Why do farang girls hate Thailand?

Claw Dagon says:

I feel not a whit of sympathy about Farang females
being lonely in Thailand.
The shoe is on the other foot here.
The Farang Ladies can no longer treat Men like doormats and get away with it.
Yes, few Thai Women speak English and having a deep conversation may be hard until you both learn more of each other's language.
But I prefer being treated with affection and respect by a sweet young Thai Woman than listen to a put-down of Men every five minute by some angry menopausal gringa with a law degree.
Face it, Western Women have lost any semblance of femininty.
They had it together, about 50 years ago.

Claw

Paul says:

Claw is clearly a sociopath who cannot deal with people on a normal level. Clearly unable to get laid at home he has to come to Bangkok and take advantage of his economically superior position and pay girls to touch his, no doubt bloated and disgusting body. get a life you sad shit.

clawdagon says:

Thank you Paul for such a insightful and wise response.
I can only guess you are a Farang FemiNazi masquerading as a Man on-line who is outraged that
Heterosexual Men are actually expressing their sexuality.
Gee after trashing Men for most of your Life you expect them to be attracted to you?
Make sure you don't run out on AA batteries.

Or perhaps you are a SNAG( Sensitive New Age Guy) fresh out of his "sensitivity" group who identifies with "Women's" pain and need to justify his existance.

Go reread your "Iron John" manual and get in touch with your feelings.
It's not my body that is bloated , heh heh!
I am going to find another sweet young Thai and with her willing help keep me happy.
I sure do love being loved and being on top on a sweet Thai YW whenever I want!

Claw

kaino says:

western women suck almost as much ass as paul. i definitely agree with claw.

Iman says:

I also definitely agree with Claw. Paul -- with respect -- you are either a loser or indeed some dumbnut feminazi coward masquerading as a man. Go back to your "cave" now.

Sharon says:

It is really sad the so many men are threatened by women having equal status and power. I do not believe that women should downgrade men, any more than I feel men should downgrade women. It is unfortunate that western men feel they can only be happy when they are worshiped by another human being-often going to other countries where women do not have the right of equal status. Get some self-confidence already.

yabs says:

They deserve all they get!
I was approached by a western girl in Phuket
who was obviously having a hard time with the lack of attention. She almost threw herself at me and said quietly in my ear that she and her mate were
out looking to get laid. i was in the star wars nightclub at the time in patong surrounded by few hundred thai lovelies. back in England obviously i thought it would be a dream come true to get a girl acting like this. however in Thailnd we have the upper hand so i decided to use it. I told her if that was the case that she was maybe in the wrong place and perhaps she should try her luck elsewhere. She looked like i had thrown molten metal in her face. This was beginning to give me far more enjoyment than shagging her ever would.
'What do you mean', she responded.
"i mean look around you' I relpied and pointed to all the thai ladies.
I continued to tell her how the arrogance of the western female had become increasingly offputting and thats why most males in the know were now coming to thailand. She then tried to come over all softly, softly and tried to explain she wasn't one of these types. She then put her arms around me and
whispered 'please' in my ear.
I was loving this. I finally pushed her away and said that i wasn't the slight bit interested.
I could see her the tears of humility rise in her eyes and then she stormed off.
I felt a feeling of power wash over me that i'd never felt before.
Western females do this to men all the time in the west and it was superb to be able to enact the same punishment.
She was lucky though. i could of got her to buy me drinks all night whilst pretending to be interested and then gone off with someone else and the end of the night!

mr peter says:

Great stuff Yabs, nearly fell off the chair laughing. It's great to hear about western slappers getting a taste of their own behaviour. I would love to do the same, but unfortunately I'm so unattractive even desperate fat arsed lardies ignore me, thank god-peter

earth says:

Yabs, thank you for doing the right thing. I can remember so clearly that I was treated countless number of times as doormat/shit/ghost by western woman. I wish more of them will get a taste of this then they will finally understand why men come to Thailand.

Hua Nguu says:

Backpacker chicks not desireable in Thailand?
That is definitely not my impression.
I have been living in thailand for several years and countless are the times thai guys have said to me that they wanted to try out a farang chick.
Likewise, backpackers tend to congregate in all the same places, Samui, Phangan, Tao, Chang, Krabi, Khao San Road etc etc. where they often outnumber the locals in their usual hangouts. And I have definitely never noticed that it should be a problem for a farang chick to find a farang guy for a night.
Now, if you are talking about the entertainment zones of Thailand. Patong, Patpong, Nana, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya etc. that is entirely a different matter, but backpackers are usually not big on that scene anyway.

Cheers
Pescator

Nong says:

Oh please, it's easier for western women in Thailand than western men outside of the redlights, like Pescator said. I was asked out regularly by foreigners, sometimes Europeans and North Americans and often other foreigners. When it comes to Thais, you guys pay or at least need money to be considered boyfriend 'material'! It's really pathetic except for the extremely rare relationship between a Western man and Thai woman that isn't only disgust disguised (for financial security or a fee) as 'affection and respect'. I've never heard of a western woman having to pay a Thai man either. That's ridiculous. Thai men asked me out and when that didn't work some resorted to offering me money. Good luck with your STDs and keep dreaming.

Bob says:

I've laughed my ass off at your articals. I'm 54 years old, I live in a town in Calif. If you don't count married women and fat slobs, you are out numbered ten to one. So everything your saying hits home. I'll be in Thailand in twenty five days. Two weeks of heaven. Believe me, its get even time with western womens attitudes. I can hardly wait to see them topless on the beach in Ko Samui. I love reading your articales. If we run in to each other, by chance. I'll buy the drinks, guaranteed.
Bob

Tony says:

I agree wholeheartedly with every chauvanistic comment I have read so far. where in the west can you go and get your scrotem sucked inside out, by a gorgeous caramel skinned young woman for less than the price of a decent fucking t-shirt? Keep it up, who in their right mind would swap this for spending all night, and spending christ knows how much. Chatting up some pimple backed cellulite sow, only to get ditched at the end in favour of some prick with a rolex. Not me thanx .......chock dee!!!!!!!

stu_$ says:

err, im only 29 but i have had nothin but bad luck with ladies in my country (australia),
i wont say im handsome but i'm sure that im not ugly either...just normal
the amount of times i have been teased to breaking point then rejected at the last minute is more times than i care 2 remember,
i even had a farang lady down to her knickers once, she rubbed my crotch and said
"do you want it ? "
i blurt out "oh yeah !"
she pulls her pants on and walks out !

i have touched a farang since...and i do my best not to speak to them, i much prefer to crawl thru a dictionary with an isaan lovely
thailand rocks...long live the king
stu_$

Kevin says:

Western Girls Hate Thailand because the White Men here are NOT subservient slaves like in the pathetic west. How can you compare a sweet, young, thin, beautiful Thai girl to a swollen, sour attitude Farang Gril backpacker?

Western Women can't handle men who are not \
SUBSERVIENT.

They treat Western Men badly at home and outside
the White Countries then men don't want anything to do with them.

White Women go all over the world and try to tell White Men what to do.

THEY ARE PATHETIC and quit asking me to dance in Thailand.

KEVIN

Claire says:

You guys are all sick fucks. The only reason you are lucky with Thai ladies is because they want nothing more than your money. They dont care how ugly you are they only think in the dollar bills that are heading their way once you touch them. You are considered lucky here because you have more money than they do but guess what dont expect to be leaving the country without a baby, a thai woman their family and shit loadz of STD's. Have fun guys fuck all you can but dont you fucking dare to put us FARANG girls down!!!!!
Claire

Claire says:

I forgot to mention I love living here in Thailand and every day I think about those poor Thai girls that are forced to be prostitutes cause they need to support their family by fucking all these ugly horrible farang man. ( I am a happy Farang girl in a happy relationship with a nice farang man.) Oh and by the way how come I do get lots of stares by white man seems like they do miss the whites...

mr peter says:

Claire you live in thialnd but think TG's are forced to be prostitiutes? nobody is forced into selling pussy anymore than people are forced to work at 7/11. I have just come back from bkk and I just love so much seeing the looks on those sad falang bitch faces-never seen one smile yet. Surrounded by other women so much better looking they are really seems to piss them off, so it makes me wonder why they go to thailand let alone live there.
Maybe the looks you get are because nobody has seen such an ugly fat arse for while?-peter

Kevin says:

Dear FARANG GIRLS,

You just cannot stand white men who are not subservient like in your own home countries.

ANd STOP all the nonsense that only Thai Girls want money.

WHITE GIRLS want MORE $$$$$ but they can't admit the TRUTH.

Euro Girls go to Nambia, Spain, Grrece, Italy and some African countries to PAY FOR SEX WITH THE LOCAL MEN.

I have seen them in Greece, Thailand, WHEREVER.

LIke the DUTCH GIRLS SAID: Not your Boyfriend,
not your BUSINESS.

WHite Men are FREE to choose whoever they want and it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

GO back to Khao San road!!!!

Kevin says:

Dear NONG,

You're such a BITTER GIRL!!! Of course Farang men who can't speak Thai and want to be your LAPDOG will ask you out. You give it away for FREE, right.

Give me a BREAK. It is BETTER to pay for a Thai Girl, who doesn't have your WHITE GIRL SELF CENTERED ATTITUDE. That's the whole point that you just don't get!!!!

English girls in Samui, Lamai Beach, have Thai Boyfriends, so they think, and buy them clothes, watches, food, drinks, hand phones, and eveything
else they ask for. Just so the Thai Guys will hang around and SHAG them. I have seen it MYSELF.
Don't DELUDE yourself.

Swedish girls pay the African Guys on SOi 3 for sex
too.

I speak Thai, I lived in Samui with my Thai Girlfriend, and the Thai Guys at
a certain nightclub in Lamai told me how stupid the White Girls are thinking the Thai Guys are not after their $$$$$$$.

When I lived in Scandanavia, English girls were known for being the UGLIEST GIRLS in Europe.
Even English Movie Stars are nothing special to look
at.

Yes, Nong, Farang Guys ask you out, they can see you
let any Farang Guy pay for your drinks, food, whatever, then are forced to listen to your
SELF-CENTERED ATTITUDE all night.

What kind of a Farang Loser wants a girl like that?
Khao San backpackers who wash their clothes in a sink and stay in bungalow that cost 150 baht and think it's expensive.

Quit using the name NONG you are not a Thai Girl.

THAI GIRLS get what they want by being sweet, nice & pleasant, that is the main difference between Thai and Western Girls.

Farang Girls whine about a lifestyle Thai Girls could only dream of. Farang Girls turn everything into a confrontation. I am glad farang men ask you out.
Subservient Men deserve a girl with your attitude.

Obviously you, and many other Farang Girls, cannot handle a man who doesn't OBEY you. True too many Western Men are so "in touch with their feminine side, they are more feminine than their Western girlfriends".

And it is REALLY RACIST to think every Thai girl with a farang is a Hooker. That is what happens when Western Women get ignored, they need a ready excuse to make them feel better.

I KNOW lots of beautiful, middle class, educated Thai Girls who would like a Farang Boyfriend.
They just aren't as AGGRESSIVE as Western Women. They are shy about their English and you have to get to know them through their friends, then they will accept you. The Good Thai Girls don't jump into bed with every guy who buys them food & drinks like a Western Girl does.

I am sure a girl who thinks about herself so much,
YAH LUNG THOWAHENG, NAH!!! could never accept the fact that many Western Men just don't want a
BOSSY, MASCULINE WHITE GIRL who says the sex is free, after you have taken her to dinner 10 times, and obeyed her every command.

It is not sad that Western Men come here for Thai Girls, it is SAD that so many Western Men stay in their home countries and OBEY overweight, self centered white girls.

WOW, THANK BUDDAH I am rid of Girls like you forever.

I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!!!

Kevin

Crash999 says:

Whoah... easy there cowboy! Methink someone slipped a little 'crazy drug' into your som tam.

Dhukka says:

JAYSUS! listening to some of the sad fucks that post here is comical. Personally I never subscribed to the theory that men who can't get laid in their own country come to Thailand - but this thread is eloquent proof.

Being used as a doormat, teased - a not too subtle admission that you are in fact a pathetic loser. Do you know why it's so easy to get laid back home? because guys like you have no clue. I know your type down to tee - the sad fuck who follows some hog around all night picking up her tab (and sometimes her mates) and paying her purile compliments in the hope of getting laid. Then a guy walks in chats to her for 10 minutes and they're out the door while your left with an empty pocket and another date with your hand.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a big fan of western women either, I'm quite partial to long dark hair and brown skin myself - I just feel sorry for those who had to come to Thailand to acquire a sex life.

Kevin says:

Dear DHUKKA & CRASH 999,

So anybody who prefers Thai Girls to Western Girls has something wrong with them? Or has a problem getting laid. Is that what you're saying?

How sad your mindset is. I can see you are very in touch with your feminine sides and the kind of guys who do whatever their Farang girlfriends tell them to do. I follow fat Farang girls around and pay their bills. You have been to "too many full moon parties" and dropped too much "e".
You have a bright future in comedy writing.

You should listen to the Dutch Girl I met on my first trip to Thailand, who instead of saying something bad about Farang Men who like Thai Girls, actually said : THIS IS WHERE I WOULD BE IF I WAS A GUY". Now there is a White Girl I can respect.

Ever considered that some men are FREE to choose who they want for their partner. I guess not.

You sound like some of the Farang women who sit up "like trained seals" an announce that any Western Man who isn't interested in them, has
"problems with Western women".

I had very nice Scandinavian Girlfriends when I lived in that area, now I prefer Thais'. Oops, I guess that means there is something wrong with me.

Sometimes I think these letters from Farang men are from Farang women trying to put their point across.

Ever considered that there are some Thai Girls who don't want a Thai Boyfriend "who steals money from their purse, doesn't want to work, drinks, gambles, sleeps around and rides around on a motorbike like a bigshot".

Does that mean there is something wrong with these Thai Girls because who don't choose Thai Men?

Freedom of choice is like Freedom of expression,
everyone has those rights. I guess if I am NOT
politically correct, I lose the right to think for myself.

You can have all the White Girls you want, and I will choose the Thais', but that seems to bother you.

If I am wrong, I am sorry, but WHY are you in Thailand if you love White Girls so much. Have you seen the White Girls who come here? Trying to tell all the Western Men what to do because they are JEALOUS and can't handle the competition.

If you like skiing you go to the best place, SWITZERLAND, if you like beautiful women who
don't act like men, and who are not trying to CONTROL you all the time, you come to Thailand.

I KNOW so many middle class Thai Girls who are educated, have good jobs, and just decent girls,
who are NOT interested in Thai Guys. And they don't need $$$$$.
Does that mean there is something wrong with them?

If you took the time to learn some Thai, and went to places where middle class Thai Girls go, you could meet girls like that too.

Why do you have to base everything on guys who run around with poor, uneducated farm girls?

Do you think Western Men go to Tahiti or Brasil
looking for White Women? Get real, it is a big world
out there, and many Western Men just won't
settle for a Western Girl, just because she
speaks English and is easy to talk to.

Understand? We have diferent points of view, but I will not tell you who you can choose for a Girlfriend. Can you say the same?

Bring on the bitter insults, unless you actually have an open mind.

Kevin

Kevin says:

Dear DHUKKA,

Just because I don't like self-centered, arrogant,

White Girls, doesn't mean I have been used by

them. I live in Thailand, but I don't sleep with

white girls just because they are so EASY and

speak English. It is not about SEX, it is THEIR

BOSSY, JUDGEMENTAL, ME FIRST ATTITUDE

that I resent. Especially the Euro Girls who come

here and JUDGE every White Guy they see.

I lived in SWEDEN so I know what they do

on Vacation. (Get drunk everyday & screw

everybody in sight)

Don't presume that you know me, I speak four

languages, can read the Thai characters and go

to Thai weddings, backstage to Thai concerts,

social events, art openings, etc, etc, because

I speak Thai well. Most places I go I see no

other Farang. I know a lot of Thai Superstar

Female Singers/Actresses because my best

friend is the #1 record producer in Siam.

So just because I don't like the WAY WHITE

GIRLS TREAT MEN, when I am in the USA or

Europe, doesn't mean you know anything about

me. O r that I am SUBSERVIENT like most

White Males.

White Girls are the easiest women in the WORLD

to sleep with, you want points for that? Any

BOZO who speaks English can sleep with White

Girls.

I find it RIDICULOUS that White Girls come

here, put the Thai Girls down, and PRETEND

they are free.

ABSURD. Thai girls don't have Alimony,

Palimony or False Sexual Harrasment lawsuits

like in the US.

Many Western Men who have been ripped off in

a divorce feel the same way.

So have FUN with the White Girls, now maybe

they will stop bothering me and asking me to

dance, just because I am White and they

can only speak English.

When you ONLY speak English you don't get

a true feeling for Thailand.

Most farang men in Thailand don't make the

effort to meet the GOOD THAI GIRLS, who have

and education, good jobs, and don't want $$$$.

But then most Farang I meet in Siam are Liars,

, Posers, Losers, or criminals who cannot return

to their own country. They only WISH they knew

the THAIS I know.

Learn the language and forget about

uneducated, eternally broke farm girls.

KEVIN

KEVIN

C. Sandesist says:

KEVIN: Now we talkin'! I hear you, man... Check out my post under "Losing The Plot" by Chuck Woww (names say a lot, don't they?). And look at how "TANAI KWAI" re-acted for a chuckle. C ya.

KEVIN says:

Dear TANAI KWAI & C. SANDIEST,

I speak Thai very well, but I would never use the

term FLUENT. However, a Farang can learn

Thai, have FUN with it and have a reasonably

good accent.

I LOVE the Thai Language, speak it everyday ,

not only in Thailand, but in LA too.

Ready for me to "pull my chain".? Twice

Thais' have told me I speak like a Thai,

but I know I will never speak "just like a Thai",

I am happy to have a decent Thai accent.

A Taxi driver once told me I speak Thai

CLEARER than JONAS ANDERSON.

I LAUGHED. As long as they understand me,

and I speak POLITE THAI, I am happy.

I have done so many FUN things in Siam

because I speak

Thai CONVERSATIONALLY, that I have been

VERY LUCKY to be invited to their homes, to

parties and interesting places by so many

Thais.

I THANK THEM FOR THAT.

I am still having FUN learning Thai Characters

and when I once thought they were too difficult,

I am SURPRISED I can read them.

BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK. I never said I

can read WAR & PEACE in Thai, but I really do

love learning Languages, always have.

I only learn Thai from Thais' and I have FUN

playing around with LAO also.

I applaud any Farang who learns Thai. Too many

only speak English and MISS OUT on so much

of Thai Culture.

Take Care, KEVIN

TANAI KWAI says:

Kevin,

Far too many farangs who have achieved even modest proficiency in Thai do not reflect your humility and gratitude.

KEVIN says:

Dear TANAI KWAI,

I LOVE living in Thailand and we Farang

are LUCKY to be here. Farang and Thai

alike should be more friendly, and understand

that none of us are PERFECT.

Thanks for your kind words.

WOW, I feel

sorry for "Thai Man" that he is ANGRY all the

time. He is SCARY. Is there any Farang

he doesn't hate? I must ASSUME he is not

a Buddhist with that attitude.

I hope he will learn to accept all people

AND THEIR OPINIONS.

I will alway be ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO THE

THAIS FOR LIVING HERE.

If Thai Man goes to America I hope he will

be treated well also. Thai Man, is it impossible

for you to be friends with a Farang? I like

being friends with Thais', I hope one day you

meet a Farang you do not HATE!!!

KEVIN

Combover says:

If I was a white girl I'd be off to Jamaica for my two weeks summer holiday every year.

I feel a sense that Thai (or Asian) women are to white women what black men are to white men. In each case there is often a feeling of hostility because of a fear (or knowledge) of some inadequacy in themselves.

C. WOWW says:

Hi C.Sandesist. You obviously know your stuff when it comes to pasar Thai maybe you can help me with something. This goes back to Hand Jive's original comment about my nom de plume.
He thinks chuckwow means handjob which we both know is incorrect. It's actually means kite flying. I suggested handjob in Thai would be nganmeu but on second thoughts I'm not sure. My question is...how would one say 'manual labour' in Thai? Hope you can help. Thanks in advance......CW

tonychang says:

....and how would one say "picking flowers" (one for the lay-dees)?

C. Sandesist says:

To David, Kevin, C. Woww, Tonychang and Tanai Kwai,

David: Just a quick shout out to you, man, as this is your site and all... Good fun! Khob Khun.

Kevin: We're definitely kindred souls regarding our feelings about living with and communicating with Thai people. Your frank and honest approach to expressing yourself about these things is to be commended. Khob Khun. By the way, Jonas Anderson doesn't speak Thai that clearly, and I have no doubt that you do speak more clearly than he or even Todd Thongdee does. I once saw 5 of these well-known (in Thailand) Thai-speaking farang together on a game show and when quizzed about the meanings of some fairly basic Thai idioms and slang references, all of them were clueless! Keep on smiling and keep up the good work.

C. Woww: I shouldn't have judged your book. That was "lame" of me. Please forgive me. Back to the language thing... I hope I don't further embarrass myself here. Of course 'chuck wow' means "fly a kite" and not handjob. There's even an old played-out joke about 'phom pai chuck wow thee Sanaam Luang', or something along those lines. Similar to how 'tdok bait' can mean something about fishing, but also (mostly) about a woman getting herself off. As far as I know, 'manual labour' is usually called 'rang ngaan' and the one who does it is called a 'kamakorn' (labourer). Hope that helps and that you weren't just pulling my leg. Also hope to get a chance to read your book someday.

Tonychang: Guess you could say 'gep dok mai' (technically, 'det dok mai'. That's also how Thai women used to excuse themselves to go take a leak. For a man it was 'ying kratdai' (shoot a rabbit).

And last but not least, Tanai Kwai: Speaking of someone having "gone native", what does your name mean (to you) anyway? If it has something to do with a buffalo ('khwai'), based on your other posts, I guess I can understand where you're coming from. But you lost me with the spelling and also by combining it with Tanai (could you have meant 'Thanai' (lawyer)? By the way, those looks that you and your expresso-colored girlfriend are getting from Thai people are not because they think she's "smoking hot". Far from it! Actually, never mind.

TANAI KWAI says:

C. Suckingmyballs: The stench of you simmering in your own juices is appalling. Stop obsessing about my post. You've obviously learned your lesson about being so insufferable since you are now licking ass with the best of them.

First you crap all over people then change your whole approach when someone holds up a mirror. You really should thank me, friend. Now get back down there and finish up. There must be someone on this board whose ass hasn't received a thorough sloshing.

C>WOWW says:

Khun Sandesist...thanks for 'rang ngan'. Always happy to learn something. As for your description of my book as 'lame' I'm not sure what to say. I don't think David's website is the place for me, as author, to be discussing the merits or otherwise of "Losing the Plot". 'Lame' does seem to be a curious word to use in a literary context especially since you haven't read the book but no harm done. I might even get some mileage out of it. Cheers....CW

Mick Channon says:

Tanai Kwai - I'm tired of your bullshit. You seem to be picking fights with just about everyone on this site. Meet me in Lumpini park for a straightner (fist fight, unless you want to spice it up a bit). None of my horses are running in the next two weeks so pick your date. I'm going to silence your whinging ass for good.

John U says:

Mick,

Did you use to play football for Southampton????

There can't be two Mick Channons surely???

John

C. Sandesist says:

One LAST word for Tanai Khwai: Whatever.

TANAI KWAI says:

Uh, okay "Mick Channon"/C. Sandlickmyself.

Hope you're having fun creating different personas now that you've perceived that nobody real cares.

"Meet me in Lumpini park for a straightner (fist fight, unless you want to spice it up a bit)."

Christ, who else but you writes like this? I wouldn't be in such a hurry to criticize C>WOWW -- your fiction SUCKS. Behind a workmanlike effort to disguise your "voice" you are still the same desperate, last-picked-on-the-playground" douchebag. I'm glad you speak some good Thai -- maybe if enough people ask you how to translate "hand job" or "twat tickling" you'll focus your efforts more productively. Seventeen years well spent.

"You seem to be picking fights with just about everyone on this site."

You are deeply confused; hoisted on your own petard of cloning yourself. If you were to keep clumsily reinventing yourself and I were to continue exposing you I suppose your moronic statement that I am picking fights "with just about everyone on this site" would ring increasingly true.

In the future, however, I will avoid engaging you or "Mick" or "Hemorrhoid Sam" (or whatever the next one you pull out of your ass is called) lest you be encouraged to pollute these boards with ever-taller mounds of shit.

(winky)

John U says:

Well, if you're right Tanai Kwai, I feel a bit of a twat thinking Mick was an old footballing hero of mine.

However, he can do this by not providing his email address can't he?

So he's a gutless cunt, just like you and all the other gutless cunts who are scared shitless of putting their email address to their writings.

KEVIN says:

DEAR C. SANDIEST,

Thanks for your compliment. I hope the

people on this website, THAI & FARANG alike,

will proceed, to have open discussions, as we

should, but not to fight with each other.

I will try to be diplomatic too, because even

if I do not agree with everything said here,

we all have a Right to our say.

Good Luck to all. And to the Thais', just because

we criticize something doesn't mean we don't

like Thailand, only that we want things to change

for the better, esp. for the Thai people.

To the THAIS' THANK YOU for letting us live

here, NEVER FORGET, we FARANG LOVE MANY

THINGS ABOUT THE THAI CULTURE!!!!

KEVIN

KEVIN says:

DEAR COMBOVER,

What are you trying to say? That anyone

who prefers Thai Women has some problem?

Just curious, we all have our opinions, right!!

By the way, have you ever been to Jamaica?

A friend who has been all over the planet once

told me the COUNTRY he would never go back to

is JAMAICA. Maybe you should visit and then

give me your assesment.

White Women who go to Jamaica, he told me,

go for sex with Black Men, and give them

money.

Fair enough. I read an article about a Bar in

Japan, where lonely Japanese Housewives

pay go-go Boys for sex, and fight over them,

just like farang do here.

To each his own.

Anybody ever been to Jamaica? Let me know

what it is like.

KEVIN

KEVIN says:

Dear CLAIRE,

I am happy for you that you have a good

relationship with a Farang man. SO WHY are you

so UPSET & clearly JEALOUS that Farang men

men have so many beautiful Thai Girlfriends?

You are TYPICAL of White Women who go around

the world telling White Men what to do.

IF it is not your boyfriend, it is not your

business.

White Women want MONEY TOO, I hate to

break it to you!!! All WOMEN WANT $$$$$$.

You show me just "ONE COUNTRY IN THE

WORLD" where the women do not want $$$$$$$

and the planes will be full 24 hours a day

with Western Men going there.

White Girls come to Thailand and when they

discover the White Men here are not

"SUBSERVIENT" and threatened with ALIMONY,

PALIMONY & BOGUS SEXUAL HARASSMENT

LAWSUITS

like in their home countries, and they say all the

things you said "to cover their insecurity".

I have been to over 50 different countries, and

Western Men receive BETTER TREATMENT in

every single country, outside of Europe, the USA

& Australia. Feminism has really screwed

up the White Girls and taught them that "MEN

ARE THE ENEMY"!!!!!

It has nothing to do with MONEY, but that does

make White Women feel better.

One night I heard a bunch of Farang Guys saying

that Thai Girls only want MONEY. An older man,

standing nearby, said, "Excuse me young men,

may I say something". Of course they replied.

The Older Man uttered these WISE WORDS

OF EXPERIENCE, "AMERICAN WOMEN HAVE

STOLEN 3 HOUSES FROM ME, WHAT ARE THE

THAI GIRLS GOING TO DO, THAT HASN'T

ALREADY BEEN DONE"? INDEED!!!

And to all the White Girls who always talk

about MONEY. I have heard from a Journalist

friend, there is a book being written called

"FEMALE SEX TOURS" about all the places White

Women go in the world and pay the local men

for sex.

Can you handle the TRUTH?

We will see. Why is it that ONLY WHITE WOMEN

believe in the fairy tale that "sex is FREE".

Men always pay one way or another".

Some men want sex, but don't want to get

married or

have a relationship. And they certainly don't

need the permission of JEALOUS White Women

who they have NEVER EVEN MET.

Why do you have "such a hard time accepting

that Men are free to choose who they want"?,

And so do you. LIVE & LET LIVE, can you do

that?

KEVIN

Combover says:

My point was nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of liking Thai (or Asian) women.

Merely, supporting the point that some western women are hostile towards Asian women and the men that are attacted to them.

Perhaps they feel threatened and insecure that their inability to compete on a physical basis with Thai girls is not overcome by what they see as superior mental compatability with "their" men. Therefore, in their minds the men and the Thai girls are at fault.

Similarly, some white men feel insecure about white women dating black men because of their own insecurities about penis size or whatever.

I see nothing wrong in middle aged (or any aged) white women going to Jamaica to bang beautiful, athletic young black men for money, just as I see nothing wrong with their male counterparts doing the same with lovely young brown girls in Thailand. That was the point of my (admittedly facetious) opening comment.

For the record I like Thai women.

Also I have been to Jamaica on more than one occasion. In fact I lived there as a kid. Jamaica is a beautiful country and in parts it is very dangerous (Kingston). In most places though it is pretty safe and people are as genuine and friendly as you would find anywhere. My main problem with the place is that so many resorts are "all inclusives" and the tourists never really see the real Jamaica, or spend their money with the local people who need it.

