Have we worn out our welcome in Thailand?

WGH says:

Westerners go to Thailand for their own sakes, not for the love of Thailand or Thai people. The only benefit they bring is money. Thai's know this and are justified in resenting it.
No one likes it when foreigners with money lord it over locals. There are many rich Arabs and other Asians (and I mean super rich, not mere pensioners like the westerners in Thailand) in Britain and America but they are not very popular over there.
There are too many westerners retiring to Thailand to obtain sex and a cheap lifestyle. They corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution.
No country should be dependent on retired rejects from the west for a living. And it is unfair that aging westerners, most of whom are mediocre rejects from the UK or USA, should be able to buy up scarce property and take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not have a lifestyle nearly as good and have to languish as waiters and cleaners and would not be allowed to migrate to Europe or America where they would work harder than most of the locals.

MB says:

@WGH

"No country should be dependent on retired rejects from the west..."

"...And it is unfair that aging westerners, most of whom are mediocre rejects from the UK or USA, should be able to buy up scarce property and take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not have a lifestyle nearly as good and have to languish as waiters and cleaners..."

You seem to have some deeper trouble in your own life you are not telling us about... I am very sorry for you.

Charles Edward Frith says:

WGH. Have you seen the muppet show?. Nobody gives a toss about rich Arabs in Mayfair. Everyone from taxi drivers to real estate agents love the dough that pours into the UK - and are indifferent towards about race. Sure there's a hierarchy here but for your information the Blacks now look down on the Poles in a Johnny come lately fashion. More amusing than pernicious.

As for the Thailand. Each example of the latent xenophobia in Bangkokian Chinese Thais I see just reminds me that if Laos, Burma, Cambodia or Malaysia dropped off the map tomorrow it wouldn't even make it past the 2nd dish of Som Tam conversation in Thailand, then consider the the boderline revulsion they have for Khon Isan and Khon Thai Dai people. Remarkable isn't it? Well WGH it's only remarkable because it's that sort of internal hostility that enabled the Khmer Rouge (only an hours flight away from BKK) to divide, slaughter and rule people by playing on ethnic tension before a bit of genocide.

You see WGH, that's how hostility works. It turns in on itself eventually and it aint pretty.

I'm giving you my Yim Tak Tan smile, because something tells me you still don't know the difference.

http://www.into-asia.com/thailand/culture/smile.php

CV says:

".... it is unfair that aging westerners, ... should be able to ... take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not ..."

That's a good one. The women shouldn't be able to choose then? You believe women ought to be property and instead of choosing they should be forced to take men based on your ideas of worthiness?

Wow.

That idea alone tells me what I need to know about you and the value of your opinions.

pipelayer says:

Foreigners have never been welcomed in Thailand and Thais never liked them to begin with. And WGH, don't worry yourself: Foreigners aren't taking "pretty women" for themselves. Take off your beer goggles. Few, if any, of the Thai women that are "taken" by foreigners could be called "pretty", particularly by Thai standards. As far as your use of the word "rejects" to describe the bulk of the western males in Thailand... I couldn't agree with you more. The truth sometimes hurts. Bummer.

Dana says:

"Westerners go to Thailand for their own sakes, not for the love of Thailand or Thai people. The only benefit they bring is money. Thai's know this and are justified in resenting it.
No one likes it when foreigners with money lord it over locals. There are many rich Arabs and other Asians (and I mean super rich, not mere pensioners like the westerners in Thailand) in Britain and America but they are not very popular over there.
There are too many westerners retiring to Thailand to obtain sex and a cheap lifestyle. They corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution.
No country should be dependent on retired rejects from the west for a living. And it is unfair that aging westerners, most of whom are mediocre rejects from the UK or USA, should be able to buy up scarce property and take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not have a lifestyle nearly as good and have to languish as waiters and cleaners and would not be allowed to migrate to Europe or America where they would work harder than most of the locals."

I think I'm going to puke. Spend some time in Pattaya visiting the various male and female expat clubs that raise money and do good for the Thais and you will learn what you do not know. These wonderful expats are not rejects but winners; and they donate their time and their money and their winning ways to the Thais. What they receive in return is the knowledge that they have done a civic thing.

Rejects? The entry requirements of some of these expat clubs would be a hill too steep for you to climb. Save this high school drivel for those in the old country who have never applied for a passport. It does not belong on a website such as this.

Conan says:

Maybe if the Thai men treated their women better then they would have a chance.

This is not my opinion I mearly speak on behalf of my female friends who have complained to me on many occassions.

ChiJoker says:

WGH states that foreigners "corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution."

I'm going to guess that (1) you are not from here and either (2a) have not been in the region or (2b) never stayed long, so let's walk through this slowly:

Prostitution was here long before any Westerner stepped ashore in Asia, and it is difficult to consider foreigners as much of a contributor to this pre-existing marketplace since the increase of buyers they represent is miniscule as a percentage of the market.

Conversely 'moral values' - whatever that means, but I'll just assume you are overlaying the classical paradigm here - exist hardly at all outside of the deeply rooted Confusion model of role playing. A cursory glance at recorded history in the region, a history unpolluted by Western influence until relatively recently, will bear this out.

Foreign constructs such as morals, justice, equal rights, democracy - all these imaginary patterns are transposed by the newcomers upon a much simpler arrangement of power guiding everything. Whether the power come from military, economic, or other, it all amounts to justification of purpose. I have found this to be true throughout East Asia and Southeast Asia.

So WGH, much less concerned am I for the poor Asians who are imaginarily brutalized by the West. I am much more fearful that tourists such as yourself will suddenly discover the real result of the shifting poles in the world and wake up to the New Asian Century with a jolt. You will soon discover those same nations as world powers and that you sadly misunderstood them.

Setting aside prostitution, which somehow changes the dynamic of all conversation, let's drive to the heart of the matter:

How much is a human life worth in the West?
How much is it worth in Asia?

If you think you know the answer to both, I'd suggest you stay on in SE Asia for a while, because it will surely surprise you.

Having said that, everyone has the capacity for good and evil, and many wonderful people exist everywhere. However, does you believe that the underlying political system used by 90%+ of the world will be restructured to please a very small navel-gazing liberal leisure class (a statistically insignificant group representing an cyst on the otherwise lean,ferocious body of humankind) living thousands of miles away?

The only way change like that could be achieved in the region is through force (power), and that wouldn't really change anything, would it?

Mother Terrisa says:

@WGH (Westerner Go Home by any chance?)
I note your comment: “westerners..take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thai can not..”
How many Thai guys are interested in a skint, brown country bunny with fatherless children to support who are basically one step away from being gypsies?
Fortunately for these lovely creatures there are a lot of westerners willing to step in where their whiskey swilling ex left off.

One mans trash is another mans treasure

MrLucky says:

OK, WGH is a myopic idiot. That's established (yawn).

Regarding the issue of foreigners' worn-out welcome, it seems obvious to me why we've been faulted for all the country's ills: we're an easy target.

When a politician needs to divert media attention away from his own failure and corruption, he needs a nice fat scapegoat - someone to blame that preferably doesn't cause any Thai to lose face. We're made-to-order. They can lay the blame without even losing a vote.

It's gone on for decades but, now, with the pseudo-government rapidly running out of feet to shoot, they need a scapegoat even more. Once again farangs prove their usefulness.

anon says:

Fuck Thailand.

Sorry.

I'm here with my American wife and children- so I'm not interested in "taking" the local women. If they want to cut off there nose to spite their face, that's up to them.

More money or less money? Up to you.

Mr Klip says:

Well, you know, I mean, who really cares ? You gets down to Thailand, pays yer money, has yer phun, gi' us a laugh guvnor. Thing is, lot of farangs in Thailand from the freaky dorky dark side. Plenty of hicks and social misfits, even if well qualified and well paid. Bottom line is it ain't our country and nobody makes us go or live there. So, quit bitching folks, I have always found Thais ok, but then I am always light hearted and up for a laugh. Thais get bad press from foreigners trying to apply their own value systems to a foreign culture. What a joke.

Prufrock says:

Ya know, Mr. Klip, as a guy living here, working among the professional classes, *earning more money than I can fucking spend*, Oi'd hafta 'gree wif ya. Dey gits narsty whin d'ere roiled up doh, innit?

Izzy Einstein says:

Funny how the majority of replies here are so overly busy trying to refute WGH's initial contribution. He must have hit the spot somehow.
When WGH says that rejects from the West come to Thailand to pick up beautiful women he is right. Sure, the women may not be beautiful from an upper class Thai point of view, but for the Isarn labourer she might have been a desirable wife (not all Isarn women in relationships with Westerners have children or several relationships behind them).
Similarly, some Thais from humble backgrounds study and work hard to get an education. They might still only be earning somewhere between 15-20,000 THB after all their hard work. This puts them at a disadvantage compared with the middle-aged Scandinavian guy claiming state benefits due to some minor disability. He can come in and scoop up some of the most desirable Thai property while the indigenous Thai can just look on knowing that no matter how hard he works these Western "rejects" will always beat him on the housing market.
WGH's post seems quite sensible and reasonable but of course some people like to live in Fairy-land and think that their presence in Thailand is the best thing since some other Western guy (probably) taught Thais how to use a spoon and fork.

Khunying Juwanna Umphmeenao says:

Have we worn out our welcome in Thailand?

Yes

Anonymous says:

"I think I'm going to puke. Spend some time in Pattaya visiting the various male and female expat clubs that raise money and do good for the Thais and you will learn what you do not know. These wonderful expats are not rejects but winners; and they donate their time and their money and their winning ways to the Thais. What they receive in return is the knowledge that they have done a civic thing.

Rejects? The entry requirements of some of these expat clubs would be a hill too steep for you to climb. Save this high school drivel for those in the old country who have never applied for a passport. It does not belong on a website such as this."

Roaming the streets and beaches of Pattaya, one must be blind not to notice the ubiquitous signs of charity from the farang saviours that you speak of!

Normal Person says:

Conan says:

Maybe if the Thai men treated their women better then they would have a chance.

This is not my opinion I mearly speak on behalf of my female friends who have complained to me on many occassions.
______________

Obviously, you've great information sources on whose opinion you dismiss roughly 50% of the populace of this country.

Union Hill says:

"Khunying Juwanna Umphmeenao says:

Have we worn out our welcome in Thailand?

Yes"

I have to agree with the lady. But wearing out our welcome is one thing, getting rid of us is another. Oh sure, some of us will pack up and go home but some of us won't. Worse still, some us can't and even worse again, some us just have nowhere else to go.
Can't throw us all off the roof of a Pattaya hotel however tempting that solution might sound.

bulb says:

@ Einstein

" not all Isarn women in relationships with Westerners have children or several relationships behind them "

Mate , I bet they have hundreds or more " relationships " behind them.

Prufrock says:

Anonymous warns us, before replying in to Dana's suck-up testimonial and tribute to Pattaya's philanthropic classes:

"I think I'm going to puke. . . Roaming the streets and beaches of Pattaya, one must be blind not to notice the
ubiquitous signs of charity from the farang saviours that you speak of!

Yep, that and most everything this twisted egomaniac comes up with inspires the same reaction among us good folk in the expat community.

Pattaya is without a doubt, a sociological, ethnic, biological and now that this creep lands there more or less whenever he needs to seek refuge from his scramble in the rubble of Boston's crashing real estate market, Pattaya is an inter-species Petrie dish of complete and utter depravity.

Fruit Batman says:

Khunying Juwanna Umphmeenao

How much do you charge, love?

Conan says:

One important fact always seem to be left out of these discussions and that foreign aid to Thailand has contributed a LOT to the overall development of Thailand. What bast**d farangs we are.

For example from the Australian Governemt website www.ausaid.gov.au we get:-

Australia has supported Thailand's development for over 50 years, since providing the first educational scholarships to Thai students. Historically, Australian aid has largely concentrated on developing Thailand's infrastructure and rural sectors, but has evolved over the last decade in response to Thailand's economic development to focus on governance and regional trans-boundary issues.

In November 2003, the Royal Thai Government publicly expressed its wish to move away from being an aid recipient. As a result, Australia's development cooperation with Thailand was reduced significantly in 2004-05.

50 years of foreign aid - I think that alone deserves some respect and that is only from my country.

kwai mai sabai says:

I don't fault Thailand for wanting to preserve its history and culture. I'm getting freaked out myself by the proliferation of American culture in Thailand. 7-11s on every block. McDonalds, Pizza Hut, KFC and all the other fast-food outlets. 10 years ago I hardly ever saw a fat local except for maybe a senior police or army general. Now I'm seeing more fat thai children every day. Could it be their diet?
Personally I liked Koh Samui better before the streets were paved and the big chain hotels started moving in.

Dicer says:

Lots of interesting comments.

WGH,

Thailand is an a moral nation - excepting the dharma minority. There is no morality to corrupt. Thais have so much captured the balancing good and evil act as a perpetual game of seesaw.

"Nobody gives a toss about rich Arabs in Mayfair." - CEF

The UK is an enlightened country. All the rich Arabs and Russian Oligarchs transforming the face of central London are one by one getting their UK citizenship and are being subsumed into the paternalistic Norman world. It's only the other day that Ken Livingstone - that raving loony - echoed my idea of making these guys patrons of the art and social life in London. Give them the credibility they crave in return for their sponsoring stuff. You can also say that the Polish cleaners and Baltic labourers, Pinoy nurses and countless others who are well heeled in the UK - as older Saxons leave for warmer climes - are becoming citizens and settling. Which is good. Let the gendarme across the channel antagonise foreigners and the Germans mistreat Turks, the UK is headed in the right direction. Now I know, your average Saxon grumbles at having so many filthy foreigners but the economy and vibrancy of the country speaks for itself.

"the Blacks now look down on the Poles in a Johnny come lately fashion. More amusing than pernicious." - CEF

That maybe. A generation down the road though the Poles will be subsumed into the Saxon majority just as the Huguenot Jews who arrived at the east end of London did a century ago while the 3rd and 4th generation Indians and Africans would still be left across the racial fault lines. This is an unavoidable fact.

"As for the Thailand. Each example of the latent xenophobia in Bangkokian Chinese Thais I see just reminds me that if Laos, Burma, Cambodia or Malaysia dropped off the map tomorrow it wouldn't even make it past the 2nd dish of Som Tam conversation in Thailand, then consider the the boderline revulsion they have for Khon Isan and Khon Thai Dai people. Remarkable isn't it?" - CEF

I was there when the emotive and chaotic Khmers burnt the Thai embassy in Phnom Penh a few years ago. Then again you find visiting Thais in their fake gucci shades sneering at Khmers and telling them its all theirs at Ankhor Wat. There is so much neighbours can take after all. The ghost of Phibun is around.

" think I'm going to puke. Spend some time in Pattaya visiting the various male and female expat clubs that raise money and do good for the Thais and you will learn what you do not know." - Dana

Very true Dana. Several of my acquaintances in Pattaya spend their days feeding soi dogs, or helping orphans or supplying stuff to schools. They are met with a lot of derision and rudeness but they dont do it for gratitude. They do it to feel good about themselves. Ditto up north. And mind you, these are not bible bashers but your average foreigners who go out drink and chase birds just like any tourist.

"How many Thai guys are interested in a skint, brown country bunny with fatherless children to support who are basically one step away from being gypsies?" - Mother Teresa

..and

"Plenty of hicks and social misfits" - Mr Klip

foreign misfits and local mutants is it not? I can never say this enough times.

"Similarly, some Thais from humble backgrounds .. might still only be earning somewhere between 15-20,000 THB ..compared with the middle-aged Scandinavian guy claiming state benefits due to some minor disability [who can] scoop up some of the most desirable Thai property while the indigenous Thai can just look on" - Izzy Einestein

Is this really true Izzy? In Chiang Mai there were hundreds of Moo Baans that were built and empty until some clever chaps in property companies came up with the clever idea of not helping foreigners form shell companies to buy houses but the property company leasing it out for 99 years as opposed to the direct legal person to person 30 years. All the moo baans were lapped up and consequently the banks got their payments. There is now a lot more employment for Burmese maids and servants, work for material suppliers, labourers and the CM locals are awash with money. And of course the bkk cafe and Honda Jazz culture arrived here too. A multiplier effect of course.

Also I'm not sure if the housing development aimed at foreigners and mainstream Thais is in the same market. Anway I have illustrated in detail below exactly what happend with one particular housing development in bkk.

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BORAT, CHAYAPOUM THE WAVES AND THE PSYCHOSIS WALTZ

I know I have said way too much about the German amputee infecting ninety something Chayapoum teenagers. One reason I found the story very symbolic at the time was an interview run by a journalist I personally know who went to one of the schools and started asking the girls. Most said it was ok to sleep with an old German amputee for 3,000 baht. When asked if they'd sit and drink coffee with a farang man for nothing...say for friendship most said not likely. At the time my astonished friend did a basic story and related the rest of his notes to me and I picked up on it. Even after rumor was spreading in the town that the old farang was sick girls kept sleeping with him just because they did not want to miss out.

Mindless swarm life!

Beyond that though how they - yes they - have regressed to a base amoral level that defies all common sense is what got my attention, not the obviously monstrous acts of the kraut. And their response that sharing a coffee with a farang is icky while getting fucked for 3,000 pieces of nickel is normal was truly remarkable.

As for the foreigners:

http://www.amazon.com/Homo-Ludens-Player-
Historias-History/dp/8420635391/ref=sr_1_2/
103-6578626-9907008?ie=UTF8&s=books&
qid=1176241195&sr=1-2

This extension to luden bubble where you actually narrate your own psychosis out loud by saying: "ok I can screw any girl, hell even the whole village in Chayapoum, and behave as I please because I don’t have any points of reference here," and break all the rules at every turn reveals your state of mind...... the Japs went around reducing Koreans into sex slaves and doing despicable things...and yanks in Vietnam. From your ordinary repressed tourist in Phnom Penh becoming unhinged to soldiers in Iraq (with their head banger music on as they tutut the M-16) the ultimate conclusion in a luden bubble can be to becoming totally unhinged or end up laughing and screaming about how good it felt infecting them with HIV. I remember a certifiably insane German who lives in Pai. He was on loony welfare and they let him live in Thailand - what a wise thing for the Germans eh. Eeveryone in Pai knew him. You wouldn’t know he was nuts until he had a bit of a drink and started shouting and screaming and even fighting with the locals. It was amazing. He'd regularly end up in the police station and even the cops knew yet tolerated him. They'd say go take your medication and off he went on his big dirt bike. Sure even this certifiable is playing too.

