My wife is a minger. Should I run away to Thailand?

Ben Hobbs says:

Fucking Hilarious,

Great Site!

Ben

sharon says:

Very true! Wake up guys! Thailand is NOT a paradise!

Somchai says:

Sharon - DtingDtong - it's sarcasm and has NOTHING to do woth the truth! You Western bitches just wish it was... HA HA HA HA HA LOL Thailand is Paradise on earth for MEN!!!

ubba cool jen says:

u r sooooooo ubba coooolllllll
and fit!!!!!!!!!!!!
even if your husband dosnt love u i do!!!!!!!

Straycat says:

55555555! :-)

T.J says:

Hey Sharon many a true word spoken in jest.

steve says:

Although it is true that men are indeed screwed over by these thai women, you seem to be looking at this situation from only 1 side of the coin, infact a very cinical 1 sided view.
Me myself can not tolerate the fakeness of places such as patpong, sukhimvit etc with men of 60+ walking around with gorgeous 18 yr old thai girls on there arms but if you go to these places you deserve all the bad luck you are getting. If a old man of 60+ with a fat gut and a receeding hairline believes a girl who is young enough to be his grand daughter actually finds him attractive then he does deserve everything he gets.
And the lengths some of these men go to find this kind of treatment, i mean dancing in a nightclub to m and m, this is exactly the kinda of music that they were telling there kids to turn down or off because it is a noisy racket.
So my point is go to the fucking right places, then maybe you wont loose everything you have.
yours sincerely, steve.

tonychang says:

Whats wrong with dancing to m and m?

The General says:

For fucks sake Steve.

M & M??? Christ!!! Next he'll be listening to the Betals or kween.

Do a little research before posting, this way you won't look like a dickhead.

I'm 23, and when I walk down Sukhumvit Rd and see a really old bloke with an 18 year old girl I think he's a legend. Who the hell said anything about the girls finding them attractive? I think even the biggest dipshit realises that the girls are only in it for the money, but the men are living the dream.

To wish badluck on the blokes who walk down Patpong or Sukhumvit is bullshit. Go back to the rock you were hiding under with your Thai wife (That probably wouldn't even look twice at you in your own country).

gary says:

yeah nice reply general , i am not an old duffer but it jus puts a smile on my face and i have a little giggly when i do see the old boys with young cuties , good luck to them all !! duck tape and viagra are the man's 2 greatest inventions !! hoooraayyy

wayne says:

i,ve been to thailand atleast 30 times, and i assure you readers it is a paradise, if i had the money i would settle down on the coast as it is everything a man has dreamed about. beautiful beaches lined with coconut trees, fantastic weather and of cause beuitiful women. It depends on your taste, My wife is thai and i have never looked back ever since we were married 20yrs ago. lots of luck readers, A dream can become real if you let it, You only live once so enjoy your stay where ever you are. MAD ABOUT THAILAND.

TANAI KWAI says:

I am curious about a certain feature of the "dream." It seems to me that unless one has a Thai wife or girlfriend who will look the other way when her Farang man decides to "come home late smelling of soap" then one might as well be in Farangland, coconuts notwithstanding.

As Farang women love to say, many Thai women are increasingly less inclined to put up with shenanigans. I've struck my own balance with my girlfriend (we sort this out on a case-by-case basis -- she enjoys women and has become insured to occasional bullshitting on my part) but wonder about the experience of others.(?)

(...)

TANAI KWAI says:

Sorry -- "insured" should read "inured."

Happy Joey says:

True as it is Thai women especialy bar girls are out to get whatthey can from Farangs most farangs know that but boy do we get agood time from them where as farang women want as much as they can get from a man with out much of a return english women seem to be blessed with eternal headaches and just do not know how to treat a guy in u.k sexis still taboo there are two kinds of sex free sex and sex you pay for. Believe me sex you pay for is alot cheaper in my opinion the only honest women are hookers
F.T.P

jas says:

i have been to thailand 5 times now and fuck what a place. its a place where you relax drink and fuck any thing you want in any hole with no hang ups that you get from round eyes

John Parry says:

Rather go to Thailand than stay in the US and have to fuck anything on www.amiaminger.com

JR says:

Yes perpetuate the evil thai boyfriend steretype while you can. Thai prostitutes are with you for your wonderful qualities and not the money. (sarcasm)

dan says:

american women are worthless, i cant understand why any american man in his right mind would even consider living in the united states after visiting thailand.
you have to be on some serious crack to put up with an american woman after being with a thai girl.
they do anything for you. and i'm not talking about the prostitutes, i have dated many regular thai girls and they were a thousand times better than any western girl.

BrowBeatenInUSA says:

You haven't met my Thai wife. Jesus wept! But she's of the Chinese persuasion, so I don't know. Maybe they're different.

dan says:

then again maybe i just got lucky and ended up with alot of nice ones.

whatever says:

i really enjoy reading mangosauce, but i can't help noticing you missed another solution to avoid the mingers: http://www.exile.ru/191/the_exile_field_guide_horny_expatriate.html

climate is less attractive, i must admit.

Mark Haeger says:

If you think Bangkok is Thailand then Taco Bell is Mexico. I have been living in Thailand for 7 wonderful years. The last 5 with my Thai wife outside of Bangkok. Yes, Thai women will take all your money if you let them. Western women won't? The difference is that the Thai women will treat you nice while they are spending as much as you're WILLING to give them. Of course, most Thai women have ailing mothers in the country and you can save their life for only 5000Bt. I love you too much.