KEVIN says:

Dear COMBOVER,

Got it, now I UNDERSTAND. Thanks for

clearing that up.

I say "TO EACH HIS OWN AND EVERYBODY

HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHOEVER THEY

WANT FOR A PARTNER, LOVER, FRIEND, WIFE,

WHATEVER"

WHY do so many White Women get UPSET

if we Farang Men choose a Local Girl over them?

This seems to happen all over the world.

Does anybody remember the White Girl's

reaction in SUZY WONG, when William Holden

didn't fall in love with her "as she planned".

She got VERY NASTY about the ASIAN GIRL.

It's still happening, even when it is just an

ordinary Thai Girl. Oh well!!!

Take Care, Kevin

C. Sandesist says:

To John U:

Mick Channon might very well be your footballer. Tanai Kwai has Lost The Plot. Maybe he's just exhausted from all that having to "shoo away Italians and Thai policemen" from his LBFM!

TANAI KWAI says:

"Well, if you're right Tanai Kwai, I feel a bit of a twat thinking Mick was an old footballing hero of mine."

I keep hoping "Dan Marino" shows up. Loved that guy ever since the Dolphins drafted him in '83.

"However, he can do this by not providing his email address can't he?"

Yes, he could -- and, surprise, surprise now he has! Congrats C. Sblowingyourself, you are now one of the cool kids! By the way, aren't you going to include the e-mail for "Mick"? Surely he's got some balls as well.

"So he's a gutless cunt, just like you and all the other gutless cunts who are scared shitless of putting their email address to their writings."

While I won't deny I'm a gutless cunt, including one's e-mail address is hardly a test of manhood. [For one of those check out Richard Harris in "A Man Called Horse" -- he plays an English aristocrat captured by Dakota Sioux in 1825. He comes to adopt their way of life and eventually becomes tribal leader--but not before undergoing savage initiation rituals, such as being suspended by blades inserted beneath his pectoral muscles.] A fellow gutless cunt (jahjahlove@hotmail.com) reminds me that any jerk-off can go to hotmail.com and reserve gutlesscunt@hotmail.com with spineless anonymity. Some particularly rudderless jerk-offs might even establish several of these addresses, thus making sure identification more difficult but for their inescapably stilted, Dashiell-Hammett-with-severe-brain-injury writing style.

Having said all of that I do appreciate that as a matter of protocol and good breeding -- and in the spirit of community -- it would not be a bad idea to include an e-mail address. I will undertake to devise an address shortly after I prepare myself mentally and spiritually to "put it all on the line" thusly. It'll feel good to finally have some skin in the game.

John U says:

The catch is you have to use your own name to qualify as a Super Hero Internet Tiger.

I'll leave you to work out the short form. Smiley emoticom here.

(What is the fucking word? I just can't think of it. Must be my age. I keep thinking anagram, but know that's wrong. Somebody will put me out of my misery I'm sure) Angry emoticom here.

TANAI KWAI says:

If it's your own name I think it's an eponym.

If you are going by C. Slurpingmyself I think that's a pseudonym, or a nom de plume or, in some instances, a nom de clef.

John U says:

You missunderstand. I didn't make it that clear did I?

A word made from the initial letters of a phrase. e.g Super Hero Internet Tiger = SHIT.

TANAI KWAI says:

Got it. That's an "acronym."

John U says:

Thanks.

That's enough of that, we're raising the fucking tone here. It just won't do !

Mick Channon says:

Tanai, John - you two fuckers should meet up and get married or something. Enough of this on line dick sucking. I'll take both of you on in Lumpini park - fists only (that is, if you haven't got them stuck up each others arses).

By the way, one of my horses is running in a few weeks in the 4.50 at Newmarket. Get on it. You can get 14-1 now but it'll go in to 5's.

TANAI KWAI says:

C. Sandblowahorse, or should I say "Nathan" -- that is your real name, isn't it?

Well, you've goaded me out of my infinite state of haughty rebuke to pay you a compliment. You have invested much time going from post to post, doing your level best to copy others' words as you struggle to cobble together a personality. You have really started to show some initiative -- much like a pimply teenager spending countless hours on his haunches trying to blow himself.

Why not just embrace who you are -- an incredibly unimaginitive man who likes to fuck horses and knows how to demand hot horse-sex in Thai? After all, it takes all kinds.

I think there are probably some tough guys somewhere on the internet. You aren't one of them. (Unless, of course, the new breed of Ultimate Fighting Champions go around specifying "fists only" like a bunch of effeminate paralegals.)

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE euthanize "Mick" and come up with someone new. The Cockney anti-intellectual horsefucker idiom doesn't really suit you.

Here are some suggestions for future personae:

1. "Ass Licker" -- This fella likes to lick everyone's ass to curry favor from online strangers (Oops -- my bad -- you already did that one.)

2. "Toothy French Vagina" -- This Gal is ANGRY... and French!

3. "FRIENDLY YANK" -- This guy's friendly... but curiously, not American. He just wants to give you a handjob while whispering sweet nothings in your ear. As a bonus, he sprinkles in impeccable Thai colloquialisms that took 17 years of begging for mercy fucks to learn.

4. "I'M PROJECTING" -- This one projects his fantasies of dual man-on-man fist-fucking sessions on people who are trying to have a conversation.

Anyway, that ought to get you started, dipshit.

(winky)

C. Sandesist says:

Sorry David, Mick, and everyone else who used to enjoy this site before Mr. Kwai started flooding the comments areas with his babbling and blustering. I may have inadvertantly egged him on and now his panties are in a knot or something. Perhaps it was my comment regarding how ludicrous it is that he thinks Thai men find his LBFM attractive? Mick: I don't know why he thinks I'm using your name, but if you ever run across this loser please use your feet as well as your fists to shut him up for a while. OK folks, brace yourself for some more un-enlightening drivel from this dorky idiot after he sees this. I'll do my part by not saying anything for a while and hopefully he'll dry up and blow away. TK: Shhhhhhh...

TANAI KWAI says:

Ri-i-ight... I'm blustering but you're the one wanting to fist-fuck innocent men in Lumpini Park?

So let me get this straight: You are STILL representing that "C. Sandesist" and "Mick" aren't the same person?

Is that why your horsefucker Mick made nary a comment in protest when I accused him of being a figment of your diseased little mind? Instead, you just offered up another steamingly bad Michael Caine impression. God-DAMN, you aren't even good at masturbating are you?

I accuse "Mick" of not even existing and he goes into a schtick about some horse he wants to fuck at Lumpini Park. (I'd love to know the name of that horse you say you are running. I'm guessing he's got a muscular, sweaty ass.)

To clear up any confusion about whom I am addressing, I'll just call you "Nathan," the name on your passport.

Nathan, why do I make such sport of your schizophrenia? Because in a forum like this there isn't much worse you can do than to make up other identities to bolster your feebly devised and ill-considered opinions. It is even more damaging than your abject lack of anything interesting to say.

Sure, this business of posting on mangosauce.com is but a small diversion in this vale of tears. And yes, you are entitled to voice your opinions about the excerpts from "Losing the Plot," and to make breezy pronouncements about the quality of the author's art... Just as I am entitled to run a train through your ass for being arrogant and intellectually lazy.

But Nathan, when you bring "Mick" into the picture you cross a line that takes you beyond gutless cunt and into the realm of, well... cuntless gut.

Look around at this board, Nathan. THAI MAN wouldn't piss down Kevin's throat if his guts were on fire. But have you seen LAO MAN and CAMBODIA MAN show up to triangulate support for THAI MAN'S hopelessly provincial viewpoints? I think not.

You know the worst part -- for you, I mean?

You now have to post for both C. Sassfuckingagelding AND "Mick" if you want to maintain your tedious charade. For a lazy guy like you that's going to be a four-legged bitch.

But I think you've already tumbled to that conclusion.

(winky)

Mick Channon says:

Tanai

I've re-read your latest rant and for the life of me I can't make head nor tail of what you're trying to say. Get back on your medication you mad cunt. And by the way, the horse in the 4.50 at Newmarket's a cert. It's gone in to twelves but take it. The way things are going it could go off evens.

Kind regards

Mick

Richard says:

And what authority do any of you have defining the meaning of "love" ? I look for those who believe in the same meaning as I do - regardless of what "everyone else" believes.

TANAI KWAI says:

TIME TO EAT A WARM PLATE OF CROW DRIZZLED WITH HORSE POO LICQEUR...

Ok, Mick Channon. You have me convinced I need to get back on my medication. And yes, I am a mad cunt.

Your last transmission reflected far too much legitimate savvy to be the creation of poor Nathan. (When I read it, I grew alarmed, given that Nathan's expertise is in the area Thai colloquialisms for masturbation.) Apologies, Nathan, I shall never overestimate you again. (I will, however, continue to taunt you as appropriate.)

Mick, you write:

"And by the way, the horse in the 4.50 at Newmarket's a cert. It's gone in to twelves but take it. The way things are going it could go off evens."

Now if this horse were truly Nathan's I suppoose its most prominent tendency would be "always in rear." But Mick's final tip led me to question my crack sleuthing.

In America, of course, we have pari-mutuel betting since we've done away with fixed-odds bookies. The totalizations are out of the hands of individuals. In any case, I could see that Mick obviously knew something about equines.

Most admirable is that Mick was too much of a gentleman to put me in my place in the most simple and direct manner available...

John U. was absolutely correct: MICK CHANNON IS, IN FACT, THE GREAT FOOTBALLER OF SOUTHAMPTON LORE!!! (I would like to think I could show such restraint but I rather doubt it. If I were Mick Channon everyone would know it.)

Mick now dedicates himself to the breeding of horses. He also happens to be astonishingly successful in this endeavor. Read on and follow the links to "Where are they now?":

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/bob.dunning/mickchan.htm

Not to be an online dick-sucker but I am pleased to be in the company of someone of such extraordinary accomplishment.

I shall now skulk away in shame.

With kind regards,

Mad Cunt

TJ says:

My sweet Teerak is a middleclass girl from BKK. She never asked me for money, until she quit her job, moved to Norway with me, and had to stay some time back in BKK after that. She dont ask for much, she even got a job while she was there, so I didnt have to give her money,

She is polite, loving and caring, dont try to be equal me, but demands respect, love and affection in a way. Just like me. She never demand me to NOT use my money for what I want. She's never hungry, she have what ever she wants etc, but she dont use sex as a prize for doing the 'right things'.

My Teerak is pretty. She could find a rich man. But she met me.

I am an average NOrwegian lad, handsome too, just 30, earn well, divorced a local girl some years ago. She was sexy too. and clever and smart.

All woman wants money, secure future etc. All men want a nice attitude and respect.

Too many Farang girls act like bitches. Too many Teeraks dont.

I love my Teerak. Only her. I could choose any girl, not because I am rich, but because I treat people with respect.

If farang girls look at themself out in clubs in Europe/US, thay know why more and more men chose a SE Asian girl.

And became happy.

TJ says:

NO more TW for me!

rob says:

hey Kevin, you said that you knew of farang girls had Thai boyfriends in Samui and Lamai Beach. I just wanted to know if this was just a few girls with Thai boyfriends or this type of relationship was very prevalent there, and throughout Thailand for that matter. Thanks.

sunglasses Ron says:

OF COURSE ITS FUCKIN MICK CHANNON YOU STUPID FUCKERS

for christs sake who else would want to be that daft arm spinning janner twat?

better than his horses than micky quinn though, fat tashed horse buggering cretin (though he did model a lovely line of suits for mr Byeritr in teh early 90's)

anyway - fuck em both, nice black footballers, love then, FAKKIN LAV EM

T.J says:

fucking great reading you guys especially tony,dark and kevin. what a pisser of a site.!

Dibble says:

On the white women backpackers (oooh, sorry 'travellers'. LOL) going to Asia for a fuck - check out the fat hairy leggedy bitches that turn up in Nepal.

The only time I see the fuckers happy in Thailand is in the Departure lounge at Don Muang.

Cynic says:

Hey TJ where did you meet your teelak?

yabs says:

what i've experienced is this.
You take a western bird out and you immediately feel as if yuo are a performer. you have to entertain and it is wholyy a one way street. its what you can do for them, not once does a white falang slag ever try and contribute to the evening.
It is all about how funny or entertaining you are.
Soon as you fail to make them life like a comedian then they are off, simple as that.
When i've taken a thai lady out (non working girls i may add) they haev contributed as well, by making jokes and being genuiney intersted in you and wanting to make an impression on you.
The falang attitude is like "yeah I know you want to get into my knickers, so what are you going to do to earn it, and i bet i can make you do just about anything to get what you want, because we have what you want".
In thailand the attitude is more like
" I can't believe you are intesrested in me,
i want to know all about you and if you treat me well i will go out of my way to be treat you well.
How can i make you happy!"
theres a big difference.
And yes they are not scared of the traditional female and male role. they are feminine and proud of it rather than being a ladette!
falangs you have a lot to learn.
Just in case you look down on the thai "prostitutes though hear this.
this is a direct quote of a girl i knew at university.
After graduation she said
" I'm a bit dissapointed as i came to university to find a guy who is going to make it big and be rich like a lawyer or a doctor, I havn't found that guy.
I can't go out with you as I don't think you are going to be rich"
hmm and the difference here between a bar girl and this girl is??????????

Happy Joey says:

Farang womendont like Thailand prehaps when they see the Thai girls they most notice whoever made or design thai girls only gave them one cunt little ass not like farang women whogot realbig asses

Hppy Joey

NedKelly says:

The question - Why do farang girls hate Thailand ? Well I dont really know that they do, but based on the little information I have from the ones I know, they hate Thailand when they get treated like second class citizens by the Thai people they work with. One friend gets called into her bosses office to answer complaints from other staff about her dress sense. (she dresses smartly) How fucking bitchy it that ? The other one I know said she was pissed off with the hypocrisy and two faced behaviour of Thais.

In realtion to what some punters say here about farang girls. Being a farnag man I understand your viewpoints. Thailand is a paradise full of eye candy. But sometimes when I see a beautiful farang girl I find myself wishing for a piece of that too !! :)

firestarter says:

A wife is just a legal whore.

Anonymous says:

To FIRESTARTER : Your mother without any doubt!
LOL!
But my wife -no, my mother -no! My sister -no...
I respect the other.I respect the woman .What the hell! I'm so original in this freak place!

don says:

without getting too wordy, or into a sociological debate about why I prefer asian women... when I say "why have hambuger, when you can have Kung Pao Chicken?", men seem to always understand my preference.

learning says:

TO ALL THE STUPID MOLES WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING DOWN THAI GIRLS HERE'S A QUOTE. "You guys are all sick fucks. The only reason you are lucky with Thai ladies is because they want nothing more than your money. They dont care how ugly you are they only think in the dollar bills that are heading their way once you touch them." THERE YOU GO RUNNING MEN DOWN AGAIN AND YOU HAVEN'T STOPPED AT US BLOKES YOU EVEN MANAGED TO GET ONE OFF ABOUT THE LOWER THAN YOU THAI GIRLS. US BLOKES ARE GOING THERE HAVING A GOOD TIME
AND JUST MAYBE THE GIRLS AND THE BLOKES HAVE SOME NEEDS FOR FILLED. YOU STUPID MOLES ACTING LIKE YOUR SO MUCH BETTER THAN MEN AND WOMEN YOU DEEM UNFIT FOR YOUR SISTERHOOD. FUCK OFF BACK TO UNI.

Kristina says:

It's so funny to read all of the comments from men about the fat and ugly farang women in Bangkok. Are there ANY attractive farang men living in Bangkok. I certainly haven't seen any. The funny thing is, my female Thai friends (who happen to be gorgeous) agree with me. As far as I'm concerned, knock yourselves out, take 10 wives here. Be Happy! And you're absolutely right Bangkok is No place for a farang girl or a Thai girl (with a choice), SLIM PICKENS!! I feel sorry for my friends I have to leave behind when I go back to the states. I promised I'd send some better male representatives of the west to visit. I know so many great guys there.

Abrak says:

Kristina,

So very right and sooo very wrong.

First you are right - farangs are very spoilt in this country, just like you are very spoilt in America. Farang guys can get all sort of great girls who wouldnt give them the time of day in the USA. So it is not surprising that farang guys run around like kids in a candy shop.

But where you are very wrong - is to send all those 'great guys' over here. I guarantee a few weeks here and those 'great guys' will be having a different girl every night and lovin' it. So my advice is - if you want to keep 'em 'great', keep very very quiet about Thailand!!

Cynic says:

Kristina:

I first lived in Thailand for about a year at the age of 23. At that time there were very few Farang men under 30 years of age here. I came back aged 29 and am living in the same apartment complex. There are now heaps of good looking guys in their twenties living there. Most of them have Thai girlfriends. Most of them have chosen to live here after initially coming for a holiday.

At the same time - you should not waste a second worrying about someone who claims they will only sleep with Asian women. Never let other peoples narrow mindedness cause narrow mindedness in yourself.

Are all Farang women in Thailand fat and ugly? No. Are all Farang men in Thailand old and decrepit? No.

TANAI KWAI says:

Cynic,

To clarify, are you suggesting that the amount of young male farang models has markedly increased in the last six years, since just 1998?

Or are you merely saying, as an aside, that you returned to Thailand at age 29 -- but that it has, in fact, been longer than six years since the phenomenon you describe has manifested?

(...)

Combover says:

Kristina - show this to your friends to remind them what else they're missing back home...

http://www.glossynews.com/artman/publish/we-should-be-chicks-698.shtml

Just to back up a couple of other comments; there certainly is a surfeit of aging, ugly, balding, sweating, whoring, losing-the-plot, wannabe casanova-cum-rock-stars in Bangkok. But surely the most galling thing is that you don't even get a sniff of a chance with the fit, bright, funny, interesting, well-travelled, younger candidates, In fact - they show so little interest in you that you don't even know that they exist, let alone suspect that they might be all over the cooler parts of Bangkok with their Thai girlfriends.

Cynic says:

Tanai:

Yeah, I think there are more young guys here than when I first arrived. Well at least where I live, which is the same place I lived in 97/98. At that time I was considered 'young'. Now I know 21 year olds who have been living in Bkk off and on for 2 or 3 years. I'm not referring to male models either, although in my building there are a few of them around as well.

The main thing I'm trying to point out to Kristina is that plenty of the farang males who choose to make Bangkok their home are not here because the women of the West reject them, as she seems to imply.

Lastly, although I've been married to a Thai girl for a long time now, if things ever went awry I would not be restricting my romantic efforts to Asian women.

Combover - nice and concise!

the dragon says:

how cute and amusing. Listen there are a few nice white women, you just need to pick them up by their nipples and speak to them correctly.
Only fat white women should go to Jamaica, or rich skinny white women, but they are snorting coke on the riviera.
Now if I was in Phuket and was approached by a nice white women who was begging (properly mind you) and offering her frined as well, both slender, I would lift them by their nipples for a bit of a chat. See if they ahd the proper attitude for my tastes.

Now do I think ALL women should be submissive? NO!

my god there are far too many wankers out there who need a good beating and bit of a strap-on up the bunghole to think we could get by without some bitches.

My finacee is Chinese. She is quite domineering to whimps she orders about and the young ladies she brings around as gifts to me. She loves being whipped by me.

Now I know I am not your run of the mill gent, but I am handsome and even charming. I am even quite polite to those women who are not my cup of tea. When tehy are real ball busters, they fall into two groups; ones I walk away from and ones who are looking for a man who will slap them down and fuck their throats,then tell them that is not good enough "I said esophagus!"

Thosof us who are white think we should be priveldged. We get it drummed into us everyday. Trailer trash whore who find true love as a whore (Pretty woman with whats her face and Richard Gere).

Cinese are raised to tell you every 15 minutes how they have 6000 years of history, of course few of them know ANY of it nor the fact that most of the stuff was burned a couiple of times and there are massive gaps. They know THEY are better.

We all know the joke of the French man fucking the dead woman and saying "Oh I thought she was English." because the limey gits know thsoe frogs are sub-human.

I love French women who know how to use a razor which seems to be only 1 in 100 and I have heard rumors of French men who are human.

Of course Thai women are perfect.

This is why the only country in the world which has hospitals specializing in sewing your cock back on are in Thailand.

Yes American have the Bobbit girl. but trust me most American or English women only rip your balls off through your wallet.

Gentlemen, you need only pay more attention to your women. Pay attention every day. When she gains that extra pound, tie her up and whip her ass then fuck her. If you cannot last more than 10 minutes and most of you wankers can only last 1 to 3 minutes, then you need to bring over a few friends to fuck that extra fat off her.

Ladies stop getting pissed off when men find women who like tham, for love, money, big cocks or whatever. You are fucking those other men for love, money, bigger cocks or ....?

the submissive asian woman only exists before she is married, unless you are dominant and keep up the whipping. Even then, trust me she is still a myth.

Western white women are far more submissive in general, after you get past the noisy opening credits.

And for you feminists who were spouting about equality, show me the man you would allow to be equal with you.

What woman is going to be stupid enough to give up that much power.

as Nick Notle said

Women have half the money and all the pussy.

Drew says:

Just to clarify. No, I'm not a girl or a or some "sensitive guy". Lets just say that I've experienced both worlds of having multiple girlsfriends (both Thai and American). I can speak fluent Thai and understand Thai culture a lot better than most farangs. Let me tell you something. If you "khii nok's" would bother learning the language and go after girls other than bar girls or prostitutes, then you would realize that Thai girls are exactly the same as American girls. Yes, they do have feelings. Yes, they can be demanding and whiney. But a guy that can learn how to handle girls, can do it in any country. Just face it, wherever you go, girls are the same. So live with it, and quit going after hookers.

Just My 2 Cents says:

Ive lived in Thailand on and off for 4 years. To say there are not very attractive farang women is crazy. You only have to goto the full moon parties on Koh Phan to see hundreds of lovely swedish, french and israeli ladies running around with big grins on their faces! (I do have to say there are a few too many overhanging belllies on Koh San road though!)

Thai women are unique in Asia. Ive spent time in mainland China and Malaysia and I found the locals their very grim. Certainly I'd prefer a girl back home to any of these offerings.

I am fortunate to have a Thai girlfriend who Ive been seeing for a while. Shes very easy gonig like most Thai women and I love it. Shes generally happy doesn't need require 24/7 attention or use mind games to get her ways. I work long hours and I now dont think I have the energy to deal with white womens agendas!

Anyway the world is a great big place. What ever grabs your fancy grab it and enjoy it!

Peace.....

xgirlx says:

haha... what a bunch of stereotypical crap. i guarantee you that with all of the hot scandinavian, australian, and not to mention sexy thai guys in thailand who are not slurping up the fake flattering drivel from their purchased girls (intended of course to keep the cash flowing), that farang girls have no problem getting laid either on a short term or long term basis. but sexpats can keep telling themselves that to make themselves feel better for having to pay if they want to. :) we will continue to laugh at them behind their back just like their thai girls do....

sniffer says:

Agree with you re. farang men who don't see the ulterior motives of lots of Thai girls. Having said that, a lot of us are much more sussed than you give us credit for and enjoy the relationships while they last But, but, but...what a load of self-deluding drivel the rest is. What single farang woman in their right mind would choose to live in Thailand? They just can't compete with the (real) beauty and sexiness of the local women, their (real) sense of fun and the (beautifully acted) way they make their man or men feel loved and validated.
perhaps it's a shame that farang women seem lumpy, shrewish and generally a much inferior option by comarison but that's just the way it is...

Jeff Harding says:

Ultimately, these arguments are incredibly fucking sad.

sniffer says:

how so?

YouKnowWho says:

The Difference between American Men and Women:

Women want their men to be more like women...

Men do not, however, want their women to be more like men.

The Similarity between American Men and Women:

Women want their men to be more like women...

Men want their women to be more like women.

White women is the first step towards homosexuality!

www.bangkokrules.net

Get a life says:

If you've seen an obese retarded man in rural Scandinavia with his tiny thai wife you would see Thai-European marriages the way most Scandinavian do -- as a kind of prostitution.
A lot of people, women and men alike in Norway wants to outlaw mail-order marriage, and I, as a man agree on this.

Dave says:

well, with a post as racist and prejudiced as that, i think you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. and you do indeed need to 'get a life'.

GET A LIFE says:

Belive me, I prefer being alone and never having kids, etc., because I've had so much problems in my life.
There are rarely any "normal" men here in rural Norway who can't get a Norwegian girlfriend or wife. It's only the sem-retarded who have to buy their wives. I've seen wedding photos of Thai women with their 150-kilo bridegoom who are desperately trying to smile on their wedding photos. Yeah, that's real love!

Funny fact: "Farang" means food poisoning in central Norwegian dialect!

Anonymous says:

you just re-enforce what i just said. i bet you've never been out of Oslo have you.

GET A LIFE says:

I've never lived in Oslo.
My opinion is that if you can't get a Norwegian woman or don't want one, you can't take the easy way out and buy yourself a submissive slave from another culture.

mr peter says:

Dear GAL I am semi retarded and want to buy a submissive slave from another culture, where do I get one from though? I have never met a thai I could call submissive have you? so perhaps you refer to some other culture, ekimos maybe or whatever it is we are meant to call them these days or perhaps one of those juingle pygmies, they would be handy for shooting next doors cat with a blowpipe or skinning rabbits. I rather fancy Danish girls, can I buy one of them, after all most women have their price-peter

GET A LIFE says:

Then how come there are only obese men with a 1988-era James Hetfield look who parade around with their Thai brides?
These men are not what any women, Thai or not would choose voluntarily.

de says:

did someone force them do it?

GET A LIFE says:

Yes, the greed for village moron cash forced them to it.

John U says:

James Hetfield?

Andre says:

Had to laugh at YABS, nice work.
I'm 21, I fucked a white chick in Thailand.

But it's true.

Thai girls oooooze feminity. Even the lady-boys (which I'm not a fan of) act like women, and subconcioncous they know where they came from, adams hip! if you know what i mean

If you do your research (or just watch alot of TV) you'd know that humans are attracted to different traits in the opposite sex.

Dont quote me if I'm wrong but girls look for someone who is capable of protecting them (and their offspring, more importantly). There is a whole list of other things. Men like something, I cant remember because it wasn't important to me. And also, the reason we think someone is beautiful or not is to do with symetry, symetry of the face and body.

So what are you all arguing about? Things are they way they are. White chicks are fat and rude, Thai chick are money hungry and stupid(according to the majority of expats in Thaliand) so they both have their negatives as with everything.
But they both have absolutely amazing positives and if you can't say this about a western chick then it's because you haven't taken the time to listen to what she is feeling (not what she is saying in defence). It's quite typical for children and women to go on the offensive when threatened. Cue the SNAG attacks

So in conclusion, everyone deserves sex, you should give it to them! Now go forth and 'sex me daring' (for those with non-working thai girlfriends ;))
hahahahahahaha

GET A LIFE says:

James Hetfield is the singer and guitarist of Metallica. He used to have a Lemmy-inspired mustache and sideburns. I've seen to many 25-year olds with this in rural Norway...
Andre, you're right about the protection thing! This is exactly why European women don't want the weirdos who want a Thai wife -- they see a man that's not an Alpha male, a strong leader.
Some of these European men could get an European girlfriend if they got an education, cut of their ponytail, shaved of their mustaches and lost weight! I can't get a norwegian girlfriend, but I don't want one either, neither a Thai wife.

Thai Girl Who Speaks English says:

well,I didn't really read all those comments posted here. But thanks for hilarious article. Hmm.. and..better not to take it too serious :-) *smile*

Linda says:

As a Thai/Chinese woman who was raised in the States but lived in LOS for 9 years, I've seen both sides of the coin, and I do agree that many and I mean many farang woman have major issues. They just seem to be very selfish. Thai women are raised a little different, we were taught to revere our fathers and older brothers, husbands and men were taught to take care of woman, it's still very old-fashioned. It's not that we are subservient at all, it's totally the opposite, it's just that it makes a happy life if you have consideration for your partner. I see it as men have a role and woman have a role. In a relationship, white women tend to demand and expect what they think is rightly theirs but Thai woman want to try to please their man to get what they want, make them happy and we usually get it with a smile, it's just the way we were raised. It's looked down upon by friends and family if we can't take care of our respective wives or husbands.

Don't get me wrong, I like the farang woman way too, they are strong confident and agressive but I do believe that it shouldn't be used in a loving relationship, it should be used at the office.

I believe that both Asian and Farang woman have their pros and cons, it just depends on your personal preference. But it is true that white woman have trouble finding mates in LOS, too much competition but they do find one if you can believe it. I worked at an international firm with alot of expats and had couple of farang woman friends and they used to complain about the lack of mates but one did find a mate in HK and got married but she opted to move back to London, too much eye candy.

I live in the States now and I have noticed a shift in white men, some of them are marrying other ethnic groups, ie mexican instead of a white woman, they have said that ethnic woman have more family values, make better mothers or something like that but hey what do i know, it's just what I hear from friends.

Note: This is just my experience and my two cents.

DICK HEADLEY says:

What a great post Linda. Your first paragraph explains things very well.

With many (not all) farang relationships there seems to be some kind of endless competition going on. Farang guy asks farang girlfriend to do something and he's being exploitative. Farang girl asks boyfriend to do something and she's being manipulative. I have no idea how things got that way but it sure is stressful and a waste of energy.

Mind you I'm not sure marrying women from other ethnic groups solves the problem either.

JR says:

wow , so many comments.... so i'll just add a quick whippet

1 one example of a thai guy does not make for a full image.