Whose reality is it anyway?

How far has Thailand come from being a collection to Ayutthaya villages to being hateful ping pong masters of a Phibun-esque superior people?

This is the pack Chihuahua land. The military pack going alpha prepared to kick out the marginal dogs. Behind the current anti foreign sentiments is the ubiquitous Sulak Shivaraksa, the phobically anti foreign ideologue of the officer classes who wants a moral state and is adored and followed by many upcountry people. I first learned about Sulak weeks after I arrived in LOS from a female colleague who was nearly raving mad pro military after a summer college term visit to a camp. I mentioned Sulak and she got purple in the face until she realised I was saying I agreed with him most the time. Then she explained how the military follow him. Since then I've even seen Sulak in a seminar.

KARR SULAK AND THE DEFACTO VISA SYSTEM

The funny thing is that most of these xenophobes are - like Phibun himself - foreign 'educated.' As we know now, behind the visa changes were a few really terrible cases of farang on the loose like the Karr guy and finally one of the blinking moles like Sulak came out the ground and spotted something like the naked Kiwi I saw in a Chiang Mai bar. Now up the ante and have these guys beating up old ladies or the like and you get the Thais freaking out. This pushed them to end so-called grey migration, mostly from Europe the US and Japan, and turfing out a growing criminal fraternity. How did this state of affairs ground to a sudden halt? Well, it didn't. Right before the coup, after three years of mulling it over, the govt announced that it would only allow foreigners without visas to visit for no more than a cumulative three months in any six month period. This was a typical Thai reaction to a defacto open for all tourist visa system that had to be amended. For people who have no future thinking at all an unplanned and unphased knee-jerk reaction is a way of dealing with life. There was not a single specific law that allowed tourist visa stamp holders to stay in Thailand with a mandatory one day per month trip to the border. In fact how it happened is simply an accident that most either do not remember or don't care to consider: in 1995, to encourage longer stays by package tourists, the govt doubled the stay without a visa from 15 to 30 days which later helped prop up tourism just as the 97 crisis was biting. Shortly after Cambodia opened its borders with Thailand to foreign tourists. When Buma also opened its border it was the birth of the visa run. Let us not forget the internet, cheap mobile, hooker farms, boiler room dud stock trade all fed into this undocumented community of 50,000 to 80,000 people living on the monthly stamp. Most of these people spend at least 30,000 baht per month on rent, meals, beers and more on hookers, which puts them in the highest earning Thai group. However there is undoubtedly more crime committed by foreigners. It is only inevitable that the govt would tighten the screws to stem the tide. Again it is not something that is done with foresight and study but as always is a reaction to a problem they did not see coming.

NARAI'S VERDICT

This really brings us back to the Thai psyche and history. Was editing work about Falcon a while ago, which is re Gerakis or Phaulkon the famous foreign minister of K Narai. What has seared in the understanding of foreigners is in the late 1600's Narai brought in the 4 famous families to run the country: Mon, Chinese, Persian and Indian plus a Greek as Foreign Minister and get this, a French guy who was governor of BKK. And the French army training the Siamese. Hence to go from port to Ayutthaya you had to pass the French. Really weird! And all the time the central Thais and Lao writhing in hatred just like they are today.

They never reached THAT realisation that certain things are not done. Nothing, I MEAN NOTHING successfully punctures the well heeled and superbly intact belief that an outsider is an outsider and to be pooped at - even a current princess' farang ex hubby was pooped at - and so too was the Greek advisor of Narai. EXCEPTIONS jolt you into momentarily freezing or allowing you to pass through without the usual checks and this happens out of shock more than anything else. Some like Narai's Greek got burnt, others did well.

So the visa rules chatter could be improvised, with me doing the usual recital of how King Narai was the real visa culprit diatribe in a soft History Channel narrative to background Ayutthaya warcrys and bongos and a footage of a Greek being executed.

REALITY FROM JALAN BURMA

Now get this cross-over-into-reality. At one time I am at Midland Mall on Jalan Burma in Penang. I was looking for gym stuff. In the far corner was a chap who is a head and two hands coming out of shoulder sockets and no body, maybe feet somewhere in a wheelchair. He waves wildly to me and wants to shake hands - or digits as it might be. So he wants to chat and what is he reading, a tiny bible. What exactly is he reading? Luke 14:29 and so he reads out loud to me the oddest part extant in the New Testament. I offer to buy the little pen packs he has for 5 RM and we shake hands again. Now I could have invited him to be fiction but that isn't necessary. I mean the chap is a banner for Maya Is Real, believe in the Buddha. Two hours later there was another nutter named Jenny. I leave Gurney Plaza and spend half an hour at the Sila Bertur. At the Taxi rank pops the only lady, orange reddish dyed hair, a Beatles cap and funny black but harmless shark eyes. Yes, she is the only lady driver. She inherited the cab from her dad who died, and she asks how I like her driving? Grand I say a bit worried as she tried to impress on me that she is the only fast driver in Penang. So we get close to the hotel but not close enough - construction in front of the Oriental. Around she goes in a circuitous route. Nope just across the street. Nope, off she goes again. Five times she loops around Penang Road to get it right and won't give up. Too fast to jump out I might add. She ends cheerily that she knows the singer at the Waldorf down the street and I can mention her name. I get her card. I think if she'd been in Singapore she would have had the Hokkien licence to be grim. She might have seemed demented to begin with and later looping the road. But she surprisingly went on a fascinating talk on local gods and Chinese gamboling. Before I got out of the taxi she said one moment and opened the glove box. She pulled out the dream-numerology betting book with Tepi Kung on the cover. And added that with the ever present tension in the Malay-Chinese world the Hokkien have to look outside for inspiration and regeneration which is something you won't find in Thailand. Now there was no chance that the chummy bkk cabbies could do a lecture of this sort unless of course goaded into it. But the point is what she said in the end. TENSION. Tension creates stress and stress makes people look for different avenues.

So later I figured at some point I would conspire with the bible reading nut to do the first Pata-crime in Penang: sneak around pre dawn to Tao temples and replace the 1.50 RM gambling books with pata inspired ones and a new numbering, Egyptian hieratics of course. The result will be 354 people will win the same lottery and there will be a Hokkien uprising. Could I run a similar scheme in Thailand? Unlikely.

I can of course design an amulet!

http://www.jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
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Before I left Penang another Hokkien taxi driver gave me a lecture about how the Hokkien Malay dynamics work at a big local bank. Chinese did the banks so the gov stepped in and gave the presidency to Malays. They are rubber stamps of course. The Chinese do all the work and get the big salaries, same in everything and hence they have an eye on migration. The definitive opinion is that the Malays cannot run the country or the economy and are playing games cheating the Chinese.

All this brings me back to The Falcon book about 17th century Siam. Phaulkon is not good at all, clumsy and poorly done but does remind one of what Siam is was and will be: a defensive bunch of nobobers. King Narai was wheeling and dealing with Japs, Malays, Persians, French, Dutch and Brits. Siam metamorphosed into a very interesting international place. However that gave the Siamese a long time to really dislike outsiders without being able to fight them off. All along since Narai they've had someone there to hold their hand. They then decided to go Chinese. The final joke on top is that the post Phibun snit has them swaggering around like they are all whacked to the gills culture experts until the plug is pulled. As I said to Somchai earlier until you call them upon that assumed "ARE YOU THAI LIKE US?" silly defence.

I'm always looking at these from different angles. Concerning the nooDEN army one can say this: after many years or so of people creeping around calling you barbarian bird poop or giving you the old sneer you get the right to be a bit suspicious of the entire bunch. Keep in mind that in the highlands of Guatemala my best friend was Tec Sux a shaman, and in North Africa I hanged out with tough Berber pals, Mexican buddies, amigos in the Philippines. People from all walks of life and all countries but only in Thailand do you have to go through the Phibun Snit. This sours one like a bar of soap sitting in your milky Kellogg in the morning. Know what I mean? A few more years and people will just look you in the eyes and run. It's really amazing how these chaps can march around confident that they have it over on us. One can retort by suggesting that the Mexicans, Pinoys or Berbers are the same. I'd disagree. Mexicans can be a funny bunch but snitty and chippy they are not. Berbers can be viciously violent but if you unassumingly approach them they may like you and you can get on with them without a defensive fearful veneer of smile that hides their utter contempt for you - well they don't have it!

DECORATION

At Siam University two foreign teachers who were usually excluded even from the canteen and told to eat in the janitor and cleaner room - because they are foreigners - were given nice gowns and invited to a graduation ceremony. Back to Thais using people. The farangs get excited and don their gowns for the big day. A couple of us at a govt office are sent letters of invitation too. We just did our stuff. They made a huge deal of it. We had to go get special made gowns and we actually were forced to go to the graduation ceremony and sit together like a bunch of monkeys on the stage RIGHT behind the podium. We asked each other what on earth is this show? And who was at the podium passing out diplomas? Why General Prem of course. And who was right behind him half asleep? Four of us. This was PR and camera right on us: LOOK LOUSY SIAM U ACTUALLY HAS FARANG TEACHERS. The reality was that only two guys with us taught there, part time. And I knew nothing about the university! Once the ceremony was over and tea and biscuits were handed out we were disposed of like overused sanitary towel.

POCKETS OF KOREANS, INDIANS AND INSANE LAO

Thailand and esp. bkk is still a fascinating place to observe. Years ago when I was living in a condo in bkk that had no retired people but was full of working Indians and Koreans who lived their own way I used to find it fascinating to observe them. Last week before I left for the UK I went to see a neighbour who still lives in the condo complex. In the lift there is a case for all to read of a Korean in one of the other towers who had a fight with his wife and decided to end it by setting their apartment on fire. Apparently the two near dead bodies were dragged out in time. Then my mate updates me that last month it was another Korean who tried to flood his room with a fire hydrant so as to drown the whole family. I suggested fights with Lao girls and I was corrected that there were no tarts and hookers in the building, just Koreans and Indians and a few working farang, pretty much the same since I left it except now the Koreans looked tough and unlike most South Koreans they did not speak any English. They are cold and funny. I hit it right on the head with this:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/
04/07/thailand_a_destination_for_n_koreans/

All couples and in their 40s and fight. There is not a go-go sao in the entire 8 towers. All Korean couples, Indian couples and a few farang who are married to farang. Not retired men or bar punters in sight.

I was amazed by how much things had changed. I suggested to my mate a few beers and I run to the grocery to get it. On the way I did a detour to a few floors and came at a wide open room where someone had gone at the parquet floor with a pick axe. You should have seen the damage. Why would Koreans go totally bonkers in a riverside condo? Or more to the point, why would the Thais put up with this? Symbolism there. Poor devils trampling each other.

In addition to fighting Korean couples we have the arranged marriage Indians...Ahmed's - my mate's neighbour - 17 year old sister is married and has a kid. We run into this very depressed but pretty Guajarati woman who looked lost. Ahmed of course sneaks into my mate’s apartment to have a few beers and a chat.

So what happened in this microcosm of a bkk hive labyrinth is this:

I can't remember how long the condo manager has been there but a long time. I think what happened is Hokkien Tom who went to school in Alabama - the Chinese have this uncanny ability to pick out great locations for child education - was hired in 1997 to rescue a brand new condo development that included 8 towers. They were trying to sell just as economy crashed. So they had to make a deal. No Japs to pay 180,000 a month you see. They took what they could get...Tom increased sales girls from 4 to 40, then told them they had to sell 4 units a month (not the usual one) or be fired. He then increased the % and everyone went nuts. The takers it turns out were Indians and Koreans. Everyone I am sure found out that you cannot f*** around with these two penny-pinching bunches of people. If it had been farang or Japs, my old apartment would be 55,000 and the Kraut down the corridor would pay 100,000 like everyone else in BKK but about 1000 Koreans moved in and took over every vacant place. The whole block was doomed to low standards. What could they do? At the onset everyone was just glad they got it going. When Tom came in it was 100% disaster and the banks and owners were going crazy. No cash and No people...disaster...now they are stuck with that deal. This is what I love about Koreans: If you cheat a farang they just get their tail between their legs and sulk. Koreans will race in your office and punch the daylights out of you, women included... I remember the mean Korean lady dragons. An abrupt surprise to cheating Thais and Chinese. The Koreans gang up. There were easily a 1000 when I lived there years ago. Now it’s double that number and many have that weathered look only a starved policeman in Pyongyang would have. One run in with Koreans and it is never again for the Thais. When I mentioned Koreans to the locals they would not even discuss it. Perfecto! The Koreans have on my follow up visit blown all the pretence Asian stuff right out the window. To make it better they make it clear they look down on Thais. And then the Koreans come in drunk, piss on the walls and shout. The Thais of course can't be bothered. At the pool Korean guys do laps so hard and fast it is scary. I never saw a Thai in the pool. The Indian on the other hand ladies lumber in their lack of will to exercise.

Years ago I saw all these people and I thought wow... really Blade Runner city! Takes a while to figure out this reality. At first very cautious as they have the rules and they don't fiddle around with you in a kind of latent hostility on the staff, but the Korean joy and freedom hits the Lao nannies who start to act like real people. It must be contagious. So maybe, I said to myself, after living a couple of months in the condo, maybe I will start to swagger around and wear a T shirt with I love S Korea emblazoned on it and a turban and seek out an Indian arranged marriage...

This time round different planet and different reality, nothing Thai about this place. The tone is Confucian but the matrix is out of control Lao. On top of this ready to fight Koreans and Hindus violating all condo rules. For example they have these little gates with do not enter here signs and the Indians come right over them every day. Then there is a Thai foot pool for coming in or out of the pool area. Indians walk over in ignoring all the Confucian stuff and again to mandate the Confucian ideas are fat Lao ladies. Everything is a complete mess but AS MOST THINGS THAI IT BALANCES OUT. Calm to a degree and rolling along. That Narai legacy is to be found everywhere.

In the cab going to the airport a few days later it hit me that kinos and audies will immediately try to form a stasis tribe or area. They are neurally driven to settle at the 6-8 year old level or the 11-12 Confucian communist Sung thing. Thais and Thai Chinese once settled in do NOT want to change and will fight tooth and nail to stay right where they plopped. Could be in a forest, a desert or a slum it is the same. What has happened historically is when the Raj rolled in for the Indians the stasis was forever broken. Ditto for the Koreans when knocked around by Chinese and Japs. Thus these folks were forced to re assess. Like it or not this gave them a unique look at self which is impossible with me only me first people. Stasis broken, look around. The thais didn't experience this. Narai shielded them from it by bringing in foreign lords who manage but not mix with the peasants. The japs experienced it intuitively and esp. after Commodore Perry arrived and later the Prussians and British helped them to become the little Asian "masters."

Whether in Narai's Thailand or a bkk condo complex of 2007 you find a different thought level, a kind of more expanded awareness in people who got jolted out of 50,000 BC or 1200 Sung dynasty stasis. Thais are struggling in this context. And the struggle gets harder every year, not easier.

NotAnyBangkok RelatedWebsite.com says:

@Conan: Germany too has been donating some of my tax Euros to the Kingdom for many years now. I believe their engagement will also be winding down in a couple of year's time.

King Prawn says:

Prufrock writes:

'...among us good folk in the expat community.'

Ha ha. There are no good folk in the expat community. I've been here 20 years and I am still a rat!

'Pattaya is an inter-species Petrie dish of complete and utter depravity.'

Ha ha! Then why is it so popular?

Justify your comments Prufrock! In less than 50 words because you do ramble...

Rich says:

If there were one or two web sites, let alone the veritable tidal wave of hard core XXX, racist threads and personal blogs that so miserably disrespected me and my countrymen & women back in the my own country, I'd say such a group had outstayed their welcome, wouldn't you?

And without demand, there would be no supply. Who visit's these sites? Many's the time I've witnessed the boarish drunks with spider veins exploding forth from their Rumpole-like noses and bad comb-overs who suddenly think they've taken a handsome pill, and pinching a girl's ass in a shopping center is 'flirting'! He's just one strain. The varieties of antisocial misfits is way too long to list. We've all seen them - generally travelling in two's or three's - and unsurprisingly so have the Thais. Welcome to T'land.

I can't count the times that I've buried my face in my hands discovering that one is from my country. I'd stake my life on it that we've all cringed and then heaved a huge sigh of relief when one of these turkeys ends up being British/Dutch/German, or American; anything, so long as we didn't breed filthy pigs like that 'in our country'.

I digress. To repeat, have a look at how farangs are represented in the most public of forums; visit the likes of John T. Bone and dozens of other smut sites - and READ the copy. You needn't crawl the porn sites - Google a few other Thai-pointing web sites and blogs [It would defeat the purpose of this rant if I posted any URLs and gave them traffic]. This is what we are judged on sadly. Now, put the shoe on the other foot - if a crass minority acted like this in our own back yard, we'd set the dog on them and send them packing. The other guests - myself being one of them - would be pleased to see them go.

As well might the Thais. Rich

KT says:

Surely all the 100,000+ Thais currently living in Los Angeles are law abiding citizens.

Charles Edward Frith says:

The day a Thai celebrity adopts a Cambodian or Vietnamese child as Angeline Jolie has done is a long way away. Charity does after all begin at home.

So does racism.

I'm Thai says:

Hey Anon, I consider it is rude that you wrote here 'FUCK THAILAND', because if you chose to stay in THAILAND with your AMERICAN WIFE , so you should respect the country. Because if somebody say 'FUCK AMERICA' how you and your AMERICAN WIFE would feel ?

* *
And whoever wrote in this article about 'the IDIOT swiss guy', I think it is not about SWISS because it is probably another IDIOT nationalities too ! For Christ's sake !

Me says:

Oh, stop it. We didn't "wear out our welcome" at all.

Thai authorities are finally officially doing something about the "visa-runners", foreign Baht speculators and conning foreign company set-ups in a bid to keep up the economy (export) in a self-supporting way and wash out the farang/foreign riff-raff. Thats all. Really. And thats all positive, they seem to have learned from the 1997 crisis. Quality will remain. Not Quantity.

If you feel so threatened, you got some reason to fear, dontya...

SPQR_US says:

Don't worry all this sniveling is temporary.

Luckily for us Americans; Thais signed the treaty of Amity and it remains in full affect. Most Thai lawyers are cluesless though and lump Americans in with every other westerner.

This treaty allows among other things for us to buy a full rai of land in our own names and to own several real properties outright. There are also major rights for large corporations beyond just the little stuff most of us are interested in.