Jules says:

Thailand is not a good country IMHO. In fact I have grown to quite dislike some aspects of it in the years I have been here but not quite enough to leave.

But the people are A1.

And I am not talking about the bargirls and ladyboys who hang out in the farang bar sector. I am talking about real people with real jobs and real lives. There are millions of them.

And one is my wife, God bless her.

Chaya says:

I am a Thai girl. After reading all your comments I felt funny. Thailand is a place of my mother. It's a place of those thai grils too. You all have to know one thing. Thai economic is not good as yours. We are still poor. Moreover, girls in the countries are poorer beacaus of their lack of eucation and oppunity. No one want to work as prostitute and bargirl if they have better choice.

Jules says:

Chaya,

So sorry I disagree.

I have met ladies working in bars with University degrees. They are often there because it is better paid, easier work and a way to find a rich boyfriend or husband despite having job opportunities.

Some people are very weak.

John Hunt says:

My wife told me to write and stand up for Western wives, not all men with western wives are henpecked.

Niall says:

Thailand is the Matrix but as long as you don't wake up then who cares!

I'm retiring there in 2 years time (age 45) to do nothing but drink beer and shag 20 years olds until I drop off the perch!

wOOt says:

Hey TANAI KWAI,
about "cheating" on your thai wife/girlfriend...

The thai wife of a good friend of mine told me a couple of weeks ago, she offered him to have a "second wife", because she was afraid he's bored with her... I was really supprised to hear something like that.

She has told me this:
It is more or less normal in the thai culture to have a "second wife" to shag, specially when you're married.
and:
In Thai language they have a word/expression for "second wife" and even one for "play wife".

He turned her offer down, by the way, he said he's happy with her and she's all he needs (can handle?) :-)

My personal opinion to this is, as long as you let you wife/girlfriend know that she's number 1 no matter what happens, it doesnt really matter what you do in you "free" time. I used to have a "open relationship" in europe, now I got one here, so I guess am am quite liberal about this anyway ;-)

Jules says:

I give you two years and you will leave. Many do because the reality of constant hangovers and occassional STDs is that really it is not much fun.

Wake up when you are fifty, bald, beer bellied and poverty struck and it may be too late.

Who am I kidding? Just enjoy it.

TANAI KWAI says:

Interesting data points, Woot.

(thanks)

karl says:

The statements in this site are cynikal but they have a solid base of reality.
I, am 40 Year old man from Germany (slim, not bad looking) got mistreated by a 35 year old Thai lady, and she has a good job in a bank.
After having contakt with her 15months and visiting her 3 times (for alltogether 9weeks) I thougt we have a base for love. Sending her the money for a ticket to Germany, guess what. A day before departure she says she has another boy friend...she changed her address, and the money gone with the girl.
I never trust a thai again when it comes to money.

Jules says:

Karl,

Sorry to hear about your girl troubles.

Thai ladies often have multiple boyfriends as they like to "play the field" until they are ready to commit to one guy.

They see nothing wrong in this as they are not married to you.

In 15 months you only spent 9 weeks with her. This would have rated pretty low on a TG commitment level.

Do not be disheartened, just next time buy the ticket directly from a Bangkok travel agent and ensure it is non-refundable.

Keep on looking, there are many nice ladies oyt there who would love to meet you.

Thai f00ka says:

karl , lol :D

Dr Death says:

Karl, that girl wants gassing.

alanjeen says:

Refer to the posting by browbeateninusa on June 4.

CHINESE GIRLS are the same everywhere,China,
Taiwan,Singapore,Thailand,Malaysia,you name it.
They are all materialistic to the core and will drive you nuts very quickly.If you want to marry a Thai girl,make sure she is NOT a Thai Chinese,as she will be more Chinese then thai.Most of them don't even look Thai anyway and many are educated in Chinese schools overseas.

mr peter says:

Karl

There was a German guy living in LOS who was pulling a similar scam. He had a site pretending to be a poor thai girl a bit down on her luck-you can guess the rest, quite a few sent the money for plane tickets without ever meeting the 'girl'. Eventually he was arrested and got a jail sentence, never heard of a thai girl getting arrested for this type of thing, jails would be too full to cope! This was about 6 years ago, as I had posted an email to 'her' myself I was contacted by the thai police who went through everything on 'her' hard drive. Hope 'she' ended up with a sore arse!-peter

Nok says:

Khun Kahl,

I lob youu an Jemany too mud, ples send munnii me too, quick quick. I not go see my fliend youu suuer. You hansumm man. And no fo'get, my gote mai sabai an glass of taben mee is broken!

Lob, Nok

P.S. Hab account bank alleady! Is bank Ayuthaia, hab numben I send you.

John U says:

Nok,

What can I say except for priceless.

:<))

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

Hey,

You guys moan and moan, check this link out and you will STOP complaining about Farang girls!

http://www.mikeriemer.com/cheeky-girls.jpg

You're just upset cause you can't get them!

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus (formerly known as Mike)

mr peter says:

A ha nice one centurian, nice one. Fat certainly is a feminist issue with these porkers, god how can they pack the lard on like that, are they real or photoshop jobs? urgh distgusting-peter

John U says:

One thing's for sure Lucius - they won't be coming to LOS.

There's no way their arses would fit into any airline's seats.

Gross.

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

Mr Peter,

I am long time dead, but when I was alive, I didn't have Photoshop. And I would not have worked on such a mess anyway.

John U,

Heavy Cargo normally gets shipped, not flown.

Besides, what happened to Tanai? I really start worrying that something bad happened...?

