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January 4 2007

Farangs.org pins rape conviction on innocent man

In a bid to justify their anti-farang views, the creators of race-hate website Farangs.org have been boasting about the part they played in the conviction of a foreign paedophile for child abduction and rape, citing an article in a Thai newspaper

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When translated, however, the article reveals that the guy wasn't a paedophile, no children were abducted and no one got raped. Ironically, he wasn't even a farang.

It seems that inconvenient concepts like truth and justice weren't allowed to get in the way of a racially motivated lynching.

This long-running story has taken a seriously ugly turn but perhaps our gloating anti-farang activists assumed that no one could read Thai.

Here's the translation:

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Danger! Family Division Police catch Bangladeshi who raped schoolgirl

'Jayniab' [Thai politician and family values activist] took the schoolgirl to the police and explained how a man raped her after they met in an Internet chat room [BangkokChat.org]. The police set a trap by having a second woman arrange to meet him through the same chat room. After they became acquainted, the man took the woman by taxi to a hotel where the police arrested him. He was charged with rape and child abduction.

At 6pm yesterday (24th February 2006) Mrs Rabiab Ratpongpanit took 'Miss Tarita' (not her real name), a 17-year-old schoolgirl from a secondary school in Bangkok, to see Police Chief Kamronwit Tupgrajang about Mr M.D. Mohtaher [pictured], aged 25, from Bangladesh who tricked her into going to the BT Hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 11 where he raped her on 19th January.

Miss Tarita said that she had known Mr M.D. from the Internet for about 3 months. He introduced himself as a translator for a hospital and they chatted for a while. She felt that Mr M.D was a good person that she could trust and they made an appointment to meet.

The first time they met was at Central Lard Phrao. Mr M.D. tried to make himself look like a gentleman and tricked the woman into believing that he really loved her and that she could trust him. On 19th January, they made another appointment to meet at the same place. They had a meal together and then watched a movie. Mr M.D. then said he would take her home and ushered her into a taxi. However, he took her to the hotel and raped her before taking her home.

After that, she decided not to make a problem because she thought that Mr M.D. really loved her but, when she tried to call him, he wouldn't answer.

After talking with the girl, the policeman devised a plan to catch the man by having a friend of hers chat with M.D. over the Internet. She told him that she wanted to get to know him, asked for his number and arranged to meet him at Central Lard Phrao. This time, a policeman followed her at a distance. M.D took her by taxi to the BT Hotel, where the policeman arrested him.

When the policeman interviewed him, he admitted everything. He said he had lived in Thailand for four years and that he was a translator at Bumrungrad Hospital.

The policeman charged him with the rape of a schoolgirl and child abduction. He also invited other victims to come forward and file a report.

Far from being a filthy old paedophile guilty of abducting and raping children, it seems that the convicted man was actually a young guy who had had consensual sex with a young woman after a few months of online chat and a couple of dates.

It's natural for us to want to protect our daughters from sexual predators but, from the age of 16 onwards, we have to accept that they are going to have sex. The best we can hope for is that they'll do it within their own peer group rather than with some dirty old man offering gifts but it should also come as no surprise that a 17-year-old might prefer to date a guy in his twenties rather than a spotty schoolboy.

Many do.

The age of consent in Thailand is 15 but, if the deflowered girl is under 18, a quirk of Thai law allows her parents or guardians to press statutory rape charges against her boyfriend. Fortunately, however, common sense usually prevails.

This dangerous law has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with underpinning parental ambition and greed. Even in this day and age, some Thai parents cling to the belief that their daughters can be bought and sold like cattle and virgins still attract a hefty premium in the marriage market.

Invoking statutory rape laws when a 17-year-old girl has sex with her boyfriend is totally wrong because we also want to protect our sons from false imprisonment. If this daft law were vigorously enforced, most young men in Thailand would end up in jail.

Disconcertingly, however, the gloating lynch mob at Farangs.org are completely unrepentant about their role in M.D. Mohtaher's shameful conviction.

Their new website states:

No decent person should feel bad about it and certainly we have absolutely no regret in that respect!

(If they pull their usual trick of removing or editing the page, you can see the original here.)

The statement also reveals that Farangs.org founders, Netchanok Klinkesorn and Peter Mortensen, weren't acting alone.

Apparently, the prime mover in securing the conviction was another anti-foreigner activist known only as "Ying."

They were also joined by "Tobias from Sweden" and "Dan from UK" - a pair of farang sycophants who played along with the hate mongering in order to curry favour with the various Thai women that they wanted to have sex with.

Tobias explains how the spurned 17-year-old (whose real name he reveals is Air) got in touch with Ying.

Yes, Air did in fact send a mail (in Thai) that Ying responded to! Air was from the beginning very upset about it and wasn't pushed to take it to the court. She'd a lot of drive in herself and especially her dad was upset the way she lost her virginity.

Instead of gently advising her to get over it, Ying supported this vengeful young woman as she battled to ruin the life of a former lover who had failed to return her calls.