Again most Thai lawyers try to convince you that this isn't so...nevertherless it is(hire a good one). Essentially it also gives Thais the same business & property rights in America as we Americans have in Thailand. The Thais use this treaty more in America than we use it in Thailand. Suspending American rights in Thailand would result in catastrophic losses to the upper crust of Thailand and would probably crash Thai banks. So...I wouldn't be running around pissing myself just yet fellas.. ;-)

If this treaty were to be vacated by the Thais then I'd say there was something to worry about. Thais are heavily invested in the US and europe so before you all start peeing your pants consider that the the last time they really went hog wild nationalizing everything and kicking the white devils out was when they were made to accomadate the Japanese. After the war they turned to the US for help in fending off English and French claims for those countries' (English-French) stuff that got clipped during the war by the Thais. Deals were made and they've been strengthened since then many times. What you are seeing now is just a puppet show, don't worry about it.

If the current group terminates its treaties then that would be cause for concern. All we have now is a group of administrators scratching around for some legitimacy. The elections are coming soon, don't worry about the smoke and mirrors for now.

MrLucky says:

Good question I'm Thai.

Here's the answer - you can go ahead and say, "fuck America." Plenty of people say it and, hell, I can see their point sometimes.

The difference is we don't get our panties in a bind when someone criticizes us, because we're not quite as blindly nationalistic and xenophobic as you. But then you probably take that as a compliment....

Now, back to the original issue: If Thais don't like certain types visiting their country, what they need to ask themselves is, "Why don't some other Asian countries have this problem?"

It's not that Thai women are better than Taiwanese, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese (you know that's what they think). Just easier.

They'd best take a close look at their own culture.....with all their Sin Sot and Mia Nois, Thai men TRAINED their women to be prostitutes.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers,

A nation of lying behind each others backs people.

but still great little boxes.

Thaxo

stephane says:

sick of those narrow minded people...
(talking about some who wrote comments here)

Dana says:

Attn: SPQR_US

"This treaty allows among other things for us to buy a full rai of land in our own names and to own several real properties outright. There are also major rights for large corporations beyond just the little stuff most of us are interested in.d"

OK, I know my limits. I have not got Dicer's brains, databank, or stamina; so you are saved a 5000 word letter. But I implore you for your own sake not to follow through on any business, personal or corporate, in the Kingdom based on the above quote. There are no contracts in Thailand with foreigners. Period. Contractual language documents are not contracts. Contracts only exist based on action. Thais do not consider that contractual language documents require reciprocal and equal behavior between themselves and foreign devils. It is all a game to them; and never a game where two people each have a chance of winning.

Road Natzi says:

David,

What a ripper, you've managed to get the keyboards thumping with this one.
The only problem with your story is that it is a load of crap. However, clearly pasted above MGH's & MB's comments, it looks like a 'masterpiece' of art.

Please don't take my above comment as criticism, because it has done exactly what it was designed to do and that is "ENTERTAIN THE CHILDREN" and clearly you have successfully done that.

You raise the issue of "If you were to don Borat's G-string and parade up and down Pattaya Walking Street with a wooden dildo shoved up your arse, they'd welcome you with open arms but, if you try to do anything constructive, they'll pull the drawbridge up." That is nonsense, how in hells name do you expect the Thais to weed out the Borat's of people lining up at the airport waiting for the free 30 day visas.....perhaps we should start checking underwear???? and that's not for skid marks ;-)

You cleverly write, "It seems that farang holidaymakers are welcome here even if they're total maniacs but farang immigrants are not - even if they're fine, upstanding individuals".
Perhaps you meant something about clothing "Seams" because any other was I try to interpret ur comment leaves me scratching my tiny head (the one in my pants).

Some of the other stuff is good, keep up your bizarre ritual, I really enjoy it.

Dicer and Dana, once again thankyou for your interesting comments, well thought out indeed, you both wear an interesting shade of sunglasses, no doubt the very best set of copies you could lay ur hands on for gow-sip gow baht.

Lets face it people, 'Thailand' is not about to cut of their nose despite their face. Hopefully they will just carefully weed out some of the crap that seems to linger around making mess and good on them for doing so. Look at the good ole U S of A, has anyone seen the hoops they hold up for visitors to their cesspool?

Keep cranking away people, you leave me laughing every time I crack out my thai passport and slide into town thru the fast lane.

Of course,if one is referring to thai's not liking the visitors, I guess if you visit any motorcycle taxi stand and survey those hard working individuals, then sure they will tell you how much they hate to see a 'successful farang' marching past with his pretty in toe or any tourist for that matter. But lets face it, when you earn a couple of hundred baht a day blasting around the block on ur ole faithful, only to spend that same money on whisky, card games and cheap HIV sluts at night, what would you expect those boys to say????

The Pollies, or smoke cloud Pollies running around making hype, why would one bother listening to them, its kinda like Johnny howard promising not to sell another utility before an election or billy clinton repeatedly muttering that statement "I did not have sexual relations with that Godzilla" or whatever it was that he said.

Things are just starting to get interesting in Thailand at the present time, I wonder what will happen if somehow the locals manage to vote back in THAKSIN????? I guess one has to be able to run for re-election before one can be another ousted prime minister. I know where my vote is heading, where would all you vote, please don't respond!

Where is good ole CS, whats his take these days or is he busy shagging away in one of thailand's classy establishments?

letmein says:

Too many generalisations, thailand is the largest melting pot of diverse cultures. People visit Thailand too make themselves happy or too seek a better life. As do Thai people who migrate. Everyone deserves a chance for a better life so who is anyone to judge.

qwerty says:

Can you blame them for not wanting you there? All you go for is to take advantage of the local women who have no choice n who they sleep with because pay to sleep with them. You obviously don't go because you respect the people or the culture because you are always slagging the Thais off just because they object to the meat markets that you help perpetuate. You also slag the girls off for being interested in money. What the fuck do you think they are interested in? Your quick wit and repartee, your good looks, you saggy belly or your stylish mode of dress? The sooner the Thais kick you all out the better it will be.

Prufrock says:

Hey Shrimp Dick (What did you call yourself? Tiger Prawn King??)
Why is it always the guys who cut and paste other people's comments and who can't write nor have EVER written 3 lines in their lives who INSIST of perfect first draft presentation in a "shoot from the hip" medium like a blog.

And I WAS being ironic with my "good people" comment but I guess that was a smidge too clever for you after 20 odd years of chasing buffalo butt in Patts.

Like shooting deer on a game farm.

Prufrock says:

Thanks for the information SPQR. Kinda puts a damper on the panic, don't it?

jm says:

WHH says;"
There are too many westerners retiring to Thailand to obtain sex and a cheap lifestyle. They corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution."

Corrupt the moral values of Thais?
I fell off my chair laughing.

Prufrock says:

Why hasn't anyone in all these threads simply made the observation that "prostitution" in all forms and in all cultures is merely a reflection of the pair bonding rituals that exist in these places.

Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's a bore, sometimes it's mundane, sometimes it's magic, sometimes it's a waste of resources and time etc. etc. eyc.

Just like marriage.
But kids come out of it. A "next generation" to piss and moan about it or to run the government, or to make a fortune in plastic flowers or to sell their own sister for a tank of gas for a Honda 360.

We're no better than than. We're no worse than that

Prufrock says:

Hi I'm Thai: I have a Songran project for you.
Why don't you go back to the teacher who taught you English and smash her in the face with a wet newspaper.
Then go to the asshole who funded your school and stole money so that HIS kids wouldn't have to go there and (hmmm, well) use a pool cue on HIS face (two or three shots).
Then Visit the cunt who dropped the big "education" money into HIS hands and use a real American hickory baseball bat on his face. (Piss on him as well if you're feeling festive.)

Now we're getting to the big stuff.
Go to the politician who's telling you that Thais shouldn't sell land to foreigners and spit in his face. (You can tell him that as long as there's a "200% resale to non-Thais" tax in place his argument is pure shit. And anyway it doesn't apply to the Chinese who've been weaseling their way into your country for 500 years.

I could go on there, but you get the idea.

Who keeps the shit in the shithouse??
You do, baby, YOU DO.

somchai says:

my dear farangs,

don't be alarmed and panicked by the silly government and the sentiments of individual journalists.

no need to get all reactionay about it.

we love you here... we really do.

we even put 'we love farangs' signs on our taxis.

you walk down the street, go to a restaurant, or do your daily routines in the land of smiles... how often do you encounter anti-farang sentiments? are there demostrations in the street to kick out farangs? do you get chased down the street, beaten up and told to go home by Thai skinheads?

nope.

why?

cos we love you, babes...

chris says:

thais very racist
but lets be honest weve outstayed our welcome here,bunch of whoremongers we are.

Dicer says:

SPQR_US,

What you said needs correction.

The Amity Treaty conflicts with WTO rules about preferential treatment so the Thais will use that as an excuse to scrap many of the benefits accorded to US citizens by either replacing them with FTA rules or de facto Foreign Business Act B.E. 2542. clauses. For instance there are many restrictions on owning land and involving in various sectors and crucially the treaty is now subject to a minimum investment threshold.

The Ministry of Commerce (MOC) has actually extended the treaty every 90 days. It was previously scheduled to expire on 5 December 2006. Why do they do this? In order to comply with its WTO commitments, Thailand is required either to offer the same privileges as those offered to the US to all WTO members, or to cancel the Treaty. Therefore, although the Treaty has been extended, there is no guarantee that the Thai govt will continue to apply the terms of the Treaty indefinitely. Which is perfect for the Thais as they like to keep their laws very vague, despite too many protestations to the contrary.

Still though the the AER covers over 1,000 American businesses in Thailand with a total investment of about $20 billion. The U.S. wanted the treaty rights granted investors under the AER should be replicated in the bilateral FTA but that was not the case.

The huge BUT according to one source: At present, it is apparent that American nationals can apply for obtaining the privileges under the Treaty of Amity until the expiration of MFN Treatment exemption period or the termination of the Treaty of Amity, whichever occurs first. If the Treaty of Amity is terminated, American nationals who have already used Treaty of Amity privileges, for example in business transactions where the Treaty of Amity permitted a particular structure to be undertaken, such transactions will still be valid. The termination will not be retroactive. However, should the Treaty of Amity be terminated, it may be difficult when an expansion of business is sought.

Do you see now how complicated it all gets? hehe....

Road Natzi says:

Prufrock,

Are you having a crack at me old timer. About the cut and paste thing, you see when i learn a new trick, i just can't help myself ! ;-)

Henry IV says:

Is Prufrock another of Keith Summers' pseudonyms? I notice remarkable similarities in their writng styles.

Tongue Tied Danny says:

kwai mai sabai, you're sitting at a computer but you don't want the Thais to have pavements?

"Oh, Ko Samui was beter before they installed pavements", what tosh, what backpacker bullshit.

Can I point out that Ko Samui is a community, not some ethnic theme park where the people should have to live in primitive conditions just so a bunch of spoilt backpackers can have an authentic travel experience?

No wonder the Thais don't want farangs there when so many of them are moaning about their progress and development.

"preserving their history and culture" is one thing, remaining in the dark ages for the benefit of some trendy farang is quite another.

And why are you "freaked out" about McDonalds and Pizza Hut etc? There are Thai restuarants in the west, why the hell shouldn't there be western establishments in Thailand?

Oh, and 7-11 is Japanese, not American.

Mr Klip says:

My, how us westerners get our knickers in a twist. Myself I think Thailand is great just as it is. Plenty of idiots kidding themselves they've got ' girlfriends ', plenty os ' girlfriends ' scamming the idiots. What do these dumb bunnies really expect ? Thais want you for your money and that is it. They are not interested in your western moral values, preaching, moaning etc. Just a thought.

kwai mai sabai says:

@Tongue Tied Danny:
or Prufrock or D333 or whatever handle you are hiding behind today.
"No wonder the Thais don't want farangs there when so many of them are moaning about their progress and development."
I only lament the pollution that comes with this "progress". The pollution of plastic (humans) and other synthetics.

somchai says:

anon,

would you like to arrange a place to meet up where you can actually say "fuck Thailand" face to face to a Thai, instead of hiding behind a keyboard?

i promise i'll be gentle with you.

let's have ourself a first, bonafide mangosauce smackdown.

Prufrock says:

Road: Can't recall getting upset about this "cut and paste" thing. But I AM getting bored with this somchai dope (Summers) and a few others. Aren't you? Maybe it's time to let them all talk to themselves for a while.
Whaddya think ?

Stromasher says:

Great write up Dave, get the fishes up and biting again, top notch.

LOS, great place but we can only ever be guests, or thats all Ive seen in my time years out this way.

I'll get out the way now, open a beer and wait for the CyberSmackdowns.
Rrrrrumble.

mai chai says:

Prufrog,
Payback is a mofo, init? You exposed yourself for what you really are. A bigot. A big-arsed bigot.
In your rush to condemn somchai you lost the ability to see clearly. See what happens when you (the pack dog) follows the alpha male (Dicer) too closely? You end up with a brown nose. What's the view like from there?
Dicer slags somchai for being an ignorant Thai and he is no more Thai than I am. He's a pale-faced motocy signal-light salesman from Disney World. And then you throw in a few boots to finish him off. And then when I point out this farce to you, you start back-pedalling like crazy while trying to wipe the egg off your face.
I'm going to Mah Boon Krong now to get a T-shirt made up that says "I am not Keith Summers".

Poetic Justice says:

Ha ha...Prufrock got bitch-slapped and he deserves it. What a wanker!!

Even his offer of sex to Road Natzi was rejected.

Boo Hoo hey Pru...

Prufrock says:

@mai chai: Keith, what in the fuck are you on about now?

William Mahanakorn says:

The reality is that foreign direct investment (FDI) and capital inflows into Thailand have overwhelmingly flooded out the small-time economy of having poor farm girls squeeze foreign currency out of the wallets of homeless pensioners, who end up not only pissing in the well, but decomposing in it too, after their last desperate gasps in the Tops Supermarket aisles or on filthy mattresses, clutching bags of cheap pills and bottles of cheaper booze. Leaving behind, of course, crying bar girls and disgusted policemen to clean up the remnants of their lives all in one dirty swipe of the mop.

What you are witnessing is the transition of a service-based "R&R" or "retiree" economy, to a more mature one, capable of maintaining steady growth and low inflation, by attracting foreign capital the old fashioned way: by offering extraordinarily attractive incentives to larger-sized wallets. With China and Thailand (and Vietnam and Malaysia) in the same race, the military wants its share to remain the same.

Say what you will of how Thailand got there, and the current status of "long-time" farang residents, but the truth sometimes hurts. If you've no place to go, I recommend the Pattaya "Last Resort" Tour....the one that makes Doctor Kervorkian's method look downright prudish.

mai chai says:

@Rudefock: No I am not Keith. Just like Dana is not Telemachus. Telemachus is Irish and Dana is from Boston which has a lot of Irish people. But there the similarity ends. You cannot make that leap in logic.
Actually I am KMS. I just wanted to see you chase your tail for a while. Now go away and leave me alone, you yappy little chihuahua!!!

Road Natzi says:

Poetic Justice,

You are a dead set wanker mate, I never recall Prufrock offering me sex, he is a sick man (like myself) but he's not that desperate.

You are reading between the lines too much, you need to get ur hand off it and get back to reality. Ur obviously frustrated because despite holding large amounts of cash in a farangless bar full of desperate thai girls where u still couldn't pull a root, u ugly cunt.

Prufrock is definitely not summers and at least has the balls to go with his own ideas, not just follow some of the pathetic others that are constantly soiling this site.

Don't bother replying, ur in a oblivious place to me and like a few others, I'd like to see my home country rid of vermin like you.

soi_cowboy says:

It so funny when prufrock get bitch sllapped on this forum he blame Keith. You are loser expat.

somchai says:

prufock,

you're tired of me bably?

but me love you time....

keith summers of the world unite!!!

Hillerich N Bradsby says:

Re: "use a real American hickory baseball bat on his face".

Prufrock, for the record, baseball bats are cut from the wood of Fraxinus Americana (ash).

Yours,

The Louisville Slugger

PS - for anyone who thinks Prufrock's Notstickman, he just failed a test any ten year old American kid would ace.

I guess he should be congratulated.

chop_kin_hoi says:

Seems to me like Thailand and the Thais are best left to there own devices. They're never satisfied with anything or any contributions from others and they just have a take take take attitude. So bugger them let them be the backwater they already are. Take your money and business/tourism to more deserving/welcoming countries!

D333 says:

Ailing Buffalo,

I post for myself thanks....D333 is not Prufrock or Tongue Tied Danny either.

Poetic Justice says:

Road Natzi, pull ya tongue out of Prufrock's ass will ya...and when you've done that, go down the chippy and get me a take-away you fuckin' muppet.

Mr Klip says:

Seems to me that westerners came over to Thailand, introduced the little cherubs to the delights of capitalism.Now posters here don't seem to like what we , to a large part, created. That's the trouble with these darn foreign cultures, they take western notions, attitudes and concepts and then adapt them to their own cultural 'fit'. How dare they not conform our expectations of them ? How dare they not welcome the flotsam and jetsam of the western world with open arms ? Ah well, never mind, suppose one day we'll all wake up and reallise the world has changed forever and that economic power is moving steadily and irrevocably in an eastward direction. Have a nice day

fbuom says:

Tongue Tied Danny,

The Japanese may own 7/11, but last I checked, the Southland company (franchisor of the brand) was founded about 80 years ago in the Dallas, Texas area. For almost 75 years it remained a US company. It's only been Japanese for 16. Oh, but Southland corporate headquarters is still Dallas.

So, is 7/11 a US brand? Or is it Japanese, now that they control Southland? Would MacDonald's really become Korean if Samsung bought controlling interest?

My point, by the way, is much like Kwai Ma Sabai's - perhaps too much 'Merkinization of Thailand for our taste.

Rambling on the topic in general

Personally, I'm conflicted. If the Thai want that kind of 'progress' (much like they want the industrialization that has polluted the country), who are we to deny it? Deplore it? Of course. But I'd bet we'd make the same choices in their circumstances, even knowing what we know now.

On the other hand, much like Kwai Mai Sabai seems to imply, I prefer the countries that have retained their own identity. I don't really care for KL, for example. If I look out a window, all I see is LA.

Those who point out the mia noi, the existence of prostitution before the falangs came in waves, the diminuation of the general population by the upper classes make valid points. On the other hand, Thailand will be far better off when the ladies of Isaan can make enough money working at the Samsung/Toyota/Boeing plant than in Cowboy, Nana, Patpong, Pattaya, Patong or other popular sexpat hangouts.