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus

Michael says:

Funny site !
Definitely Thailand is no more a Paradise for se(n) (x)sual tourists...
But a Sexy Hell (still sexy sometimes but less than some years before).
And even the Hell is not so cheap it is now, with too much gays now, visual pollution, and muredering fancies for normal guys !
Change to Cuba ?? Leader Maximo is getting old !!

Oz Terry says:

to alanjeen

You are so right about Chinese girls in SE Asia. What is it ? Family values ? I have a weakness for them and i get fucked every time :-) I feel like i need 12 step program for weaning off singapore chinese girls !

Naive says:

If you've been there for a while i'd like some comments.

I have a little less than $1M US in total cash assets (no property) and m mid 40's. I 've been in SE asia for 10 years but not much in Thailand. No wife kids or SO.

Could i get a woman and live in comfort in Thailand for the rest of my life ? Would i be allowed to live there. What would it take ?

Is it possible for a farang not to get burned and ripped off on 49% property deals?

No you cant have my contact details :-)

jdman says:

Dear niave,

Read the whole thread after my letter titled "I waant our baby now" under relationships. There is a lot of good advice there about what to do and not do. Read Private dancer' (the link is in the thread noted) and recognize that while it is fiction, what happens in that story has a lot of truth too it if you are not careful. The 'good girl' vs. 'bad girl' thing in the thread pay particular attention to. I will not initiate an attempt to do the 'good girl' search until I move there. So I can't tell you for sure that that will be an easy and safer route to long term relationships and happiness. You will have no problem living in Thailand on $30-50K/year but keep your money invested at home, don't buy property (rent), don't buy a lot of expensive extras that (car, furnishings, etc.), give some money every month to the girl's family as well as the girl (both always need extra money it seems), and never insult either of them or you might end up dead.

mrpeter says:

'You will have no problem living in Thailand on $30-50K/year'

What jobs do some of you lot have? I'd love that much to live on at home, and I still manage to get to LOS a couple of times a year at least. I could live on $15.000 a year very nicely in LOS, in fact when I hopefully retire there in a few years thats about all I will have. -peter

Jules says:

Depends on your lifestyle.

A lot of expats "survive" very well with their families here as follows:

Condo or house 60k
Utilities etc. 6k
Maids 10k
School fees 2 x 30k
Car (imported) 30k
Club fees 10k
Flights 20k
Health care 5k
Vacations 20k
Shopping 60k
(Let this include visas etc.)
Entertainment 50k

All up about 300k/mth on average for an expat family.

Of course pensions and savings are important as well.

Hope I am not putting you off Mr. P but at $15,000/year that is only 50k/mth and will not fund a well heeled existence in central Bangkok dining at the Oriental with a young family in tow.

On the other hand if your needs are more modest and you are not held back by 2.1 expat brats and a wife who likes luxury then it can be a lot cheaper

Apartment 15k
Utilities 3k
Maid 4k
Bus 1k
Flights 3k
Shopping 15k
Entertainment 10k

Barring any mishaps then you should be able to live like a king on this amount.

JDMAN has the right idea IMHO. Apart from one thing, do not move to Pattaya if you want your money to last or find a good girl. Pattaya is not for that.

mr peter says:

Pattaya is a place I would pay not to have to live in so thats alright and Bkk is just too environmentally unpleasant long term. Somewhere like Surin, Ubon ot even Korat would be my choice. Hua Hin if I fancied the sea, although I don't go in for beaches at all. This would bring things right down especially renting a place. I don't have any kids or wives either so 40-50 k a month should do.-peter

Bruce Mangosteen says:

Just curious why so much animosity toward Pattaya. I'm fairly familiar with the place, and I like it.

Yes, the Beach Road area is a menagerie, but so what? It's fun in the same way as Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza. The caveat about Pattaya bargirls really applies to most of 'em everywhere in Thailand; I have met some very nice, sweet, gentle and genuine girls in the bars in Pattaya.

For traditional Thai music and entertainment (mentioned in another thread), if you venture up the Tappraya Road under the Third Road overpass, just to the left is a concert venue wherein I have seen national big-name acts (according to my GF, I am not up on Thai music like some here). Good food and drink on offer, reasonable prices, friendly ethnically mixed crowd (e.g. farangs and local Thais getting along just fine, thank you), and you can walk up and say hello to the talent between sets.

Back along the Third Road there are a number of Thai restarants that serve inexpensive, authentic Thai food (not tourist-style) until the wee hours, with the mandatory karaoke machine, quite reminiscent of what I have seen around the rest of Thailand. There are also a couple of fancy Thai restaurants (Baan Thai opposite the Lotus on the North Pattaya Road, and Ruen Thai Pattaya Second Road opposite Royal Garden Resort) that feature live performances of traditional music and dance from around Thailand. A nice place to take the girlfriend for her birthday.

Farang food can be had in great variety and abundance. For the best AND the cheapest barbecued steak in Thailand, visit Uncle Charlie and Goki's, one block north of Soi Honey Inn off Second Road. You might have to ask around about this one, it's tiny, and only does the steaks a couple of nights per week. You pick your raw steak off a platter and Goki cooks it to your liking, and serves it up with a large fresh garden salad and all the trimmings, all for less than 200 baht (depending on your drinking habits). Lovely.

Also don't miss the Italian place known simply as "80 Baht Spaghetti" to the local expats. Owned by a guy from Italy (I can't talk to him, he only speaks Italian), this place has a card-tables and folding chairs ambience much reminiscent of the best of New York's Little Italy. The food is an absolutely gorgeous sensual experience, and you can overload yourself for 150 baht. Yes, you can get a bowl of (actually really nice) spaghetti for 80 baht. Up Tappraya Road about 1/2 mile from the Third Road overpass.