Sitting safely behind his computer in a country where such a travesty of justice could never occur, the group's spokesman, Tobias from Sweden, offers his version of events:

That 16-year-old girl decided to go to court supported by her very protective and conservative parents and Ying.

According to press reports, the girl was actually 17-years-old but altering the facts to suit their own ends seems to be the hallmark of the self-styled decency campaigners at Farangs.org.

Tobias also lets slip that the girl's parents were "very protective and conservative" so we can assume that they went absolutely berserk when they found out that a Bangladeshi had popped their daughter's cherry.

Had her boyfriend been a Thai man or even a farang guy the girl's parents would probably have let the matter drop or, if the guy was particularly eligible, they might have pressed for a shotgun wedding but, in the Thai Pantheon of racial hatred, Bangladeshis rank somewhere below the Burmese.

This made a lynching almost inevitable.

When Ying's friend, the publicity-seeking Thai politician and social activist Rabiab Ratpongpanit, threw her hat into the ring, M.D. Mohtaher's fate was sealed.

Tobias adds:

The guy was weeping in court.

That's hardly surprising.

I asked Tobias what sentence M.D. Mohtaher actually received (it hasn't been reported in the press) but he declined to answer.

If these bigots have sent an innocent man to jail then I think we should be told.

Related articles

Bangkok student tells sex-maniac English teachers to go home
Farangs.org: Moral crusaders with dubious motives
Anti-farang activist resurfaces as cub reporter

[Posted to Internet by David]

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Readers' comments

pete D says:

Thai law is supposed to be based on english law, guy should plead not guilty and make the little hoe testify in court.
A few personal questions might make them think twice about pressing charges.
Make them lose face.

Common Sense says:

David,
I absolutely love your style. These shitheads keep digging their hole deaper and deeper with new justifications everyday, and you keep throwing it back in their faces. Some people never learn. Good on ya though. Keep it coming.

MrClis says:

The article above stated, and I quote:

"After that, she decided not to make a problem because she thought that Mr M.D. really loved her but, when she tried to call him, he wouldn't answer."

Ah, the old, old adage.....
How do you know when a prostitute has been raped?
When the cheque bounces.

Pants Elk says:

David, I absolutely love your style absolutely much more than Common Sense absolutely loves it, and I am absolutely prepared to put my tongue absolutely further up your ass than he is ... except that's absolutely not possible ...

(All for now - back to the life I got)

Charles Frith says:

Brilliant!

Dicer says:

Doesnt the photo look a bit like Sonthi thinking long and hard about which Tesco shampoo aisle to explode next.

BTW Sonthi has two wives, Sukanya and Piyada, despite legal prohibitions against bigamy. David, could you please alert the farang.org people to get on his case. And don't forget he's half Malay as well. This could be a big break for the cartoon detective... erm what was her name...yeah...Netchanok.

One source says:

"Sonthi is a descendant of Thailand's first Islamic spiritual leader, and his mother was a lady-in-waiting at the royal court. "

http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/
501061002/sondhi.html

"lady-in-waiting" could be a euphemism for.....anyway, which means she was sorted to mollify a southern geezer.


Another source says:

"Sonthi has two concurrent wives. He registered to marry his first wife, Sukanya, when he was a lieutenant and registered to a second wife, Piyada, when he was a captain. He currently lives with both women. Bigamy is illegal in Thailand, and is punishable with a jail term. However, Interior Minister Aree Wongsaraya defended Sonthi, claiming that it was a personal manner. He claimed that he himself had six wives."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonthi_Boonyaratglin

wonderful fellas Sonthi and Aree.

Common Sense says:

Awww Pants Elk,
I've missed you honey. Love you long time, or short time if you prefer.

Muwahhh.

Nite! Nite!

Grunt says:

Why is it when a man goes for the prime female traits (youth, beauty, innocence, purity) he is branded an enemy of the state...

But when some female gloms onto the prime male traits (billions in the bank, fat life insurance policy, one foot in the grave, estranged family) she is upheld as an example of "liberation"?

Bang a teenage girl, go to jail.

Anna Nicole Smith marries a billionaire 63 years her senior, and its YOU GO GIRL!

Prufrock says:

Yo! Common!. Son, you could use a break.

regards
Prufrock

Prufrock says:

Pants Elk: Common could not possibly have his tongue up anyone's ass as his mouth is currently fully plugged with foot.

regards
Prufrock

Prufrock says:

Hey David! Thanks for Mango Sauce.
What a gas!

Best wishes for 2007
Johnny Tokyo (Netchanok)
notImtiazMuqbil (Dean)
& Prufrock

Mathieu says:

Crikey.

Half Man Half Goat says:

Ha... I know this Netchanok Klinkesorn bird because I shafted her in 2004. I met her in some disco in bangkok (can't remember the name) but she was a freelancer back then. I'm sure she said she had a boyfriend...but their sex life was dire.

I usually take photos of the bints who I have banged so I will try to find this bird's pic. I know for sure she has a bald eagle and likes to watch blokes strangle the skinhead while she strips. Terrible nosh though....

