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April 13 2007

Blog wars: Bangkok diplomat's own goal

ian_proud.jpg

"I saw him walking arm-in-arm with a girl that could only be described as a 2 dollar whore," writes Simon Peltier beneath an innocuous blog entry by Ian Proud, head of the British embassy's political section.

When the thirty-eight year-old diplomat agreed to be a guest blogger on The Nation's website, he also let them publish this photo.

Big mistake.

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Edwardio Shanks also spotted him in action.

I recall going to the embassy once and that same night was down on Cowboy and who did I bump into? Yes, it was Ian.

And Sport fills in the background.

I know a couple of guys at the Aussie embassy and they are no different from the US embassy or the British embassy. Come Friday 3pm and it's down to Soi Cowboy, getting pissed and doing as many disgusting things as possible with the pole dancers.

Proud's postings were entirely inoffensive but he realised too late that he'd stumbled into the elephant trap that The Guardian newspaper calls the "seamy underbelly of blogging in Bangkok."

His diplomatic career may never recover.

The novice blogger's undoing will surprise no one on this forum. With the fall and rise of Stickman, Keith Summers' impending nervous breakdown, Netchanok Klinkesorn's online exile and the jailing of Friskodude, it's been a tough year for Bangkok commentators.

Discussion forum lynch mobs are par for the course around here but the British embassy's well-deserved reputation for inflicting misery on visa applicants wins it few friends and Proud's online stoning was all but guaranteed.

The deeply embarrassed diplomat struggled to explain his behaviour to The Guardian.

I don't think there are many people here that haven't been in places like Soi Cowboy at some point but I'm not down there every Friday at 3pm. My last visit was about a year ago. I'm happily settled with a girl so I've no need or desire to go there.

When my posting to the embassy ends next month, I don't think I can bear to leave. This country is my home now so maybe I should stay on in Thailand and be a professional web-blogger.

Proud might have come before the fall - but only inside his girlfriend, Lek, apparently.

Don't give up the daytime job, Ian.

Full story [The Guardian]
Ian Proud's blog (what's left of it) [The Nation]

Footnote

More British embassy-related hi-jinks [The Guardian]

See also

Bangkok embassy tells bird-flu Brits to bugger off

(Story spotted by Dicer)

[Posted to Internet by David]

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Readers' comments

Chop_kin_hoi says:

If your average joe in the street gets caught being a naughty boy. It's these types who are the first to the throw moral stones! LOl recover from this you pompus twat!

Wombat says:

Oops. Talk about a spectacular own goal. Having said that I believe what someone does in their own time is their business. I say good luck if you are single & get a posting to Thailand. I just wonder what the outraged moralists were doing in Cowboy in the first place. Christians looking for converts perhaps?

As for forum discussion lynch mobs I don't believe that would occur somewhere as civilised as Mango Sauce.

Charles Frith says:

Ian gets my full support for at least trying to engage with a wider population in a transparent manner. Unlike Chop_kin_hoi who is anonymous, has a name that means "I like to eat pussy", throws moral stones at Ian based on internet calumny, insults Ian for being pompous when the record shows Ian has contributed towards charitable work in Thailand and lastly uses a pejorative term for Ian that reflects on his own diet.

Chop_kin_hoy why don't you get your head back down where you belong and keep your excessive mouth action for something that doesn't require words?

kwai mai sabai says:

Yah, I used to see him in Soi Cowboy, too. Dressed in his office attire and dancing around like a tool. Always wondered who that geek was.

chop_kin_hoi says:

Lol Charles, Ian dropped himself in it big style and deserves what he gets, anyway it'll soon blow over, pardon the pun:-)

As for you, and your translations well we know what sort of character you are lol Time to go back to gutter boy where you belong boy. And I'll go back and eat my oysters :-)
Have a nice day!

Prufrock says:

KMS: Are you sure that wasn't the "dancing missionary". . . . British, forties, about ten years here,solo cruiser, fluent Thai and seems to be having a ball no matter where he goes. God bless 'im.
'e's fookin' loaded, as well. I'd be smilin' as well, f'I wus 'im

KMS says:

Prufrock,
Are you sure that wasn't the "dancing missionary"....
Possibly. This guy looked older than 38 come to think of it. Sure looks like him though. I never saw him bar-fine any dancers so he could have been a missionary. A curious one, though.