There are also plenty of pubs of various sorts that don't feature dancers or "hostesses" for your entertainment. Look for Shenanigans, Second Road side of Royal Garden, for a nice (if somewhat pricey) Irish ambience and real good food. Sportsman, Beach Road Soi 13, features English pub grub (really nice bangers and mash there) and a pool table. Blue Parrot Mexican Restaurant (Soi Pattayaland 2) after normal dinner hours becomes an outdoor expat pub; great food, and don't miss the margueritas. The Viking Beachcomber (just across the street from Blue Parrot) is where expats go for a quiet beer in the afternoon to sort out the world's problems. They feature cold cut submarine sandwiches that are a whiff of home for us Americans.

For accomodations, there is an absolute GLUT in all price ranges. I have stayed in gorgeous hotels with restaurant, poolside bar, exercise facilities etc., walking distance from the beach, for 1000 baht/night, and 100 - 200 baht/night fan-only cold-water rooms are available in abundance. I rented a furnished condo there for a while, a 13th-floor in a high-rise security building with 90-degree ocean views and 90-degree "mountain" views (they sorta LOOK like mountains from that distance anyway), short walk to the beach, STUNNING views of the islands that stud Pattaya Bay, for 20,000 baht/month. Maid 3,000 baht/month. Utilities and phone, 1,000 baht/month (much less if your GF isn't always on the phone to save her One-To-Call minutes). If this is too steep, you can rent a 2 bedroom row-house in Rungland Village for about 5000 baht/month.

From what I've seen, the worst of Pattaya is no worse than the worst of Bangkok. While I won't take anybody to task for their opinion of Pattaya (there's enough of that crap that goes on in this blog already), I might suggest that people spend time looking for what's good in Pattaya before settling immovably on their opinions. Similarly to Bangkok, if you make contact with the Pattaya expat community, they can steer you to the best in Pattaya.

And, speaking of expats, I am amused by the descriptions of the Pattaya expat community as either bleary-eyed drug-addled snaggle-toothed long-haired dropouts from some eurotrash hippie commune someplace, or members of the Russian Mafia. I count among my friends the CEO of an industrial controls corporation, an FAA aviation expert who used to run a major international airport, a retired Los Angeles restauranteur, and numerous high-level engineers of various sorts, among others. Just as in Bangkok, water seeks its own level.

Bruce Mangosteen says:

Under ex-pat bars sans entertainment I forgot to mention Bobby Joe's 60s Bar. A favorite expat hangout, especially for the slightly older set (they'd kill me for that if they knew about that remark, sorry Bobby!), it features great food (especially the breakfast I'm told, but I'm never up that early) reasonable prices, and an outdoor porch for swapping lies about fishing and golf in the afternoon. Bobby's a great guy, and he attracts a colorful group of expat friends. Pattaya Soi Zero (also called Soi Srinakorn), first left at the very northern end of Beach Road.

I'm sure more will come to mind. Maybe we should start another thread?

mr peter says:

I honestly have given pattaya a good bash over the past ten years but I will never set foot in the town ever again, in fact I would rather stay at home I loathe it so much. I went one time for five days but found the first night there so unbearable I had to get back to bkk the next day. Jontiem is not so bad but why go there when you could go to Hua Hin. In it's defence people site the places around pattaya, and there are a few but the town itself just seems like one open air brothel at one end, and non descript boredom at the other. There has obviously been far to much bar development and for some reason these are staffed by some of the ugliest and rudest girls Issan can produce, and I am a lover of issan girls. No matter how many attractions you can list the truth about Pattaya is that people in the main go there for one thing only-cheap sex. The sea is still a filthy health risk, too many of the baht bus drivers are nasty (although the free bus is good news) the shops, hotels and resaurants are second rate and worst of all the cafes are not up too much. I am always on the lookout for being scammed and I have been, or tried to be more times in pattaya than anywhere else in the kingdom, even in the thai places. Another thing I hate about pattaya is that is not really like thailand at all but rather some tacky spanish resort that has been plonked down in over what used to be quite a nice town before the place got ruined. I am a lover of bars, a go gos and massage parlors, but pattaya just does it all so poorly. How people can take their kids there is amazing, I think the place is a national embarassment to most thais and know many who will not go there. Seems you either love it or hate it-peter

Bruce Mangosteen says:

Well, Mr. P., you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and I respect your right to them. As a person who spends most of his time in Pattaya, I could make the same generalizations about Bangkok, calling it just another Asian urban megalopolis, Seoul with go-go bars. However, what would be the point? If you like it, fine. Actually, I like Bangkok too, and my jibe above was not intended to reflect how I actually feel about the place.

As to the Thais not liking Pattaya, tell that to the bazillions of them that clog every road in Pattaya from Thursday night until Sunday night, and stop up the highways to and from Bangkok for days on end every week. The employees of the Dusit Resort would be surprised indeed that their hotel is second rate, as it regularly hosts international dignitaries and important social events. As far as the ugly Isaan girls go, I don't know where you went or how long ago, but to my eye the girls are younger and fresher in the Pattaya Dollhouse than they are in the Bangkok Dollhouse, and I find it just as easy to find a good-looking girl on Soi Pattayaland 2 as I do in Nana Plaza. As far as Pattaya not being like the rest of Thailand, I'm afraid that, except for Beach Road and Second Road, Pattaya is a lot more like the other cities in Thailand I've been to than Bangkok is!