Yep, I'm 99% sure i had this little brass a couple of years ago.

Common Sense says:

Half Man Half Goat,
I'm hoping it was the goat side of your brain that attracted you to Netchanok. No self respecting man would pick her up for a freelance shag. Her best chance should be as a 2 O'clock special in the US, not as a freelance whore in Bangkok where practically every other tart looks better than this nose picker.

daniel says:

hmmmmmmmm.....

what witty repartee's

MrClis says:

Earlier in the article it stated, and I quote:

"After that, she decided not to make a problem because she thought that Mr M.D. really loved her but, when she tried to call him, he wouldn't answer."

So, this 17-year-old girl meets a chap through an internet site and decides to see him. She is later seen by some friends crying that she has been taken out to dinner, moved on to hotel and soundly shagged....
"Oh my God", says the friend...."are you hurt?"
"Hurt.....HURT?", she sobs.
"He never rings, he never calls....."

BOOM BOOM!

Aye thank you.

Anklebiter says:

Yeah I heard about farangs.org before. Thai women and their wimpy farang boyfriends trying to make points with them. Pants Elf,opps, Elk, do you ever contribute anything but snide stupid remarks.

Pants Elk says:

This, from Common Sense:
"Right now though, I could use a blow job. OHHH PANTS ELK, down boy."

... and this, from Road Natzi:
"I would love to see how big you are when it comes to giving abuse in person, I reakon it would go something like, "yes sir mr natzi whatever you say, mr natzi, suck my own cock no problem mr natzi"

Are we seeing a pattern here? Both soldiers (Mr Natzi usefully informs us that "Every day I dress in my uniform", and we have more information than we ever needed about Mr Sense's service record) and both fantasizing about two things:

1) Fighting each other.
There was a lot of macho chest-inflating about punching each others' lights out, but unfortunately they both backed down because, well, for various reasons. Since nobody here took this rhesus monkey bullshit seriously, there was no sense of disappointment when the much-anticipated Rocky vs. Terminator street brawl was quietly forgotten by the fearless participants.

2) Having sex with me.
I have to admit to being more disturbed than flattered by the sleazy fantasies quoted above, and I am afraid that their image of me must bear little relation to the overweight, balding, asthmatic reality.

In addition to Mr Nazi's BDSM masturbatory fantasy of watching me auto-fellate, we have that recent queasy glimpse into his bathtime regime, which I shan't repost here as a service for the faint-at-heart, plus gems like "ELKs father was the rape victim and after he had his ugly ass penetrated by a dozen black gangsters" buried amongst the normal woman-hating spew that constitues his contribution to this forum when not bellying up to his Big Rival.

It's becoming horribly clear that the pair of them are as gay as a couple of picnic baskets. To resolve their evident frustration I suggest they rent a short-time room together and see what happens. And that's something I just don't want to think about.

Go for it, guys. We don't judge you. We just want you to resolve your personal issues and, you know, be happy.

Pants Elk says:

In answer to your question, Mr "Anklebiter", the answer is no.

And here's a little typographical device to put at the end of your next question: ?

dingdongrb says:

Isn't 'oops' and not 'opps' also? (But twat do I know?)

Prufrock says:

Pants: Ah! Of course. Good of you to step in, Pants. . . A play date for the lads, is it? . . . . And a challenging inductive paradigm for the first day of Common's Logic 101 class.
I’d have done All of A is B/ B is always C /ergo A is always C but Hey, that’s just me.
Pretentious Prufrock up his old college tricks.
Like thinking straight, most of the time, anyway, god willing.

Common needs your support after well . . . .you know . . . . (krick-krak-s-s-s:-))) And, ya know? it’s damned fine of you to've set this thing up. I can arrange security.
(Can the boys speak, French, ya figure?)
Actually, I'm betting that Common's busy with himself right now in front of his medicine cabinet working out that Belgian standing arm bar stunt.
(OH shit! Where's the White-Out, Damn ! oh nooo)

Seriously folks, I was hoping for a little more jihadi terror BOGEYMAN (as in Montsegur) shit but I reckon that when he's not in front of his mirror, Common's busy quizzing his expert E-panels of geo-pol Dominicans.

Me?
Tilac Bar.
Somehow a whole pack of High Sa-koon ex-cheerleaders (mid-twenties) have found their way into this venue. (no shit, Pants ladies who shake it for fun!)
Not everyone's cuppa Thai but, to an old fart like me? Well, it's like Disneyland!
Funsters, just out of the morlam scene :-)
Most engaging pack of rascals.
Yo, Sis! Boom-boom B-a-a-a-h, baw?