In short, keeping the country 'simple' has nostalgic appeal for many, including me. It's not best for the population as a whole, and perhaps not comfortable for the farang who live there.

fbuom

Prufrock says:

Oy, Poetic: Isn't it about time you get over to "-" dentist and 'ad that nagging periodontal problem taken care of? Them teeth, boy. Them louverly fecking fetid, smegma-couvered teeth of yers :-) . . .
they be black-rotted out bye the roots na innit? Ya must be in a terrible pain, lad.
Or will it be back to the mushy peas n'mash, then, or the greasy pies or whatever else you fausty-breathed fecking bullet-headed shitty-arsed fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees from Broke-Ass-on-Fecking D'ole are jammin' into those lizard-lipped pie-holes in your stupid fecking tatooed faces these days :-)

Road Natzi says:

Pathetic Justice says:

"Road Natzi, pull ya tongue out of Prufrock's ass will ya...and when you've done that, go down the chippy and get me a take-away you fuckin' muppet"

This is a highly amusing comment out of someone who makes a living out of cleaning out other men's arses by using his tongue.

I know Poetic, your just proud of ur mommy and want to follow her lead.

Poetic Justice says:

I just luuuurve winding up Prufrock and his bitch Road Natzi.

Oh how we laughed...

Loose Cannon says:

What is a "fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees?"

SPQR_US says:

Hi Dana & dicer,

Thank you for the kind advice, I respect both of you and have been reading your posts on several sites for a while.

I was just mentioning because of the treaty the Thais won't do too much to impinge American interests, especially given their fits of worry over China's new economic power.

Thais are right to worry about too much foreign control as every nation state should be. Of course there are limits to acceptable levels of paranoia.

It would be economic suicide for the current coup group to suspend that treaty. Sure they will cast around and make some lame extensions and whine about it but at the end of the day; Thailand is a tiny little country (that I love dearly) that can't afford to play with a fire this big and to their credit they know this. If the treaty were suspended and the US lost control of $20 Billion of corporate assets the Thai economy would crash worse than in 1997 only this time Uncle Sam & the G8 would let them rot. I'm sure some of these guys would love to scrap that treaty but they know better. They know that as much as they want to prance around and make little nothing statements and extensions that they are in no position to get away with that in the current global economic reality. Thais are control freaks about internal trade. They need foreign trade and investment not just in Thailand these guys also invest heavily overseas as well. Check your history to see what happens to a county's national assets in the US when they fuck us over like this...ha ha...

Of course they would soon also be forced to give all of it back in short order as they were after WWII which was the last time they pulled a stunt like that. Then the US came to their aid and entered into several economic agreemetns with them. Had it not been for the US, the British & French governments would have exacted a much heavier price from Thailand. While it's true about; "what have you done for me lately" Thailand would be left with few dancing partners and pinched between 2 emerging economic super powers China India with Vietnam hot on their trail as well. All of which are more willing to do business than Thailand. So for my part I am not at all worried about what the thais will do. They will continue acting as they always have, which is fine by me. They will push things right up to the wall but they have always been smart enough (for the last 700 years or so at least) not to pick any fights they can't win. Besides the US loves Thailand and Thailand's gray beards know they need the US for a whole host of reasons. It has been a very very long and mutually beneficial relationship it would be very costly for Thailand to throw that away, especially when you consider the neighborhood they live in...Besides the economic ruin created by such a mistake would force them to give away much much more to try to manage their way out of the depression that thsi would create for them. No they are smarter people than this and I have every faith in Thailand and its lovely people.

On the upside if they did just break the treaty and steal everything; the price of short times and long times would plunge to historic lows.

Grunt says:

"No one likes it when foreigners with money lord it over locals." WGH

You remind me of the typical Russian or Ukranian guy. Not quite comprehending that the day you stop slapping, punching, raping or alternatively ignoring the girls is the day they stop chasing after western guys.

With little miss dicer being a case in point. She was brutalized one time too many by the local boy scout troop, then took up residence in David's id.

Prufrock says:

Mr.Cannon: Regarding "fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees?",
try "foo - bou - yob" Then substitute a "T" for the glottal stop in "foo".

Proceed to the "ouw" vowel sound in "bou" and rather than the customary velar-lingual sonorant "L" substitute the "ouw" grunt and follow it with an "ugh".
This final "ugh" is a visceral utterance of revulsion for the yobbish scouser as 'ee's stummbling oveh t'telly to pugh on na gayme'en, innit.

Yob stands on its own. Yobbial is the adjective we derive from it. -ish was ejected by committee as being to "foreign a sound" and with "yobbial" we were able to gegh (t) bagh (ck) to a full on "L" sound to push the speaker into actually pronouncing a fucking "L."

We have Mick Jagger to blame for aoaw-iss 'en. I will not even go near rhyming slang which is an attempt to showcase various shades of nuance and connotative flexibility available to native speakers of a 1700 word language.

Some of my phonetic renderings may not be 100% accurate and notwithstanding the fact that I come from another part of the planet are my opinions here meant to be in the least bit judgmental.

I just know an idiot when I see one.
We, in the New World, have our own region-specific brand as well. To note the above peculiarities was not in any way meant to imply yobbial exclusivity to the combined curses of laziness, stupidity, simple-mindedness, ignorance, brutishness, alcoholism, obesity, the shaven head as fashion statement, silly team tatts and a proven inability to handle money and women.

divad says:

Canadian Sports Talk:

Haaaagh - Keeeehhhhgh.

lesbian wife in cords and fleece - GONE.

thailand here they come (after watching the haaaagh - keeeehhhhgh)

Loose Cannon says:

I must interject here and correct the posting of the so-called Prufrock. She states:

"...for the yobbish scouser as 'ee's stummbling oveh t'telly to pugh on na gayme'en, innit."

The glottal stop is not part of the Liverpool dialect. It is a pheneomenon exclusive to Lancashire including the environs of Widnes, Warrington, Bolton etc. Moreover, the phrase "innit" is a London expression.

Miss Prufrock, harmless but misguided, seems like a bigot of the first order. What a totally unsavoury character she is. Perhaps she has been jilted at the alter by one of those "fausty-breathed fecking bullet-headed shitty-arsed fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees from Broke-Ass-on-Fecking D'ole?"

We will pray for you dear....

Poetic Justice says:

Seems like Raod Natzi has a wild hair up his ass! Or perhaps He is a little bit infected after having Prufrock's dirty little chipolata shoved up his jacksy? These 2 are a fucking joke. Prufrock the bigot and RN the racist.

What a lovely couple you make.

Don't bother replying because you only embarass yourselves with poor grammar and lukewarm ideas. How drole...

Prufrock says:

Divad: Sorry son, but your one deliberately misconstrued example of one word from my part of the world does very little to erase the linguistic, genetic, and aesthetic blight to which I refer.

The word football, last tome I saw it in print most definitely had a T after "foo" and two very large unmistakably velar-lingual LL's after that "bah" sound.

Hockey is just hockey to most people where I come from. In the States you might get "hackey" or ass hackey somewhere or other, probably in a bar where you can also get "Scatch ana racks" but that's they're problem. . . . STRETCH-MEISTER

Sorry, but there's NOTHING quite like that puking, dry heave, "foooughboaugh" sound I hear as the "gayeez-ah" stoombles t'telly ta fli'igh on, nao inni'.
These yobbo douchebags outnumber the tourists here at this stage and have done loads more to pollute the pristine farang image than any number of old fat farangs EVER could. Yobsters are an eyesore and an embarrassment. They're much harder to explain away than sex tourists. And when they're one and the same well . . . :-) I call it "Yobonics"
And they're all yours, divad dey're AL fecking yars ;-)

You guys might consider a military draft of something here, that might take care of it. Well, some of it. Maybe. Dunno.
Handing out cheap handguns at foughbough gaymes migh' do igh.

(This is all Antony Burgess BTW ;-) not Prufrock.

divad says:

No Prufrock, sorry mate, but

Haaaagh - Keeeehhhgh is how you get it in the fucking loser Wayne Gretsky shit bar in Taaaraaannaaaaa or up in Quebec.

Haaaa (grating, glottal stop, phlegm raising treble 'g' h) pause often 3-4 seconds and then they unleash with the Keee (similar rush of bad breath air and then similar treble 'g' h.)

Lose Burgess and try Irvine Welsh, you will get the 'fitba' pronunciations nearer and far away from the idiotic mix of south asian and english dialects you are trying to convey.

Rijav Singh says:

The Marquis Of Queensbury once left a calling card, for the attention of Oscar Wilde, at a prestigious London club. It is hereby reprinted and directed to Prufrock:

"Prufrock...masquerading as a ponce."

Road Natzi says:

Pathetic Jokist,

Why is it every time you post you like to talk about Anus's or things going into the Anus of someone.

Bout time you came out of the closet fagwana and line up ur yearly pass the the all gay fisting club and fuck right off out of MS.

You r an idiot. Wake up to urself and get out of my homeland, you useless farang reject.

Prufrock says:

Loose Condom: Thanks for that slimy re-framing of what I actually said. You're a real fecking time-waster ain'cha.
The British at their best, you are.
I understand your motives for re-framing lie squarely in the fact that the truth, unassailable as it is, hurts. So in order to respond, you have to make something up.
And you did.
Good for you, Desmond.

Now just where do you think you are? Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat. An I weren't talkin' about any pahticula brand of yob now wuz oi? I wuz tahkin about yobs in general now, wasn't I.
All-in yobs, I was talkin' about wuzn't aye. EVERY BRAND, you nitwit.

As for all you glottal fucking stoppers (both the real working classes and the PRETENDERS to the working class like the afore- mentioned fookin' fag Jagger)

You all do it. It's like your big badge of classlessness.

As for not accurately reproducing a Yorkie or a Scot or a Geordie or a Scouser or a Cockney to your satisfaction in this medium, why bother? who cares? You get my point.

This is Thailand fer fuck's sake. But it seems that we've all got to put up with either yer atrocious Yobbo-speak on the one hand or that POM arrogance you exude on the other.
Yer beyond belief in your arrogance and stupidity and, more's the pity, ya have no fucking clue that you are.

No matter. Y'all get corn-holed by "made-over" street whores y'all try sooner or later to pass off as GTG's in the end, though. To a feckin' MAN.

I'm thinking of three British fools right now who've built houses for women that other guys shag as soon as "andsome Ned" is on his way back to Kuwait, China or England.
One fat-arsed dickhead built two. He actually thinks he owns the one in Phuket. I mean THAT'S just how STUPID these nitwits are.

So it's worth putting up with your POM arrogance on the one hand and your YOB stupidity on the other just to watch the fireworks when the shit hits the fan (mixed metaphor)

And as for being a bigot? Go fuck yourself. I just know the difference between rational discrimination and gullibility.
And the difference has little to do with bigotry you smug nanny-arsed know-it-all.
OK Now Let's 'ave a bit of 'at deep Coronation Street "pot callin' kettle" wisdom before ya git back to ya pint.
Almost as good as Thai Wisdom.

divad says:

yes, yes, yes.

anyway classy, classfull, class rich classy, class chaps

what time is the HAAAAGH - KEEEEHHHHGH on?

for us classy chaps you understand.

Avid Fan says:

Been checking back over some of Prufrock's previous posts and he seems a most vile individual. I assume he would outstay any welcome upon his arrival. He spits: he bites: he vomits forth all sorts of venom. I guess he suffers from very low self-esteeem and finds it difficult to realte to rational human beings. He reminds me of one of those grumpy ex-pats who people avoid at all costs. Most of the time I cannot understand his invectives because he veers off into some pseudo-colloquial-twang that no-one probably can fathom but himself. A classic example of a loser in life and everytthiing else he undertakes. If anyone needs further proof...just examnine his forthcoming reply to my post.

Poetic Justice says:

Road Natzi,

You seem a little too obsessed with fisting.

Road Natzi? What an amusing little moniker. Do you whizz around Pattaya on your Honda Wave sporting one of those little plastic German Helmets?

I bet you do don't ya? Bet you make a sight. Still, we need light entertainment and boy do you provide it.

Look forward fro hearing from you Sweetie.

Professor Higgins says:

Prufrock,

What, may I ask, is a "Yorkie" accent?

ChurchLady says:

Now who's put you boys up to all this nasty talk? Insulting people, talking about your and their naughty parts.

“Now, who could it be? Could it be…SATAN?”

ChurchLady

kwai mai sabai says:

I wish you English teachers would stop fighting amongst yourselves. Save it for the class-room.

Prufrock says:

@ Avid Fan: And you'd be Jack the Lad, late of LSE fer shure . . . a POM arse-wipe too fucking pucca for the room, and therefore placed decidedly (by yourself) at the "elegant" end of this YOB / POM scale.
What the fuck; if your pucca thing gets on anyone's tits you'll "down-speak" yourself back into the poob with a few glottal stops. Ponce.
Anyone not buying your jive-ass patrician twaddle would, of course, be "one of those grumpy ex-pats".

The way you presume to speak for "everyone" says it ALL. Trouble is "everyone" already understands the pseudo-colloquial-(what was it? oh, yes)'twang'" It's the spoken version that we're on about, Nigel.

And you, there, divadoff with your worn out Wayne Gretsky "hackey" shite: fuck man you can't even rise to the occasion, can you. . . . .

I'll take just take the Bob Hoskins route here and just say
"Sport? You want to talk to me about sport? I'm an artist. Sport bores the arse off me."
You twats are pathetic.

Prufrock says:

@ Professor Higgins: Something like wurf, r-r-r-r-r, wurf, wurf, yip yip yip, wurf.

Let it go Dr. Higgins . . . the trouble with Pygmalionism is that it's too much fucking work.

divad says:

it's:-

haaaaghhhh -- aghhhhghghhhhghhh - aghghghgh -- aaaaghghhghghghghghghghhh

kkkkkkeeeeeeghhhhhhhghghghghghghghghggggggg
hhhghghghghghhhhgggghhhhhghghghghgh

Macam Kor Dio says:

The Love Song of Prufrock

T. S. Eliot

Translated from Italian

Summary: Prufrock is yearning for his love, Road Natzi, and envisions a tete-a-tete with his love

Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a go-go slut dancing on a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted sois,
The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in Soi Post Office cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with 100 baht all-you-can-eat
Streets that follow like a beach road slapper
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question...
Road Natzi: did you give me herpes?

In the room the katoeys come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

The yellow jism that rubs its back upon my aging boxer shorts
The slimy puke that runs from my muzzle on the window-panes
Licked its tongue into the corners of Prufrock's chocolate run-way .
Lingered upon the motocy taxis that stand in Soi BJ.
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from Road Natzis wizened tool.
Slipped in the back door, made a sudden jerk,
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled one in the shit-house, and fell asleep.

And indeed there will be time
For the 2 of us to sing karaoke and whisper sweet fuckups,
Rubbing your bollocks upon the window-panes;
There will be time, there will be time
To prepare som tam blaa laa;
There will be time to murder and procreate,
And time for all the works and days of my hands
That lift and fondle your excuse for manhood on your plate;
Time for you and time for me.
And time yet for a hundred fucks,
And for a hundred ham-shanks and precious hugs,
Before the taking of a toast and tea.

In the room the katoeys come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

Kasman says:

Prurock,

Now that you are no longer Mr. Popularity here at MS, except to Road Natzi, please for the sake of the majority, limit your ranting and raving to things that are at least remotely comprehensible.

Avid Fan has written you out like the book you pretend to be.

Now ask yourself? Can these many people be WRONG about you?

Mathematically the facts are not in your favor so please spare us some kind of non-comprehensible rebuttle.

Read this post written by yourself carefully and then look in the mirror and repeat it once more.

Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat.

The repeat it it while looking in the mirror 3 times.

After you do that, ask yourself if that isn't the most ignorant shit you have ever heard in your whole life?

OK, all those on this post (except Road Natzi), on the count of 3 grab both of Prurocks legs and pull as hard as you can until you hear a large pop.

The POP sound will be Prurocks head popping out his own ass.

broadbandbully says:

Pro's frock,
Go and get a life which doesn't involve sleeping with your keyboard.

Give everyone else a chance to give their comment without receiving a return post informing them what a moron they are and telling them your version of life is the only version that matters. What a geek! I wonder if he would be so brave if he met them in person. Or was it Pro's Frock who began his new life on MS with a bullshit story about a fight he saw on Sukhumvit?

Unlike Pro's Frock I will do a paragraph that is on topic. I was bored tonight so had a quick look through MS archives, everyone should do the same and just look at some of the crap PF as spewed out in his ranting posts. Several posters have sussed him and sadly no longer post on MS, these guys were a loss. Pro Fock wouldn't be missed. Fifteen replies on this post alone, one maybe on topic.

I reckon that long term western visitors have out lived their welcome, the current Thai Junta is looking for a scapegoat. Ex-pats after the Laotian will be top of the list, just wait for the next round of "Make Visa's impossible to get" comes around. Then you'll see how welcome you are.

Worse case is that Pro's Frock gets booted out due to the strange lust he feels for his keyboard. Maybe he should be made the sacraficial lamb to preserve to status quo tollerence the goverment as for long time farang. Thailand is a great place to live if you have pots of cash. So everyone who enjoys living here, just say "NO" to Pro's Frock. Grass him up to immigration for wanking over his PC.

No doubt within a few seconds of this being posted Pro's Frock will give a response saying he is correct and i'm way out of it and don't know what i'm talking about. Lets see?

meister says:

Every country I have ever been to has pretty much always blamed the outsiders, the immigrants, the people with a different colour skin or religion. Usually the blame actually lies somewhere else but is pinned on the easy target. Ignore it and let it slide!

Prufrock says:

Macam Kor Dio: A piece of poetry from a contributor who feels he need not make every couplet rhyme.
(British educated, of course,right?) Too bad about the Patts references.
They mean nothing to me. Sukhumvit? Patpong? Ratchada? Patpong?)

Let's have another. (without the training wheels)

* * *

If I GAVE a shit about a bunch of married guys sitting sitting in front of their monitors back in the UK with their hands busy single-handedly beating down an uprising, why would I throw it all away by picking a fucking fight with them?

Kasman? Summers? You're the one obsessed with his own bullshit.
(Keith's our local EXPERT on everything of importance here in Thailand. How are those adSense numbers tonight, Keith. Fresh in off the links from a round with your high-end golf buddies, are you?