2 farang women always touted that you want a sensitive man but once you encounter one you run?

3 most thai guys are not ,especially a waiter, prostitutes for farang women. Some fancy themselves players, some are still very inexperienced just like any human being.

4 if you want some Thai guy soz you need to be more like thai women... although the lesser ability for that kinda brought the farang counterparts here in the first place.

5 Thai guys want respectable women in their relationships. not one who grabs any man they see. It might puzzle farang women why some choose not to jump their bones at any given opportunity. Unlike like say a farang man?

6 Me, my brother and brother inlaw have "farang" wives. So this magnifies that something was wrong in the approach.

palimpsest says:

"White chicks are fat and rude, Thai chick are money hungry and stupid".

Well Andre, I think you've supplied the best stereotypes of the lot but really everyone here says:

If you do this, they will do that, If you say this they will say that. Really? In mass?

Now you can generalise about farang girls and Thai girls, but not in excess of what is really required and I think Andre has touched it somehow.

White boys:
All you whlte boys who've got your brains tucked in your bollocks all I say is that just because you have money, or you speak Thai or you've been in Thailand for a long time Thai people dont give a shit about you. You have no status, nor class here, just because you are foreign. If you cant get that in your head well continue to live your deluded lives.

Thai woman:
It is very rare for a Thai woman from a well to do family to end up with a white boy, can happen but quite rare.... Relationships in this country are not predicated on the individual but on the family, on status, on the role you play and how much you can pay. And your esarn girls? well bless them, but they're only trying to make ends meet anyway....they're downtrodden as it is.... As for the femininity of Thai woman, yeah they are cute and feminine and sexually anxious, all good ingridients as far as a man is concerned, but I wouldn't live with one! I know that much.

White birds.
Fuck man, who wants to touch them! I really cant see what is good about some lippy fat bleached bitch who will not shut up for a second and who is a lously fuck..... where is the comparison in the first place?

So what then:

Well screw your Thai bint, and dont get to hang up because for the first 30 years of your life you had no brains to get laid in your own country.....thats no reason to foam in the mouth for. If you had two braincells, you could lay any woman you wanted. Surpirse surprise, even you can do that in Thailand... and Vietnam and Japan and so many other places.

As the saying goes, God gave a man a dick and a brain but not enough blood to run the two together.

YouKnowWho says:

I think Linda's comments about Thai women and Thai relationships are right on.

Anyone who thinks Thai women are subservient have probably not spent much time with a Thai woman. They are amongst the most self confident and self reliant women in the world.

The reality is that Thai culture does not really accept directness or confrontation as a means of getting what you want. Silence or a smile, while mistakenly viewed as subservience in the West, are often the most effective means of communicating to a partner your feelings (there are a thousand different types of smiles here) while preserving harmony and avoid unnecessary confrontation.

TJ says:

well said Linda, and Youknowwho to mention but a few. why do farang fat slappers seem to have the perception that all Thai women are prostitutes, and farang men only come here and pay for it.

I for one am married to a fantastic Thai girl who I met in blighty, shes not subservient by any means, we are like a normal couple you meet anywhere. furthermore before I was married Ive had many Thai girlfriends whom I didnt pay for,
contrary to popular misconceptons Thai Girls are human beings as well which means they dont just fuck white men for money.

It occurs to me that white women are very bitter and twisted about Asian girls, you know how bitchy and jealous women can be when they dont fit in or their affection is spurned.

Errant says:

The force of nature named Palimpsest writes:

'All you whlte boys who've got your brains tucked in your bollocks all I say is that just because you have money, or you speak Thai or you've been in Thailand for a long time Thai people dont give a shit about you. You have no status, nor class here, just because you are foreign. If you cant get that in your head well continue to live your deluded lives.'

Your thoughts strike with the power of a dark revelation. You inform the reader that there prevail people in this country who don't much care for the outlander, people who consider the outlander not merely a nuisance but in fact an inferior. And who are these people who would keep the outlanders afield? The shallow, money-mad nitwits. The smart set who are anything but. The ones who think themselves urbane but yet whose minds are a howling wilderness.

They don't want us, then? Devastating. How to go on living?

Good thing their daughters are cute, the ones not poisoned by their parents anyway.

metronil says:

Paul is a farang...no doubt about it...Big fat flabby ass, warts and all.

moss man says:

Too many choices...

Lindas comments ring oddly true, and balanced. I have traveled to LOS since 1988, and I love women of all stripes and colors. My passion for Thai women and Asian women in particular has less to do with the white, femi-nazi agenda that can be found almost anywhere backhome in my country, or the socio-political gender battle evident in just about every other modern medium(magazines, movies, sit-coms, commercials-you name it) than the plain and simple fact that they(asian women)seem much, much more feminine. Physically, it's no contest. I'm not sorry about that either.
Why are western women unhappy? Reading all these posts seems to confirm that answer, if the context is in Thailand. The shoe is on the other foot here. Thank god for this!

When you consider a modern western marriage contract and
come to the line, "'till death do we part," it's seems like a victorian concept cooked up to prevent women of that era
from being exploited." You know, dying giving birth to their seventh or eighth child, the kind of draconian lifestyle wives were expected to embrace, and not complain about. But nobody complained because they were all in it together.
The family was the survival unit. There were fewer choices for both husbands and wives because there was alot less financial wealth all around, and fewer choices. People stayed together because they HAD to. To leave the family was like inviting ruin upon your self, and to disgrace all involved. The "individual" was only a concept, not a practice, and by todays standards rare.
The irony today is that marriage exploits men, punishes us harshly for any misdeeds outside of the family structure. Marriage is a woman's best investment for her time and efforts, rewarding certainly if she plays her cards right. Wish I could do that!
So you pay/you play; make the time commitment of your choice.
I have a western aquaintance who visited me in Bkk, and she once said to me, "if I was a guy..."(you know the rest) I appreciated that. She wasn't threatened. There are some happy, well adjusted, balanced western women still out there, but unfortunately(for all) so few. Maybe it is fortunate!

TANAI KWAI says:

"When you consider a modern western marriage contract and come to the line, "'till death do we part..."

I know a couple whose vows ended with "as long as we both shall love."

Must have stopped doing so since they are now divorced.

(...)

TANAI KWAI says:

By the way, for those of you who share an attraction for slender and feminine Thai women, and are also interested in fathering children...

How do you feel about your son turning out to be more of a gracile, small-framed Thai boy well-suited for the cast of Simon Cabaret as opposed to a burly sort of Luk Kreung born to play rugby or linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Or what if your daughter turns out to be the spitting image of your fat aunt Judith from Sacramento -- rather than favoring the generations of stunners who gave rise to the nubile Noi you hold in your arms today?

This could obviously happen in any coupling, Thai-farang or otherwise, but just curious.

(...)

Aren't we missing something here? says:

Isn't a large part of the attraction of thai women to the men who come here the fact that 95% of the men who come here could not attract a sexual partner as good looking as they can over here.

It's not a given but when Farang women accuse the men who come to Thailand looking for love and/or sex, of being rejects, there is some truth to it?

Not necessarily says:

Why do you want to think that? 95%? Are you jealous or something?

Aren't we missing something here? says:

Yes that's it.

mr peter says:

I don't know about missing something, isn't this more like stating the bleeding obvious, so what is it's even 100%? Certainly applies to me, I woudn't take a falang bitch out back home if they paid me, the very thought makes me feel sick. The idea of attracting a falang woman as good looking as a thai would not be possible anyway-they don't exist!-peter

'95% of the men who come here could not attract a sexual partner as good looking as they can over here'

Dana says:

Is it 95% or 96% or 100%? This is the part of these chat sites and all other Thai themed farang focused web sites and threads that I just don't understand. What makes anyone think it matters? Why all the name calling about men who come to Thailand? What difference does it make why they have to come or why they choose to come? We are all insignificant carbon based life forms on an insignificant rock hurtling through an indifferent space towards an unrecorded future. There is no god and nothing matters and no one is keeping score. The idea that men are keeping score of other mens motivations or activities or failings is just too stupid. Pathetic. Get over it. It's called being an adult. Look at the cards you are holding, bro. Do you see a 'guaranteed future' card, or a 'love will be yours for eternity' card or a 'going to get out of this life alive' card? No you don't. Because those cards don't exist. In fact, if you look closely you will be surprised to see that you are not holding any cards. The fact that you are alive is a giant improbability that you can not take any credit for. Your job is to chill out, stop judging others, and have fun. And for god's sake stop complaining. Shut-ins would kill to be able to go out and walk in the rain. You don't deserve anything you have. So just try to be nice and have fun. In my case, I know exactly why I choose or why I have to go to Thailand. So I know exactly why I am doing what I am doing. This does not diminish my value as a man or as a human being. It is also not something I have to explain or defend to others. The fact that other men would take an interest in my life and be doing scorekeeping and judging is a comment on them, it is not relevant to me. Some day women will rule the earth from sunup to sunset because men could not stop the juvenile jockeying for power and band together. Men will get what they deserve. Nothing.

Scorekeep says:

Bonus points for that post, Dana.

Greg says:

Most of the expats I've met are handsome and a fair catch. I knew one guy who was physically and emotionally unattractive, and in the sexpat areas there must be tons. But most of the expats I've met seem decent enough. But I suspect that people who look down on the guys who have it easy with girls here have some emotional need to do so, so rational arguments really have nothing to do with anything.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana puts it well.

On the other hand, it is beyond rebuke that there are some ugly motherfuckers who land (pay for) hot Thai girls they would not otherwise be able to afford back home.

But even if with respect to those who are not physically hideous sex tourists, many Western women seem to begrudge the fun had by middle-class guys having the rock star experience in Thailand.

As for attractive men of means who could have their pick back home but opt for a Thai woman (who may or may not even, for example, have a decent education or speak proper English), well, this scenario is truly befuddling to our Western sistern.*

(...)

*As is the fact that one's ass will expand regardless of how many "fat-free" cookies are ingested.

moss man says:

"must have stopped doing so, because they are now divorced."

Of course they are divorced, who wouldn't be? Look at all his options out there; look at her potential financial windfall. Maybe she can afford to get divorced(maybe he can't)but the situation is such a standoff for 75% of the folks I know who are committed, and are staying married, it's difficult to walk away from it all.
And carefull about your fantasies too; when most women hear that clock ticking, the best way to ignore it is to look elsewhere for chinks in your "armor." She'll recognize the look on your face as easily as you read Calvin&hobbes.
Marriage is such an outdated concept in so many forms. I
don't mean the comittment aspect of it; I'm for that. What I'm against is controlling another person, male or female,
just because you are married. To me, it's enough just to
WANT to marry someone, but that doesn't mean you have to cut off your 'nads and pass them to her in a playmate- cooler. Obviously a good portion of guys get married because they want to, or they're socially conditioned they want to, the social tradition, and the willingness to give up life on the prowl. We'll always look at "the menu," but order from it only in our dreams, if we don't want to rock the boat.
The problem for me, and some of my friends who are married, is the time commitment thing; whether for "life" or as long as "we shall love." That's ridiculous!
I love my mom, but if I had to spend just a week with her
we'd be at each other's throats. My best friends ARE my best friends simply because we know WHEN to leave...I wouldn't HAVE any best friends if they had to put up with me every day. You can keep spinning this thread until you arrive at the strangely rigid structure(to my mind)of a marriage contract.
Only strange to me perhaps, but definitely not strange in societies when/where people have fewer choices, like here 100 years ago.
And mutant babies, yes I've seen a few. I know a guy who is 6'-8" and his father is only 5'-9" and they come from the same "tribe." I wonder who's uncle that one was? I've also seen some of the most fantabulous looking women created from a union of different ethnic backgrounds, especially western and Thai.
Relax and enjoy the ride...wheeeee!

Tara says:

Wow! What a conversation!!

Having lived in Asia for 10 yrs (including several in Thailand), so much of the above rings true, and so much doesnt. Im a white female. I have had a few Asian boyfriends, some who Always pay, others who Never. One thing they have in common though, is as soon as you hold their hand, your married. Thanks but no thanks.

Generally, why Western Girls (in my humble experiences) dont go for Asian boys is becaue they cant be faithful. I am still waiting for the day I find the one who can. But.... now living in China with new man (Chinese)... seems like he can keep his dick in his pants.. or mine... ill keep you posted.

NB. Also been out with Western guys in Asia and met somee of my best friends there (who are white western males living in Asia). Guess we (West Girls) arent all that fat and boistrous.

Thai girls are after money theory: Many of my friends have gorgeous, sweet and honest Asian wives. Very stable and very normal relationships. However, hanging in BKK, I also see the other Sexpats. Scenerio: movie theatre, tiny Thai girl. Big fat and very repulsive Western man. He "Ah, the movie doesnt start for another half an hour. What would you like to do?". She "Buy bathers" He "Buy bathers? But wwe jusst bought shoes and trousers and two shorts and a belt". She "I want bathers". He "Ok darling".

Sceneerio 2. Living in laos, go out with some Western male frinds for nigght on the piss. Get drunk, talk till dawn, no sex. One White male married to Laos girl, "Oh God, I had forgotten how good it feels just to be able to talk to a girl. You know, really talk".

Not everything is about sex, and yr kidding yrslf if you think it is. Also, not everything is black and white. far too many generalisations running around this website.

However, take ze call aout Western girls not being femine enuf. Perhaps a sign of the timees? Dont blame her too much, she's just toughenedd to deal with the competitive society she was born into- she knows she has to stand on her own two feet to survive. Asian girrls are a little different. Family support is usually always there.

kevin, you need to chill out man, and stop naame dropping. Perhaps the Thai's think your cool, but 20 bucks says I bet you think your cooler.

Anyway, Im off to buy a skirt.

TANAI KWAI says:

Tara, in my opinion this is the most interesting snippet of your post:

"'Oh God, I had forgotten how good it feels just to be able to talk to a girl. You know, really talk....
Not everything is about sex, and yr kidding yrslf if you think it is."

(...)

tonychang says:

My Thai girlfriend left me because she kept seeing me out drinking with white girls.

The Shadow says:

Same story here - my Thai girl doesnt like me talking to white girls. She thinks i fancy them.

There are few folk more jealous than an asian woman. Demure & submissive my ass.

Greg says:

Agreed - Thai women are sometimes insanely jealous. But surprisingly many will not leave you if you see other girls and stand your ground. At least for a while. If you are serious about the girl, then of course that is not a good strategy, but if you just messin around for fun, that option is there.

Insight says:

The last night on my last trip to England I was on in a popular nightclub. Some fat slapper edged up to me and then bounced me off the dancefloor trying to edge up to me using her only "this is how I come on to people" move.

Once I regained composure, I had to walk up to her and whisper in her ear "Look, you don't understand. I'm flying back to Thailand in the next few hours...."

Insight says:

But will admit, I do have one farang female friend (fff) out here in BKK, and it is very relaxing to hold a fluid conversation where we're both on the same wavelength - it does make the difference.

My Thai g/f is very articulate and we have many a meaningful discussion, no major problems, but sometimes there still is a slight struggle on both our parts. When talking to my fff, this simply isn't an issue.

Still, what do I prefer? My Thai g/f, of course! :o)

big bri says:

when i first arrived in thailand i was married to a good looking blonde english girl... now 4 years later i am married (with children) to a more gorgeous thai girl... nuff said...

But says:

I don't know where this shit about needing a girl who can converse at your level comes from, it's all babble anyway.

I reckon it would be good to be a homo - you could watch the football with your mates and then fuck them.

sharon says:

HiII!..HEY i SEE now...okay, hhmmnn...okay:
I'mm writing this because I am very upset! w/
All you men's posts are discourageing for us.
I can't think of a way to post it, but better
maybe if I post sing to a song for zYOU:
yous pretentious cunts!

OKAY!...here goe_Les_Miserable(oop)s

"There was a time...when
men were kind,
when their voices were soft
and their words inviting.

There was time...when
love was blind,
and the world was a song
and the song was exciting.

There was a time...then
it all......went wrong!

See?,sniff? Kno wha i mean??

Okay, no? well, I'm shopping
now anyway

-Sharon

YouKnowWho says:

Tara,

Interested in your quote:

"However, take ze call aout Western girls not being femine enuf. Perhaps a sign of the timees? Dont blame her too much, she's just toughenedd to deal with the competitive society she was born into- she knows she has to stand on her own two feet to survive. Asian girrls are a little different. Family support is usually always there."

I think that women in the West (the US in particular) expect too much of themselves and their mates. They want careers, relationships, motherhood. They want guys who are sensitive, successful, good looking, attentive. The problem is that these goals are, at best, difficult (and highly unlikely) to obtain (while maintaining one's sanity) as they are often at odds with each other.

As for Thai girls not being able to stand on their own two feet, I suspect most of your experience is with middle and/or upper class Thais. Thai women from the provinces, not only stand on their own two feet, they usually support families back home (regardless of whether or not they are "working" girls). While their brothers and fathers are blowing money on women, booze and gambling, the women come to Bangkok to work and keep the family in housing and send their siblings to school. This is why many of them turn to prostitution, as they have a keen sense of responsibility.

Thus, while women in the west may have a harder time in terms of their own expectations of themselves (they want the impossible), I think it is terribly unfair to think that Thai women have it any easier. Imagine growing up as a girl or young women and having the responsibiltiy of taking care of your entire family, with little education and limited opportunities for upward economic mobility.

YouKnowWho

Prorogue says:

The ever increasing shriek of Western vs Asian polemic is proving tiresome. Fortunately for most posters here there is no obligation to follow an arranged marriage and responsibility can only lie with oneself for any mistakes made and lessons learned.

Be it Westerners who have lost their early 20th century role as breadwinners or family raisers/home carers; through female emancipation or male inability to manufacture enough weapons while at war, we are responsible for our own quandary or the inevitable law of supply and demand which with the disintegration of the family unit matches ageing white westerners with younger asian women.

Oh how we used to mock the rich playboys with their wiry toupees and their weakness for air head women.

The rich irony is that poor is a relative term, or ...think about it, vice versa.

Pro.

Dave says:

Guys, you are all sad actually. You should get your sorry asses over to where I live- Japan- for the following reasons:

1) Japanese women display all the manners of Thai girls but are, on the whole, much prettier, MUCH more fashionable and brighter too.

2)You dont have to pay them shit. In fact, they are so loaded and spoilt by their rich parents, they often pay for you and shower you with gifts ( :

So if you think western girls look sour and desperate in Thailand, wait till you see them in Shibuya - babe central - Japan.

3) Mostly, these girls are totally disease free

4) You can earn loads of money teaching english at night, while just spending your days doing 'nampa' (picking up these chicks).

I am a thirty-something white guy. Look ok. Really not ugly, but dont claim to be Brad Pitt either. I respect women as people and all that. But dont get much play from hot girls in my home country because you need status, great job, nice car etc. But get loads of play here. Currently have two steady gfs. One is thin (95 percent of j girls are) with a cute face and big tits. Totally loaded - just 'loaned' me about $2000, and is willing to accept that I 'play' with other girls.

The other is even more loaded, and is a quarter-American, so is nearly six foot tall and jaw drops-to-the-floor supermodel gorgeous. You simply would NOT find a Thai girl who looks anything like her. She also gives it better than any western woman I've ever had sex/made love to and is totally non-possessive. Infidelity is a way of life here, and as long as you dont flaunt it in their face, most j-girls will overlook it.

What can I say, you guys in Thailand are paying for what we guys in Japan get for nish. ( :

PS: Food's better here too!

Prorouge says:

Dear Dave

Your six footer definitely turns a blind eye to infidelity as I and a few friends can testify.

Lots of love

J Pro.

bigbri says:

i love falang women, it just so happened that i fucked the stupid bitch off for a thai girl, i now have children, but i love you western babes soo much... thai is my no1...and why the fuck not, i'm only young...

Mike says:

Dear Bigbri,

Wishing that all the people of this world would be as elusive and creative as you, I hereby congratulate you for your philosophical style. Most informative. In addition, I am also impressed that you can produce children. Thanks again for telling me/us. And you are young...

Up yours Bitch says:

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader661.html

Not Mike, Stick would know says:

Well,

The problem is that Stick has such a bad web designer, that I non-stop ìloose the lineî when reading, so after about 15 lines, I just give it up. In addition, specialists found out in '82 or so that reading on a black background is most harmful for the eyes. That's, brand new news, isn't it.

Cynic says:

Not Mike: You illiterate fuckwit, I've had it with you cunts who spell 'lose' as 'loose'.

Not Mike says:

Cynic,

Du bist eine abartige Drecksau, geilst dich auf indem du deine eigene Scheisse frisst!

Tu n'es qu'un trou de cul, cretin, ta mere t'a chiee dans un bar a putes.

Now let's see if the french and german correct my grammar, wanker.

Cynic says:

Hey fuck-knuckle: I never corrected your grammar.

TANAI KWAI says:

Perdi mi verga porque tu pucha es carnivora.

(to no one in particular)

Mike says:

Interesting combination of italian, spanish, and portuguese. In a very latin style.

Now try to locate this one:

Drecks-Cynic, rapp der d'Runzelhoer raus an stiech der se an deng eegen domm Binnett, Wixer.

Jules says:

Just my two penny worth.

English girls are trained by peer pressure to view all male advances as being by sick perverts.

They are also often loud, opinionated and clueless about the world and real relationships between a man and a woman. Some are not but they tend to be older.

English women eat and drink too much like the rest of the population. This is why the average English lady is 6kg heavier than 10 years ago. This is only the average of course. I like to turn my women upside down when having oral sex standing up. It is my choice!

The last UWC I tried this with put my back out. I need ladies of 40kg maximum for my sexual pleasure. I need them small.

There is a Yin and a Yang, a balance that I can only achieve with smaller Asian ladies.

P.S. I am not a sad pervert, really I am not.

Isabel says:

I am farang and have farang boyfriend (been together over 2 years), live in Thailand and love it here. OH MY GOD I AM NOT STEREOTYPICAL... run for the hills, run for the hills

;)

mr peter says:

How much do you weigh then isabel? I never met a thai girl who thought it nosey to ask how many kilo or how old they are but most falang tarts do want to 'run for the hills' when they ask them. Congrats on keeping the boyfriend away from all the competitiion, whats your secret?-peter

Combover says:

Mr Peter - your relentless hostility towards farang girls does you and the rest of us a disservice.

It's one thing not fancying a certain type, but why the need to be offensive or cutting to or about almost every western girl who posts?

It gets a little tedious seeing the word "feminazi" (perhaps not from yourself, granted) applied to every woman who disgrees with one's lifestyle or viewpoint.

I too feel the need to disagree with some contributors' regurgitated opinions and sloppy thinking, but please save the snide comments for the idiots.

mr peter says:

Well it aint my board chum so i never started all the falang bitch bashing threads did I. Is it hostile to ask someone how much they weigh? oh dear you are a sensitive little soul then I would say and if falang bitch bashing upsets you why not avoid such threads altogether?-peter

kevin says:

Mr Peter...

Isabel's secret is simple... her boyfriend, i.e. *me* doesn't feel the need to *pay* for sex, move 6000 miles just so he can get a girlfriend or, generally, change his whole life so he can be seen with a cute girl half his age and a tenth his weight.

Perhaps, Mr peter, if you find farang girls to be... lacking in certain manners and traits, you should try setting an example and having a few more manners towards them?

But then, if you are like 90% of other farang men out here and simply pay to get the attention you feel you need, you don't really need manners, do you? just a wallet. And never forget - Thai girls can easily bitch and be nasty towards you, to your face, to their mates - and they'll do it while smiling, and they'll do in it very, very fast Thai slang... and you'll never know.

BTW, and before I go, I can actually understand and sympathise with a lot of what is said - I, too, find that many western women can be overly aggressive. I can think of some, right now, that I know, that I find quite replusive in their behavior and manners.

The rise during the 90's of the "ladette" is something that ruined a lot of things in the west, that women felt they had to be the same as, not better than men, is a sad fact.

I can understand why a subservient Thai girl would be a good looking prospect, especially when, instead of having to invest time and effort in the relationship - and maybe even pursue someone you find worthwhile, you can just pay upfront for them.

But, just as not all Thai women are the same (I'd probably guess that the majority of "I love thai girls" posts are from men who are paying to love them and not, actually, dating a professional, educated woman they met at work or such like), farang women are not all the same.

And perhaps you should take that into account before you let loose with yet more of your sexist, racist crap?

kevin says:

Actually, isn't it funny how people lump so many different nationalities into "farang" (yes, thats how you spell it mr peter, just because the Thai's say falang, doesn't mean that's how it's spelt). I mean, are Brits the same as the French (oh god, no). Are Americans the same as humans? (haha, good god NO, thank god). Spanish like Germans? Aussies like Swedes?

Of course not.

So why do you farang-women-haters feel the need to tar so many people with the same brush?

The flipside is like saying "oh I love asians" when you mean Thais. I tell you, in looks-wise terms, the Thais run a very poor race compared with the Chinese, Japanese and Vietnamese.

So if you want to "farang-bash", maybe you should be more particular.

Or just stick to hating the Americans, that'll always be ok :)

BTW, Isabel is... Portuguese. A country with a great...

*past*

:D

Isabel says:

Look Mr Peter, I didn't come here to squabble and to insult and to be rude. What my weight has to do with the price of fish I have no idea. I just don't see the point to that question so I don't see the point in answering it. In addition, I am not a tart, I am a decent person who treats people decently and expect the same in return.

I am sure you've had some bad experiences that have left you with some insecurities and hence your rather abusive attitude. Just chill out and live and let live.

Jack Coke says:

Kevin,

Thanks for your contribution. You remind me of myself 6 years ago. I moved to Thailand with my English girl friend 6 years ago. I was 27 and had taken a half decent job with an international engineering consultancy. For whom I still work I hasten to add.

Good luck to you and Isabel, I think you will need it. My girl friend was sweet when I moved out here, after a year however she became quite miserable and ridiculously jealous.

If I were a betting man I would bet 10000 pounds that this time next year you are with a Thai girl or that you are at least sleeping with one on a regular basis.

Dont believe me, in a years time we will probably be sharing a beer in the Cat House together!

Tuk tuk

Isabel says:

That's just lovely. The world is indeed a beautiful place.

Jeeeeez.

kevin says:

Well, i am happy to take that bet and I'm not a betting man either. if you want to get in touch with me and we can draw up a legal contract with the lawyer who I know, we can go for it! maybe even... double or quits? you know, you win, you get 20,000 but if I win I get 10,000?

yeah?

mail me, if you are serious, I am.

oh, of course, I'd ask that you can prove you have the $$$, obviously. I can prove I have 20k.

JAKE COKE says:

Hi Kevin,

Let me have a think about it, I would certainly be happy to meet you in person to discuss it. I usually start my friday night around Nana Plaza with some friends. Would be happy to meet you there, maybe the Dubliner would be preferable to you, bearing in ming Isabel.

I dont want to appear like a portent of doom Kevin. I have been here 6 years now, and 95% of unmarried farang males, of all shapes and sizes as well as professions end up doing as I stated.

Married couple with kids fare a lot lot better. Only 30% of those come apart.

It normally starts with the farang girl wanting to move back to farang land. My best mate works at Pattana School as a teacher. His bird ( they are not married) wants to move back to the UK. Its on the rocks. They came out 3 years ago. For one year he held out, now he's boom booming all the time with Thai cuties. ST of course.

If you want to meet up for a beer e mail me.

JACK

kevin says:

i do actually know of, or know, a few western couples who have split up. but I think we have something that many other couples don't... we came here as a joint agreement after already having spent a lot of time here (ie actually being in BKK for months at a time). We had returned to the UK and decided it wasn't for us, so we came here. We considered moving to Portugal, also. We also came here without jobs. We are not the typical ex-pats where one is employed and the other a spouse, nor are we the typical kids who teach english.

I would guess that the majority of western couples come here because one or the other is here on work, ex-pat style and the spouse gets a bit left out. these kind of things can, of course, lead to all kinds of resentment and trouble. You see signs of this all over - particularly in the sheer amount of "womens" groups, all designed to give ex-pat wives moral and social support.

now we are both working in jobs we enjoy, we have a nice place and a good lifestyle. we love the city and the country, indeed, the whole area of countries around here. i think we are both quite "country-less" sometimes. isabel spent a lot of her life living in places all over the world, i spent years married to a swede. though we both miss the UK, there is not a huge draw, past family and friends, to get us back there. I could not imagine Isabel (currently) being so miserable that she desperately wanted to go back. I would hope that I would be a decent, caring enough partner to see the signs of this, early on, and work through them to an end that worked for us both - which is very similar to what we did to get us out here in the first place.

if i was going to be unfaithful, i could have done it anywhere. i spent months in china, while she was here in bangkok and trust me, i find chinese girls far more attractive than the average bargirl here. i could have been unfaithful in the UK, where we were both jobless and miserable. trust me, i find a small cute blond with pale skin far more desirable than a short cute dark prostitute. i know 99% of farang men here don't understand this but your average thai bar girl just doesn't work for me? will my view ever change? i dunno, maybe, maybe not, but that is no reason to assume I will be payng for sex, visiting massage parlours and dating prostitutes.

i see no reason to assume I will be "boom booming all the time with Thai cuties". just because you, and others do. why would I do that? if I was going to be unfaithful it would be (off the top of my head) with someone I find attractive and, hopefully, don't have to pay for.

oh, and jut to add. i am actually still married, though most of the way through a divorce. i didn't feel the need to be unfaithful to her, either. perhaps if I wasnt, who knows, maybe isabel and I would be married right now?

of course, we could split up tomorrow for whatever reason, it happens. i just cannot envisage the reasons you have stated being the ones to divide us.

you may not wish to "appear like a portent of doom" and thats fair enough, but you should be slower to cast your expectations without prior knowledge of our circumstance. everyone is, of course, entitled to their opinion, especially if it is based on experience. just remember: i am not you and i don't have to have the same outcome.

cheers, off t'bed. work t'morrow. sigh.