Cheers

Prufrock

Landmark Larry says:

The problem with people who whinge about 'sex tourists' is that they always seem to overlook one fact..the reason that 'sex tourists' travel to Thailand is because there are a huge number of Thai women who are working prostitutes looking for Western customers! They want our money. Ban prostitution in Thailand and we won't come. And you won't get our money. And guess what, prostitution in Thailand existed years before any 'falang' had even considered boarding Flight TG917 and enduring that 12 hours, drinking Singha and reading that inflight magazine 20 bloody times whilst resisting the urge to crack one off in the toilets in anticipation of the following two weeks in Pattaya, because many Thai men pay for poonani on such a regular basis that it's only us 'falang' who give the girls the occasional well earned night off.

Dana says:

Has anyone else noticed that Prufrock and Common Sense have forced out Tanai Kwai and Dicer? I liked it better before.

Common Sense says:

Pants Elk,
By insinuating that I am gay for wanting a blowjob from you I can only conclude one thing. I was mistaken in assuming you were female even though your constant bitching is typical of one. You might in fact be a man after all, even though you lack any manhood.

Silly me, I'll be sure to ask for gender next time.

Andrew Fox-Russell says:

Larry, isn't prostitution technically illegal in Thailand?

Common Sense says:

Dana,
I noticed we forced out a lot of posters. A main reason I'm avoiding any more debates with the dipshit.

Eniac says:

As David predicted, the Farangs.org slimeballs have edited their site in response to this latest article but they pointedly didn't answer his question.

They don't have the guts to tell us what happened to their victim, M.D. Mohtaher.

If you're so fucking proud of yourselves, tell us how long you got him jailed for.

cyberone says:

didn't know they got anything else here than cheap girls.

Eniac says:

Peter Mortensen, Netchanok Klinkesorn, Tobias from Sweden, Dan from the UK and Ying:

I know you're reading this you cowardly shitheads so answer the fucking question.

How long did you get that innocent man jailed for?

Road Natzi says:

Dana,

I agree with you Tanai and Dicer are much better than Prufrock and that Common Sense wanker.

Actually some Dicer's posts have been very interesting, indeed.

I guess, I would stop being so obnoxious and going off my tits all the time, if CS & Prufrock would just wake up to themselves and realise that they are NOT 'GODS GIFT' !

Prufrock says:

Dana: Has anyone else noticed that Prufrock and Common Sense have forced out Tanai Kwai and Dicer? I liked it better before.

Well actually Dana, many more people have noticed just how bitchy you get when anyone but you shows they can "get it going".
Isn't that more to the point?
Now you may have catapulted Camel Adventure Lit from Trink's
"the book is bad because there is no fallafal stand on soi 7 so that couldn't have happened" standard of prose to your own sometimes fascinating "flights of fancy" but I find you're getting lazy of late.
Dare I point out that you're just another poster here.
Loads of people on this site can f*ck around and write.
But ya don't own the place.
Dicer and TK are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

So take a chill pill. There's lots of room here.

Prufrock

anon. says:

Dana,

We get it already...you love TK and Dicer. Enough ass kissing for christ's sake.

Prufrock says:

Common, we're typing for god's sake. We didn't "force" anybody. We were using "pens". As in Pen vs. Sword
These guys think for themselves.
". . . forced out a lot of posters.
Get real.

They just stood back and watched you get your know-it-all ass kicked big time.
Then they stood back and laughed at your blindness to your own stupidity.
Now they are standing back watching you slip and slide from thread to thread dishing out oral sex to all comers.
Then you say:
(The) main reason I'm avoiding any more debates with (Prufrock, the supremo swordsman who proved me dead wrong and demonstrated to everyone my reasoning skills to be on a dumbed down fourth grade affirmative action level.
Yes, Common, the main reason is that I kicked you ass. Period.

Debate?
You don't even know what a debate IS! You can't debate from false premises.
You were making your side all up from nothing but fear-based racist nonsense.
That was not a debate, dummy.

You lost at pens and you lost at swords. All that's left is the craven ars licking you're handing out to try to garner a consensus instead of admitting you were out to lunch from the start.

You needed to learn more about Thailand before you tied to to the World al Queda conspiracy that you bored us with for five or six days. A lot more. And I insisted that you admit that.
My bad.

Now like TK and a few others here I'm thinkin' Cobra Gold Malt Liquor logic.
Get a fucking identity of your own before it's too late.

Prufrock

Allie says:

I recently discovered that my father is not the person I once respected.

I can accept his evolutionary need for sex in an exotic land. I can accept that he has been lying about his visits to Bangkok for the past two years. I can, perhaps, accept that he hid his assets and planned to run away to the land of smiles this year.

I can not however accept the horrible pain he has inflicted on my mother and siblings.

In an effort to understand his nefarious actions, lies, lack of honour, lack of feeling and the shirking of responsibilities towards the family he choose to create, I have been reading websites like yours. The stories have been enlightening, shocking, hurtful and understandable.

I firmly believe in "whatever floats your boat" when it comes to sex and relationships - so long as your actions aren't hurting other people.

If a person is a single, Western male in need of a good bonking (Aussie slang for sex), then I have no problem with you bonking your way through Bangkok.

However, if you are a married Westerner, please consider the far reaching consequences of your actions before you embark on your oriental fantasy.

