Thailand's other missionary position

Lewis says:

Typical Christian values: bigotry, outgroup demonization and total cultural ignorance.

Andy says:

Its no big news that Western Civilisation took huge strides forward when we decided that maybe Rome and the Catholic church were better out of our classrooms; bedrooms; laboratories; and lives generally. The leaps and bounds made after separation of church - state that have made the Muslims jealous, and their attendant attempts to balance technology with bombs speak highly of vested Middle Age mindsets.

Alan Turner is a scamming fuckwit that should be bummed out of the kingdom with same precipient haste of that other American pervert.

Dana says:

Who does more damage in Thailand--the pedophiles or the Bible thumpers?

Wifey B says:

The Bible Pedos

The Pedo Thumpers

bangkokram says:

One trip to Thailand and this prick is an expert. I have read the whole transcript and can't believe the bollocks he is talking!

I feel that Mangosauce readers deserve the full un-edited Dysentery/banging Hooker story!

Mac says:

re: "... story about banging a hooker while struggling with the effects of dysentery"

It sounds as if your chum, like so many of our Christian friends, really didn't know if he was coming or going. But as we in the East know, Grasshopper, the answer is that he was doing both. >>

Mr Thaksin, bangkokchat.org says:

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."

Best bit of evidence against religion to come out of LOS's recently was the Monk caught humping that Soi Dog in the street.

Do they have Dog Barfines in LOS's ???

Thako.

maltesenosher says:

i've contacted the editor of this newspaper and he's agreed to let me write a 300 word letter to put the record straight (my dad is from the village mentioned and this helped to get the editor 'onside'). im preparing this now and any comments you would like included would be welcome. i do hope the paper doesn't research this site before i get my retalliation in. i've even contacted this guy through 'friends reunited' (i said i wanted to support his work!!). he's going to phone me when he's back in the uk at the weekend. hopefully i'll have an audio tape to put on 'youtube' with more of his wisdom. this guy is going to be teaching geography at one of northern irelands poshest schools in september!!

Kaltes says:

Ok so since there is one douchebag "missionary" going to thailand, all Christians are douchebags now? That is pretty good reasoning, kindof like the reasoning that since one sick pervert child killer decided to settle down in thailand, all the farang guys there must be sick pervert child killers.

The word you are looking for is HYPOCRITES. I am talking about what Im seeing in the comments, not the original post.

There are tons of Christians in the world who happen to love premarital sex, including with prostitutes in Thailand, who generally live normal lives, and never ask a single damned person if they've found Jesus. Like I've said before, prostitutes are cast in a good light in the Bible, for example in the Gospels and the siege of Jericho. The holy rollers are a pretty small, albeit loud, minority when you consider all Christians.

Andy B says:

You bring out "Mother" Theresa to show allegiance. She was a bigger c*nt than this as*hole Turner. Christopher Hitchen's book, "Missionary Position" would be a good starting point. Theresa was a christian hag hoisted on India to raise millions of dollars for converting those pagan Hindus.

philH says:

dunno Thako, but you can sure barfine some dogs.

Hugh Jarse says:

Seems these days "christian missionary" is the 3rd most sought after position - cumming after "english teacher" & "tsunami volunteer".

Bet young Alan Turd bats for the other team as well!

Paul Booth says:

Could you start message string about how dangerous Nana Plaza is at night and what are the chances of being drugged by dropping sleeping powder or sleeping liquid into your drink.

And why do hotel porters in the nana Plaza area assist the drugsters in their work. All the best Paul

Ian says:

What a silly little tit

sniffer says:

Kaltes, you're the kind of god-botherer I admire. Most of your lot seem for some reason to frown upon a lifetsyle of unbridled lust and instant gratification. Imagine if ol' Pope Benedict started advocating paying for nights of pleasure with a couple of pouty, silken-haired 20-year old Isaan nymphos as a way of following the lord's footsteps. My old parish church of King Herod's back in Wetwang, North Humberside would be full every week.
Keep up the good work, that man. Jesus surely loves you

scoob says:

As they say, who wants to go to heaven anyway since it will be full of Christians?

Better off in Hell were all your mates will be...

daniel says:

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."

well said 'thako'

ask any religious protagonist about the facts I.E. evolution vs god and the answer is always the same.