Prufrock says:

Seventies dance style (a lot of old John Travolta moves (spins, splits, and "hand dancing" and Tommy Tune stage grinning.
Two piece suit, silk tie (the "Mish" is one Sharp Dressed Man fer shuure. . . .
a mover. . . . like he took dance lessons at some time or other but, like, he still couldn't score a cool girlfriend in the old country.
So, fuck 'em 'e says and he came here. . . 'at's okay :-)
Shit man, the Mish's just found a way to relax after work. I believe this guy owns a significant operation and I admire him (sure I used to laugh with the rest of them) because the Mish? well,he could just not give two shits about what ANYBODY else thinks. Fuck 'em


As for poor ol' Ian Proud? High on what must have been a fantastic four years here? Well, he's just stumbled into one of life's little fire walks.

"It's OK lad.
You're alright.
You'll be alright.
You just made a little error in judgment.
Nobody got hurt.
Nobody died.
Just the usual gang of schadenfeude specialists raggin' ya. The Coronation Streeters I call them. They're hangin' out with nothin' better to do than rub salt into your embarrassment. They're the arseholes who used to materialize in the vestry of your embassy with a duck-footed Patts rascal half their age in tow demanding a visa for Blighty so the two of 'em could go back and watch all those fascinating foough-bough gaymes am matches in frount ouv telly, innit?
"Bough ah luv 'er. Cah'nt y'undahstan'? An ah'll taek good ceah uv 'er. Wone oi Appun. Wot yu meyn I need a fookin' job an' assets bahck in UK. What yu fookin' meyn??

Woodstock Bar used to be full of the cunts. Then it was Nana took the overflow. Then the whole of Sukhumvit was overrun with them. Then Pattaya, Patong, and Gullibles.
When they acquired keyboard skills, nobody was safe. But that was just for a while.

Well fuck them.
Your life was better than theirs before this and it'll be better than theirs after this.
As for moments of glory, they'll have to go on about when they finally get booted out of here? The shit they'll have to crow about back in that Broak-Ass-on-D'ole Council flat? Why that'll be the story of how you had a blog and they trashed you on it, won't it.
Big fuckin' deal, Ian.
Get on with it, man.

bob says:

lets hope they stop the old perv in sheeps clothings pension for bringing the UK govs into disrepute .there are a selection of other British Embassy employees that used to frequent the thermae for decades.

Dicer says:

Colonel Roberts, drunk in the plane needs an award for his lucid moments.

As for Mr "I am Proud," he should replace Mr Serviceman Bean

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/
news/news.html?in_article_id=447889&in_page_id=
1770&ct=5


maybe send him to Iran. The Iranians would feed him pita bread and kebab and say so are you full, are you Proud hahahaha....and I bet he'd start crying just like the other Bean. What a bunch of mollycoddled sissies.

Lingchai says:

What I find interesting is that ever since the coup, the Nation has been publishing these goofy opinion pieces and these blogs ("Must Read!") whose general theme seems to be either things are so good now that the CNS has save the country or that Thailand is such a great place even the farangs say so. This seemed to fall into that category with the "young British diplomat blogging about how he had fallen in love with the country" [paraphrase]. My first thought when I saw the blog (before he was "outed") was that here was a guy trying to curry favor with the propoganda machine in order to secure some employment in Thailand for when his diplomatic posting ended. I'm pretty cynical by nature though...

eyepopper says:

Dave,
How convenient of you to eliminate the entire blog about Google which included your quote from the Bangkok Post's Database about there being "nothing offensive" Mango Sauce. Very convenient indeed.

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Hi Eyepopper

You'll find the entry here:

http://www.mangosauce.com/about/
google_kills_dissident_blog.php

Please try to your get your facts right before you preach, pastor.

Regards
David

PS. When I said that this blog doesn't offend people, I was talking about normal folk, not religious fundamentalists. Go find yourself a knitting blog or something.

Looper says:

'girl that could only be described as a 2 dollar whore'

Even if she turns out to be a starfish you can't argue with that price tag. This Proud geezer is clearly a canny negotiator. I'm not really into that whole Eden thing but at that price I'd take a half dozen. Good on you Ian you old rascal!

eyepopper says:

You totally don't get it, Dave. You have a picture of boy giving a BJ to Jesus (or so says one reader's comment). Personally, I don't care, but I am suggesting that you don't have the dick or the balls to put a similar picture up with Buddha or Mohamed. Why? Because you KNOW they'd kick your ass out of Thailand!! The last thing I am is a preacher, but I know shit when I smell it. And it's all over you. The only one who is going to be knitting anything is you - perhaps a cute little shawl to cover yourself so no one can see that your such a pussy - A pussy who can neither answer questions intelligently nor maintain a website consistently just because of a Google scare.

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Hi Eyepopper

You behold Jesus offering succour to an innocent child and concludeth that it's an altar boy's light lunch.

You have a dirty mind, Eyepopper, and verily thou shalt burn in the deepest pit of Hell for eternity.

It is written.

