Having someone killed in Thailand

kris says:

wow. this is really news to me.
i'm 21 and one time in a naugthy bar in Chiang Mai, i dragged a 63 year old into a dirtsoi by his throat and kicked his ass. i had my reasons though. but the thing that scares me now is that the girls in the bar told me he had been there for 10 years, 9 years and 4 months longer than me. luckily, the night of the fight was the same as my departure from Chiang Mai. lucky me, i guess :)

BigUnit says:

If you are at the point of considering having someone "taken care of", surely you have spent some sober and lucid hours of clarity thinking about your various options. The possible consequences will quite obviously change life as you know it, living in paradise will quickly go to living in hell if caught. Is this person worth it? most likely not.

Personally, I would get little satisfaction from this person's arranged and untimely demise. However I would get an immense amount of satisfaction from bouncing their bloody skull off the concrete with my bare hands. Of course a royal shit kicking leaves the door open to them coming back for some retribution but that in turn gives you the opportunity to shit kick them again..how much fun!

best to just steer clear of trouble and enjoy life in paradise, at least attempt to maintain some civility in your gluttonous overindulgence =)

Dana says:

I've been to 32 countries, most of them third world. I regard the situation in Thailand as normal. Most of the world is a knifefight. I believe in nothing, I trust no one, I watch my back, I think in terms of exits, I rarely exchange emails or addresses, I avoid personal relationships with locals, and I am especially attuned to avoiding groups of young local males. I'm still alive.

Andy says:

Interesting. Is there a link(s) to any news reports of this story?

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The case has been widely reported in the press but it hasn't gone to trial yet so the rules of subjudicy apply (probably). - David

jz says:

when in changmai 2 weeks ago, i read about an married american journalist w/2 kids, killed by his canadian wife. the newspaper included a photo of his thai mistress crying over his bloody, flabby body.

Combover says:

Actually, the murder rate in Thailand is not that low. See here...

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

It's much higher than the US and the only EU nations worse are still full of Russian mafia & weaponry.

(32 ain't that many Dana)

Graham Earnshaw says:

The British-based Norwich Union insurance company says Thailand is the most dangerous place on the planet for tourists according to thousands of insurance claims lodged each year. Only got to hang about Nana Plaza late at night to watch the mahem unleashed on tourists.

Andy says:

Doesn't surprise me at all. Despite all the promotions; blurb; and "Amazing Thailand" bullshit, life here is still cheap as chips. Add the cultural deficiency known as "losing face" plus your Bhuddist fatalism, and your life here could be over before you've clumsily tried to "wai" some arrogant spastic in apology.

goldstar says:

Intersesting article. But thats amazing, kris, what was the offence?. Did he deserve it or was he just being a crazy farang?

meister says:

Combover,

I think your web reference must be wrong. No mention of Iraq??? Anyway, as usual we can blame loony bible bashers and mad bearded Mullahs!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html

kris says:

i doubt i will get applauded, but i'll tell you what happened. i know the woman who owns the bar, she says i'm so nice and she wishes i was her lokchai(son) and she gets me drunk there for free from time to time. so this one night, just before closing time, i stop by for a nightcap that i didnt really need since i was pretty hammered at the time.
anyways i'm not feeling to good since it's close to departure time and i wasn't really ready to leave. and all my time in Chiang Mai i saw the likes of old bastard farangs buying the youngest and most unexperienced girls with thoroughly scared expressions in their faces. that night was no different. the 63 year old was groping a girl that couldn't have been much older than 16. im on one corner of the bar, talking to my "mama" and he's on the other groping the girl. i'm talking to mama expressing my anger at "farang leo" "mai chob" and so on. this guy, ofcourse, speaks fluent thai. so he looks over at me and utters these words "you wanna fight, young punk ?" and that was the invitation that got my blood steaming. i don't expect alot of applause since this guy probably matches the description of some(alot?) of the guys on this site. prostitution is one thing, but disgusting exploitation bordering on paedophilia is another. if i had the same chance again, id grab it by the balls. atleast if i could get a clean getaway :)

Sceptical says:

Yeah kris, and pigs might fly...

Paddy O'Ffialle says:

Well Kris,

What do you think these young and inexperienced girls were doing in a bar patronised by drunk farangs late at night? Their homework?