John U says:

Jake Coke,

Kevin has called your bluff there boyo.

Neither of you are betting men, but you are the one who mentioned the bet, however half heartedly. I think you were scared of him taking you up on it even when you mentioned it.

By the way the Dubliner is nowhere near Nana - I would suggest the Huntsman - it's in walking distance.

S.N.A.G says:

Congratulations, Kevin, you just won the pussy award. Now go do the dishes, bitch.

kevin says:

I'm a pussy for managing to have an adult relationship without having to pay for it?

Grow up S.N.A.G, you silly, pointless, insignificant, worthless little boy.

Or better still, come to my apartment and say that to my face. Email me for the address and i'll arrange a time. Or are you, like so many of the people around here, all bark and no bite?

Maybe you could impress one of your little prostitutes.

Hit me with your fat wallet, or something.

kevin says:

actually, fuck it, you arn't worth my breath. i'd just like to know why you need to insult people you don't know? does it give you a sense of power? a feeling of accomplishment? whatare you lacking in life that you need to do this? got a few hangups? a few problems? At least others here can either insult with intellignce or debate a point. others here can inspire a post or argument or conversation.

whats your purpose? do you have one?

or are you as utterly pointless as you appear to be? popping up only to throw a stray comment at someone now and then?

pathetic.

Mary K says:

Kevin honey - don't let the haters get you down. i am also a farang girl who loves thailand and i have to say a guy with an attitude like yours is much more attractive than some creepy sex fiend chasing little thai girls around all the time. what's wrong with equal duties in the home and partnership. i am not anyone's inferior. i'm a women not a little girl and i need more than the sight of a fat wallet to turn me on

kevin says:

cheers for that. i know you shouldn't let the idiots get to you... and usually I wouldn't. if there's one thing I am not, it's a passive buddhist!

kevin says:

mind you, you know, now the fools are going to accuse me of hiding behind you, a mere woman.

can't i stand up for myself? *sob*. i'm such a pathetic new-age feminist creep guy*

oh and they'll accuse you of being a femi-nazi or whatever term they are favouring this week.

* really don't think anyone I know could describe me as a new age guy...

Hector says:

Hi Mary I'd like to take you out. All the relationships I see with Thai girls here are sooo fake I'd like to meet a smart western girl who appreciates Thailand like I do, not just a place to have cheap sex with prostitutes.

I'm not overly good looking but I am good hearted and if you want we could meet up andgo for a drink or if you don't drink we go to the movies or something ok? If you agree just post again and then I'll post my email details ok?

See you and look forward to hearing from you.

Jules says:

Kevin and Isabelle, I hope it works out for you both. Don't listen to those who knock you just because you are the odd couple in Thailand.

I know a lot of married farang couples and unfortunately the men do seem to screw around a lot. Sad but true.

My wife is Asian and I have never ever so much as had a BBBJ from another woman since I met her 8 years ago. This has been very difficult to acomplish but not going near temptation definitely helps.

However I also find Western women, in particular Brits and Americans, repulsive. The result of being pussy whipped as a youngster by women I now understand were uncertain of their role.

And for all the "feminazis" who characterise Thai ladies as being submissive, grow up a little bit. Thai ladies are not submissive, you are misinterpreting their natural behaviour. I know who rules in my house and it is not me.

kevin says:

"I know a lot of married farang couples and unfortunately the men do seem to screw around a lot. Sad but true."

And you know, there's probably the same amount of married western guys and girls in their western countries who will go screw around as well. Infidelity isn't limited to ex-pats in Thailand. The only difference is that when a relationship breaks down in, say, London, one doesnt leave the country and the other doesn't go pick up a hooker or two and pretend they are their g/fs (erm, usually).

I think the fact remains that a large amount of people cheat on each other, the world over. Let's face it, you constantly hear of thai prostitutes having multiple guys (no, i don't mean all at the same time, same room) being strung along for $$$.

And, at the end, i even agree with you. I don't find brits or americans that attractive either in looks or attitude. I wouldn't want to date either of them. I just get worn out by the boys around here who use "farang" to mean over half the population of the planet.

BTW, near temptation? We live on Soi 23... just by Soi Cowboy... :)

Green Ham and Gregs says:

In the old country I used to try and sleep with women by walking up to a girl and saying "I want to bend you over and screw you silly". Now 99 times out of 100 I'd get slapped in the face, but that 100th time it always ended up being something special.

I've mellowed a lot since those days, and now living in Bangkok where I'm the head of a large charity organisation, I find that the blank smiles I get in response to this line take away all the excitement from the venture.

JACK COKE says:

Kevin,

After reading your posts I am inclined to believe you will be faithful. Therefore I am not going to bet 20 000 dollars. Besides how would I know if you slipped off to the Star of Light to enjoy a BBBJ.

To generalise about English and American girls all being awful is unfair. Jules obviously has experienced many knock backs, I am not however surprised as may girls from the UK find continental men too sleezy, especially French men in particular.

French girls are IMHO the worst globally, they are sulky, miserable and OVER-RATED. In fact France must have the worst night life in Europe. There idea of a good time is to go to some crappy cafe with the poodle or something!!

I think you have made a wise choice, Portugese women are home bodies, they look after their man. Watch out for weight gain after about 28, many Latin girls pull the rip cord at 28-33 and balloon in weight. Believe me I know.

Well I'm out the office now, home, shower and then off the find a cutie for the night.

JACK

Isabel says:

"I think you have made a wise choice, Portugese women are home bodies, they look after their man. Watch out for weight gain after about 28, many Latin girls pull the rip cord at 28-33 and balloon in weight. Believe me I know. "

Phewwww... tell me about it. Must be in our genes. We're going to have to buy special chairs soon and a reinforced toilet seat.

;)

Talk about generalisations.... AGAIN.

*yawn*

Just My 2 Cents says:

Kevin - Just to set matters straight 90% of all Thai women are not prostitutes or bar girls. To say this is just rude, ignorant and offensive. Its like saying all black people are drug dealers - just a very negative stereotyping.

There is a growing middle class here and a very very rich elite. I suggest you get yourself down to Mystique or Bed Supper on a weekend night (the $30 admission fee deters any working girls) and check out the talent. If you get lucky and get to take one of the fine ladies home it will be usually in their brand new BMW.

Generally speaking I prefer Thai women but have met some lovely Scandis and French women on the islands here. I think your preference of Mainland Chinese women over Thais shows your complete lack of taste. Mainland Chinese are considered like English birds in Europe. The runt of the litter. I lived there for nearly a year and was appalled by the bad perm hair, dodgy teeth and blotchy skin. Also they fact they phlem everywhere. Not pleasant.

Isabelle - You need to find a new geezer sweetheart. I know a nice Thai guy I could introduce you to. ....

Ernesto Ortega Jr says:

I love Portuguese girls, viva la big titties!

Isabel says:

Yeah, whatever. All I ask for is a peaceful life. This Thai, Chinese, Farang, Prostitute, oh look at me and my skinny thai bitch shit is doing my head in.

Au revoir fellow commentators. I am off outta here.

tonychang says:

I'm sure there are farang women who meet the criteria so sought after by farang men in Thailand, they just arent attracted to those sort of blokes.

S.N.A.G. yours was the funniest post I read here today.

Kevin, next time youre having sex with the missus and you try slipping it up the wrong'un, if she protests just tell her you were doing a "Beckham".
Cheers
tc.

kevin says:

"Kevin - Just to set matters straight 90% of all Thai women are not prostitutes or bar girls"

I never said that.

I said:

"But then, if you are like 90% of other farang men out here and simply pay to get the attention you feel you need, you don't really need manners, do you? just a wallet"

cant you read you ignorant wanker?

let me repeat

90% OF MEN ARE PAYING. THEY ARE PAYING PROSTITUTES.

in case you DONT KNOW.

You DONT PAY for SEX when you are in a relationship (usually). And paying your personal prostitute to keep her off othe men really doesnt change the situation much, does it?

What a group of utter, complete pricks you are.

Stick to your whores, becuase you sure can't hold a decent conversation.

Highbrow says:

One positive thing about this forum is that one meets personalities one would usually never associate with in regular life. I understand that people have a wide range of ability and interest. This forum has attracted many with little ability and little interest other than insulting others. I do want to understand the dark secrets of these pseudo souls. I understand the desire to play king of the hill - I like that game. But to play that game so poorly in public view, behaving like a classless boor, and declaring self victory for having spat upon another? I'd like to know the age of the posters here. It isn't just thais who can be childish. Nnot child-like, childish, as in emotionally underdevelloped. Love and respect are the signs of class. Aimless blind venom doesn't even rise to snobbery. It doesn't rise to civility, nor compassion. If you don't want to be civil and compassionate, you don't want to have class.

Just My 2 Cents says:

Kevin - Your sounding like your Femine Nazi Kindred. I reckon in fact Isabelle and Kevin are one.

90% of Farang men here do not sleep with Prostitutes. That figure is for Thai Men who make up 90% of the sex industry in Thiland. FACT.

Now go shave your armpits theres a good girl.....

Greg says:

Dear anonymous idiot,

As this is a forum where words are used, as a means of conversing, would you care to do more than just pass a fart and run out of the room?

What do you love? You seem so full of hate. Is there anything at all that you love?

Mike says:

My name, Mike, age 32. This forum is fun until wankers post an Einstein-message. Pubic Underbrow!

Highbrow says:

It's lonely at the top. And sad.

Class war says:

The Nazis tried to exterminate those they though were inferior. The chinese imprisoned and relocated intellectuals. We are a race divided. Intellectual haves and halve nots. It's frightening. In a decade or two when the first crop of genetically engineered kids are growing up, they are at risk.

Anonymous says:

half nots

Greg says:

Mike, was this comment "whats your purpose? do you have one?" directed at you?

JACK COKE says:

I think Kevin may in actual fact be a girl. One thing Thai and farang girls have in common is that they cannot have a debate/argument without flying off the handle if you disagree with them.

In fact all women are incapable of logical, rational argument, and making decisions under pressure. Ever wonder why there are so few women barristers/ surgeons...

That said women are much more compassionate and intuitive. Kevin "blew" his top when presented with another perspective, ir when someone disagreed with thim.

I would bet we dont here from the two happy lovers again.

BABIES

JACK

Greg says:

Women, more compassionate!!!!!!!!

No, they are more apt at social intercourse. If you like gossip.

Kevin seems to me a good example of a rational and interesting man.

Mike says:

Greg,

Should I bother? I don't know. I apreciate 75% of your posts, but we are all different, aren't we?

Roy says:

The spelling on this forum is appalling. I hope none of you guys are teaching English in Thailand.

Mike says:

I hab the job of teach too mud in Thailand. I alleddi tead englid. I hope you sirr roy not angrid too mud. solly.

Niall says:

I just love it when white bitches and their she-male helpers blow their tops.

If we are all deadbeat old fat losers who can't get a date back home then why are they so angry?

Methinks they do protest too much.

Looking around the internet you can get articles about high-flying falang businesswomen who come to Bangkok to further their careers and end up eating meals for one at home on Friday night!

CANNOT GET ENOUGH OF THIS STUFF!

Hey feminazi white bitches! You rule US and UK and parts of Europe. Here you are nothing! Get it!

Jules says:

Niall,

Kevin thought I had probably sufferred a lot of rejection by white women. He was right but I have grown to be a stronger person for it.

Do not feel hatred for the feminazi, thank them for setting you on the path to enlightenment.

I thank the dear God every day that I did not end up in the clutches of Miss BY who thought it was amusing to run me down for being a man and therefore inferior to her. Phew, saw through her in time, a FWC.

What would you prefer? Playing mind games with a FWC who is your "equal" or a relationship based on mutual respect with an Asian lady who understands that a man is different and has needs too? Most men would respond positively to this proposition.

Thank God I found enlightenment but do not put Kevin/Isabel down. Some men like it that way.

Godzilla says:

Why do you guys get so het up about this all? I reckon you've all got chips on your shoulders or you wouldn't be reacting like this.

Ugh, ugh...

And of course you're all gorgeous right?! Fit, muscular, tall etc... I hope so, otherwise you're all a bunch of hypocrites (sorry, not all of you, just the gorgeous ones that go on about farang fat bitches).

Har har

Jules says:

So sorry godzilla, perhaps I should have made it clear that I do not mean FWC=Fat White Chick as in the ample girth of the farang female body, which is apparently in UK 6kg heavier on average than 10 years ago.

I do of course refer to the fat content of the mushy part they call brains.

The old saying "First they take you into their warm fuzzy bodies then they take you into their warm fuzzy mind" holds for FWC.

Godzilla says:

Oh, that's alright then... glad we cleared that one up.

Anonymous says:

I've been home (Australia) for 3 months, and I've haven't been with a farang woman once. I can't do it again. Nothing compares to a Thai girl. It's not that the farang woman are too ugly or bad in bed (well, OK, they sure need to learn a few tricks from their asian sisters, and loose a few kilos), but mainly it's the constant sarcastic put-downs that I'm happy to be free of. I've never once been made to feel guilty for being a man the way farang girls make me feel. In contrast, I feel like a god-king in the presence of my Thai princess!

Nick says:

There are plenty of asian girls in Australia that you could fuck. You don't really need to go to Thailand for that kind of activity. Seems like sex is the main purpose for going to Thailand ... yeh, to some people

Jules says:

Anon does have a point Nick.

Asian ladies are not available all over Aus and if they are then they are often married and settled.

As one bovine Aus lady once said to me, "How can you do it with someone who is so low class as a Philipina?"

She was wrong of course because she was actually Thai and very nice and educated and well travelled, open minded, loving, independent, horny, tight arsed..................

Wolf5370 says:

"chuckwow" - yes, means 'fly a kite', but it is slang for 'jerk off'.

Can't understand some of you people. Everyone has their preferences; some guys like white girls, some like black, some like oriental, yah dee dah.
If your's insn't the white girls, then fine, no need for hostility though. To each there own.

I have a Thai wife (who was not a BG, but a Teacher). I have Farang Noi children. I have had relationships with Thai girls, philipinos, black, Indian and white girls. I had no problems 'making friends' in the UK with girls. I did not come to LOS with an itch; I did not go hunting pros. I have my preferences, but it is to do with individuals, not races.

If you could not get it at home, but get it here and it makes everyone happy (for whatever reason - gratuity or pleasure), then fine. If you have been badly treated unfairly at home by girls, then blame the girls involved, not the whole race.

If you are happy now, then revel in that rather than wasting energy attacking whole sections of the planet!

Jai yen guys.

Wolf.

jersey says:

I'm from the states, 33, and haven't dated a white girl in about a decade. You know, there are Asian girls all over the world... I don't know why you guys are so obsessed with the girls in the LOS. Actually, I shouldn't say never, I tried one white gal last summer and she was a smelly, hairy mess in the pants. Sorry, white chicks, you've been out evolved. Shave all you want but you can't get out that stink.

Scarf_Man says:

Kevin Bra -

i'll take your bet... but you play by my rules little rabbit...

when i say its time to hit the night life, well then its time to hit the night life - i dont give a hoot if yer little missus is squeeling (she is a 2nd class citizen anyway - everyone with a pair of balls knows this)... she can even have something waiting on the dinner table when we get back 'cause thats just being polite in my book.

shiiiieeet, for 20k USD i'll hide away in my apartment like a scared rabbit too. Whatta gonad.

so whaddya say little rabbit? game?

btw the wager is now reduced to 1.5k THB - since we wanna test your rigthousness and not your greed.

BTW - hello all. this is my first post and looking forward to many rewarding exchanges here. i was on the nanaplaza.com for some time, but they're all a bunch of pansies there.

GiGi says:

Hi Scarfie,

Welcum to our little group. We are all not pansies, just some. I love big tough guy so we big friends long time.

Love and lots of sweet kisses my darling scarf

GiGi

GIGI says:

Hi Scarfie,

Little me again. GiGi read you post on Nanaplaza.com and your photograph soooooo sexy. You a hot guy.

Scarf_Man says:

Hey GIGI Baby,

thanks for the warm welcome. wanna meet? i'll wear my red "ladies man" scarf.

mr peter says:

Ari wa is this you? pansies on NP! I aint going to Eden with you now.-peter

Scarf_Man says:

MR PETER

LOL. You have to admit there are a lot of them (pansies that is) there. and yes, i am arai-wa - seems lots of people were focusing on my wonderful scarf so i thought i'd change my handle.

btw - have you worn your scarf out yet? i hope it works for you in your country cause it sure works for me here. the women love it!

... missed you last friday at the Eden my man, but will soon post "Scarf_Man on Eden" at NP. Meanwhile you can check out "Scarf_Man giveth and Scarf_Man taketh away" posted yesterday.

rob says:

mr. peter, gigi, and scarf man - personal posts are really boring to read, please don't post personal messages here. thanks.

chris says:

i go with most of what is said here. thai women are fantastic, however, im not a muppet who didnt get laid in his own country like most of you.

western women are cool too. its difficult to talk in any depth with a thai. for instance a movie is "good" or "so-so". you cant get into debate with a thai........oh! i give up.

you guys just need your ego pumped.

hooray for western women with big fun bags.

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

Chris,

You're right, it's cool to discuss about films with western chicks. Like ìWow, Johnny Depp was so coolî - ìYeah, Johnny Depp was really cool!". That's big fun!

If you had followed the discussions around here a little, you'd have found out that approximately half of these guys here already divorced a ìdiscusserîÖ

Öwhich brings me to the conclusion that your post was not good, it was so-so.

Lulu says:

Wow!!! Alot of bitter comments towards women guys and yes, not all of them undeserved. I agree with what you say - I have seen white women treat men poorly and then start screaming when they are on that same receiving end. Flip side - men have been pretty cruel to women in the past too. I don't think anyone can say any one sex has treated one worse than the other. Lets all move on hey and stop holding grudges, even though I know that can be hard and women can be right cows at time. They have the ability to be mean and nasty - quite horrible really - their words can hurt and cut like a knife, I know, i'm a woman but don't play into this shit. The old adage plays true 'do unto others as you want done unto yourself'. I am off to Thailand with my partner (male) soon and am relishing the idea of meeting some beautiful thai girls for fun times. I will not be sour or bitter as I know he truly loves me and just wants fun times - as I do. In the end, I am his princess and he is my king and THAT is how I treat him and THAT is how he treats me. Must admit though, am a bit nervous about going there because all of you guys bagging us white girls. Any suggestions boys (besides the obvious - I have the entertainment sorted!!)

CHRIS says:

LUCIUS, YOU'RE RIGHT! HOW FOOLISH OF ME.

NOW THAT MY TAIL IS BETWEEN MY LEGS I'LL JUST SLINK OFF AND READ MY LATIN DICTIONARY AND FIGURE OUT YOUR 'NAME' AND WHY YOU BOTHERED.

CIAO.

JACK COKE says:

Western women often bring up the lack of stimulating conversation with Thai girls. With girls of any race etc the stimulating conversation quickly goes.

Look to any married couple, do they spend all their time talking current affairs and putting the world to rights, as one did at uni in each others rooms.

Most guys truth be told just want a warm hearted girl with a good arse who doesnt dole out ration book sex...

Thai girls fit the bill, western girls doent IME.

JACK

The voice of common sense and reason

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

Lulu,

"Must admit though, am a bit nervous about going there because all of you guys bagging us white girls"

No need to be afraid ;-) We're all gentle guys, even though some of us are barking anonymously in cyber-places like this.

Everybody can have a good time in Thailand, including falang women; they just loose somehow their right to terrorize their male partners, as the risk of a separation is high enough anyway.

Enjoy your stay and don't let your partner have *too* much fun. I think they call it "Damage control" or so ;-)

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus

John U says:

I've never writtten anything really nasty about farang females, but it definitely puts them on the defensive after they're in Thailand for a few days, and it's quite funny to watch.

Married couple arrive at my hotel. Isaw them checking in.

Typical farang couple. She doing a bit of bitching about this and that. They were in the hotel bar that night - lots of Thai ladies around, and she was having a good butchers, but still showing no affection to hubby.

Couple of nights later they were in the Check Inn 99. What a difference! She wouldn't let him go. She was draped all over him, and whispering in his ear trying to take his mind off the all girl group doing their thing, and the "available" ladies all around. He had a job to go for a piss.

:<))

Isabel says:

I am a latina from the states who is working in Thailand as a researcher. I started out life economically disadvantaged, worked my way into a top university, graduated with honors, and am proud of my intelligence, independent thinking, and sexuality. The men I've been with (in the west) like it too. Most of these postings have cofirmed my suspicion that many of the men here have an Asian fixation, or are into brown women as an exotic object. Most of you couldn't get near women such as this in your own countries, so you need to come here for "feminine" women. What you really mean is that you can't feel like enough of a man around truly intelligent women that are also attractive and sexual because you aren't enough of a man. And you go on and on about white women, forgetting that most of you farang men are far worse. By the way, I ALWAYS attract men half my age, am usually here alone in Bangkok, and would not waste the effort of even spitting on one of you, never mind looking jealously at you and your Thai girlfriends. Unlike many of your Thai girlfriends, I can't fake it that well or that long. After being here for 2 years, I am convinced that women of the west owe Thai women some kind of award for siphoning off the garbage of western countries and clearing out the gene pool for when I return. Good riddance. I'm sure you're Thai girlfriends and wives will find a way to deal with you in the end, one way or another.

mr peter says:

'my suspicion that many of the men here have an Asian fixation'
10 out of 10 very bright of you to pick that up Isabel

'Most of you couldn't get near women such as this in your own countries',

Obviously nonsense, but who wants the women we can get near when we can get something half the age, better looking, sexier and cuter in LOS. Then of course there is our Asian fixation to take into account, pasty looking falang women just don't make the grade even if they are intelligent and worked they way up from being born in a slum.

'I ALWAYS attract men half my age'

Of course you do luv some guys will shag anything, what sorts do you go for anyway,?doormats by the sound of it.

'I am convinced that women of the west owe Thai women some kind of award'

This is true they deserve an award for being stronger, sexier, more charming, and for saving us from western women with a chip on each shoulder-peter

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

Yes, Isabel,

Yes, you are so right. Now please confirm that you are the twat from whatisthecrap.com (or similar) and you get 1000 Bonuses reward for proving that western chicks are full of shit and proud of it. Besides, I had about 25 girlfriends in Western Europe, (quite a few more passengers) and I am 32. I was invited to work here, and love my Thai GF most! Because she is the most respectable till now.

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus

John U says:

Isabel,

Quite a rant you had there. Methinks you protest too much.

If you were happy with yourself, I don't think you'd have felt the need to let off steam like that, and people who tend to tell about how easy their conquests are usually don't have any conquests.

Reminds me of a friend of mine who never used to talk about his sex life. As he's getting older he tends to give chapter and verse. It's obvious to me that he isn't performing very well, but he's trying to convince me that he is. Same with you I think.

As far as an Asian fixation is concerned, yes I think I have that. I find the light brown skin quite attractive. Don't see anything wrong with that.

As regards women of my own race and age, I have three of them wanting a relationship. One of them is my best friends widow. He's been dead three years and she's been trying ever since.

So no problem with women, but Thai ladies are more attractive to me, and seem to be much more affectionate and willing to please.

What would happen in a longer term relationship who knows, but in the meantime Johnnie's happy.

Ubangi me, Ibangi U says:

Well, listen to Isabull/Godzilla/Beak/FatAssWhiteSlag! What a fucking moron. Isabull, your IQ is lower than mine by at least one decimal place, and possibly one COMMA. So, don't even BEGIN to tell me or anybody else here how we are threatened by your "intelligence". Just like the rest of the self-centered garbage bags full of Cream of Wheat in the west who have the temerity to call themselves "women", you insist on blaming others for your own shortcomings. Girls like you are a dime a dozen; I step over your like same as any cigar butt in the gutter.

As far as intelligent conversation, I wouldn't even consider trying it with the likes of you. Your mouth is only good for one thing, and you can't do it while talking. Fuck sakes, intelligent conversation with most women is impossible, that's why we men have friends.

The simple ofact of the matter is that Asian women know how to be strong while keeping their femininity. THAT is what we men feel so attracted to. Asian women are strong and feminine at the same time, a trick that western slags can't seem to figure out. And, for good reason. They are so busy telling people who disagree with them to shut up that they never get the message.

Why don't you fuck off back to www.whatthefuckisthisshit.com and fill that page with your brainless natterings? There's nobody there smarter than you, because there's nobody there.

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

One more, Isabel

Please stop following us. Most of us fled more than 10,000 kilometers in order to avoid your crap-talk. Now you're here... Are you getting laid, besides? I bet my 2 balls that nobody in Bangkok considers you when you enter a pub or bar. Please, disappear!

tonychang says:

so no chance of a bunk up then Isabel....??

rob says:

Isabel, you mean you've been in Thailand for 2 years, and during that time, you didn't even have one single Thai boyfriend. Do you find Thai men, really that unattractive?

Greg says:

Choose your enemies carefully Isabel, for you will become as them.

Jules says:

OK, so by this time most viewers would have worked out that Isabel is not Isabel but another Isabel.

Isabel2 is older, from the States not the UK, Latino not Anglo and is proud of her promiscuity unlike Isabel who is proud of her monogamous relationship with Kev.

Is that quite clear?

As to women being intelligent I can only suggest that this is in a different way to men and trying to compete one with the other is a waste of time. One is not better than the other.

A Cambridge professor once confessed to me that lady academics were OK but incapable of truly original thought. They were best suited to work which required strenuous research than work which required leaps of deductive logic, languages rather than quantum physics.

I have since taken issue with this as my Asian lady has the most incredible insights and deductions based on no logic at all that unfailingly prove to be correct.

We have intellectual discussions every day but whilst she can speak six languages I can perform long division in my head.

The Yin and the Yang, the eternal struggle. God, life is so wonderful.

Jules says:

Ooops, sorry for that misisnfo.

I see that David has just posted eleswhere on the site:

"Isabel

You share the same name, IP address, opinions and writing style as the other Isabel so it's reasonable to assume that you ARE one and the same person. After all, the chances of anyone else matching that profile are millions to one.

When will this seemingly never-ending stream of lies and half-truths stop? Haven't you and Kevin already humiliated yourselves enough?"

So Isabel2, the Latino swinger is also good old Isabel the faithful companion to Kev (who is also a Korean).

Oh life is so wonderful.

niall says:

Guys I am in England at present so I can't help poor Isabel but one of you based in Bangkok please please give her the good fucking that she so clearly has not had for over 2 years and as we can see its making her very irritable. At worst you'll save 1,000 baht for the night at best she'll probably pay you.

Please guys have a heart and give her some cock. Regard it as a mercy shag. Gag the bitch first and do it doggy style and it won't be so bad...

Oz Terry says:

" I ALWAYS attract men half my age,"

When men are in their teens they will fuck anything they can including their hand often. They have no money or power to get the women they want (who are fucking men with money and power) and they have a lot of hormones. Dont confuse this behaviour with you being attractive.
Ask to be taken home to meet their parents or ask to meet their friends and see what reaction you get

Jules says:

Terry,

The acid test!!!!!!

Would you want your mates to see you with the Latino swinger twice your age. Would the waiter ask, "And what would your mother like?"

More power to her for having casual sex with young horny vigorous men. If only it was true!!!!!!

Isabel says:

I am a different Isabel, not of the "pair" Kevin and Isabel, am not an academic, have been laid several times here and have been the one to terminate potential relationships, have been hit on by farang men in relationships with Thai women, attract men of all ages and always have since I was 15 and still do. I do not sleep with teenage boys, as I desire real men, which I define as those who can dominate me naturally, without me having to appear subservient or having to resort to a spoon-fed script on proper or comfortable male/female roles. The reason why I am mostly alone is because I find there to be a severe shortage of real men here, and I must be here for professional reasons at the moment.

My last post was full of vitriol, but nothing compared to the hateful posts that preceded it. The level of hatred toward women in this country is staggering. The fact that most of you rave about Thai women doesn't change that fact, because you mostly relate to women in your postings as a piece of meat and not a human being. The human part seems to be secondary, which is not surprising since most of you seem barely human.

The real fact is, I've never decided to love or not love a man based on money, here or anywhere. I don't need this from men, as I can make money myself. What I need from men is their manliness, which means so much more to me than their cocks and wallets. I think I possibly feel sad for some of you, because many have obviously lost or never had a real connection with women beyond sticking your dicks in a nice-looking hole. Very sad, but judging by most of your violent postings, pathetic.

You deserve to pay the farang price for your women.

Ubangi me, Ibangi U says:

OK, this time I'll try to be patient, although it won't be easy. You simply aren't listening, and that is the kernel of the problem many of us have with farang women in general.

What we keep saying to you and all the other Isabels and Beaks and Godzillas that swarm around this site, is NOT that we want women to be subservient. We frankly don't care if you have your own money or not. We don't want to be pandered to, we don't want to be "spoon-fed" anything.

Read this quote from the original posting, about Thai women. It's OK, I'll wait.