Regards
David

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers.

sorry to get off the subject but....
does anyone know what has happened to bangkokchat.org ???
It used to be a right good laugh there and with plenty of characters.
They have either sold or screwed up the entire site by employing some thai web designer by changing the whole format, and they don't seem to have any chatters there anymore.

I await the smart one's comments.

Thaxo.

Telemachus says:

I recommend
Carrieoke's Knitting Blog www.carrieoke.net/

Plus she is really hot. That school teacher look, those little sweaters that she wears and the pigtails, oh jesus the pigtails...

I also learned a lot about Lace Leaf Pullovers and Rowan Wool Cotton.

eyepopper says:

And again . . . you continue to avoid the subject!! You are unbelievable!! Wait, perhaps I have given you too much credit all this time. You don't keep up with what people write (which is where one of your readers made the reference to Jesus being "serviced" by the little boy) and apparently your are unable to follow a conversation logically, otherwise you would have responded a long time ago to the "what if" the picture was a boy with Buddha and Mohamed. You truly are a coward - and all along I thought your were just some conceited prick. Maybe you are both. Come clean Dave . . . what if . . . deal with the issue.

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Hi Eyepopper

I couldn't say. You'd have to ask a Buddhist or a Muslim.

Pictures and symbols mean different things to different people in different cultures at different times.

The image that you're having a hissy fit over is a line drawing from a religious textbook that was once used in schools. For all I know, it might still be in print.

You really do have a dirty mind.

Incidentally, I've no reason to mock non-Christians because they don't go around bugging people in Nana Plaza.

Regards
David

kwai mai sabai says:

Mr. Thaksin, BKKchat.org:
I had no trouble connecting. Maybe they blocked you. Did you say anything rude there?

Bandersnatch says:

The whole bangkokchat.org thing is just an elaborate ruse to shake off 'Mr. Thaksin' (the pathetic handle says it all) because he is such an inane, annoying twat.
I hear that a similar ploy is underway here at Mangosauce, so that we'll be rid of the little jerk off once and for all. Don't anyone tell him the new URL.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers,

cheers Kwai, but is it the same format as before ???

As for you Snatch breath, you obviously fancy Thaxo, you filthy minded pencil neck playboy xxxx

Thaxo.

Road Natzi says:

Eyepopper,

You seem to be so wound up about this issue, please take 3 deep breaths and go and start a war or something.

You need to undertake some study at a Christian college or something. Please cease any reference to 'Buddha' immediately and I suggest you leave religion out of your posts you are treading on dangerous ground.

It is one thing for some grubby farang to deface the kings portrait but its an entirely different thing to speak of Buddha in any negative reference.

To sum up, you like David, Prufrock, Dicer, Dana, Common and a few others are not perfect and I dismally fail the test myself, but you should really give yourself an uppercut on this occasion....stick to politics or talking about your 1 inch dick, it would be a lot safer for you. (This is not a threat, just some good advice).

David, its one thing for us all to rip in and have a few chops at each other, I see it nothing more than a bit of fun and a break away from stressful business. Of course it is also fun to chat about world issues, especially the crazier parts of farang life in Thailand. Having said all that, I feel some boundaries need to be put into place regarding religion.

I really enjoy reading most posts here and reflecting on the weird and bizarre ideas that manage to worm their way out into the open. Congradualtions especially to Dana,Dicer,TK,Prufrock,Common and some of the other regulars who put thought and effort into their posts...you are truly entertaining.

David, I guess what I am saying is there is a lot of fun in free speech but with some things there is certain risk and at times people should keep certain things to themselves rather than risk the chance of upsetting the masses.

On a lighter note, where is that fat ugly bitch Carey?

kwai mai sabai says:

Mr Thaksin,
When I look on Bangkokchat it says your banned.
I also saw Keith Summers on their posing as RichBoy asking for Stickman's identity and when he gets it all the other posters tell him what a scumbag he is - except for you.

eyepopper says:

Dave, I'll give you an "E" for effort. You at least came CLOSE to answering the question, but in the end you shoved it off onto the Buddhists and Muslims. In other words, you are not even capable of predicting whether or not a similar picture of a boy with his head in Buddha or Mohamed's lap might be offensive to them. Got it. But then you claim that your reason for not mocking non-Christians is because they don't go around bugging people in Nana Plaza. Are you sure of that?? There have been several mornings (after an evening romp with a bar girl) that I have sat at a bar next to fellows who are as non-Christian as you can get. Actually, most of them are self-proclaimed atheists. These jerks take out their hostility and frustration after a less than satisfying night with a young lady on the bar girls and staff of the bar. Some of them get into such a frenzy that they actually scare the shit out of the girls sitting on the stools next to him. I've see several Thai bouncers through these bums out of the bar before 11 a.m. Yeah, your right Dave, it must only be the Christians who are causing problems at Nana. Atheists and non-Christians are always on their best behavior and in no way bother the people at Nana. Therefore, they are not mocked. Once again your brilliant mind, Dave, shines like a pile of shit for all of us to see and smell.