Now would these be those cop relatives of yours who allegedly hacked off that kid's arm?
Or the cop relatives of yours that allegedly murdered those two Narcs in Lad Prao two days ago?
Or that cop gang that allegedly kidnapped the American oil trader and held him for 800K?

Or would these be the Ministry of Communications types (the ones you have in your pocket) who are allegedly gonna cut down this site?

Road Natzi says:

Mr Prufrock (wai) & Kasman Summers (foot on top of ur head),

Kasman,
You seem to know the procedure to getting ones head out of ones arse, obviously because you have done it so well for yourself over all these years.

Can you please enlighten us on how you manage to fit all those multiple cocks into ur body crevices and manage to type at the same time? (You are truly a very gifted faggot).

Prufrock,
At the moment my friend you would appear to be suffering from a condition known as 'tall poppy syndrome'. The best antidote for this is to proceed forward and ignore fuckwits like keith and continue forthwith. Be proud young man (tongue in cheek old fella) and keep enlightening and attempting to teach the ignorant, who in reality are just to scared to stand up and see things how they really are.

Wombat says:

Kasman

I don't think you are in a position to comment on anyones popularity. No-one has missed your arrogant opinions in the past week. Go back to the golf course. I'm certain someone needs a caddy.

Prufrock says:

@ divad: Sorry about all that truth-telling there.
Now, I know you're trying to say hockey? (That's "upspeak")
An'nen, like, you're trying to squeeze come kind of insult out of the way you think a Canadian hoser might pronounce it?("hoser" is the term you're all looking thru the trash for BTW: from Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas McKenzie Bros. routines of yore)

(Little known fact divad: Did you know that ice hockey is the world's second most expensive sport? Next to polo. :-)

But, divad, your posts sound for all the world like screams of pain and anguish.
Baahck in eeeuuwwKAY, right?
Truth hurts dunnit :-)

Oooops. Forgot. In Blighty, that's sport as well, innit?

Those Yobs, the chavs and your pucca Pom boss? They're all yours, divad. :-)

and Faber . . you only get to publish; you do not get to paraphrase.
You've been severely damaged I can see, by the darker, less glamorous aspects of your time in prison for that embarrassing playground up-skirting episode.
Your bowdlerized "Prufrock," a work of some talent, inspired by T.S. Eliot, your being trapped in eeeuuwwKAY and haunting prison memories of painfully, unpleasant sex with little or no foreplay.
You obviously just closed your eyes and thought of Pattaya.
Aaaah the web can be so cruel to a man.

But I suppose NOT being here is even more cruel than being here with no job and no prospects except the duck-footed Isaan version of your British wife.

Bugh(t) w've always gohgh foough-bouow on telly, 'ahven't we.)

Or are you looking to go back to your fausty-arsed, whingeing wife and that foul brood of ungrateful kids
at the butt end of your stolen three week package holiday, paid for with loose change from four and a half years of grocery money and decided on after three years of late nights spent hammering yer pud in front of the monitor.

debts up the yin yang

never to return.

BTW Keith The T.S. in the poet's name stands for "tough shit."

And "Loose Condom"? If you're actually here, it could be "Thai-sized Loose Condom".
That's how the rest of us refer to that "pinky puppet" -sized wrapper your 1500 Baht paddy princess pulls out of her bra before she blows you. (after the barfine and those 150 Baht colas for her and her friends all in, kaaa.)

Or are you sitting alone in your Karon Beach "serviced condo", surrounded by newly arrived toadies, dreaming of the day you can sell the turkey out and move the fuck on. Indonesia??
I'll give you $.62 on the dollar, Slaphead.
Including depreciation on the baht and lost opportunity cost, that's what you settled for before last time, wasn't it?

D333 says:

Macam Kor Dio,

"In the room the katoeys come and go
Talking of Michelangelo".

That gets my vote for the best post of the year so far...

Prufrock,

I don't mind your postings and I'll side with you that Brit Yob Culture is a blight on the face of the earth...however, your writing vanity gets the better of you. Your attempts to portray regional British accents are bloody embarassing and inept. Step away from the vernacular!

Also surprisingly dubious take that all Brits are yobs from someone who seems to be moderately intelligent.Isn't that a fairly yobbish position in and of itself? Prufrock "An American Chav"...who'd a thunk it?

Prufrock says:

Avid Flan: Aside from kasman/Summers and on a secondary level, yourself, just who on earth do you think your fooling with this hoity toity, "too pucca for the fray", high road, piffle- ridden, brainfart claim that you've read much of "Prufrock" and have the goods on him?
Where's the meat in that claim?
Absent.

Your snob diction diction worked in the dorm but you can surely not expefct to carry the day with such an outrageously specious claim.

Rabbit Flan, your holier than thou speech patterns incorporate all the self-important leaves and twigs of the patrician nest AS WELL AS the liberal blabbery and "We know better than you" sophistry of Tony Blair and that craven band of murderous Bushite blow-slaves you call a government.

What you've actually re-pasted up there somewhere was a boilerplate stock-in-trade rebuttal template for anything or anybody who wouldn't fit in with your own extravagantly fabulous opinion of yourself and a large percentage of your reality challenged compatriots.

'ave anoothah pastie, luv as soon as ya get that one off the roof uv yer mouth :-)

I trust that when properly challenged (as you've now been) you could at least emerge from the rubble of your puffery to respond in words of your own (not some cut and paste shit-storm)
To that end yo might possibly succeed in impressing people beyond the likes of Keith Summers' alter ego Kasman and this Popeye cheap shot artist.

And if you can't respond properly, then whyancha jist 'ave a cuppa THIS.

Prufrock says:

@ Broadbandbullshitter:
Hi Keith.
As most people know by now, I can type this stuff out faster than you can think.
That leaves me plenty of room for a full time job, pussy, 40 laps a day in the pool, weight training, reading, pussy, Cruising decent Thai chicks, shopping, restaurantation, this and hanging out with my beloved Om Sin.

Two questions for YOU, Lightweight.

Who did you USED TO post as?? and
How do you fill YOUR days :-)
(sleeping it off from the night before beside the pool don't count)

Prufrock says:

@ Wombat: This fucking Kasman/Summers is SO desperate for allies now he'll even try to "scab-up" with a few lurkers and newbies while I'm beating on the pork-pie pudgies down at the local.

What a fucking loser.

Prufrock says:

@ broadbandbullshitter
Hi Keith: (You just have that certain indelible, je ne sais quois thing going there, Doofus)

. . . Or was it Pro's Frock who began his new life on MS with a bullshit story about a fight he saw on Sukhumvit?

You not only have no new ideas but you have no brains with which to GET a new idea together.

Uhuh, we'll see soon enough you little shit house rat. I think we both know you're safer in the garbage pile for now.
Keep posting.

re: your Give everyone else a chance to give their comment without receiving a return post informing them what a moron they are. (?????)

Yeah, okay Keith, Fer Shure. "no hitting in the face and no combinations and no 'set-ups'"

Avid Fan says:

"Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat."

Look in the mirror and say 3 times.

Fucking hilarious!

I really enjoyed Macam's poem on Prufrock: great stuff! Its obvious from Gayfrock's response it really stung him...haha!

Pru, you are so prdecitable. Every post you submit is the same. Rant, rant, dribble, dribble....zzzzzzzz

Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat.

Hehe

Your arrogance and ignorance is displayed for all to see and it is obvious that you are a self-made man who worships his creator. You have delusions of adequacy dear boy.

Its a shame that you never open your mouth without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge. Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go. Also I am curious to know: as an outsider, what do you think of the human race?

Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat.

No doubt you will reply with the same old predictable response, devoid of wit or humour, but you have served one very important purpose: to return to the essence of David's original thread, you are a prime example of Has Prufrock worn out our welcome in Mango Sauce?"

NB. Did you know Prufrock gets this kind of shit on various other websites?
Shit sticks eh Pru?????

*********************

Priceless

Poetic Justice says:

(Road Natzi respectfully wais Prufrock)

Prufrock,

At the moment my bum-chum you would appear to be suffering from a condition known as 'crotch rot'. The best antidote for this is to come up and see me sometime and ignore the itching: I have some topical cream that I will apply generously. Be proud of our love young man (my tongue misses your old fella) and keep enlightening and attempting to teach me those naked back-bends. In reality, we are just to scared to stand up and see things how they really are.

Bye honey

Kasman says:

Prurock,

Your typing sounds exactly like how your voice would sound if you were trying to talk with a mouth full of shit.

Now exhale and try going back to plain English. Your attempts to imitate are exactly what other posters have mentioned. Utter foolishness.

Too bad the cops did not chop off both of your hands instead of the innocent.

I am quite sure you are guilty though and agree you should be sacrificed to the mighty Thai Authorities so the rest of us ex-pats can take it easy. If you will not surfice, I can offer up your ugly girlfriend Road Natzi.

I know for sure the cops hate those farangs and their plastic natzi helmets, so this would probably appease everyone to offer a special two for one deal.

Now if you can lift a golf bag and walk 18 holes, get your ass over here and you can caddy for me.

I can only hope you know the difference between a driver and a putter so I don't have to get upset and shove the wrong one up your ass.

That would not be very funny and who knows what would happen after that?

PS How much money do you have? Maybe US $400,000 or $500,000 lying around your condo? Please enlighten us and let us know.

Wombat says:

Prufrock

Hang on a minute. I'm on your side. Just cause I chipped you over at Bkkgf. How is Om Sim going with the English lessons by the way. I'll be back in August if you require my assistance. I'm just not convinced Summers & Kasman are one & the same. Same for dingdongrb. Go back & read some of my posts please. I despise Summers for what he has done. Have to go & get my 13yo guzzling lout from the old folks home so don't have time to outlay my objections to the other 2. I don't type as fast as some.

Prufrock says:

Poor Keith.
Crazy as a bag of hammers.
Just give him a squirt and he jumps the gun.

I can see from the volume of drivel from Summers and his merry band of aliases that he's posted his own pathetic blog for the week.

And now, cruising on a blue pill high, Keith has managed to out himself and his alter egos in a number of different ways.

G'head Keith. Suck up to all these new net buddies of yours.

Road Natzi says:

Hey Kasman (Summers),

How bout you and I slide down to the cop shop and have a chat with the tamruat and see who ends up in the lock up. I can guarantee it won't be me. Can we make this even more entertaining and head towards the hills, the tamruat up there are so bored, a little entertainment would go a long way.

Kasman, just give up ur low paying position as a 'FLUFF BOY' for gay thai porn movies and piss get urself out of Thailand, while you still can. Ohh and please don't come to Australia, its so much harder to deal with scum like you over there.

Carl Jung says:

Excellent Site Herr David. There follows an analysis of one particular case: Prufrock.

This individual is haunted by 2 major past experiences: the beating he took from an English "yob" in Bangkok and the way he was cuckolded by his Isaan love.

I base my analysis on a re-reading of his previous posts. His envy, self-hatred and sheer frustration are eating away at his soul. He is beyond redemption. He directs his spitefull comments in all directions and can brook no disagreement whatsoever. Unfortunately, like a genital wart, he is difficult to dis-lodge. He trolls the internet looking for sites where he can defecate his opinions and sits and waits for replies. To be ignored is his greatest fear.

Can he be used for good? Indeed, he is an example of what we should all NOT asire to be.

An analysis of the Honda-wave-riding-plastic-German-hat-
wearing-post-traumatic-stress-suffering-
wanna-be-Rambo-Prufrock-adoring-backward
-Yankee Road Natzi is a work in progress from my esteemed colleague, Benny Hill.

Prufrock says:

Hi Carl: Ponce/posh speak doesn't always carry the day. But you guys never learn, do you.
Carl, you're utterly and consistently wrong on all counts there.
By the way how long did it take you to write that silly fantasy?

Om Sim says:

Look you lot, leave my current bf Pwufwock alone. He good man. Yes small cock but good heart. You say Om Sim in English same " blowjob phone card" I not care. Yes I go with many men for money. Yes I ee galee. But now infection go already. Pwufwock not care about past. He give money if have pwobwem. Pwufwock make big money when he go pool everday. He get 40 lengths from many men. Come home with 300 baht. Smart right. My thai bf like Pwuwock too mut. But not like smoke him. Only if have condom because cock smell no good. So fak you if you no like Pwufwock. He is number one motherfucker.

Sawasdee ka

Samuel Peepshow says:

How is a "bag of hammers" crazy?

broadbandbully says:

Hook, line and Sinker!!!

I thank you and your predictability Pro's Frock.

Usual Suspect says:

Nice job, broadbandbully! Reeled him in just like the sucker he is. If Pro's Frock had a brain he'd be dangerous.

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
Not everyone who posts here is a Keith/Kasman alias. I think you need to up your dose of the little pink pills because paranoia is getting the better of you. I'm starting to even agree with Kasman that you need to mellow the fuck out. You alone have nearly made more posts on this thread and others than nearly all other posters as of late.

Moderation old man, keep it in moderation.

Road Natzi says:

Carl Jung,

You chinese twat. What is the reference to "Yankee" and Road Natzi, all about. You seem to have a trouble with history, breathing (without that sign in front of you saying 'breathe in, breathe out' and without typing a post that is about 300 metres long outling that you are a loser, your research is nothing but extremely poor. Spend a little less time with your hand on little Jung and get out into the real world YOU WANKER!

MrClis says:

I friggin love this site!
The level of abuse is so high it's like balm to my soul....I could read it all day.
Compare it to Pattaya Addicts, the internet equivalent of Soi Six without the erudite conversation, where all I did was correct the pathetic misconceptions of a mod a few times and tweek a well-known Nana bar manager for his pedestrian writing style for the bastards to ban me.
Good grief. If Í'd known he liked his bat and ball so much I'd never have touched them.
And me such a sensitive soul.

divad says:

Pro-fuck, why dont you go sort Galt/Kasman/Notstickman out yourself?

I would love to see the next headline on here:- "Mango Sauce reader gets his head kicked in by Keith Summers".

Carl Jung says:

Road Natzi,

Since when was Carl Jung Chinese? you dipshit! Perhaps Sigmund Freud was from Indonesia too duh...

Road Natzi says:

Carl,

When I woke up this morning, I squatted over the hawng naam and gave birth to another one of you ! No matter how many cups of water I tipped on top of him, he just wouldn't go away....he's exactly like you.

Fuck off twat & get a job or do something useful for the first time in your life you JAPANEESE CUNT!

Prufrock says:

@ divad keith summers love interest
Imagine my shock and surprise to read THAT, you slap-headed butt snorkelling fan of Keith Summers ;-)

Sorry I was late with that I had a dental appointment.
Ever had one :-?

The Ubon Herald says:

Nice One Divad!

Headline:

Keith Summers steps up to Prufrock!

Web-boards across the kingdom are rife with the news that a Mango Sauce reader, Prufrock, was severely beaten by Stickman's nemesis, Keith Summers. After taking the air-con bus from Bangkok to Isaan, Prufrock (the cheap bastard) headed out for a show-down with the web based LED salesamn. As a small crowd gathered to watch the spectacle, Prufrock was reported as saying "Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes eehh Summers?" The small crowd gasped, not only at Prufrock's knowledge of Burgess but also because he had stripped down to rather revealing leotard. Summers, sporting a rather worn-looking Hard Rock t-shirt, quipped "Speak English dickhead, yer goin' home in a wooden box." The mainly Isaan crowd whoooped and whistled at this reply and applauded Summers' direct approach. Then, to everyone's amazement, Prufrock dropped to his knees and began chanting a garbled invocation. In a strange, haunting falsetto Prufrock evoked his deity, Road Natzi: "Dear Road Warrior" he pleaded "grant me thy divine power to strike this twat from the kingdom..." Quick as a flash, Summers', ignoring battle protocol, kicked Prufrock in the face and the fight was on. It was short. It was brutal. Prufrock, sorely lacking any pugilistic skills whatsoever, was no match for the farang famous for fucking up stickman. Summers' used various techniques on Prufrock, such as his legendary grappling skills once displayed in an Isaan disco. The local police, who had been observing the fracas from a distance, mocked Prufrcok's fighting skills and called his masculinity into question. This brought roars of laughter from the gallery and great fun was had by all. As Prufrock lay bloodied in the dust, his ripped leotard revealing too much of his small manhood, Summers moved in for the coup de grace. Suddenly, the roar of a 50cc Honda Wave was heard by all. Draped in an American flag and sporting a plastic German helmet, it was the Yankee "do-very-little" Road Natzi. Prufrock squeeled, through broken teeth, "..help me my Love..." and then let out a loud fart. Enraged, the weekend warrior charged the Man-tours veteran, but tripped on his flag and knocked himself out cold. Once again, the crowd cheered at the unfolding pantomime and the police looked on. Summers, now victorious and without a scratch, placed his foot on the broken Prufrock and declared, "veni, visi, conqui" Unfortunately, the latin phrase was lost on the Isaan crowd who began singing morlam classics accompanied by rude hand gestures. Verdict: Summmers wins by T.K.O.

Carl Jung says:

Road Natzi, (he of the plastic German helmet)

Chinese Twat? Japanese Cunt? Do you know the difference? Just to expose your further ignorance: I am Austrian dear boy.

Road Natzi says:

The Ubon Herald, you have definitely been smoking an 'off' batch of Yabba.

How in hells name did a half thai/aussie become an Yankee? CS, can you please clarify to this idiot that I am anti-American.....geeze, how far do you have to scroll back thru the posts.

Summers, why do you always have to post under different names. Its an interesting fantasy you have but clearly a fantasy for you to keep for when you have little keith sliding between ur fingers.

Ohh and by the way, I ride a Suzuki 150 tool, not a honda 50, try get something in ur post right.

Of course, we know the real story goes, SUMMERS stalks his prey then strikes when it is either sleeping or at least having its head turned away.

Summers is a gutless cunt, must have caught poor old stick baby on an off day.

And of course The Ubon Herald Summers, everyone here can just imagine a loser farang like yourself kicking the shit out of a thai person and the thai crowd going berserk.....berserk as stomped on ur pin size head.

GROW UP SUMMERS AND FUCK RIGHT OFF!

divad says:

a wig on your head, prufrock? my confidante from Cowboy sayeth 'such a company, making those things would soon be out of business, sir'

Prufrock says:

Keith? That match is pretty well a fantasy of yours isn't it? Just think of me as just one more guy who'll elbow-smash your nose flat right in front of the Landmark one of these days. Adn the way you've written me up, punk, an the way others have described this you won't even see it coming.
There are many others.
My lawyer already knows you've threatened me ;-) so we have witnesses who will see the whole thing as it needs to be said.
Patts and Sukhumvit, Cowboy Keith.
G'head, come over for a chat.
This has fuck all to do with Paul BTW. I couldn't care LESS about Paul.
It's you baby.
And it'll make news for reasons that'll floor you when it happens.

