don’t believe stickman has hurt anyone in Thailand. Thailand is a cut throat place and it takes a certain guile to even survive. Has he done anything at all that the majority aren’t doing? Even so if you don’t like his site why visit it? It’s like these people going on TV bitching about homosexual marriage than being outed they have been visiting a gay masseuse for a few years. It seems like the one who moans the loudest is the one who has the most to hide. I for one enjoy stick’s site. Sure I have strongly disagreed with him on many occasions but that’s what life’s about. Tolerance and compassion. I don’t need to agree with everything he says to see the seeds of goodness in his site. I personally was in a relationship with a Thai woman that ended badly. His site helped me see my folly and not repeat my mistakes.

Finally the posting on the co-workers shows that it’s John Galt who has crossed the line, and John Galt who has a reckless obsession with Stickman. Rather than over analyzing every stick article and bending it to your demented POV why not make a name for yourself on your own laurels and accomplishments? This whole thing stinks and I for one won’t cheer for Stick being silenced due to threats. If it happens to him it could happen to anyone, he should have his voice.

Graf says:

What's the big deal? Stickman is fair game. John Galt has really done nothing wrong. If Stick couldn't take the pressure, oh well. Nobody forced him to suspend his website. That was his choice.

Believe me, no authorities are going after anyone, nobodys getting their ass kicked over this, and certainly no law suits are getting filed. If Galt's website gets pulled because of this... well then he can start another one. That's his right. As far as somebody on here claiming he can be sued for defamation of character; yeah sure... that's "really" gonna happen.

Look the fact is, Stickman set himself up for this. After 3 years of being a devoted reader to his website, I'm no longer a big fan of it. He's rude, arrogent, thinks he knows it all, and quite frankly let his ego get way too inflated.

He has pissed on his fan base (who are the backbone of his website) one too many times. People go out of their way to write submissions, only to get Stickmans now famous line "No comments today". There are exeptions to that, because Stickman singles out his favorite submitters. But God forbid I ever have to read another Dana, Frank Viscay, or Marc Holt submission again.

His Investigation service has also come under fire lately. I know that there are some guys who used Sticks "questionable" services, and are not happy with the job Stickman did for them. Yet Stick fails to mention that part of his buisness on his website. Then he goes even further, and exploits his clients and boasts about his Investigation Services.

Now he is the exloited one. What comes around, goes around.

LDMA says:

I guess the "pussywhipped" site referred to earlier is my site Ajarn Forum. We have limited our coverage of this story as we feel we have a duty to protect teachers from this kind of exposure of their private, and professional life and that of other colleagues caught up in it.

Were this kind of stuff posted on our forum we would have imposed an immediate ban, but since it is coming from a separate site there's not much we can do but block the Adsense ads and lay down some ground rules.

For all the silliness we do allow on Ajarn we feel that Galt has crossed the line from a bit of harmless banter to a s stage where it is clear he is trying to harm him personally, professionally and financially. This is not something we intend to help perpetuate by allowing the URL publication of Galt's site or quoting of details, photos, URLS, or other allegations.

We are in the business of being a teachers information forum, and not a casual tittle tattle forum, and while there's a place for it here and elsewhere, count us out.

Stick has long supported Ajarn Forum, and we feel that his articles about teaching in Thailand are seminal. Stickman is purely about opinion. Who cares if he finds much of the nightlife distasteful. He's not the only one.

Dana says:

The temptation here that I have seen some flavor of in the posts is that this is a tempest in a teapot. The problem is that the teapot is Thailand where the Thais are not disposed to make fine distinctions between farangs. So the possibility exists that the baby (Stickman) will get thrown out with the bathwater (Galt).

So what is the lesson? In any country where you are a minority you have to operate under the radar. Failing that, do not make enemies. All minorities members should look to each other for support, not ego games.

When I worked on St. John in the Caribbean in the early 70's there were 300 white people in a population of 3000 natives. We were outnumbered 10 to 1. We made sure to get along. No one had to be told. Young or old, rich or poor, traditional or alternative lifestyles; we all understood instinctively that survival trumped all else and we looked after each other. I miss the days of community and support. I don't see it and feel it when I am in Thailand. Thailand just seems to be a big stupid knife fight.

Derukugi says:

I think Non-Stickman has stepped over a line. Until now, the rivalry was entertaining. Now, it is mean.

Now, it would fair game to publish Not-Stickmans photo and address too.
Let`s see how he likes that.

Roberto E. Lee says:

Oiy! My contention might simply be the following line from Galt's site: "I think this one would get my banana (sic) attention. Baby, can we let your hair down a little bit?"
To point out the criticism of Stickman is one deed, one done rightly by us whom worship the truth (according to ye ole' wife of Sticks). But to add sexual innuendos and commentary on people with whom you have no beef would ire Ms. Manners and all who purport to have some shred of decency.
Shame, shame, shame on you.

Stick fan says:

It's time to dig a bit more into Keith Summers...aka John Galt.

Go here to see his face....and be quick before he shuts it down hahahaha

http://www.asiansignals.com/EBayHtml/General/
Warranty13Months1.htm

Mr Lucky says:

I guess the days of internet anonymity are over. It was a powerful thing while it lasted. Though it allowed for a lot of bulls**t to be published, it also allowed those in the know to reveal scandalous truths without fear of repercussions. Lord help us if Galt carries through with his threat to bring this to the Thai media.

Like anyone with a grain of sense, I took Stick's weekly with an ounce of salt. Any publication has a slant so that's no big news.

The thing I will miss is the readers' submissions. That was the coolest part of the site. There was a lot of cr*p but many many gems. Not likely that such a gathering will happen again soon. Dana will find a new whipping post, but I'll probably never find out whether Pothole Research finally found his perfect pothole. And whatever happened to Cent? That guy was the definition of underrated genius (kind of like his idol, Frank Zappa).

If this is the beginning of a trend, the internet is set to become a much more boring place. It's a glass house and Galt just threw the first rock.

No need to despise him, though. From what I've read of his stuff, he is shockingly innocent of the efficiency of Thailand's grapevine (faster than its internet connections) and the swiftness of repercussions (faster than a bargirl's mood swing). In the immortal words of Mr T, "I pity da fool."

Tom says:

If you dig deep enough you can uncover questionable things that all of us have done. Galt is continually clutching at straws with his horrible, ugly style of writing that takes entire paragraphs to say absolutely nothing.

So what if Stick has done this or that, haven't we all? Galt is hell bent on bringing Stick down... and for what? What are we treated with on Galt's site? Useless rantings and his own personal complaints that it's costing him more to get laid from one year to the next.

Mo says:

Mr Lucky, Cent is posting on his own site now, www.ThailandStories.com

Garee says:

Can this be the self=absorbed troublemaker. Keith at AsianSignals.com. Maybe his work permit isn't perfect either?
www.asiansignals.com/EbayHtml/General/
Options1.htm

codejunkie says:

The silly little cunt forgot to delete some of his AsianSignal pages with his picture on it (the ones that were mentioned earlier). He's taken them offline but too late of course. They will be posted soon enough. Fair is fair. Keep digging by the way, this dumbass is all over the internet.

Paul says:

I was excited when Mr Galts site came out- It's always good to have the other side... But upon reading his material, it took me about 30 seconds to realise that he is retarded and very childish.

If he was intelligent, he would expose stickman's scams and whatever else he means to articulate in a decent, respectable fashion.

Posting his personal details is fucking dumb. It will cause unnecessary harm to stick and could well ruin his life....

I'm not amused by this, and hope stick can put his life together, even if he is the scammer that Galt says he is.

If I were galt i would be on my way to suwanapoom NOW.

Foxy says:

Ajarn, I was not referring to your site as "pussy-whipped". Sorry, in fact I'm not even familiar with your site. The site I was referring to was one where you might go to get Thailand visa information. The draconian moderators at that site have got major issues with discussions, or even references to, certain topics. In light of what's going down they might be able to claim their policy is right. But regardless, it bugs the hell out of me to belong to a forum where you have to watch every word you type.

Just one last comment. I previously spent over 10 years in Taiwan, and just over a year and a half in Bangkok now. I still get over to Taiwan every couple months. The expat (specifically the professional, non-english teaching expat) communities in these two countries could not be any more different. I'm not referring to internet spats, but the people in general. Foreigners here rarely acknowledge one another when they pass in public places, and those I've met seem constantly anxious or paranoid about knowing new expats. Expats in Taiwan are generally extremely friendly and in well connected circles - literally everyone knows everyone. Perhaps Thailand attracts a different breed of expat, but I have to say I'm not comfortable dealing with them here. Their paranoia is rubbing off on me.

I have absolutely no feelings one way or the other about Galt or Stick, but Galt seems to have lost the plot and for his own sanity I'd recommend he just let this issue go and move on with his life.

Jack Wow says:

David wrote:
The Stickman site is down and offline for the time being. It is hoped that it will return soon...

This gives the impression Stickman isn't too sure if he will return at all.

What it actually says is:
The Stickman site is down and offline for a short period. It will return soon.

[The message has obviously been changed since yesterday - David]

It will return soon, I'm sure - probably not before Keith Summers (www.asiansignals.com/EbayHtml/General/
Options1.htm - bastard pulled it before I could see him) shuts down Notstickman.

This is Stickman inviting his readers for a get together:
http://www.aboutus.org/StickManBangkok.com

Can we expect a similar invitation from Notstickman?
Come on, Keith, I'm sure there's a lot of people who would like to meet you.

Saeb says:

Be nice to know the real reason behind the whole cirus.
A very public war between foreigners here - eh, what?.
These things in Thailand rapidly become unstoppable and someone gets seriously hurt - or deaded.

Best they have a beer and agree their differences.

And justice for all says:

hmmm was looking for a new part for my motorbike and look what I came across. Scroll down a little and hey presto !Surely this cant be a photo of the infamous Mr Keith can it ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/
5-Mini-Signals-Kawasaki-KLR-250-600-650-
KLR650-KLR600_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ
categoryZ35598QQihZ016QQitem
Z260046246818QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Hi Keith says:

How about an address? Publicaly avaiable information too.

Galt, John NotStickmanBangkok@gmail.com
1 18/4 Beach Road
Chonburi, A Banglamong 20260
Thailand
5035905

Maybe somebody can check to see if that is real, maybe pay him a vist and see if the face matches ;)

Andy says:

Have to agree with a few of the posters above; there is a real "eat or be eaten" attitude in expat circles in LOS. Not a very healthy attitude in any ethnic minority's way of living a life a long way from home.
Fighting farangs are a massive source of amusement to the locals, btw. The cops will stand around laughing and probably take bets before carting both parties off to the cop-shop.

No John Galt says:

THE PUSSY REMOVED THE LISTING.
ANYONE SAVE IT?

Mr Lucky says:

Wrong to call this a "fight" or "war". Fights and wars involve two sides attacking. As far as I can see it, it's just Galt attacking in highly personal ways, while Stick has wisely withdrawn from the arena.

Smacks more of terrorism....

bemused says:

Wonder what size concrete boots Galt takes?

Graf says:

Whoever keeps posting these BOGUS links that claim to show Galt's image needs to stop. This thing is between John Galt and Stickman. John Galt did this on his OWN website. He actually went out of his way to defend his own cause.

These pathetic attempts to defend Stickman need to stop. Your posting these links on 'someone else's' website. Get a life. Not one of these links has worked. We still have no clue what Galt looks like. You wanna bash John Galt... then start your own website. Don't do it on Mango Sauce

Let Stickman defend himself and fight his own battle. Believe me, I'm pretty sure that Stickman would never go out of his way to defend you or any of his readers. He's proven that over and over and over. Stickman cares only about himself.

TANAI KWAI says:

Given the real-time cat-and-mouse being played with all existing pics of Keith Summers (despite the attempt to throw off the scent with the message at AsianSignals.com directed at Mango Sauce readers) there seems little doubt that this guy is Galt. Could someone kindly explain whether it was cyber-sleuthing that generated this nugget of info -- or did "Concerned for All" just rat him out based on personal knowledge?

There appears to be a missing link (and for once I'm not talking about the hirsute Dana).

(?)

satyr says:

I don't read Stickman's site but...

Assuming these charges of arrogance, etc. are true, I say "so what?" Stop reading it, I am sure you can find other things to do with your life.

Upset by "sneaky" advertising techniques? Are you kidding me? In this day and age of guerilla marketing and numerous other underhanded sales techniques that you get bombarded with on a daily basis, you are going to get put out by Stickman's methods? Water off a duck's back, I say.

Can anyone figure out why a bar or restaurant catering to farang and needing to boost its popularity would pay a website frequented by farang for advertising? I beats me! I just cannot fathom this train of thought. Its illogical!!! (From memory, Galt was upset about this sort of thing on his site or, at least, Stickman lumping such places together with popular joints).

In short, is Stickman worth all this? Hell, is this stupid little spat worth this post?

And Justice for all says:

I like to collect pictures off the internet so I have saved a copy of Mr Keiths lovely photo onto my computer. I am sure it will come in handy and I am a sharing and caring kind of guy so I wont mind sending it over to anyone who might like it too.

No John Galt says:

Doh! The links aren't bogus. I No John Galt can confirm this is really me. I was just too fucking stupid to realise that once I started this crap others could do the same to me. Doh!

No worries, I No John Galt (Keith Summers) will get even with the world who is against me because I AM NOT THE TWIT I appear to be.. And it's not my fault either, I bear no responsibility for my own actions.

Did anyone notice the REAL NO JOHN GALT can spell? The non-real john galt needs to buy a dictionary..

marklatham says:

John Galt is a cunt.

codejunkie says:

What do you mean these links don't work? (Some of these people are REALLY stupid :-))
Copy this link into the address bar of your browser and make sure it's not broken off somewhere when you copy it.
http://www.asiansignals.com/EBayHtml/General/Options1.htm

Chico says:

I personally couldnt care less about Galts obsession with Stick. Seems like a case of pure jealously.. Whatever, if he chooses to spend his time in a bitter vendetta.

I would say that posting degrading pictures of his co-workers is a rather niave thing to do. There are laws that protect Thais against this sort of stuff. Also you never know who their connections are. I hope for Galt that the Thais dont see this, for I dont think it will be Stickman they'll be pursuing.

Its way low bringing other people into this childish conflict. Definately crossing the line.

No John Galt says:

Yes, the links work and that is ME, the one who needs Propecia..

sniffer says:

As Borges said in a slightly different context, it's like watching two bald men fighting over a comb

Justice For All says:

Keith Summers has crossed the line,big time. Hes disturbed someones life,their peace of mind,for petty and personal reasons. Methinks he will reap what he sows, manyfold. Wouldnt like to be in his shoes! What a pathetic, twisted and bitter individual. When the temporary glow of infamy has subsided, he will live to regret his spitefulness for many years to come.

Not A Galt Fan says:

When Galt started he had the potential to be an alternative voice but any hope of that quickly faded.

In a short space of time he turned up the heat and turned up the heat and now it looks like he turned it up so much that the he finds himself surrounded by that very heat.

What he has done is fundamentally wrong and as has been raised elsewhere on the net today he has broken numerous laws.

There is only one way this situation can end and that is for him to stop his site. I guess he doesn't want to stay in Thailand any more?

Idontlikebullies says:

John Galt has posted photographs of innocent Thai women on his website in a manner that I believe is offensive and derogatory to both the women in the photos and Thai women in general.

A point I have made in my report to ict.cyberclean.org

Oh and I made a pfd copy of the web page which I have emailed to ict.cyberclean.org - just to be sure that there is no denial of the facts.

Have a nice day John Galt, I hope your visas, passports and work permit are in order.

Lecter says:

Let's hope it all sorts out.
There are some amazing dickheads out there.

woo hoo says:

what's a pfd copy?

what a wanker,,, says:

I am sure Keith Summers in Nakhom Pratom will be having a visitor. Dont think you can do e-bay without a thai import export licence. do you??

Stick fan says:

Lecter...yes there are!!!...especially webmasters. It's called delusions of granduer.

Kudnepasadoble says:

Wank,wank...money in the Bank.

eh,David?.

deranged says:

Just gancing through his site, it's clear Galt is obsessed with Stickman. He seems to know every detail about him.... Galt, you are a deranged and twisted individual. Get help. Celebrities have stalkers... Stickman has Galt.

Personally, I thought the reader's submissions were the best thing about Stickman's site, and I learnt a lot from them, in spite of living in Thailand for a couple of years. It'd be a shame to see that disappear.

Statler & Waldorf says:

Those who plot the destruction of others often perish in the attempt.

canipsi says:

just saw this on galts webite, under the submission- farangs above the law;

" However, on the flip side, several years ago I submitted a very small piece to Stick myself about what occurred in a classroom full of girls at a school. I was invited in as a guest. I spoke with them from the front of the room, and they asked me questions. What I wrote something that was not comfortable with Stick. He wrote back and said that even through he liked the piece, he didn't want anyone to possibility get the idea that he might be promoting teen age sex. These 17 through 19 year old girls were asking me about my marital status, and if had any kids or wanted kids. The most interesting part of the story was how they responded to my answers, but I didn't feel it was inappropriate or suggestive. It's was a very typical conversation for girls in the country. But, the piece must have titillated the Stick and he feared giving the wrong impression to the world.... So, ok, no big deal. (shoulder shrug and rolling eyes, tongue in cheek)"

could having his submission to sticks site refused be the real reason for this petty and vindictive smear campaign?

BigDUSA says:

It's one thing to go after Stick for what he writes but it's way over the line to 'out' him and post photo's of his co-workers and try and get him fired. Now Galt has posted on www.mangosauce.com that he's going to report Stick for work permit and tax issues to the Thai government and try and get him expelled from LOS.

Galt sets himself up for future retribution when he goes after a guy's rice bowl. Not a good idea.

I posted the above on www.bkktonite.com

woo hoo says:

Nah, I think the real reason will be made known soon.

Methinks Stick will be leaving Thailand soon...

mpd268 says:

As a brit I must say that I read stickmans site as research as when my friends told me about thailand it sounded 'too good to be true'
Even though i liked galts page as a new view and a new perspective, I don't like the harsh reality of 'one up man ship'
Back in blighty I follow news on LOS with interest, awaiting for the funds for the next outing....so all i can say from someone who owes alot to Stick for getting me out there.....Thanks. But for god sake boys sort it out and leave the mud slinging to the kids!!!

Idontlikebullies says:

I'm not at all sure what Stickman's plans are regarding future moves.

But it is to be sure that Galt has set himself up for a move of his own.

When you throw shit, its always a good idea to check which way the wind is blowing.

hairbear says:

the truth is this town is full bitches. every day i have to be educated by some asshole with their 'bangkok rules' that are amde up on the spot. i love bars and drinking, but after six months in this town, the last thing i want to hear is some dumb farung telling me the history of shite. boozing at home is a sign of an alcoholic? bring it on

Scottie says:

I read Stick's site every week and have enjoyed many articles re-LOS.His readers submissions gave me a lot of info.Shame such a stupid person tries to spoil things.Hope all returns to near normal

Chancy says:

I think most of the posters here need to relax a bit. I feel for Stickman, I really do, but it has been a time bomb. As a teacher in Thailand, I am very concerned about the fallout from it going to the media that a farang teacher at a very respected Bangkok school is running a top sex guide to Thailand. I am embarrassed to have Stickman be associated with my profession, no matter how I feel about Stickman.

woo hoo says:

Ah, but Stickman isnt mongering no more!

Or will this be Galt's "November Surprise"?

*knowing wink*

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

you cretin Chancy.

l doubt another story about a pervo English teacher will matter much in a country that is hardly taken at any value other than a complete joke for a country by the rest of the world following the "coup de TART" fiasco.

Thaxo

PS Still great boxes mind you.

mad_dog says:

Stickman's site had some very very dodgy content especially in the readers' contributions section. His dual role as teacher and lead whore monger was untenable. Stickman should have figured this out for himself. Now another sleaze ball has come along and made the decision for him.

Indeed says:

Galt is just begging for trouble. Search Google for 'stickman' and you will see Galt's paid for "Find the banana girl" ad.

If he's not careful he will be playing the game himself with his fellow inmates.

Or something else......

hmmm says:

me thinks galt is stick and stick is galt. Perhaps stick is leaving Thailand for NZ?

Perhaps he wanted to play a joke on all of us?

FYI says:

Stick's site is down but a large section has been archived. Up to 1 april 2005. the whole content is included. This doesn't bode well for the man.

Idontlikebullies says:

Well while I'm certain that Stick is not Galt, I'd not be at all surprised if more than a few of the pro Galt posters here are not Galt himself.

We could hardly expect better of an internet stalker who makes threats from the anonimity he thinks he has through his website.

Time will tell.

Chuck Woww says:

"I like to collect pictures off the internet so I have saved a copy of Mr Keiths lovely photo onto my computer. I am sure it will come in handy and I am a sharing and caring kind of guy so I wont mind sending it over to anyone who might like it too."

Posted by And Justice for all | November 6, 2006 3:46 PM

Sure send me a copy. Thanks.

chuckwoww@yahoo.com

Jack Wow says:

This piece makes me cringe.

http://www.notstickmanbangkok.com/Weekly2006/
WhenLessIsMore.htm

"The great Galt scores!" He thinks he's cassanova because he can pull outside the Nana Plaza Hotel.

And Keith, if you do carry on with the site, for christ sake get a proofreader.

Siam Sam says:

Keith summers, eh? And I hear he has something to do with Living Dolls Pattaya. I wonder whether Stick will have some motorcycle taxi guys paying him a visit soon.

bkkred says:

Have to admit I've read the stick site for years and enjoyed. The readers submissions have been a goldmine.
One thing to note is that Galt damns the the site for bending to commercial pressures and then in a recent column has a happy and approving tour of Tonys new disco down Pattaya way.....bit of a plug for his friend there.But no he would never do anything like that.Hes doing it for the good of society.
In another section he starts to promote his buddys tour company...again fair reader he would never do that for the sake of something as low as commercial gain as he speedily points out.Hes doing it to support one legged widows and beggers.
The mans obviously a psycopath.I certainly dont agree with all stickmans opinions but i think I can probably make up my own mind whether this bar or that go go is up to par.He just gives his opinions,its written in the opening blurb.Its a forum where there are a ton of opinions.
The fact that this guy has taken time to set up a site, badly designed and boring though it may be ,to wreck (lets be honest about it) his reputation seems extra ordinarily extreme.The way its written points to a deranged mind.
Personally I think there arent going to be any lawsuites from the man himself BUT if the school which is an upmarket Thai establishment sees its staff overlayed with bananas under the banner whos the banana girl....well things may be different.Or am I just being paranoid?
Hold on theres someone at the door.....

No John Galt says:

Dear Fans;

My gosh guys, I was just trying to do good things and help all you stupid people out who weren't aware that webmasters sometimes support their advertisers. I'm doing this because you guys are all morons who aren't capable of thinking for yourselves.

Why the hard time then? I've already told you I'm not responsible for my own actions, that everything I do is legal and above board. At least if you ignore copyright laws, the rules of my ISP, work permit stipulations, Thailand export laws and internet regulations, and sleeping with very young girls. (boys too but that's a big secret I hope doesn't get exposed)

Come on guys, talking young virgins out of their cherry for a few baht is a good thing right? After all, every young young girl needs an old balding fart like myself to madquerade as their night in balding armor.. And if they get HIV from me that I might have picked up outside Nana Plaza in that fun parking lot.. then that isn't my fault either and I bear no responsibility.

Please please, don't put up posters of my name and picture in my village/town with some select samples from my site translated in Thai.. they might learn what I'm really about. After all, 10,000 flyers printed up is rather cheap.. and there's no shortage of cheap labour to staple them up all over town, the stores, bars, schools, amphur, police station..

Someone asked me rather nicely to take my site down, but because it's such a high quality site that I've worked on for weeks now (so much effort you know, I even orderd a dictionary) that serves the public good, embarrasses innocent young professional women with sexual inuendos, slanders fellow farangs like you and me, threatens their lives and livelihood, and so many other productive things.. I've (stupidly) decided to stand my ground.. gee, I hope someone doesn't put me in the ground..

If you'd really like me to take my site down and slink back down the hole I crawled out of.. then just tell me.. I'm a perceptive guy and won't need to be hit over the head with it.. too many times. I'll probably tell you all to go take a flying fuck of a leap for your effort.. but that's just my personality. You'll only pry my site from my cold dead fingers...

Good night for now, I'm going to look for some more garbage in parking lots.. it's the only way I can get laid..

Not Sincerely:

No John Galt (aka Keith Summers)

Maudib says:

As others have stated, when you mess with some else's rice bowl, you're going to get what's coming to you...

I've been an avid reader of Stick's site for quite some time... I enjoy the reader submissions purely for entertainment value and some insight into traveller's experiences in LOS... Most people are savy enough to read between the lines and recognize the difference between entertainment & infotainment... Keith obviously does not...

Now that Keith has dropped the bomb on Stick, I no longer have my daily LOS entertainment... boohoo... Posting someones place of work & links to photos on the net is definitely taboo and will likely lead to loss of face, job and livelyhood for Stick... Not to mention many of the bar girls Stick investigated are probably out for blood right now...