"put your trust in faith"

well from what i can see having faith is paramount to having a licence to kill, albiet in the name of god, allah, etc.

as for some monks ive met they can party harder than the rest of us and many live a very good modern life,
i.e. moblie phones, computers-internet, trashy thai television.....

i thought they were to abstain from a life of debaucherey and resingn themselves to the true calling.

"oh well maybe im wrong"!

thako said:

Best bit of evidence against religion to come out of LOS's recently was the Monk caught humping that Soi Dog in the street.

well well, i am vindicated after all....

not that that sort of thing only happens in thailand.

take note.........

"Now in darkness world stops turning,

Ashes where the bodies burning

No more War Pigs have the power,

And as God has struck the hour

Day of judgement, God is calling

On their knees the war pigs crawling,

Begging mercies for their sins

Satan, laughing, spreads his wings

Oh Lord Yeah!"

Glenzo says:

I have to say that despite what it looks, I think that your analysis is a little lacking and therefore your Christian bashing is a little unfair.

First, the newpaper that printed the article is not the venerable Bangkok Post or the New York Times but a local weekly in Ireland serving County Down.

So a few thoughts that come to mind. First is that the article was constructed for local consumption, probably with the idea to raise funds for planned aid. Sometimes, we get these kind of things said but there is no damage intended.

The second thought is that maybe the guy was somewhat misquoted. It is possible particularly since I have been misquoted many many times, sometimes frightfully so.

The third thought is that maybe there is some truth to what he says. Maybe its not politically correct, but each society has it taboos. I am no expert in Thailand but I seem to recall that AIDS patients a few years back were outcasts and this may have changed, but I don't know.

I enjoy reading your material very much and sometimes I link and write about some of your stuff.

http://madjaymon.blogspot.com/

amy says:

Wow! Don't be a hater. Mother Teresa was a lover in the good sense of the word--and no she didn't attempt to convert Hindus (do a little research before you speak)!

As a Christian, it is hard to always view missionaries in a good light, but there are lots of people who are doing good work b/c of their faith in the Christian god. And I want to recognizethat Buddhists are doing equally good in the world too!!

I suggest we learn from one another. If only we loved and respected one another more, which can include criticism. Respect women, prostitute or not. Take a moment to find out one another's story before we quickly lash out or generalize them.

Brian says:

I read your article, the newspaper article, and researched the charities mentioned, what can I say I’m at a loose end! So on taking all evidence on board, Internet and newspaper evidence, reliable or as unreliable as it is I have drawn a few conclusions and come up wit some questions.

Basically I reckon this guy turner isn’t a bad lad, yeah I can see in the newspaper article he has made some fairly rash comments, but as was mentioned before these may be misquotations, misunderstandings on behalf of the newspaper, or indeed misunderstandings on the behalf of turner. He says he has been in Thailand before, and maybe his experience was that he met individuals who had been rejected by their families, this is possible in any society! On the Siam care web site they happen to mention the caring and close knit relationships of the Thai family unit, check out...

http://www.siamcare.org/html/mukdahan.html

They seem pretty straightforward and don't look to be trying to beat people with Bibles.

In the section about the car you make reference to missionaries cruising in luxury, and that 'Turner then pitches for HIS car' surely the report only says he is going out for 4 weeks? These organisations organise teams to come out to help with projects, such as boiling a school or whatever during the summer months and then the rest of the year they have permanent staff that liase with locals, so we have no idea of what turner has been asked to raise, maybe someone in Thailand does want I trendy new car, but turner has probably just been told how much they need! Admittedly I have no idea of car prices in Thailand, (I guess I could look it up at already I feel I’ve put to much effort in) I just wonder if the car he is raising money for needs to be kitted out with medical equipment as the charity seems to do some medical work, could this increase the price? And not knowing about the landscape myself, could they be in need of a 4x4 for reaching rural areas?

As for tear fund, I know people who have gone on these teams who aren't Christian, but who went for the humanitarian side of it, and they came back after their month and sometimes 6week trips full of passion for the communities they have helped, these charities do a good work, and yes as in all walks of life you are probably going to get a few individuals taking advantage of the system I don't feel turner is one of them. In the article the reporter mentions some of the other places he has been for humanitarian aid, and to do these trips people have to raise fairly substantial amounts of money and give up their holidays.

So I hope that in these days of scepticism that the article to be submitted to his local paper by maltesenosher doesn't damage the local communities' willingness to give to other charities as well as the two mentioned.