Usual Suspect says:

Another good report from The Ubon Herald. That boy has a bright future in journalism. Nevertheless, I think you might have hurt Mr. Prufrock's feelings. I wouldn't worry about Mad Max 2 (The Road Warrior); they strip those from you in police academy.

broadbandbully says:

Where can I subscribe to the Ubon Herald?

The funniest post this year!!!!

pipelayer says:

Rode Nutzi,

First of all: Spell much?! Second: Your ass much be approaching the size of your ego if you can squat over the whole bathroom. Idjut!

D333 says:

...veni,visi,conqui...

...or veni, vidi, vici?

Et tu Keith?

Kasman says:

Ubon Herald gets the prize for best story for sure. That was hilarious.

Now everyone that disagrees with Prufuck is automatically Keith. Well I think we all know that is impossible because I am sure as hell not Keith and many other posters have pointed out they are not Keith either.

What I question is whether Prurock and Road Natzi are the same person. Road Natzi has never, ever disagreed with Prurock.

So either this is in fact the same person, or Road Natzi has a boner for Prurock big time?

It is strange to see a man defend a man with such vigor unless he was a homo?

Prufrock says:

It's definitely time for Kasman, Galt, dingledangle, broadbangbullshitter, and all poor Keith Summers various other imaginary playmates to gather together along with some of Mango Sauce's more annoying posters to see what else they have in common besides Keith Summers.

Whether they indeed are all Keith Summers is somewhat beside the point. Their bizarre sympathy, consanguinity with the hopes and dreams of cyber-stalker and certified nutter Keith Summers is definitely worth a look.

Of interest will be what else, if anything, besides yapping about other posters and the inherent wonder of the Keith Summers personage and career goals and lionizing Keith Summers cowardly outing of Paul, they could possibly have to chat about.

Keith: I think more than a few of us will be watching with great interest over the next couple of weeks as you jabber away to yourself via all your various identities.

I'm betting that aside from some silly initial crowing and imaginary accounts from some imaginary newspapers you will have very little else to say.

Either way you'll finally be in a place you that until now could only exist in your dreams and your imagination.

You'll be "among friends"

somchai says:

oh my lord, prufock is having a bad songkran...

dingdongrb says:

"So, is 7/11 a US brand? Or is it Japanese, now that they control Southland? Would MacDonald's really become Korean if Samsung bought controlling interest?"

....and who in the hell invented the telephone!~!~!

dingdongrb says:

"We, in the New World, have our own region-specific brand as well." - Pruie

"I'm an artist." - Pruie

"We"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or is that just Road Nutzi up your ass?

'Artist'? The only way you're an artist is painting Road Nutzi's tongue around your little itty bitty weenie.

Wombat, you're correct, I am dingdongrb. Not Kasman nor KS, but some morons just don't get it.... (David, Can you say 'moron'?)

Road Natzi says:

Kasman,

You are obviously living in that little world of yours, the confines of your microscopic penis....you wouldn't have to go back too far to see that it wasn't that long a go that Prufrock & I couldn't appear to agree on much at all. It was only after a short time, that I realised that Prufrock and I were trying to say the same thing, only in a slightly different language.

Let me see, now, isn't it funny how somehow an anti-prufrock vibe has started in MS and only the spineless gutless cunts, that can only react as a group, all suddenly turn (like a flock of birds) and fly up dung hill to nest amongst the killer wasps. I pity the people that arent original enough to avoid attacking someone just plainly because one other poster has chosen to do so. In Thailand we have a name for that. Anyway, I can't be bothered, its all really very boring, perhaps it would be more exciting to take up one of Keith Kasman SUMMERS hobbies of platting shit.

Anyway, don't let me hold you up, chop away at Prufrock, his skin is thick, but not as thick as some of your heads.

One a final note, I can only say, FUCK YOU CAPTAIN, FUCK YOU VERY MUCH !

Kasman says:

Prurock

Your Lawyer? How does a guy that works 9 to 5 fetching coffee for the Thai's have a lawyer?

You are giving in to your own made up stories.

I do not think in Thailand, in front of the Landmark Hotel, you would have the balls to smash anyone's face in, even Keith's.

I think you fear going to a Thai jail so much, that you would not have the balls to do anything in Thailand against the law.

I am sure the majority of the spectators at Landmark would point to you when the cops arrived and blame you for starting the whole thing.

Then it would be a laugh to see if your ridiculous internet postings could save your ass.

Wombat says:

Kasman

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Assuming, for a moment, that Thai cops are going to leave their regular duties involving racketeering & prostitution to investigate a punch up between 2 farangs. How long do you think it is going to take them to get there? Assuming they turn up at all & not wait for a complaint to be lodged. Shall we say 30 minutes for arguments sake. That would give Prufock over 29 minutes to travel as far away as he could. Put simply, after you have won a fight you do not hang around even if you didn't start it. You piss off quick. That way you avoid any legal entanglements & also deprive your victims mates of the opportunity to square the ledger. To quote the wise Bart Simpson "it wasn't me, no one saw me, you can't prove anything". Or as my lawyer once advised me "deny everything even better don't say anything".

Before you start to rabbit on about guilt & innocence being different under Thai law the above quotes were thrown in purely to re-inforce that I know what I am talking about. The cops can only arrest you if they know who you are & where you are.

You would be better off concentrating on your yardage. Ater all that is essential knowledge for any caddy.

broadbandbully says:

Pro's Frock.

And I quote;

"Of interest will be what else, if anything, besides yapping about other posters and the inherent wonder of the Keith Summers personage"

Please tell me who on this whole strand and others on Mangosauce be-little's and puts down other Posters?

Who is so obsessed with Keith Summers, he belives that every one who is does not agree with him is Keith Summers?

Who waffles on about the amount of the number of altar egos Keith Summers uses, when he himself probaly posts under at least three names?

The answer to the above is Pruffers Pro Frock (Rhymes with small cock).

I'm beginning to enjoy this posting, come back from the bar, drunk and just insult and persecute someone you've never met. This is surely what the internet was invented for!

You asked me earlier who I used to post under, and for some reason went on to tell me about your swimming and whoremongering, wanting to know what I do during the day?
First of all if I ever did post under anyone else's name then its none of your business fool!
Secondly, I don't have justify my day to anyone, other than to say swimming forty laps of a duck pond takes up valuble money making time!

I await your childish reply in your usual childish manner, I'll pick it up around 2ish, the WI-FI around the pool is great.

No hard feelings Pro's Frock, admit what a looser you are and i'll set up a tab for the night a Rawhide! (Providing your'e of legal age to drink).

Wombat says:

Wombat,

Don't talk to me about police here you fucking idiot. The police here like nother better than arresting farang and seeing how many baht they can strong arm them for, to drop the charges.

Now get off your righteous horse, get over to the Landmark and start punching on another farang, and lets see how long it takes you to get arrested?

Better yet? Have any spray paint? Why not try that trick in Sukhumvit out in plain sight and see how long it takes the police to get there and arrest you?

You are a good example of what is wrong over here. Too many people shooting their mouth off in complete ignorance of what really happens.

I can certainly tell you a factual story about one farang that is no longer here in LOS shooting his mouth off, so don't say it can't happen.

kwai mai sabai says:

dingdongrb,
dingdong rb. ding dong rich boy. Yes! That's it! You're Richboy from BKKchat.org. The hoser that sold out Stickman on Oct 28 2006, 11:42 AM. Judas, have you no shame!? You'd probably sell your mother for a few shekels to a brothel in Udon Thani, wouldn't ya!?
Get out of Thailand, you snake, before it's too late! Tick, Tock!

somchai says:

here's an idea:

let's start a website called "farangfelonyfights.com" or "fff" for short.

we'll host videos of farangs bitchslapping each other. we'll have fights with titles likes:

"Road Nazi, Mango My Sauce Bitches!!!"

"KAS, Beat Down Keith In Heat"

"Prufock, Chasing Keith Summers"

And as a bonus, we'll have videos farang and girlfriend bitchslapping each other:

"Dicer, Bitch Done Stole My Money!!!"

"Prufock, Deep Inside Om Sin"

Oh I can hear the money rolling in, ka-ching ching!!!!

dingdongrb says:

Kwai mai sabai,

Sorry to disappoint you but I've never been to the BKKchat.org site you are referring to. Rich? Maybe, you jealous? Probably so. Get out of Thailand? I don't think so. This is my home now. Too bad, you loose. Try again weasel.

Prufrock says:

KMS: See? He doesn't address you or your posts but he uses his rebuttal stance to push his repetitive personal myth.
Now just who the hell would say those things in this way?
He's easy to spot. Not you, not Telemachus, not Faber & Co. nor is it any of my honestly one-named my other single detractors.
There are similarities.

Prufrock says:

And this somchai creature could join them for all he contributes although I see that most people are manageing to ignore him.
Easy to draw HIM out as a phoney by using Karaoke Thai, a bangkokchat.org staple of communication.

Anybody up for that ?

Wombat says:

Kasman

I would appreciate it if you didn't adopt my nick for your own. I suggest next time you make that mistake you send David an email asking him to change the post name. That is what I have done in the past.

Now down to business. Is that the best insult you can come up with? Try a little harder. To extract baht first they have to catch the perp. Unless they happen to be on the spot how long does it take them to get there? Didn't want to answer that one did you because it doesn't fit your view?

Righteous horse. No not me. That horse is stabled closer to your home. Not at all interested in getting arrested & spending time in the cells thanks. Been there, done that. Not pleasant at all & the food is vile. Doesn't matter what country. The degree just varies. Does establish that I know what I am talking about. That is why the smartest option in that situatuion is to leg it. If I was to pick a fight it certainly wouldn't be in front of the Landmark. Care to guess where? Read my post from last week. It is a business. While you are at it go back & find the post where I counselled against violence towards Summers. It is a view I still hold.

As for the fool with the spray paint I would think he learned his lesson. Deservedly so. I just wouldn't acquaint what he did with 2 farangs having a punch up.

As for being a good example of what is wrong with Thailand I could only aspire to your level. You are the master. You are a humourless bore. A blowhard forever prattling on about your contacts & family while sneering at everyone else. In your mind you are the only one who knows anything about Thailand. Your views are the only ones with any relevance. Perhaps you would like to start your own website to give us all the benefit of your vast knowledge. I'm sure it will recieve lots of visits. I've even got a name for you. Kasman- a caddy's take on Thailand. In the meantime I'm sure you won't mind if I continue to draw my own conclusions based on over 30 years acquaintance with Thailand.

I would hope that last paragraph wasn't a thinly veiled threat. Why not share this anecdote with us.

somchai says:

prufock,

stop trying to incite others with the karaoke Thai stuff.

you wanna test me?
you've got a problem?
why don't you bring your karaoke Thai to the plate?

stop being a sniveling little bitch and looking for your e-friends to do your fighting.

put up or shut the fock up.

or better yet, get in the kitchen and toss some salad...

ai kwai, nah tua mia. geng tae pood marg nai internet. jer kon jing gor tum tua pen e-dorg toog yed jon hee satoen...

Telemachus says:

Re: Prufrock Somchai debate

"you wanna test me?
you've got a problem?
why don't you bring your karaoke Thai to the plate?"

Reminds me of that Guns and Roses song Get in the Ring"...

Prufrock says:

@ somchai Cool, passa mung/goo Slave talk! Consider yourself ignored by me and we'll see how many others we can get into the play :-)
BTW somchai. I interviewed a guy last week who wanted to know (off the record) why do so many thai men like to suck cocks and take it up the ass.
They can't be ALL poor farmers.

Post away gigglefart. . . . no one's really interested anymore.

Kasman says:

Wombat,

What exactly is a 30 Year Acquaintance with Thailand?

Can you define that in detail?

I know people can live in Thailand and people can visit Thailand.

30 Year Acquaintance is going to need some clarification.

Kasman says:

Prucock,

If anyone is acting ignorant here its you. Insulting Thai farmers and I bet you don't even know one farmer in the whole country?

It is true your life revolves around piss-off comments, no matter what the topic.

Go back and re-read all your own threads and see if you have ever written anything positive about anyone?

It's your fucked up attitude that compels other posters here including the Kasman to go on the offensive.

Facts are facts. This many posters cannot be wrong and you and Road Nerdzi right.

Do us all a favor and for ONE DAY, see if you can find something nice to say about anyone.

Wombat says:

Kasman

What I mean is that for over 30 years myself, family & friends have been visiting Thailand. One friend lived there for 12 months. I contemplated it but quickly came to the conclusion that I am better off here.

Through all this time we have retained an interest in Thailand. As i get older it is my intention to spend an increasing amount of time there.

I am aware that this gives you the opportunity to commence sneering. Go right ahead. While you are at it why don't you try to come up with something original & positive as opposed to trying to big note yourself.

dingdongrb says:

"What I mean is that for over 30 years myself, family & friends have been visiting Thailand. One friend lived there for 12 months." - Wombat

So since my Thai wife was born and raised in Thailand and she is 30 years old. Her Mother and Father are 54 and 56 respectively. Her Grandfather is 76 while here aunts and uncles are in their 50's does this mean that I'm a 310 year acquaintance of Thailand.

You stupid fuckin twit!

"I can claim that I am I contemplated it but quickly came to the conclusion that I am better off here." - Wombat

Thank God for that. We sure in the hell don't need any more pinheads in Thailand.

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Hi dingdongrb

Your incoherent outbursts almost always hinge on misunderstandings.

Are you taking the piss or do you actually have learning difficulties?

Either way, you've worn out your welcome here.

Regards
David

Common Sense says:

Kasman,
What ever happened to this damning evidence you were supposed to submmit to us. You fell a little short with the Alexxa ratings. Are you feeling a little depressed now that the site wasn't shut down. I bet that just gnaws at your sense of self-worth now don't it, fucking cunt that you are.

dingdongrb says:

Twhat, no feedback from the reply I posted directly at you David? No, you have to go trying to stand up to Wombat's stupid remarks. You're a funny boy...

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Hi dingdongrb

The posting directed at me wasn't worthy of a reply. In any case, you didn't ask me a question.

"trying to stand up to Wombat"

I'm standing up FOR Wombat (not that he needs it) - and for all the other people here who regard you as an oxygen thief.

Incidentally, the fact that your muddled reply says precisely the opposite of what you intended seems to support my "learning difficulties" theory.

Regards
David

Mac says:

"Hi dingdongrb" ... you've worn out your welcome here." - David

Hear, hear!

The obstinately obtuse, obstreperously obnoxious cocksmoking Colorado cowpoker is aptly named. Ding-dong. One imagines a clapper hanging from the top of his empty cranium and striking with every spastic jerk of his head, emitting an endless cacaphony of meaningless noise.

Prufrock says:

@Common : Bangkok expat community bigshot golfer and police groupie Kasman (AKA) Keith Summers) is so fucking desparate to deflect your reasonable and clearly worded question that he now seeks to chastise me or anyone else, including the blog owner who attacks him.
What IS Kasman's big revelati0n? Well I'll tell you Common. Last week this weasel most likely got an appointment with some Thai functionary, ostensibly to review his sites compliance status. In that suck-up session the cunt was careful to paint himself as a big time asset to the Thai economy and a big Thai tourism booster.
Then he most surely seized the moment to drop shit on a couple of sites he doesn't like. I expect MS was probably one of them. He cherry picked a few of the naughtier posts and presented them to an increasingly bored and impatient functionary who has more than likely perfected his nodding and uhuh techniques. This Thai functionary, growing weary of Kasman/Sumeers (sic) self-serving weasel-worded inculpation of his competitors and anxious to get to lunch WITHOUT Summers, blew him off with some "Oh yes yes I'll look into this stuff for you. Then we get somechai calling us racists and Kasman re-stating his ant-community prpaganda and so on. That's Kasman's play against David and us. that's how he started with Paul if you remember. He fucking craves recognition. Craves it from the very folks he rips. That is SICK, Dude.
That's MY take anyway.

You may have another analysis. But either way I thing we agree that this fucking guy is a self-loving self-fellating asshole.
He suggests I scroll back over my own posts. What a fucking boring suggestion, I never read my stuff again. Hell, I rarely even edit it.

More to the point I suggest Kasman/Summers scroll back over his own posts and his own pathetic blog. If he has a brain left he'll see just how often he drops this Kasman silliness and "shows" or presents as the legendary Krazy Keith Summers.

Just watch this for a few days: He's busy now 'cause it's Thursday, writing his stoopid fucking blog.(equivalent to having his liver ripped out by vultures every Thursday).

He's got to get something out and he HATES doing it by now because he knows he can't write. Because of this verbal and "branding" disability he's got to be careful that he doesn't out himself either from one MS ID to another or most critically, that he posts under about ten names on this site (last week's Songkran thing was a corker)
It's a tough job and it's beginning to wear him down.
Summers's got a lot of lies to cover.
The virgin stalker piece (and MS posters reaction to it alone)/the Dexter Horne blow-off in Pattaya, his pre-emptive attempt to get a Horne/Summers sex tour co-production into play, his silly Jack Nicholson-Tom Cruise thingy is gonna be up there for all to see.
He can paper the site with Songran shots and it'll ONLY insult the Minitstry official. They will gas the bastard. I've seen these people in play. They are very very intelligent and they are ALWAYS dealing with sleazoids like Summers. They'll see right through him.

He's got a lot of "color commentary to keep straight and he blows it at least four or five times a week.

If i was a betting man AND I AM I would put my money on "read" (as in "hits" on this site)

Kasman says:

Wombat,

No comment, but try to conceive that anyone that has lived here for years is probably more aware of the facts than people that do not.

Kasman says:

Common Sense,

We all know that Common Sense and Prurock are the same person. Another flurry of bitter, profanity laced, I hate the whole world bullshit.

Now that Prurock/Common Sense has lost all his internet buddies except Road Nerdzi, whats next?

I hope you don't try to toss yourself off a roof somewhere? It would just make a mess for some poor Thai to have to clean up and no one would miss you here one bit.

Or course, if you were not here, Dave's web traffic would take a sinking dive like the Titanic.

Kasman says:

Dave,

Hi dingdongrb

Your incoherent outbursts almost always hinge on misunderstandings.

Are you taking the piss or do you actually have learning difficulties?

Either way, you've worn out your welcome here.