Keith should become acutely aware of two guys on a motorcycle where ever the travels from now on...

Touche motherfucker...

Slow Learner says:

I must say, I enjoy Not Galt more than Galt, by far.

Does that mean life would be more fun without Galt? I think so.

I enjoy reading Stick's site, whether I agree or diagree with content (not that I care, it is only entertainment).

I do not enjoy Galt's site.

Unfortunately, right now I cannot read Stick. I do not want to read Galt.

Oh well, at least I have Mango Suace and Thailandstories.com. I enjoy them as well.

JohnDoe Soi 4 says:

No John Galt (aka Keith Summers) is he the same John Galt ?

Anyway to Keith of Ebay fame "Asiancycle" .

You make some very nice bike parts , if they are your own tooling you have spend a ton of baht on them ,

Why are you risking this good business throwing mud at Stick ?
And if you say its because he insulted your friends , are your friends going to bail you out of jail ?

You seem to enjoy the spotlight , since most people do not put their photos on their ebay listings ,

I hope you can admit this has gone too far and back off,

Peace

fountainhead says:

i would like to thank mangosauce.com for allowing people to use URLs in their posts.

one thing I always hated about Stick's website is that he'd reference a site like BKK chat or thailand friends, but never publish the URL, and i'd have to go searching for it. i wrote Stick about this and he
was kind enough to respond, bluntly but honestly: "Th omission of URLs is explained simply - I am trying to get some of these sites to advertise with me and do not want to give them free advertising."

but don't get me wrong, i loved stick's website.

i even enjoyed galt's website. however, galt has done a terrible thing here, and probably has silenced both Stick and himself (your headline for this topic, "Galt silences Stickman, while accurate, is probably an ego-booster for Galt).

as i said on pattayatalk.com:

pretty interesting, in a "i can't help but look at the car accident on the side of the road" kind of way.

i just don't see anything good coming out of this...

stick is probably cleaning up his site, reviewing every word he's ever written to make sure it won't come back and bite him. but it doesn't matter (and if it did, google has it cached anyway). the damage is
done, certain thais will be embarassed, and both Stick and Galt will have to live their lives constantly looking over their shoulders while in LOS, and therefore will likely leave.

i guess one option for Stick is to quit teaching and continue with his nightlife website, this time out in the open. but i can't see him being able to continue teaching in thailand.

as for Galt, he's personna non grata... if i were him i'd get the fuck outta LOS asap.

finally, i've used fountainhead and johngalt as my internet names in forums for 9 years now. please don't confuse me with galt, simply because we both like the same author. i'm not him, and i'll likely
stop using the johngalt alias now.

Red Ross says:

Can I assume that this is Galt then...?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=260044310677&category=35598

John Galt says:

You guys are way off course. You’re dreaming. The Galt is not going to jail for anything because the Galt follows the rules. The Thais would laugh at what I put up on the web site. You won’t understand until you get into their heads. (the banana part)

BTW - I looked over this "Keith / AsianCycle" guy. I don't think he is knocking down the girls like he says he is. This must not be the Galt.... But, maybe it is. Hum, maybe he had a hair transplant? If I’m going to take on this persona I sure hope he is as least good with the ladies in bed.

Bradley says:

Scroll down to the bottom to see the plastic injection mold machine.

http://www.notstickmanbangkok.com/Weekly2006/
RecommendationsAndReferrals.htm

Here is the same picture of the same plastic injection mold machine

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ninja-EX250-
Turn-Signals-Pod-Kit-CLEAR-Kawasaki-

Here is a picture of Kieth
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=260044310677

Is John Gault smart enough to place a picture of the plastic molding machine on his notstickmanbangkok site to misdirect his readers or is he dumb enough to leave a trail to his real identity?

Anonymous says:

All this taking pages down and changing them is silly - there are MANY archives out there including the ubiquitous google cache that make note of old versions of pages.

R Clifton says:

You see this type of expat spat all too often in LOS. I was never a fan of Stick and liked Gaults first postings. Now this. The typical dumb and meanspiritedness that permeates all too much of Thai Expatistan.

An old maxim states, ask yourself would I associate with an individual back in my own country? If no is the answer don't. It can be extended to websites as well. I can only hope that Gault or whatever his name is gets his large lump of excrement he has so richly earned.

Doug says:

Took a look at the school site. Not too hard to pick out Stickman (least educated of the lot). Considering where he works I have to believe he'll lose his job once they find out.

It makes no difference if he changes the content of his website, knowing that he was conducting "bargirl investigations" will no doubt end his employment at the school.

Confucius says:

Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

everyone knows l ain't a fan of BS'ing anti English tossers like stickman, and I for one will glady knock out his front teeth if ever he cuts across my path {its a micro world}

But at end of the day a "GRASS" is a "GRASS" no matter how you butter it up. And that makes sticky {even though he's a massive liar} the lessor of 2 evils.

"TAP TAP" is what we say to a Grass down Ulster way.

Thaxo.

No John Galt says:

Dear Subjects;

If you infidels were able to think for yourselves then it wouldn't be necessary to think for you! This is your fault!

Looking over my Kingdom all I can see are my moronic subjects being misled by the Great Stick Wizard Man. He turns your minds to mush with his "opinions" and your blindly follow him and I suspect you adore him as well. I THE GREAT NO JOHN GALT (aka Keith Summers) AM INSANELY JEALOUS OF THE GREAT STICK WIZARD MAN!!!

So, can you simple minded people see why I built my website now? Can you see how I had to find anyway to attack this "Stick Man" and try to make you like me instead?

Yes it's true, I have no self esteem and no talent. The only thing that makes me feel important and loved.. is to attack others and try to destroy them! I have no talent of my own so I suck like a fat leach to the great Wizard STICK MAN's site to compensate.

Do you know how many stupid subjects in my kingdom do a search for STICK MAN and find my site instead? Yep, nearly all of them. If these stupid subjects didn't click on me by accident, then I'd get no clicks at all! I'd be CLICKLESS IN Isaan..

Of course this is why I spend so much time trying to impress very young uneducated virgins, it makes me feel superiour to them when I steal their virginity! Man oh man, when I "outwit" a uneducatd Isaan virgin who isn't even old enough to drive a motorbike.. it makes me feel soooo goood! Do you know what I mean? Women with smarts don't like me, heck I even need to PAY THE VERY YOUNG UNEDUCATED VIRGINS TO HAVE SEX WITH ME, but the pay isn't important.. it's the conquest! It takes a REAL JOHN GALT MAN to nail an uneducated VERY YOUNG VIRGIN!

AND NO, it's not illegal to pay young virgins for sex! Remember, I'm not responsible for my actions! So please please do not put flyers up all over the places I'm known to go telling people it's illegal for me to pay for sex with underage girls! They need the money after all and you would only be hurting them.. Hey, if no one knows then no one gets hurt right? Boys too. Young boys are more expensive.. Michael Jackson would be so jealous of me!!! No flyers ok? THANK YOU, much appreciated.

ANd please.. Don't report me to the ebay folks for ripping you off.. and for breaking all their rules. AND PLEASE PLEASE don't buy some cheap thing just to give me negative feedback and ruin my sellers rating. My sellers rating is something I actually worked hard to build up, like Stick's reputation and website for instance.. So please don't hurt me there..

AND HEY, ya you! Yes you asked me nicely to take my crappy site down. But in my defense I'm too fucking stupid to listen. I'm too fucking stupid to realise how badly many soldiers from the GREAT STICK MAN WIZARD's ARMY can hurt me. He has soldiers deployed in Thailand, in America, NEAR MY FAMILY WHO HAVE NEVER READ MY SITE OR KNOW WHAT I SPEND ALL MY TIME DOING, and in other countries. STICK MAN WIZARD MAN is an imperialist!

Please, I'm just too fucking stupid to realise what I've done.

Until next time my loyal (and stupid) subjects.. I will continue to think for you and act in your behalf, but I bear no responsibility for my actions.. including deflowering young uneducated virgins (and boys).

Unsincerely Cheers (isn't CHEERS a place where everybody knows my name?)

NO JOHN GALT (aka Keith Summers)

Codejunkie says:

There's no doubt about John Galt's identity (Keith Summers). NotStickmanBangkok.com is hosted on the same server as AsianSignals.com. The hosting company is WebHost4Life.com, server location = San Pedro, California. Contact information at http://www.webhost4life.com/contactus.asp.
More to follow...

Chris in Singapore says:

"His dual role as teacher and lead whore monger was untenable. Stickman should have figured this out for himself." this is what I have been thinking for a while, too, before this thing even exploded. On one hand Stick is trying to 'distance' himself from the nightlife scene, and put on airs of professionalism ('the site is always up by Sunday 8 PM...' come on this is a site about prostitutes, not Citibank.com!), on the other hand, he does bargirl investigations and his readers submissions still have a healthy amount of sex contents. In this circumstance, Stick cannot realistically pretend to be offering highbrow cultural commentary, or to remove himself from what is written therein in any way. Unfortunately from him, most of his readership (and ad revenue) is generated by the naughty contents, so he has to have that in there in order to generate any $$$ to make the site worth his time.

By mixing workplace innuendo with heavy duty sex contents Stick appears to show that he is not really taking his job very seriously. In any country this was going to get him in trouble sooner or later. In his place, as soon as I got settled (married and pursuing some kind of professional career) and got over the initial Thailand shock, I would have kept two separate sites, one with legit stuff, Ask the Sticks, Working in Thailand, etc, and another one, completely and untraceably anonymous for the more racy stuff. With all due respect, if I was a Thai parent I would not be very happy to read Stickman as the handywork of a teacher of my kids.

The Skipper says:

I understand that one of those teachers has very infuential relatives with the Police Dept. Ooops.

notstickmantoo says:

Completed items list on ebay.
Is this income being reported Mr. Summers?
http://motors.search-completed.ebay.com/search/
search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&from=R10
&satitle=&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&fmmk=&
fmmd=&fylo=&fyhi=&mppfqy=&sadis=200&
fpos=93924&fis=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&
saprchi=&seller=1&sass=asiancycle&
fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&
copagenum=1&coentrypage=search

Justice for All says:

Stick provides a wonderful platform for information and opinion.Coming from the Uk,I've always checked his site for news,reader submissions and happenings.And,like others,I dont feel obliged to agree with everything or anything he writes.But I'm glad its there,glad its free,and I respect the man.He has answered my emails promptly and politely,and for that I thank him.

But for some wannabe insignificant balding opportunist like Summers to destroy this guys job,domicile and life is sick! Summers is nothing to me,just another business type operating out of a low-cost economy to line his pockets.But to gloat about taking away a mans livlihood is the lowest of the low.Its wrong,its nasty,and now its known.You arent John Galt,you are Keith Summers,nothing special,but now you have messed with a mans real life for your own perverse agenda.And you continue to make threats,even proud of what you are doing! Wake up to what you are doing,what you have become!You might be brave on your keyboard,a digital warrior,but do you really know where you have taken this stupid game of yours? Stop before its too late,Stick has many friends,and thousands of supporters who dont like what you are doing.

Summers,you will be reading this.Take your garbage site down,apologise to those you owe it too,and watch your back.Ive seen your picture,you are nothing,so wrapped up in your insignificant self-importance you cant even see the bigger picture.

Theres a time to hold 'em,and a time to fold 'em.

Nows the time to fold,little man.

Casual Observer says:

Did anyone notice the "cutting edge photograph" Keith has of the new airport on his web site in his 'Dangers of Under Exposure' piece? He makes the comment, "If I could read Thai I might be able to tell what the note inside the picture says ..."

Well, actually Keith, you couldn't. After five years in the country, not only can Keith not read Thai, he can't even recognise Thai. It's not Thai. Some of the characters are similar but backwards which makes me think the negative was upside down when the photo was developed. At least three characters are clearly not Thai. Maybe it's written in the Laos language?

Nonetheless, his appalling ignorance doesn't stop him from telling others 'this is how it is' in Thailand. Being an American, that figures.

His 'Lowering the Cost of Fun' piece is a classic. As we Brits might say, "Pass the sickbag, Alice."

hey there says:

i ask myself what is your evidence that this john galt is the same as the keith from the ebay nick asiancycle.

so i check the pictures on both webpages. you can extract information what kind of camera was in use and what kind of software to alternate the pictures. last one on both Adobe Photoshop CS Windows. for the camera for older pictures is was a 'sony cybershot' (you can extract even the File change date and time) but for the newer ones on ebay same as on galt site is is the camera: SONY DSC-F828.

so okay both of them using the same camera, could still be a coincidence.

but remember there are few pictures on the galt site where he is using some arrows to point out something specific.
like on this photo http://www.notstickmanbangkok.com/Weekly2006/
Suvarnabhumi/InternalLarge.jpg

an other case was nana parking lot with freelancers, ladyboys and baby elefant, remember?

now have a look on ebay this auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=260049243495

have here a look on the picture with that arrow http://www.asiansignals.com/ebayimages/
ShortStalk/ArrowMini/Chrome/SetScrewChrome.jpg

both using the same style arrow, but this is not all. there is an other photoshop trick you find on ebay same as galt page.

look at the galt logo
http://www.notstickmanbangkok.com/images/
JGT_Logo3.jpg

round shape corners and a small shadow behind, you will find this kind also on ebay like here http://www.asiancycle.com/AC/Signals/LED/
MidRange/Arrow/Chrome/Grommet2.jpg

i guess that is much more then a simple coincidence.
also these asiancycle keith was very quick aware where all the website traffic and refer was coming from. if you would be not involved you wouldn't take notice. but okay may someone send an email. but the style of picture change and the camera in use. i guess is galt is really the same as kieth from asiancycle.

for you can not handle the links and think they are broken are the pictures deleted just copy and paste the link and look on close the empty space where was some kind of line break or automatic word wrapping.

galt was also telling a story of stickman maybe was selling copy software or dvds. where he should have done that - yes on ebay. for me is highly likley that there is maybe one ebay seller bitching his other business rival

Mr Lucky says:

I still haven't heard from "Concerned For All", how he managed to link Galt with Summers. He posted this revelation then disappeared (or changed his name).

Now it seems accepted as fact and the swift reaction on the AsianBike site would seem to support it. This rumor has bled over onto other forums as well, but the only evidence I have seen is "Concerned For All says so."

logologo says:

Casual Observer wrote:
>"Did anyone notice the "cutting edge photograph" Keith has of the new airport on his web site in his 'Dangers of Under Exposure' piece? He makes the comment, "If I could read Thai I might be able to tell what the note inside the picture says ..."

its "bangkokbob.net" backwards just in some kind of lookalike thai latin letters
want do for yourself
http://www.weygandt.de/aw_siam.htm

is very fun, cause thai people even very good at english can not read it, i guess some barrier in the brain cause looks so thai but isn't. try it.

Concerned for all.. says:

Keith Summers is trying to pretend he's not John Galt in his juvenile posts here at Mango, but I assure you it is him.

His arrogance allows him to 'think' he can manipulate the readers into thinking its not him but this just shows how much of a moron he is.

Why doesn't he want you to know who he is, especially now that you know his ebay business? EBAY FEEDBACK? Hmm...

How would his little corner of the Thailand take to him if his site was translated to Thai and... use your imagination folks..

There are many reasons he doesn't want you to know for sure he's Keith Summers, and "breaking the rules" is the least of his problems in Thailand. Once his neighbours, employee's, and other Thai's in his life know what he thinks of them, banana girls, virgin exploits, etc, etc.. he's going to be out in the cold... if not laid up somewhere recovering.

Keith was given a chance to take his site down and behave like an adult. I'll extend that 12 more hours. If he does, then no harm no foul.. things will return to normal and he can go about his business as usual.

If not.. he must know by now he's not dealing with an amateur, nor someone without deep local resources. But then he is a moron so.. perhaps he'll have to learn the hard way. His choice..

Folks, this is bad for all farang in Thailand as I'm sure any halfway intelligent person knows. When you have a "bad farang" that threatens to spoil the show for the rest of us.. no matter his motivations or beliefs in right vs. wrong.. then it must be removed from the basket.

I'm truly concerned for all.. action must be taken soon.

Mr Lucky says:

OK, the forum grew since I wrote my last bit. The evidence for the Summers/Galt link now seems compelling. Whatever....tell the guy riding pillion to off them both just to make sure...

ajarn farang says:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Casual Observer says:

Thanks for pointing that out logologo - now I see it so I guess I was fooled as well but for different reasons! I homed in on the reversed Thai characters อ ท ง ล - something I suspect Keith isn't capable of doing as he just assumed the 'strange' characters he didn't recognise were Thai.

The general message coming through from the postings here is that he is seriously out of line for what he has done.

Stick has been playing a dangerous game for a long time though trying to mix respectability with mongering as a means to generate money. The posting from Chris in Singapore summed it up perfectly. What next for the pair of them?

Big Bob says:

Personaly i think we should all be thanking Keith Summers for getting rid of the Stick, now we just need someone to get rid of Summers and Thailand is a much better place.

sleep with one eye open says:

First we can all use the ebay feedback and ruin this guys business.

Then we can keep an eye out in future for any sites selling this motorbike stuff and make sure those too fail.

Whilst many of us are not stick fans, i'm sure we all agree that scum like this should be removed from the gene pool.

The readership of stickman bangkok is huge, so too is mango sauce.

We have to get this guys picture out everywhere.

We can start by each printing out one or two sheets with his picture on, and an explanation of what he has done to all all farangs living here. Then we can take those out with us and stick them in the toilets of a bar frequented by expats.

Lets get this out to those that don't have internet. lets also do some copies in Thai.

No one likes a grass, and a grass always gets whats coming to him.

This twat needs to be driven out of Thailand!

Codejunkie says:

Again, there's NO DOUBT about Galt's identity. It is unmistakenly Keith Summers. For one thing, all his websites including AsianSignals.com and NotStickManBangkok.com are hosted on the same server in California. THIS IS A FACT PEOPLE (Read my previous post). There's too many traces of him on the internet that links everything together and the evidence is piling up. The case is being investigated as we speak.
If you want to contact NotStickManBangkok.com's hosting company you can do so at http://www.webhost4life.com/contactus.asp

Derukugi says:

I understand PayPal is pretty quick to block accounts, and slow to re-open them.
Since Keith Summers does a lot business via PayPal, it seems he is out on a thin limb there with his business model.

fountainhead says:

Galt had an axe to grind with Stick. he did it, and one method was to attack Stick's livelihood (i think Stick will get fired if/when his boss and/or work colleagues discover johngaltthailand.com and that the farang amongst them is "the" Stickman).

So now some readers here have axes to grind with Galt, and the method they're proposing is to ruin his business?

and how does that make you any different than what you're claiming is very bad?

i don't know either guy from a whole in the ground. it appears that Galt has behaved as a major cocksucker, but things aren't always what they appear, ESPECIALLY on the internet. i'll be staying out of this, thank you.

i suspect the people who choose to get involved will do so because they know one of the parties personally, and i suspect the person making implied threats to Galt here in this forum is a close friend of Stick (just a hunch) and he's really no better than Galt.

Graf says:

I love the way that guys tend to talk so big on the internet. I believe it was "Concerned for all" that posted a comment about giving John Galt 12 hours to take his site down or else. I say whatever man. I'm sure that in 12 hours... hell, lets make it 12 days, 6 months, 1 year even... that nothing is going to happen to John Galt.

I mean really, who in their right mind is going on some "wild goose hunt" to whatever province Galt lives in to try and do any sort of harm to him. Or for that matter, think for one second that the authorities in the part of Thailand he lives would even care. He obviously doesn't live anywhere near BKK, becaues he had to fly to visit there recently.

Just because someone might be "well connected" in Bangkok or Pattaya, doesn't mean that they are well connected anywhere else in Thailand.

Why stick up for Stickman? Do you think that Stickman would stick up for you? I don't completely agree with what Galt did. However, I just can't feel all that much sympothy for Stickman. Nobody forced him suspend his website. That was his choice.

Stick fan says:

Now that his pic has been posted in other forums...I think he might get a smack (or 2) in the mouth if he is recognised in the street.
I suggest u (summers) keep a very low profile until this has cooled off.

I have always thought salesmen are the lowest of the low...and summers has proved it.

ThaidUp says:

Given John's Galt own physical description off of his website. I think the picture is a match.

"To put this in perspective just a little. I'm middle age. Soon, I'll be 44. I'm certainly old enough to be these girls' father. I exercise regularly and I'm very trim and fit for my age. Generally, I have a young looking face. My face is a cross between Bruce Willis and Dana Carvey. I'm lucky, it's a good face. My hair is thinning and its about 50% grey (when its not died back to brown). "

Derukugi says:

Fountainhead,
I don`t know either of them, but surely you see the difference between a host and a parasite?
Stick minded his own business, and Galt made it his business (and almost obsession) to attack Stick.
That is not the same in my book.

Codejunkie says:

People who want to contact WebHost4Life.com (NotStickmanBangkok's hosting provider) might also direct their attention to "Uni Marketing Alliance, Inc.(UMA)", the company behind WebHost4Life.
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If an account is used unlawfully or is in violation of the user policy, UMA reserves the right to terminate the account without notice and without refunds. Files that violate the user policy are subject to deletion without notice. Clients violating the user policy will be held responsible for damages to UMA, including but not limited to, UMA's systems, servers, connectivity, reputation, business, service, network, operations, or equipment.
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I'm a simple programmer and a former Bangkok ex-pat. I've lived in BKK longer than both of these smucks (Summers & Stick) combined. I never cared for Stickman's nor NotStickman's site, but posting pictures of innocent people on a web site and then lying about it is just not done and reserved for low-lifes.

fountainhead says:

Derukugi said: "Fountainhead,
I don`t know either of them, but surely you see the difference between a host and a parasite?
Stick minded his own business, and Galt made it his business (and almost obsession) to attack Stick.
That is not the same in my book."

maybe i wasn't clear in what i said.

i completely agree with you. to my knowledge, Stick did nothing to deserve this level of personal attack (nor did his boss or co-workers), and Galt's attack was unprovoked (i could be wrong... i don't know) and over-the-line.

i was equating Galt to the seemingly random people here on MangoSauce making implied (or overt) threats towards him -- if they carry out those threats, they're no better than he: attacking a guy's livelihood, allegedly to defend a friend.

i apologize if i wasn't clear.

hugh jarse says:

Well,well,welll.
I have always enjoyed sticks submissions,particularly cent and dana.
But there have also been many other fine contributers.
Why galt is such an arsehole is a mystery.
PS-is graf also galt?

sleep with one eye open says:

Reap what you sow.......

John Galt AKA Keith Summers went out of his way to ruin stick's rice bowl.

I think it quite fair that for doing so in such an underhand way he himself deserves to lose his 'Rice Bowl'.

Ever heard the phrase....

an eye for an eye?

philH says:

"You got 12 hours to get out of town ya varmint then me an' the boys are coming for yer".

Is Mango Sauce now to be renamed OK Corral?

I don't particularly like either Stickman or Galt, both of their writings are tedious. At least Stickman gave out information that could be deemed useful to some. If I was Galt I think I might restrict my next naughty nightlife soiree to somewhere like Slough.

I agree with the majority here that posting pics of innocent bystanders was a dumb low life thing to do and he hasn't even had the decency to close the post down. That says it all about the guy.

Jack Wow says:

All this talk about Stickman v Summers, surely there's a more pressing question right now. What I would like to know is - where the fuck is Dicer?

Meaty says:

This was keith Summers mobile as advertised on his Asian Signals site, causing him to change his number will be a huge piss off for his business
(66) 09 541 8274

John Galt says:

Dear Mr Concerned for All,

I have a question for you. I have been considering posting myself and Stickman up together on my site front and center stage. I would add brief biographies of matching length to each person as I know them. Would that be a fair thing to do? Do you think Stickman would find that agreeable? What’s fair for one should be fair for both? I got the balls for it. Does Stickman? Once we are out, we are out. Now is a good time to speak up. I have a pretty substantial part of the readership coming to see me now. Stickman better step down from his high horse and take this seriously. This can go several ways. Without his input I'll make the decision on my own. And if all of you boys want to come visit me, then all I can say is someone should be picking up the tab for lunch because I don't frequently drink beer.

bob says:

surely this is a fake post ,or JG has a death wish?

Realist says:

I read all 3 sites. Stick, !Stick, and Mangosauce. I have no opinion one way or the other on this feud, however, let me be the point of reason.

I have no idea who those pictures are, nor do I have hours and hours as some people do to try and figure it out. From an unattached perspective, Stick posted a story, !Stick made some comments and posted a few pictures. Jope. 99.999% of the readers (including myself) have no clue who those people are.

I think people who are getting all over !Stick and calling him names need to get a life. Did he do anything wrong? Not really. He didn't identify Stick. Unless you are Stick or his minions !Stick's story gave no information.

Now, on the other hand, (the point of this comment), there was defintely one a-hole in these comments who went around posting names . *THAT* was very uncool. Care to post Stick's name also to even the score?

I for one can't understand why this is even an issue. I like all 3 sites. I hope the status quo returns soon.
`

Indeed says:

Galt's removed the photo of Stick's boss and the text stating that she passed students regardless of their under-achievements.

And Justice for all says:

Keith. Your world is crashing around you as you write these things. Let me put this scenerio to you.