I just read over what I typed quickly there, and I’m not out to defend this individual as I can only get an idea of who he is through the newspaper article, and I condemn the generalised comments made about the Buddhist families whether from Turner or not; but I am just intending to put forward a global perspective on the issue and the damage to the local charity groups and future fund raising in his area.

WILLIAM says:

YOUR WEBSITE PROMOTES PROSTITUTION AND THE SPREAD OF AIDS.YOUNG TURNER IS DOING HIS BIT TO IMPROVE THE SUFFERING OF THE SICK,THE SICK FROM AIDS WHICH YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST TO INCREASE

Dick Renegade says:

Nice use of caps there WILLIAM. It really helps to drive the point home. It is now clear to me that the whole purpose of MangoSaunce.com to give Western men AIDS. I wonder why I didn't figure that out before.

BTW, what do you have against prostitutes? A job is a job regardless of whether it be a blue collar job, white collar job, hand job, or blow job. I think Thai women deserve and applause for service they provide the Western community. There are a lot of guys out there that need to get laid and I applaud Thai women everywhere for stepping up to help.

spasmolator says:

hello board, not so sure about williams view, hardcore, havent seen to much promotion of aids on the site. but prob less sure about dick renegades view!

cant help but think that of the prostitutes could earn the same money doin bar work or other public sector jobs that they wouldn't even consider bein violated by countless men; some decent enough but others not so.

i think amy, brian an glenzo add a more balance view. fair point about doin damage to fund raisin.

bangkokram says:

Wow WILLIAM, what an angry person you are!

Whatever Mr. Turners intentions are, he cannot be excused for the utter, stupidity, ignorance and arrogance he utters in the newspaper column above.

Please point out any part of this website that encourages the spread of HIV/Aids. I've been reading it for ages and have still too find any reference to deliberately spreading HIV/Aids. Maybe if the largest christian religion would allow the use of condoms, then the HIV/Aids monster will start too be tamed.

WILLIAM says:

I CAN ONLY SHOUT AS I TOO AM A MEMBER OF THE 'MOAN PRESBETERIAN CHURCH' (THIS IS NOT THE FREE ONE OF 'DR'(£2.50 FROM BILLY-BOB JONES UNIVERSITY) 'REV' GENERAL OF THE UVF/UFF IAN PAISLEY BUT THE ONE YE HAVE TO PAY FOR). HOWEVER IAN HAS TAUGHT US TO SHOUT FOR THE LORD, AND I'VE BEEN SHOUTING ALL MY LIFE AND I DONT INTEND TO STOP FOR A BUNCH OF PAPIST BUDDHISTS, AND IF I COULD MARCH ON YOUR SITE WITH MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE 'LAUREL AND HARDY FAN CLUB' (BOWLER HATS OPTIONAL BUT PREFERRED) WE WOULD BE MARCHING DOWN THAT BANGKOK VERSION OF THE GARVACHY RD (TURN LEFT AT SODDOM AND GOMMORAH ST) 'PATPONG COWBOY STREET'. ALAN TURNER IS THE SERVANT OF THE LORD AND MIGHTY IS HIS ATLAS; THE TRUE BIBLE FOR GEOGRAPHY TEACHERS (OK HIS COMPASS IS NOT UP TO MUCH BUT THE LORD SAID' FIND YE YOUR OWN COMPASS, DON'T KEEP BUGGING ME) AND ALAN GOT HIS ON EBAY.

maltesenosher says:

My colleague in England who forwarded the original article to me has received an email from the editor of the 'mourne observer' stating that the article was written and submitted by Turner; the paper tidied up his punctuation; and the photo was taken by their 'snapper'.

The editor went on to say that he hoped that 'tearfund' (who have apologised "for the offence this has caused" and are 'investigating') is not going to try to blame the paper.

My colleague, Hugh, is getting his letter published this week, along with a couple of others from a thailand-uk website. Interestingly the paper also plan to publish a letter from Turner 'clarifying his position'; talk about getting your retaliation in first. the editor may also be making some observations.

The editor will take the unusual step (letters page not normally on the website) of putting this on their website, on Thursday pm (Ireland time). http://www.mourneobserver.com/.

Alan, it turns out, reads 'mango sauce' and this prompted him to write his letter. Incidentally Alan has a friend in 'mourne' called William (who writes, and promotes his christian beliefs, on another Thai site. The rumour is that his wife is a Thai convert to christianity; one of the many...oops i mean one of the several)..surely a coincidence!!!