I have read many articles about what attracts the middle aged farang to the LBFM/Thai girlfriend/wife fantasy. One recurring theme was that of their greater focus on family.

Family.

Family is something you choose to create. It is a consequence of a conscious action. It is difficult at times but it can also be something in which joy can be found. Not all families work out but before you throw away yours for an LBFM, stop and think. Ask yourself why you are unhappy with your "old, fat and whining" farang wife and children. Ask yourself if part of the problem may be caused by you.

Is it "till death do us part, through richer and poorer (rah rah rah)". Or is it "until it all gets too hard and why the hell should I bother making an effort when I can be pampered elsewhere"?

Of course, this doesn't apply to all men and some women ARE a demanding whining takers and sappers of life.

I hope my father has found the love and companionship he sought in his Thai girlfriend, otherwise, all the hurt he has caused his family has been nothing more than a salacious, gauche, selfish indulgence.

PS. Before you crucify me as bitter (okay, I am slightly bitter!) white female farang, please remember that it is the married male farang running away responsibilities that I have a problem with. I'm in my 20's and have explored the "been there, done that" lifestyle. Instead, I want to help people realise that bonking a bargirl will do more than just piss off your minger, middle aged wife. If you decide that it's the path your life must take, then spare a moment for your adult children and make the transition as easy as possible for the old wife - you never know, they may even come visit you when you're 90 and dying in a far off land. Maybe.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". I can't stand any religious dogma but I'll make an exception for that particular idea.

tam dee dai dee says:

I havent posted here before although i have been an interested reader of most things written here. i followed some of the comments about the woman Netchanok and thought that she was a somewhat confused person. Anyway, tonight when i was looking at the Thailand Friends site i saw the following profile..
http://www.thailandfriends.com/redgal

the person 'redgal' says her name is netchanok and that she is a student intern looking for something friendly. i guess she is looking to graze some new pastures.

for what it is worth.

Prufrock says:

Peter Mortensen, Netchanok Klinkesorn, Tobias from Sweden, Dan from the UK and Ying:
How long did you get that innocent man jailed for?

Indeed, this young man has been lynched.
I'm afraid that the circumstances of this poor man's apprehension, trial and imprisonment interface nightmarishly with the worst of the Thai national character and justice system.

Where would we go for more information?
Perhaps the papers would be willing to share. Can anyone find this out?
Did he, in fact, work at Baumrungrad?

Is there anything to be done at this stage. If not, where is this poor fellow imprisoned?
It wouldn't take much to make his life there somewhat more bearable.

Prufrock

Dicer says:

All the silly yet equally dangerous game that the Netchanoks and Yings play brings me back to that one issue that has been confirmed time and again:

DELAYED MULIEBRITY

I’ve been saying for a long time that the adult age for Thai woman should be raised to 26 and for good reason. You may roll your eyes when you read the last sentence thinking that it is some ex-army pseudo-Buddhist Sulak-type tosspot who preaches a vacuous version - is there another type? - of “Thai morality.” I can be hardly accused of that but just in case I’ll put in a caveat by adding that although “adulthood” should be 26 sexual relations should be excepted. In fact I couldn’t care less about any of the sex or the law. My concern is the behaviour of the female species around here.

In mutant female muliebrity, age 26 is a special time and should require a special ceremony, but as it is yet unrecognised, this passage of time comes and goes without a specific event. In reality, it starts the clock on nesting. A wake-up or awareness, retrospection, an epiphany happens at age 26; this occurs in other cultures as early as menses. Mutant tarts come of age a bit later. Why? At 26 they start to look around. They start to ask themselves angst type questions: Who am I? Where am I going? What’s in my future?

Again, this is an unrecognised event but profoundly important. For the first time, the tart begins to re examine family ties and family obligations, her spouse or boyfriend, where she has been and where she is going. In other words, she starts to catch on. A clue to this is in vocabulary. Khon chai is a servant and means ‘person use.’ The idea of using other people and, in fact, taking advantage of them, is as pervasive as sewer air. Women in this khon chai world are the first to be used and that means daughters by the families. So, families have the prerogative to shamelessly exploit, as David pointed out above, the daughters but the fun ends at 26. Women in the west famously catch on early and are off and running as early as middle school. THIS ALONE MAKES THE WESTERN MALE VERSUS EASTERN FEMALE ALL THE MORE UNFATHOMABLE.