Your server company is in the process of shutting down your sites after innumerable complaints from people all over the world about the content. ebay has launched an investigation into your listings, most of the people you supply your products to as a wholesaler in the states have been made aware of your alter ego's web site and you demeaning and derogatory treatment of women on it and the Thai Authorities are aware of the Galt site and your connection to it. Translations of you site into Thai have been started and will be distributed to relevant and pertinent authorities and influencial parties within Thailand, and in particular in your home provence, in the next 48 hours. Many, many people both farang and Thai know where you live, what you business is and what you look like. Your attempt to enter the LED display market in Thailands bar industry is being completely stifled and effectively shutdown by a concerned but very influencial group of Thai Entertainment Industry heavyweights.

I am incredulous that you cant understand that your beef isnt just with Stickman anymore. When you stepped over the line and brought those images of innocent Thai women onto your site you awoke a sleeping giant amongst the farang and overseas internet community and have galvanised people from all over the world and many backgrounds and callings to rise up and put a stop to this madness that you have started.

Cant you just see that it is over Keith? Now is the time to fold and go away and get that professional help that you so badly need. This thing wont end for you now even with the demise of Stickman. Just do it for the sake of those innocent women Keith before it is too late.

Indeed says:

And this....

"(I removed a very short reference to Stick's workplace here)"

And you say you have balls?

Concerned for all.. says:

Dear Mr. Dickhead (aka Keith Summers);

(since we're being polite and all)

What you do with Stick is your own business, post the pictures if you want as the guy doesn't even know me and I don't know him. However, doing so will only seal your fate.

My concern is for all. What you're doing is bad for us all. You were asked nicely via email to shut down your site before your name was outed here at the Mango and you dug in your heels. Ok, more fun for me.

No one knows me, but I know all of you. Advantage mine. I've spent a lifetime operating without being seen. Again, advantage mine. I'm very good at what I do. Advantage all mine.

Thailand is my home and the home of my friends and you sir are defecating on my floor. Against my better judgment I've once again asked nicely.

Tick tock motherfucker.

Concerned for all.. says:

Dear Mr. Dickhead (aka Keith Summers)

If you do as politely requested, you have my personal word everything stops here. Everything, everybody. Not only do you have my word, but my guarantee and protection.

Concerned for all..

Anonymous says:

Concerned...You sound like a serial killer...now I am concerned :(

VeryBloodyAnnoyed says:

Thankyou John Galt - for nothing. When I am back in New Zealand on a cold, raining Sunday night and wishing to be back in Thailand, the one thing I (and many others no doubt) do look forward to that evening is getting a little slice of it by reading Stickman's weekly column. And his site has more than that, there is some very useful stuff there for beginners to Thailand too. So p*ss off, you damn a**hole, and keep your petty feuds to yourself.

cman says:

Keith Summers (John Galt) seems to have a massive self-esteem defiiency. He notes several times (above and on his site) that Stickman hasn't taken him seriously. The boy just wants some respect! He has written that he started his site to get payback for Stick slighting his friend's business. It is reasonable to assume from his site that the business is the Pattaya bar, Boesche.

So,Keithie-boy's aim to garner respect from his friend, the owner of Boesche (whom I'm willing to propose has no actual hand in this). Has it worked Keith? Got that respect? Or do you find that your 'friends' stand at a distance with their backs against the wall?

And what's this about posting bios? Erm, a bit of red herring anyone? "What's fair for one should be fair for both"? Hello?

incredible says:

John Galt (aka Keith Summers) just how stupid are you?

You post doctored photos of thai women staff who work with Stickman, who have nothing to do with your one sided fued, and are then suprised at the venom being directed out towards you?

At the moment you are lucky as it's only the falangs who are making their feelings known to you via cyberspace.

Just wait until the relatives of those young women who you've embarassed find out who you are and where you live.

You didn't know this? And you are supposed to give us advice on Thai - falang relationships?

What a wanker.

Drivespline says:

Really? A serial killer? Ha, ha! Sounds more like a pussy to me. OOOHH! Scary secret agent man! The poison pen! ouchy! Too big!

I've had the unfortunate pleasure of being around some really bad people, ..... you aint one of em. you talk to much.

Come on! You da man! Walk right up to your intended and smack him around. Isn't this site just loaded with hand wringers? Blow me.

If you had real balls you'd take on the ole sow back in Blighty.

I have the real feeling that if I saw you I'd laugh.

Tom says:

For f-ck's suck.

"I want my publishing to be informative and helpful and I decided that this piece wasn't closely enough in line with that goal."

It's neither informative nor helpful. It's pathetic. So you f-cked a virgin. Big deal. You have to pay more to laid than you did last year. Oh wow, how insightful. And you hate Stick. Well, why should we care?

John Galt says:

Dear Mr Concerned for all, Justice for all, (Mr Stickman?)

I gave you a nice even up chance to get civil and you're ignoring it. You're starting is scream like a little girl. (head shake).

There are no galvinized organized farangs around the world that give a rat's ass about me or you. They only care about reading the web. If you're not up and running, then someone else is. It's much like this in Thailand as well. Thais don't want to hear about farang conflicts and they don't care. Over a BLOG? Shit, they'll laugh at you. You know this, but the truth doesn't serve your purposes. I'm almost bored of your rhetoric and so is the public. I think going public with both my and your information will set records straight and deflate your chasing. The public respects those are have the balls to stand by their position and be counted. I'm ready to stand by my position. I think I'll let readers take a vote this coming week on whether or not I should do this. I have a question for you, why don't you just get out of the teaching profession and run a normal legal business? It can be done you know. Bangkokpost is legal, PattayaMail is legal. Why not StickmanBangkok.com? I think you're screwing everything up for yourself. I'm throwing you a bone here but I think you're going to piss the opportunity away. Ok, you're afraid to quit your day job. I'm probably doing you a favor by giving you a push.

The more angry you get the more I know I've gotten to you. I want people to know who I am. Do you really think that I would have started all this without eventually revealing myself? I put bread crumbs out there for you on my site. Hell, you're practically playing into my hands. You're nothing if not predictable. You're a man off balance and burned by the very media that you have used to burn others. How does it feel being on the receiving end?

And Justice for all says:

Hi Keith,

I have some bad news for you. I am not Stickman, nor am I any of the other people you refer to. I am sure that the mod will confirm that for you if you ask.

You really need to get some help Keith.

And Justice for all says:

Were you like this with your first wife too Keith ? Controlling, domineering, had to be in charge ? She didnt understand that you are always right did she ?

I will say it again Keith. You need professional help.

Dean Barrett says:

Several weeks ago I read about Galt's site on Baron Bonk and thought it looked like a bit of fun that might last a week or two and mentioned it in my own column. I was in the States until recently but yesterday several people called me to take a look at Galt's site again. The site, which in my opinion had started off as harmless fun had transformed over a several-week period into pages of vindictive hatred spewed forth by a psychopath spiraling out of control. I am appalled at the ugly and thoughtless way Galt (Keith Summers) dragged students into this and his excuses for attempting to damage Stickman are hollow, frivolous, self-serving, and in the end, unadulterated bullshit. And all the while, while on the attack, he wasn't even using his real name. Whatever one thinks of Stickman's column, I honestly don't understand how anyone can defend a man with so little decency as Keith Summers.

Sunglasses Ron says:

What the hell happened to Bangkok Phil and his bangkokmouth.com site?

Was he another victim of an internet stalker?

marklatham says:

Just googled stickman looking the photo of the kiwi prick,he is right up there but the photos have gone.
then I googled keith summers-aha,jackpot an obituary....
No,this was a dead pommie folk musician.
I tried john galt..aha.
He was a character in ayn rand novel,I'm old I've read it.
But this chap shit stirring in bangkok-nothing on google.
Who does he think that he is?
Stickman?

Davie Dodds says:

Well John Gault, Sticky gives a bad review and you decide to stalk him and stir up shit?

Guess what dipshit, a lot of the reviews arent written by him but by the public, sometimes he goes in and checks it out as well, sometimes he doesnt and reprints the review.

So Stick isnt totally squeaky clean, well blow me down with a tissue. There are very few people that ARE in thailand. So what if he tries to get a bit of extra money?

You may think you are being clever by doing this, but all you are doing is opening the door on folk thai and farrang to come after YOU! Is that what you really want?

You had better pray none of those teachers have relatives in high places!!

A Thai female says:

Why, all of a sudden, can Galt spell?!?

Geoff says:

This is getting more funny as the temperatures rise. I am amazed at how spun up this issue gets people.
I am sure that John Galt, as he tosses out his taunts, gets a kick out of imagining the legions of men sitting in dark corners of thailand internet cafe, faces getting red, steam coming out of their ears, deluding themselves into thinking they are actually part of some thai mafia action movie, with the power to call upon powerful politicians and motorcycle riding assassins to mete out retribution for John's cyber-wrongs. Maybe his website did go a little too far, but now he is just having you on, as you have all become part of the joke.

OJ says:

Surely our mr. Galt must remember the movie "Fatal Attraction"? Its about Glen Close getting dumped by Michael Douglas and then starts a rampage of revenge. No such thing like a woman scorned eh Galt?

So what exactly did the old Stick ever do to you then? Didnt wanna kiss?

notstickmanbangok.com was a laugh when i first saw it. A good joke i thought. But later when i realized how serious you took it i understood that you have a real problem!

Ever seen those tabloid stories about this and that celebrity having restraining orders made against sick stalkers? Well buddy, you are one of these stalkers now!

You should put a stop to this now!

And if not maybe we could all convince you to start "notbarbarastreisand" instead... much more fun and right up your alley!

concerned barladie fan says:

ouch...barladies.com is down now...hope it's not friendly fire

And justice for all says:

Keith Summers is suffering from a mental disorder of a type that is causing him to rapidly leave the real world and enter his delusional world as his alter ego John Galt. More and more Keith is being dominated by Galt and eventually Keith will be completely overwhelmed by this Galt personality.This is apparent if you view his writings on the website over the previous 10 weeks.

In this delusional world Galt is all powerful, omnipresent and is in complete control and command. Quite the opposite to what Keith Summers believes is the case in his life. It will help the situation immensely if people were to talk to Keith Summers on here instead of Galt and address him by his correct name which is Keith. Deep down Keith is a good man, it is just that he needs some professional help to overcome this Galt persona that lurks within him. I am sure that many of us would like to see that being the outcome of this sorry state of affairs.

bkkred says:

Oh..just a quick question
Mr Galt,
When you've finished with the 'virgins' do you bury them in the woods or put them through the wood chipper first?
Best regards,
Unsure of Bangkok.

(Brought on by the dreamy messianic tone of the j galt mails.'You are not taking me seriously...but you will...oh yes you will!'probably followed by crazed laughter.

Idontlikebullies says:

[Galt's removed the photo of Stick's boss and the text stating that she passed students regardless of their under-achievements].

Not before I made a Pdf copy and sent it to ict.cyberclean.org, he didn't.
----------------------------------------

THERE IS AN IMPORTANT POINT HERE

WHO IS JOHN GALT THAT HE SHOULD BE THE POLICEMAN OF WHAT IS AND IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THAILAND?

Today he bites Stick, tomorrow it could be anyone of us.

He is a public manace.

Geranium says:

Yep,its gone beyond a joke.

Summers is trying to destroy a mans job,his family and his peace.

And that is unforgivable.

Summers dreams that all this is hot air.Well,maybe some of it is...but if a few people like myself see this going on,and we dont like it one bit,we can do something,however far away from the source we might be....

Taking away a mans job is inexcusable and unforgivable.

Summers,there will be consequences,you arrogant toerag.What goes around comes around.

Sheriff-Bkk says:

Two sketchy, self-important jackasses for whom the chickens are finally coming home to roost.

Wonder who's next...

Derukugi says:

Dean Barret:
"The site, which in my opinion had started off as harmless fun had transformed over a several-week period into pages of vindictive hatred spewed forth by a psychopath spiraling out of control."

Exactly how I feel.

John Galt:
How about a simply apology, instead of more rants? It will probably be accepted, and life goes on.

gripper says:

Stickman will obviously lose his teaching job over this smear campaign but what about his ex-boss?
Galt has removed the offending article but what is done is done and it looks like it's gonna be a cold Winter for 'Summer'

woo hoo says:

Think it's too late for all that.

I think both will have to leave Thailand.

Trink says:

I pity the fool who thinks he can trample another man and expect to live to tell the tale. Ive contacted Stick, and have offered arrangements to have Gault roughed up to say the very least. The simple fact is that many people in Thailand, myself included, could pick up the phone and have Gault taken care of if we saw it fit. That is the type of power some of us have here in Thailand.

Watch your back,

Trink

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

Things are really bad when Dicer can't even get a word in edgeways here.

Makes you realise what a complete tosser that Stickman really is when you scroll up above and read what Shite his ass licking moronic fan base write.

Actually gives you an idea of how sickenly stupid stickys site and his sheep followers are.

Still great little boxes though.

Thaxo.

Concerned for all.. says:

Tick Tock..

Moron -

I've always known who you are, bread crumbs aren't necessary. Besides, everyone already knows who you are and what you look like, because I told them.

You've had my attention for some time.. I know more about you than..

Your worries are not in who knows your name, but you know that.. you're just not smart enough to know that I know it.. But worries you have indeed you do.

Something is about to be set in motion..

Tick tock..

Geranium says:

Well well.....just seen Summers business products by Google-ing "Asiansignals.com" (eBay id Keithinasia)...now,wouldnt it be wrong to get involved in dissing his products and practices on the forums listed?? Want to be hurt in the wallet Keith? Think I'm joking??

Er..no,it wouldnt be wrong...because this lunatic is hurting others without care or caution,and deserves everything thats coming to him.

This could go on and on Summers...if you hurt the income of someone with your indecent campaign,expect it back in spades.

whippet says:

Whilst all this drivel is certainly very entertaining, I wonder what ratio of posts David is having to delete right now compared to those he allows through? Of course if anyone did get ever harmed through all this, where would that leave David and the other live-and-let-live bloggers in Thailand?

camuschula says:

The thing I have noticed here is that the Stickman defenders or John Galt haters are just as crazy and spiteful as John Galt. Two wrongs don't make a right.

And this I don't get it: John Galt exposes Stickman and his place of work to the public, which isn't really a crime or a big deal, just kind of a dickhead thing to do, yet all the Stickman sycophants go on a hate filled tirade against John Galt--exposing him more than Stickman was exposed-- when they have absolutely nothing to do with the drama at hand. Isn't Stickman a grown man? Can't he take care of himself without all the Bangkok psychopaths getting unhinged?

Jesus, you'd think Stickman was Hitler and all his followers on this board were the SS.

I can understand having some loyalty to Stickman, but the fanaticism is a little too much and getting ridiculous.

Saeb says:

Now, now this is getting a bit excitable.

Firstly, to the posters who are all wishing death, blood and mayhem to Mr Galt - when you make a threat it is known thus your enemy knows it and you are defeated already.

And I say this in particular regard to the person who knows all sorts of influential and important people and who is going to get Mr Gald 'fixed'.

Said person is a clown and seems to know nothing about how it works here:
Ain't that easy mate - really.

Now, I work in an industry here and for 14 years and it is a bit heavy sometimes and I have serious, vicious arguments with Thais on all levels, but only 3 times have people threatened to see me off.

A couple of days a bit of dinner (which I never pay for - I feel in the right you see) and normality is resumed.

The clowns who suggest retribution should perhaps look more at their own life and have a good look in the mirror in the morning.

Whilst Stick has had to take his site off at the moment, many, many people enjoyed it and some of the contributions were excellent and worthy of inclusion to any travel book and indeed life experience.
For that we can give him his due.

Now - here is the crunch: The death threat merchants here are a right laugh.
What tossers - do you all drink in the Dog's Bollocks I wonder?.
Try me baby - heh-heh.

Let Mr Galt and Mr Stick sort this out themselves ; good idea naa jaa.
Forget it, it is getting too stupid now.

stick.rules says:

"Concerned" please do us all a favor and take care of the business at hand as quickly as possible.

Let's get Stick back up and running, at least his site is entertaining. There's absolutely nothing of value in Galt's site.

Sure Stick has his moments in his weekly postings but so what, it is his site, if you don't like it then don't read it, simple. His "weekly" isn't nearly the bulk of his site and many of the reader contributions are entertaining and sometimes even a little informative.

"LET'S GET HIM!!"

crapper says:

Thako...how would you like to lose ur bread n butter job because of some moron posting personal details of your "bus route and conductor colleagues"?

This is not about the content of stick's site...it's about wankers like you who want to harm people because of pure jealousy.

Graf says:

Bunch of tough talkers on here. I agree 100% with GEOFF's comments.
It's real easy to make people think you ACTUALLY will do something to Galt/Summers, when sitting behind a keyboard. Who here actually believes any of that crap? I'm absolutly sure "that nobody here is even close to being "well connected" enough in Thailand, to have anything happen to the man.

Here's what TRINK said .... "The simple fact is that many people in Thailand, myself included, could pick up the phone and have Gault taken care of if we saw it fit".

Oooohhh... big scary tough guy!! It's not a matter of whether you see fit to do anything. You don't have the power or the resources. Niether does anyone on this forum.

Jack Wow says:

MS, although it gets 100000 hits a month, doesn't usually get this many posts in one day from one article. So there's obviously a lot of Stickman fans coming here to vent their anger and threats.
Summers has stood up and revealed he's John Galt, so it would now be entertaining if Stickman joined this topic/feud/cyber-brawl (call it what you want) here on MS?
I know it's really none of my business, but I haven't been this enthralled in a soap-opera since the days I wore my "Who shot JR?" t-shirt.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

crapper da cretin,
it is about the content of his site.
And if you only cared to scroll up before being a totally deaf ignoranus, you'd have noticed my post on what l think of a "Grass"{Galt}

bud bud ding ding tickets plsssssss !!!!

Thaxo.

Tony says:

This psycho Galt is running a Pay per Click campaign on Google right now. Head on over, click on the ad and hit him in his pocket.

Slow Learner says:

There are actually two domain names - www.johngaltthailand.com and www.notstickmanbangkok.com.

Both were registered under a false name and both point to the same defamatory content.

Here is a link for requesing that action be taken to shut down these sites:

https://secure.registerapi.com/services/
complaint/complaint.php?siteid=37545

I would suggest that you post a compaint noting the false registration, defamatory and inappropriate content.

Please note that it takes a few weeks for these complaints to be processed.

Stick has now lost several days of advertising revenue, so he now has a legal case in Thailand, both civil and criminal as he can demonstrate damages. If he loses his job, then that only adds to the case.

Although I am no fan of criminal libel laws, they do have the advantage that the state picks up the tab for pursuing the case. A copy of the posting on sex with virgins in Thailand will lose any sympathy that "Galt" might hope for from either the police prosecutor or the presiding judge. I suspect posting the pictures of Stick's colleagues and a cached copy of the page defaming another school official (who may not even be the one purportedly referred to, but is the one pictured on his site) also opens him up to similar penalties from the woman whose picture was posted on his site, and she is Thai.

Should Stick have employment problems as a result of this, I hope that he does hire a Thai attorney to pursue a case against "Galt" even if that is merely to have him or her pursue having criminal charges laid, rather than getting involved in a legal battle himself. Certainly if he feels his economic suffering results in having to return to NZ to work, then this would be appropriate.

In a fit of pique, I took it upon myself to file a complaint with the Minister for the MICT in Thailand. I now regret that as I do not want to draw attention to Stick. Nevertheless, "Galt" has already done that.

It is tempting to agree with those who suggest a guerilla marketing campaign (posters distributed in his home town there, but the effects are too unpredictable as for younger male Thais such reactions might well be violent and might involve someone who only resembled him! So this is too risky.

Faked submissions to damage his e-Bay rating are also not preferred. It would be easy to get this corrected. Perhaps comments in reviews on that site about his character might be more effective. As long as you tell the truth, then it is not defamation. Still, that is stooping to his level.

Peronally, I think filing complaints about the website and having it shut down is the best way to go. That is what I have done and, I suspect, if enough others do the same it will be gone in a few weeks.

Some may say he will just get another domain. If so, Stick, the injured party in a legal sense (though these things injure us all), would have any even stronger case if he chose to pursue it.

Whatever happens as a result of this, I hope that the repurcussions for "Galt" exceed those for Stick. His is a pety, vindictive, juvenile game that seeks only to harm.

Fair And Balanced says:

Let's review the facts, shall we?

Stickman commited...

[Libellous allegation removed - David]

Yep, the man's a role-model.

Through his website which he runs without a work permit, he earns an income which he doesn't does not declare and on which he does not pay taxes.

[He probably DOES pay US withholding tax on his ad income and various international treaties exist to prevent double taxation - David]

Yep, he's a hero.

He also runs an investigation service for which he holds no work permit and on which he also pays no taxes.

Yep, the kind of man you have to stand up and defend.

(If you're an amoral mouth-breathing intellectual light-weight who couldn't think his way out of a damp paper bag.)

I met Stickman a few times some number of years ago. He was an egotistical, condescending prick then and I imagine he's even more insufferable now.

John Galt (Keith Summers), whatever his flaws, has brilliantly greased the axel of the wheel of karma.

Does Stickman deserve to lose his teaching job now? Probably. I don't think the school administrators or the parents of the students want a criminal teaching those kids.

And it is very likely that his employment contract has a morals clause and the teachers are given a code of personal conduct which they are expected to follow.

What is certain is this: Stickman didn't care about playing by the rules and he got taken taken down mostly by his ego and by his belief that he could play both sides and have it all his own way.

Thailand, his school and the internet will all be better off without his smug duplicity.

There is no such thing as "money on the side" and if you want to work in Thailand you better get the proper work permit and pay your taxes like everyone else.

I hope this is taken as a cautionary tale by David and by the other Thai-based operators of revenue-generating cloumns, blogs and forums.

Tim, Marcel, Andy and the rest, I hope you're listening. This is just the kind of cause some Thai civil-servant would love to pounce on to advance his career.

Tony says:

While I agree with much of what Slow Learner writes I would go futher and would advocate setting up a Keith Summers website that details the products he sells and the type of hateful, spiteful character he is. His potential customers have the right to know that they are dealing with a psycho and then they can make a judgement on whether to buy his cycle and LED pieces equipment. As his name and company name gets more exposure on the search engines, I expect that soon there will be some brand new injection-molding equipment up for sale on ebay. Hit him in the pocket NOT in the face.

dannyboy says:

obviously he's not bothered what trouble he causes , he's at it again with a new message on his site saying coming this thursday a nice follow up to the banana girl topic.

surely he is just shooting his mouth off now ?

its not just trouble for stick, it's the fallout of what could happen to lot's of farang teachers in BKK if the authorities get involved.

Mr Summers this has gone beyond a joke and you are in danger of not just fcuking with stick's income but with alot of other people's too.

Is this tirade of hatred against stick really worth hurting other people too?

I honestly would'nt be in your shoes for anything if that happens.

I hope you hav'nt got any plans to go back to Pattaya or Bangkok soon

TANAI KWAI says:

"I hope this is taken as a cautionary tale by David and by the other Thai-based operators of revenue-generating cloumns, blogs and forums."

Yes, "Fair and Balanced," I certainly hope so. This business of collecting a few bucks every month through a Thai-based web column represents the crime of the century in my book. Move over, Stalin.

God almighty. What a bunch of fucking busybodies.

John Galt says:

Comments from Stick and friends are very amusing.

I have a very finely tuned bull-shit meter and so far there isn't much you guys of said that is substantive.

My exposure of a farang working in a highly respected English teaching position who has organized a group of people to help participate in his racketeering efforts will only be praised by the Thai authorities. Will they believe me? I think they will, especially if the information about being in trouble with the law previously is true(still doing verification on that story). The media could have field day with this.

Anyhow, tune in again this Thursday for a follow up to The Banana Girl. We'll roast that marsh-mellow again. I think you'll find it informative and interesting.

BTW - Stick is free to put his site back up anytime. I'm not stopping him.

The longer he waits the more guilty he looks.

I guess this is his Osama routine where he inspires other to do his bidding while he hides out. This is a Stickman ploy; he doesn't have to take any responsibility for anything he said if he's not talking. That is why we haven't heard from him directly. This is what kind of guy he is. This is exactly the reason why we are here. He is not a stand up guy. He is a coward and a trickster and a discredit to foreigners in the Kingdom.

Hey, I just noticed something. I think my grammar and spelling is getting better -- Wow!

Saddened Farang says:

This whole affair is really sad. I feel sorry for those Thai teachers who were wrongly disgraced on Galt's web site. That kind of slander is a very serious offence in Thailand. The whole country loses face. When you disgrace the country, you disgrace the man at the top and Thai authorities will give you twenty years for that.

Slow Learner says:

"Galt"

So far, the only one who has done anything defamatory on the web is you. By posting the picture of the Thai woman and saying that someone else implied that she "cheated", you have actually identified and potentially defamed her.

Do not assume that if you have problems because of all this that they will happen quickly. Such things take time. This is not a threat, just a cautionary statement.

You have no idea who you have or have not upset outside of the blog sites like this one. I actually did piss off a Thai-Chinese man once and he did actually seek to have me killed. It was one of those "oops" experiences, but it certainly led me to be more cautious in my subsequent endeavors in Thailand.