"...they make a man feel valued. To do this, they give him their undivided attention and refrain from hurtful criticism. In other words, they show him that they value him warts and all (even if they don't). They may only be after his money but, if a guy is happy, he probably doesn't care."

I find it interesting that you say you don't want to be a traditional or subservient woman, yet you want a man to "dominate" you "naturally". If you agree that male domination is natural in a male-female relationship, just how far off the scent can you really be? Is it really a giant leap to understand that men, even while being dominant in a relationship, have feelings too, and want to be validated by their women?

Another truth is, many men here have been cleaned out by farang women, many times just because they CAN. The work of an entire life, savings, houses, cars, retirement investments, etc., wiped out by a simple writ, a mere stroke of the pen by the feminist, man-hating legal system, abbetted by their lackeys in the legal and communications industries. We are resentful not only against farang women, but against the entire system that would permit that to happen. Do YOU think this is fair?

We also scorn when farang women criticize sex for pay. To somebody who has lost $750,000 overnight to a farang woman who simply decided she doesn't want her husband any more but she DOES want his shit, giving a girl $50 for a night of hassle-free companionship compares damn favorably!

If you've read this blog carefully, you'll see that we simply ask that women try to see the question from our point of view. If you can do that, you will undoubtedly gain the grudging respect of all and sundry here. If not, you won't. Then, if you can achieve this mental feat in cyberspace, try it in "meatspace". You'll be respected more, laid more, and find that there's no dearth of real men in Thailand.

mr peter says:

'I desire real men, which I define as those who can dominate me naturally'

Does this mean you like being told what to do or maybe you enjoy being tied up given the odd slap?-peter

Cog says:

http://www.busakorn.addr.com/cyber/cyber-frame.htm

Albeit somewhat highbrow, I recommend the above URL for an excellent insight into the "true" nature of this volatile discourse. The author is a Thai female.

mr peter says:

whew far to clever for me I'm afraid, SCT is crap though and has been for many years. Good job she has not seen MS, she could write a book-peter

Ross says:

my ex girlfriend was a thai who moved over here with her mum when she married a english bloke and i can say i didnt think much of asian women at that time but now that is the only kind of girl i will date cos most english girls have fat asses and think they r fit but most of them r not so i dont bother with chatting any off them up any more waste of time plus i know which is better now!
p.s im going out with a chinese chick now and she just as good ;) ross

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

This is another post from the kinder, gentler Ubangi. We'll see if it friggin' lasts.

The research paper on referenced page, "Cyberdiscourse on Thai Women on soc.culture.thai" claims to be an analysis of how Western men discuss Thai women in the newsgroup soc.culture.thai, and as such is something like the "metaphysics" of the discussion on this and other threads in this site: It discusses not the topic, but the nature of the discussion itself.

Although the author purports to want to examine the nature of the discourse, she instead fixes on an interesting but ultimately specious concept: In the Western psyche, Eastern people and society are percieved as different from Western people and society by a framework called "Orientalism". Here's the operative quote: "...[The] three major meanings of the term Orientalism [are] 1) a (Western-defined) academic tradition, 2) a style of thought based upon an ontological and epistemological distinction between "the Orient" and "the Occident," and 3) a Western style for dominating, restructuring, and having authority over the Orient." The gist of this concept can be boiled down to: Western prople think that Asia and its people are different because we have decided it is so. It has nothing to do with the differences in religion, history, culture, tradition, philosophy, etc., between east and west. This is clearly preposterous, and easily rejected out of hand.

Without this bit of sophistic stupidity, the rest of the paper does not stand. The reason is that she goes on not to draw conclusions about the NATURE of the discourse, as she claims to be setting forth to do, but the ATTITUDE of the participants, being one formed by Oriantalism, and the misconceptions it gives rise to. Thus, the paper ulltimately boils down to just another feminist diatribe, although cleverly cloaked in pseudo-academic language, with all proper citations and footnotes in place.

Frankly, I found the paper to be ultimately without substance, and not a little ironic. On the one hand, the author decries the contributions of Thais to the discussion as mostly limited to "jingoistic" defenses of Thai women's virtue, but in fact that is all that the entire paper boils down to.

I would have given this author no more than a C+.

Jules says:

Isobel2,

Despite your claims to be the exact opposite of Isobel1 (whilst sharing the same IP address) your posts are very similair banging on about the same subject.

ìThe reason why I am mostly alone is because I find there to be a severe shortage of real men here, and I must be here for professional reasons at the moment.î

A ìreal manî eh??

ìThe fact that most of you rave about Thai women doesn't change that fact, because you mostly relate to women in your postings as a piece of meat and not a human being."

I would humbly submit that you are the one choosing to denigrate them as ìpieces of meatî. Hence any relationship involving them cannot be valid as a real man could not have feelings let alone love for a ìpiece of meatî.

This attitude is also prevalent about prostitutes amongst women all over the world. Because they are ìpieces of meatî and hence not human how can a man fall in love with one, endangering your security as wife or girlfriend? Hence a man going with one is only satisfying an animal urge and cannot be emotionally involved.

I suggest you are reinforcing both comfortable concepts in one. All Thai ladies with farang men are whores. Hence as farang men in general prefer Thai ladies no real men exist in Thailand.

"I've never decided to love or not love a man based on money, here or anywhere. I don't need this from men, as I can make money myself."

So if you needed it you would be right in there. Not much of a moral high ground.

"I possibly feel sad for some of you, because many have obviously lost or never had a real connection with women beyond sticking your dicks in a nice-looking hole. "

Back to the ìpiece of meatî hypothesis again?

"You deserve to pay the farang price for your women."

Well at least we agree that farang women are in it for the money and security despite your claim that you personally are not. Not that I find this offensive, it is human nature to want security.

The one thing I didn't see in your post was your attitude to Thai men. When you rent one is that as a ìpiece of meatî? If you seduce one do you think it is for your sexy latino looks or do you worry it is for your purse? Or do you dismiss all Thai men as not being ìreal menî because they are Asians or because you do not have the language skills to dominate them intellectually?

Isobel I feel sorry that you have such a lonely life in Thailand but your attitude will drive away any ìreal manî or even any ìpiece of meatî (after they have drained your purse)

Fortunately this is only a phase for most farangs and if you last then you will feel differently in another year or two as you discover that Thai people are the same as people elsewhere.

You may eventually find a husband and settle down to have babies.

Good luck.

mossman says:

I'll bet Isabel does have a sparkle in her eyes that would ashamedly attract a guy like me, but I've been through the wringer with western women, and sworn them off as generally too greedy. Lucky you.

Isabel, while you are young enough, idealistic, and not burnt out spiritually, you ought to get another mission in life, besides living/working in a darkened room trying to cripple Mango Sauce(entertaining us in the process).
Try some work with the disadvantaged, in an orphanage; help someone whose life would be changed with a little love, trust and care. There...you'd make a difference. Go outside too, get some fresh air; three or four hours a week, how much can it cost? And start with one person.

Your efforts at this site are only helping you morph from the name-of-the-day, to a bitter, finger-wagging-tart. Don't do it!

A friend of mine worked in an intensive burn care unit. He told me about a girl suffering third degree burns from a gas explosion, her face wrapped in bandages. He remembered how incredibly strong and good natured her spirit was; all this girl wanted was another chance in life. He fantasized the bandages would unwrap to reveal a face matching her inner light. Unfortunately, life can be short and painfull, ''kid''.
So many women I know have let their expectations destroy them so... if you insisted Kevin build you a pedestal to stand on, and he naively built it, get off once in a while and put him up there half the time!

Or be prepared for a slow, painfull ''crash-and-burn''.

Combover says:

Back to the URL Cog posted.

From a smart Thai lady. This is quite good...

http://www.busakorn.addr.com/slantyeyes.htm

Ubangi me, Ibangi U says:

So, CO, just interested, you disagree with my analysis and the C+ grade then? On what basis? Not a manhood challenge to you a la many other threads, just wondering what you saw that I missed?

Combover says:

Are you referring to me Ubangi?

Don't disagree with what you said at all. I don't feel qualified to express an opinion. I looked at the original link and found it a bit tough to think about concpets of Orientalism on a Wednesday afternoon after a heavy lunch so didn't go further. You are probably correct.

But I did have a look elsewhere on her site. The content of the URL I posted above was less academic in style than the original posted by Cog.

I have some sympathy with her experiences as a Thai woman overseas, and the conclusions & associations people draw about her personally because of her nationality.

Ubangi me, Ibangi U says:

My mistake for having assumed your link was the same as COG's, I stand corrected. Let me go back and have a look see.

By the way, the STRAIN of all this COURTESY is having a very pronounced effect on me; THE VEINS AND SINEWS ARE STANDING OUT ON MY TEMPLES...

Just kidding.

I think.

Ubangi me, Ibangi U says:

OK, Combover, I read most of the cited link, skimmed some of it. Here is my reaction (not that you asked): My impression is that the writer suffers from what I call the "local universe syndrome".

Examples of "local universe syndrome":

- She wonders why people ask her how they can find a Thai girlfriend. What are they supposed to ask her once she's told told them she's Thai, how they should go about meeting a Flemish girlfriend?

- She is in awe about being found beautiful, totally discounting the fact that where she lives in the West she is in fact exotic looking, a slim, tan-skinned, black-haired almond-eyed girl in in the land of pasty lard-asses (note no gender reference, the men are fat too!). I can assure her that she would probably be brushed aside and ignored in China, where white skin is prized and the "good looking" girls are absolutely alabaster white, with pearlescent and practilcally translucent skin, making all but the whitest girl in Bangkok look almost cartoonishly black by comparison. My Thai lady, who is considered very attractive by Western men, was ignored and even snubbed by the local men in China, Singapore and Korea (although the girls befriended her in droves).

- She comments about the fact that the web searches she does all talk about Thai girls in terms of sex. Well, much of the internet is about sex really, like it or not. If she went to an adult book and movie shop and could search the content there by subject matter, exactly how much content would she find using the search term "Thai girl", or "Italian girl" for that matter?

Thus, the "local universe syndrome" is the syndrome where a person surrounds themselves with a particular local universe, then generalizes that local universe to the wider world and attempts to analyze or cope with that wider world using the conclusions drawn from their limited experience. This is a rookie mistake which past which most people soon progress.

To me, the referenced article is not to the same point as the thread. The subject of the thread is (if I understand correctly), "Why are Western girls passed over and/or given their walking papers in Thailand." That is a whole 'nother question than the one addressed in this article. Western girls in Thailand don't have a "local universe" problem. They have a real cultural problem, which is that their (our) culture teaches them to be things that we Western men are starting to realize we don't want; we often realize just how much we don't want those things when they are juxtaposed with what we DO want. If that realization happened in Brazil or Russia, we wouldn't care less.

Just my 2 cents.

joe says:

I have lived in Thailand for five years and have farang female friends who do quite well, man-wise.

Don't think a lot of the views here are based on reality. They are narrow. Men who come for paid sex see one side of life in Thailand, bar girls, maybe a few curious backpackers, but there is an elaborate web of social circles, life they never see.

Many men who are normal and healthy don't get a thrill from paying for sex. No challenge. If you do, that's fine.

Jules says:

Joe,

You are quite right that life is complex and so is Thailand.

As a man who has FFFs who do well with men can you give some tips to Isobel2?

Unfortunately I am not qualified to as my FFFs are either married or lesbians.

Isabel II says:

o.k. lads, this is Isabel the II (from 10 July onwards), and I'm back, but only for a short while because I have to run. I just want to properly address the rest of this thread before I leave you to your site for good. And just to set the record straight, I am really NOT the same Isabel of previous postings, who tried to close down the website. I wouldn't have the slightest clue how to shut down a website.

I have to admit, you guys made me smile this time, and I am genuinely happy to see some actual brains and humanity hiding under those initial barbarian, chest-beating, war cries. You guys melted a little bit, in turn melting me a little, and this is along the lines of what I mean by "natural" dominance, or what we call "chemistry" between a man and a woman in the west. You want women to be "feminine" and strong, but real masculinity also encompasses strength and vulnerability, albeit in a different formula. And we were all ourselves, scathing comments included, without me having to change a thing. And yet, I still feel a little better about most of you. But I'm skipping ahead, more on this in a moment. Before I bask in the afterglow of some of what I felt were heartfelt and honest comments, please allow me to return to the purely impersonal task of addressing some of your comments:

I don't have a problem with men who pay for prostitutes, as I find this an honest exchange. The problem I have here is that this exchange is very often blurred between marriage and relationships and not often admitted. This is then pared with the constant and grotesque characterisations of western women, which may be needed as some sort of justification I suppose. I also don't have a problem with prostitutes, respect them more than women that actually resort to marital prostitution, both here and in the west. If most of you also despise this so much in the west, why do many of you acquiesce to it so much more readily here? Quicker, too. And please don't lecture me on how this is not true, because I have been reading lots of material and conducting interviews on gender and socioeconomic dynamics for a couple of years on Thailand and Asia in general. There are respectable sources everywhere that explain how this is true, so please let's not play a game of rhetorical hide-and-seek, o.k.?

Yes, alright, there are different economic factors, but increasingly, dire economic conditions are not the most important factor in seeking bride price anymore, it's more about supply and demand (more demand from foreigners, higher bride price, less purchasing power of Issan Thai males, simple economics). Anyway, this is a long and complicated one which could command its own thread, but I don't have time right now. But I am cognizant of the million other factors that can fit into this topic.

You all seem to also lump "feminists" into one, catch-all, man-hating phrase, but there are actually a lot of radical feminists in the west that are actually prostitutes. There are many prostitutes that are lesbians (and that includes some where you would never know the difference). Again, no time to elaborate, but food for thought. Also, third world women tend to have different viewpoints than the dominant culture, but still may call themselves "feminist". So please confront your own biases whenever you loosely use the term feminazis. Every woman that confidently asserts another point of view that challenges you and can match your vitriol is not a nazi. Maybe she just has something to say.

O.K., you guys still with me? Just for the record, I'm not ragging on you, I really do appreciate your immediate prior comments and tone, but let me now address what I think are some of your own blindspots in some of those comments which also contributes to some of these "volatile" exchanges between western women and men sometimes.

Logic - you tell me that my problem along with other farang women is that we don't listen to you. You also tell me I protest too much. But please take a look at your previous posts prior to 10 July (especially in relation to the actual title of the article). I don't have time to paste them selectively here. As Ubangme, says, I'll wait.

I mean, can you really honestly say that my problem was that I wasn't listening?

One of you also immediately asserted your claim of a superior IQ to mine when I never even mentioned the point of IQs. Isn't that a classic knee-jerk, male-inferiority complex? And then you mention a male professor's implicit superior assessment of female professors' alleged lack of orginality. I think this one is obvious, isn't it fellas?

And then you lambaste me for being mean and nasty, but some of you resorted to verbal rape as a retort (Ubang me ibangu), but admittedly, as I said earlier, revealed an entire diametrically-opposed side. Very nice surprise, and a whole lot sexier. I'm actually extremely interested in whatever you have to say now.

Look guys, I also appreciate your seemingly sympathetic and caring sentiment about me needing to get laid, (from the hearts I'm sure), but trust me when I tell you, I could get laid a whole lot more in Thailand whenever I so choose. I tried it, several times, didn't like it. I've had great sex in my life, and so after some experience, quality becomes more important than quantity (until it's with the right person of course). So thanks for looking out, but I'll be alright.

You asked me about Thai men, and I'll do you a few better: I'll break down what I've experinced as the difficulties I've had in finding men who inspire me to rip the clothing off their backs:

1. Thai men: very good looking, as is their female counterparts, but either, yes, it is language, different cultural expectations of women, or general infantile tactics such as lying badly, trying to play the butterfly, and overall very bad interpretation of the fake macho that turn me off.

2. Farang expats that have shown interest in me, either:

have girlfriends and wives already, no thanks.

are horribly controlling and abusive when things don't go exactly as they want

hold unnbearably chauvinistic attitudes that harken back to my grandfather's era

or, eeek, actually are from my grandfather's era. (o.k. as granddad, but not as my lover; not for me anyway).

just plain weird and emotionally desperate, possibly from years of interacting with women on a pay-by-use basis.

nice, but easily discouraged or reticent at the first sign of a challenge of any sort.

good-looking, but with absolutely nothing interesting to say.

To be fair, I've met a couple of exceptions, but I guess the rest of you romeos are with Thai women. Oh woe is me. But on a serious note, I use to say that some of the worst men on the planet are here in Thailand, but I'm not as quick to say that on this website anymore. So, I know that you have provided food for thougt for me, and contrary to what you've said, I've really listened. Maybe we just focus on different things.

And for the record, I do think that the Machavellian gutting of a man's savings and assests down to his last t-shirt is wrong. This is just wrong on principle, but in actual fact according to divorce statistics, is that what actually happens the majority of the time? I doubt it, but I don't really know. But I don't doubt that it has happened, and yes, I agree, that's wrong. But the utter lack of legal protection for women that we find here is not the answer, as we all know, because we live here and know of the countless abandoned children and Thai women that are then resolved to sex work to support their entire families.

I just believe that women deserve the full range of options, brain-power, and room to express that range as much as men. And real men don't have a problem with that.

'nuf said for me. Hope I explained myself. This letter is an attempt at a little understanding, maybe a preliminary ceasefire, or even a truce. I won't be back unless you ask me to come back. Oh, and by the way, I already do work with the disadvantaged, but thanks for the suggestion.

I'm out boys, cheers. Isabel the II.

Rogan Josh says:

Isabel2,

Don't go. I found your posts amusing, radiating a sense of humour, and a certain amount of humility.

Maybe you have realised, men will always take the path of least resistance, and why shouldnt they. Other than silly latin men ( IMO ) men want an easy life.

What's the point in pursuing some girl who is playing hard to get, none in my opinion .

Rogan

mr peter says:

well what a tirade, I got as far as 'some of you resorted to verbal rape as a retort' then could not bear it any longer. Verbal rape, what the fuck is that ? Can you be verballly murdered or verbally pissed on as well? I bet she does like to be tied up though. Now shes's gone so we'll never know-peter

Ubangi me, Ibangi U says:

Well, Bubbeleh, I wasn't going to do this, but here goes:

"I don't have a problem with men who pay for prostitutes, as I find this an honest exchange. The problem I have here is that this exchange is very often blurred between marriage and relationships and not often admitted. This is then pared with the constant and grotesque characterisations of western women, which may be needed as some sort of justification I suppose."

A la Ron Reagan, first presidential campaign debate: There you go again! Despite your promise to the contrary, you weren't listening, evidenced by the fact that you have these two ideas reversed: Because of our perceptions of western women, we prefer the company of Asian women, and are willing to pay for their time if it comes to that.

Also, we're not confusing a "rent-a-date" for marriage. However, if you enter a LTR with a girl, regardless how you meet her, regardless of the economics, it is fair to compare that relationship with a marriage.

"I also don't have a problem with prostitutes, respect them more than women that actually resort to marital prostitution, both here and in the west. If most of you also despise this so much in the west, why do many of you acquiesce to it so much more readily here?"

If I understand this question correctly, it is, "Why do you allow your romantic relationships withg Thai women to be formed as econimic deals, where you don't do it with farangs."

There you go again! First of all, this question is the same old farang female stereotype of farang-Thai relationships, and as such deserves little attention on that basis. However, there is another answer with which I will enlighten you: Many of us farang men have had our purses cut by the illusory and ultimately transitory promise of unconditional romantic love. After that, a girl who says, "We can be together, but I'll need to send money to Mom every month" is so refreshingly and disarmingly honest that we're willing to go for it. Besides, how many farangs in the west have their mother-in-law living with them (I didn't coin the term "in-law apartment") or send money to a brother-in-law who is unemployed and stuck for this month's rent? What's the dif?

"You all seem to also lump "feminists" into one, catch-all, man-hating phrase, but there are actually a lot of radical feminists in the west that are actually prostitutes... Every woman that confidently asserts another point of view that challenges you and can match your vitriol is not a nazi. Maybe she just has something to say."

There you go again! We see feminists as the same not because of what they ARE, but because what they SAY and DO. Every strong woman might not be a feminazi, but why is it that what they have to say all sounds the same? The issue here is not strength, but fairness. Why don't you come out and strongly proclaim your belief in fathers' rights, or forcefully proclaim the fact that a wife who never works a day in her life simply should not be entitled to strip away a man's entire life just because she feels like moving on? You address this question, but in the same old feminist way, "Women ought to have legal rights." Yeah, maybe, but what about fairness? Do these legal rights include the right to be indolent without consequence?

"One of you also immediately asserted your claim of a superior IQ to mine when I never even mentioned the point of IQs."

One of your central points was (and continues to be), that men are threatened by intelligent women. Thus, YOU brought up the subject of intelligence. Our response was: Men aren't threatened by intelligence. Besides, while demonstrating a certain writing style, the content of your messages has generally been the same as the other Isabels, Beaks, Godzillas etc., and they aren't bowling us over with their brain power, either.

"And then you lambaste me for being mean and nasty, but some of you resorted to verbal rape as a retort (Ubang me ibangu), but admittedly, as I said earlier, revealed an entire diametrically-opposed side."

If you've been reading this blog, you know that I have been posting under this moniker for a while. As much as I'm flattered that you thought I made this name up specifically to force my poison pen into your rhetorical vagina, honey, it's intended to be a reflection of this alter-ego's confrontational style. Thus, I don't engage in verbal rape, and if I did I'd always use a condiment.

"I just believe that women deserve the full range of options, brain-power, and room to express that range as much as men. And real men don't have a problem with that."

There you go again! While this is a lofty-sounding sentiment, it is ultimately false. Men DON'T have the full range of options. We are constantly hemmed in by our need, and the need of the others in our lives, to live a responsible life, in many cases at the expense of the life we truly desire. How many men are working in a fucking office for $40K per year and hating it, when they'd rather be playing guitar in a reggae band for $20K? However, we can't just drop out, take all our wife's shit, and go. This is the central conceit of feminism, and we don't just resent it, we HATE it not only for what it says about women, but also for what it says about ourselves.

"This letter is an attempt at a little understanding, maybe a preliminary ceasefire, or even a truce. I won't be back unless you ask me to come back."

I'm not sure understanding was achieved because, as I have tried YET AGAIN to show you, you aren't listening. No cease fire is necessary because it is not you we dislike, it is the false ideas you have been taught by the liberal feminist media and you can't yet seem to let go of.

Your choice of whether to participate in this dialog is not up to us, it's up to you. If you do come back, I'd give you 2 pieces of advice: 1) If you really aren't the "whatistheshape" moron, get another name. The name "Isabel" carries with it a particular aroma that will attract the same sort of flies that she does, and 2) Try even harder to hear the meaning behind the words. You sound like you WANT to, you just haven't broken through yet.

mossman says:

Isabel,

You manage to answer a few of your own questions here, which is progress.

''1. Thai men: very good looking.... but either.....different cultural expectations of women, or general infantile tactics such as lying badly, trying to play the butterfly, and overall very bad interpretation of the fake macho that turn me off.''

''2. Farang expats that have shown interest in me, either:
-have girlfriends and wives already, no thanks
-are horribly controlling and abusive when things don't go exactly as they want
-hold unnbearably chauvinistic attitudes that harken back to my grandfather's era
-or, eeek, actually are from my grandfather's era. (o.k. as granddad....).
-just plain weird and emotionally desperate, possibly from years of interacting with women on a pay-by-use basis
-nice, but easily discouraged or reticent at the first sign of a challenge of any sort
-good-looking, but with absolutely nothing interesting to say''

Sounds as though you've got alot of expectations to cope with, before you find the right guy. So many of your ''difficulties'' are role reversals anyway. Goodluck!

''Oh, and by the way, I already do work with the disadvantaged, but thanks for the suggestion.''

I wasn't talking about Kevin.

mossman says:

''Ubangyou'',

Whew!..relax...and take a breath, Bro. Count to ten. Despite your last posts' delivery style, I'm with you on the major points.
Peace/'n/solidarity. Btw: I play in a small rock/reggae band, but only for pocket change, and to be a closet rockstar. I play the bass guitar; you know what that means.

IMO, ''Isabel''(Isabelle, Isabella, Elizabeth) is a very pretty name.

(Watch this girl change it now)

Cog says:

Ubangi me wrote:
"Thus, the paper [http://www.busakorn.addr.com/cyber/cyber-frame.htm] ulltimately boils down to just another feminist diatribe, although cleverly cloaked in pseudo-academic language, with all proper citations and footnotes in place."

I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the paper was written under the hidden pretext of a "feminist diatribe". However, I do agree with your analysis that, "[the paper] It discusses not the topic, but the nature of the discussion itself."

Although the author does suggest that the Internet is a bastion of male-dominated misogynistic culture, her paper merely attempts to explore why:
1) Western men have preconceived ideas of Thai women as being hookers and desirable mates; and
2) Male hegemony on the Internet in relation to "gender politics".

The author does not set out to rectify any misconceived stereotypes of Thai women. Neither does she attempt to lend credence to the presupposed views of falangs. Surprisingly, her defense of Thai women is entirely lacking; therefore, one can safely surmise that the author's intention isn't to play the role of a feminist. Rather, being a Thai woman herself, she assumes a position likened to that of an invested shareholder. The anti-men diatribe that one feels probably originates from the somewhat academic patronizing tone throughout the paper. I picture her smirking...knowing that her paper will elicit the predictable chauvistic responses from us men. I also picture her nude...but that would be velly wong.

BTW, I happen to agree with her proposed concept of "Orientalization". It would not be remiss to suggest that we all have a tendency to perceive the world through our emprical framework -- conforming others to our own set of parameters. What doesn't fit, we try to forceably remove from the high comforts of our pedestal. Tabula rasa...we certainly are not and never will be...

Cog says:

I'm gonna guess Isabel II ain't Isabel I. I have a tendency to lose the plot easily.

Would some astute slueth be kind enough to diagram the Isabel1-Isabel2 link a la Bush-Bin Laden family connection schematics? TIA.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

COG:

I have neither the time, interest nor energy just now to cite the dozens of cases where the author accuses Western people of objectizing Thai women, a key harangue in the normal feminist diatribe. I will leave that exercise to anybody who is interested. If you don't see it, ask me when I have more time and I'll copy/paste a half-dozen or so examples into this thread for you.

As far as Orientalism is concerned, it is not her concept, so she doesn't deserve the credit for even this bit of nonsense. Further, I still find the argument that somebody conceptualizes something purely by cultural inputs, and can't move beyond their concept when they encounter future data on it, never mind concrete examples, to be ludicrous. I wouldn't entertain it in the reverse (e.g. I can't believe you have "Occidentalized" me and thus don't think I might have read and understood the teachings of Buddha, Lao Tsu, etc.), so how can you entertain it at all? Sorry, even if I were to suffer a fit of cultural sensitivity, I couldn't sell mankind off so easily as to believe this politically-correct bit of contrived idiocy.

Your measured tone and attempt to inject a bit of scholarship into this dialog are appreciated, however. It seems that there is not enough of this either here, or in other web-based dialogs if the same ilk. That point, of none other, was well made by that paper.

Cog says:

Khun Ubangi me,

I find her accusatory tones (if any) towards Western men rather restrained and benign.

In the context of the paper, the author places Western men into two major categories: those that find Thai women desirous and those that view Thai women as objects of lust. Regardless of category, she points out that there exists an erotic ideal/fantasy of the Thai woman -- created in part through Western preconceived notions (i.e. Orientalism and "cultural artifacts"). Here's the point I'm trying to make: her methodology of exploration shouldn't necessarily be equated with a PC-feminist's agenda. Presumptuously speaking on the author's behalf, she's just probably wondering why certain falang men are so enamored and infatuated with Thai women.

You wrote:
"[I] still find the argument that somebody conceptualizes something purely by cultural inputs, and can't move beyond their concept when they encounter future data on it, never mind concrete examples, to be ludicrous."

Although I agree with the above opinion, I can't help but think it's actually a red herring. You can't deny that there are expats who, despite being veterans in Thailand, still cycle the stereotype that Thai women are sexual objects. It seems these falang men are impervious to new cultural cues and data; they don't adjust their Occidental mental framework. And, Thais despise them for their cultural insensitivity.

Moving on...
The author is trying to point out that concepts of the Orient/Oriental women are merely synthetic constructs of the male Occident's mind; the Reanimator who falls in love with his own creation -- where the resuscitated lifeform becomes shrouded in the creator's own obsession and imagination.

Falang: Hey Joe, have you seen my new BG?
Joe: Not yet. Where's she?
Falang: Ain't she gorgeous? And, a fiesty beast in bed too! [to bg: who's your daddy, baby?] I tell ya, I don't miss dem bitchy white women...nosiree bob!

IMO, the following author's assertions nails it down pretty well:
"In the process of stating, repeating, and circulating their perceptions of Thai women they know or heard of, the Western males construct, define and reinforce a singular cultural ideological composite Other--the Orientalized Thai Woman. This perceived Thai Woman is partial, vague, opaque, having no life or substance--no different from a mannequin. She is an archetype of a Woman who is someone different, opposite--someone Other than the perceived "demanding," "aggressive," "bossy," and "self-centered" Western women who are thought to have "lost" their "femininity" that can still be found in the Thai Woman. The Orientalized Thai Woman's identity is hence constructed based on what the Western women are thought not to be subdued, gentle, obliging, sweet, feminine, exotic, alluring--characteristics reminiscent of the Japanese geishas and the Egyptian courtesan Kuchuk Hanem. When Western women are viewed increasingly as undesirable, this perceived/constructed Otherness in Thai women becomes more appealing by contrast."