As far as boredom, I would say that there are a lot of activities available in Pattaya that aren't available in Bangkok. Fishing, diving, para-sailing, golf, go-kart racing, a shooting range, a softball league, a Hash Running club, and many other activities are on offer. There's a pool league, a darts league, a quiz league, etc., etc. Read the Pattaya Mail (http://www.pattayamail.com) or similar for the info.

Look, I stand by my statement that the best in Pattaya, like the best of Bangkok, can be most quickly found with the aid of somebody who is familiar with the place. If you had bad experiences there, well, some people do. I've had bad experiences in Bangkok, too, from Tijuana Taxi rides to nowhere to hassles from surly cops to traffic nightmares unknown to the rest of the planet to pushy bar girls, etc., etc. However, I like Bangkok, because I have friends who have shown me the better parts of it, just like Chiang Mai and the other places I've gone. I'm simply saying that people ought to give Pattaya the same chance.

Get a Life says:

As Bruce shows; people who know Pattaya know that it is so much more than Mr. Peter describes. But his mind is closed, and he refuses to listen to people who disagree with him. I'm surprised he hasn't started his usual line of verbal abuse.

"truth about Pattaya is that people in the main go there for one thing only-cheap sex."

This is obviously, from his many posts elsewhere, the main reason why Mr. Peter comes to Thailand. He forgets that whilst most of us, I'm sure, enjoy this aspect of the Kingdom, we also do venture away from the bars sometimes!

Mr. Peter, as Bruce says "Well, Mr. P., you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and I respect your right to them." but may I suggest that you pay Pattaya another visit, only this time spend less time looking for a cheap fuck on the beach, and more time exploring the place away from the bars. Who knows, you may find something you like!

"For traditional Thai music and entertainment (mentioned in another thread), if you venture up the Tappraya Road under the Third Road overpass, just to the left is a concert venue wherein I have seen national big-name acts" said Bruce, and I think even the divine one has graced the place with her presense!

" I think the place is a national embarassment to most thais and know many who will not go there." Mr.P., the situation is the exact opposite, as you should know. Or you would do if your conversations with Thais extended beyond your negotiations with the Mamasan.

mr peter says:

well completly ignoring get a life/NJW/Jintara (you are soo obvious) I am talking to Bruce here. Good luck to those who like it and I would not ever say to anyone don't go, but knocking the place seems to often hit a raw note and people sometimes want to go to great lengths to try to defend the place, trying to point out all it's good points. I see you mention the Doll House, only went in twice and have never seen a place with such stand offish stuck up girls, I ended up reading the paper in there. Pretty baby used to be good but now gets full of Jap tour parties. The only half decent, no I would say very good a go go last time I went was paris. Pattayaland 2 is truely horrible IMO as is FLB and winchester dragon club. As for the activities: 'Fishing, diving, para-sailing, golf, go-kart racing, a shooting range, a softball league, a Hash Running club, and many other activities are on offer. There's a pool league, a darts league, a quiz league, etc' I am interested in none of these with the exception of the quizz league but I don't want to waste time on holiday doing things I can do at home.
Sorry, the big Banana will never be for me but if thats what you like good luck to you, to me it's more like hell on earth-peter

Bruce Mangosteen says:

No problem. We can agree to disagree.

On the go-gos, I agree that Paris is pretty good. What is that bizarre shooter the owner buys you all the time? I spend time in the Tahitian Queen bars, too. Not so much for the broads (I have a TGF and stick pretty much to her), but for the great classic rock and blues music and my many expat friends who congregate there.

I agree that the go-go bars in Pattayaland 2 are generally a waste, but don't miss Classroom 2 and Kittens, they are halfway decent. Also, get off the beaten track and find the Harley Bar, another expat favorite located just outside the Suksabai Village neighborhood. They have only decent dancers and "hostesses", but they also have good food, friendly service, and a nice big billiards room.

As far as activities you don't engage in, fair enough, but to characterize a place with so many things to do as boring bespeaks, well, somebody who might be easily bored, perhaps? I'm guessing that, whatever your taste in activities (short of things like mountaineering and cross-country skiing), you can find it in or near Pattaya, if you know who to ask. It begs the question: Just what is it you go on holiday to DO?

I'm not defending Pattaya. The good parts of it are there for those who look and need no defense; the bad parts are indefensable, just like those in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Phucket, Samui, Mueang Korat, and everyplace else.

Enjoy not being in Pattaya, Mr. P., and next time I'm in Bangkok we can raise a glass. As long as we're both satisfied, we have nothing to quibble about.

Confused says:

well completly ignoring get a life/NJW/Jintara (you are soo obvious) I am talking to Bruce here.

So the other 3 are not allowed to contribute? Only You two?

I thought anyone could post here (unless they're named Kevin or Isobel ;-) )

Jules says:

Pattaya isÖÖ..

Well, unless you have spent some time there it is hard to describe.

Some farang enjoy Pattaya though I personally do not enjoy the pub, golf, go-gos, farang restaurants, quiz leagues etc. of Pattaya.

I used to see only the seedy side of tattooed fat drunken farang (oops that is me) with ugly women screwing up Thailand and pouring their pestilence into the Gulf of Thailand.

In the last few years however I have begun to see Pattaya in a whole different light. It is probably the most liberated city in Thailand with just about anything possible for the ordinary resident or visitor, Thai or farang, to fulfil their dreams.