KMS says:

"To sum up, you like David, Prufrock, Dicer, Dana, Common and a few others are not perfect . . . "

Attn: Mr. Road Natzi--

I recommend a little editing before you splurge all over the keyboard. It would be hard to imagine more offensive misinformation than this. Dicer is perfect, and I am on the way to godhead status.

Please try to stick to the facts.

Prufrock says:

@ Popeye: The raving doofuses to which you refer have neither the intellect nor the educational depth of field to be proper aetheists.
"Yob", "ignoramus" or "Buford" do just fine in these situations.

KMS: The scriveners mentioned in Mr. Road-Natzi's post have been tried and trued in their purity of thought and originality of word.
A fire walk of truth, it is.
They only use "cut and paste" as a teaching aid to the brain-addled.
But you're right.
You ARE coming along nicely.
Just mind that Churchlady regarding your profanities and your vulgarisms and your name calling.
Old bag writes in gripping style, right?

somchai says:

eyepopper,

how about pic of a boy performing fellatio on tom cruise?

that'd make you happy?

scientology rules!! why? keith summers say so.

Poetic Justice says:

Oh Christ, Prufrock is floooding the threads with his awful impressions again:

Bough ah luv 'er. Cah'nt y'undahstan'? An ah'll taek good ceah uv 'er. Wone oi Appun. Wot yu meyn I need a fookin' job an' assets bahck in UK. What yu fookin' meyn??

What the hell is this? And then:

foough-bough gaymes am matches in frount ouv telly, innit?


Prufrock: you are a special needs child.

This non-person has been in Thailand way too long. Go home Prufrock!

kwai mai sabai says:

That was Keith Summers and not me posting as KMS above. Cut it out Keith or I'll come up to Nakhon Pathom and sort you out myself. KMS is my handle. You aleady have over a hundred at last count so stay away from mine, scumbag!

kwai mai sabai says:

And Prufrock fell for the misdirection of Keith Summers posting under my name. You are more stupid than I thought. You really ought to consume less alcohol. It's rotting your brain.

Prufrock says:

@ Pathetic Justice: Nice try stupid. Every Brit knows in his hart of hearts what that grunty stuff means.
Antony Burgess started it.

Like I said it's pathetic.

Road Natzi says:

BIG YAWN !!!!!

I'm Walking says:

David,
You've lost control of your site! You're going to have to do a better job of moderating. You allow Keith Summers to monopolize your blog with all his fractious psyches and you have the blowhard Prufrock rebutting everyone of them completely unaware or just doesn't care because he doesn't have a life either.
Thanks for all the laughs but it's time for me to get a life too.

Combover says:

A mate of mine last week asked the German Ambassador the best place to go for a soapy.

He was diplomatic, naturally. 'I don't know about zis place', albeit with a laugh and a wink.

HILAROUS says:

To be honest, I created the screen names Edwardio Shanks and Simon Peltier. Honestly, who the F would even think ridiculous names like were real people.

And then I saw my quote in the BBC and I was like AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH.

The funny thing is, I didn't even know the guy and I just saw some dude posting on the nation and though it would be funny to make up a few stories. I actually posted about 7 times, each time using a random name, the first name that came into my head I typed.

I can't believe it made the BBC, I am famous in a way!!! HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA.

I also can't believe he actually admitted he goes to cowboy sometimes, I mean wtf, I didn't even post any proof, I just posted that I saw him there with a hooker. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/
infotech/view_article.php?article_id=59829

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/
tech_and_web/the_web/article1649795.ece

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/
nationworld/2003663196_blogomat12.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/
0,,2054991,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6548653.stm

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?
in_article_id=44828&in_page_id=34

http://news.bostonherald.com/international/
asiaPacific/view.bg?articleid=194161

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers,

Kwai you silly plonker, l can hardly comment in bkkchat.org on Summers when l'm banned from there.
l'm not one of these skulking wonkers{obviously yourself excluded} either who goes by 100 other nicks.
Its Thaky or nothing, let me back in BKKchat.org l have seen da light.

Thaxo.

Wombat says:

Hilarious

Assuming you are telling the truth, which is debatable, you must be so proud.

You attempt to fuck up a mans career just so you can get some cheap laughs. Then you brag about it. If you had any sense you would keep quiet about it.

You are a worthless little slug.