It reminds me of a girl I met in a Pattaya bar. When I asked her if she wanted to come back to my hotel with me, she replied "Of course. Why do you think I am here?"

kris says:

as stated, i wasn't expecting any applause. but next time those of you prone to indulge in your granddaugther-fucking fetishes in the most despicable ways, look both ways and make sure that a drunk 200cm 110kg disillusioned young man isn't there.

kris says:

and if you really think those girls (and by those girls i mean those straight off the bus with a mighty scared look in their eyes and shaking hands) enjoy wrinkled fingers all over her then you better think again. as you probably know, the *vast* majority of bargirls don't enjoy their profession. the wai i got from the girl in the bar that was rid of her "customer" was enough for me to feel that she wasn't too concerned with the money or the "fun" that comes with joining "older gentlemen" in their hotel rooms. not that night at least.

Andy says:

Its really sweet when some dickhead who's just had the best and probably cheapest blowjob of his young life gets all protective of those virtuous, doe-eyed innocents just shipped in from Nakorn Noname. Arise, Sir Galahad.
Reckon it will cost him his first house, at least.
I'm all teary-eyed,...

bangkokram says:

I hope that Sir Kris's mighty white Charger is fast enough too whisk him away with his Damsal, When the old Dude hires a 154cm, 58kg Thai Hitman for a 1000baht too put a few holes in him.
Did we find out how Kris knew the guy was 63? Did he beat it out of him?

Also Kris, 200cm, 110kg. Do you work out?

Paddy O'Ffialle says:

Well, I signed on to point out to Kris that the old guy is probably back in the bar. Mauling the young girls with his wrinkled hands and drooling with anticipation at the pleasure yet to come. His pleasure that is, not the girls'.

However I see David has done a much better job on Kris elsewhere on the site than I could ever do. Well penned David.

kris says:

i'm no better than the next guy. i'm no knight in shining armor either. hell, i'm going to eden next time im in bkk. people can mostly do what they want without me getting in their way. but he took the initiative. if he didn't approach me, he wouldn't have ended up as he did. and yeah, i work out. i might have phrased myself wrongly and to much of a young stud here. i'm not really. i'm not violent by nature or anything. i wasn't feeling too good about anything that day and if it was any other day, i wouldnt have cared and laughed at his invitation to a fight. i mean, hes an old man. i dont feel proud or anything. things like these just happen. are all of you so old that you can't remember being a rebel without a cause ? and hack away at my spelling, grammar and whatever you want btw. english isn't my native language. and to this date i haven't paid for sexual services. ever.
but lets put up a scenario of this girl actually being 14. and the 63yearold knows this. is it still ok ? do you defend paedophiles coming here and exploiting the children of Thailand ?

bangkokram says:

Kris, it is never OK to maul or touch a 14 year old in the way you describe. although I have yet to guess the correct age of a Thai woman, especially a "Working Girl". They all seem to be older than they look.

However, perhaps if she had been 14, then The Mamasan you were being so friendly with should have been the victim of verbal retribution for allowing a young girl to work in the establishment!

Never paid for sex!!! You will, directly or indirectly, theres no such thing as a free lunch...

Andy says:

kris, just what the fuck are you doing here in the first place?
You should be at home with your Mum.

Big Al says:

Kris,

I'm confused. You have never payed for sex ever, but next time in BKK you are going to Eden? What are you planning on doing at Eden if you aren't going to have sex?

I disagree with your statement that you are not violent by nature.

What happens if you meet someone who is 120 kg and 210 cm, who is doing something you don't like, on a day when you are in a bad mood? Will you still attack?

BA

Paddy O'Ffialle says:

Kris,

Could you let us all know when you are planning on visiting Eden so that those of us with wrinkled hands can keep clear of the place?

While you're there it would be helpful if you could drop a word in the manager's ear as to why his takings have gone for a shit.

P O'F

rattan says:

well one night i'm having a beer at the Offshore BAR.in Bangkok. When a young English punk started his shit about exploiting bar girls. Since I was 50 YRS. OLD.and have conversation with.a 27 female,i thought this asswipe was out of line. Being in some tough bars in Chicago,i totally enjoyed kicking this punks as into a sewer, where he was born.