Caution is never a bad thing over there. There is no safety net for Farang. Your embassy will not send the cavalry and your friends may watch their own backs more zealously than yours.

Why cause yourself potential problems over a grudge? Can you not see from all of these postings, here and elsewhere, that few think you are doing them any kind of service? Most of those who support your view, and there are some, also do not really care about "winners" or "losers." They are only in it for the show.

Sure, maybe you can damage Stick. But, maybe you damage yourself as well.

Silly, at best.

bob says:

hey Galtman why bother posting further rubbish on thursday ,because nobody will be reading your tiresome drivel.so why not save yourself the trouble?
you will be talking to yourself .

KoolKing says:

There needs to be a scorecard for this battle. Since Galt's site has been up and running since the confrontation, I think we should now score this as

Galt 3 Stickman 0

I would have said 4 to 0 but am deducting one point for Galt's removing the pic of the now famous older Thai teacher.

My prediction is that Galt wins.

I do like reading the reader submissions on Stick's site though. I won't miss them all, especially the long-running series type ones, very boring. I would like to see more "Korski" type submissions and I have to admit liking Chiang Mai Kelly's tales but think he should change his name if he doesn't live there anymore.

JB says:

The fight between these two adresses an important sideissue: While Indians, chinese and other nationalities are for example able to acquire in some cases the thai nationality and some of them own entire streets or parts of the city. From a simple point of view they are partly able to do this because they work together.
During my visits in LOS I noticed many times a unhealthy and unneccarry competition between small farang businesses (bars, guesthouses etc). I'm sure that there is a lot of retired farang talent to organise something or work together just to make things easier or contemplate something meaningfull.
It's a pity and a waste of talent.

btw: If the stickman site would still be there I would have written a submission about it.

Dan Mallard says:

I find this whole fiasco highly amusing. Everyone's a tough guy on the internet. Why don't Stick, Galt, Trink, Concerned/Justice etc log in to Counterstrike and have at it there. It's about as close to a showdown as we're going to get with all of this. The Thai's would just laugh at this...that's asuming of course, that they give a shit about any of this (they don't).....Fucking falangs.

Bukseeda says:

This whole thing revolves around farang english 'teachers' in Thailand sticking up for their poster boy 'Stick'.
Lets face it, if you are an english teacher in Thailand, then in 90% of cases you are only 'teaching' so you can stay in Thailand to liase with bargirls(can't get pussy at home?) I am sorry but you know its true...
So many times I have had a beer with an english 'teacher' in Bangkok (who by the way stick out a mile) and when they learn that I have a real job in Thailand(by real job I mean one that pays as well or better than the same position in the west, and is not career suicide)they are as jealous as hell, yet upon talking to them over a beer or two its obvious that they are misfits that would have no chance of getting gainful employment in Thailand let alone Farangland(90% of cases).
Are these the same 'connected' farangs that are going to have galt seen too ??? Please,,,We can see you for what you are, and Thai's can see it too...
Just accept what you lot are....Whoremongers who extended their stay and cant face going back to Farangland as they are so far behind the eight ball it's not funny...
You know it makes sense,
Bukseeda....

Dicer says:

"All this talk about Stickman v Summers, surely there's a more pressing question right now. What I would like to know is - where the fuck is Dicer?" - Jack Wow

Jack Wow, Thaxo.... I'm right here smiling and grinning in turns waiting for someone to give me a nudge. Holy Enchelada! The Vortex Sewer is spinning faster!

As befitted the generation that gave the world Boratic madness such as this where a sticky man and his readers are stuck in the post mod oven it appears less Homage to Sewerland, rather Homage to Simulated Sewerland (a forum talking about two other forums.) It's almost as if lower Saxons can not get enough of the sewer, they are transposing it nonstop to cyberspace. I mean look at the commotion here! Is it erm, genuine reason for solidarity? A laboratory of alienation perhaps? Not long after I read the last post, the war ended I thought. What war! The often cited analogy of Jungle Jim is more a fleeting anachronism. In the old Sultanate of Pattani where the Dutch East India company had an office the British tried long and hard to gain favour and eject the Dutch without success, even at one time setting the Dutch warehouses on fire, and since then (1700s) and Ayuttaya, Europeans have been played really well either by the Chakris or their southern clients. Inter-euro bickering in Bangkok was always a spectator sport and the Thais realised that they could always let the winner play the Chins and lose the game. Now once the Saxons thought they had the upperhand the whole game became Inter Saxon Perfidy and here we are at last. This is of course comical and absurd, to the point that I think Galt is related to Gregor Samsa. And Stickman is waiting for Godot.

Yup the vortex sewer... wheeeeeeeeeeeee ... the scums on an outing... Those dancing Dervishes snapping their necks, fezs flying....

Q: Why cant Saxons not fit in and why do we have too many Brits here?

Welll..... we have to keep in mind the monumental issue of taming a world stuffed full of albino barbarians. Recently a Brit lady friend in Blackburn complained that the population there has been mixed up too much. Across the street is a mean Iranian named Hassan who won't talk to them...this is great...the Raj dream and all its sticky ramifications come to naught when your neighbour cooks odd food and gives you the evil eye. I asked myself, if I was said man in Blackburn would I talk to her? Probably not. OK all this great mixing is actually a kind of social evolution going on. Mother nature is a bit messy of course, but there it is....Albanians telling Colombians to kiss their a.... but oddly enough they will all support Arsenal and beat up guys from Yorkshire. The Saxons are foaming but too late. In fact, the opposing forces are weird...the football Saxon nutters come to Thailand and become fish sauce eating git barowners with no sense at all trying to be website chic and letting reality slide like a snow cone in June....in the end poor matching with all the flatfooted Chester Grill peasant variety and we have the stickman et al prose and its readership who have come out here in full force.

The yank guy can be easily pegged...class low, and street peripheral..get another clue like income, as so many have said. While the Yank and the Kiwi are at it Brits get terrified of the same kind of detail...dont want to be pegged in a system that will cause raised eyebrows or worse. They are either too high or too low to want quick identification. In the end they like a quiet facade to work from behind and observe. The yanks want to quickly find out if they are talking to the right person. And ALL rules go out the window when they become unhinged in Thailand.

One Brit mate took his Ballet teaching wife to Blighty and shunned slimeland for good he thought whereupon she cried every day. Ah, the pain inflicted on savages by cruel civilisation. Or was it the s... food and Cockneys poking at you. Ah so you do ballet do you? Well could you get on the dinner table in a bikini and do some stuff for the mates? You can hear the neighbours snickering all the way through time and space about a mutant ballet dancer...hehehe. Life is cruel. Now back in Sneerville she says "England man animal," and we laugh, wrongly thinking it's funny.

There are two general kinds of integrating & assimilating masses (integrate means you live where you want, assimilate means you talk chav or gulp). The starving peasants, the war Khmers etc find the West perfect as do Thais, well they dont have a choice do they!...back home the cops and the mafia pull the strings but gee in Ohio you can buy a Winchells franchaise and AWWAYYY YOU GO. The next group take over where the Saxon daddies failed and are now in grimey bangkok fighting over peasant hookers. As basic gulpers slide to welfare status and hang at the 7 11s on drugs, or come to Thailand, the new immigrants come in. Koreans do 7 11 etc and the Viets do video rental, Ethios drive cabs in Texas. Everyone has a corner that is 10,000 times better than at home. A huge $$ advance not to mention free ed, but on top are the brain drain Indians who run science and maths departments. As the old pioneers drop, and can't read or count, the new guys are right up there with Gates and carve out nuvo worlds. Now what is different is the new folk, even Haitians are on a basic equal footing. If they come up with the cash, they get the house. Enough cash and they get respect. Look how far the US Jews have gone? Not as much deal in the UK... The UK is riddled with social levels etc and snobbery...even Saxons don't fit in... So the lowest Saxons from the US and _most_ Saxons from the UK come here and argue about some silly websites. Misfits...is it not?!

People who are stuck in a wonderful state of eager hopelessness....a contradictory phrase you might say but thats what these men show..... if I was 80 and had nothing to do then I'd live for daily reading Galt or Stick updates. Even then, crapping in a nursing home it stops being fun because it involves an endlessly recurring theme with little variability. Besides, even when you make the disinterested attempt to inform them they dont want to be informed. Add to that the arrogance they coat their beliefs with. Stickman for instance thinks he knows what working with Thais is like and one smiles reading the half baked attempt at analysis. But that's not the issue. A form of psychosis is what it is..... so why is watching others' psychosis fun? Helps us better understand this place and the people? It is fun only as material a writer plays with.... not fun when it comes to living it or to be in close proximity to it... say to have a close friend or family in it...... the neural pen that frames the psuedo-vulpine and the little moles wandering hand in hand in smileland.... instantly zoom to, capturing the beleaguered zero-male who is doubly cheated and none the wiser for it, an endlessly recurring theme melded with very agressive and nasty behaviour. There is the mind landscape...the rationalisations, the hazy stuff, the dodging reality, and not putting it together.

Stickman says: relationships erm euur..... stammers.

I say: Sperm up a tart and you'll get a tyke that will sneer before it can say its first word...scary.

Galt says: I see rats and roaches.

And the overweening Stickman complex that has infected all these Saxons? It is like the Leviticus character who has an Exodus complex.

Galt's is simply a cannibalised website with no interior to speak of and thoughts that appear to discharge internally. The art of the sewer has been replaced by the sewer of the art. The shiny new Galt, his pride and joy emblazoned as Not Being someone, reveals with aplomb that people have run out of material they are scraping the top of the barrel, a vivid illustration of the phrase 'jaded and deranged' apropos subjects and psuedo investigators who are stuck in the recesses of lao bars (sorry bamboorat, I'm using lower l now) providing us hooker induced fresh synaptic download and not to forget, Slimeland's overslimey calling cards, the half half office people (decorated in this case with banana on their coats of arms) who afford us very little trickle-down, sanity-wise that is, just a flood upwards.

Hey, have you hung your hopes as intellectual voyeurs? Eager voices of "please tell me what happens next.." Damaged low people who can not take measure with due forsight.

Years ago in a Gabarone South Africa bound bus an overzelous thief once spent half his time with his eyes on my pockets, the other half in them....excuse me he would say each time I wrestled his hand out, before immediately plunging his pilfering fingers back into my pockets in a vain search for the cash I'd wisely stored in a belt ..... I feel like I have to check what's going on everytime I read these empty people..... erm where is the joke at matey...

In this eerie atmosphere of static chaos one would hope the locals would do a bit of bloodletting and those that remain they would squint at each as if you were insane when you went in to have a brainscan (or a visa) because the rate of RIP, madness and stripped departure is in the official parlance, exponential. When a hint of disillusionment such as sticky and gally's develops into a full-blown animus and a particular Justice for All parrots away "If the Thais knew"...I think...will there be another Coup?

Thais would take one look at you and say, "haha this one dont like Thai," and giggle away at the object of amusement. Or something like "funny farang boom boom too maT and now he go ting tong." They are living in the present and in a state of being. Which means they could not care less.

What a laboratory.

Well let's look at the last man. Fred predicted it right on the nose. Males creeping around here tail between their legs being fooled by mutants and low Saxons alike, pussy footing around in bubbles...but surely bubbles unable to deal with especially the third world. Nietzsche's message was enough of this wishywashy stuff. Slam the creeps (mutants) into the ground and no bar investigations, what you need is perfect ready made idiot foes. Right Galt? L'homme Revolte. No, Fred does not have a website and he's not a Thai police general so dont worry.

As we get over this hangover...which would be best, a film about Borat goes Thai, or Woody Allen comes to Sneerville? I vote Borat. Borat is drifting to a non gender neutral mayo minded state...the last man is really a funny term...did he mean last alpha? Borat as Fred Neitzsche: I want ze Saxon alphas to throw off the centuries of pussyfooting and kick a.... says Borat. Of course Saxons only do that in the footie field, go alpha. We have now idiotisation, de-genderisation (not as harsh as castration), last manning, website hidding...yanks who need desperately to be Mexicanized...aztecs rarely roll over and whine and Brits who havent had enough of being stomped in Asia..... meantime just buy appliances and if you are section 8 (mental) we can get you in the new army and you can kill all the hookers who've cheated on you.

AmoresPerros says:

"Whoremongers who extended their stay and can't face going back to Farangland as they are so far behind the eight ball it's not funny..."

Funny... I was thinking some of the posters here must have ODd on Isaan BG's pussy or some similar cheap thrill...

I don't give a gogodancer's ass abt Stick and his new GF's website but the discussion sur made my day... please upload the vid if there's ever a violent settlement coming out of this farce.

I'll be cheering for the strongest.lol

Dicer says:

This also narrows the issues between rivalries between the yanks, Brits and Ozzies. The crafty Albions in my experience enter in toe-to-toe with Thais in a kind of challenge as to whom is better at manipulation and skullduggery. They find themselves under some local big wig's aegis and ply the locals with a bag of tricks, connive bamboozle and try and get away with it, which they often do and over a few pints slag the locals off like it's going out of fashion. Two timing, double faced, always waiting for an interlude for intrigue and malfeasance. And most of the ones I have known on a professional level fit in well here as the Thais like the above crafts. After years in slimeland however Albions tend to find out that they can never win and fall into the cynical chin-up "Wull it's not British is it now?" mentality. Also beset with their own class issues among each other in a caste system more rigid than anything in Asia. The Raj thought them how to manipulate the world and you'll find mini Raj episodes all over the place.

Then the Yanks. A band of ingenuous boy scouts. Take things seriously, refuse to get involved in intrigue and end at the short end of the Albion stick, not to mention the Thai bamboo. They get bamboozled by everyone and slide into denial or get all idealistic in trying to reform locals and replicate Kansas bang in bangkok. Isn't everywhere Wichita? Oz lot are lazy, charming, drift along in the carpe diem mood and adoring locals overlook their cutting corners. They fit in nicely as they plan to coast and take the path of least resistance. "Well thats what Thais do so let it go." But as they dont get into tricks and intrigues they can get run over at times. Whom did we leave out? Oh Kiwis.

At the first sign of trouble Kiwis switch their websites off and quiver with keyboard in hand under the table. For Thais it is as enjoyable as a parlour game to divide and conquer Saxons.

Bangkok Bad Boy says:

I submit a one-man standing ovation for Dicer.

Well said, that man.

don says:

stick himself wrote in his column that his boss had cheated on the evaluation of 7th grade students.

in other articles he talked about her in derogatory ways as well.

looks like it's responsibility time.

in one word: get out , oh sorry that's two words i'm no "english teacher".

Codejunkie says:

"The simple fact is that many people in Thailand, myself included, could pick up the phone and have Gault taken care of if we saw it fit. That is the type of power some of us have here in Thailand"

Trink just couldn't resist to step in and ....make an utter fool of himself. Pitiful, tss...

Mr Thaky, from bangerschat.org says:

hahahahahah.... slow learner
"criminal libel laws in thailand" what a knobjockey.

another sticky butt licking BS'ing fan

its an army/police state with martial law in force.

and a sticky fan mentions Libel laws hahahahahahah....

you gotta laugh.
Wonkers all wonkers, espec the sticky fan base.

Thaxo

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

Yoooooooooooo Dicer.

At last a sensible chatter.

wonkers all wonkers.

Thaxo.

Slow Learner says:

The Winner Is.

The results are in and the winner is David, of MangoSauce.com whose breaking news generated hundreds of reader postings on his increasingly popular website.

By breaking this story, linked to on all other major Thailand expat websites and many blogs, readership is soaring and debate over "outting" other webmasters in Thailand has flourished.

Boredbit says:

HI,
"they" say that Thailand changes people. Or that it is a country that attracts all kinds of weird people. Or that people morals, if they were at some level to start with, really easily go down in Thailand during years. I have seen it here on these horrible comments made by people, threatening with violence, expulsion from country, even death. What is wrong with you people? Why you make such afwul comments? How can you threaten with violence against someone who may or may not slander? Or are you from a country where these kinds of things still happen, where people are killed with rocks if they do slander? How can your morals change so much that you go on ranting about hiring some criminals to hurt someone? What the heck has Thailand done to your brains? :( It is great if there is concern for people reputations who are not linked to allegations (like these other teachers and staf). Old chivalry, great. But what country you come from where you go and threat to "protect" these innocent women with violence and death against those who "slander"? Maybe I am not alone with the disgust I feel for such comments. Peace out to all.

marko says:

I had the same losers after me when I first got here. This is Thailand and it's full of nutters. Online vendettas are just a bit of fun and can't be taken too seriously.

Chang, Pistonhips and a bunch of other deranged sociopaths can't change a thing so they just get upset and dribble into their keyboards.

It's fun to watch and I remember the heady days of the TEFLAsia forum watching them jump up and down with rage and impotent frustration!

I invited them over and told them my name and where i lived... But they are all cowards and eventually they just get boring. Fun while it lasted though!

I imagine stickman is laughing his ass off!

TT says:

My God!
I thought I talked a lot!
Can we get back on track?!
This guy has serious case of verbal Diarrhoea !
..
Obviously an ex teacher!
TT

PS I do however admire his intellect and command of vocabulary.

Mikey says:

For those of you wondering if Summers is still in hiding in Thailand, he isn't. I've watched this drama unfold on this site and another (where a photo was posted). Well it just so happens that I spotted the guy having a beer and a burger at the infamous Walkabout in Phnom Penh. He was just quietly enjoying his meal and I just minded my own business before setting off for the Shanghai across the way. Just thought I'd pass the info on... Cheers!

observer says:

If you were summers...would you be casting stones from within Thailand???...I doubt it.

Apparently, his look alike was seen in Phong Phen last night.

Dana says:

Ok, I'll say it.

"Dicer, I am not worthy."

Derukugi says:

LOL! Dicer is back. Great reading for breakfast.

Fya Pon Dem! says:

Ras David,

New post, please!

Too much fussin' & fightin' amongst the drama queens.

Nuff Respeck!

liu bei says:

Galt has crossed the line even for a sleazy game.

I'm not a fan of stickman, but I don't think he deserves to have private information published publicly by a slimy illiterate like Mr. Galt.

As for those girls whose photos he published, they can probably sue him and win, even in Thailand.

I'll be back later, I stepped in some Galt, I've got to go scrape it off my shoe.

bif says:

Dicer, you're a clever guy, but not clever enough: you're sitting there looking at yourself in the mirror.

Here's a thought: Maybe it will be a good thing if Stick's site goes down for good. In our little teapot here the last thing we need is thousands of newbie assholes muscling in and raising prices and lowering expectations and giving women the clap.

When I first visited Thailand (that is to say, Nana, Cowboy, Buckskin Joe's and Pattaya) in '95 just about every punter was older than me (I was 40). On my last visit, the joint was crawling with 20-somethings. What the fuck does a 20-something want with a whore unless he's a total fucking creep?

Is Stickman to a large extent responsible for this? Not that I don't love the man, you understand...

ThaidUp says:

Oh Dicer is back! What prose. Fitting for sitting on the bog then using the paper it is written on to wipe your ass.

Face Thailand is but a pimple on the ass of the world. Still a third world country with a complete ambition to gain face in the rest of the world. The only time it rises above the radar is when either a coup happens or some journalist wants to come here to get his rocks off while doing some expose'

Let the Thai's say it doesn't matter while they huddle in long cue's at the Embassy's of the UK and USA to gain passage into the promise land only for most to have their applications rejected by a smiling Thai no less.

Nice if you two leave says:

Really sad situation, a bunch of stupid white men letting all of Asia on line see this ignorance played out. Yes, true, Thailand has a problem with sex starved English teachers. Is it no wonder Visa laws were changed? The problem is simple, close all Farang bars down. After all Thailand is a Buddhist country and alcohol is against Buddha’s teachings. You non Buddhists come here and pollute the country and push the limit to all native’s patience. Stickman’s site while entertaining it could give the wrong impression about Thai woman because they are not all that stuff. Better to say the Thai phrase “never mind” and move on with yourselves.

philH says:

Yes please David, give us a new posting with plenty of tits, bums and boxes.

B....O....R....I....N....G!

anon. says:

This website used to be fun. Fucking hell you wankers mucked it all up.

samesame says:

I was once told, Slander is a serious crime in Thailand. The face thing and all.
I am willing to bet this will cause Mr. Summers some grief, especially since he has some assest to go after.

Good.

Who Needs A Guide To Bangkok? says:

thailand always had and always will be full of loud, bickering and whingeing farang – on that count it sucked 25 years ago and it sucks now and it will suck tomorrow. you used to find them in shithole bars and now you can find them on the net. i'm not complaining though if it keeps them off the streets.

although the toilets have considerably improved and beggars have mobile phones, folks like stickman and galt will never change. would they both let go if we had a poll and publicly declared which one of them has the bigger cyberdick?

idontcare says:

My money is on somchai and sticks gf, she gets to keep all the household items.

Dicer, the nudge woke you up?
Please I brought some valium, did you ever score anything in 'summary' while at school.I bet you must be a silly single old man cos no one can stand your endless ranting and try a spell checker next time.

Well , I hate stick for being a Racist, otherwise , i ll just stick to reading up.

Handbags at Dawn says:

Thrilling though this storm in a thimble is, I would like to complain about the webmaster of this site who seems to be relying on his readers for all of the content. And they're not very good at it.

Please can we have some more lighthearted articles about life in the real world (if that phrase can ever be applied to Thailand)?

To start you off, here's one that just happened to me: my best man was told with three week's warning that he had to go to work on the Saturday of my wedding (normally he only works weekdays). He explained why he couldn't and his employer's response was, "Can't your friend move his wedding?".

mango champion says:

Maybe this is obvious, but this is a chance for Mango sauce to reign supreme. It seems Stick and his evil twin notstick may cancel each other out. Being Mangosauce has simply allowed people to state their opinions and largely stayed out of the drama you can reap the benefits. I'd take the this opportunity to invest in your website gain advertisers and try to expand your fanbase. There's nothing wrong with taking advantage of a situation you didn't create.

And Justice for All says:

Dicer. One question.

Do you cum before you write or after?

Dumbo says:

Here's a hint to stickman (or anyone else that don't care too much about the galt), have a look at asiancycle ebay site and if you know anything about ebay you can easily turn them in for a huge amount of ebay policy breaches, effectively shutting them down.

Anonymous says:

Found this on the net..maybe useful for someone...

Galt, John NotStickmanBangkok@gmail.com
1 18/4 Beach Road
Chonburi, A Banglamong 20260
Thailand
5035905

Mikey says:

Just got back to my pad to take a shower and received an SMS from a mate that Summers was hacking away this afternoon at his laptop in the PP FCC. Not sure if the guy is staying nearby at California2 GH or not, but seems a lot of Americans do go there for the food and toons when in Phnom Penh.

Outsider says:

I think you do a diservice referring to Summers as a "rival Webmaster".
Stick has invested a great deal of time and effort over the years developing a popular site. He has earned a respectful place in the Farang community. Summers is a Stick wannabe acting like a teenage spurned lover who has contributed nothing.
Unfortunately any measure of success attracts parasites.
I see no reason for a debate...if I was Stick; I would not give that loser the time of day.

Thaihome says:

May I suggest that everyone takes a break and read a book?
TH

Thaihome says:

David,
I am amazed at some of the posts you have let go (particularly the later ones from Concerned for all...) while meticulously editing, commenting, and deleting any identifying or derogatory comments on Stickman.
TH

---------------

TH - I removed one libellous comment and a couple of stupid ones. I also removed Stickman's real name from a couple of posts. Mango Sauce is a thick-skinned forum and we're all grown-ups so I saw no reason to edit out derogatory remarks.

Stickman got an easier ride than Galt because he was perceived as the victim an injustice - not because I did him any special favours.

Regards
David

Kesman says:

I seriously doubt that 99.5% of the posters here know either Stickman or John Galt.

Acting like you are all best friends on either side of this dispute is really abnormal to say the least.

It's like 2 kids in elementary school getting ready to duke it out on the playground and 500 friends show up on either side of the fight to pile in.

News is news, and breaking news and contraversy is big news. Outing any one with near celebrity status is always big news and outing Stickman falls into that category here in Thailand.

Pros and cons alike, teachers should be teachers, detectives should be detectives, bar girl chasing should be chasing bar girls, etc.

All farang are guests here in Thailand. The sad truth is that some have realized they like Thailand so much that their teacher salary or other form of work, cannot support the long term lifestyle they want to have here.

So the alternative is get something going on the side to make some extra baht.

I am not a big proponent of any farang teaching in Thailand or anywhere else in the world that is not a college graduated school teacher. Just because you can speak english does not make you a teacher.

I have a kid in international school here and I have changed schools 3 times since I have been here with my kid.

The majority of these so called farang teachers, you would not allow around your children if you knew them personally and what their real motives and initiatives in Thailand are. (John Karr should be a good example here)

But if you chose to come here to teach english, dedicate yourself to your profession and helping kids learn english the best you can.

Fortunately, if you are a good farang english teacher here, you can make lots of extra money tutoring on the side.

I am quite certain this would be a better approach to earning additional baht that being involved in the bar scene.