BTSchairstealer says:

kwai mai sabai says:

Mr Thaksin,
When I look on Bangkokchat it says your banned.
I also saw Keith Summers on their posing as RichBoy asking for Stickman's identity and when he gets it all the other posters tell him what a scumbag he is - except for you.
.........
you are such a foolish tool. Stickman is a joke for everyone under 40 that has lived in BKK for 6 months or longer.
only old armchair tourists and internet wannabe's think he has anything to offer in the way of practical advice. Mangosauce is a WAY better site than Stickmans.
and also, the poster RichBoy is NOT Kieth Summers. RichBoys topic on bangkokchat.org also happens to be the most viewed and commented topic in the entire forum section. (!).
face it. Paul is a loser, Summers is a weirdo and MangoSauce beats them both without even trying.

Telemachus says:

BTSchairstealer

Your anagrams are showing Dr Summers

kwai mai sabai says:

BTSseatsniffer:
Right! Like we're supposed to believe you Keith (the pathological liar). Here it is Richboy on Bangkokchat: can anyone please 'out' stickman ? full name, place of employment, photo, etc.
under the topic started by you 'Outing Stickman"

Bose says:

BTSchairstealer says:
"Paul is a loser, Summers is a weirdo and MangoSauce beats them both without even trying."

Arms & ammunition businesses get richer during wartimes.

Keith Summer says:

Prufrock you are a loser. Simple as that. Go back to th UK and live with the shame of those 15 so call soldiers. If it wasnt for the USA you would be speaking German.

BTW Road Natzi you a IDIOT.

Common Sense says:

Keith Summer,
You are obviously a fake since it is now common knowledge that Prufrock is a canuk (i.e. from Canada).

Unlike Prufrock though, I have no problem with new posters coming here to express their opinions, but please come up with an original handle and develop yourself a reputation.

For instance, you are off to a good start by bringing up the cowarly fucks from the UK who were recently held hostage by Iran. This is the type of conversation that normally incites the internet equivelant of a riot here at Mango Sauce, even though we all know deep down they acted in a discraceful and self-serving manner. FUCKING COWARDS!

And yes I would say the same thing had they been Americans.

Road Natzi says:

Keith,

You state in ur post,
"BTW Road Natzi you a IDIOT".

Something just doesnt read right there, no who's the idiot????

Keithy, You really want to fuck off out of my country, you have fuck all rights in this country and Pattaya is already littered with other gutless cunts, so please piss off ! Any time your up to it, have a crack loser!

Prufrock says:

@ Common. Having been a newcomer to this site only six short months ago, I have NO problem at all with anyone who wishes to ad something here.

I don't recall having problems with ANY new poster who was inventive enough to find a name for himself if only to tell me in six precious words or less that I'm too verbose. The saying of it by HIM being the sole justification for doing so.

This is not my space, after all.
And I am also aware that there's no paper shortage affecting us here as some other posters would imply.

And that most people now have scroll wheels on their mouses. (I believe that's the plural, if not I'm SURE someone here will correct me.)

Telemachus says:

I can still describe you in less than six precious words Pru...

Prima Donna

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers.

another case of "White Guilt" for poor old wonker "Common spent"

would the wonker call a dark skinned person a "Coward"
I wouldnt put a penny on it.

Thaxo.

Telemachus says:

Common Sense has a point.
With all due respect to the British Army these guys did not maintain a stoic professionalism and were seen having a great time with a clearly hostile and anatagonistic group. I have no doubt they (Iranians) would nuke the West if they could (one only has to listen to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments on Israel to realise that). So captured personnel should behave as that. Name, rank and serial number only stuff. No expressions of happiness or agreement with the enemy.

Telemachus says:

The kids could have been a little more professional and a little more stoic, I agree.
I call it a case of poor training and nerves and being conned by the enemy into feeling they were among friends.
We were not there. We do not know.

As for your understanding of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments on Israel, I strongly advise you to source that information. You will see that the "quote" that hit the mainstream media was a German mistranslation of a (Farsi?) speech he made a few weeks before the report.
Iran, whether it is a threat to nuclear- armed Israel or not has not yet contravened ONE UN resolution AND is within it's rights to develop nuclear capabilities.
That's not something I made up. It's a fact.

Israel, a criminal conspiracy masking as a nation state, a state of little or NO strategic importance to the US, a country which is a racist dictatorial theocracy currently practicing murderous apartheid and ethnic cleansing and the only "Arab" country ever to attack and sink a US warship (USS Liberty 1973, 47 dead!)and the mastermind of at least THREE major spy rings since 1970 has ignored hundreds of UN majority resolutions including the one that asked it to at least admit that it had nuclear weapons.