Regards
David

Is this hinging on the possibility of future banning and sensor-ship?

[If you want to borrow my expressions, please try to use them correctly - David]

You of all people should stay neutral and stay out of this because this comment was not directed to you or at you, unless you are also Wombat.

These types of posts are exactly what is keeping Mango at the front of the pack.

As one poster pointed out, tuning in everyday just to get a daily fix of this post and the ensuing battle.

You have to be realistic in thinking a remote 30 year acquaintenance amounts to anything. But lets do the math anyway.

30 years visiting Thailand 2 weeks per year = 60 weeks of total time in LOS.

That means Wombat has the same Thai experience as a newbie that has lived here just over one year (52 weeks).

Now ask yourself if 60 weeks and 30 years is even remotely close to each other?

I think you need to stay on the sidelines and be thankful post like this are driver readers to your site.

If not start banning people. This site is like a bad fix that people keep coming after. By banning people, including me (Kasman) you would end the fixation and thereby help everyone with their anger management.

Of course your google ad-words might take a dive, then we might see you dishing up burgers and fries at Mickey "D's"

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Hi Kasman

You'd have me believe that the success of Mango Sauce is down to you and dingdongrb (AKA dumb and dumber).

"Narcissist" and "delusions of grandeur" don't even begin to describe you.

Your spurious time calculation screams "KEITH SUMMERS" and the close proximity of your dingdong doppelganger makes it pretty obvious that all three of you are one and the same person.

The worldwide network of proxy servers that you and your imaginary friends hide behind can't disguise a shared personality disorder.

I'm not going to ban you, Keith, but please end this silly charade and post under your own name in future.

There's a delicious irony surrounding all this.

Your 'Kasman' and 'dingdongrb' alter egos are itching to claim the credit for boosting Mango Sauce visitor numbers but the only way they can achieve recognition is to admit that they are really you.

What a dilemma...

Regards
David

Arun Raman says:

Does this "animosity" extend to the Japs (the largest expat community in Thailand) as well? Surely they too are responsible for contributing to the tourist trade on 'comfort women'?

But as a member of the second largest expat community - South Asians, there are instances when my family and I are not exactly the preferred customers. (understandably vegetarians are a rarity here). I would not however generalise this to the entire Thai population.

If there is Xenophobia - it would be helpful to understand is it only to the white-skinned folk (single men or families?) or does it extend to other nationalities as well.

Hope the debate focusses on this and throws light on experiences instead of getting into personal attacks.

Telemachus says:

I seem to remember a post by dingdongrb a while back about having his passport carried through customs for him because he was flying first class. I rememeber responding by calling him a "precious little chap". It was one of the few things Prufrock and I agreed on.

Anyway in that post, as far as I remember, he wished David "good luck in keeping the riff-raff out this year"

In light of the above that's pure poetry.

Kasman says:

Dave

Are you retarded or just overworked?

You are wrong on all counts because I am not Keith and someone already identified dingdongrb from another place. I have never been to Isan sorry.

Basic math calculations can be done by anyone with a first grade education.

Lets try it again Dave 30 years X 2 weeks per year = 60 weeks total.

Now why does that scream Keith Summers?

Your defense of 1 + 1 does not equal 2 is seriously flawed.

Now the only real story left to boost the numbers is who are you? Who is the great Mango Dave and why is he hiding his own identity?

The contribution can is filling up and I am sure some one is going to cash in soon.

KA-Ching $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I can see the Headlines now:

Today Mango Dave, of Mango Sauce Fame was outed in Nana Plaze by a mysterious, athletic, shady, stalking figure, who possible works for google ad-sense but maybe not

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Hi Keith

Your denial doesn't carry much weight when it's accompanied by an advert for your dying website.

I know how dependent you are on the Mango Sauce comment threads for publicity. However, you've shot yourself in the foot this time because you let slip that, once again, "The Great Galt" has failed to out "Mango Dave."

When a one trick pony fails to perform its trick, that's not news.

You and I both know that people don't visit your site for the Songkran photos and they must, by now, be running out of patience.

"Why is he hiding his own identity?"

So I can avoid stalkers like you.

Regards
David

broadbandbully says:

Thanks Kasman,

To liken Common Sense and Pro's Frock as the same person is possibly the silliest thing i've heard on MS! Now i've got to sort of defend Pro's Frock.

Common Sense usually as a funny and easy to read style (Apart from when he gets patriotic), whereas Pro's Frock just spouts rubbish for the sake of it and never as anything worthwhile to say.

Kasman, I don't give a rats ass if you are Keith Summers, just come out the closet. You never know people might actually be interested in what you have to say, or maybe not!

Good night gentleman, the weekend starts early this week.

Telemachus says:

Broadbandbully,

Wow you just spang out of the woodwork didn't you. I've only seen your name recently but you speak like an "old hand". I don't have a problem with that but it lends creedance to the idea that you may be someone else.

It is surprising easy to spot distinctive personalities on the treads. I could never sound like Prufrock, Road Natzi, KMS, CS or the rest of Mangosauce's regular denizens even if I tried.

The post sounds like Kasman is having a conversation with himself.

kwai mai sabai says:

As is the last Telemachus post April 19, 2007 8:34 PM that of an imposter. Wow, this is like playing Bop The Gopher at the county fair!
Please rein in your site, webmaster!

dingdongrb says:

“Hi dingdongrb
The posting directed at me wasn't worthy of a reply. In any case, you didn't ask me a question.” - David

“Now may I ask what makes you so fuckin God-like that you can actually look at a person and tell whether they are Christian or not?” – dingdongrb

Now David, take a good look at the sentence I wrote prior and copied again so you could SEE it. (Slow down, take a lude or two) And then look you moron, isn’t there a question mark at the end of that sentence? That makes a QUESTION, ya pinhead! So go back to grade school where you flunked 2nd grade four times and learn what a fucking question mark means!!! ????????

I am guessing that:

1) You really don’t have a clue what a question mark means.
2) You are definitely stupid and read way too fast… (ludes, ludes, ludes)
3) You don’t have a logical explanation on how you can tell a non-Christian from a Christian.
4) All of the above.

“You'd have me believe that the success of Mango Sauce is down to you and dingdongrb (AKA dumb and dumber).” – David

Kasman and I may be dumb and dumber (i.e. Two separate individuals which you won’t believe. Which is a great joke on you) but you are definitely MR. DUMBEST!!

I agree with Kasman, go back to school and learn how to add. Then for extra credit learn what a question mark is…duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

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Hi Keith

I can no longer pretend that I care.

Your story is old news now.

Go waste someone else's time.

Regards
David

Prufrock says:

Hi David: Kewl ;-)
Regards
Prufrock

Kas Man says:

First Order of Business. I will be changing my name to Kas Man instead of KASMAN, so don't fuck them up and get confused that Kas Man is stickman or dave the rave or anyone else.

Kas Man is the former KASMAN

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall not fear Kas Man, because he is but ONE lonely mentally disturbed motherfucker person, able to create ill-will and discourse at every whim.

No, it's not keith, it's not broadband or any of the others, it's Kas Man all by his lonesome.

But I have been given an idea for a Kas Man.com like website. The main purpose of the website will be to out individuals on BKK websites, known to be menaces of society.

With nothing to do but sponge off the inlaws, I think a website with an office over looking BKK and a team of investigators would do just fine to get the plan into action and get me out of the house, acting like I had a legitimate job so I can stop caddying for my father in law every Wednesday.

We could call over to the minister for a current list of all expats holding VISAs of any kind, then every week we can give away cash and prizes to who ever can solve the clues as to who is really who.

Maybe with free trips to Lolita's, cases of beer and cash, we can entice some real exciting activities and turn brother against brother?

Maybe, just maybe, we can get that farang on Sukhumvit, who cannot quite seem to come up with enough money every week for a plane ticket home, into an honest job of investigation?

Forget bar girl investigations, Kas Man.com thinks if you are stupid enough to send money and she is still in the bar, then it's your own fault. Go find a tree with a hole in it, you peckerhead.

A whole photo section of nothing but farangs who visit the go-go bars.

Kind of like Americas Most Wanted? Is your husband or boyfriend out late at night with no explanation? Check out Kas Man.coms wall of shame and see if you can spot him on Soi Cowboy, Nana, Soi 33, Pattaya or other sinful places.

Then we he gets home, fire up the PC and yell surprise before you clean him out and take everything he owns.

Have the inbreds, whoops inlaws, down from Issan for a little ass whooping party to boot.

What? he was doing Yaba when you had to toss him out? The BIB will not be happy about this. Better make a reservation for your ex at Bangkwang. Think of all the money he will save in barfines?

Maybe some of the BIB making $15k baht per month can start doing some freelance work to increase their incomes? Nothing like a good shake down to stir things up.

Now was that a baggy of talcom power or something else they threw down on your sorry ass? Silly goose, should have just paid up, its cheaper and easier than going to prison and getting your ass fucked.

Man think of the possibilities?

We can have an online poll like American Idol. Who do you want to see outed this week? and then can turn their life upside down while making them an instant internet celebrity, which, by the way, will give them a great start on their own new found website.

I am not Galt, I have far too much free time on my hands to ever think about giving up my professional writing abilities or my new forthcoming career as BKK's newest webmaster, well not quite master. Maybe masterbater, sure.

Stay tuned for Kas Man on the WWW

Yes it will be a black background webpage with many colors, hard to read and extremely disorganized.

But who the hell needs to read and type when a picture is worth a thousand words?

Looking forward to splashing your face across the WWW.

Any programmers or webdevelopers contact me ASAP before the momentum slips away or I get banned before I can get my own site rolling.

How about Mango Squash Dave, free banner on your homepage for a month? What? What did you say? 30,000 baht?

How about if I send Prufuck, Road Nerdzi and Lack of Common Sense over to play a little Pulp Fiction? You can play the gimp of course.

Kas Man.com forever changing the Bangkok Internet scene. Life will never again be the same as we now know it.

Until then, your Bangkok wannabe commentator Kas "Not Keith" Man and your up and coming newest webmaster

Prufrock says:

Keith Summers is really into Whack-a-Mole it seems. The cunt will short out in due time.

Prufrock says:

@ Telemacus as he notes: "Broadbandbully,
Wow you just spang out of the woodwork didn't you."

Yeah. I'm with you on THAT one as well.

Regards
Prufrock

Wombat says:

Kasman

Familiar with the phrase "can't see the forest for the trees".

Spent most of the afternoon laughing at your post to Prufrock about him not having anything wortwhile to contribute. I can only assume you were indulging in self mockery as you contribute nothing here or indeed anywhere.

I should take my own advice & not get into arguments with idiots. It is difficult for bystanders to tell who is the idiot & the idiot always wins as he is more practiced at it.

KMS says:

Earth to Keith. Earth to Keith. Come in please.

Wombat says:

dingdongrb

I congratulate you on your ability to produce a seemingly random set of numbers & add them up to mean what exactly? Then to further your point you use foul language. What an admirable specimen you are. I refer you to the above posts to Kasman regarding the trouble with farangs in Thailand & the one about arguing with idiots. Both apply equally to you.

broadbandbully says:

Away for a few hours and i'm cast as at best a Keith Summers sympathiser, at worst Keith Summers himself.

Telemachus you are quite correct, I like to think of myself as an old hand, seeing MS for the first time in middle 2004 when because of spam problems David didn't have a comment box for too long. Even before Pro's Frock witnessed the big fight on Sukhumvit! I did use to post as someone else, but lost interest in the bitching last year. Found a new taste for it now, and some of the pricks who post here deserve all they get.

MS as given me some of the funniest moments on the web. "My wife is a minger" and "Pervert stalks Bangkokchat" still bring a smile too my face.

I don't want to stoop to the level of constant attacks on other posters, but one in particular really as to be answered, I'm sure i'm not on my own there! Maybe David can set up a seperate post for people indulging in verbal street fighting and insist on posts being on topic only. David is good at what he does, he knows best.

Am I Keith Summers? No! Wrong age, nationallity, different moral code, don't have a motorcycle spares company and not based in Chonburi (Is that where he resides?) I don't agree with what he did to Stickman, and to start on David will lose him alot of sympathisers.

So good night gentlemen, and Pro's Frock stop hurling rubbish about just because you don't agree with someone, you are ruining MS.

PS What ever happened to Fat Carrie, she used to hate me.

Poetic Justice says:

Quote from Galt's weekly column (19/4/07)

"Want to have some fun over over there?(Mango Sauce) Here is how -- just go over and make a real post with some thought and inside your posting write, "I am Keith Summers" or write "I am NOT Keith Summers". (by the way this is my name, The Great Galt is just a normal guy whose name is Keith Summers). Claiming your Keith Summers in disguise over there drives his readership nuts. David may censor you on this, but you should give it a try just watch how the Galt bashers come out of the wood-work and panic. It's funny as hell."

Jesus, who cares who is who? I just don't want to make the mistake of assuming Prufrock is human.

Oh, and I am not Keith Summ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

mob says:

We want Kas Man. We want Kas Man. That other Kasman dude was a real tosser.

dingdongrb says:

"I can no longer pretend that I care." - David

Nice 'cop-out' answer. I would expect something a little more original from you, a great writer.

dingdongrb says:

Wombrat,

What, my example of my "acquaintance with Thailand" doesn't make any mathematical sense to you? It makes as much sense how you obtained your 30 years, if not better. (Or would you like to be like my Father and tell me, 'Don't do what I do, do what I say'?)

My foul language? I guess you don't read others' post then do you? It only matters to you if the foul language is directed at you, right? Sorry to hurt your feelers.... Now go FUCK yourself, you old geezer.

By the way, David who says that he doesn't monitor IP addys in one breath and then in another states how everyone can use a proxy server can't actually ban anyone from this site. He could only if he changes his format and makes everyone register up and sign in. This would be way too much work for a lazy punk. Nonetheless, he would only get about a dozen of his 100 million readers to sign up.

Kas Man says:

Wombat

I am not here to contribute anything. I am paid under the table by Mango Dave to come in here and write shit that stirs everyone up, so that he will make more and more web traffic, to get more money from Google Adwords and advertising.

That is the real truth and it is time for it to be told. Mango Dave has been doing this for ages. Go back and re-read some of the other threads that have this many posts and you will see the familiar theme. It's a game to generate webtraffic.

There are always the Prurocks, Road Natzi's and other hanging around the site that will be good for creating contraversy and we all know contraversy sells bigtime.

By having Dave interject that everyone on here is really Keith Summers, Dave keeps everyone coming back to the site like a cheap soap opera. We all know Keith is public enemy number one and well hated, so who is a better name to keep splashing across every post reply made by Dave?

Which one is the real Keith? Is Keith even here? Everyone is Keith? It's Keith Mania for sure.

Come on now, you should see this coming a mile away.

Mango Sauce is not here strictly for your reading entertainment. It is a family run business to make money.

Dave plays you all like the fiddles that you are.

You are not Dave's friends and make no mistake about it. You are Dave's mechanism to make income. More or less Mango Slaves.

You do the dirty work of slamming on each other while Dave's traffic goes through the roof and he sits back counting all the cash.

Ever wonder why no one gets banned here?

Contraversy is the one thing Mango Sauce offers that NO OTHER SITE in Bangkok can match.

You cannot possibly think people come here to read intelligent articles or heartfelt reader submissions?

Now get some pails of shit and start tossing in every direction. The more hate and discontent and contravery, the more you will be helping Dave.

Kas "Your Soon to be Bangkok Commentator" Man reporting live from Bangkok, Thailand.

Jason Sore says:

at the end of the day, when all is said and done, Paul lost his job, his annonimity, his face , his dignity, his website and possibly even his maraige due to being 'outed' on the web. I think there is a very real possiblility
that the exact same thing could happen
to Dave. and that would be a shame,
because this site is very entertaining , topical and timely. We didnt lose much when stickmans ad site croaked, but we'll lose a real gem if Mangosauce goes down. Besides, alot of people would have a hole left in thier lives if this site wasnt here. To further risk this site and risk Dave being outed just isnt worth it.

Prufrock says:

@ Gas Man Your "Keithiness" just comes shining through every time, stoopid. Like poor table manners, bad grammar, failure to floss, that unfortunate decision NOT to shower and change your shirt in a climate where most of shower three times a day, and of course your embarrassingly small penis you cannot shake the Keithiness that stains the boxers of your every post.

Your recent acquisition, Keith, of a double-action turbo-powered grammar/spelling check is a step in the right direction but you still have a long ways to go.

May I suggest a brain transplant. As you know Thailand as a medical tourism hub has been suffering a dearth of traffic for the past six months.

But MY bet is you'll NEVER shake it. Fuck man, you can't even LOCATE the problem. It's insurmountable Keith because the problem is actually YOU.

What is clear to everyone but you, Keith, is that aside from driving yourself into a classically paranoid state, by now, you have as well, reinforced a monuMENTAL reasoning disability. This, in league with your masterful use of the 2345 actual English words in your vocabulary, brings that special Keithy Smeeers uniquanimity to anything you write.

Even your somchai posts (after you've flipped some poor Isaan kid a buck to spout "passa mung & goo" for you, are just FULL of Keithiness. It's ALL you and your strange ambition to become the most hated farang in Thailand.
More blue pills is NOT the answer.
Your "more is better " approach to self-medication is NOT helping.

Yer fecked, son ;-)

As I've said in the past (but you obviously need constant reminding): this all has absolutely NOTHING to do with Paul now. So stop scrambling for the imaginary high moral ground you've been inventing and trying to teach us about for the past six months ever since Paul wisely rejected your offer to peddle your joint venture sex-tourism site with that evil and demonstrably decadent fat chappie, your friend, Dexter Horne.

The horror and shock expressed by every Mango Sauce poster I've ever read, the horror and shock of this attempted pimp venture start-up is well documented. We here at MAngo Sauce rejected the Keith Summers "sex tourism concept". We ridicules it and your narcissistic tips on how to (shocking) trap and prey upon innicent Thai women.
Your early Galt posts were a shock to our sensibilities. Our collective revulsion for the concept you are so keen on (YOUR ADDICTION TO SEX TOURISM) demonstrates clearly that although some of us like to joke around a bit and have a few laughs at each other's expense, we are repelled by sex tourism promoters like you and Horne.

Keith, (straight deal) Come clean. We can all take a joke and we all can understand a little mistake here and there. Make a list of your aliases, and post them under your own name with some kind of perfunctory apology.
You would be surprised at the response.
Don't do it on your site because No one will actually notice. Do it, as you do EVERYTHING ELSE, on THIS site.