Anyone that wants to be here, should realize the repercussions of not having all your paperwork in line. It is not smart and in the event you get caught, out you go and that is a hard price to pay if you want to stay and live in Thailand.

I think the only intelligent thing to do at this point, and it may be WAY to late already, is get Stickman and Galt together with a couple of neutral expat moderators and work this out behind the scenes.

The people that lose are both Stick, John Alt and all the rest of us.

Making idol threats about legal action, harm or anything else is useless here and these posters need to back away from their computers and go outside and get some fresh air.

My opinion is Stick could lose his job, maybe even his status here. Because John Alt is doing business for himself, he is probably not in as dire straights as Stick will be at his school.

Correct are the posters that say, an english teacher in Soi Cowboy and Pattaya every weekend was looking for trouble.

There is always at least one person in the world that hates the most popular person in town for what ever reason and it is always that one we have to watch out for.

I would bet maybe 0.2% of all Farang in Thailand are classified as untouchable and that would be the super rich, not the school teachers.

A couple of websites and a few extra baht per month is not worth getting booting out of the country over, is it?

The best thing the expat community can do in the meantime, is stay out of this dispute and let is quickly diffuse itself and go away.

The last thing we need is for the Thai government to get wind of things like this and tighten restrictions on all the rest of us that want to live in Thailand.

Best let this die on the vine as soon as possible.

Derukugi says:

Kesman,
I don't know where you get the idea from that "all" here act as if they know and/or are the best friends of x or y.
I think very few said that.
I for one don`t. And my favorite site is neither Stick nor Galt, but Mangosauce.

Desert Gooner says:

I have to take the Stickman side. We're all grown ups and he fools no-one with his obvious plugs for places he likes, for whatever reason. His site did no-one any real harm, unlike his protagonists.

But as an expat myself, a line has to be drawn between taking the piss out of someone you disagree with, and posting content that could cause actual harm or financial loss. Summers' actions are despicable at best.

Summers is a typically gobby and arrogant septic who fortunately wasn't bright enough to realise that he can be identified IRL, and I personally look forward to whoever forwards the pictures of him in the outpatient department, which I feel sure will happen sooner rather than later.

And as someone else pointed out, he really ought to hope and pray that the farangs get to him first, because one of those teachers' daddies, uncles or brothers may not be quite so nice as to break only an arm, a leg or a couple of ribs.

woo hoo says:

It's too late for that.

Stick's a goner..

John Galt says:

I like Kesman's comments just above this post. There were some wise words in there.

My objective was not to get Stick fired. If it were, I would have never posted the Banana pictures on my site. I would have quietly gone to his school and secretly turned him into his boss long before that point.

My primary goal has never changed. My message to Stick is stop running an illegal business that scares and miss-leads people to the point where it drops money in his pockets. As you may see here, MangoSauce does no such thing. Mango isn't running pieces with false or fudged or questionable HIV statistics and then running advertising for HIV test kit companies.

I'm a legal enterprise here in Thailand. It took years to get it fully established. I pay pretty substantial moneys to keep it legal every month. I'm proud of that work. It's supports me and my people. I'd like to see Stick either stay with teaching and follow their rules OR go commercial and make StickmanBangkok.com a real enterprise by Thai standards. Of course, I have not right to tell him what to do and I shouldn't be forcing anyone to do anything specific. Not any more than Stick was forcing people to do things based on his highly popular and public opinion swaying publication.

Funny, I apply the same type of pressure against him that he exerts against others, and he goes and hides and pouts about it. He wants everyone to come save him. He is trying to manipulate his readership again. (but I think the lights are coming on around the world)

I can run my web site that way I want -- so can Stick. It's his choice and mine (barring any requests from Thai authorities).

Bbull says:

The Thai authorities can and do block sites they don't like, making it difficult for people here to access them...

Liu Bei says:

Mr. Summers said:

"Funny, I apply the same type of pressure against him that he exerts against others, and he goes and hides and pouts about it....

I can run my web site that way I want -- so can Stick. It's his choice and mine (barring any requests from Thai authorities)."

Dear Mr. "Galt,"
NO, sorry. That's bullshit. Dragging those girls' pictures into your site is bullshit. You are a spineless coward, Mr. Summers, and you really don't give a shit who you fuck over with your petty little vendetta.

And no, fuckwit, I'm NOT a stickman fan. I am not even a stickman READER. I could give a shit about him, as a web presence or as a human being. But what you did to him--and the people he works with--was unconscionable (oops sorry that's too many syllables for a moron like you isn't it? it's sorta like "bad"--GET IT, MORON??). You crossed a line that just doesn't get crossed by any except the lowest pond scum. You fancy yourself the champion of truth or some such horseshit, but honestly I've met gangsters with (a lot) more integrity than you.

Good thing for both my sake and yours, Mr. Summers, that I was too lazy to look at your picture, as I cannot guarantee I'd be able resist the urge to spit in your face if i saw you. Not out of compassion for stickman or even his co-workers, but out of contempt for you, and other bottom-feeders like you.

PS: If you could learn to read and write, that would make your self-justifications (slightly) more readable.

Saddened Farang says:

I find John Galt a very sad case indeed. It's really too bad that he sees himself as judge and executioner.

Why is it his business to police cyberspace or a Thai classroom? If he is so concerned about Thai people and Thailand, why has he disgraced them so?

I really think the guy has lost touch with reality. He really is a crazy loon. There simply isn't any other way to put it.

McFarang says:

I really enjoy Mangosauce more than the former stickman site and better than the john gault site. However, I dont think its fair to take Stickman's side over Keith Summers, mangosauce should remain nuetral and post ALL comments, good or bad , and not play favorites.

reviewer adnaseaum says:

I don't understand your point Galt/Summers. You are saying that no person should ever write a bad review or at least no bad reviews of your friends or you will hold them to a higher standard then you hold yourself? Gee that makes perfect sense. I can see you never really read the old Atlas Shrugged? You are more of an old school Stalin boy.

If Stick had influence its because he worked at it. If you think he duped his readers fine, though it states a pretty low opinion of his readership. And if you think they are all just off the turnip truck then what would you care?

No this is just the old farang expat (low end) clap trap from some guy that has way too much time on his hands and no money to do anything productive with. So they become keyboard warriors.

It's a hoot! And for those of you with low institutional memories... Stick has been outed before, equally by some bozo with an axe to grind. That tempest blew over as will this one.

Derukugi says:

Keith Summers,
stopp trying to justify yourself. All that does is make you look even worse.
At this point, you should *apologize* and hope that is that.
You are the one who did not know when to stop, not Stick. Period.

Lotus says:

So, Mr "Galt", in your posting, amongst the grammatical errors, you have confirmed that your intention right from the start was to take Sticks site out.
Then you go on to explain that you resent the fact that Stick made money from his site even though it was only a part-time occupation, and that you have been unable to do this without having to run your business full-time.
And this is Sticks fault is it? The fact that he, like millions of others, has a talent which enables him to run an evening business which makes extra cash is a problem for you right?
So because you don't have any such talent your insane jealousy brings you to the point where you have to take him out even though he is not in competition with you, and only happens to be in the same country.
It beggars belief. You clearly need urgent psychriatric help. I would leave Thailand if I were you as it has left you unbalanced. Many people are affected by living abroad, especially in a country such as Thailand but you seem to have become a sad basket case.

Slow Learner says:

It is not easy to assume the title of the least liked Farang in Thailand. John Karr was a hard act to follow and Gary Glitter is already in jail elsewhere.

But, you put quite a bit of work into Keith and managed to pull it off.

Maintaining it as this flash in the pan fizzles out won't be easy though. Any ideas? Outting gay English teachers at their workplace, perhaps?

Well, at least now everybody knows your name and a few might even remember your face, for a little while anyway. Gosh, I guess you better hope the one who remembers ain't that big guy sitting next to you at the bar who lost his job when some wanker slandered him to his boss.

Dicer says:

"no one can stand your endless ranting and try a spell checker next time." - idont care.

Piteously challenged fella contradicts himself....so if I want to be liked by you, Mr Noone I should try a spell checker? Maybe I should write in the new thai latin font for you. You sound like you've been plied by your English teacher to write something, even if it's just a suicide note.

"Here's a thought: Maybe it will be a good thing if Stick's site goes down for good." - bif

If you say so. I care little for what goes up or down except my hairy arse when doing the missus, not that I'd share that with you here. The reactions here however are amusing.

"Is Stickman to a large extent responsible for this? Not that I don't love the man, you understand..." - bif

Stickman and Galt can perhaps be blamed for the actions of some of these people who operate like a warning label as to what might happen...and dont try this at home misfits! So can the Lonely Planet and countless other guides. Once in a Luang Prabang sidestreet cafe I saw two English tarts consulting their Lonely Planet and seeking out a cafe recomended by the compilers. The cafe we were sat at was roasting its morning coffee and the aroma was irresistible. One of the girls approached a waitress and said, "do you know this coffeeshop," and pointed at a map in the book. The girl looked up and asked, "what you look for?" "We are looking for this place to have coffee." "Why not try the coffee here and pointed at the fresh beans being roasted. The girls were determined to do the book and they marched on. Perhaps later their experience would have been highlighted by a submission to the Lonely Planet site on how terrible that coffeeshop was. Sort of a self fulfilling prophesy some might say, just like the stickman readers who gleefully commit more faux pas only to gleefully retell it there, like Dana thinking "what shall I do in this hotel room I can report later at sticks." Plain daft others would add. I call it transference neurosis. You dont need Stickman or otherwise to guide you through the maze that is Thailand. All you need is to apply what you have between your ears. Thailand at its most decadent, had never needed hiring peripatetic chaps to go through the motion of being self declared guides for the lumpen majority who fly in to dip their ends in the sewer. And those of us watching the reactions and pleas here pour our derision and scorn at the absurdity. The only thing that never seems to change in this putrescent atmosphere is the more hooker savvy a white man becomes in Thailand the less interesting he becomes and the more he should be avoided as more and more of his behaviour gives rise to not unnatural suspicions. Thousands of these low people and it is amusing to watch until one recalls how many bad apples the world may yet be spared because of the busyness of molten lumpen folk waddling in and out of the eponymous sewer. If most of these men who lack physical charm were forced to rely upon mental charm or social skills not to mention their non-existent education to attract friends and lovers in their own countries, their sexual as well as social lives would be not only sparse but painfully brief. They go to third world countries and cause more social collision, commit more faux pas, break more rules. No need for a webguide for them but psychiatric outtreatment, at least for those who dont end up in the ER or RIP that is. There is a big difference between barking from a safe distance, or poking fun and hectoring like the self appointed guides. So why bark here?

You can simply ignore them but misfits alarm you at some level, if only because you are forever expecting to encounter yourself.

Coming back to odd feature of yanks... is your friends end in high school. From uni to job you never trust another person the rest of your life. Anything around high school is OK for some reason. Unstructured dog pack days. Carefree dog days versus ulcer time making money in a hostile canine world. Unfortunately in Thailand most of the foreigners you ask where they are from, even euros give a bum answer. "And where are you from? Washington> Naw, around...erm... all over. So then one girl says Colorado and I start to talk about my old neighbourhood and it turns out she is NJ. I don't know what is going on, but I suspect a lot of these guys are really on the run and used to putting up a story about who they are, where they are from and what they do. Now look most of them...some poor guy from a small town in Alabama will life...Joe says he's from DC not Richmond VA. The questions are expected and the crafted answers prepared as yanks again and again want to quickly find out if they should be talking to that person or not.

For Brits you just wait for them to open their mouths. A Brit from some horrible Kent hamlet will also lie or be evasive. On the other hand Brits only need to hear the accent to peg a Nigel or a Caroline. Maybe from a saxon village and no education. Dropped out did you? You just find an amazing bunch of people from Tweedleburry who were building outhouses at 12 and now having robbed a few stores are having R&R in grimeland. No diplomas needed to surf the sewer. Or you get one in Kao San, like the tattooed guy with barhandle moustache who wanted to buy a Nobel Peace Prize certificate!

A recent Pattaya Mail article describes how criminals get an identity makeover in Thailand: "Yang said that there are 2 methods of forging an identity. The first is obtaining the name of a dead person (one that’s not been reported to the authorities) normally a hill tribe person and assuming their identity. They will get the name from a corrupt district official or village headman who allows the criminal to assume the death person’s identity, by putting him on the house registration and making an identification card under that deceased person’s name....The 2nd Method is by purchasing names and surnames from a living Thai person who’s willing to sell their name. The criminal will then affix his portrait to a fake identification card in the local registered district. As for the seller they merely go and change their name and surnames.....After the forgery of the identification card is completed the next process is to forge a passport. This can be done in the Bangrak area of Bangkok, where it is known that Mr. “R” will do for the Indian nationals and Mr. “B” will especially do for the Chinese.... Mr. Yang went on to say that after the whole process of forging an identification card and passport, the escaped criminal is then able to live in Thailand easily and is able to travel to the 3rd world countries."
...

So Galt is really a part time prostitute called Boonlert? Now this is not an option open for albino barbarians but Chinese and Indians so what do the albinos do. Well, obtaining a dead person's identity has always been a tried and tested method for Brits. In Pattaya and up North you meet some of these people and after they are plastered right about midnight you bump into them in a bar....so what's your name, "Brian....oh daw...I meant George"..... tries to remember again, "ok not Brian, George".... well you know what they say, to be a good liar you must have an exceptionally good memory. That's before they beat you up and steal your beer change.

Just when you assert that they have reached the bottom they plumb new depths: "Well I sold my mother to the cossacks you see!"

For a myriad of reasons this place tends to bring out the worst in a lot of people.

Maudib says:

Keith:

You fail to recognize a fundamental flaw in your logic... You are NOT in the USA anymore... You are in a 3rd world country where NO ONE gives a rat's ass about the freedom of speech you enjoyed back home... You have NO rights in Thailand... You are a guest in a xenophobic society, existing solely by flying under the social radar... Guess what??? You're on the radar now and the heat-seeking missiles are tracking your signature...

This little ruckus you started will likely ruin Stick's life in Thailand, along with your's... Time to pack you bags and scamper off with your tail between your legs while you still can...

Was sticking up for a buddy who runs a gogo bar worth ruining your life and the life of another farang???

For whom does the bell toll??? It tolls for thee...

Jack Wow says:

"no one can stand your endless ranting and try a spell checker next time"

Idontcare - what makes you think you're talking for all of us? I think you need to go and direct that comment at Galt/Summers.

Dicer, it's always a pleasure.

Neil says:

Never been interested in stickman's site but galt is well out of order publishing those pictures and for being an egotistic muppet..
For anyone interested here's where you can find Galt's information.
http://www.whois.sc/, type in Notstickmanbangkok.com

I've already reported him to his Registrar.

Neil says:

Hi John,
what's the weather like in "Chonburi" right now.
Could be a storm brewing!!!!

Pepsi drinking, non-smoking muppet!

Concerned for all.. says:

Times up.

John Doe Soi4 says:

Any business owner or falang should see that this kind of attack could have been an attack on any of them ,

The internet is everywhere , and if you have a website up talking about your personal life for years , there are many clues as to you work , live and what you do at night,

There are many internet bullies , this is just another case.

sad times

Richard says:

In all walks of life there is always someone with the-if i can't have it then nobody else can-attitude.Galt is one such person.
I came across his site a few weeks ago but never felt the need to re-visit it.
I read Stickmans site and take it for what it is,entertainment.I enjoy,and have contributed to,the readers submissions.It's a shame that this miserable individual wants to spoil this for the many people such as myself.
Stickman has built up a large following over the years which Galt will never achieve while trying to make a name for himself off the back of someone else.

Anonymous says:

I heartily concur with John Doe Soi4's comments.

what goes around comes around ...

TT

Khon Tamada says:

What the hell is Keith's major malfunction?

I just don't understand his motivation. He seems to not have any first-hand info regarding any misdoings- rather it's all from mysterious informants who apparently make Stickman's evildoings available to only him, despite the various other forums of discussion out there.

Is he an avenging angel, fighting Stickman's disinformation on behalf of the quiet majority? Judging by the overwhelming roar of 'shut the fuck up, you crazy moron' it would seem not.

Can it be all stemming from a perceived slight from Stickman as mentioned above? As egotistical as he seems, I doubt he'd make such a fuss over such a little incident.

Could he simply be seeking attention? Could be, if the criticism of Stick remained constant and tame. But he has at once forced Stick to take the site down and alienated a huge part of the farang population. Yeah, he is getting attention, but it's not exactly positive.

Whatever the reason, the end result is that Stick has been forced to take down what was a source of entertainment for thousands of people. Congratulations, asshole.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard update:

Galt 5 Stick 0

Forgot about Stick taking that day off from two weeks ago.

Not taking sides here, just scoring based upon internet presence.

I can't believe some of you are making physical threats, hope you wind up in a Thai prison.

Galt can always pack his bags and set up in Cambodia. Can Stick do that? Perhaps.

Thaibanger says:

Has anyone considered the possibility that "John Galt" is not only screwing Stickman, but also Keith Summers? He did make it very easy to find his "real" name and photo on the internet. Even after being "outed", he continues to tell everyone to stuff it & does not appear to care about his personal safety.
He also mentioned in his latest column a friend of his, Mr. X, and his new website. I don't think I would want any "friend" who is receiving death threats to put my info on his website.
Could "JG" be trying to screw with this man as well as Stick & Summers??
Is this why "JG" refuses to talk on the phone?
Just a thought or 2, have to go now, my tinfoil hat fell off!!

Enough yes? says:

Too bad so sad never mind. Who cares? We will all visit Thailand again regardless, why should we worry about the fall out between these guys. What’s the point? I’m sorry for Stick don’t get me wrong but he has been living in a glass house for a while. Galt is a twat but nuff said about it. Surely.

Ox says:

I would like to point our interest to some huge misconceptions and misinformations about the money Stick is assumingly able to pull out of his website. He has got to get some money coming in, for shure, doesnt he? He has costs and bills coming in every month. Bandwidth, hardware, repairs... He is not charging the readers or members, like other websites do. So he has to have some promotional stuff going on like banner ads or even mentioning some places in the texts. But this is nearly nothing. The companies will probably pay some baht, but more in the form of a sponsorship, food or drink vouchers and stuff like that. I seriously doubt about the actual promotional impact on the readers. Guys, stickmanbangkok.com is a hobby thing! I even doubt if Stick was able to break even with his website every month.

How many websites like this have already folded, as the money coming in was not enough to cover the costs. This is not google.com or yahoo.com. And we are not even talking about the time spent every week to read, edit the incoming, often boring articles. And the obligation to write the Stickman weekly every single sunday! Hours and hours. I assume this is not fun every weekend. And it can not and does not have to be perfect all the time. And I think spicing it up with some kind of gossip about the workplace is allowed, or even demanded. This is called journalistic liberty, even if the truth is sometimes stretched a bit by phantasy. It was all absolutely harmless, be it about the banana girl or his boss trying to make the school look good in front of the delagation. Just some funny stories.

The allegations that Stick is screwing other farangs for his own wellbeing are absolutely stupid. He would probably not be able to live without his fulltime job as an english teacher.

Actually this is all very disappointing. The website had a host of valuable information, the list of free WiFi spots in thailand was a jewel. Many nice photos and travel informations not only for the first time traveller. And so on.

And all these loving, lovesick, disapointed, devastated or just excited farangs yearning to write and share their stories for their own relief and entertainment. I really hope stickmanbangkok.com will be up again someday.

And what about digging out these DVD/CD copy allegations from many years ago? Perhaps this really was some youth sin of Stick. So what. Who would sincerely think about pointing his finger to all the guys selling DVDs/CDs in Panthip Plaza, on Sukhumvit Rd or the Patpong Market to make some baht?

Wake up Keith! I dont know who put you into this silly state of mind to run havoc, I am really not sure if it was you all by yourself....

Reveal says:

Thats the way it goes for Stickman. People that put up websites for public consumption( and personal profit) must also have to bear the burden of thosedthat don't like them.

Reveal says:

It seems Stickman's groupies really have a problem with Galt. I don't. I rather enjoy the little war going on. I believe it's more personal than we have been led to believe though.

Mr Lucky says:

Just guessing, but I think I sussed Stick's strategy...

I bet he took his site off the web and went straight to his boss with the whole story. Something like, "I had a Thailand guide website and a jealous competitor is trying to force me to take it down by dishonoring the school. The school is my priority so I took down my site."

She hears the story from him and, if she cares to go online to investigate she finds two things: Stickman's innocent-looking apology and Galt's page, which looks absolutely crazy to anyone who hasn't seen the Stick site (crazy enough if you have!).

So Stick loses face at work for sure, but I bet he gets to keep his job..... on one condition: that he provide the police with info on this Galt person.....

Whippet says:

Ox: You can find a list of WiFi hotspots here: http://www.bkkpages.com/useful/wifi

Graf says:

Hey Thaibanger... why should Galt/Summers be concerned for his personal safety? I believe sincerally, that nobody is gonna harm that man. People tend to talk tough on the internet. I guess it's easy to do while they are hiding behind a keyboard.

One would have to be a real "head case", to physically go after a man because of some petty little internet feud. Espescially to defend some guy that they probably don't even know personally. Does anybody on this thread think that Stickman would go out of his way to defend them?

faatm says:

The great thing about a democracy is every persons right to express themselves, and whilsts posting photos on the net of non consenting people in the way it has been done is highly questionable everyone has the right to read what they choose or ignore the content. But my question is ...who the fuck is this "concerned for all" ?? with his aggressive rhetoric he is certainly no better than the man he condemns , and if he isnt stickmans best friend or family member he should do all concerned a favour and shut the fuck up and get a life.
Ohh and bye the way I'm a stickman reader.

Observer says:

Galt is a person close to Stick and knew everything about him from the start.

Summers and his business are just fakes to hide the real person.

Liu Bei says:

Observer,

Interesting theory. Considering that Mr. Galt can't spell, and has no command of grammar, I'd be interested in knowing what evidence you have to support your assertion that he's smart enough to know how to hijack Mr. Summers' IP address. I'm not buying it. Nice try though.

An interesting morsel from the rumor mill: Stickman has been fired from his teaching job. While I've made it perfectly clear that I think this Galt fellow the lowest, most craven sort of sociopath, teaching at a respectable school and 'naughty nightlife' do not mix well here. Sooner or later stickman would have been fired.

Graf,
You seem a bit naive. While it's true that the internet is full of keyboard warriors, sword-waving psychos in their online persona who in reality are sweaty-palmed nerds who will fold like laundry when confronted in real life, there are also some real psychos out there. Galt/Summers isn't the only one. Like attracts like. The irony is that their rationalization would be that they're 'serving justice' same as Mr. Galt/Summers. It could end dramatically or even violently, but there will be no winners if that's the case. Our species, Homo sapiens, are wired to help each other and cooperate--and to weed out the 'free riders.' People who cross the wrong line often come down hard.

More likely Mr. Galt/Summmers will have trouble with his internet provider and ebay accounts. For his sake I hope that's as far as it goes. Judging from his comments, he's too stupid to learn something from this.

On the other hand, if this is someone else setting up both Stickman and Mr. Summers, there may be a screenplay in there somewhere.

Eagerly waiting the next installment of this queasy little drama. It's like a traffic accident I can't look away from...

Thaihome says:

David,
If you deleted references to Stick's real name, why do you allow continued use of Galt's?
How would you feel if physical harm was to come to Galt after the threats that have been posted here? Goes a bit past a thick skinned blog I’m afraid
TH

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TH - Neither Stickman nor John Galt have voiced any complaints about my reporting of their dispute.

Regards
David

Codejunkie says:

Liu Bei is right. The whole expat community will lose if this ends violently and hits the media.

andrew says:

Could be Stick was not much of a teacher and his boss did the swap over to make hime look good, especially if he got the job thru family connections (wife family are teachers)...

Wannabe Teach says:

Jeez, someone let me know what school it is, I want to apply for the open position.

Liu Bei says:

I think the mere fact that Stickman had a website which covered 'naughty nightlife' is enough to get him fired.

I've heard tales of teachers getting fired for far less scandalous things.

It's not that thai men don't indulge in prositution--many, arguably most of them, do--but thais don't have a parade about it. So this kind of attention won't sit well at all with the school.

Mr. Galt/Summers' move is not a wise one in the current political climate. All the officials who comment on the new 30-day entry-stamp rules claim that it's to weed out 'bad farrangs.' I wouldn't be surprised, given the number of people who've posted comments here who claim to be tattletales, if Mr. Galt gets the boot from Thailand as well.

Sordid as it is, I don't know either of these guys and don't frequent their websites, don't give a shit about 'naughty nightlife', yet I've been following the whole sordid drama, and read every comment. There may well be a screenplay in there somewhere...

Idontcare says:

'Stick has been fired'?

But he is still smiling in the Staff section next to his diploma credentials.

he can sue the school for 'Unfair dismissal' and claim two year wages as damages.