The issue is complex.
But yeah, those soldiers could have been a bit less friendly. (I bet the ragheads got 'em into a friendly fough-bouwgh chat, among other things including bringing up the Makita cordless in conversation (heel and ankle 3/8" holes "done" to their own kidnapped diplomat during a US supervised "interrogation") ;-)
The issue IS complex and it IS fucking very dangerous. AND as James Baker has said, it must be solved through diplomacy and the scrutiny of the Israel lobby in the US.
This is a very very serious problem. This is NOT the medium to be discussing it, but it is the medium to research it.

hentaigaijin says:

hold the front page! "man living in bangkok likes to dip his wick." who gives a fuck?!! surely it would be rude not to??

Wombat says:

Telemachus

Are you suggesting that because one dictatorial theocracy has nuclear weapons then it is ok for another to have them.

Which situation do you think is worse? Nuclear armed India & Pakistan or Israel & Iran squaring up to each other.

I had rather hoped the world had progressed beyond this. Please don't mention the United Nations. The longest running & most expensive practical joke ever played.

Telemachus (The real one) says:

Telemachus No.2

I am glad we agree on the issue of stoicism with the soldiers although I must protest the use of my "handle" as I am quite fond of it and also I don't know who I am actually addressing.

They (the soldiers) should have at least held out until a gun was put to their heads or thumb screws or something. If that was the case fine otherwise it was less than professional.

Israel. I know nothing about it nor want to, I have no connection to the politics of Israel. So yes it was inapproriate to use Israel as a depictor for Iran's feelings for the West as it is clearly not representative of the West. I also don't know Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's true feelings towards Israel as I haven't had brunch with him in quite some time either but I believe the relationship is less than good. Iran, however, is a Muslim Theocracy and an extreme one, is non compliant with international protocols and it may be just my opinion but I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

"This is NOT the medium to be discussing it, but it is the medium to research it."

I don't think it is really your place to tell me where or how I can discuss anything. Unless you are the blog owner...David is that you?

[No - David]

Also your realtivistic censorship of "this is not the place for... but the place for... betrays more of a desire to control people than to see a topic discussed appropriately.

"AND as James Baker has said, it must be solved through diplomacy and the scrutiny of the Israel lobby in the US."

I do not share you vested emotional interest in Israel's politics and will not be censored by some jingoistic, facist who uses his caps key as if he was expounding on the word of God.

Incidently Aljazeera an Arab news agency, along with the BBC and most every other news agency, also covered Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's "wiped off the map" comment...

http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/
archive?ArchiveId=15816

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

One would assume they got the translation right perhaps you feel they didn't...

Telemachus says:

Wombat

The April 17, 2007 8:37 PM comment was not mine. I have written a response also as Telemachus (the real one) which should be above this one.

A note to retards:
The "Your name:" field is for ...your... name

Telemachus says:

Sorry just one more.

Wombat
To paraphrase the great Forrest Gump...

"U.N. is as U.N. does"

kwai mai sabai says:

The fake copy Telemachus has a similar writing style to Prufrock.

"(I bet the ragheads got 'em into a friendly fough-bouwgh chat, among other things including bringing up the Makita cordless in conversation (heel and ankle 3/8" holes "done" to their own kidnapped diplomat during a US supervised "interrogation") ;-)"

Was he so drunk he forgot his own handle or is he just being a shit-disturber, per usual?

Telemachus says:

KMS,
I thought the same thing. I was going to say "Anymore pretentious and you could be Prufrock" but I thought, no, it is a normal person albeit slightly retarded. I should have known. I only ever react that severely to that muppet.

"Was he so drunk he forgot his own handle..."

Hmmmmmm I think it was a bit of a Freudian on his part and he just wishes he was me ;) or more probably just wishes he was someone else.

Prufrock says:

Sorry about that Telemachus. My bad.

Common Sense says:

Mr Thaksin,
I'm not exactly following your "White Guilt" and calling dark skinned people cowards post.

Please explain further so I can adequately explain to you how much of a stupid cunt you are.

Prufrock says:

@ Telemachus: I would like to reply to the post you were kind enough to furnish after I've had time to dig out my source for the Adminijad quote.
I appreciate your re-take on your use of Israel. I would like to proceed with osme sort of discussion on this Iran matter.
I do not trust them either but I trust the US foreign policy mavens to the same extent.
We don't need a third anti-Islamic theater.
I have only interests vested in information which can be supported. As has always been the case, I am also willing to change my opinions in the face of new information.
I have no interest in corresponding with a poster whe seeks refuge in insults when someone of at least equal or better language skills puts something up.
Leave that shit to Kasman, dorkdinglerrb Summers, and the rest of his fantasy park of psychos. If you'd care to correspond in this vein let me know.
Again my apologies for accidentally keying your name.
You might consider dropping some of your more gratuitously insulting invective.
If not we'll continue to ignore one another.

dingdongrb says:

"I've no reason to mock non-Christians because they don't go around bugging people in Nana Plaza." - David

David, I guess you need to get back to Nana some day or else get your head out of your ass the next time you're there.