MATURATION TAKES ITS TIME

Let’s blame part of this on the Asian family that tries to keep the kids dependent, which slows down maturation as kids are babied long after necessary. Of course the reason is the old …I am taking care of you now, you take care of me later. I’ve seen some mothers whisper this in the five year old’s ear when they continue to hand feed stcky rice to an already bloated child . So, there’s an agenda that goes with slowing down maturation and extending childhood and the period of dependency. It has a stronger psychological affect. After hearing the “We are taking care of you” from birth, it is a brain washing that lasts for women until the age of 26. Or thereabouts. And there is language reinforcement: a girl from birth to teen is called dek (child) and years counted not in bi (years) but in kuap (child years). In the teens until the 20s, the girl is called with an English term "baby". So, even a voting, property owning and legally responsible 21-year-old woman is called “baby.” And there may be folk wisdom in calling a 21 year old a baby. In reality this baby term presupposes the wake up at 26 when the Thai girl really enters womanhood. At 21 a Thai girl is still immature and a baby indeed. Girls at university signal their reluctance to adulthood by carrying tiny pink teddy bears and bauble on their blouses and purses that are abandoned by western girls mid primary school. Reading comic books ends early in the west, say in the first few years of primary school but lasts forever in smileland. At 26 the coming-of-age female says to herself “Why am I sending all my money year after year to my parents? Are they taking advantage of me? Why do I have to do everything my spouse tells me?” And the most usual …”Here I am at 26 with a kid. I had this boyfriend at 18 but he left years ago…I have had to support my parents and my kid but now I have to pay all these school fees…who will help me? No one.” What will she do? The unexamined life is partially, albeit in desperation, examined.

HIVE MENTALITY

The Thai female with that ancient matrilineal-matrilocal background is in the work force early. In the patrilocal-patrilineal societies, the girl seeks marriage with a supporting husband early. So, in the West the female looks for marriage or a ‘relationship’ but in Thailand they are to be early in the work force and support the family forever. In fact, husbands may come and husbands may go, their prime consideration is how much they can contribute to the wife’s family’s income; there are all kinds of outrageous stories to support this. In one case a farang geezer married a tart whose father had incurred gambling and hooker debts to the point of bankruptcy. The father demanded the foreign husband pay off the gambling depts. When the husband refused, the father repossessed the girl just like a new car, and resold her: this time to a brothel where the mamasan gave him a big loan for the girl’s future earnings. This is not that uncommon and you can bet the girl was under 26. At 26 or thereafter, many Thai women decide to stop paying for gambling fathers, drug takers or drinkers. Enough is enough.

In another case a yank had a very high paying job in a school (yes, a school) and had paid a large bride price and was sending a stipend home to the Issan family each month. In spite of a large salary the geezer was living in very humble conditions to make family payments but that was not enough: “It’s my dad on the phone,” the 19-year-old tartina wife said. “What does he want now?” the husband asked. “He wants a new car.” “A car! I don’t make enough to pay for us, your family and a car too.” “He says if you don’t make enough in this job, get another one.” “Right.” The womanizing father in law was a pushy chief of police in a little town. In fact, he insisted the daughter break off with a local boy, marry the older foreigner (for the sing sot) and start sending the usual monthly installments. In the end the teacher and wife moved to the US beyond the recall ability of the father. When the girl reached 26, of course, she had the wake up call; she made almost the first choice in her life, divorced, and found a new relationship – a nice young yank lad.

WHAT THE RICE MAIDEN TURNED HOOKER WANTS

In farangland (as our host here would say) you expect girls to be looking for at least a relationship early and dribbling Waldos are surprised when that is not the case in smileland. There are 18 year old go go girls who get proposals from Swiss neuro surgeons, Dutch bankers and Taiwanese real estate magnates, but it is a no no deal. There are two factors in this reluctance to nuptials. The girls really are not ready for marriage and matrimony often seems like going from being used by the family to being used by the husband. Marriage often seems like drudgery and a boring servitude. “Marry me, marry me,” these guys say with their chateaus, limos, and uranium stock. “Mai Aw,” says the girl chewing gum and trying to hum the latest Mr Moss tune. She has her Thai guy and in sweatshirts they get to roam the malls and look at a life in the display cases. At 18 the go go girl has a boyfriend and, in fact, is financing their life together with a Honda Dream, tiny apartment and fridge. The boy friend can often sit in the back of the bar and give little signals as to which foreign customer the girl should target. Later on the girl introduces her companion as her ‘brother.’ Hence, the boyfriend is around all the time and might even live in a spare bedroom. Seems like a cozy deal, doesn’t it? Between 18-26 the girl might have a child or two. At either point the Thai boyfriend may take off. He’s going to get bored quickly and when the romp turns tedious (6 months) and requires paying money to take care of a kid, the deal is off. Time to find another girl. Of course in this fragile Thai marriage situation, kids may end the whole thing. “Well, I can’t be bothered,” the husband says and leaves. The wife follows: Well, I can’t be bothered and deposits her kid or kids with her parents. In this deal she has to finance the parents and kid. This goes on until there is crossroads at 26 when the kid costs more and more and suddenly it is time to re-evaluate everything.