Strap says:

I Cant belive how big this has gotten in such a short time, I have to say I was enjoying it at first but things seem to be spiraling out of control, there are posters even talking about trying to have people 'takin care of' and other threats.
All for what? a pair of part-time writers?
Most of you would not care if they both droped dead tomorrow. Both of there sites have good and bad info. But I think this has turned into a power play. Both have posted unpleasent info either recently or in the past, The only question is do WE really care about what they do to each other?
on another note, I do not agree with either of them being "outed" with photos and names, thats taking it from the web to your front door.

my 10 seconds is up.
Strap

Trink says:

Galt's new submission is up. It took him a week to write that? He has ALREADY exposed Stickman... Now he is just back peddling and saying that he wants to expose himself because he has already been exposed. So lame...

Trink says:

Stick has not been offically fired yet. He has been placed on temporary suspension and there is going to be an ivestigation into his drinking habits and relationship to the naughty night life.

NotTrink says:

Speaking of to expose or not to expose after the fact, is this the REAL Trink posting above???? Does the REAL Trink have an active website??

Tom says:

In this week's column Galt spent several thousand words saying absolutely nothing. What an arrogant fool.

Slow Learner says:

So, "it" (or actually some shit resemblings the ramblings of a brain injured newbie) is up.

Warning - Do Not Read While Operating Heavy Machinery - May Cause Drowsiness.

What boring crap. I can understand why no one else wanted to post the guy's so-called writing.

Liu Bei says:

The dazzler has struck again. What a literary genius, who else but galt can make the language sing like this:

They all seems to get a kick of of that.

My, my MY. Here he is kicking off his page saying "it's time to go back to school," yet he didn't come out of grade school knowing verbs need to agree with subjects? Pure genius.

As for the so-called content of the post, another bloated farrang sex tourist telling the rest of us about Thai culture and why what he did was ok. Funny, every Thai guy I mention it to cringes.

Mr. Galt is too stupid and arrogant to realize he should keep his head down. Bad luck for him, possibly, but from here on in it's great entertainment. I don't feel guilty anymore, the worst of it is, if not over, already underway.

The wild card is whether any of the keyboard warriors are serious about the threats they make toward Mr. Galt. He has shown so little dignity and respect for his fellow human beings that I don't care what happens to him (and I can imagine some pretty horrible outcomes) but I do hope the person who (hopefully absurdly) claimed to know where his family lives, was all talk. If they really are that psychotic I hope they cool down a bit.

As for Mr. Galt's question, is anyone still concerned about the bananas? In a word, yes. I would imagine that the families of these girls would be hugely embarrassed to have their picture posted on a website that contains stories of scoring hookers in front of Nana and paying virgins for sex.

DEAR MR. GALT:
It's not about innuendos and sleaze.

IT'S THE PUBLICITY, STUPID.

Unbelievable. If brains are dynamite Galt/Summers doesn't have enough to blow his nose.

Wombat says:

Lots of naked emotion here but I can't help thinking people are missing the point. Is not Summers/Galt seeking advertising & letting it be known that he will be looking for investors in his business? How long before those advertisers are asked to part with money? A takeover by kicking the door down & not a very subtle one at that.

Off The Wall says:

Concerning Stick's "Naughty Nightlife Site":

Where is it? I've been checking into his site for years.. maybe 7? And it's been almost that long since he took down the naughtly nightlife section and moved on more to commentating about Thai culture, Thai/Farang relationships, and other misc aspects of living and working in Thailand.

The only references to the nightlife at all have his references to which bars are having parties, doing good business, etc.. In fact, his site has specifically stated that he doesn't want nightlife submissions and has done so for at least five years..

Am I the only one who finds it obvious that Stick made a clean break from the Naughty Nightlife material way way back? Am I the only one who comprehends what they read?

I find this very much "off the wall."

Did anyone catch Galt's (aka Keith Summers) rather boring diatribe that he posted today? It all revolves around him discovering he indeed has a middle finger AND trying to justify publishing Stick's name/picture on his site..

Obviously he has nothing else to write about despite his promises that he wants to write about other subjects.. and if he did no one would read it.. which is why he's attacking Stick.

Keith Summers has no talent, that much is clear to everyone. More, he doesn't even the basic education/writing skills of a 6th grader. So how does someone like this con readers to his site? Smut.. and personal attacks..

Yes, his conquests with virgins and rather average to poor looking Thai girls that most of us wouldn't give a second look at.. so he's got no taste as well as no writing skills, no web skills, and no morals or ethics..

To con readers to his site he first piggybacks onto a successful site by using a like name (www.stickmanbangkok.com) and then spending weeks attacking him. Has anyone read his entire manifesto? His arguments are weak and unsupported to the extreme. He comes across as a little boy with a big chip on his shoulder.

When he doesn't get the desired response (the adoration and respect of all of us) he ups the ante by moving from attacks on Stick's website to attacks on his co-workers.. and of course his livelihood.. in other words sinking lower and lower to keep those web hits coming (I'd say "pouring" but that's not the case) in. He's already planning how to keep the hit coming by threatening to post Sticks name/photo..

And what happens after that? Who's next? Think about it..

Again, I don't think Stick's website is a nightlife website at all..

Stromasher says:

Also just read Notsticks new column, Fucktong is this guy not obsessed with your man Stick or what?

Personally have never been much into Stickman but hes light years ahead of this cretin and his 'full 5 years being here', which may be by the looks of it the duration of his stay.

Internet stalkers, whats this all about?
Fair play if your stalking some piece of Hollywood eye candy but a scuzzy Kiwi teacher in Bangkok?
Reckon youve too much time on your hands my man.

Doesnt matter how this guy Galt butters it up and plays it down, screwing another expat over out here is a shitty trick, its a small playground mukka.

Well good luck to yous both, am off for a beer and a perv.
Let us know when the fireworks begin.

Derukugi says:

Careful you all. Next thing you know, the Great Galt will come up with... "NotMangosauce.com" and expose pictures of dicer.
So better not upset the great revenger out there in Chonburi :-)

Tony says:

I cannot really imagine any business person would seriously consider advertising with, let alone investing, in a company headed by an unstable character like Keith Summers. One morning you mention to Keith that sales are down and in the afternoon he's throwing his toys out his pram again and setting up website exposing the shortcomings of his former advertisers/investors. No savvy business person would touch him with a bargepole.

Nor do I fully understand why he is throwing away all the hard work he has put into building up his own business. A business stands or falls by its reputation and as I understand it he has already had to withdraw some ebay ads due to the bad publicity surrounding this ill-conceived stunt. Hardly a smart business move.

I rather think that, despite what he says on his website, his business was failing. Successful business people do not have the time nor the inclination to get involved in something so petty. Most certainly, he has not earned the respect to inform others about running a small business in Thailand.

The stress of his business failing maybe a contributory factor in his current unhinged behaviour.

gripper says:

A lot of folk can't see the bigger picture concerning this campaign by the Galt.
Instead of making idle threats and ripping his website to shreds, step back and see what effect it is having.

"let's find him,let's get him,lets ruin his ebay business"

For f**ks sake listen to yourselves!!!!
Someone was gonna stick it up the Stick sooner or later and this guy Galt has done it in style!!!!!

Dicer says:

"Careful you all. Next thing you know, the Great Galt will come up with... "NotMangosauce.com" and expose pictures of dicer."

Nice one Derukugi.

I wont settle for anything less than appearing on TV..... not EggTV though!

This could be nothing more than an amusing mess here, but not to those of us who are always in search of cases to use in the stacked-deck of doing business in Thailand. And we add or modify.

The Axiom of Making Deals 1: You are in a lose-lose territory. Fate, reality and the local mafia are going to play a game with you where you'll always lose.

The Axiom of Making Deals 2: You have no recourse.

The Axiom of Making Deals 3: Negotiating (paying) has to be done exactly in the right time, with the right gift, to the right person, in the right fashion. Misfits normally botch things up. So can most mutants....just by the virtue of nationality dont think that locals have figured out the system.

The Axiom of Making Deals 4: Clever has been bent into a virtue and fleecing newcomers is an art form.

The Axiom of Making Deals 5: The supersmartass foreigner will be allowed to set up business, get it going until the moment things are going very well, at which points various locals will come to contest.

And how to unstack the deck? When in Thailand do as the Japanese. Subtlety and some time honoured formulae. The Saxon muppets who strike enough fire to melt faces learn only through shock, which is what happens when you slide further and further away from reality and live in an a bunker bubble.

Now coming back to these two fellas I wonder which group they belong in: The first never dream of doing business in the third world, the second is clueless and give up after losses and the third refuse to catch on and feel that they can out-smart locals. I have a sneaking suspicion that gally and sticky belong in the last category. This group always ups the ante, reckon know what they are doing so what you do is sit and watch and scribble notes and await the arrival of karmic retribution. If gally or anyone can arrange a TV program I'd be glad to appear and participate on a good-natured raillery where we'll all wai the host, the camera, the room and do various pra phum rituals afterwards.... but not on a beauty contest or karaoke show pls!

Bangkok Bad Boy says:

Stick's weekly index is back:

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/week.html

It wasn't there earlier. The front page hasn't changed yet, but I guess he's slowly bringing the site back online.

The new article, ("Weekly 5/11/2006 That Feeling Of Helplessness") hasn't appeared yet though.

Cue scores of web monkeys wearing out their F5 keys...

Liu Bei says:

For fuck's sake 'gripper' (name chosen for Onanistic habits? Just curious) listen to YOURself. You are promoting a petty hatchet-job as if it's something that belongs on one's resume. Unless you're Galt himself, you may be even more unprincipled.

Galt has done nothing "in style" except be a petty, vicious, small-minded little fool. Regardless of how slimy one believes Stickman to be, Miss Galt/Summers has crossed a line that should not be crossed, and upset many people who have no affection for, or even interest in, Stickman, through his petty obsession.

Gripper, listen to Galt/Summers: the nutcases you cite are are no loopier than "the great Galt" himself. Anyone who thinks that doing ANYTHING in style consists petty, vindictive stalking liberally salted with inept grammar and self aggrandizement really needs to poke their head out of the titty bar now and then and see how the rest of the world (outside of farrang sexpats in bangkok) lives.

PS for the umpteenth time, FYI: I'm NOT a stickman reader/fan/whatever, that pissy little she-devil Galt's actions would have pissed me off if they were directed at my worst enemy. It's a line that should not be crossed--at least have the dignity to blackmail someone in private, don't make a circus out of it.

And, um... Pass the popcorn.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard:

Galt 3 Stickman 1/2 point

Galt loses a point for not updating his Banana story on time.

Stick gains a 1/2 as his site is up but there's no content yet.

Time will tell.

Anonymous says:

Onanistic habits?
mmmm....had to google that.
What Galt has done is open a Pandora's box and a lot of chaps are running round like headless chickens going beserk in cyberspace.Someone,however slimey and nasty, has upset the apple cart,and everybody all of a sudden has an opinion ..get a grip...Galt,for whatever reason, decided to let rip.Let him get on with it and enjoy his 15 minutes of fame.There would be no story if Stick had the balls to stand up for himself.His site will still be going strong when Galt is a distant memory.

tracy emin says:

pandora's boxes? headless chickens? upset applecarts?

don't mix your metaphors, son.

Anon says:

Dont care for most of the arseholes screaming but when someone comes along every now and then who has remarks right on the money, one has to point it out even if it has to be sifted through. Dicer says things that are correct and almost allegorical, but vexes just for that very reason.

On Galt's website:

"Galt's is simply a cannibalised website with no interior to speak of and thoughts that appear to discharge internally. The art of the sewer has been replaced by the sewer of the art."

are we to assume "art of sewer" is stickman?

and then this, I had to laugh out loud:

"hooker induced fresh synaptic download ...afford us very little trickle-down, sanity-wise that is, just a flood upwards. "

He goes on this man:

"In this eerie atmosphere of static chaos one would hope the locals would do a bit of bloodletting and those that remain they would squint at each as if you were insane when you went in to have a brainscan (or a visa) because the rate of RIP, madness and stripped departure is in the official parlance, exponential. When a hint of disillusionment such as sticky and gally's develops into a full-blown animus ... I think...will there be another Coup?"

well said mate...

lol...Sneerville!!!!! I mean is this guy real....he goes on to bash WASPS all over and says,

"Thailand at its most decadent, had never needed hiring peripatetic chaps to go through the motion of being self declared guides for the lumpen majority who fly in to dip their ends in the sewer."

yes Dicer but some people are too stupid to figure this on their own. and perhaps "decadent" should read depraved?

"You can simply ignore them but misfits alarm you at some level, if only because you are forever expecting to encounter yourself."

This is a gem, the hint of self awareness...and I just read your axioms and all true! Morons aside I think what winds people up is the deliberate vast output and the Angry Randy style.

Keep feeding us man.

Liu Bei says:

anonymous: "There would be no story if Stick had the balls to stand up for himself."

Actually I think it would be a MUCH better story if he had the balls to stand up for himself... maybe he will, in the screenplay, which will of course end badly for all concerned. A faint whiff of Greek-tragedy-gone-reality-TV.

Wondering out loud if Dicer would be interested in writing the screenplay, (or maybe too busy with the Olympic committee?)

More popcorn please. And gummy bears, I like gummy bears.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard update/correction:

Galt 5 Stick 1/2

info is up on Galt's site, kudos to him, an interesting read.

John Doe Soi4 says:

I have just read this weeks nonstick,

ummm , it seems to be written but someone with brains and not a crazed madman !
Does John Galt have a ghost writer ?

Still not sure what his problem is with Stick , but he prints a stort of a guy getting "ripped off" for 12k baht by Stick , Ok this is a whole $300 , not thousands , and it seems that Stick did his job of checking on the GF by hanging out at her bar , not sure what else he can do.

Anyway I am now wondering if the guy posting here is the same John Galt !

Ohh and who cares about web hits , is that what this is all about ?

Still confused on Soi 4 .....

Peenoi says:

David,
Has this been the longest shout-about ever in the history of MS?

Personally, I'll be man enough to admit that I'm a sucker for the gossip and following the soap for the last week or so has been a blessing in my otherwise dull life!

Yes Galt went over the line with the "Banana article" but I hope that there in the future will be bandwith enough to house both the Bangkok commentator and the suicidal from Chonburi!

I enjoy all their ramblings!

You gotta admire the stupidity/guts of JG, living 3 years in a small Thai society I've seen farangs chased out of town by locals with manchetes and pichforks all wacked up on Siam sato and Yaba before ...

Chok Dee,
Peenoi

John Doe Soi4 says:

no one wins in a pissing match ,
they both get wet and look stupid......

Stickman is doing the right thing , you cannot fight a cyber-bully by trying to have a logical conversation ,
Whatever you say back will be taken out of context , twisted and then you will have to answer that post , if you do not answer then it made to look like you have something to hide , if you do answer its picked apart and thrown back at you.
You cannot win that game ,
better to let it play out , and out of the public view .

Andy says:

Re Stick's weekly back on line - amazingly his school story with the grade swap is unchanged!

Ken Counsel says:

I suppose Galt feels pretty good about his vicious attack. I have not affection for Stickman, but IMHO, what Galt did was several kicks below the belt. What of any significance was accomplished and, more importantly, what was the point? Certainly not freedom of speech. If Galt disagreed with Stickman, he can state his point of view, and leave it to us to decide for ourselves. Or, does Galt think we're incapable of doing that too? Galt, have you not learned anything about dharma during your time spent in Thailand?

Chuck Woww says:

I'm starting to think this whole thing is winding down. Galt has got the attention he craved. Stick has figured out a way to keep the website going. And dicer sure does have a way with words. Best I've seen on David's site for a long time and I've seen a few.

Khon Tamada says:

Summary of the latest Galt entry:

- No Thai person outside of one that works in a bar could possibly understand that a banana is a phallic symbol so everyone chill

Galt, either you haven't left the bar in 5 years or you don't have much of a grasp of the Thai language. Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot you actually can't speak Thai....

- Stickman refused to be goaded into a web chat with me so I could post it online. See how vile and evil he is!!!

- Everyone please write to me and tell me if should I expose Stickman (again). In return I will tell you all who I am (despite the fact that you already know).

- Here's an email from a reader who wanted legal, medical, and similar info on a bargirl. Stick said he can't do that, which I agree he can't do. See how evil he is for charging money for so-called WORK!

- My numbers are up

- A princess rode past my office

- You know guys, I don't really want to be doing this Not Stickman stuff anyway. It really pains me to do so. I'm only doing it out of a great service to you guys. What I REALLY want to do is to get back to writing about business, in particular my absolutely oustanding investment opportunities which, as soon as I secure a steady readership thanks to this Stickman stuff (which I hate writing about), I will let you know more about.

Andrew Fox-Russell says:

Looks like Stick's site is up and running. Not sure if its been "edited", but he's running ads for his "investigation service" on it....KoolKing, does stick get another half a point?

Karl Hungus says:

My opinion is that the world is NOT better without Stick's site. Like other's have said, if Galt has a vendeta, he should have stepped up, been a man, and confronted Stick in person.

But instead, he created his pathetic tirade of a site like a little pussy. I predict he will "disappear" very soon. After all, this is Thailand and he made a very, very big mistake I assure you.

Galt has caused loss of face not only to Stick, but to many Thai people as well, some of which are not be be trifled with. The man is far more naive and stupid than can be imagined.

ThaidUp says:

Quoted from Tony
"I rather think that, despite what he says on his website, his business was failing. Successful business people do not have the time nor the inclination to get involved in something so petty. Most certainly, he has not earned the respect to inform others about running a small business in Thailand."

How right you are! This is just interesting entertainment like watching to Thai's fight it out. It beats the Thai TV Soap Opera's.

Both of these guys have excess time on their hands. Oh the life of an English teacher, sentenced to a do-gooder typical Thai wife, having to cattail to Thai staff and who is relinquished to getting his rocks off with country bumpkin bath-toweled ceiling starers.

Sit back and enjoy the show it may be just a power play by Trink for the two to self destruct in the hopes that he can reap the carnage for a few customers to his pay site.

stickfan says:

Looks like the score has changed. Stick 5, Galt 0. Stick's site is up again. He has the class not lower himself to responding to a self obsessed cyber cop. Who needs one more world policeman? The Thai workplace article still remains. Can't wait for next weekend’s column! Bye bye Galt! You had your one minute of fame. You are last weeks news.

Dicer says:

Anon,

Who was it that said, be hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise...thanks for the dewy eyed appreciation but it's a tad too much for my ego, which needs subduing somewhat.

and yes art of sewer is just that.... and why the term? because it just is.... if he was a bit light hearted, structured in his output and in the least bit visually engaging, like our host here, maybe, just maybe a search for another term could be triggered. Anyway bashing productivity (as opposed to creativity) is not always condoned so that's why I phrased it thus....wull sewer is a natural phenomena too you know.

... "Angry Randy" could be unaided cock or it could be a steaming railing primate or a steaming primate with unaided cock, either way unless it's a phrase thrown in by a yank or meant to be just a "style" it induces preternatural thoughts...no matter.

"Wondering out loud if Dicer would be interested in writing the screenplay, (or maybe too busy with the Olympic committee?)" - Liu Bei

Habanero!

Screenplay? Come on children. I think Lawrence Durrell to Henry Miller put it well: My dear Henry, the vulgarity of so much of it is artistically painful. These silly meaningless scenes which have no raison d'etre, no humour, just childish explosions of obscenity - what a pity, what a terrible pity...not to have a critical sense enough to husband your force. What on earth possessed you to leave so much twaddle in?

A question for all of us.

Miller replies: I'm trying to reproduce in words a block of my life which to me has the utmost significance - every bit of it. Not because I am infatuated with my ego. You should be able to perceive that only a man without ego could write thus about himself. (Or else I am really crazy. In which case, pray for me.)

And we do.

The competition here is to find out who the Ancient Mariner is between these two guys; They both have a hydraulic approach to life in Thailand, not to mention hookers. The bottom feeder Galt is a total egotist who has very little topic apart from himself in his sweet monotony. Stickman on the other hand appears like a shadow in a solipsist's dream, his contributors flit through his narrative, if there was one, and he merely plays the exhibitionist whose routine has not changed in five whole years apart from undipping himself from hookers only to do a Phillip Marlowe on them: "I don't mind if you don't like my manners babe. I don't like 'em myself. They're pretty bad....listen Noi if you throw a freebee my way the consequences can be altered." Well call it job perks, him humping Noi midcase on the go-go staircase... not to mention having to go home and mark tomorrow's papers and keep khunying Marlowe satisfied. The vagaries of the PI's life.

Things get going when Stickman meets a disgruntled farang. New farang immediately realises that Stickman is no ordinary man. In fact, these serial farangs' whole lives has been changed after the exposure to the hot radiance of Sticky (and the archangel Dana.) The only difference in Galt is it's the hookers who are due for a double trill. Unlike his grammar his astonishing hotel room technique is a national resource, like the Night Safari in Chiang Mai. Only rarely would a hooker realise that he is actualy a man as his earthly potency is exhausted after too many helpings.

Wull... self confession has an enormous appeal, but to make success of it it is mandatory to tell the truth. Everyone he meets either likes him or admires him. Hour after hour, day after day the mighty Galt goes orgasm after orgasm in his heady task. Never does he fail in bed and there is no relief for us. A true confessor has to be aware that not only is most of life failure, but in that failure and pettiness exists the drama (a saving grace for Sticky this one.)

A screenplay of post coitum absurdum between two men? naaa....

Viva la lascivo!

Graf says:

Looks like all the tough talkers on here that were so "maliciously" threatening Galt/Summers, have disapeared now that Stickman's site is back up. Bunch of whining, crying, faceless, cowardly, cyberspace junkies that just couldn't cope without their daily doses of Stickman.

Sad really. Threatening a man you don't even know, to defend another man that you don't know. Do any of you "sword swinging, keyboard warriors" believe that Stickman would defend you in any way. Hell... at least Galt makes an effort to stand up for readers.

stickfan2 says:

Ok so this must have caused stickman a headache, but what Galt will actually achieve is the opposite to what he intended. This will make stickmans site much more popular and get him new readers. Friends of mine who have never heard of him now want to see what all the fuss is about.

This could help stickman's readership grow extremely large extremely quickly!

You twat Galt.

HA Ha

Derukugi says:

Graf:
What? I can`t make sense out of your post.
Nobody has disappeared, and few said they were Stick afficionados, and who does Keith Summers "stand up" for anybody?
Weird post.

Mikejohnson says:

My e-mail sent to Galt:

the stickman.com is back up and I hope to see it reamain up.

Graf says:

Derukugi:
What I meant was... that in the last few days, many people posting on this thread, have been threatening physical violence to Galt/Summers. I don't completely agree with what Galt did, but I certainly don't agree with threatening to harm a man over some stupid shit he posted on a website.

Just because some people on here are Stickman afficionados, doesn't mean they have to try and fight Stick's battles for him. It's easy for these guys to talk tough while behind a keyboard. However, I'm pretty positive that these same guys that talk so much shit, would never actually go after Galt if they did see him in real life.

Surely you read all the threats on here from guys talking about being so "well connected" in Thailand, and how they would go as far as to hire some crazed Thais on motorcycles or whatever to take out this Galt/Summers guy. I say BULLSHIT.......

marklatham says:

Great news-galt/summers is in phnom penh.Choice bro...
Lets hope he sticks around!
I will be in PP in a few weeks with some heavy duty aussie/kiwi building workers who are stick fans-let's have a drink galt.
I better just let you know that we workers aren't too subtle-we call a spade a fucking shovel

Loose Cannon says:

Tap Tap
Tick Tock
Dudes on motorcycles
Picking up phones...
Pissing myself LOL
Two turds in a shitfight.

daniel says:

galt is a cheap shot, living on another's blood. no respect for such people. I'd hit him straight in the face when meeting him. nope, zero respect for such imitationists. not even his name of notstickman is original. what a waste this man is!

OXO says:

That’s just amazing David, Police given cart blanch kill then seriously question the “could he be a drug dealer”…. Monks having sex with dogs, ….1,000s dead from Tsunami, JonBenets (maybe) Killer working amongst us --Military coup, tanks in the street…etc etc……I can not see anything in the last 31 months postings that can compare with the amount of death threat letters & heat generated by the Stick story….as his predecessor would have said T.I.T

OXO

PS….I am just an over the hill bald headed retired fart living my dream here, honest guys…I really am neutral about the whole thing….. Please don’t track me down for pointing this out.

Anonymous says:

dicer: "A screenplay of post coitum absurdum between two men? naaa...."

Glad you're on board. I'll fly to LA immediately and start pitching.

bkkred says:

Bottom line is the stick wins...sites back up and running.never cave in to the bullies.played a perfect game ,completely ignored the guy....30 yards straight into the back of the net!
As someone once said 'when I want your opinion Ill give it to you', im looking at you mr summers.

Anonymous says:

Well done John Galt whomever you are.The Great Stickman will go down in history with Alexander The Great. Both of them share common ground. They started off being Great and ended up being porked up the derriere. Mr Stickman; the walking, breathing, self-proclaimed authority on how to pick up Thai women and seduce them mercilessly with predator-like instincts; is an internet has-been.

I feel sorry for the unwitting, sweet, innocent victims who have been jumped by dead beat English language teachers on pathetic English teacher's salaries simply because the Great Stickman taught them a few pickup tips. He has finally been sentenced to a deserved "down-trou" as they would say in the Kiwi vernacular. Bend over and take it like the Great Man you are Stickman. May your website Rest In Peace. Viva La John Galt!!!