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

OK, I'll simplify this down a bit and see if we can find someplace to meet here.

My answer to the part of your post that pertains to Orientalizing is: If somebody objectizes a particular class of people, they are not "Orientalizing" or "Occidentalizing" or a "male chauvanist" anything else. They are ignorant.

In particular, if an asian person (or anybody else) contrives to assign a name to "ignorance" in order to make ignorance of Asian people and their cultures some "special" or "different" form of ignorance, they are either self-aggrandizing, they feel the need to invent a snazzy new word that means, "Ignorance about the subject of Asian people and gultures" so the prof will hopefully ignore the worthlessness of the rest of their thesis and give them a better grade, or, they are just ignorant.

We don't need a new word for ignorance, the old, agreed-upon one suits fine. Let's you and me be intellectually better than that, shall we?

As to the rest of the posting, the copy/pasted quote, it proves my point nicely, thank you. My point is that her paper digresses from an analysis of how Western men discuss Thai women in the newsgroup soc.culture.thai, to an analysis of the attitudes of the participants, and the wrongness of those attitudes. Your copy/pasted quote from the paper could not have done this more succinctly, thanks for saving me the trouble of finding it.

From your copy/pasted quote: "The Orientalized Thai Woman's identity is hence constructed based on what the Western women are thought not to be... reminiscent of the Japanese geishas and the Egyptian courtesan Kuchuk Hanem. When Western women are viewed increasingly as undesirable, this perceived/constructed Otherness in Thai women becomes more appealing by contrast." I hope we can agree that this is not an analysis of the nature of the discourse, how it is being conducted, etc., but a qualitative judgement (I won't use the polarizing word "attack", although it applies) on the attitudes and thought processes of the participants, and the conclusions those participants reach.

In other words, the author comments on the CONTENT, not the NATURE of the discourse, and is therefore taking part of the discourse itself. That is not the stated goal of the paper. I don't know how to make this any plainer than that.

As to your earlier comment that she does not leap to the defense of her Thai sisters, I disagree. She continuously registers her disapproval of the discourse throughout the paper by repeating ad nauseum the false generalization that all men think of all women as stereotypes, geishas and harem girls and whores. This is the SAME OLD FEMINIST BULLSHIT, like it or not. The only twist to this tired rehash of feminist doctrine is that the author slings around a reverse racial stereotype (or maybe even slur or epithet), "Orientalizing", in the vain attempt to paste slanty eyes on this very lame old dog that won't hunt, and never would. As I have already stated, the concept of "Orientalizing" has no legs intellectually, sorry. She is simply calling the participants in the discourse "ignorant", and that, again, is joining the discourse.

Therefore, the paper is as I said, not an analysis of the nature of the discourse on this question on the internet, it is a thinly veiled attack on non-feminist concepts of women, with the Thai spin thrown on there to try to drive the chauvinism angle home that much more. QED

By the way, if you read the section titled, "The Internet as a New "Equalizing" Medium and Gendered Power Relations", you can see what the entire paper should have contained. When I read this section, I was excited that some original thought was going on, hence my disappointment in the rest of the content. It was on the strength of this section that her grade from me is as high as C+, without it the paper would have fared much worse, I'm afraid.

Combover says:

Well - I read I2's original - and enjoyed - but couldn't really be bothered to assess the merits or otherwise of the responses.

Anyway, as long as we can get away from the cliched dogma on both sides it has to be a step forward.

Mind you, where's TK? I'd have thought this was just his bag.

TANAI KWAI says:

Hi Combover.

How I'd love to join the fray in earnest. I'm just up to my ass in alligators at the moment.

(cheers)

Combover says:

In that case I'll have an alligator sandwich.

And make it snappy!

Jules says:

Well Isobel 2 actually sounded quite nice at the end there.

As to Thai men butterflying, lying and generally being manipulative bang on. But fake macho?????

Just hope she finds true love and romance from a dominating, young, good looking, intellectually bright and articulate lover.

I have one and she is brilliant.

Cog says:

Khun Ubangi me...

It seems to me that you are blindsided by the author's lack of originality to repackage a "feminist' theme that you've failed to see that I've already wholeheartedly agree with you on an academic level -- she does indeed partake in the discussion of her Western male subjects and therefore, taints her own conclusions. Nevertheless, one can't simply mute or invalidate her poignant views (one of them being: Thai women feel they are recipients of falang objectification), based on the author's violation of neutrality. Let us not 'throw the baby out with the bath water', shall we?

We seem to have different reactions to what may be perceived as "feminism". Feminism doesn't conjur up images of negative female stereotypes for me. An intelligent woman voicing qualitative judgments with a unique spin of Western men being, as you've stated, "ignorant", doesn't mean she's necessarily a feminist. Emancipated? Yes. Vocal? Certainly. Feminist? From the academic approach of her paper, I seriously doubt it. I'll do more research on this topic once I've cleaned the dishes and scrubbed the floor. Where's my apron?

I'll step aside and let the real authentic intellectual men of Mangosauce chime in...

Over and out.

Cog says:

Isabel II wrote:

"1. Thai men: very good looking, as is their female counterparts, but either, yes, it is language, different cultural expectations of women, or general infantile tactics such as lying badly, trying to play the butterfly, and overall very bad interpretation of the fake macho that turn me off."

Play the butterfly? Such effeminate imagery to attach to us machismo Thai men. Take it back, that is, unless you offer me the chance to...

...gently carress your soft petals while sipping your sweet nectar moist-laden by the dew. My dear Tulip, or is it two-lips, if you intend to deny me this opportunity, then keep in mind that I shall willingly flutter back your way whenever you so need me.

Yep, Georgia O'Keefe would've been proud.

John U says:

Intellectual????

I cannot understand psuedo intellectuals seriously analysing the interesting but fairly trivial writings of a Thai lady in the US.

Much ado about nothing surely? :<)

Cog says:

Unfortunately, pseudo-intellectuals such as myself, have nothing better to do.

"Much ado about nothing surely? :<)"

A placid Irishman? His woad dye must be wearing thin. ;)

mossman says:

"...you've failed to see that I've already wholeheartedly agree with you on an academic level -- she does indeed partake in the discussion of her Western male subjects and therefore, taints her own conclusions. Nevertheless, one can't simply mute or invalidate her poignant views..."

Cog, poignant? Whew! (blah, blah, blah) I read the "study" (some of it interesting) and personally I'd guess she's not Thai at all. I'd also pick you as younger, wanabe brother of TK, except your writing is so buried in text, it's lost direction, and you've let another western feminist wind you up, again.
(Thanks for that)

"...gently carress your soft petals while sipping your sweet nectar moist-laden by the dew. My dear Tulip, or is it two-lips, if you intend to deny me this opportunity, then keep in mind that I shall willingly flutter back your way whenever..."

Georgia O'Keefe, or a ballad to the mirror? Okay...you're being facetious, So, share your intuitive, interpretative skills, and maybe graduate from "younger brother".

Isabel II = Izzy 2 ? says:

You guys are seriously funny. There is nothing like aimless male banter to make a girl laugh.

I want to rise to the challenge of continuing where I left off and explaining all the things I left unsaid, but, it's Friday night and I much rather go have a drink. I must say, I also think my work productivity has declined a notch since I discovered this sight. I didn't know I was going to start forming a habit here.

I'm not very focused right now, but what I meant about the verbal rape thing were the comments about getting me down on all fours, holding my head back, gaggin my mouth, etc. .... you know, friendly conversation openers like that. It had nothing to do with your moniker (Ubangime, ibangiu, et al.). And yes, in a sense verbal rape or abuse is possible, when the aim of sexual violence is more about the assertion of raw dominance and humilation rather than sexual gratification.

But look, that's a dark chapter of our budding courtship between one alleged feminazi and feminazi haters, so please let's just leave that animalistic pack mentality behind. I only bring it up again to clear up confusion about my previous point, not to reopen it.

There are obviously intelligent men on this thread, and some apparent decent ones, too. So, I know none of you are blind to the fact that you complain about the liberal, feminist, legal, media,monopoly of the west (to paraphrase some of your comments and obvious sentiments) yet you all willingly come here to unload your capital in a society that doesn't give one whit about your talents or anything else, where the Thai investor will always own a 51% stake in whatever you originate if they don't divest you of it altogether, and where you can't own land unless you put it in a Thai ladies name. Just about everything in the economic and political framework encourages and in some examples blatantly protects wholesale corruption and theft imperiling the assets of FDI and small investors. And of course, the interpersonal rent-seeking and predatory behaviour of smallactors is legendary.

How on earth can you overlook this glaring contradiction in your arguments as you gripe about the takeover of feminazis in the West? Where in this Kingdom, doctors encourage men to walk around with a thermopack for the very high probability that they could be the next victims running around with their dicks in a mini-fridge. Of course, there's always the option of being slowly poisoned to death; Thai medicinal herbs are amazing.

On another tangent: did anyone read about the school teacher that poisoned her primary school kids with pesticide? She said she didn't mean to hurt or kill anyone, she just simply found the receipe while browsing through the latest copy of "Drugs to die, poison to Kill." Light reading. I guess she is part of that very important 3% of Thais who read regularly.

Anyway, Yes we western women are protected legally, and sometimes it is abused. A whole lot of men have also abused the traditional set up of husband and docile wife in the west. That's why the daughters and granddaughters of these people refuse to return to that era. I'm not interested in marrying the man I want to be, I'd much rather be the woman I want to be. And I'm not so keen on cutting off my lover's/husband's dick. It's much better the way nature intended it. Are western women so terrible for wanting to be treated equally before the law, employers, income allocations, educational systems, our lovers and husbands, and sure, while we're at it, even the fucking mailman? Well, I got news for you boys, this is progress. And if you don't believe me, why don't you boys do a little research on the extent of female abuse and violence in countries where there are no rights-based, anti-discrimnatory laws such as Thailand.

Like I said, I can't go on a long thread because I need a drink, it's Friday night.

I also wanted to say that when I and other farang women talk about subservience or submissiveness, we're generally not talking about some cliche where you make your wives perform housework in a Frenchmaids outfit (although could be fun if she's into it), I'm just pointing out the very real fact that Thailand and S.E. Asia is a male dominated, discriminatory, socially ranked society. Women do not rank well here within the cultural, socio-political, religous mileu except as virgins, wives, and mothers. And hell, I'm neither, and from the sounds of it, neither are a lot of Thai women. Also, the ones that are were lied to because most Thai mothers don't fare very well either. They are also taught from birth to serve their brothers, fathers, families, and husbands. This means everyone first, woman second, except of course, in areas of controlling money and running the household. Now, I know a lot of you decent western men have "saved" a lot of these women from that fate, but as much as you hate to hear this, women will never really be "saved" until they can save themselves with a socio-political framework that responds to their humanity and legal rights.

Women should have other opportunities of attaining self-actualisation besides becoming a wife. I'm not saying marriage is bad, but here marriage is a sort of survival for women. Indeed, most women here are not really treated like a person until they have a man (I personally can attest to this). There are many ways in which Thai women are discriminated against and definitely not protected by the law, society, and even their own families. This warrants a much longer and better presented argument than what I am providing here.

Yes, the west is different. And I'll admit, modern and post-modern culture have spawned some confusing and shifting modes of interaction between men and women. But a healthy culture shifts and changes. In the west, male dominance is no longer a god-given right, it is a skill. And you all better, be good!!!! I gotta go have fun.

and please Ubangime, no more fuming condescending remarks, as this is a variety of the ugly, male dominating behaviour. And you keep banging on about how you told me everything already when you didn't. Anyway, I'm too tired for this I gotta go.

good weekend everyone. (Should I take up Ubagime's advice and change my moniker? I'm thinking of Izzy 2).

mr peter says:

Why are you always going on about women isabel, can't you post about anything else? When you do post something can you make it a bit shorter, say a tenth as much because I cannot concentrate for as long as it takes to plough through it all, you should write a book luv.-peter

Cog says:

"...I read the "study" (some of it interesting) and personally I'd guess she's not Thai at all."

It depends if you distinguish the Lanna folks from your Thais. And, no...she's not the average BG Thai that most falang males are familiar with...

"I'd also pick you as younger, wanabe brother of TK, except your writing is so buried in text, it's lost direction, and you've let another western feminist wind you up, again.
(Thanks for that)"

Khun TK and I are actually Siamese twins. We're idiot savants. He's the savant and I'm an idiot.

I admit, my writing reeks. However, if you find the "direction" is frequently off, I'd recommend you getting a new compass.

I don't get wound-up based on the fact that I find someone (feminist or not) has something worthwhile (operative word) to say. You're just projecting.

"Georgia O'Keefe, or a ballad to the mirror? Okay...you're being facetious, So, share your intuitive, interpretative skills, and maybe graduate from "younger brother".

You're askin' me to dissect and analyze my own fucking stupidity - Ode to my reflection? That would be the ultmate in masturbatory endeavors, would it not? My point was...Isabel2 generalized from her experiences that Thai men had a tendency to "play butterfly" (I'm guessin' she's implying that Thai men are philanderers). As a Thai man, for me to offer a vociferous rebuttal would be...predictable. Therefore, I decided to just play along...like a butterfly. Khao jai?

BTW, Georgia O'Keefe is an American female artist known for her large canvas paintings of flowers that, to me (and others), mimic vaginas...you know, to attract butterflies.

Mossman...I like your genuine posts. I'm just a little surprised you've decided to direct a barrage of ad hominems, albeit subtlely, at me. What happened? Got ganged up by a bunch of Thai techno fuckers?

Cog says:

Isabel2...you must be parched after that lengthy post. Run along and get yourself a drink...and make sure it's a stiff one (wink wink).

Isabel II says:

Hey,

had a few drinks, feel a lot better, love Georgia O'Keefe, and appreciated your posts (especially Cog's ode to butterflies). I won't post that long again. I've said everything I could possibly say.

I guess I'm waiting for Ubangi's next torrent of wrath to rain down on my rhetorical head. Or not.

Cheers.

Niall says:

Isabel,

You spout the normal feminazi nonsense that we in the West have come to know and not love. You also wrap it up in the usual clothes of reasonableness.

Who could object to equality? Who indeed. But we all know that feminazism is not about equality its about female domination of males, and guess what? We don't like it!

The males are bailing out. The marriage strike is on. Even as we speak a chief feminazi in the US is trying to introduce legislation to frustrate US males trying to marry non-US citizens.

We are all useless pathetic jobless losers with small dicks and no personality and no 'real' woman would ever want us but... they're passing laws to stop us marrying other women! Perhaps you could explain that one to me.

Fianlly, I had some respect for your views until you used the phrase 'verbal rape'. Rape is physical, it is one person having sexual intercourse with another who does not wish it to happen. Go look it up in the dictionary. What does 'verbal rape' mean? Well its seems to mean anyone saying something you don't like. To me that's a discussion but to you its 'verbal rape'.

Oh your disagreeing with me. You must be verbally raping me! HELP HELP!

mr peter says:

Niall you should be arrested, how dare you verbally arse fuck Isabel like that-peter

Nicko says:

Much as I loath the cunt you have to feel sorry for him:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3882561.stm

Marraige is dying in the West because women not only want equal rights (which I have no problem with) but then that's not enough - they want it all. For some strange reason the law backs them up all the way.

niall says:

Nicko,

It is not strange it is democracy. Women form the majority in most western countries now (USA 52%). Plus they are a reliable block vote for any politician who panders to them.

If you do not know this I can assure you the politicians do!

Thats why you always see the phrase 'women and minorities'. They try to bracket themselves with the 'oppressed' even thought in truth they hold all the political power...

Greg says:

Thanks for the link Nicko. Ya, that's sick. At least reading it makes me feel sick.

That kind of stunt has nothing to do with feminism, as she obviously feels her pussy entitles her to more than a penis would have.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Isabel, or whatever, I give up. You compare our rights in Western countries, which are being systematically taken away even though we are entitled to them, to Asia, where we freely understand that our rights as non-citizens are restricted, and we understand that we are not entitled to them. After reasoning like that, I do not have to add anything. Everybody knows at what level you are functioning.

You are right, maybe you ARE listening, and don't get it anyway. In that case, it's not worth trying to take this discussion any further.

mossman says:

Cog, I knew Georgia O'Keefe.
Cog, you're no Georgia O'Keefe!

Just kidding, okay I get it now. Those colorfull landscapes of hers are also voluptuous and sensuous. But GK was never wordy or pretentious. She was a shy mid-western girl who hated fame and publicity. She moved to the foothills outside of Santa Fe to get away from all the gold diggers and work in quiet desert solitude. But if you're really Thai I'm impressed you referenced anything about her at all, so my hats off to you.

And Cog, I've read Ubangi...
Cog, you're no Ubangi. (Thanks goodness for that!)

Whoops, there I go again!

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

"Intellectual???? I cannot understand psuedo intellectuals seriously analysing the interesting but fairly trivial writings of a Thai lady in the US. Much ado about nothing surely? :<)"
Sorry, COG and I will try to keep the discourse to where it is accessible to those of you having trouble keeping up.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Mossman:

I defend you against the feminazis and their thinly veiled attempts to use academia to attack us yet again, and you dis me just when I'm on a roll??

A rolling Ubangi gathers no Moss, I guess!

The new, kinder, gentler Ubangi is getting attacked far more than his vitriolic precedessor... Maybe time to get that spear and sheild out of mothballs (Mossballs?)

Dana says:

The Georgia O'Keefe reference is pretty impressive no matter who it originated from. Makes you wonder who is sleeping with Tanai Kwai?

mossman says:

"I will try to keep the discourse to where it is accessible to those of you having trouble keeping up."

"I defend you against the feminazis and their thinly veiled attempts..."

Hi Ubangi. Thankyou for defending me against those "thinly veiled...attacks." That was a close shave!
And I needed one. What you need is to:

1.) Put the anger on the back burner for a awhile; it only sticks to your back like something called "target".
2.) Balance yourself(Ubangu anti-feminist cannon fire vs a little anecdotal humor), by combining whatever todays "isms" are with an "abstract" now and then. You'll keep a larger audience and you won't turn people(me) away so quickly.
3.) Get your end away?

Pretty painless advice.

Btw: Wonder what this coming election years most memorable quote will be, as in "I knew KFK, and you're no JFK", and "There you go again." (Or our last elections: "I am not a nation builder." Nobody remembers that one!)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Moss:

Is it this blog you're taking too seriously, or just yourself? OK, I owed you that dig for taking me to task. I actually harbor no animosity toward anybody on this blog, male, female, or Isabull.

I could mockingly take apart your three bits of well-intended advice. ("Put the anger on the back burner for a awhile; it only sticks to your back like something called 'target'". "Well, OK, kiss my back burner!") But why? This shit is all just fun, and the personal attacks diminish the fun. You'll notice I try not to engage in them (except to Isabull, who I'm starting to think is the same person as Kevin, a Shiva-like entity with both masculine and feminine features, who so richly deserved the punishment she got from all and sundry). Note that I didn't personally attack you, I just had a bit of fun with your nom de guerre.

Yo, this is just a bit of fluff to me, a diversion between things that really matter. I have no beef with anybody here, even the feminazis. I just enjoy tripping people over their own conventional thinking, alerting them to the intellectual complacency and embedded pretzel logic that allows cleverly-crafted lies by interest groups who have an axe to grind (and usually want YOUR SHIT in the end) to dominate and subvert discourse.

I am not interested in which of my truths turn people (you, Isabull, or whomever) away. I didn't come here to make friends. I challenge people to think better. If that doesn't make friends for me (of people who I will never know in "meatspace"), but I get just one person to look at the present state of the world's discourse differently, that is enough. Hate me, but think.

Thanks for worrying about my "end". Now I know how Isabull2 feels when the Blogiteers here worry about her getting laid. Frankly, my "end" is generally well taken care of, it's my MIDDLE I'd like to get away from.

As to this year's election tag line, it unfortunately hasn't become clear yet. We don't have a brilliant slate on the Dem side (not witstanding Edward's teeth and hair he's a pretty straight-up liberal). These guys aren't going to give is the biggie.

Bush has apparently abandoned the "compassionate conservative" label that worked so welll for him both in the Texas Governor's races and in the first Presidential race. He seems to have replaced racial sensitivity (a much sought-after trait for a Republican that probably got him the White House the first time) with the frayed mantle of a "wartime" president, in a society whose left-leaning media mock anything "war"-related, blunting his message.

It might be down to somebody like Nader, whom the Dems have tried so hard to sideline because he's the Dem who's closest to the truth about the Dems, and he's not afraid to speak out. Also, don't rule out a last minute push at the convention for a tag-line to save us from total boredom.

John U says:

"Sorry COG and I will try to keep the discourse to where it is accessible to those of you having trouble keeping up"

Really Ubangi, it was only four lines of very simple prose and you failed to understand it, evidenced by your comment. Perhaps you would like to read it again. I'm certainly not going to explain it to you.

"keeping up" ? Keeping awake is more the problem.

So much hot air over something so trivial. Do you understand that?

Nads says:

Ralph Nader is under some pressure for taking funding from the Republicans who wish to see the Democrat vote split. The price of truth is evidently not as high as one might imgagine for Mr. Nader.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/09/MNGQQ7J31K1.DTL

mossman says:

"I am not interested in which of my truths turn people (you, Isabull, or whomever) away. I didn't come here to make friends. I challenge people..."

Okay, Ubangu...but it isn't these "truths", or your content, that may turn me away. It is the "nature" in which you present them. Alot of what you said rings true (to some degree), though it is the manner in which you offer them that makes you a target.

First you say things like:
"Many men here have been cleaned out by farang women, many times just because they CAN. The work of an entire life, savings, houses, cars, retirement investments, etc., wiped out by a simple writ, a mere stroke of the pen by... feminists...abbetted by their lackeys in the legal and communications industries."

Some writing I happen to be in agreement with. I know too many decent guys renting an apartment over the fourth world bakery shop, while she's taken the house, the kids (the dog even!), all the while telling anybody within listening range what variant of an idiot he was, or still is.

But then you lose me with:

"I'd give you...advice: 1) If you really aren't the "whatistheshape" moron, get another name. The name "Isabel" carries with it a particular aroma..."

That, in particular, is what I mean. Any reader, pro or con, might forget about the truth(s) of the previous remark, and pick up on the attitude of the writer, which is just plain angry. You obviously are passionate on this issue, about Mango sauce, but just tone it down a bit? You're doing all these long blogs, only to slam yourself in the rear (why? when you can get somebody else to do it).

And finally,
"...this bit of sophistic stupidity, the rest of the paper does not stand. The reason is that she goes on NOT to draw conclusions about the NATURE of the discourse, as she claims to be setting forth to do, but the ATTITUDE of the participants." Whoops, you got me here.

PS: Possible sound bite for coming debates, "Your Father should have finished the job." Maybe not.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

I frankly don't give a shit about the last two comments, and won't glorify them any further except for this: The (only) two people who are having trouble with what I have posted (intellectually or otherwise) seem to have some sort of problem with everybody else on this blog, as evidenced by reading elsewhere. 'Nuff said.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

As to the comment about Bush I should have taken out Saddam, Both Bushes did what their congressional mandate limited them to. As much as it seemed logical that we should just have taken out Saddam at that time, the US Congress only gave the president permission to remove Iraq from Kuwait (this in accordance with UN resolutions). To do otherwise would have been illegal and impeachable.

Although the leftist press would prefer that you forget this, the US Congress authorized Bush II to do what he did. This congressional resolution was voted for by both Kerry and Edwards. This was also in accordance with UN resolutions; a quick search of the UN website turns up UN resolutions threatening the use of force and related to WMD that datae back to 1989! So much for the "rush to war"!

Maybe Pat Paulsen is running again?

Isabel II says:

Oh Ubangi me ibangi u, please excuse me for not being clear enough for an embittered, self-aggrandising, sub-particle like yourself.

There's nothing much I can say anyway that could adhere to any semblance of a reasoned thought in your brain on the subject, because you've been stripped and oxidized by your own corrosive self-hatred. And who can blame you?

No wonder you think all women are after money. There probably aren't very many who want to be around you for very long and suffer in silence or muted agreement unless they are paid.

But you have convinced me to reconsider one point - I guess I can understand marital prostitution a whole lot better.

Here's to you and your whole half a decimal point.

mr peter says:

'not being clear enough for an embittered, self-aggrandising, sub-particle like yourself'

Ooh er would this sort of carry on be that verbal rape our Isabel was complaining about, or is it only men who can do that?-peter

Right-wingnut! says:

'Leftist Press' is the usual binary spatter for people like Ubangi Me, Ibangi U who don't read The Wall Street Journal or The New York Post. Is it really necessary to throw in Fox News not to mention the rest of the freedom hating venomous radio right? Bill O Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh and Footnotes Coulter if you wish to go full circle back TV.

Liberal bias? Take a firm grip and take yourself out for a good shake.

Pro.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Slow down, sweetie. It wasn't MY reasoning that was so specious. If you'd like, I'll cut paste a few more examples.

It is not me who is having trouble thinking here. If you would just say ONE ORIGINAL THING, that is not right out of the Gloria Steinem handbook, we might have grounds for a meaningful discussion.

There is plenty you could say that would stimulate discussion and thought in this blog. We breathlessly await the time when you say any of it.

It's cute how you are trying to stand behind a couple of other people and hit out at me. By the way, choose your allies carefully: They generally agreed with my content, but disputed my style.

I won't respond to the personal attacks. As with all such things, they are simply a smoke screen for somebody with nothing meaningful or clever to say. As usual.

I do not hate myself, dearie. This is yet ANOTHER constant feminazi theme. If men can't see that women must be in the dominant position in all relationships, we hate ourselves. To prove we are secure we must allow women to be dominant shrews. Check the feminist dogma at the door here, baby, this is Thailand.

And of course you understand marital prostitution. You are a feminist. You are entitled to everything just because of that mucus-lined hole.

By the way, sweetie, it was YOU who said they are alone all the time and not getting laid much. I have no such problems. Tell you what, I'll give you US$50 to fuck you, eh? That solves both of the problems you seem to have.

If you want to condescend, at least do it to people who are below you.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

You, nut!

Spot on! You managed to name two newspapers out of the thousands published in the US, and one television network out of the hundreds. Thanks again for proving my point.

As far as the radio commentators, are you REALLY confusing the impact had by a radio talk show versus the impact by the bias shown by an entire international news service, like Reuters? You are comparing a handful of commentators to the effect had by the entire liberal left-leaning movie and TV industry? THIS is your evidence that the left isn't in control of the media?

You Bang On and On says:

I refer you to 'Understanding Media' An academic work published 1964. Get back to me when you've completed it and we can have a meaningful discussion.

In the meantime Bucko, if you're click finger is feeling twitchy DONT attempt a knee-jerk post back as you're evidently on the back foot intellectually. But DO check out this link. It will appease your right wing nut rants until you've read up on the matter.

Kisses

x

http://www.triangle.com/books/zane/story/1151270p-7254225c.html

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Let me see, you're asking me to look at a 40 YEAR OLD ACADEMIC PAPER, then you telling ME that I'M ON THE BACK FOOT???

I don't need to read what the (also left-leaning) academics were saying about the media when I was four years old. Please shake off the cobwebs, join us in the 21st Century, and contribute something meaningful.

Tracey Emin says:

Just 'cause something is over 40, it doesn't mean it lacks merit.

Thought, I'm sure your barfines will disagree with this.

Cog says:

"Cog, I knew Georgia O'Keefe.
Cog, you're no Georgia O'Keefe!"

555!
Khun Mossman,
I wouldn't dream of tarnishing her stature by comparing myself to her..."there can be only one!" (The Highlander). You must pardon me, I had Georgia On My Mind.

Cog says:

Posted by Isabel [II]| July 10, 2004 09:13 PM:
"I am a latina from the states who is working in Thailand as a researcher."

I'm seriously doubting Isabel II is "from the States". I'm not a forensic writing analyst, but Isabel II's last post seems like an "off-pattern" anomaly. S/he's a Brit.

Khun Ubangi me wrote:
"You'll notice I try not to engage in them (except to Isabull, who I'm starting to think is the same person as Kevin, a Shiva-like entity with both masculine and feminine features, who so richly deserved the punishment she got from all and sundry)..."

I agree.

TANAI KWAI says:

By no means wishing to be perceived as yet another lunging penis in this attempted verbal gang rape, nor wishing to underestimate the cultural literacy of the readership, but...

Isabel II writes:

"love Georgia O'Keefe"

Georgia O'Keefe's continued popularity derives as much from her art as from her stature as a feminist icon -- in no small part because she painted extreme close-ups of flowers that a lot of people believe resemble vaginas. Learning to love your vagina, in all its petaled and fragrant glory, whether by perching atop a hand mirror or attending vagina-themed theatre, is one of the steps on the road to self-discovery for many a gal.

(...lest anyone here believe they are not as much a caricature as those they rail against)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

"Just 'cause something is over 40, it doesn't mean it lacks merit. Thought, I'm sure your barfines will disagree with this."

Let me see, if a person still has worth past the age of 40, then an academic analysis of media content 40 years in the past must have worth when discussing the media of today?

Again ignoring the weak and baseless personal attack, it ceases being challenging or even fun when all I have to do is paraphrase a post, and add a question mark, and the post can be seen as absurd.

C'mon, Tracey! You surely can do better than that?!

mossman says:

Cog,

"...I knew Georgia O'Keefe.
Cog, you're no Georgia O'Keefe!