THE CHIHUAHUA WAKES UP

I can’t afford the kid and the parents too. Why am I paying for my parents as well. I have my own life to live. I am living in a hole and going nowhere. This is not good. And, no one will help me. I will have to do this on my own. There are two paths at 26: if the girl already has 1-2-3 kids, she will cautiously and tactfully begin to look for a husband with ATM sign in neon over his head. In this case she may get a job in the tourist area where she can target a western fellow. Maybe even an old geezer! She might become a waitress, masseuse, tour guide, or receptionist. She is looking. Her disadvantage is that with 1-3 kids she is off the normal Thai-guy marriage. She is culturally fairly aimed at foreigners. If the girl has remained unmarried to 26, she will then go into nest-mode and prepare to brood. Cue David Attenbrough doing chimp analysis on a BBC documentary. If the ladies can’t land someone at the office, they will check all avenues. This depends on their personality and status. If they are farm girls from the provinces and virtually no status, they may hope to be the mia noi (second wife) of a rich guy, most likely a rich Thai-Chinese. If they are short on status, they might settle for a mid-range official. Or, they may take a look at the Western market and go fishing in tourist areas.

Between the two groups, with kids and without, the first category is fairly desperation motivated…mouths to feed, bills and a sense of hopelessness. In the other case where nature seems to be clicking over, powerful instincts are whirling around. In BKK this is a time to join night classes and look around for English instructors or maybe a fellow student who might be suitable. Or spend inordinate amount of time in internet chat rooms. When in a last case scenario, the girl goes from 26-36 without luck and paying for the kids and parents all the way, she will be really motivated. It is time to land a geezer. Geriatrics between 70 and 80 start to look very good. To solidify the deal, they will even have one more kid. Western males post 70 will be kind, generous, grandfatherly, and willing to shell out for a house and whatever else the wife wants. Sticking the geriatric gambit out has the bonus of going past RIP to collect the vast inheritance, insurance and other benefits.

In Dana's signature phrase..or as others would say when they get bored of thinking... "to wit": There is a kind of cultural emancipation for Thai women at around age 26. Some take a little longer, but not much and the same factors of family or spouse taking advantage, and eventually self-epiphany are at work. This underlies the culture but there is also a divergent life style when examining the Chinese variation.

In the general Sino nuptials, the husband takes the wife to live with his family, the exact opposite of the Thai system. The wife won’t be recalled or used by her family but she is likely to be used by husband’s family, especially the infamous mothers-in-law. To culturally adjust to this maturation phenomenon and keep everyone on tract, the Thai parliament (or whatever Bushido version of it there is at the moment) should pass laws establishing 26 as de facto womanhood and everything below as under age. Primary school should go from 5- 20 and secondary school from 21-26. This would give the ladies a chance and not get them caught up with LOCAL BOYS before they are ready. However, it would mean that to be a go go dancer or a hooker in a brothel that the deprived boys can tackle the average tart doesn’t necessarily have to be 26 but she’d have a badge saying that she’s only there for a night’s fun. This will save the hapless Waldo’s from those daft rejections of ‘Mai Aw’ to the marriage. The government should also require all girls under 26 to carry a pink teddy bear. In a new coming of age ceremony, the little bears will be taken to the nearest wat, blessed by monks with holy water and then put on the family altar. At this point to show womanhood, all the girl’s Japanese cartoon books will be donated to a poor family (or younger sister).

Coming back to the girls at Farangs.org & Associates PCL… just think of them as giggling children causing misery to others, like the little tarts who have their hulking husbands bumped off after nuptials or arrange for them to do Houdini styled flying acts with hands tied and heads in noodle bags. You give ample time upto age 26 to prototarts who are not sure whether to go for the retired astronaut or the soi cabby and the utterly incongruous Waldo-Tartina coupling might just edge a little more towards something less cartoonish... perhaps even a workable arrangement.

Dana says:

"So take a chill pill. There's lots of room here."

Prufrock

Thank-you for that Mr. Prufrock. I was wrong to have an opinion and I was wrong to post my opinion in a public place and I was wrong to use your name and I apologize to you. I always enjoy learning from my betters and this has been a good example of that. I have read and reread your comments and I have decided it would probably be best if in the future I cleared all of my trivial crap moronic muttonhead ideas and comments with you first. I think that would make this a better world. And thank-you for publically airing my deficiencies. Apparently I can not behave like this but you can behave like this which is a valuable lesson for me. I guess you and I are different and have different rights. I needed to learn that. Public humiliation is the best tonic and I can feel myself getting better already. The notion that I would prefer one poster's ideas and writing over another's (especially yours) just seems like madness now that you have cracked your skull and let your intellect shine forth.

Ali G says:

Me fink dat me boned 'er too, bak in 2003 innit. If she be da same bitch me be finkin of she woz proper bo, so nuff respek to all u homeys dat also boned 'er innit

Ta Mok says:

it is better that one innocent man is found guilty than to let one guilty man slip away.

Bangkokram says:

Just read a ditty off the HateFarangs.org.

I quote "Netchanok and Peter are nice and normal people. Anybody who knows us will agree on that".

Obviously the poor bastard in the story above might not agree with us.

Given Ms. Natchanok (Looks like a Ladyboy) obvious race hate towards any non Thai and her alleged dodgy night time excursions when Peter is away, and Peter's i'll do anything for a shag web building skills. I would say these people and their ilke are not nice people.