Wombat says:

Its all about money. Standing ovation to Tony & Khon Tamada. Anyone with enough brains to accumulate some cash to invest is unlikely to entrust it to an egomaniac like Summers. No one is going to harm him either. Money & energy is far better spent in other pursuits. Point of disclosure. I am a Stickman fan.

dont like scumbags like keith says:

Keiths latest article is titled 'Middle Finger' and it goes down hill from there.

O yea, learned how to say fuck, pussy and cock in Thai.
I guess his target demographics are 13 year old perverts that take the short bus to school?

KoolKing says:

Scorecard:

Galt 6 Stick 1 & 1/2

Galt gets 1 point

Stick gets 1 point for having the English school rant up, could have received 4 points (2 for a current weekly article & 2 for having the reader's submissions online)

Note: Stick will receive 4 daily points if he gets his site completely working versus 1 for Galt due to the Stick site having much more content.

just the facts says:

Stickmans site is back up, better, updated, FULL of new revenue generating advertising. The FACT is that Stickman WON this fight, Gault/Summers LOST. Now that the hyped and intracine farang cat fight is over, its time to move on. At least we have Stickman to read daily, and Gault to snigger at until we forget him altogether.

Bill in San Diego says:

Nice to see the Stickman site up and running again. It has a wealth of information for anyone interested in Thailand. My favorite site is Mangosauce, however, which I find a bit more entertaining. I saw the copyright legal notice at the bottom of Stickman's homepage, which would lead me to believe Stickman takes his website quite seriously and will take whatever legal action is necessary to defend it. I would hate to be someone like "Galt" who does not even understand the Thai language, let alone Thai law, and have to defend myself in a Thai courtroom!

bulb says:

Definitely impressed by Mr. Galt's skills to play the judge about immoral behaviour on Bangkok based websites and the more about abusing innocent Thai citizens for said purpose I wish to pick up your invitation to invest some money in your motorcycle lamps business Johnnyboy , although maybe not to your benefit so to say; being a skilful businessman I ran a calculation whether it's worth the effort or not and what look what we have : sales in

August 131
September 157
October 111

These are transactions
just to look into the last 3 months on ebay's asiancycle . Not a big deal but enough for a decent living shagging the odd virgin here and there ; I would say it's worth being ruined anyway . Cheap stuff , Johnny , worth maybe 3 Dollars a pair in the land of the Yellow River , why bothering with Tailand unless one prefers Siamese girls ?? Economically , it's stupid .

There was something that crossed my mind all the time and , yes , here it is : The Department of Transportation USA , DOT , wants all lighting equipment used on the public road to come with an approval . I know Johnny , these come terribly expensive and take soooooo much time . So what do we do now , good question . Yes , we are honest merchants ( other than the ugly Stickman ) and put a little remark on our ebay template which says : Not DOT approved . So WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE JOHNNYBOY ; THIS IS ALMOST WORSE THAN THE STICKMAN TRYING A BIT OF PRODUCT PLACEMENT IN BETWEEN HIS RANTINGS. I am shocked , are you trying to find investors for a basically illegal product once being used in the United States ? No good , no good , I must tell the Stickman about this .

Your black turning signals for the Kawa are good sellers as well as the 5 mini signals same same Kawa . Maybe shall we start with those ? I'll sleep it over .

Johnny , please do not try to escape by opening new ebay accounts . I find you in a second and we should have a clean battle without collaterals .

I am neither a webmaser nor am I teaching English nor even living in Thailand . I just feel I got an opportunity to have some fun and that's what I am after .

See you , John , though it will take a bit of time , you understand that.I am your friend .

Bulb ,

the light in the darkness

Anonymous says:

SO I'm wondering if the death threat guys still plan to... you know, like kill him (summers) and stuff.

Where are those guys? They seem to have faded, no more ticks tocking. Farrangs are full of bile which manifests in a lot of hot air apparently. Maybe we could collect in and launch a balloon for those who missed Loy Khratong and then at least some good would come of it.

If I were Miss Galt I'd have been more than a little antsy that I might piss off the wrong Thai, one never knows which things will result in mai bpen rai and which not. It's not too late either with the evil genius brilliantly leaving all his own personal info exposed. Ooops I forget, Galt/Summers, in his five years, has amassed a massive knowledge of Thai culture and knows exactly where the lines are drawn, no problems there. But then, I am sooo not Miss Galt. The very idea makes me want an extra shower.

Lucky me, I'm not Miss Stick either.. I guess I'll never be an expert in Thai culture like these gentlemen, I don't visit the sexpat ghettos often enough.

Ah well all those menacing vigilantes will be in the screenplay, it needs a third act. The sexpats will be sorta like the beggars' union in old Fritz Lang films. Ultimately the high-flying protagonists will be pulled down by their sexpat minions, bloodkin for bloodkin.

I"m thinking keep the Galt-is-not-summers-but-is-really-Kyser-Soze thing, and everyone dies in the end, sorta like "The Departed."

Except Different.

CV says:

I wonder how long it will be before Summers and his one boyfriend will stop spamming Mangosauce.

William Mahanakorn says:

Like a shadow in a solipsist's dream, Dicer's prose is too purple to translate well on the silver screen. Much of it misses the point besides of the postcolonial dreams of largesse that attract readers to Stick in the first place. Rather than Miller, I suggest a good dose of Brecht before considering the vagaries of this sordid tale.

KoolKing says:

whoa, add 2 points to the Stick side, reader's submissions up and running.

I may lost my own bet.

stickboy says:

Did stickman even address the GALT BS on his site? It's kind of funny if he ignores it altogether.

BKK Writer says:

Keith is being setup. Just wait.
Some people just need to learn the hard way sometimes.
Good.

Anonymous says:

William Mahanakorn:

"Like a shadow in a solipsist's dream, Dicer's prose is too purple to translate well on the silver screen. Much of it misses the point besides of the postcolonial dreams of largesse that attract readers to Stick in the first place. Rather than Miller, I suggest a good dose of Brecht before considering the vagaries of this sordid tale."

Good point. If anyone has ever read Arthur C. Clarke's script for 2001, while his prose is considerably less colorful than Dicer's there is much in there that is simply not filmable. Dicer's fever dreams compound that problem exponentially.

The Brecht note is a good one Additionally "Threepenny Opera's" beggars union (GW Pabst did the film version I believe) is a good basis for the sexpat's union, the lynch mob that eventually pulls summers down.

For one hot second I thought "musical" but as much as I loved "The Singing Detective" art films rarely put butts in the seats. No, we need to make this a hard-boiled neo-noir, more "Chinatown" than "Singing Detective."

So still fishing for a writer and no immediate ideas for a director but on to casting as attaching the right cast is what will get the picture made.

I see Stick played by Ed Norton, Stick as he sees himself, the Marlowe-esque private dick, Russel Crowe.

Summers will be played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman, and the *real* Great Galt by Christian Bale.

The keyboard warriors will include Crispin Glover,

And the key lager lout the psycho who will bring down Summers Vinnie Jones.

There are still some juicy roles up for grabs, my people will be working the phones overtime.

The various and sundry bargirls presents a headache--are there enough Asian actresses in Hollywood to satisfy these two alphas? I think not. perhaps Pasolini-style, cast locals. Bargirls are great actors, if buffalo repair kit sales figures are to be believed.

Any suggestions for the X meets Y pitch are appreciated...

AdNauseum says:

What a pathetic storm in a fuckin teacup. Are expat lives so small that this childish dust-up with powder puffs is the best entertainment available?

Girls, girls.....

philH says:

"reader's submissions up and running"! Fuck me, hold the front page this is bigger than Elvis is alive!

To paraphrase Winnie (Churchill) "never before in the field of human conflict has so much shite been spouted by so many about so few".

Dean Barrett says:

Keith Summers asks on his site if he should out Stickman by name and tell us where he is teaching. Actually, Keith, a lot of us know his name and anyone with a real life doesn't give a flying fuck where the guy is teaching. You say he was "in denial" because he wasn't contacting you when you started up your website. But did it ever occur to you that a married guy writing a website and teaching and doing whatever else in life was simply busy? And then when he suggested you speak together on the phone, you showed the true nature of the coward you are by refusing; in other words, a keyboard warrior only. You say you want higher teaching standards but then subject students to ridicule by placing their pictures with sexually suggestive bananas on your site. What you are, Keith, is a benighted narcissist mongoloid clusterfuck phoney, who has made an ass out of himself before thousands of people. Now, foul droppings of a misbegotten she-pig that you are, go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.

Jugmai says:

This is tread has been funnier than a Thai soap opera...keep it up guys!

Derukugi says:

Sorry if someone pointed this out already, but on the front page of his last production, K. Summers justifies why he is after Stick. He shows a photo of a cute young munchkin and explains: "I love the kids. This is why I have such a stern opinion about schools doing it right in Thailand."
Yeah, right. Keith Summers, self-declared protector of educational standards and virgin stalker. Boahahahahahaha
"Full of it" is the English word for that, no?

raoul says:

Hey guys! Wake up!!!!!

How do you think Stick and Whos Your Daddy investigate the bargirl? They offer to pay her bar and if she is pretty one of them bangs her. That to me is pathetic and disgusting and Stick and Whos Your Daddy should fry just for that. How would you feel is you are trying to really find out about a woman – the woman you love - and the person you pay to find out pays her your money to bang her?

[Raoul - You're dressing up speculation as fact. There is no evidence that Stick has done any such thing - David]

Most guys who marry bargirls are idiots but the people who are more stupid than that rely on a fraud like Stick and Whos Your Daddy claiming to be investigators..

Galt is giving Stick a chance to correct things although many don't like the way he did it.

If Galt just wanted to cause trouble for Stick he would have gone to immigration and the revenue folks. Stick does not have a work permit to do investigation and has not paid taxes on the income from either the web page or the bargirl investigation scam he has going.

[Raoul - You're speculating again. Have you seen Stick's tax return? I doubt it - David]

Lets see, he does four investigations per weekend and has been doing it for three years............shit!!! Stick could owe millions of baht in tax if my calculator is correct.

Sticks problems are just starting and he is making his situation far worse – as well as confirming he is not too smart- by bringing his web site back up so quickly to try to offset the loss of income now that he can no longer teach.

Forget the movie....but if it did go forward I would nominate Pee Wee Herman for the role of Stick. The problem is that Pee Wees' masturbation arrest some years ago lends an air of masculinity to the Stick character that I don't think the real Stick deserves..

cman says:

Keith Summers is looking less like a master arch villain and more like a simple, unmitigated bozo. He's akin to the bank robber who hands the teller a stick-up note with his name and address on the back. Or the kid who who gets his friends to video his amazing skateboard feat, only to end up smashig his face into the wall.

I for one hope the Kieth Summer's Show of Self-Destruction continues: this is entertaining stuff.

Bulb says:

What's going on John , only 31 sales this month . You been buzy with other things ?? I start to think if somebody comes along with a 12 USD offer for both the Kawa - lights it's going to get tough what do you think ? They are more of half your sales .

Will see what I can do for you , I'll take a week off , vacation .

Bulb

Chilli Paste says:

Galt has been treading a fine line and is already being duped by folks who think they are his Internet buddies.

Send a mail to Galt and just tell him how great he is and he sends out all his personal information!

What a complete twat!

I sent a mail to Galt (summers) recently congratulating him on a terrific site! Got a couple of insightful mails from Galt back - Prick thought i was a true fan if his!

In his latest waffles, he is again asking that fans of his contact him by e-mail!

I advise too that stickman fans really f*** this guy over (even further) and send him lots of 'Glory to the great Galt' e-mails!

Get into correspondance from the guy and he will be inviting you out for dinner!

Galt is a complete sucker with a huge ego -

Try it, write Galt and just inform him how brilliant he is!

I pissed myself with the stuff he told me and i advise that others do the same!!

Eniac says:

Nice one Chilli Paste.

He might not fall for that trick again so please post the correspondence here to give us all a laugh.

Codejunkie says:

Why not bury his gmail account alltogether? A gmail account has appr. 2700 MB of storage. Do the math and all of you send him a few megabytes every day or so. His web hosting account is registered under NotStickmanBangkok@gmail.com(*) as well so he will be forced to change this too. Have a bit of fun. You know you want to :-)

* his login username that is

Codejunkie says:

You might try that with another email account of his as well: Keith@WorldSearchNetwork.com

Bulb says:

raoul ,

absolutely brilliant aspect : does Stick pay taxes , the sucker ??

Q: Does the BIG GALT ? And where ?

Shall we say I am a Thai resident operating on a visa that allows (?)me to run a , argh , manufacturing business for motorcycle lights . Cost 5 USD , sales prices 24,90 so far . US customer pays into paypal somewhere , company based in Thailand . I wouldn't pay any taxes if you ask me . But that's just me . I am sure the BIG GALT , inventor of website-morale , is a dedicated taxpayer . The more the better.

Bulb

whosyourdaddy says:

Raoul

Just for the record. Nothing against you or your opinion. You certainly have a right to disagree and we probably share many of the same viewpoints on this subject. But just the facts... I have never done an investigation or a write up or stickman pictures or added anything to his personal site other than share a story over a beverage with stickman. And the last time I did that was probably a few years ago. Considering I dont go out drinking, I doubt we will get the opportunity to do it again in the future. You might have noticed that stickman has not mentioned me in a few years on his weekly, there is a reason for that. Take care and good luck

WYD

Bill in San Diego says:

Anybody want to invest in a bar with "The Galt", so he can go on his Virgin Quest? He's really getting tired of sitting at his molding machine, and I think the fumes may be causing him some brain damage and hair loss. Maybe then he would leave poor old Stickman alone!

Dicer says:

"Like a shadow in a solipsist's dream, Dicer's prose is too purple to translate well on the silver screen. Much of it misses the point besides of the postcolonial dreams of largesse that attract readers to Stick in the first place. Rather than Miller, I suggest a good dose of Brecht before considering the vagaries of this sordid tale." - William Mahanakorn

"Dicer's fever dreams compound that problem exponentially." - Anonymous

Misses the point? What point would that be Mr Magnum of Chloroform?

In case you didn't get it I make asides and digressions and not lose my head in your plots and counter plots here. At least half of the talmud above consists of tributes to the wonder of Stickman. Lumpen folk realise that he IS. At a glance the professionally clueless realise that he KNOWS. Galt on the other hand, your mates say, is a yet to be sung hero whose sexual virility is only the sign of a greater power, which he hasn't begun to use. Now we dont quite know what this power is, but from your "missed point" it must be something pretty much super and marked by some profundity that escapes me because only you and your mates can hear the low frequency it is humming at. So both or one of them is irresistible to you and the 2001 fan who is crisply awake. Yet Galt never seems to do anything for anyone, other than to provide moments of sexual glory and peddle plastic appliances. He does however talk a lot (like all of us) except he is anxious if the people are going to be addicted to his conversation, just as they are to Stick's: "Dont stop talking now Stick, please dont," beg the strumpet rooters in a collective manic mood.

So you and your Anonymous mimicry here, who is waiting to be patented as a formula for rocket fuel I'm sure, think there is some overarching theme here...my my what could it be? Let me guess:

Lurking pale and wan in this jungle of flapping cunts nothing would be bad or ugly or evil if we let ourselves go strumpeting away in the sewer, except for the receipts of clapoir bubo and an interlarded brain that stays in stasis. And then for the thousand madmen here this joy of ecstasy in a world of raining hookers is founded on something too profound to be understood and shared??

Is that the point?

or

How about: sex and madness go hand in hand.

For you people who boast to write nothing but the truth I find it more than odd that not once anywhere does someone say to these people and their blind followers: "you are all full of shit." Do you seek that East German and his demotic writing to tell you the same in German? When you lot climb the old cracker barrel you get too fancy indeed, sentences swell and bellow, engulfing syntax and talk of screenplays and literary references. I referred to Miller et al for the subjects' ego-expulsion and shite control not to wax lyrical about films.

You can work Sticky and Galt for all the Cosmos' worth, but my "fever" metre still says: You are too desperate in your rosy moments to tut-tut platitudes or invoke high mysteries, you feeler bastards who are short of sense; what is seen here is the virtue of feeling and ego stroking as opposed to the vice of thinking. Is it not so?

You lot pissing in your shared wine-dark bath think these two guys are the new hip obscenity. Well hightime for some motivated fella like yourself to start a blog and venture out into Sneerville's countryside in search of mutants with virginal smiles. And if noone wants to listen to your nasal whine you could pound your big screenplay drum. The storyline goes like: Over the years a river of hookers come and go, a number of claps are contracted. Apartments are moved into and out of, (or jumped from as the case maybe.) And you disappear with no trace. And we are insufficiently tickled in our funny-bones. And the curtain falls. A time honoured recipe.

After all one of the few remaining goals in our lava age is to have more shags listed in the spreadsheet. The failure to achieve it, of course, ensures jobs for dodgy shrinks and step-guide websites. And the more you are surrounded by these moon-guided mutant tarts who are at their best when they are not thinking at all, just being and following the pack leader the more you feel you have to share warts and all in your obsession of depressing singularity.

Hooker chasers are like monodirectional cockroaches. Place an obstacle in front of them and they scurry off to read worldsexguide stickman, Galt arsemagma.com anything.

On a happy note though, Mr Magnum Chloroform, it is ever so enchanting to see so many writers here imbued with paralyzing stupidity, splitting their infinitives, in everyside conterfeit thoughts flooding the exchange. But at least you do us service by refering yourselves in this manner and style which makes it easier for students of rhetoric to identify you. And for me to visualise you as that amoebae from an invidious place, which when boxed upon a slide stops its anarchic zooming about and makes perfect right angles, as tribute to an imposed environment. Or maybe visualise you as the alter ego of Bobby Peru, remember him.... from the David Lynch film Wild at Heart. I'm not sure which. But we do sympathise with your passion to be admired in your search for screenplays.

And I wont be the one to advise for an eye to reducing the verbiage. Au contraire, more of it.... But please, stop telling us what we already know and has been said a zillion times!

Is it me or the more people talk about Stickman the more I think the topic is about a mutated Jerry Springer. Esp the screams and his "thoughts" section.

Today's Quiz:

So who would you rather be accosted by:-

a)sneering slappers
b)ovulating slags
c)nipping menopausal khunyings
d)lactating tarts
e)pracham duan bintlets

If you fail the test you'll be violated by an English teacher armed with gerunds and a lecherous appliance salesmen armed with erm, an appliance? :/

Yesterday's winner will get a free 500 baht worth of 2 hour conversation with the world-weary mamasan of Suzy Wong. Topics include, the permissive kindergarten, being shot from a cannon by a bunch of naked hookers onto a fragile net, kitchens in Issan, how to strip an overdressed hooker, the poetry of William Mcgonagall. I've been told that she's partial to famous Scots.

Submissions: No Comments.

P.S. I attribute these misfits' failure not only to their estrangement from their own countries but to the country that they have chosen to live in..... oh me oh my....let the contempt be there.

Habanero!

In the local Tesco a young employee married another...kind of a nice sneery sulking young couple. Had the reception right in the coupon cafe and noddle soup. Should have asked what the sing sot was. Anyway to make it official they had a kid sit with a laptop and put up a microphone and of course the guests just had to do a tune or two. Well, it was like somehow slowly killing chicken. Why do they think they can sing. Are tonal people atonal?

The staff already senses I am not crazy about them so when I exited past the wedding bunch with some fat mama howling away in tortured tones I made some faces, not mutant faces, nope, my own of ears being wrecked, the head shaking .... yelp yelp....

Viva la mutante!

KoolKing says:

Scorecard

Galt 7 Stick 5 & 1/2

Some more reader submissions on the Stick site, if his main column appears soon, he'll gain a likely unbeatable advantage. Will also award 2 extra points to Stick if he offers up some information on the "battle royale" taking place. Taking the high road gets zero points.

Jon says:

Viva mangosauce! Saved from an afternoon of work!

Anonymous says:

"...Taking the high road gets zero points."

Taking the high road is why Stick, after all these years, is still in business, and Summers, after 15 minutes of fame, is looking over his shoulders.

Off The Wall says:

What a bunch of words that dicer fella had flowing to his fingertips, a real talent that guy.

Anyway, I'm here to talk to the cunt. (aka Keith Summers) Concerned for all has already gave you the best deal you're going to get buy you blew it so now it's expired. Here's the new deal.

Take your site DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN by noon tomorrow. Leave it down. APologise to Stick and those involved. An apology letter must be pre-aprroved b Concerned for All. He likes endings like this..

If you don't. then skeltons will come from our closet, along with video tapes, tapes, papers, witness statements.. and be given to several entities. This might be the Bangkok Post, Immigration, police cheif, etc.

These will be edited to not involve your business partners and assocciates, and Concerned for all thinks it will work. However, if he must then an unredacted package will be released much to the concern of your business partners. I think they'll be upset you got them involved, but thst becomes your problem if you act too slowy.

And yes there's more. We know everything you've done for the last 7 years (more years as we work), where you worked, who for, "other" businesses ou worked for who didn't pay taxes., client inputs (these were fun), taxes paid, not paid, bank info.. we know it down to our favourite "massage" lady.. uh huh.. Ex's, divorce court docs (interesting reading)civil court papers. even ran a 28/29 on our perv.. I'll save that for last.. icing on the cake so to speak..

Friends of the cunt.. get him to see the light. He doesn't have to self desruct. We're not vindictive like he is, but we are practical. We won't make you do silly things like walk around Bangkok naked, unless you're really stubbron..

Tis time to pay the piper.. Concerned for all sends his regards. He'd have loved to be here, but he was working on something concerning this topic which is extraordinary..

Stand by sports fans.. things are about to get goo...;o)

Off the wall. YEP. I am.

Don says:

To all of you insisting that Stickman is unfazed, and that his site is back up, I just want to know why there was no content from last Sunday. We will see if he's got it together later today.
As far as Dean Barrett's blasting of Galt... Ummm isn't he one of the "authors" that is constantly being plugged by the stickman? Barrett forgot his disclaimer.

Magnum of Chloroform (nee William Mahanakorn) says:

"Sentences swell and bellow, engulfing syntax and talk of screenplays and literary references. I referred to Miller et al for the subjects' ego-expulsion and shite control not to wax lyrical about films." -- Dicer

How my three or four sentences unleashed your paroxysm of syphyllitic, drool-worthy pap is beyond me. Sex and madness go hand and hand? Is that the best you, in your unnuanced and slippery morality, can do? Though in the end I suppose it takes one who knows about ego-expulsion and 'shite' control......to know one.

Derukugi says:

Koolking,
I don`t understand your scorecard. Doesn`t make sense to me.

Gateway says:

Is it possible to "like" the Stickman and the Notstickman - their sites and content.
I certainly do. Both are very entertaining and informative.
For someone who has to access information from O/S the world is a better place for both of them, controversy and all.

Of course i am making no comment on the morals of either of them - it's none of my business.

Regards to all

Liu Bei says:

Off the Wall... Back on track, I thought I was going to have to make up the parts about body counts.

Liu Bei says:

Dicer: "So you and your Anonymous mimicry here, who is waiting to be patented as a formula for rocket fuel I'm sure, think there is some overarching theme here..."

Anonymous mimicry? Not that much less or more anonymous if I don't forget to add the name Liu Bei.

What mimicry exactly?

I merely liked the idea of stealing elements from Brecht, specifically the union of beggars, and by no means do I preclude incorporating the ego expulsion and shite control.

I also agreed that you'd suck ass as a screenwriter solely because your meanderings, however enjoyable, aren't filmable. Apologies if that wasn't clear, although I suspect it was howlingly obvious and you were merely exercising creative license in slanting your latest rant.

As for the "point" why do I need or want "meaning" for a screenplay? I'd rather make a movie than a film. Films play 'arthouses.'

"You are too desperate in your rosy moments to tut-tut platitudes or invoke high mysteries, you feeler bastards who are short of sense;"

I'm not interested in platitudes or high mysteries, it's the Jerry Springer aspect that puts butts in the seats.

Nasty Nick says:

Hey Guys your missing the point here.

Stickman got too big for his boots and sooner or later he was going to get hurt. Education of Kids is the most important thing here even the most hardened man will supprot that fact. To try mixing this with the dark side of Bangkok bar world and hookers just does not mix. Stickman has a simple choice here he can stay teaching and let the bulk of his site go or he can give up teaching get a new visa but he cant continue to do both.

Gault has done his work and he has nothing to lose If he does post pictures of himself and Stickman he will not lose anything.

For balls Gault has my vote Stickman had this comming a long time but got to greedy to see it.

Saeb says:

And what's wrong with Maconnagol (see, he could'nt spell either!!).
As a Dundonian he proved the point that one does not to be literate to gain certain notoriety - much like the current spat here.

I love the death threats bits and the I am an "Influential Figure" bits.
Cracks me up no end - tossers.
Carry on chaps and remember to keep your eyes open when masturbating in front of a mirror.
You may find it enhances the experience.

John Galt says:

I just saw the posting today from "Off the Wall".

You have information about my favorite "massage" lady? Did I not pay the VAT on her or something? Let's see what Stickman has to say today and we'll go from there. IF he has anything to say.