(BTW, you can actually tell a non-Christian just by looking at them? And I didn't believe you were God-like until now.)

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Hi dingdongrb

With you, Eyepopper, Kasman and a few one-post wonders all singing from the same sour-grapes hymn sheet, I have to conclude that someone is trying to manipulate this forum.

Assuming that he wants to hang on to some shred of dignity, Keith should quit the online stalking and go back to assembling fairy-lights (or whatever it is he does).

Regards
David

dingdongrb says:

"Keith,

You state in ur post,
"BTW Road Natzi you a IDIOT".

Something just doesnt read right there, no who's the idiot????" - Road Nutzi

Hey Road Nutzi, yours is better? You fuckin pea-brain piss head.

dingdongrb says:

Once again David, I'm not KS, I'm not Kasman, nor am I eyepopper.... I have and will only post by this one handle. I'm not ashamed of it. Now may I ask what makes you so fuckin God-like that you can actually look at a person and tell whether they are Christian or not? I'll tell you, you don't have a clue. Just like Pruie and some others on this site, think you're all a bunch of writers. Bahhhhh... Those of you are typing away so fast you don't know what you're typing half the time. Let alone make any sense. I say slow down, take a Quaalude, relax, take a deep breath, and think before you make bold ass statement that reflect your idiotic character of knowing it all.

What? Can't you admit when you make a wrong statement? I'm not trying to start the religious bashing, I'm just saying that you're wrong, you can't tell a Christian from a non-Christian just by looking at them. That's like looking at a Thai lady walking down the street and being able to tell whether they work in the bar scene or not. You're flat out fuckin wrong. Admit it you punk. Can't find the proper words? No, you can't so you weasel around by thinking everyone is KS or someone who they're not. Take another tactic, that one's getting old.

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Hi dingdongrb

I was referring, of course, to those religious nutcases who preach and sing at Nana Plaza.

http://www.mangosauce.com/news/nightlight_
missionary_position_thai_prostitutes.php

Spotting them doesn't require God-like powers of observation.

Who did you think I was talking about?

Maybe you should ease-off on the Quaaludes because they seem to be impairing your judgement.

Regards
David

Telemachus says:

Prufrock,
Done and done. Mostly I enjoy light hearted posting in the spirit of Mango but ocassionally I do enjoy the odd invective or two. Sadly I can get a bit gratuitous so in light of your personable post consider a detente in effect between the warring nations of Prufrockstan and Telemabijad. Now what am I going to do with all these WMDs.

Prufrock says:

dingldanglebp (bp for blue pill)
This is gonna hurt but you should bear in mind that I am once again breaking my vow of silence to torment you and you should show the appropriate signs of deference and respect.

You've reached what we writers refer to in the world of semiotics as "critical mass".

You may or may not have felt a certain fullness or a slightly "noirish" angst overtake your waking hours these past few days. ("noir-ish" is sort of French-ish but it's a term well known to film buffs and seedy chaps who sport tweed elbow patches on their safari shirts)
This angst you feel is identical to what others who've shouldered burdens similar to the one you have been displaying to us here at Mango Sauce, have reported.

Your current unfocused anxieties usually present contemporaneously with the realization (by the majority here) that you, whether or not you are Keith Summers, might just as well BE Keith Summers.
It is You as SUMMERS and not as SUMMERS who have contributed to the searing meta-reality that you currently face.
And if by some quirk of reality, you indeed are not Keith Summers, you should look into scheduling the requisite program of surgeries and psychotropic chemotherapies that will in effect render you the paragon of Kasmanesque-Keithiness. Might I suggest that you begin your chemo with a nice cleansing quadruple hit of "Windowpane" or a double or "Orange Sunshine". The You should double your daily Prozac abuse to three. And for desert i'd suggest a chaser of Vallium washed back with a tumbler of cheap, Czech absinthe. And then it's off to a three-day Ad Carabao concert.