Finally it is 'just' a local paper, but one that is read and followed by the many Irish and scottish-irish (the 'tribe' to which turner and 'William' belong...bit like the issan/lao community except in issan they integrated into the country and didn't attempt to rule Thailand, well not much!) in Canada, America and the rest of the world.

Dick Renegade says:

What is WILLIAM talking about? He lost me when he said he had to pay to go to church. Then there is something there about him Gavarchy'ing his bible. Is that code for something?

Here's my question: How does a zealot like WILLIAM end up reading a site that he claims 'promotes AIDS and prostitution'?

PADDY says:

WILLIAM WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT?
NO WILLIAM HAS WALKED DOWN THE GARVACHY ROAD FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

Dick Renegade says:

GARVARCHY ROAD? It sound like the type of place where I could find a lot of moon-faced Katoeys.

George says:

Anybody out there hear of a Tesco manager named Nasty Nigel? His mother is looking for him and believes that he may be in Thailand associating with bar girls and that perhaps some deviant people are calling him Nasty Nigel.

Tim says:

Maybe Nasty Nigel is in the the sewer vortex with fellow unsavoury characters, the sweaty pervs, the dumb dropouts, the whore addicts.

When your loved one suddenly leaves unannounced for the land of slimes ask yourself this: has his episodic madness suddenly peaked in the past few weeks. Once in bkk consult the tuk-tuk drivers around the Soi Zero area who double as PIs. Maybe he's in that shop watching naked Esan girls jump through hoops for 20 baht or perhaps betting on that Rachada sport: soi dogs randomly raping each other. It all seems rather dull for those in the vortex.

maltesenosher says:

the punchline!!!

http://tinyurl.com/gpe6e

Apparently the editor just published a 'pr' piece from Turner;not uncommon in many newspapers.

Turner writes that "i was quoted as saying...." as if he can deflect the blame onto the newspaper.

As you will see, my colleague Hugh asked if the 'young geography teacher' would apologise..clearly the answer is 'no'....('ulster says no, no, no!!!!)

we will be taking up a collection to buy this geography teacher a new atlas; one which shows the difference between the North, the north east, the central plains, and the south of Thailand. any contributions welcome. please do not google the school he will be teaching at in September. i'm sure they would not welcome emails pointing out that their new geography teacher can't find his arse with both hands.

malto nosher

Big Picture says:

Having read through all the messages and given some of the less than charitable exchanges since the original post, it strikes me the only person who seems to come out of all this with any sort of credit is the editor of the Irish newspaper that printed the story in the first place.
He/she seems to have accepted without question that the language in Turner's original submission to his/ her paper was inappropriate and that redress was necessary. How many newspapers do you know are like that?
He/ she also appears to have conducted personal email exchanges with complainants and now has published their views in the paper and on its website even though this all happened back in June. How many newspapers do you know would do that?
Is it that surprising that Turner sought to reply in his local paper knowing what was being said about him in Mango Sauce. On that matter, do you really think he reads MS or might it just be possible that Tearfund heard about it and warned him what was happening and suggested he do something about it?
Considering the paper published three letters and concluded with Turner's comments, it could hardly be called "PR." Strikes me as being an editor doing his/ her job properly.
Any chance there might be an editorial vacancy at the London Daily Mail he/ she could apply for.

Sam Chapman says:

Alan Turner should look take a closerr look at some of the activites of his Christian collegues before spouting on about the morals of others. He sounds like the missionaries of Victorian times, telling everyone else how they should lead their lives whilst on the sly, b**ger**g the Choir boys. As for his need for a car, may I suggest someone writes to this Irish newspaper and offers him a brace of TukTuks which will enable him and his fellow bible- bashers to roam around Thailand.
If ever I read an article which shows up the hypocricy of the Christian religion, this is a pretty prime example. If you want people to respect you, one should live by the standards of the population you live within, not above it. Christ lived by these standards, so why shouldn't he?

phil says:

I dont know where you can buy a NEW car in thailand for 3000 stg, maybe a 2/3 rd hand toyota corolla, 10 yrs old.As far as taking care of AIDS victims, perhaps he should have a word with father joe maier, a REAL saint, who has lived here for 40 yrs and is still the number 1 where it comes to charitable giving.