And is this not where this thread started, throwing in the towel on your minger in farang land and running of to Pattaya to run a bar with a young Thai lovely?

Get a Life says:

"well completly ignoring get a life/NJW/Jintara (you are soo obvious) I am talking to Bruce here."

So you are going to completely ignore anyone who disputes the opinions you present as facts? Ignore anyone who picks holes in your arguments?

Well, life must be wonderful in Peterland, where all agree with the boss!

But then, what do I know, as I am apparently three different people! Actually, probably more. Carry on, Mr. Peter. Just assume that all the people who challenge your ravings are really just one person. Saves you having to face up to the fact that most people here think you're a twat.

Get a Life says:

BTW, anyone who wants to see all that Pattaya has to offer should look at http://www.pattayapages.com/tourist/

mr peter says:

Get a wife/not just a wanker/ Jintara are all the same poster and of course NJW is the expert on Pattaya being such a culture vulture.-peter

Fat ugly loser says:

Is it true what they say about Thai (and all Asian) girls' pussy, that it gets tighter the further their legs spread, like a Chinese finger trap? I'm a fat, ugly 20 year-old virgin who's saving up enough money flipping burgers at McDonald's so I can go to Thailand and bang my first whore over there. Any advice?

Ronin says:

Fat Ugly Loser:

Of course that's true. It also runs side-to-side between their legs (horizontally), instead of vertically! That explains why it gets tighter when you spread 'em wider!

Jules says:

FUL,

Unfortunately Ronin has no master to keep him under control.

Women in Thailand are built the same as women elsewhere but IMHO to a higher standard.

And there is no such thing as a FUL 20 year old virgin in Thailand with money in his pocket.

Run away from those mingers in farangland who cannot see your desirability. They are just intimidated by you.

Combover says:

You're not mingin' anymore!
You're not mingin'
You're not mingin'
You're not mingin' anymore!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004332646,00.html

OK - they're still not the best. But after a couple more trips to Bumrungrad perhaps....

Jules says:

For those with a delicate stomach who do not want to see the piccies:

Not Minging Any More By ANTONELLA LAZZERI

THREE ugly sisters have had a string of operations to make them beautiful. (Journalistic licence)
Jennie, Katie and Frannie Martinson had become sick of their sagging boobs and flabby faces and turkey necks.
They were sent for three months of surgery, dentistry, diets, (yeah these they needed) workouts and beauty treatment in Los Angeles ó at a cost of £50,000 per sister.
Jennie, 45, said: ìWe felt ugly all our lives. We were tomboys who never felt girlie. Now we feel like Barbie dolls, pretty for the first time.î (and like a Barbie doll full of plastic)
The sisters ó all divorced mums from Phoenix, Arizona ó blamed their masculine jobs for making them frumps.
Jennie is a gold miner, Frannie a metalworker and Katie is a painter and decorator.

So a minging gold miner just needs 50k and a few months to fix her minging. Should be quicker and cheaper to go to LOS and find one that ain't broke alreay.

phil says:

Been there
done those
+ fallen off the Nana balcony
ETC ETC
and would still rather be sat in the happy world bar
with a beer than here sad or not

Rachel says:

Get your ugly bird a pressie from www.missvibe.com and find yourself a new Farang bit.

Khun Daeng says:

Two secret words: Chiang Mai

I'm 59, been here 15 years, have a 42 year old wife that looks 30, two 'mia noi' that she knows about... one 26, the other 19. Venture round to the fishbowls once a month or so. Never gotten an STD (Knock wood) Lovin is great, food is great, lifestyle? Guys... compared to the States, it's a dream come true.

Chunky spoiled white women may say that this is totally immoral and absolutely corrupt, well, they can go eff themselves. You've one life. Live it.

Dana says:

Somehow I am really missing the boat regarding Chiang Mai. I have been hearing for years that it is an attractive place to live for farang. My two trips there were completely underwhelming. What I saw was a small city in a valley between mountains. No zoning or local governance laws or city planning mean that the ciy is chaotic and filthy. The outskirts are the same. Virtually no nightlife. Tremendously unappealing women and bars and barlife (farangs). No flora or fauna or topography or geography of interest until you get into the mountains and then you are not in Chiang Mai anymore. I just don't get it.

Combover says:

Must be more difficult to scrape a living up there too n'est pas?

Though I assume if you have a modest pension low costs would allow you to tough it out.

oljoe says:

Who's talking about 60? I'm 70 and can still get it up thrice daily [well, not every day] despite 30 years of Parkinsons Curse. If I can round up the cash and endure the flight to S.E. Asia then why not enjoy the pleasure of a 19-25 y.o. Of course she's in it for the $$. I'm sorry that their economy requires this of them but that't the way it is. She gets paid, I get a little bit of Heaven, the money buys her dad a new carabao or something snd everybody is happy except the feminazis and the NGO's and they can go to hell. I'm gonna continue screwing until they carry me away.

oljoe says:

Pardon my second insertion but it seems that nothing has changed in Chieng-mai [see Dane above) in the eight years since I was there last. Dunno what all the fuss is and was about the place. A real Zeroville! Best thing about it was the train ride back to Krung Thep.

Kermit says:

I tried the train from BKK to Chiang Mai and back about 10 years ago, not too bad, but wouldn't recommend it if you are suffering from dysentery! However dysentery can be avoided by not drinking tap water in the bars in NP !!!!!!! (The foolish things we do when we first arriveÖÖÖÖ..)

Noy says:

no wonder there are so many low life Brit losers looking for action. Pirate toothed scum who can barely speak understandable english getting their pootang in pataya and phuket.