Now, the SECOND semiotic upheaval in this current series of Mango Sauce epistemic tectonics would be your sudden realization of the cruel fact that, as of last week, practically ANY series of letters, as long as they have that certain number of ringy-dings and r's and the odd "b", will alert all but the most obtuse FUCKWIT (the kind of twat that can't understand that what god gave him in the engineering room he took away in the composing room) i.e. that it is indeed YOU on the other end of the line. THAT YOU INVARIABLY OUT YOURSELF: NO ONE HAS TO DO IT :-)

David has been kind enough to redesign his blog in anticipation of your supernova presentation sometime during Friday's airport time (you seem to spend an awful lot of time in airports there, dingledangleburp

I hope (but only a little) that this has gone some of the way in helping you to make that decision to stop being such a prodigious arshole (probably not, though) and that you will start by attempting to show some respect for the person who puts this site together and most importantly the posters who sneak into "First Class" to torture arseholes like you and Kasman and Summers.

BTW, ringydingy, I do this in the morning after I finish my reps and in the evenings after I finish my push-ups.

I would fucking just love to meet you someday for that elbow-smash surprise. Either way it'll be a big surprise to Summers cause he's the one I know best. I'll take my fucking chances with the Kas-stone cops and your loutish Landmark crowd of onlookers.
BTW
I usually carry enough money to get the cops to hammer your fucking Elmer Fudd face smartly into ANY cage-lockup floor.

But like you say. That'll NEVER happen.

fbuom says:

David,

"... I have to conclude that someone is trying to manipulate this forum."

I agree.

On another post - you know the one I mean - ?

fbuom

Prufrock says:

@Telemachus who says "Now what am I going to do with all these WMDs" May I suggest that your WMD inventory might be more aptly suited to "Summers the leech" and his most easily identifiable pack of identuties.
I'd suggest that we all take inventory of our least favorite commentators here, divide them into two groups, those who can write an English sentence without using what Common Sense has referred to as "Stoopid engineer language" and poor spelling and most significantly, deranged reasoning and absurd logical models (usually faulty inductives and then separate the SUmmers type shit from the rest.
We can easilt consult of borderline cases and sewly hatched identities. Summers , as the blog owner has advised Summers, as an E-Bay beggar can dp ISP flips but as I've mentioned there is a soups stain or a frayed colar to be seen anytime Summers grabs his key board for a wank.
He's busy with his column now, stacking up another pro-tourism hand job for those at Min-Com who he seeks to impress.
But je's easily has. His medication is going to get the better of him and he'll be overdosing. (Remeber, he's a dry-drunk) He has already presented as an obsessive compulsive (fits) and his self justified motives for the moral crusade you mention are bizarre for a man who seeks to form some kind of bond with the evil "Dexter Horne" and to establish a beach head for mass sex tourism here in this peaceful morally irreproachable land of propriety.

So far (excluding Summers "purpose" identities I've got three for him. There are others but Keith's insane style and nut-bar reasoning shine through every time.

dingdongrb says:

David, Once again you're speed-typing as well speed-reading. Please slow down and take the ludes, it's apparent that you need them much more than I do.

What I mean is this? Your comment, and I quote, "I've no reason to mock non-Christians because they don't go around bugging people in Nana Plaza.", does not say anything about identifying Christians, because we can identify them when they are preaching about. Your quote says that you can identify 'non-Christians'.

Well I hate to say it but unless the Christian types that are preaching and trying to force Christianity upon you are in your face, you really can't tell who is who. Of course unless you are the 'God-like' person called Lord David from Mango Sauce.

----Get a life and some ludes.... You can't even remember what you say...

Your rebuttal:

"I was referring, of course, to those religious nutcases who preach and sing at Nana Plaza."

'Of course', everyone knows what you intend to say, hell you don't even have to say it and we know what you mean. Damn maybe the next time you want to write one of your lame stories you can just leave the page blank and we can all just assume for ourselves what you are writing about.....

flewbiddy says:

I've seen the "Dancing Missionary" quite a few times, and indeed he stands out from the rest of the punters with his sharp suit, apparently cheerful demeanor and witty repartee with the Thais. Does anybody know his story? Is he known by all and sundry as the Dancing Missionary for a reason (i.e. because he's actually a missionary)? The guy is more intriguing than the nana prowler could ever hope to be.

Prufrock says:

@ Flewbiddy: Hi. First let me just say what a pleasure it is to be answering a post about something other than web crazies or slagging someone off.
The DM (my name for him BTW), one I share with the odd savvy BG, is a real person. He is as I mentioned NOT a missionary. He has an operation here and I'm not at liberty to say what it is. (not fair, right?)
He just like to boogie. And he likes to sapeak Thai. And he likes to interact in his own way with these demimondaines. When you encounter him initially you want to laugh. But that is the case with most "originals" is it not? He's a loner, rarely sits and he just loves to "have a few after the office". It's his innocent joy and the unabashed glee he brings into a bar which I find rather refreshing and delightful.
I just reckon he's working on his endorphin levels after a hard day at the office.

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