I don't have time to keep up with all the comments here but I will respond to the Tax questions. Yes, I pay Taxes every month. Income Tax on myself. Social Security on myself, SS on Employees and VAT taxes on the business, and once a year, income taxes on the business. Due to my personal taxes, they tell me my medical needs are covered and I'll have Thai pension in some number of years. LOL. It's Ok with me if those are the rules.

Please do post any real email from me. I don't write anything to anyone that I wouldn't want getting back to Stick. Do you really think that I would divulge anything sensitive to a stranger? Let's see what sensitive stuff I told you? Post it.

Jack Wow says:

The middle finger
That feeling of helplessness

zzz zzz

More Sai-tai tiger style articles please.

Benny the Pen says:

I have to agree with the comments here that Stickman will have to give up either teaching or his internet-franchise. I do not know how much real or potential revenue he gets from either but he should probably make up his mind soon. I cannot see that it is tenable that he continues doing both.
I also see nothing wrong with Galt "outing" him. What is the crime in that? Stickman has a public function which is to teacher English to Thai youngsters - I bet Thai parents would like to know if he is very involved with the Thai nightlife industry. This is another item that Galt has been pointing out - that his internet business is increasingly developing ties with bar owners from which both profit.
How would parents in the UK feel if a teacher in a Primary or Secondary school was revealed to be behind a website recommending escorts or lapdancing clubs?? The tabloids would relish such a story and have no qualms about publishing the full details of such a teacher. He would subsequently be dismissed - with government approval. I cannot see why Thai parents should not be made aware of similar goings-on in their schools.

Andrew Fox-Russell says:

Well, stick's column is up as usual this week. It looks like business as usual.....

Derukugi says:

Keith Summers,
just go away, please. Bye!

Liu Bei says:

Run for your life, Summers! The shadowy figure known as "Galt" is setting you up!

NASTY NICK: "Hey Guys your missing the point here."

If the point is that petty tug-of-wars between pathetic egomaniacal whoremongers have a point, then yep missed it.

Sorry, my bad, thanks buh-bye.

SAEB: Dicer can't spell for shit, true, but c'mon be generous the Dicer rants are damn fine read.

Wombat says:

He's back & in great form. Look forward to Kool King & his latest update on the score. Unfathomable & complex though it is. Saeb why would anyone need to masturbate in Thailand & in front of a mirror? Unless they had a deep seated need to have sex with someone they loved

Dicer says:

"Anonymous mimicry? Not that much less or more anonymous if I don't forget to add the name Liu Bei." - Lui Bei

It helps if people stick the same name under thier comments as it builds a longer, rounded view..... hmm. well with all the verbiage here it's not easy to remember who said what so.....

"I merely liked the idea of stealing elements from Brecht, specifically the union of beggars, and by no means do I preclude incorporating the ego expulsion and shite control."

gotcha...

"I also agreed that you'd suck ass as a screenwriter solely because your meanderings, however enjoyable, aren't filmable. "

yes, yes.....I stand no chance as a screenwriter...all that feeling.... I was using what was said as a vehicle....having said that though the number of silly comments from a lot of ppl is amazing....but Choloroform's diversion is expected, even portentious.

"Apologies if that wasn't clear, although I suspect it was howlingly obvious and you were merely exercising creative license in slanting your latest rant. "

No worries. yeah and I try not to miss a chance...a chance for what? well, a chance to see this place for exactly what it is.

"As for the "point" why do I need or want "meaning" for a screenplay? I'd rather make a movie than a film. Films play 'arthouses.' "

Peter Greenaway is the person to approach.... if he's still around.

"I'm not interested in platitudes or high mysteries, it's the Jerry Springer aspect that puts butts in the seats. "

Have you seen the Jerry Springer the opera? 4 or 5mg of diproxine would help while you're watching.

cheers.

Dicer says:

What's better than a talking misfit? A spelling bee, kids....

"And what's wrong with Maconnagol (see, he could'nt spell either!!).
" - Saeb

In my last book I have this character called Kii Saeb. A sort of a cross between Lord Jim and Vladimir.... Not sure if you are Lord Jimming it or Vladimoire...

McGONAGALL's merit is toooo ephemeral to discuss here so here just for you Kii Saeb...

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/

"SAEB: Dicer can't spell for shit, true, but c'mon be generous the Dicer rants are damn fine read."

Arent we all getting chummy here...shouldnt we be slinging buffalo poop on each other....

KoolKing says:

Scorecard *Stick Ties the Score*

Galt 7.5 Stick 7.5

Basically, Galt can only earn one point per day due to limited content on his site (have awarded him a half point though for commenting recently here on MangoSauce) while Stick can earn 4 points per day due to extensive content. Galt had an early and substantial lead as the Stick site was down. Stick is currently getting 2 points but will get 4 points per day if his weekly column gets published. My system is just that, it's mine and makes some sort of sense, at least to me.

I am going to add a "bravery index" starting tomorrow. Details to follow.

Liu Bei says:

Apologies on the accidentally-anonymous comments above (2 of 'em) sloppy work, not trying to sneak below the radar--just not used to websites where you don't sign in.

One was casting Stickman-vs-Galt the movie, the other, started:

"SO I'm wondering if the death threat guys still plan to... you know, like kill him (summers) and stuff. "

I'm sure all have been on pins and needles wondering who the anonymous poster was.

that's me too. A confession though? Liu Bei is not my real name. Liu Bei died a few centuries ago, I doubt he'll mind, but I decided to write a blog, and eagerly await some cunt to expose my real identity and my true-life outrageous exploits in Thailand (including such horrors as not playing private dick, not shagging bargirls, not having any giks or mia nois and generally having an all-round boring personal life and not even having any visa problems. I am sure, once outed, some outraged sex tourist will snuff out my life for wasting a valuable apartment/visa in Thailand)

...

Mr Lucky says:

Stick's site is back. The drama's over. Move along folks. Nothing to see here...

Anonymous says:

DICER:

Have not seen "Jerry Springer: The Opera." Upon doing so, will heed prescription.

Not a Greenaway fan, I find some aspects of his work visually arbitrary. Still searching for a director... Too seamy for Gondry, too character-driven for Gilliam, quickly running out of Gs.

Meanwhile, back at the buffalo-shit-slinging ranch:

After Stickman weighing in with a tepid allegory, I still haven't lost faith, and breathlessly await an attempt to up the ante by either Stickman's toughs or Galt/Summers' apologists...

Anon says:

Todays Gem:
"Hooker chasers are like monodirectional cockroaches. Place an obstacle in front of them and they scurry off..."

I quickly looked down at that cockroach at the bottom right of the page. I could keep quoting, but it's all there. So what is the title of the book Dicer or you dont want to say?

Chuck Woww says:

Anonymous should try pitching the screenplay to Jonathan Glazer. He's the bloke who made 'Sexy Beast'. Guy Ritchie is probably too busy changing nappies.

Dicer says:

"So what is the title of the book Dicer or you dont want to say?"

My consanguinity to the subjects forbids my candour. Otherwise I'd be selling copies here and sharing revenue with the host haha.... it's in all Thai bookstores... speaking of which, when it first appeared I was ever so anxious if I'd offended anyone in smileland as you never know how people take the stuff. Although written under a pen name I still had reservations. Funny thing was the locals were as comatose as they usually are and a few screams were heard from intemperate farangs followed by a big yawn and that was that....

We're all going to live happily like colourful flowers in a college garden and some, only some one would hope, will end up weeping willows not knowing sadness from melancholy or the difference between dullness and the source of it.

Here is another one to stack up on top. A mid 60s chump from Oklahoma who was a civilian employee of the navy in Yokuska, Japan retires to northern Thailand. Strong opinionated type, knows what he wants, spends awful lot of time playing his guitar at home and on a rare trip to bkk meets a Robinson makeup girl from Ubon. Nuptials are arranged and the 28 yo sao and child trek up north to live with the beau. Geezer is not so keen on the bird learning English as he'd want to improve his Thai. Anyway he doesnt like rice and is an Atkins freak. Ubon lass is obviously somtam and namprik everyday so a month on she gets fed up doing his steak and tantrums begin, and mother shows up all of a sudden and he's out of the loop....a vacuum is there and he gets the treatment... Got me thinking. Never met a foreigner with a Thai wife who will ask his permission before her mother or siblings camp in his house.. Now what is dog psychology reaaaaaaaly about..... You can have the perfect plan for your tart, train her with action (brooding and in the evening going "hey love could I have a word" wont work).... but your program for her is not going to work if you dont have a program for her mother, her kid, her sister and on and on...you have to take over the entire family and do your puppet show. Otherwise the mother can override you by manupilating her daughter. Esp if the sao is under 26 and somewhat immature as they all are..... So even a super alpha male with a strong self respect and plan can not just train his tart and then delegate for the household to be taken care of... wont work here..... you have to be gritty (plucky too) creative with her but most of all you have to be at it all the time....sounds like a full time job eh....

So I suggested this to the chump: when they show up unexpected (by you) bring them in and tell them exactly where to sit and look at them.... no faces...they'll pick up the bad energy and think twice before they mess with you again..... you improvise, never ever leave the centre and go stare at the tv with beer in hand as most of these idiots do.... if someone suddenly shows up, be on top, get over the shock quickly....

This one other guy is a DEA chap who knew everything...no story would surprise him, spun his tart in any direction and one day they had an argument and she decided to take a break from him. There he was in the house, the strong virile man giving instructions to the maids and they just looked at him... and did nothing.... what do you do. At the end of the day there is a fine line between being creative with other people's culture and superimposing your own, which wont work....

Maybe Liu Bei's bird asks for permission?

Speaking of the moniker, wouldnt Cao Cao be more appropriate to Thailand?

Liu Bei (aka Anonymous) says:

Dammit I'm a moron I did it AGAIN.

Glazer's a good choice for director yes. 'Sexy Beast' was hot shit.

FYI everyone else please refrain from using the name 'Anonymous,' I got dibs.

raoul says:

Whos Your Daddy

What an interesting post and I appreciate your understanding here! Know ye the truth and the truth will set you free!

For the record, you state that you were not with Stick in Soi Nana a few weeks back with a video camera?

People (not me) have printed out the pictures of Stick and you that have been mentioned before. People (again, not me) have shown those pictures to people in bars.

Please think again and state, for the record, that you don't go out drinking in light of the startling revelation that you and Stick are recognized in a lot of places.

Off The Wall says:

Hey Little Cunt Man - (aka Keith Summers)

I love how easy it is to get under your skin. What a pussy. (aka cunt)

My timing, my terms. Are you really so fucking stupid to think you can hide from your past? Especially when it's so well recorded?

Big virgin hunter.. How embarrassed you will be when people find out you've been hunting on a fenced-in private reserve.. kinda like shooting fish in a barrel isn't it? I understand though, people like you can't get girls on their own so... click click.. what a cunt. Should'a left the children alone though..

My time, my terms.. meanwhile you dangle on the string you pathetic worm.

Totally Off The Wall...

Liu Bei says:

Cao Cao's bird doesn't ask permission before inviting her family over.

Regarding the moniker, I like Sichuan food.

faatm says:

This Off The Wall bloke sounds like a total clown ...what a big big man you sound like Mr Off The Wall.
I take no sides in an arguement that is none of my business , but people like you should fuck off!!

Anna Key says:

Good grief. This Galt/ Summers / Dicer mullarkey is worth it just to read the tortured prose. Their writing is embarrassing and child-like. The cringe factor is off the scale.

(Note: a thesaurus is not going to turn you into any kind of writer, boys.)

Dean Barrett says:

No, Don, I am not one of the "authors" being plugged by Stickman. Anyone who has read his column knows he likes the writing of Jake Needham. What Stickman does is occasionally let his readers know when a writer is having a book signing and where. I provide the same service for other writers in my column. These are simple news announcements. The writers owe me nothing in return and I owe Stickman nothing. And whenever someone like Galt has made my blood boil and I decide to lash out I always use my real name. What you see is what you get.

jesse venturer says:

if you want to know stickman and the people he hangs out with, go to sukhumvit soi 5 on friday nights.

gullivers is the name of the hangout.

don't be surprised if you see dean barrett there as he sucks up to stick like a sidekick.

..and I'm not talking about the batman and robin type of "sidekick".

Mike says:

Hey Galt:

Why don't you just focus on making a great site. I understand having to attack Stick as a ploy to get readers, but at some point don't you think you could move on? I really hope this isn't the crusade that you have chosen. Of all the evils in the world your claims about the so called evils of Stick are rather small don't you think? Or are you intent on playing the typically whiney American that the whole world hates right now, and put up your middle finger like a child?

How about rather than judging others you start with yourself. List for us all of your faults. What was your background? How did you get to live such a life of privilege? Maybe focus on that for awhile rather than dedicating your life to Stick or anyone else. I actually think you are capable of having a really informative site. Its a harder path though, as you will have to build good content, rather than just resting on attacks of another. If your site really is better than Sticks and your information superior then you won't need to even mention him, people will know just by the quality of your site.

So, are you up for that or will your continue to opt for the easier path of childish hate?

Graf says:

Off the Wall sounds like a first class bullshitter. I'm sure he's really a cocksucking, butt-fucking drag queen.

Off the Wall said.....
"My timing, my terms. Are you really so fucking stupid to think you can hide from your past? Especially when it's so well recorded?"

He's probably squeezing one off while WISHING that he ACTUALLY KNEW something about Galt/Summers. Get a life you pathetic looser! The only thing you know about Galt is his name. Keith Summers... WOW... big one there.

BTW, where do you plan on posting this "big information" you have? I'll tell you right now that MangoSauce will NOT allow this info. to be posted on their webpage. Nice try anyways dickweed.

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[Graf - That will be my decision, not yours - David]

Liu Bei (aka Anonymous) says:

Now that's more like it guys!

When do the sharks and the jets--errrr, I mean the Galts and the Sticks--rumble??

Or are all these sycophants the keyboard warriors they appear to be?

C'mon, where's the body count? We need a third act here.

Carrie says:

This whole thing is highly entertaining. It is so amusing to see this Galt guy make a total tit of himself in front of thousands of farangs in Thailand and all over the world. Sickman has clearly won this battle. What's with Galt's boyfriend Graf? He's coming across as a right little butt fucking mummy's boy. LOL.

Boo says:

Stickmanbangkok.com is rubbish and shows all farangs in a bad light. Someone should report it and get it banned on the ISPs in Thailand. Teachers and hookers on the same sight? Deportation could loom on
the horizon.....

Gluay Yao says:

So Galt, can you (under any one of the names you're using) fess up and tell us the REAL reason why you started the site?

Saeb says:

ATTN: Liu Bei:
Irony is lost someplace......as a Scot I like Maconagoll (spelling heh-heh)like I like bagpipes.
They exist but not often to be appreciated.
I am no critic of Dicer - he should be published, but should also read others posts more closely.

DICER: I never said that you could'nt spell for shit; Please re-read.
Ta for that.

WOMBAT: The point is that death threat merchants are masturbatory fantasists.
It is a proven fact that the make believe tough guys have great problems forming any form of relationship except with their own self image.
Idiots - the amount of times that clowns like that have threatend to see me off - well, I don't have enough fingers and thumbs to count the total.

Could start using my toes I suppose to get the total.
I just crack up whenever I hear one of these supposed (farang) gangsters.
Tough as a sloppy turd.

ATTN: Liu Bei.
Shichuan food is ace!.
Ms S is Hunnanese and they do some pretty fiery nosh as well.

tracjer says:

see stick' site is having technical difficulties...

if you look at the page source seems there is a reference to a computing tracking co so looks like Stick is trying to find out where Galt lives upcountry to have a little talk with him, perhaps?

dannyboy says:

Stickman down again due to !technical difficulties!

Dicer says:

DICER: I never said that you could'nt spell for shit; Please re-read.
Ta for that.

yes yes, let's not lose our skimpy knickers in the sand like flustered Anna above... got you first time... Saxons cringe, roll and whimper...maybe Scots will take the lead in the alpha battle.

Liu Bei (aka Anonymous) says:

SAEB: "I am no critic of Dicer - he should be published, but should also read others posts more closely."

You noticed that too, huh? ;)

SAEB,"DICER: I never said that you could'nt spell for shit; Please re-read.
Ta for that."

Yep that'd be me.

Qualified however: it's an unimaginative mind that can only spell a word one way. (Apologies to Mark Twain who said it better.)

Mr Lucky says:

BATTLE STATIONS!

Stick site down again. "Technical difficulties" cited. Rev up the rumor mill!

Off The Wall says:

"So Galt, can you (under any one of the names you're using) fess up and tell us the REAL reason why you started the site?"

Ah.. an intelligent question. Not like the cunt's make believe friends/screen names would ask.

I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with his manufacturing business and everything to do with peddling flesh. You can add "pimp" to his list of marginal talents.

The cunt has been lying to you all.. playing you for fools.. in his head at least.

All in good time though. Perhaps later I'll post a time when the "real" Keith/Galt/Cunt/Liar will be revealed..

Stand by..

Really Off The Wall..

notdeanbarrett says:

Forget stickman.

I want to get this Dean Barrett guy.

I think I'm going to start notdeanbarrettthailand.com

This guy writes a fortnightly column in which he claims to be writing about the girls and nightlife of Bangkok.

But let's make no mistakes about it.

He has other agendas.

Some say that the whole thing is just designed to show us that he's a good writer and make us buy his books.

But there's more going on than that. And I'm going to expose him.

The truth is that Dean Barrett is not the hardened womaniser and whoremonger he pretends to be.

I have it on good authority from the maids at Penny Black that they have listened outside his room when he goes for a short time, and he and the girl are reciting passages from the bible!

Intrigued by this revelation, I looked through some of Dean Barrett's so called 'debauched' columns, and was interested by what I found.

How about this passage:

"I was sitting the other day in a bar called Rawhide, when a young girl ascended the stairs to the stage. For a moment she was backlit by the spotlights, and a halo shone around her head. I was reminded of the angel Gabriel bringing forth the good news about the coming of the Messiah, and it reminded me that if I continued to visit such places, I would surely go to hell. Let this be a lesson to you all."

This is not the only religious reference I have found in Dean Barrett's column.

The whole thing is in fact a poorly-disguised attempt to indoctrinate us with his radical religious ideas, whilst posing as a sexual deviant.

And what about the missing years from Dean Barrett's life?

He will tell you that he was working for U.S. Intelligence, and can't tell us about it. Well, that's very convenient, isn't it?

What about the reports that he was actually a Christian missionary in Laos for a number of years?

Strangely he never mentions this.

Yes it's true that he's often seen with the Baccara girls in their little university uniforms, but don't let that fool you. In fact he takes them home and helps them with their homework.

If you've ever seen him around town, you will see that he never drinks beer. He's always drinking a Black Russian. But of course a Black Russian does look exactly like a plain Coke, doesn't it?

Well, I'm onto you, Dean Barrett.

How come you keep plugging Angelwitch? Is it really because you just like the sexy shows, or is it perhaps because Dave the Rave is your bible study buddy???

And you have a logo on your site for the Big Mango. Isn't it a strange coincidence that they also happen to be a sponsor for your weekly competition where readers can win 6,000 Baht worth of food and vouchers?

Something a little fishy there, I think.

Well, I'm not done with you, Dean Barrett.

I'm going to spend weeks of my time trying to dredge up gossip and evil stories about you.

Remember the girl with a tooth missing? Well, I've got the full story. I bet you're worried now.

Or you could just take down your site now, and then I'll have to go back to making models of famous Thai temples out of used matchsticks.

I know where you are, and I'm coming for you!

notdeanbarrett

buster says:

bangkok is really a small city if you think about it.

if you really want to find stickman, you can easily do so - with a picture to refer to.

.is it really true that this NOTstickman guy gait provided a picture of paul for all to see?

wow! this is real news.

...so, where's the picture?

The legal boys have a dossier says:

Well what can I say. Sticks site is down again and this time due to a letter aimed at his school from the great Galt himself being posted on his website... and so the saga continues.

Insider info tells me that certain Thai authorities here now have a legal file on Galt and it seems to be getting bigger by the day and that's despite his post editing of certain pictures from his website.

Oooh I love a good court room soap opera I really do...

an insider says:

people, do you want to know the mentality of the type of guys that the stickman hangs out with?

then, check out the website, www.nanaplaza.com

the stick, dean barrett, and the whole gang are in there pissing about the world and thailand.

KoolKing says:

Scorecard

Galt 8.5 Stick 7.5

Galt's site is up and running, Stick's site isn't but ironically, it was up with a new weekly column at least for a while as I read it before going to bed.
There was no mention of this feud.

Nasty Nick says:

Stickmans site is up and down faster than a bar girls knikers on a Saturday night.

And not a mention of anything in his weekly slot. For those of you taking score he missed a great chance to set the book right and to tell his readers what is going on. Gault can jump on this if he is clever enought and has the balls to publish what he says on Thursday.

Time will tell.

marklatham says:

John galt is still a cunt....

Chuck woww says:

"people, do you want to know the mentality of the type of guys that the stickman hangs out with?

then, check out the website, www.nanaplaza.com

the stick, dean barrett, and the whole gang are in there pissing about the world and thailand."

Even that fucking chuckwoww cunt posts there!

Anonymous says:

OFF THE WALL: "All in good time though. Perhaps later I'll post a time when the "real" Keith/Galt/Cunt/Liar will be revealed.."

REALLY??? excellent!!! then it's true, there is a Kyser Soze setting up Mr Summers as Galt... enter the Christian Bale character.

Mr. OTW depending on body count, your character will be either played by Christian Bale... or Crispin Glover...

Onward keyboard soldiers, marching as to war...

NotLiuBei says:

Breathlessy awaiting NotDicer's shocking revelations...

Jack Wow says:

And I'm going to start a website called the notthenotdeanbarretgaltstickmansauce.com

Does this drama ever end?

I was never really a big stickman fan before all this started, but last night I dropped him an email wishing him luck and to ask his advice on something. He emailed back within 12 hours and wrote to me like a friend would. He sounded genuine and caring. Galt/Summers has inadvertently just driven more readers to stick's site. I actually find notstickman quite painful to read. The poor spelling is child-like at times, and he gives advice like somebody who has only been here short-time. There's a fruit called Phuk. Well fuck me!

Now, if Dicer started a site that really would be something.

Wahoo says:

We all love a cunt, I have my own stick. Seems clear that Stick has pranced too much, as noted earlier "lived too long in a glass house" some cunt was going to poke him. John Cunt did it. So so mi oh. It pretty much proves the stereotype we cavorting farangs have created for ourselves. But parading for years under the guise of a school teacher, waving his work permit around, posing as a Private Dick, calling the lovely Thai girls prostitutes, kissing up to favorites, hiding behind the clean curtain of marriage, etc, etc , etc.

Jim in Japan. says:

So Summers likes to refer to himself as the "Great Galt"! Pleeease,what a giveaway.This guy must be completely and utterly off his little rocker.It`s sad really.To hold a grudge(and that`s all it is)to such an extent where you`d set up a site like that is just so unfuckingbelievably insane.And creepy too.So Stickman makes a bit of money out of ad revenues? Yer,and so what? Get over it.What,thousands of other sites out there on the net make money but Stickman isn`t allowed to? So Stickman committed the sin of "changing" after he got married (like a lot of men do)and suddenly Stickman is no longer allowed to write about the Bangkok NNL with "authority" anymore? Well,I`ll tell you something.If you don`t like the Stickman site,don`t read it.If you are offended by the ads,don`t click on them.If you don`t agree with what Stickman says about certain bars and entertainment areas well,you just go to the next article.Galt seems to forget the main point here and that is that Stickman.com is/was Sticks own site to do whatever and to say whatever he wanted. As a foreigner living in another Asian country I found a lot of Stick`s stuff pretty informative for my travels to Thailand.It`d be a great loss for all of us foreigners who have and do occasionally read Stick`s columns to have the site remain down for good because of the rantings and envy that are associated with one man`s obsessive hatred for Stick.

Benny the Pen says:

If the Thai authorities were serious about cleaning up the country's reputation then why not deport Stickman? Surely, there must be some charge they can get him on and then they would get rid of the no.1 internet publicist for Thai prostitution.
I still think it is disgusting that Stickman has not resigned his teaching post . . . obviously no character in the guy.

NotAnonymous and certainly NotLiuBei says:

oops I did it again.

That post egging on "Off the Wall" to greater glory, that was not Anonymous, that was me. sorry, my bad.

Aren't we due for some fiery rhetoric by Gripper/Graf or any of the other Galt apologists? C'mon guys can we pick up the pace? We're losing audience to boredom.

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[Gentlemen - Please take the discussion to "Ahoy there! Keith Summers gets his 15 minutes" because this page now takes too long to load - David]

Jim in Japan. says:

Thanks David.I`ve just read your interview,"Keith Summers gets his 15minutes" which was put up straight after I posted above.Seriously,what was the trigger that sent this guy over the edge? Whatever,and if you are reading this Mr Galt/Summers you might seriously consider getting some professional help.Just like watching a scene from the movie "Duel" starring Dennis Weaver these actions of yours surpassed what most folk would deem normal,rational behaviour.And Stick, come on back.Barring the nightlife,your articles about foreigners in Thailand could very well describe the expats here in good old Nippon as well.