That was a twist on the infamous 1988 US vice-presidential debate quote between Dan Quayle and Lloyd Bentsen (and a nod to Ubangi's use of another well known one - "There you go again!" - Ronald Reagan-1980). Mine was meant to be a little more in jest.

Quayle: "I have as much experience in the Congress as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency." Bentsen: "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

Underestimating your balanced posts has put me in my place.

I should probably... "Hit The Road, Jack!" (mossman)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Yo, Moss!

That might be the only thing Lloyd Bentsen ever said that anybody remembers! It was for sure a nice dig. One wonders who actually came up with that line, and how lucky he must have felt when he got the chance to deliver it!

Although I am no fan of JFK, I agree with Bentsen, Quayle was no Kennedy; he wasn't even a Dead Kennedy! Bush I would have given himself much more credibility by picking Bonzo the Chimp (Ron Reagan's "running mate" in several movies) than by picking Quayle.

Frankly, I was hoping Bush I would pick Elizabeth Dole, formerly Transportation Secretary and then President of the International Red Cross, as his running mate. What a masterstroke THAT would have been! How many people who voted for Bush I the first time voted against Dan "The Potatoe" Quayle the second time?

U need banging up. says:

Sir. Are you familiar with the term 'Chisel'. For a Chisel is what you are.

I'll give you one example: How old are Newton's Laws of motion?

'nuff said. Now get back to your education fool.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

You liken PHYSICS to MEDIA? Christ, this is too easy.

For the benefit of those not following: The book referred to in the rantings of these posters, "Understanding Media - The Extenstions of Man" was written in 1964 by Marshall McLuhan. McLuhan, derided as a crackpot then and forgotten now, was most famous for two main coinages, "global village", a metaphor which most people now believe he stole from James Joyce, and "The media is the message", which the people in this thread seem to think is some cosmic truth transcending all time, like Einstein's theory of Relativity.

The gist of the "media is the message" idea is that that a new medium's value to society is measured not by the messages in the data, but by the impact of the media itself. In other words, a medium is more important than its content.

To paraphrase the famous illustrative analogy, offered by McLuhan himself: Travel was known before the invention of the railroad. Railroad's impact was that it made travel accessible to many more people. By this reasoning, television did not invent stupid liberal ideas, it simply brought them to more people.

While this is true, it is not germain to this discussion. In fact, McLuhan's book, and some of his subsequent books, are along the lines of the academic paper discussed earlier in this thread: They are a comment on the media itself, and not the message. As such, this is another "metaphysics" pertaining to this topic.

Further, the people who are attempting to bludgeon me with McLuhan are missing a nuance here: McLuhan's "media" is simply a means of transmission; another example of media he used is light. The media I refer to is the industry of content providers. These are not the same thing at all, and I never intended to refer to the former at all. I urge those who chide me over my lack ov education to become at least as educated as I am before continuing. Or at least learn how to read.

I often use a slightly modified, and I believe more accurate, version of McLuhan's comment on present-day media: He who controls the media controls the message. The liberal intelligentsia controls all virtually media outlets, books, movies, TV, news, etc. Therefore, you have no hope of getting unbiased data from any of them.

The concept of infotainment , and its use in the shaping of ideas, was virtually unknown in 1964. Thus, McLuhan's idea, while some extensions of it are intriguing, is ultimately a quaint anachronism. Please, guys, pick a more modern commentator. Or, dare I say it, have a fucking original thought of your own.

Cog says:

Khun Mossman,
I was aware that you were alluding to the Bentsen-Quayle debate. Quayle was no Jack Kennedy, but Edwards is no Quayle either -- where's the excoriation in the liberal press now? :) "Read my lips", Edwards will not hold the South!

Interesting insights by Khun Ubangi.

Right-wingnut! says:

Yes. I chide you for you lack ov (sic) education. Freudian methinks!

Toodle Pip

x

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

I take apart your stupidity in a scholarly way, and you pick out a typo in a forum where editing is not possible.

Is that the best you can do?

Mistakes may be Freudian, but stupidity is a condition. Run, Forrest!

Dana says:

Attn: Tanai Kwai--more on Georgia O'Keefe. Nobody else cares, the thread just flows around you like water around a rock; but I salute you. Since you like to play in this pond I have to assume it is the best that is available. Depressing.

John U says:

Dana,

Nice to hear from you again, but more on Georgia O'Keefe?

Showing my ignorance, but until I saw the name on this site I'd never heard of the woman.

What more is there to tell? Apparently she paints flowers that look like cunts.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana,

"like water around a rock"

Very evocative. I always said you have talent, though I habitually slag off at you.

I long for the days of Dana, and John U., and Errant, and Embittered Cunt, and Combover, and Dick Headley, and Tanai Kwai... et al.

(we coulda been a contender)

simon says:

I have been living in Thailand for 2 years and have not been happier. I am fortunate enough to frequently travel back to the U.K. and observe the differences between Farang girls and their Thai equivelants, what I can say, hopefully not sounding too disrespectful, is ladies in the U.K. please, please loose a few pounds !!! Is it both fashionable and acceptable now that women can flaunt their fat in public as if it is something to be proud of ?? Er I think not ! I feel sympathy to all my mates back home who have to suffer this day in day out, there is no excuse ..... greed is greed !
Over here at least the local people keep themselves in relatively good shape. I know lifestyle and different foods play a part, but it never used to be this bad ?

Combover says:

Britain is now the fattest nation in Europe.

We've taken over from the Deutschers and are rapidly gaining on our wobbling transatlantic cousins.

We are a fast-food-supersize-me-give-us-a-rub-down-with-that-chip-fat-luv nation. Pies, chips, curries, binge drinking, TV culture.

Mmm...

Right-wingnut! says:

Empirical evidence so far:

You haven't read the book.
You refuse to address your desire to give Bush a blowjob.
You are easy to troll with.
You are sensitive.

xx

Just as a curveball Copernicus. If the 'medium is the message' then, ipso facto the 'message is the medium'. Relate that back to the 'cool' (sic) medium of right wing radio in the US.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

"If the 'medium is the message' then, ipso facto the 'message is the medium'."
That is exactly NOT what McLuhan said. It is also not good logic, exactly what would be expected given your other "contributions" to this thread.

If an elephand is an animal, then ipso facto, an animal must be an elephant. Holy shit, it's a good thing that they made these computers easy enough for even people like you to use.

As I said, I have no need to read the whole book. It is as I said, hack pseudointellectual twaddle, widely disregarded by modern thinkers, and 40 years stale besides. It is no surprise that McLuhan is your god. Many people at that time and since thought he was insane.

I am willing to disregard your childish fantasies involving giving men blowjobs, even if you must replace others for yourself in your fevered onanism. What else could somebody expect from an "advanced thinker" like yourself?

You "troll" with people because you have nothing intelligent to say. Like any other naughty but immature child, you simply crave attention but have nothing worthwhile to offer to an adult conversation.

Evidence: You have not made a SINGLE argument, let alone an intelligent statement, in this thread.

Evidence: Aside from naming a 40-year old book whose author you could not even name and whose concepts you clearly don't understand, and offering a handful of counterexamples against an overwhelming plethora of evidence, your posts have had no useful content at all.

Evidence: Your fixation on giving Wolfowitz love and Bush a blowjob labels you as a not-so-latent homosexual with a fixation on people you peg as superior to yourself. I'd be careful with that, as that description also fits most of the rest of humanity.

Conclusion reached by me and everybody else: You are a childish moron with homosexual tendancies who hasn't got the brainpower to construct even the most simplistic thought, and you are not worthy of any more of my time.

Jules says:

Yes, I quite agree.

With Simon that is, as I do not have a clue who McLoonie was except maybe he was in Ocean 11.

And Combover has hit it on the head. A diet with too much fat, sugar and a lack of exercise has caused farang ladies to balloon. In itself I have no problem with that, not being the whippet I was when I arrived here.

It does demonstrate the wisdom of the Arab Muslim world which expects the women to cover up. As Arab men prefer the larger form there is a logical support to the argument that Islam expects fatties to cover up. I mean, when was the last time you saw a thin 30 y.o. stunner in Saudi?

Having said that the belly button showing fashionistis who are 20kg or more overweight in UK are not the worst horrors I have ever seen.

This special honour I reserve for two stewardesses from Indian Airways who flagged my car down in 1998. The sari was not designed for the athetic appeal of middle aged ladies covered in cellulite.

Second worst was the older lady who worked in Long Gun about 5 years ago. She was OK in dim light with her clothes on but they made her dance as well. Cellulite like you had never seen.

Having said that there are male mingers out there as well. And the honour belongs to the German gentlemen I saw in a hotel in Pattaya last year who was wandering through reception at the hotel wearing only extremely slim briefs. If a muscled 20 yo with a tight arse the women might have swooned (and some of the men) but he was easily 40kg overweight.

Hopefully noone read this whilst having breakfast...

Combover says:

Male mingers indeed Jules.

Balding, sweating, hairy eggs-on-legs-with-changs-in-hand abound in the LOS.

We all know this in our hearts.

Despite the fact that we may secretly tell ourselves we're not as bad as the next bloke ("fuck me look at the state of that Bob - he's been 'ere too long") or the aforementioned be-speedoed Deutschlander, we're most of us getting there sooner or later.

If I had 10 baht for every time a contributor on this site has at some time made a comment along the lines of "even if I do say so myself, I'm in pretty good shape for my age and have no problems whatsoever getting dates", I'd have enough for a crate of Changs and a short-time from Asoke Plaza.

So mangosauce somehow attracts some atypical demi-god subgroup of the global friends of LOS community.

Yeah right.

Isabel II says:

I am not Shiva, Kevin, or any other poser. I am still who I say I am. I sometimes lapse into British spelling because I work for an international organization. But forget trying to figure me out. You are only capable of reducing people down to types on this site. Feminazi/whitebitch/embittered cunt, or Thaiwoman/object of desire/prostitute. You just transferred the duality of Madonna/whore to the equally limiting dichotomy of thaiwoman/farang bitch. How rich.

I'm just a woman that followed a link to this erroneously titled thread. It was an accident that I ended up here. But then I find that it's just the same men talking about the same thing all the time - themselves.

Ubangime, you tell me not to get too comfortable here, because they all support you anyway. No shit Sherlock - this is your site, isn't it? Aren't you one of the intrepid genuises that comes up with the groundbreaking material for these threads? Why would I even post on this site if I was going to hide behind someone? Oh nevermind. Don't bother, because this site is not much more than an excuse to bash women and discuss Thai girls as if they are your latest KIA pets.

Tanai Kwai, I'm really touched that you emerged to run to the defense of your little friend, Ubangime. You stereotype me for mentioning Georgia O'Keefe, when I was acknowledging a post by Cog who mentioned her in the first place. This is the same kind of selective reasoning that rules every other discussion here. Why would anyone have guessed that I was starting to think you were intelligent. And don't even attempt to belittle me, while you roam this thread in your little pack.

I'm really sorry that some of you have been burned so badly by your poor choice of women that now you hate virtually everyone. But if this is a version of masculinity that has been produced by so-called "civilized" societies, then I really can't tell the difference between you and the "uncivilized" men that I'm sure you feel are beneath you.

Even with our differences, some of you have treated me like a human being, and sadly, on this site I feel like I should thank you for that. And yeah, I guess I'll continue to wait for the man who hasn't forgotten his own humanity. Silly me.

Oh, and Ubangime, as much as I appreciate the offer sweetie, save your money. You're gonna need it much more than me. I prefer love more than hate.

I'm outta here. It's been real.

Hafiz says:

It has not rained light for many days.
The wells in most eyes look
drought-stricken.

Thus friends are not easy to find
In this barren
Place

Where most everyone has become ill
From guarding
Nothing

On this primal caravan
Careers and cities can appear real in this
Intense
Desert heat,

But I say to my close ones,

"Don't get lost in them,
It has not rained light there for days.

Look, most everyone is diseased
From 'making love' to
Nothing."

Jules says:

"I sometimes lapse into British spelling because I work for an international organization. " ISABEL II

Ja, I also spell lich meine colleag but they are not the Britischer. Nein!

I thought it might wile away a few minutes if I was a sad git and just examined the spelling of Isabel II's posts for signs that Isabel may be an educated British lady. Very sad I know.

For instance how many Yanks spell "behaviour" properly? Not many as they spell it "behavior". One mark for Yank.

For those who would point out "gonna" is not English please note it is merely a contraction of "going to" and allowable in the Queen's English if not particularly elegant grammatically. No point either way.

But how about "organization"? Well it looks Yank but is actually from mediaeval English. Half a mark for British.

"Primary school" was an excellent phrase. thought they had elementary schools in the USA. One mark for British.

"A healthy culture shifts and changes" seems strange for a Yank. I thought you all drove automatic gas guzzling barges or even worse, Cadillac Escalades.

So Isabel II (spelt in a Yank way, Isabel the Second not Isabel No. 2) may well be British educated on the strength of these few words.

If you are a Yank then well done Isabel II in improving your spelling and vocabulary. If you are British then shame on you for denying you enjoy the beauty of Her Majesty's tongue.

Right-wingnut! says:

Good return on investment with you. Kerching!!

xx

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

'Bye, Shiva. May you live long enough to see the truth. Or at least have an original thought.

Now if the other McLoser would do the same thing...

TANAI KWAI says:

Isabel II:

I have no idea what you are talking about. I just made a comment about a painter.

(...)

TANAI KWAI says:

Isabel II,

I revisted my post and yours to see if I could make sense of you hysteria. I could not.

"Tanai Kwai, I'm really touched that you emerged to run to the defense of your little friend, Ubangime."

I was not defending anyone. I'm just a lonely voice in this pedestrian wilderness.

"You stereotype me for mentioning Georgia O'Keefe, when I was acknowledging a post by Cog who mentioned her in the first place."

You did not merely mention Ms. O'Keefe, you professed your love for her work. This sentiment has become feminist clichÈ, which embarrasses you.

How I long for a real woman like our erstwhile friend Linda, to dominate me naturally, with substance, wit and a soft but firm touch.

God, I am so bored.

"This is the same kind of selective reasoning that rules every other discussion here."

I did not offer any "reasoning." You're retorts are so affected and insipid, it's painful.

"Why would anyone have guessed that I was starting to think you were intelligent."

I will never get back the 2.5 seconds it took me to read that.

"And don't even attempt to belittle me, while you roam this thread in your little pack."

What is this? A threat? A coy invitation?

I'm dying here...
Eyelids...getting... heavy...
Heart... breaking... as site... goes to shit.

You and Ubangime are sucking the oxygen out of this place.

I await David's return with desperation.

(swing low sweet chariot)

mossman says:

"Second worst was the older lady who worked in Long Gun about 5 years.."

Jules,

You were looking at the older(fat)lady at Long Gun 5 years ago?

How could you not mention the dancing pair(some nights a third dancer), with huge, distressed hair, who came out around eleven pm? Crazed facial makeup, stage jarring leg splits, panties in your drinks...what were they on? It doesn't matter, but don't think I saw any fatties,(or even heard the music). That was the best, hardbody dancing show in town, for a few years. "I'd walk a mile" for those camels.

Thanks for jogging my memory. Back to breakfast.

Right-wingnut! says:

I was listening to the Liberal Talk Radio Consipiracy just the other day when I noticed it wasn't there. I thought about Fox and then thought, better not, life is short after all.

The Chances of anything coming from SARS is a million to one. But still they come!

Orson Welles luvs Mr. Panic.

xx

TANAI KWAI says:

"Second worst was the older lady who worked in Long Gun..."

As I recall they had her propped up on her own elevated mini dance surface near the door. I never understood the point of having that poor woman dancing there. I couldn't figure out if it was some kind of sick joke -- or was she perhaps the club "mascot"? Hard to imagine she did any business.

(...)

John U says:

Isabell II,

The part of your rant that really grabbed my attention was the phrase "your poor choice of women".

How right you are. I now realise that THE most important decision in your life is the choice of a supposed life long partner.

Unfortunately most of us are too young to make a proper assessment, and fall head over heels.

Act in haste repent at leisure. I'm still repenting.

There's a lot to be said for arranged marriages for the young. Trouble is they never listen.

mossman says:

"Hard to imagine she did any business."

There are some people who, first couple of days in Los, take a chunkie lady to ease the transition from their western choices in women to Thailands'. It IS a bit of a shock to the system, so I can understand. I've even tried a plus-sized model once (strictly research!).

Contrast brings clarity, sort of like reading Cogs Georgia O'keefe and Mr. "There-You-Go-Again." (sorry, Cog I couldn't resist keeping you in this).

Long Gun used to empty out immediately after the crazy girls show (suspect the dancers were on y-b or something). Those hotties slipped into their jeans, came back out to pounce on their sugar daddies.

I'd walk a mile to see those camels again...fly 9,916 miles too.

TANAI KWAI says:

No offense intended but I have noticed that Swedes and Spaniards, in particular, seem to hook up with the first woman they encounter on the tarmac at Don Muang, be she fat, aged, ugly -- whatever. They then proceed to spend their entire 1-3 weeks in pleasant monogamy with that lady, much like an older couple on holiday in the Canary Islands.

Back to the Long Gun, Moss, ever encounter a young short-haired lady named "Mee"? Used to be featured on the Long Gun website a few years back. A really sweet person.

(?)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

Glad to be held in such esteem here! You can tell a lot about a person by the people who dislike him. I am heartened.

It seems as though anybody who offers anything with more substance than a half-witted insult, a moronic left-wing tinged pronouncement of their desire to perform fellatio on public figures, or some sort of agreeable patter, is immediately pounced upon. Again, I am heartened that I do not fit this pattern, either.

As to sucking oxigen from this or any room, I accept the complement from one expert to another. To be honest, when I got to this little kaffeklatch, I didn't notice any oxigen in the room to begin with. The walls are positively concave with the lack of intellectual oxigen of any sort.

It would appear that many of you long for the days when this blog was used mostly to reminisce about the nasty bout of scabies you got in Phucket, and that particularly pustulent clap you got from some nasty hooker on Soi Khee Moo. Sorry to change the subject.

As I have said, I have no beef with anybody in this blog. However, if the other inhabitants insist on keeping the discourse at this level, I will be happy to contribute.

But I must stop now, as brevity in this blog is prized far more than anything else. Keep up this level of discourse. I revel in these surroundings, where people seem to complain and insult each-other simply to keep their fingers from going into syphillitic spasms. It appears there is far more value in this than in the exchange of thoughtful ideas.

(Here is where I am supposed to a cute parting shot, I guess?)

TANAI KWAI says:

People who describe themselves as "intellectuals" <== tools.

(...)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

You approbation cuts deep. We must all hide our lanterns under bushel baskets in your presence.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

*lack of approbation*

TANAI KWAI says:

Ubangi's Paradox:

If I use simple words I won't trip over then I shall not be regarded as an "intellectual."

But if I use "intellectual" words I can scarcely spell much less understand then I shall appear fraudulent.

Oh, heavens me.

(yes, more intellectual oxigen please)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

You are comfortable sparring with the unarmed. However, you seem at least fairly intelligent. Why don't you use half the effort engaging in interesting conversation that you employ formulating personal attacks on people who don't respect the authority you speak from in the first place?

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

By the way, in re-reading your post, it appears that I initially gave you undue credit for reading comprehension. "Intellectual Oxigen" appears to have set your little heard a-patter. Sorry.

Intellectual = appealing to the intellect (intelligence).

Lack of intellectual oxygen = nobody was saying anything especially notable before I got here to "suck the oxygen out'. I never referred ty myself as intellectual, because I never referred to myself.

You are fond of talking of "translations into Idiot". Shame you don't keep your English - Idiot dictionary on your desk any more.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

By the way, Isabull/Beak/Godzilla/Kevin/Shiva has done another feminist sleight of hand on her way out. Unable to win an argument on its merits, she contented herself with causing the rest of the participants to fight among themselves. She polarized people who coexisted in peaceful agreement before, and we fell for it.

Nice job, Shiva. It would have worked if I hadn't woken up.

I am completely content to lay down my sword, giving TK and whomever else a chance at a last rejoinder first. I hate to let that bitch win, and would rather take a couple of shots brfore resuming normal communications than to let her sink the dialog.

Go ahead. Have at it. Then, let's talk sense once more.

John U says:

Well done Ubangi,

You finaly found the correct spelling for oxygen.

TK didn't know so I can deduce neither of you had a scientific education.

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

We both spelled it the same way as you did throughout this thread.

Don't tell me, John, liberal arts?

TANAI KWAI says:

John U.,

That was the joke: intellectual oxigen.

Hate my posts, deride me in any way you like, but spelling is not my weak suit.

(...)

mossman says:

Tk,

"Mee," no, never heard of her. But going to the the Long Gun performances was around the same time I was trying to make a go of it with a good girl; you know, the kind that actually gets up in the morning at 7 am to go to her office job as an accountant. Our relationship lasted for almost three years. Bkk is a tough place to live and stay in a monogamous relationship. But I actually dragged her there to the show several times. You might have seen us; she was the one looking away in disgust when one of those sexy dancers' vulva was six inches away from my face!

mossman says:

Ubangime,

I guess what I would like to share with you is a phrase, something like "less is more." Sorry I can't be more specific.

You know, stop trying so hard. You're heart is in the right place but you react to every breath. Next time, before you hit the post button, get up and walk over to the refrigerator and drink a cool glass of water. Take a minute to get outside of your thoughts, then go back and re-read the post.

I've been there(my own worst enemy), but have never been so obviously caught as you are now...hanging on by a chaffed nylon line!

A friend of mine once said: "save your essence up." I think what she meant was not to rub myself off more than twice a week...instead of after every impulse I had. If you gonna do it more often, take more than two-three minutes!

Where is Ravi Shankar when we need him?
Where is Pat Paulsen?

TANAI KWAI says:

Ubangime,

Pixels of gold from Mossman. Before I started banging Chopper's mother I used to post with the same misguided zeal.

I now burn off the excess enthusiasm with Mrs. Harris and shall never second guess young Choppy's suggestions again.

(she bangs)

Jules says:

Mossman,

You took me back there to my days of youthful zeal in Long Gun. I still drool in my beer at the thought of those young spirited lovelies and theor athletic floor show.

I would grab a seat next to the stage and risk getting a stilletto in my face just to be up and close.
My favourite part of their act was when one would walk on the ceiling by swinging from pole to pole.

Friend of mine insists he took both ladies home one night and indulged in wild carnal acts for hours which played havoc with his back injury.

Ahhhhhh, the sweet thoughts.

Cog says:

Posted by Isabel II | July 20, 2004 03:52 PM
"I am not Shiva, Kevin, or any other poser. I am still who I say I am."

Your neophyte cyber-sleuth says...Isabel/Kevin could perhaps be employing the classic nom de guerre "double-bluff" strategy - "I know that you know that I know."

Pass the Aspirin...

Jules says:

Or perhaps a triple bluff and Kevin/Isabel never existed in the first place, just a clever use of Photoshop and cardboard cut-outs.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Shiva guess who says:

Or perhaps, maybe none of us exist, except for Tanai Kwai alone in a room with his imaginary friends and $50.

Goodbye Mr. Wizard.

(winky)

Ubangi Me, Ibangi U says:

OK, can we now go back to a reasonable discourse?

How bout them Yanks? Whoops, Yankees... er the baseball team...

How 'bout them Gunners?

Willem Van Amerongen says:

I am from Holland and have lived in Bangkok for some time now. I love thai girls not because they have pretty faces or are full of lies & boost my ego with false flattery but because of their young looking bodies and the way they are so easy! I find it very difficult however to have any respect for them so I just use them for sex.

Jules says:

Do you think they respect the man who is easy, a playboy and has no self respect such that they shag other mens' leftovers?

Jules says:

Black Jack,

Please enlighten what farang ladies in bangers has to do with Texas Hold Em?????????

JUHN CHAMBERS says:

AS RODNEY KING WOULD ASK: [FROM HIS JAIL CELL IN CALIFORNIA ] WHY CANT WE ALL JUST LEARN TO LIVE TOGEATHER?
JOHN G USA

waldo says:

guys guys guys, u are farting into the wind here - western women will never accept that things are different here in bkk. They can take there "up yours, my way or the highway" attitutes and shove them. We guys have an alternative, we don't have to put up with their bulldust, so most of us don't.

Osaka Attack says:

Guys, the way I see you can have your fun in Thailand. But there's no need to make these broad stroke, insulting comments about Western Women. You have your preferences like everyone, that's fine, but there's no need to "take revenge" on Western women and cut them all down. Western women are a diverse group of people, after all.

At the same time some Western girls need to watch who they flip out on. A lot of the time they start this argument by attacking the wrong person, who then gets annoyed and barks back.

VICIOUS CIRCLE

Fuck all this argument. I'm coming to Thailand next week to RELAX and HAVE FUN. Thai girls or Western girls (or one of each!), come ask me to dance.

TANAI KWAI says:

Of course there are beautiful farang girls. Just ran across this lass in the blue swimsuit (down and to the right).

http://www.misshawaiiantropic.com/posters.htm

(good Lord)

Prorogue says:

This chap seems to have invested some effort in the topic and backed it up with debatable theory.

Pro.

http://stuffthatisawesome.tripod.com/awesome/id14.html

Jules says:

His undersatnding of statistics is absolutely appalling.

However he does have a couple of pics of stunning young Asian ladies.

Research carried out internationally (as in I don't know who by) clearly shows that a compilation of facial images of a large random sample of the population produces a homely but not unpleasant face. This is the mean face (statistically speaking).

Asian ladies tend to be "hotter" because of genetics and diet. A Thai lady may well have high cheekbones, round eyes, pert breasts and an upright walk. Her diet may well consist of rice, vegetables, fish, chicken and sweet drinks. However her diet may not be overwhelming in calories such that she keeps a slim physique.

Hence a mean Thai lady, well made up, manicured and coiffured (as Thai ladies like to be) and well dressed will be "Hotter" than a mean farang who is, well, a minger.

Weatherman says:

Jules

The compilation of facial images produced not a homely face but a beautiful one. The further an individual varies from the average, the uglier he or she appears to be (too tall, small, fat, big-nosed etc). Facial asymmetry is also perceived as ugly.

Greg says:

Hmmm. Hmmmm.

Prorogue says:
This chap seems to have invested some effort in the topic and backed it up with debatable theory.
http://stuffthatisawesome.tripod.com/awesome/id14.html

and that very funny website http://stuffthatisawesome.tripod.com/awesome/ is written with a writing style supiciously similar to Dean's. A style I had never before come across.

Dean=Prorogue?

THE GENTLEMAN SCAMP says:

Because there all fat fucks them farang slags.

Ladyboys are the way to go .

Greg says:

I've just been wasting my time reading forum posts and Prorogue/Dean's website.

Dean is fucking awesome!!!

Scotgirl says:

Stop the madness!

I am a girl from the UK who has been travelling around Thailand for a month. I have seen some stunning Thai girls. I have also seen some gorgeous western girls. But hey - guess what? The reverse is also true for both.

Not all western women are bossy, masculine, whiny, fat assed and ugly.

Not all Thai girls are subservient, feminine, money grabbing, beautiful or prostitutes.

I've met western men AND women who prefer to date Thais. That's fair enough - whatever rings your bell I say. Why do people get wound up about about what goes on in the privacy of people's rooms, or whether any sort of monetary exchange is or isn't involved?

Why are the guys on this thread so angry at western women? And equally girls, why do you get so wound up at seeing western men with Thai girls? You're in Thailand - chill out.

Guys - Focusing on how much you hate western women, rather than enjoying the Thai honey on your arm is kind of like saying you find red heads really attractive, and then spending all of your time obsessing over how ugly you think brunettes are. Doesn't make sense does it? Why not just enjoy what you enjoy and stop expelling so much negative energy?

Girls - if you see a cute guy and he's with a Thai girl, then get over it. White girls obviously aren't his thing - there's not much you can do about it, is there?

It's time we stopped getting pissed off about what goes on in the privacy of other peoples bungalows. Relax folks and order another mango shake!

Niall says:

Scotsgirl,

We get angry because we are angry. I can guarantee that most of the men posting the hate messages are (like me) 40ish and divorced.

We married a lovely western women about 10 years ago and now finally we have got rid of the whiny demanding ugly fat bitch but not before the judge made us give the bitch half of everything we own (I got divorced 2 years ago NOW it will be half of everything we own or EVER WILL OWN thank your Mrs Parlour) even though we did all the work and earned all the money whilst the fat bitch sat on the couch and slagged us off.

Then we go off to work where women are promoted over our heads even though we are better at the job plus every fucking advert shows a clever smart woman and a brainless male semi-simian. Women have incontrovertably taken over the western world, men in the west are absolutely slaves to women there now and they STILL whine that we are oppressing them.

WE ARE ANGRY. Get it!

Yes you are right this has nothing to do with Thailand and when in Thailand we should just chill out and forget it and that is what I try to do.

However that never seems to stop some sneery falang bitch making comments about me and my lovely Thai girlfriend but boy does she look shocked when I give it to her with both barrels.

You seem to hae the right attitude and that's good, but this thread is directed at sneering falang bitches who all say the same thing. We are 'pathetic ugly losers who can't get a date in the west and we all have small penises to boot'. Fine, now leave us alone. 'Oh another think I don't want you'. Fine OK now go away and leave me alone with my lovely Thai girlfriend. 'Oh another thing your not allowed to date Thais you've got to date real (fat unpleasant western) women'. NO! LEAVE ME ALONE!