Doctor Bob Rix says:

Hey Bangkok Ram, I'm only 154cm and 58kg... but, when I stand on my wallet, I look surprisingly taller to the bar girls. Talking about bar girls...in Surabaya, Indonesia down the famous alley there was once a place called Bar ‘N’, the significance of the ‘N’ I never understood but the girls were proud to wear the ‘BarN Girl’ tee-shirt. A joke by the Ozzie owner maybe but now, when I look around BKK somewhat jaded by the years perhaps, I just see so many BarN Girls… but these days so many of the places do look like fucking barns so maybe we could have a competition amongst the bar owners… shell out and do-up your place or you face the hit-of-the-week competition. Seriously, talking about ‘hits’ on farangz, I recall some poor sod down in Pattaya was inundated with them a couple of years back but he just inherited a few gazillion GBP from his gay Brit lover. Now there’s motive on a higher plane… But, back to the point, the only real ‘hit’ I ever experienced in Thailand was back in ’94 following an Irish police ‘Operation Taurus’ where the police (?) were tracking-down the hitmen who were tracking-down supergrasses (boring IRA stuff). There was one clear hit here up-country but the Thai police got involved and the Irish police (?) went home. Now that was real hitman stuff not your lowlife barn-boy with a grudge stuff.

philH says:

Doctor Bob,
I think I know the "poor sod" in Pattaya. I certainly knew a guy back in the mid nineties, right flash harry, splashed cash around like songkhran water. He got shot through the neck but I don't think it was connected with the money. I think he just pissed off the wrong person once too often. Had to spend the next couple of years with a "minder" in tow.

Don't know about gay though. When I knew him he had a live in tart but that doesn't mean anything. He did inherit his money from a famous English playwright, a raving pooftah, so if guilt can be established by association, he is/was gay.

Fools die young says:

Once when in LA I was traveling home n rush hour traffic to be stopped in six lanes of traffic at the red light. The guy two cars over jumped into the middle car next to me passenger seat and started beating this 65 + or – up. The old man fell over while getting beat and managed to pull out a very large Army type hunting knife. He stuck this knife hard back handed into the young mans chest. The young man jumped out of the old mans car back into his car. The light changed green and we all drove off. I don’t imagine the young man drove very far after seeing where and what he was stabbed with.
Don’t mistaken some old mans age and his small frame with his ability to fight. Personally I carry a combat switch blade with me at all times when I go out n Thailand. I grew up practicing with it live on the streets of New Orleans, L.A and Chicago, retired thank you. Try dragging this old man by the throat out of the bar and see where you wake up.

Schiz01 says:

I manage to fall quite neatly between the two groups threatening to kill each other here-i.e.the very young and the more "seasoned"(being mid 30's, with 15 years experience as a bouncer/P.s.g. all over the world,and quite a big lad at 105-kilo's,but will self admit that at least 12 kg's of that is fat...:),and I have only had one aggresive incident in Bangkok in a year of almost constant debauchery which was when a 50ish german guy walked into a Nana bar I was sitting in and started beating the bejasus out of one of the girls(apparently it wasnt a case of her stealing his wallet,OR his heart,she had spilled a drink on him earlier)my bouncer instincts jumped to the fore and I headlocked him and removed him from the bar before he even know what happened...I DID NOT however"Kick the shit out of him","Knife him" or anything else(there were plenty of Thai men itching to do that,and cops ready to pounce on him anyway)and when he stuck his head back through the curtains to invite me out for a fight I just frightened the shit out of him with a graphic description of what I'd do to him if he didn't leave,
Maybe it was my years as a bouncer,martial(and marital..:)artist etc. that kept me calm and kept it from turning into a "beating,followed by a hit",I dunno...
or maybe all of you testosterone freak "sir Galahad's" and "I'm still young honest" viagra overdosers need to just fucking relax and get along.

205 says:

I'm not going to start my comment off by describing my height, my weight, how long my appendage is or anything else about what I do or why I do it.

Having said that, I was sitting with my Thai 'wife' in a Bangkok street one night eating pork noodles, as you do.

As I was eating I noticed a thai man about 3 tables along from me get up from his stool and punch his female companion to the side of the head. The female immediately slumped up against the shop window she was sitting next to and this vulgar thai man, hit her at least two more times. Without thinking and just reacting to what I saw I stood up and said in english, "Oi, enough of that". No sooner had I finished saying this and this guy looked at me, then started heading my way.

I was alarmed to say the least at this time and I moved away from my stool, at which time this angry piece of work was well on his way to me. He only had to cover 5 metres or so and as he took his last couple of steps I saw the knife he was holding. Luckily I saw this just in time and the next few seconds of my life could have resulted, without doubt in my death.

As 'knife boy' took 4 or 5 swipes at me, I kept yelling "Jai yen yen", but each time he came at me with the knife it was with greater viggor. Fortunately for me, my current job and the job I've been doing for the past 17 years requires me to train in 'Unarmed defence tatics'. After blocking all these attempts to stab me, the final block resulted in the knife dislodging from his hand and falling to the pavement. At this time both of us scurried for the knife, his intentions to pick the knife up was foiled by my right foot which managed to send the knife several yards down the pavement.