Mike T says:

OLJOE,

There is a certain charm to Chang mai but like Bangkok you would have to live there to see it.

I never have.

mh delpilar says:

noy ? sounds like a new world wanker, identify yourself and come over 2 the old country. if u dare. or stay administering bj,s behind the green door on patpong 1. tosser.

Majic says:

Noy
Sounds to me that you are disguising your identity behind a Thai nickname and in reality are from 1.England 10/1 2.USA 5/1 . 3. Aussie(heaven forbid 3/1)
You are probably a new age Ultra butch/bitch Feminazi who cant control men in Thailand like you can back home.
So my well intended advice as a new age (in touch with my feelings,and formerly a "Male Chauvinist" to you is SHUT THE FUCK UP and get back in the kitchen.
P.S. I would have said Bedroom but why would I,when I have a beautiful 25 year old Thai women.

Drella says:

I am new to this site, but might I be permitted to make a few observations?

It seems to me that, in the world-view of your readers, there are four sectors of humanity, and each sector conforms to certain specific characteristics, viz:

1. FARANG FEMALE
A sweaty, saggy, overweight bleach-blonde bitch who nags constantly and complains when her man does normal stuff like punching her or shagging her mum.

2. THAI FEMALE
Moneygrabbing slut who'll take a waterbuffalo up the Gary in exchange for a pair of Prada stilettos.

3. FARANG MALE
Bloated, bigoted, red-faced fuckwit in a desperate attempt to coax a few more months of life out of his rapidly deteriorating cock (which, let's be frank, was nothing much to write home about in the first place). Probably a closet kiddlyfiddler. Would do Thailand and the rest of the world a great service if he volunteered for suicide bombing service down south.

4. THAI MALE
Non-existent, except for taxi-drivers and poofs.

BQ$$ pLaYa says:

hello all, this is my first post here. I've also never been to Thailand yet but I'm going to Pattaya to do a scuba internship in the next six months. Im reading sites like this to get as much info as I can before I go.....

Frankly I'm a bit concerned. I dont want to go to Thailand for the sex but for the scuba. If I wanna go for a beer somewhere at night, will I be set upon by a sea of girls with dollar signs in their eyes?

What if I want to meet a nice girl there (not a bargirl). How do I get to meet a girl like that if all the girls there expect I'm there for the exploitation alone?

Mr_white says:

Let me guess Drella, you wouldn't fall into category 1 would you?

Looper says:

'set upon by a sea of girls' yeah its a tough life BQ but something tells me you'll figure out the angles.
Dont panic though, try wearing blinkers at the gogo boozer.
If it doesnt work out just do like the romans.
Is there an advanced rescue muff-divemaster certificate?

Line says:

Hmm... how about women starting a dream bar in BKK? What's the risk of taking a dive from a balchony? ;)

Line says:

Hi Woot,
common to have a second wife? Maybe my family just stands out, but I assure you, if any man in my family would try that, the degraded woman would come running. With a gun. Or a knife.
-And even if I'm mixed, and have a western point of wiev, my immediate reaction would still be: Oh no you don't!

more$thanu says:

mr peter
after reading your postings on this topic i have come to the conclusion that you are a total and utter wanker.
i would love to have an open discussion with you at anytime in one of your local sukhumvit watering holes, i have no doubt that this would end up by me physically assaulting you.
why is it that you always seem to know what is best. yes we all love cheap hookers and and getting hammered with monkey faced brasses, but for all your extensive knowledge on thai night life, you have me wondering how you accomplish so much on such a meagre budget when it seems to me (and i have no doubt that i am not alone on this one) you spend all of your time on this fucking website slating every cunt.
it's 50+ tight bastards like you that give this place a bad name why dont you buy a case of singha beer and fuck off back to live with the cunt of a mother that spawned you.
no doubt you only came here when she found out she was dying and that you, at 50 had no chance of giving her grandchildren in your home country
wanker

more$thanu says:

the general

if you ever read this i would like to show my appreciation for the slating of that daft cunt talking about m&m, that kween, beetals was one of the funniest digs ive read on here
keep it up

s says:

hi
no comment

Kevin says:

I CAN ONLY RESPECT HONEST FARANG GIRLS!!!

The reason "so many, but not all, Farang
Women feel compeled to say something
nast, bitter or hateful about Thai Women
is JEALOUSY".

I WILL ALWAYS RESPECT FARANG WOMEN WHO HAVE THE
INTEGRITY TO SAY THINGS LIKE THIS.

1- Thai Women are gorgeous, you guys are
so lucky to be here.

2- If it is NOT my Boyfriend/Husband it is not
my business.

3- Older Men have been attracted to Younger
Women "since the beginning of time". Get
over it & MOVE ON!!

4- All Women like money$$$, Thai Girls are
happy with less, and a lot more FUN than
White Women.

5- This is where I would be if I was a guy!!!
(my favorite, said by a Dutch Girl)

Maybe I am Dreaming, but I have actually
heard White Women say these things.

But then, they were few & far between, but
at least some White Women can be HONEST &
KIND

Take Care, Kevin

Lin says:

hello you guys,

I read all of comments from here.
About Thailand, Thai ladies.
some're true, some're not true.
not everyone're the same in this world.
every place , every corner have every kind of person. even just only in one family, dad , mom , and kids. everyone already different of thinking ,behavior.

So, whenyoui're talking about "Thailand"
but Thailand have 76 provinces. and each province have soooo many city, and each city have soooo many village. U know ? on different village can be different kind of person thinking and thier style life too.
becuase of bra bra bra...