That's it in a nutshell we have made our choices and now just want to be left alone and if we are so bad surely that's what western women would do?

Ah. That feels better.

Willem Van Amerongen says:

scotgirl is right & a voice of reason!
Maybe some of these guys and girls are so angry because they have been burnt by this issue. I myslef think most o fthem will end up back in the UK/States with western women and they deep down know that ...after all you can get bored of th endless jokes about sex and bad english. I will enjoy my time with thais here but I wont be tkaing one back home with me as it willl be too much social pressure on me.. and realistically I can't for the sake of my mental health stay here for 30 years!!

Niall says:

Well I am planning to move to Asia for good quite soon. I have experience of others who have moved to LOS and also Phillipines.

They divide in to three classes:

1. Really really English and really want to move to Southwold on Bangkok. They last a very short time and then leave never to go back and tend to the 'all Thais are thieving bastards' line. Essentially (as far as I can work out) what they really wanted to move to was colonial period India.

2. Those who fit right in, never return to UK even for a visa run and live and die in Asia and have a Buddist funeral. Wild horses would not drag them back to the west.

3. Those who move there, like it but hark for a dream of England that no longer exists. Lemon squash on the village green in high summer, the smell of the mown grass, the smack of leather on willow, that sort of thing. They move back to England after about 2 years in Asia and then are so shell shocked they are practically on the first plane back. Strangely this cycle seems to repeat itself ever 2 years.

For those in category 3 I recommend regular reading of this excellent website. www.chavtowns.co.uk. WIKKED INNIT!

I am hoping I will be a category 2.

mr peter says:

'Not all western women are bossy, masculine, whiny, fat assed and ugly'.-

Bollocks! they are all at least one of these, why else do you think we spend thousands of quid going to LOS as often as we can? No, not because we cannot get a girlfriend here but because we don't want one that we could end up with in the UK. Of course some blokes seem to love wobble arsed naggers with the taste and manners of a buiders mate-but not for me-peter

John U says:

Niall,

I know I'm an ignorant bastard but wtf is a chavtown or maybe chaver?

Never heard of either.

My sheltered existence I suppose.

Niall says:

John U,

If you believe in a god thank him/her/it that you don't know what a chav is.

A field guise to these sub-humans is available at:

www.chavscum.co.uk

There are many reasons why I am trying to leave UK and this is one of the major ones!

Jules says:

Niall,

Woooah. Hold your horses mate.

That you still live in UK is amazing given your feelings for 54% of your neighbours, give or take a few. I just hope that you find Thailand better as in many respects it is a lot more frustrating to live here than in the West.

I am not 40 and divorced from a Western woman and I guess a lot of other posters are the same. I do not hate Western women because I have been burned by the divorce, I do not have comments made to me by Western women about my Asian better half.

Nor do I chill in Thailand in my bungalow with a mango shake.

These are all generalities about posters here that are just not true IMHO.

We are not all abused and damaged but the majority of posters here have a concensus view of Western women. That they are large, ungainly, opinionated, loud, boorish and lacking in feminine grace and beauty.

Which is by and large the case. My trips to UK over the years have become quite unpleasant.

I wish you the best of luck with your move but do not burn your boats completely, it is not easy to make a go of life here.

waldo says:

bang on the nail scotsgirl -- and naill. Here's the funny thing -- u see a farang woman seething when she sees some oldish, overweightish bloke with a young thai honey --- why exactly? Ask her to explain. Ask her if age should be a bar to relationships -- and she'll say no. Ask her if looks should be a bar -- anyone ugly should not be seen in the presence of beauty, fat slapper sshould forget about dancing in the moonlight with george clooney -- and she'll say no. Ask her then if its a race thing, white guys should keep themselves for white women, and she'll defintiey say no. Finally ask her what the fuck it has do do with her what some other people do behind closed doors, and she won't have an answer --- but she'll still seeethe.

waldo says:

bang on the nail scotsgirl -- and naill. Here's the funny thing -- u see a farang woman seething when she sees some oldish, overweightish bloke with a young thai honey --- why exactly? Ask her to explain. Ask her if age should be a bar to relationships -- and she'll say no. Ask her if looks should be a bar -- anyone ugly should not be seen in the presence of beauty, fat slapper sshould forget about dancing in the moonlight with george clooney -- and she'll say no. Ask her then if its a race thing, white guys should keep themselves for white women, and she'll defintiey say no. Finally ask her what the fuck it has do do with her what some other people do behind closed doors, and she won't have an answer --- but she'll still seeethe.

waldo says:

so god i had to say it twice

Anonymous says:

imagine if i seethed every time I say a white girl with, say, a black man or another woman -- I'd be considered a throwback and a loser, and quickly asked exactly what my problem was and what business it was of mine

Greg says:

Well said Waldo.

Niall says:

Ere... who said I was overweight? Over 40 and balding certainly but whippet like...

Anonymous says:

Here's the funny thing -- u see a farang woman seething when she sees some oldish, whippet like bloke with a young thai honey --- why exactly?

Satisfy you now Niall? Being a whippet like George Clooney will double the seething no doubt.

Oh if looks could kill. heee eheeeh eheeeee

Niall says:

Anonymous,

Leave the yah bah alone. Its clearly melting what little brain you have.

Jule says:

A good point from Anonymous, don't you think Niall?

That it is not a question of being fat or whippet like but just the fact that you are dating a non farang?

Anon's brain may be of cheese but a good point.

waldo says:

another factor --- if we guys with our thai girlfriends are so fat, ugly, objectionable, sexist etc etc etc -- why should farang women give a flying fuck what we are up to. they should just be grateful

waldo says:

actually the young farang women are getting a foretaste of what their mothers and older sisters face -- in thailand they are not seen as sexually worth it, and it goves them the deep shits

waldo says:

Lets face it -- farang women have been mistreated for years, the cards were firmly stacked against them .... so they grew bitter, and angry, and demanded not parity, not a place at the table, but to have everything done their way. Here in thailand we have a rare, almost unique opportunity tio say fuckit, and fuck off.
And of course, now the shoe is more or less on the other foot, it is we men who grow bitter, and mutter to ourselves and howl at the moon

Greg says:

Eggcellent social commentary, Waldo.

I could not agree more. Feminism is the bees cancerous knees that have infected all sorts of previously sexual regions.

An ex brother in law handed me a few men's group books. Sensitive masculinity stuff. Noam Chomsky deconstructive analisys of the paradigm kind of stuff, but with the emphasis on how cool gus are and how we have forgetten about it.

Some women are as full of their collective culture as Afghan men are of theirs. It's as sad as the average state of human cognitive development. Its as pathetic as democracy is to environmentalism.

Ok, David, I'm rambling. Delete me again.

YABS says:

I think it someways it boils down to the grass is always greener. thailand is sO different from the west and women so more available that its hard
not to fall in love with it, but joking aside
is it real life? I mean if you can't get laid in europe why should it be different elsewhere.
I'm almost getting bored with how easy it is with most thai women.
I'm almost craving a bit of arrogant confident white flesh just to prove i can get some 'real' pussy as a lot of people who havn't been to thailand refer to it as.
If truth beknown you have to be a man to get a good looking falang. You have to be assertive and have personality.
a lot of thai women lets face it will go with anything with a wallet
I think now after 3 years I need an assertive aggrassive white bitch
so whip me baby.
if you are a falang in bangkok and fancy
meeting a good looking 29 year old in good shape
email me at
scrilak@yahoo.co.uk
one thing is for sure though most falang ladies look fat and out of shape comapered to thai ladies
so if you've got a fat arse I'm not interested

Longtime Observer says:

The farang birds are seeting because we won't stay home and do things their way. It's simple primate psychology for the female homo sapiens to want a cadre of males competing for the opportunity to mate with her.

The farang birds are now taught to intellectually resent the very thing they innately most crave; to be treated like a sex object. Tough shit.

Alan says:

scotsgirl, your apparent even-handedness is just more feminist doublethink. You can't even understand why western men might be angry at western women?

You need to walk a mile in a western man's shoes:-

1. Anti-father divorce laws

2. Western media looking down on men as pathetic babies whereas women are the intelligent, in-control ubercool beings

3. one-way chivalry despite the fact that we're supposed to be living in an age of equality

4. false rape/domestic violence accusations. A woman calls out the police and they believe her everyword without any evidence. Guy ends up in the slammer. This tactic is also used for "lingering doubt" whereby a father can be denied total access to his children simply because his wife SAYS he is violent.

4b. Women are just as violent as men, but this fact is hidden by biased media coverage. When a man is beaten by his wife, the police need a lot of convincing, even with physical evidence. It's more than likely to be reported as "self-defence" if the man has scars and the woman does not. The most likely child-abuser is the mother, but what do we hear in the media? We hear all the scare stories of "stranger-danger" in terms of child-molestation. Never mind the number one danger to a child is its own mother. It just peddles the myths that men are violent/nasty etc.

5. Fathers denied access to their kids because the mother of his children stops him. The law does nothing.

6. (and this point is aesthetic and simply my subjective opinion) - western women are by-and-large charmless creatures. They are increasingly aggressive and rude. And obesity is an issue - seriously, most men want to copulate with another woman who is lighter than them.

7. Western-woman-as-eternal-victim, western-man-as-eternal-oppressor. I hate this one the most - everyday I hear some woman moaning about how she met a friend of a friend who has a sister who was abused when she was a child by a NASTY MAN. While this kind of incident is sick and awful and I don't wish any kind of sexual/mental/physical abuse on any human being, western women love to wallow in how much of a victim they are, even by proxy - they identify with another female victim and then blame the entire male sex for all the wrong-doings of the world.

8. Finally, 40 years of feminism. Men have simply had enough.

So scotsgirl, do you NOW have some kind of clue as to why western men MIGHT feel angry towards western women?

I could love and forgive western women if they became more charming, took better care of their health and appearance, were simply KINDER, better mothers, better husbands, pro-family instead of pro-"me". Until these changes occur, men will vote with their......well, you know which part of the anatomy I'm think of.

billyjoe says:

Just wanted to respond to the title question and see what y'all thought:
Why do farang women hate thailand?

It is my opinion that BG-farang relationships display the same exchange of sex for money that farang women use to their advantage in their relationships. Are women who won't date someone on a teacher's salary any better than your average BG? If you're gonna be a prostitute at least be honest with yourself about it!

Honest John says:

Peace and love in Thailand to all

Feng Bao says:

I've observed the same phenomena of lonely and very bitter "gaijin" Western females in Japan - with the notable exception of svelte and agreable eastern europeans and russians. The bitter ones are typically american and british. Ie., the lard butts.

"A great quote from a book I'm reading at the moment:

"You men all go gaga over these little girls here, and I got a theory about that. I think men who run after Asian women are really all bloody pedophiles at heart. My own observation is that western men who come to Asia are generally unsuccessful with western women and they are looking for harmless playthings who will feed their egos and make no demands. Essentially, they're looking for children."

Amen."

This simply reconfirms my observation that many Western women will try to find fault with Western men rather than look themselves in the mirror. An unkempt appearance, an ignorant and poor attitude - such as shown in the quote above, and rolls of fat are simply not that appealing compared to Eastern alternatives.

Also implicit in the quote is a not-too-subtle racism - that Asian women are inferior - showing a remarkable ignorance of Asian culture -topped off with a hatred of children and the family.

Greg says:

The 70's wasn't that long ago. Back then people were taught that ALL attitudes are culturally based, and therefore the motivated person ultimately had personal control to be educated and PC.

Nowadays we have information from many different scientific realms that what it is that is sexually attractive to us is not under conscious control. Much of it is hardwired. This is true for both sexes.

We prefer mates who remind us of our parent of the opposite sex. Who display symmetry and the golden mean in their features. Women are attracted to a man with nest building capability such as wealth and social power. Men are attracted to signs of femininity such as being smaller and child like features such as large eyes. At any age, a man will be sexually attracted to women of prime child bearing age. Women are less choosy about age for a partner, but will cuckold children outside of monogamy. The sperm of the man she's least interested in sexually will not be allowed in to her uterus as easily.

PC stuff about pedophilia and being immature for wanting slim girls is ignorant. Men want what we have no choice but to want.

Men and women are also attracted to other traits, including intelligence, emotional maturity, kindness, spiritual development such as deep empathy, etc. The fact of us all having bodies and primal neurologically hard wired responses and longings is not shallow. It is one level of who we are that we can love and embrace and include into the big picture of what is.

You ARE a commodity. Market yourself. Don't whine that the world doesn't acknowledge your beauty and greatness.

KDub says:

"It is my opinion that BG-farang relationships display the same exchange of sex for money that farang women use to their advantage in their relationships. Are women who won't date someone on a teacher's salary any better than your average BG? If you're gonna be a prostitute at least be honest with yourself about it! "

Exactly. I actually have more respect for bargirls than some western women. At least bargirls give you something for your money.

Greg says:

Speaking of cognitive dissonance, many women will openly profess to only be interested in a mate of means, even if they are not a woman of means. See what happens when you bring into the conversation the word "gold-digger".

Prorogue says:

Surely the last word on Farang woman! Hard to imagine this happening at all in the Kingdom:

http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html

Robert says:

I live in Paris France, middle aged, divorced, not bad looking. I have women friends here but I will never become their boyfriend because I feel they want to direct me. I am not a male supremacist but I hate beeing managed (what I should do, what I should think, etc.)

I have always been attracted to women with a good education, I have already been married to a good looking woman, older than me, a better job and better ressources. 'I had not the right to breathe without her permission', in French that means I was totally under her control. After a few yeard I insurged, there were terrific fights in order to know who is the head of the family and that ended by a divorce. She had plenty of assets : great looking, bright and so on but I could not stand being under full control, even if I felt attracted to her.

I have women friends with highter education, good looking but those women have a trend to command men, they often remind me of my ex. I will never enter casual sex with them, they live not far away, I am sure they would pester me after an affair and 'blackmail me' if I don't do what they wish. So, I keep just as friends, no more.

I will come to Asia for vacations. I don't want to pay for a night stand, I find prostitution degrading for the man who has to pay for affection (I am sure I am still able to seduce a girl for free) and for the girl who accepts to have sex with a man she does not like in exchange of money. You can find young asian girls in Paris for 30 Ä no use to go to Asia, I will never use them as I wrote earlier.

If, when on vacation in Asia, I find a nice girl, good looking, educated and raised to RESPECT MEN I would like to bring her back to Paris for a steady relationship. Do you think I have a chance to meet such a girl in Asia ?

Robert

Dana says:

I'd like to be open and generous and loving and male bonding supportive in response but first you've got to grow up and get over the money thing. Do you manufacture cars bit by bit or do you buy them? Do you bake your own bread including growing the wheat or do you buy your bread? Do you purchase municipal water or do you take a pail to the nearest pond or river and then carry the water home? Seem silly? Well, there is no difference between paying for these goods and services that benefit you practically and emotionally and paying for the attentions of women that are going to benefit you practically and emotionally. Get over it. Just pay and play. Did you actually think something of value would be given to you for free? Get over it. Pay to play or sit at home and make entries in your diary about what a handsome man you are and about what a super competant love you are but unfortunately you will be going to bed alone again. Oh I forgot, you are not alone, you get to sleep with your money. Get over it. You are not special. Get out your wallet and smile.

Greg says:

Dana:

I think it's a universal truth that love makes sex feel better.

Paying for short term relationships is less likely to generate the intimacy that fosters loving sex.

Some of us prefer to take the time to get what we really want, instead of seeking only short term substitutes.

Bow Wow Wow says:

"Some of us prefer to take the time to get what we really want".

It's called "stalking the prey".

Dana says:

To find a diamond you have to sift a lot of sand. Since the silly diamonds are kinda hiding like and don't really just shout out at you that means you have to sift even more sand. To sift the required amount of sand in the years you have left you have to get efficient. That means you have to throw some of the baggage off the train. Things like irrelevant morals and ethics and rules for living and expectant behavior from others that was fed to you by the love disappointed and sex starved back in your little village with its little church. Grow up. And start sifting sand.

Mike T says:

But surely you then will reclassify what is a diamond because you have so little time and so much sand to shift. How long before you are seizing on lumps of coal yelling, "Give her time, give her time"?

Dean says:

As an amateur anthropologist, I have observed that a lot of Thai people, as do many other people who are not European, see Europeans as technocratic colonizers, or just plain technocrats.

But the European peoples, as all peoples, the Chinese, the East Indian, the Mexican, the Jewish, etc. etc. etc. all came from Shamanistic traditions that predated Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism.

Europeans visiting Thailand is people of one shamanistic tradition visiting one another. In the old Shaman days, every country in the world were at more or less the same state of technological development. Then there was a time when only a few countries had technology. Now, the World is different in terms how cultures interact with one another now that more or less everybody has the same kind of technological development.

Dean

KEVIN says:

Dear FARANG GIRLS IN ASIA,

NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND OR HUSBAND,
"NOT" YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Farang women who write to this site, and get so upset that they are INVISIBLE in Thailand, need
to take a Good, Hard Look at themselves.

Where do you get off, coming to Asia and telling Western Men, who are obviously NOT your Boyfriend or Husband what to do?

So what if Western Men "prefer" a beautiful, thin, young, smiling Asian girlfriend. It is NOT your business. Grow up, get therapy or get OVER IT.
Even my own Mother agrees with the ALLURE of these GORGEOUS Thai and Indonesian Ladies.

It just shows how intrusive, nosy, overbearing and
ridiculous Western Women are, when the Western men have a choice other than somebody like them.

Quit talking about MONEY. There is no country in the world where the women don't like money.

And quit this silly argument that western Men
cannot find women like this back home.

There are no Women like this back home!!!
There are SO MANY beautiful, thin, young , smiling
SINGLE women in Asia, esp. in Thailand and Indonesia that we Western Men feel like we are in
HEAVEN. Let us be, attend to your life,
who asked you to come to Asia and tell us WHAT TO DO?

You must think you are in a Western Country
where the men are "desperate and completely subservient".

You better be GLAD there are no women like this back home, if there were, it would be the same story in all the Western Countries.

In Indoneisa and Thailand, I see so many White Women "stomping up and down the streets, snarling at every White Guy who has a beautiful, young, Asian Girlfriend".

In Indonesia, the Indonesian Girls in Bali told me "How lucky I was to have such a young,
beautiful Indonesian Girlfriend. They were Happy
for me. I take care of my Bali Girl and don't sleep
around.

Then the bigbodied Australian women would march down the street and STARE and GAWK at my lovely
,young Indo honey.

She asked me - WHY do White Girls come here and try to tell me what to do? I don't go to their countries and tell them what to do.

That is the PROBLEM with White Women AT HOME
AND ABROAD, They try to tell everybody what to do.

DO you know HOW MANY American Men would dump their wives in a heartbeat, if they didn't have to pay alimony? MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of them.

White Women cannot compete with Asian Girls
but they will rarely admit the cold, hard TRUTH!!!

Our Asian Girlfriends are NOT your business!!

Hope you will THINK ABOUT THIS!!!

KEVIN

AVID says:

Well Kevin,

I agree 100% buddy!

White elephants, stay in Farangland or stay out of sight.....

MAJIC says:

I have a beautiful young Thai girlfriend of long standing and often get the glares of disapproval on the streets from fat ugly domineering western woman.

A few months ago I heard that:a western woman here on holiday told a friend of mine "that at my age my girlfriend" Will leave me within 5 years"for a younger man.Well right or wrong this Feminazi has missed the point entirely, at least I will have had 5 years of happiness.instead of 5 years of Nagging,stress,power struggles,pressure,with an unappealing,overweight,too much make up,strutting,pushy,aggressive.Pumped up to eyeballs on HRT westerner.

So all you backpackers and westerners that come here on holiday having been the powerful controllers of men back in your own countries,go back home and tell the "Sisterhood of lies" that we are here with our lovely women because we have no appeal or desire for your Bullshit,your bodies, or want to listen to your struggle for equality any more. It was never about equality but as you all know the truth was a 40 year campain for total dominance of the male, wrapped up to make it look like you have all suffered so much.What a laugh.

In short you have all lOST THE PLOT BIG TIME.

David says:

I had to close this thread because it's way too long.

Here's a similar article with plenty of space for new comments.

http://www.mangosauce.com/archives/000257.html

Mandy says:

I am shocked ! I laughed with some of the comments and i even felt insulted and even as if i was not at my place in thailand for at least one second. I know why i get stared at by farang man now when i walk on soi cowboy !! :)

I guess i can call myself a " farang western young woman,canadian french(24 years old and not fat yet;)
I am living in Thailand and i love it,i do not hate it.Why would you think or feel that all there is to enjoy in thailand for a farang women is all about finding someone to get laid with or feeling sorry about themselves because they are alone in thailand.
Let me tell you why i love Thailand instead.
I love walking around and spending hours on my free times just to look at how amazing the handicrafted products by Thai people are.The paintings Wow...Decorating stuff stunning..
Here i can enjoy time to relax with massages,pedicure,manicure because it is afordable and reasonable to do so.I also learn new massage techniques and its fun and different !
I enjoy Thai food,I love my Thai classes ... my pilates classes...I love my getaways to the island and the nightlife sometimes as well.I love my job here...
Do you really think i hate Thailand because i see older man with beautiful young thai women? Or because i see beautiful young guys traveling here to have fun with thai girls... There is so much more than that to see! And to those with their sweetheart thai girls as you call them, i do believe that they can love you for other things than money even if you are old and feel ugly... Women do fall in love for other purposes than beauty and sexual appeal.Just treat her right and there is nothing wrong to it.
Have a great stay in the LOS and please keep smiling if you cross a western girl walking alone in thailand it might be me and i am a nice, polite, respectful young woman !

danielle says:

Oh my god I love this site!Heres a refreshing aproach to all of you out there! WHO CARES.Mind your own goddam bussiness, each to their own.I am a woman farang with two small kids living here in thailand with my farang husband.Yes I admit I would love to look the way alot of Thai women look, they are very beautiful.Yes I am pleasantly plump,after two wonderful kids.I guess I should go to the gym hey!My choice, my life and my husband loves me for who I am.We are best friends as well.He likes as he says "something to hold onto". As do alot of black guys!They call it "junk in the trunk".If all you guys out there couldnt get a women to your liking back "home", for whatever reason and came to Thailand for one. Well then all the power to you,but do you all have to harbour such mean spirits to western women.We have all been brought up to fight for our rights remember.Also its really whats inside that deserves someones respect.My father after a failed marriage to my mom found himself a phillipino wife when I was seventeen.At first I hated her I thought she olny wanted his money!As I grew older and more mature I realized,that my father was a hard man to live with,and my mom bitchy.Not to mention she loved olny his money in the end anyway.My fathers new wife does everything for him,and works too!She never spends his money because he spends it on her for being "such a good Wife".She is a very sweet natured women who I love and respect even if she married him for money!To all the farang chicks here, I see men looking your way longing for a white women to!I have heard alot of men say how they miss western women!Also If you girls care that much about what most of these men do here go home!TOO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE!!Being staight out mean is really unatractive whatever sex you are, to all races of humanity.

random wanderer says:

Having wandered here randomly I just want to ask: Why all the hatred toward each other? It just seems like a battle of men vs. women and some of you are so quick to judge. Wake up! There's so much more to life!! If you spend your time hating and being defensive you'll miss out. Obviously, I can't add anything of "value" to the conversation as I really don't get the premise here but it all looks so ugly and nonsensical to me. A mind rape on all accounts :(

Stevie667 says:

There is very little difference between Thai and Farang women. Farang women are more outspoken and blatant in the beginning of a relationship whilst Thais are perceived to be demure, but she'll be her true self after she's gotten to know your language or vice versa.

I can't completely fault farang women stereotyping a farang male and thai lady couple labelling them as 'sex tourist' and 'hooker' because that's how it is in many tourist infested parts of Thailand. I've seen my fair share young farang chaps with an oldish looking fat thai ladies on the back on a scooter in Samui and Phuket.

To all of you out there lashing your angst at farang women, I'd say we give them a break. Sure there are full blown bitches that crossed our paths back home years ago but there are also the ugliest and most carniving Thai sluts here as well.

daniel says:

stevie667

this is very true, but somehow it just seems a lot easier to cope with here on a tropical beach in phuket.

Gv says:

The relationship between farang men in Thailand with their Thai girlfriends is not so different then farang men and women back home in the west. It isn't just 'white' women, western women in general. I have had many girlfriends from all parts of the world and I can say from experience that American women, in particular, are the most greedy, petty, disrespectful, narcissistic creatures on this planet. I believe 'histrionic' is the all-encompassing term.

I consider myself to be in the 80-85th percentile in regards to physical attractiveness and income. Why do I mention income? Because it is such an integral part of the relationship between men and women in EVERY country. The goal of most women is to siphon away the most resources from their men while doing the least amount of work. My low opinion of western women, in particular, doesn't stem from any inability to 'get laid' or some particular disfunctional relationship in my past, but simply from my everyday interactions.

Western women compel their men through subterfuge, sexual denial, ridicule and belittlement to bring home ever larger quantities of money in a futile effort to feed their ravenous hunger for commercial goods which in turn serve their primary interest - self-aggrandisement. So is it any wonder that western men, whose morale is constantly under attack by these vociferous vampires, feel much happier in Thailand? In Thailand, at the VERY least, we are treated respectfully, and if the relationship is typical, i.e. trade sex/companionship for financial resources, at least the transaction is conducted with dignity and in honesty.

My relationships with Thai women have extended beyond the red-light districts and have included women of high social standing and education, women who have well paying jobs, women with master's degrees in engineering, business and arts. These women are the complete opposite of the western women I described above. If they do compel me to increase my productivity, it is through a nuturing and supportive attitude that actually improves my morale as well. In addition, they are interested not in acquiring vast quantities of sense-objects, but, possibly because of the social and religious context in which they are raised, have a greater understanding of the nature of true happiness. They do enjoy the material products of our modern world, but also know how to have fun with nothing at all. I just hope that the hideous machinations of western consumerism doesn't destroy their ideals. I am thankful everyday that, at least for a short time, I can live la dolce vita - Thai style. Sabai sabai.

Toni says:

These arguments are so funny. I guess all relationships between men and women are a battle and after the divorce, well, you must hate the enemy. I remember in my youth I went out with an Indonesian girl in London, I had just started working for a long forgotten investment bank, (Montagues- anyone?), and she was worth about US$80million give or take, it didn't matter too much we had some fun and she taught me a lot. One thing I remember is how much she took care of me I guess it was because she was the oldest girl with 9 sisters and 1 brother but also she seemed to feel it reflected badly on her if I was scruffy or unkempt. Another thing, she could cook a fantastic meal with practically nothing. I was 18 years old and I have loved Asian women ever since.

John says:

I agree, I have no idea what the white women around here are thinking! Fortunatly for most of the white women around here they seem to prefer the thug types hispanic and black........so it seems to me the EVERYBODY found a mate and is happy!
John

Johnny Tokyo says:

Gv
You said it clearly and you said it well.
There are some very happy men living quietly here with their Asian partners.
I count myself among them.

Dicer says:

Assumption number 3125:

" In Thailand, at the VERY least, we are treated respectfully" - Gv

Where do they come up with these from?

Jeff says:

This whole thread is quite funny. Traveling through SE Asia, the women are just so much better looking than western women its a joke. Within hours I was disgusted by nearly all the female farang I saw. Cambodian woman are the best though, not jaded like their thai counterparts, and often down for some payment free action if you are a nice and decent looking Barang.

Enigma says:

The first time I came to Thailand I saw so many beautiful women I felt like I was a kid in a candy store. I have only had 2 serious relationships in my life and both were asian (one chinese the other vietnamese). Although my friends and family would tell me I have a preference for Asian women, I'd always deny it and think that it was just coincidence.

But after meeting some really genuine Thai women (through work) I returned to the USA thinking that I probably won't be attracted to most women.

I live in Alabama of all places and already had problems finding most of the women attractive. (I'm originally from Europe and the culture shock is definitely something to deal with)

Although I will never say never, I think that I am hooked on the way Thai women look and act. I am talking about the sincere and genuine ones, the respectable ones.

They are beautiful inside out. The qualities of femininity, softness, hard working, high values and love are hard to find in the west.

It's just a preference of mine and I think a farang woman should not be mad at me for loving Thai women. I would be with a farang woman if she was soft, feminine, kind, hard working, slender, and ambitious. Just that I haven't seen that many.

All the best

Irish bloke says:

You saddos who disappear to the ends of the earth to pay someone to shag you is laugable. The thai's have a word for you OAKS and they hate oaks (even if they smile at you). Most of your mates back home (if you have any) also think your're sad bastards.

Hope some foxy ladette on E kick yer bollix in soon!

Scottish Bloke says:

You know Irish Bloke, I find myself in Ireland frequently, on business. Usually, I go to a club in the evening. I'm very handsome and well built, so I always attract a lot of female attention. I like the younger Irish girls - 18 years old is ideal. I find they like my Scottish accent and appreciate that Scots know how to please a woman, unlike the Irish. When I pick one, I take her back to my hotel. Give her a good seeing to. Every orifice. When I'm done, I kick her out. That's always fun, because they're not expecting it.

Now, I don't do this becuase I like Irish girls, particularly. No, I do it because I like to soil Irish girls who've just come of age. I try to do as many as I can. That way I can be satisfied that by the time they hook up with some Irish lad and get married, I'll know a good Scot has been there first.