As this desparado stumbled for the knife I noticed that my wife had already entered a taxi and was waving for me to join her. Without a second thought I got into the taxi and closed the door and the taxi driver kept saying, "He no good mr, he no good".

Anyway, the taxi driver moved off only to travel about 50 metres before comming to a stop in the lovely midnight bangkok traffic jam. The 'Thai ugly' ran along behind the taxi punching and stabbing at the taxi as we moved slowly along, during which time he was yelling obscenities at me in thai.

Fortunately this incident ended with our taxi moving away and thai ugly being left behind. According to my wife the female victim also made her get away and the worst injury other than hers was the noodle operator was out 4 bowls of noodles (I'm assuming that 'thai ugly' was in the mood to pay for the noodles).

Im not too macho to admit that I was shaken by this incident and my wife carefully explained that had I kicked his arse, there was plento of other 'tatt weilding, yahhbah smoking thai grubs' around to take up the issue.

I'm a strong believer that men shouldnt push women around, yet alone punch them in the head, but I should have been a bit wiser than what I was and stepped back not in. Of course I have no doubt the woman assaulted was either the girlfriend or other sexual associate of the 'thai ugly' and no doubt she was back in his bed the following evening.

Important rule for all foriegners in thailand to remember (I have over 20 years experience living in the country) NEVER FORGET THAT YOU ARE A "FARANG" AND WILL ALWAYS BE TREATED US SUCH, ESPECIALLY IN THESE SITUATIONS.

Knowing what I know and being witness to a shooting in Kanchanaburi in June, 2006, I would recommend that any foriegner, no matter how many kg or cm or belts he holds, thinks twice before 'starting something' or otherwise whilst in Thailand. I can tell you that Thais and especially Muslium thais, are at least very unpredicatable.

As for you Kris, you should wake up to yourself and THINK, never lose sight that there is always someone bigger, heavier or more capable around the next corner that might just kick ur arse. Of course, not forgetting that some of the best fighters Ive seen, arnt all that tall or heavy in any such case.

Dicer says:

205,

What I'd like to know is, when the knife tossabout was being acted out what was your missus upto. Was she noodling in abandon?

205 says:

Actually Dicer,

For a thai chic, my missus is a bit of a lateral thinker, she sussed out the escape route, I would have been really pissed at her if she tried to get between him and I or anything stupid like that and shes obviously fairly confindent that I would be right, or perhaps shes updated the life insurance recently, I will have to check her visa statement.

Anyway, she got the cab and no doubt shes right about this losers mates, who no doubt would have appeared out of nowhere if we stuck around.

I should have been smarter, he was covered in those cheap tats, the type you get down the dirt soi outa town, where one needle is used for every colour.

Anyway, it freaked me out somewhat and I know she was upset too, but definately wasnt left 'noodling in abandon', as you put it.

Grunt says:

Looks like ms dicer has created yet ANOTHER alternate nick in the form of 205.

Why, you may ask? (note below, CREATE YOUR OWN EXPERTS)

25 Tactics for Truth Suppression

Rule 22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

205 says:

Grunt,

You are wrong. I am NOT one of Dicers Alternate Nic's.

I am me, my own person, not dicer. Anyway, you will think what you will and I guess thats up to you. In any such case - thnx for reading my blog :-)

Newbie says:

Ummmm even though i am retired military 30 years..All I can say is your in a foreign country...this might sound cold, but mind your own business..forget about it..don't get involved with stuff best to leave and fast..Unless your armed and have backup. I mean c'mon being prince Valiant in a country like Thailand could get you killed and DAMN fast!! Always watch your six as well!!

Superfrk says:

I agree with what most of you are saying about mind your own business in Thailand and I for one usually am about having a good time so I let some stuff I would not let fly back home pass.Never really had any problems of it. As an Ex bouncer in a hole in the wall strip club in Florida. I can tell you to consider a different course of action if you are charged or have a knife pulled on you. Since you were at a bar if the stool is unmounted or there is a chair near by pick that shit up. Bar stool has a longer reach than a knife and if he comes at you you can beat the shit out of him with the ends of the legs. Keep moving backwards and knocking the crap out of him till he goes down and get the hell away from him. Lose your self in the crowd.

As a bouncer if a table was a problem I would in route make sure I had a chair that was empty and close by for this reason.

Though I know how to fight I never really try to start stuff and as a bouncer it rarely ever came to that.

Some of you guys be watching Road House too much or something.