Even USA, England, or wherever. every area have different life stlye. down town or country side. etc.

So... not all of Thai ladies 're the same.
not all of English ladies 're the same.
not all of American girls 're the same.

Dont you think ? :-)

But you're can choice who you will hang out with or who u will walk in thier life.
you can create it. It's just life. all of bad and good things 're just colourful of life. Enjoy your one life ! Take care all.

Love and peace from Thailand :-)

Claudette says:

...Wow!It's people like you lot (for the most part) who make me wish I could have my tits lopped off and my cunt sealed up and burnt.
My father went to Korea to "teach english".he brought home a little wifey and I was the result of their two year relationship...Miss wifey went back to Korea when I was about six months old and I was raised by an old playboy father... I followed her example eventually and left home at 16.

Chem girl says:

I'll say that if faced with the choice I would so totally rather bang a gorgeous Thai girl to you old white CHAPS...

boobadoo says:

Lin,

What a brilliant piece of wisdom....NOT.
Life would be wonderful if we could just take the argument you did and say well..everybody is different...but unfortunately reality tends to come and bite us in the ass somewhere along the line.
Have you ever heard of the science of statistics? The concept of research? ..Both of these are founded on drawing generalizations from witnessing large amounts of 1 type of behaviour. Thais, like any other object in this universe, can be categorized and generalized according to their behaviour.
If 999/1000 white women are fat.. I think you would have to say that white women are mingers. If 999/1000 Thai women are slim and attractive...then I woulld have to say that Thai woman are shaggable!

BigUnit says:

One of the things I always get a chuckle out of is how many people figure themselves an expert on Thailand. They rattle off how many times they have been there, how many years they have lived there and just basically try to impress other expats or visitors with their vast knowledge of life in the LOS.

It never fails, have a little conversation with some fellow at a bar or coffee shop( doesn't really matter where ) and he'll list off his credentials like a resume on why he knows what he is talking about and everyone else has their head up their ass.

Everybody's had different experiences living or visiting Thailand, even first timers have taken something home with them( hopefully not an STD ) from their travels. To list off one's own experiences like they are gospel is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.

There are a million bargirl horror stories out there and most definitely a million more to come. Personally I feel that many of the girls genuinely fall for guys, only to see that guy never come back..so they take what they can from the situation. I've had girls waiting for months for me to come back, sadly I never did. It's heartbreaking but the reality of the situation is something they quite possibly just don't understand. I think it's a real dilemma on both sides of the coin.

That being said, I would love to be able to live in Thailand. I feel that as long as you aren't a dumbass, you'll do just fine there.

The Ben Hobbs Hate Group says:

Who the fuck is this Ben Hobbs, everytime I want to do a search on Thailand all that ever comes in the resluts is a posting from Mr Ben Fucking Hobbs, who cares if he installs LCD's for a living, who cares if he does it in Thailand. Do us all a favor Ben , concentrate on your job, your family if you have one and leave all of us alone, taking over the world with forum postings isnt a measure of sucess.

By the way, great web-site

Hobbsey says:

This is Ben Hobbs here - LCD man. I'll tell you wot mate I've been in the LCD game all mY life - man and boy - n I can tell you wot - I've made a pretty fucking penny in LCDs. I came to Thailand cos I saw an opening - not like that you fucking perv - an opening in the LCD market - they fucking love em here. When Im out down Suhkumvit I tell all the birds I'm in LCDs. They don't know what it is do they so I point at their mobile phone sreen and tell em that I do these screens but fucking big ones and put em in to factories and everything. They giggle - It makes em fucking wet. But then some of em don't get it do they - they just think I make fucking big mobile phones - the daft cunts.

As for your bunch of puffs you call a hate group you can stick that up yer arse. If you're on the market for an LCD - I'm still the fucking man and you know it.

bangkokram says:

Hobbsey,
If your LCD's are as good as your post replies, I hope you make a million. (Quid not Baht).

Sony or Samsung?

Nick says:

Damn, Jules wrote that expats "survive" on...

"Condo or house 60k
Utilities etc. 6k
Maids 10k
School fees 2 x 30k
Car (imported) 30k
Club fees 10k
Flights 20k
Health care 5k
Vacations 20k
Shopping 60k
(Let this include visas etc.)
Entertainment 50k

All up about 300k/mth on average for an expat family."

Alright, so that's assuming a wife and 2.4 children, but geez, you can get a nice three bedroom house in the suburbs for 6.5k a month. I have a Thai gf and live pretty comfortably making around $900 a month (and I save every month too). It's only a short term situation for the next couple of years but it's a decent life even for that apparently meagre amount.

As for original post, I've had headaches from my relationship, but I wouldn't change a thing. There are plenty of good girls out there. The first one I hooked up with I've now been with for 4 years and things are great. I didn't come here because I disliked western girls, I just happened to fall in love with a Thai.

benny boy says:

open your hearts poeple and your minds

jollyboy says:

Compared to living with a british girl, I think I prefer your options!!!, example -Living with a British Woman ( for want of a better word ) Nagged at all day, in debt with car, mortgage, her friends who you cant stand, smelly,spiteful , ( and the're just the rich ones bye the way )self obsessed,Rude, Ignorant and ill mannered,cant cook, wash, raise a smile , - What that for life? give me a few years in Thailand anyday , cant be any worse than Purgatory with a western Thing of female Origin.

andyusa says:

Fuk Thailand now Junta the evil dictator stole it..