Prufrock says:

Tanai Kwai: This Tobias guy is the non-native speaker we went back and forth on. Thank you for alerting me to that. ... way back there somewhere.
I jump to conclusions at times. Hope my reasonings and justifications were not overly tedious and pedantic.
RE: this tragic Bangladeshi

I want to help this poor boy, any suggestions? Or is it just out of the question due to the obvious?

Prufrock

anklebiter says:

I would love to know what happened to the victim of these farangs.org slime balls. I hope we can find out. And I hope Dicer and Dana will continue to post. Prufrock might follow his own arrogant advice to Dana and "chill out".

Anonymous says:

DELAYED EJACULATION

I’ve been saying for a long time 'Hello, I'm Dicer...please love me. I think that the adult age for Thai woman should be raised to 13 and for good reason. You may roll your joints when you read the last sentence thinking that it is some ex-barmy psycho-Bud-Bud Prozac-type teapot who preaches a sermon-on the mountebank - is there another type? I can be hardly accused of being a twat, but just in case I’ll put in a cream-cake up my arse by adding that although “adulthood” should be 14 sexual relations should be excepted. In fact I couldn’t care less about any of the sponk or the jizz. My concern is the behaviour of the female monkeys around here.

In mutant mmonkey females, age 13 is a special time and should require a special ditty: "If there's grass on the pitch, let''s play!" but as it is yet unrecognised, this passage of time comes and goes, goes and comes, sometimes coming while going and vice versa (Haha!) without a specific event. In reality, it starts with the cock in the nest. A wake-up or awareness, retrospection, an epiphany happens at age 13; this occurs in other cultures as early as menses: or mensa, or even monkey Mutant tarts come of age a bit later. Why? At 13 they start to look at their feet. They start to ask themselves angst type questions: Who am I? Where am I going? What is a rim-job?
Why is there peanut butter in my snatch?
Again, this is an unrecognised event but profoundly important. For the first time, the tart begins to re examine her arse, armpits and her pet's bollocks, her spouse or boyfriend, where she has been and where she is going. In other words, she starts to catch the bus instead of the train. A clue to this is her choice of knickers. Khon chai is a servant and means ‘He-who-chooses-underwear.’ The idea of using other people and, in fact, taking advantage of them, is as pervasive as sewer air. Women in this khon chai world are the first to be used and that means daughters by the families. So, families have the prerogative to shamelessly exploit, as David pointed out above, the daughters but the fun ends at 26. Women in the west famously catch on early and are off and running as early as middle school. THIS ALONE MAKES THE WESTERN MALE VERSUS EASTERN FEMALE ALL THE MORE UNFATHOMABLE

Prufrock says:

Dana's groveling apology to Prufrock.
Thanks for the apology Dana. I was particularly moved by the diction and the sincerity as well as the word-count Sorry if I struck a nerve with that "bitchy" thing, but . . . . well you know. . . . . there is a smidge of thruth there, n'est-ce pas?

Actually, one of the last harangues my former wife ever went off on rolled out much the same.

I remember it well . . . some kind of fondue/raclette "do" with her sorority friends at our Steamboat chalet.
I'd accused her, over dinner, of trying to "cheese me out" and her response to that was almost identical to yours.
Brought back memories.

Prufrock

Derukugi says:

Don't know what you all want. On their new website, Netchanok and Peter state that:
"Netchanok and Peter are nice and normal people. Anybody who knows us well will agree on that."

Well, that settles that :-)

Pants Elk says:

"nice and normal people" - su-ure they are. Just don't look into their crawlspace.


(Prufers, your "cheesed me out" phrase lurched me back to my own days in fondue/raclette land, with an equally queasy rush.)

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
"Actually, one of the last harangues my former wife ever went off on rolled out much the same."

So your just another emotionally crippled cunt seeking refugee in Bangkok.

I imagine the trouble between you and your former wife was that she chose to live in reality instead of Prufrock's make believe world. I imagine you even think that apology was sincere and not the slightest bit sarcastic.

Oops, did I shatter your "REALITY".

Pillow Angel says:

Leave him alone, Common Sense. Ever hear that quote about the disabled olympics and arguing on the internet?

Prufrock says:

Bubbling amalgam of boiling Gruyere, Emmanthal, Gouda, and Chardonnais plonk with a dash of sherry is poured generously over Common Sense's bullet-like head. The molten alloy dribbles slowly over his face and on to his hands until it clogs his keyboard.
Last words?
It's pizza. Meat Lover's. Don't argue with me I . .

Me says:

Wots the fuzz about? i (farang in TH for 4 years) met my Thai gf when she was 16, she's 18 now, (yes that's young but delightful!) and never any problems with her family or the dodgy mafia-motcyc friends she has here in BKK. Be (mutually) nice, understanding, respectful and lay off all the pre-justice, and u'll be fine.

kwai mai sabai says:

Me,
That's a good moniker for an ego-centric bastard like yourself, Keith (or one of his other multiple personalities). Friggin' paedophiles rile me up!
Have you ever heard of spell-check? Try using it!

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