You'll feel better.

Prufrock says:

Hi Everybody: I'm currently ignoring all posts from dinglpringlrb, somchai (Keith's time is valuable, Keith Summers, Kasman, Kas Man, anyone on a morally motivated , Keith Summers-like pukefest, and anyone who just as Telemachus ha noted, "pops out of the woodwork" and starts to lionize the likes of Summers, and other extreme nutcases as (having a point"
I would appreciate hearng from other posters as to just who is for real and who is not.
As the majority of us know, it's not hard to tell who's who.

BTW, my driver, the thuggish Johnnie Tokyo, tells me that Summers has been strongly advised to keep his site focused onto his turn-signal business and to stay clear of the sex tourism business.

It will be interesting to see how Summers deals with this veiled threat by the powers that be, to add him to any list of endangered websites that they chose to drawn up.

dingdongrb says:

Pruie says: "But MY bet is you'll NEVER shake it. Fuck man, you can't even LOCATE the problem."

Wombrat says: "Mommy, Mommy, Prufrock said a bad word. Can I wash my mouth out with his little weenie?"

Wombat says:

LMAO

dingdongrb says:

Pruie,

You're a dolt. You commence off on your posting saying how you're going to evade all of us conspicuously anyone seeming to be KS and then you end your squeamish post all about KS. Man, I tell you, you're genuinely infatuated with the guy, aren't you? Does he give you wet dreams?

Kas Man says:

Huey, Duey, Louie and Pruie

"My driver the thuggish Johnnie Tokyo"

Pruie come on now? I saw you getting off the bus heading for work this morning. Driver my ass.

At least Keith has a motorcyle.

Telemachus says:

"You are not Dave's friends and make no mistake about it. You are Dave's mechanism to make income. More or less Mango Slaves." Kas Man

*Telemachus raises his chained hands to the sky in a gesture of hope that one day he may be free, then he, KMS, Prufrock and Common Sense are made to continue toiling under the lash of Massa David* WTF

Kas Man it would be better if you got over it too. That is if you are not in fact Keith Summers. Oh and Keith Summers, why, why?

Telemachus says:

Kas (if in fact you are not you know who) Man

Believe it or not Johnnie Tokyo was a name that Prufrock used to post under from time to time. Yes the legend had other handles, the shame, the shame ;D

Prufrock says:

2 Telemachus: My sources tell me that Summers is gonna run away to devote more time to his wildly profitable turn-signal and sex tour ventures. With actual visits to his stoopid site split evenly between people who remain fans of Ayn Rand and people who HATE Summers, I suggest Summer's lost the will to get it on every week.
Who gives a shit?

He gets more exposure for his narcissistic schizophrenia on Mango Sauce so I reckon he and his cast of crazies will continue to pollute the blog. There'll be new names of course, but the style will always be the same. We'll soon have a code name for him so that even a paranoid of his caliber will be unaware that he's being referenced.

A friend of mine used to be a disc jockey back in Toronto and he got to the point where he could listen hear the first note or two and he knew what the song would be.
Same songs, same artists, same cover bands but always the same message and very little of anything else ever added.
I've got dinglspring, Kasman, Kas Man, a flurry of three or four aliases over the Songkran hiatus and anyone who posts as someone else while making a radical departure from their usual message and /or diction and/or posting style.
It's just getting more and more obvious who's who.

These twats can be easily ignored.

Dicer says:

No problem all...this is a great racially harmonised place...In yur dreams... more like land of the supercute Chinese bugs.

http://www.bangkokrecorder.com/blog/
bangkok-blog/racism-in-thailand-930.html

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/
2007/04/thailand-and-racial-discrimination.html

http://pages.citebite.com/i1m5r5g6n5ovh

After all is said and done though Thailand is in a much better state than Burma, Indonesia, India and China when it comes to race/caste relations.

Johnnie Tokyo says:

Yes Telemachus: I still drive for the old prick around from time to time. But this young guy? Jack Bauer?
Jumpy, moody fucker but he's offering me twice the money (1 oz. Maple Leafs) and his Dodge Charger is more reliable than Prufrock's clapped out Deuxchevaux.

What got to me was all those hours of fucking idling in the afternoon heat. Usually, Capt. Bush Lane next to the Oriental while Prufrock took a light lunch on the Terrace or in the early evenings when he cruised the Bamboo Bar for Hi-So divorcees, bored Western chicks and the odd bit of disinherited Chula pussy.
Some of the younger ones worked as waitresses. He called them his "hot-house flowers".

The old bastard'd come out, sometimes after an hour or two, invariably with a giggling, laughing, thirty-ish sometimes thirty-fivish woman on his arm. Joking in French or Italian. (Prufrock's Italian was just terrible. It wasn't the real thing. It was Abruzzi patois he learned from the guys he grew up with.)

The women? Prufrock's women?
Older big-assed Central Thai chicks were usually his deal. Maintained they all craved oral sex and that he was there for them.
He'd drive. He'd put her in the passenger seat I'd pack myself into the back seat and Prufrock'd drive.
Said he wanted to be near the glove box.

I never fuckin' asked, Okay?.

So we'd shoot across town.
Then he'd make me hang in front of the Emporium (more recently the Paragon) The two of them. Prufrock and the broad, would run in to the food shop there for "picnic supplies" as he'd call them.
He was always jokin' around like that.

Coupla bottles of Dom, a fruit basket. It seemed like part of the ritual. I dunno. He looked like he was enjoyed it, though.

But he never told me anything except that for sure, he'd replace that fuckin' Deuxcheveaux with something less embarrassing "in the fullness of time". He kept saying that.
It was always "In the near future" or "In the fullness of time."

And, oh yeah. That I should keep his old 9mm Sig Sauer (fucking blueing was worn off right down to the stainless and I had to clean it every week, fired or not) in the glove box and that I should keep it loaded. S&W Talons.

His favorite short time venue was the Atlanta.
Yeah, I know, all about that.

But it was part of what he called his "glass slipper routine."

Weird fucker.

kwai mai sabai says:

Jason Sore Loser: I guess the Great Galt's solicitation for funds to out David fell flat when he didn't even receive one satang.
Motocy signal-light sales must be way down to have to resort to panhandling like the young farang dude outside MBK who only needs 1000 more baht to fly back home (every week).
If it's true that The Great Galt site has suffered a long-overdue death, may it R.I.P.

Mac says:

" ... actual visits to his stoopid site split evenly between people who remain fans of Ayn Rand and people who HATE Summers ..." -Prufrock

I think maybe another group of visitors to Summers' stoopid, badly written and insufferably boring website is psychologists/psychiatrists, who for professional reasons are fascinated by the bizarre set of psychotic symptoms he presents. You really have to wonder about the twisted, obsessive, perverse kind of mindspace this guy inhabits.

The whole Summers/Kasman-Dinklesprinkle fixation centres on other Thailand-oriented websites, mainly Mangosauce and Stickman, and the notion that they fall short of what he laughably considers to be his own lofty standards. Trouble is, his own site is a steaming turd, yet he wants everyone to praise it as the gold standard.

Lacking the requisite talent to create a popular site, the only option Keith can see is to plague and harass the sites that *are* popular, to make an utter and complete nuisance (not to mention fool) of himself. Like a child who disrupts and spoils the game for everyone once he sees he is losing. One who is so psychologically needy that he just can't stand to see anyone else getting any attention.

Why not just let it be and GO AWAY if you don't like it? It's like returning to a shitty restaurant night after night so you can bitch about how bad the food is. Go some place else. Cook for yourself. GET A LIFE. Would you torture yourself day in and day out by constantly playing music you hated (rap/hip-hop in my case)? Of course not. Well, Maybe if you were Summers/Crassman you would.

He is the classic nobody/nothing who wants to be taken as a somebody/something, and like history's great losers, he can only build himself up by trying to tear others down. Like an Arthur Bremmer, a Sirhan SIrhan, a Lee Harvey Oswald. Like the guy in Peter Gabriel's song Family Snapshot. "I want to be somebody ... I need some attention, I shoot into the light."

Like a (shudder) Cho Seung-Hui.

The guy really does need to pull back and get professional help. It will end badly for him if he doesn't.

Telemachus says:

Prufrock/Johnnie Tokyo,

Having that piece of verbal diarrhoea addressed to me was less than pleasant. Surely I warrant more than that distended piece of crap.

Should we exist in a state of detente and blog in our own merry way, yes but please refrain from using me in order to write a tract of neurotic garbage; do not mistake my civility towards you as deference, I do not think that highly of you.

hehehehe

Prufrock says:

2 KMS: Just go to 'who would have motive?' for pumping up "whose" gravitas and out comes that veiled threat: a skid-stain on the toilet bowl of life. Shot spot on a weenie's Y-fronts. Still goin' with the "more is better" self-medication theory.

@ Wombat: I'm assuming you've dropped in to the crash site. Can you give us a sense of what Gasman's last gasp might sound like?

2 All: Is this the part of the movie where Glenn CLose springs up out of the water from her prone position in the Michael Douglas' bathtub ?

dingdongrb says:

"Coupla bottles of Dom" - Pruie

Come'on Pruie, The only Dom you ever had was Dom Deluise up your ass. Get a life you fag!

broadbandbully says:

Pro's Frock, ignoring me wont make me go away!

I'll stop posting about you as soon as you stop rubbishing other posters contributions.

How old are you anyway? Really!

ozricdan says:

we are still welcome, very much if we have something to offer.
as a xenophobic country you have to say the thais put up with a lot of shit from tourists but you have feel that the wide smiles that are iconic of thailand are wearing thin. however even if we are not welcome the economic situation in thailand will almost certainly make us welcome to the thais wether they are smiling or not.

'mai pen rai' as the thais say when they really give a shit but dont want you to know that they do!

please come again and enjoy OUR country.

Faber & Faber says:

broadbandbully says:

"Prufrock... as soon as you stop rubbishing other posters contributions."

Unfortunately, that is Prufrock's raison d'etre. Bluebottles feed on shite: Prufrock feeds on others' posts. The parasitical canadian is like an empty space waiting to be filled. There have been some excellent posts on this thread. Carl Jung's analysis on Prufrock's sub human personality really hit the mark. Note Prufrock's reply to this and you will see a man defeated. He has become persona non gratis on the web and lacks the wit or verbal skills to counter any genuine criticism. Also noteworthy is the parody from the Ubon Hearald: cutting, precise and most entertaining. Prufrock was seething after this post and let loose with all sorts of insults. Very sad indeed.

Getting solace from the aids-ridden- cum-soaked pop-tart Om Sin, and the occasional arse-licking from Road Natzi, are his only avenues for sympathy.

A hooker on Soi 6 was hit by a random bulllet the other day and many other less deserving people suffer tragedy in Thailand. Lets hope nature takes its course and weeds out those not fit for existence. Perhaps a drunk driver will do us a favour and splatter Prufrock all over the Landmark hotel.

Tis a wish devoutly to be desired...

Coleen Duplock says:

it still gets my panties in a wad that Paul was outed and subsequently asked to leave our place of employment thanks to the likes of one Kieth Summers. I am just grateful that Mangosauce at least has the testicular fortitude to allow all points of view on this issue, no matter how seemingly inane. Kudos to Dave for his tolerence and hard work keeping Mangosauce # 1.

Wombat says:

Not sure what you mean by the crash site. In answer to your question, & noting the use of the name Gasman, the answer you seek is possibly a wet fart.
It's unusual for you to be obscure.

JohnnieTokyo says:

Mr Prufrock's in Mae Sot on business. He texted this note in my response to my forward mailing of your post.

"Faber . . . . faber...fab . . . yeah: (wasn't he the chap offering sweaty glory hole sex to all comers a month or so ago on this site?)
Yes, of course. Maybe two months. But it was Faber. Sad case really. Not much to say unless he was scato-phrasing someone else's post. (Well there were all those offers of man-to-man sex but they, as far as I know went unaccepted by other posters on Mango Sauce.

Anyway, I'm afarid Faber's "persona non gratis" (sic) his bias and lack of substance blow the cover on yet another jealous stalker.
Summers was at least a certifiable psychopath worthy of his daily mauling by anyone on the site. As Mac has observed, Summers merited examination and scrutiny as an exemplary schizophrenic.
This Faber fellow is rather a bit of a toilet boy, I should think.
So, Faber and his homo-erotic fantasies and proclivities are not really worth the time are they? Not MY time anyway.

And Johnnie? No need to "get the bat out of the boot" just yet. Faber's depiction of the luscious Om Sin is of course a reflection of his attitude towards all women and his ignorance of Om Sin's tricks with knives and razors.

Laughing at gay men was NEVER easier. Either way I do not care.

So I'll turn the screening issues in all matters FAber, over to you Johnnie.

Regards
Prufrock

Faber: as things stand, I won't have time to read your messages as well. I've got Mr. Bauer's schedule in the late evenings and Prufrock's rounds during business hours.

You are what Mr Prufrock has previously referred to as a pest. He will no longer extend to you the courtesy of a response.

(Mr Prufrock says he has better things to do than to respond to imitative bowdlerizations of his own diction and nominal approximations of his identity. In other words he's willing to resume the connection as it was left.

Severed.

As a disinterested observer, Faber I'd have to say knowing Prufrock the way I do that he means it.
In the interests of saving time, I'll just go along with it.

Bubye Faber

dingdongrb says:

"So, Faber and his homo-erotic fantasies and proclivities are not really worth the time are they? Not MY time anyway." - Pruie

"In the interests of saving time, I'll just go along with it." - Johnnie Tokyo (aka Pruie on a night of binge drinking Changs)

It's really funny that ye ole Pruie can definitely conjure up a good hacking to most anyone that he disagrees with. He tries his best of pulling out his ye ole thesaurus and poke at all. Then when someone takes a poke back at the ole geezer he makes a post of how he no longer will acknowledge them or respond. This is good, maybe soon when he stops screwing the local Rangsit hos he'll finally wake up to the conclusion that very few like him.

I personally think that he should start saving some of that teachers' pay and maybe try to buy a few friends. His alter ego thinking that he has creative writing skills is really not getting the job done.

Perhaps soon he will discover that Road Nutzi has passed a bad case of HIV up his ass and he soon will write us a last suicide note. Ahhh then the dancing in the streets will begin.

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dingdongrb

Your crassness is inexcusable.

David

Prufrock says:

@ Colleen Duplock
Colleen, as you are fully aware, the over-medicated pond-scum that outed Paul currently enjoys status as the single most reviled and despised foreign person in Thailand.
While NEVER much a fan of Paul, I as many others, am looking forward to the day when Paul gets his degree sorted out and can come back to the country he so loves to teach and perhaps run a blog.

Shithouse rat Keith Summers seems to think he's actually gotten away with this sneaky, stab-in-the-back disgusting maneuver. Indeed he rationalizes that somewhere out there that there are people who would have done the same.
Not bloody likely.

In a country where lying, cheating, stealing and calumny are indeed normal business procedure; the order of the day, Keith Summers despicable outing of Paul for Paul's refusal to submit to his blackmail and to publicize Keith's sex tours, stands out as a headliner.
I'm simply amazed that Summers thinks that this will go unanswered.
This thing is NOT over.
Paul had a lot of detractors but he also has a lot of friends.
Scuttlebutt in an Irish pub I frequent for its quiet atmosphere is that there's money on the table if the "first pass" at Keith gets media.
Then the ante will be doubled and there'll be a "second pass" and so on. This can go on for a long time, or until someone "overdoes it" or Keith gets Jimmy Morrison(ed) in his new roof garden hot tub.

JohnnieTokyo says:

Wombat: Prufrock advises me that crash site = What's his name's blog??? (that you said was like a car wreck??)
And Gasman?? (It's a Thai pronunciation - with "ก" instead of a "K"

Poetic Justice says:

JohnnieTokyo says:

"Mr Prufrock's in Mae Arse on business."

Nuff said...

somchai says:

prufock,

so how many times are you going to say you'll ignore me before you actually ignore me?

by the way, goo/muang isn't lingo reserved for farmers -- it can be used between closed friends or in talking aggressive to someone you dislike --- like a racist keyboard warrior, who got called out and revealed himself as a whiny little bitch who's running away crying, talking about "i don't want to talk to you anymore. i don't want to talk to you anymore. you're so mean to me."

well, boo focking hoo, who asked you to address my post in the first place?

ai nah tua mia

translation: 'bitch, you've been owned'

broadbandbully says:

How many posters can a 14 year old geek from canada threaten? When his only claim to fame his being able to beat his keyboard and his small penis at the same time!

Which website does Pro's Frock use to gather all of his info on LOS?

Dingdongrb, before you cast dispersions on Rangsit Hos, you should see the poor ladies in the lean too's across from Mo Chit Bus Terminal. Old Hos used to end up at the Beer garden on Soi 7, now they find their way to Mo Chit to service the speed freak bus drivers!

dingdongrb says:

"dingdongrb

Your crassness is inexcusable." - David

Ahhhh a reply from someone who I thought was ignoring me.... Thanks for the compliment oh Lord David, oh pal, oh buddy.

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dingdongrb

You mocked a man knowing full well that he is gravely ill and you don't have the decency to apologise.

Your tenure on this forum has just ended.

David

Telemachus says:

Read the Carl Jung post, very funny. Wrote a similar piece before on Pru's need to curry favour and control people; however, I must point out to Road that Jung was Swiss and indeed Carl you were Swiss not Austrian. Doesn't make what you said about Pru-diddles any less true...

Wombat says:

dingdongrb

What a creature you are. A decent person, if not feeling any degree of sympathy, would shut up. But not you. Your family must be proud of you. You reflect untold credit on them. When you belly up to the bar for your pissing contest so you can tell everyone within earshot how much more you know & how much smarter you are is it any wonder they find excuses to leave noddy no friends.

You are an arrogant, ignorant fucking moron. I would call you a cunt but cunts are useful. You are not. You are shark shit lying on the bottom of the ocean. You can't get any lower than that.

Prufrock says:

somchai, (WOODY) Whatever, listen kid, whether you sort of speak nonsense English because you sat around in a dorm and ate pizza for four years in OZ, or because you're a spolled brat with nothing else to do, the fact remains that you use our language at a 13 year-old's level.
You can take that one to the bank.

I am not interested in talking with a thirteen to 25 year-old punk who sounds like he's got a job somewhere trying to fish foreign bloggers into racist tirades.

I use your primitive (33000 word) language to tell the bank teller to give it to me in large bills and to tell the cab driver where to go and to pull bored 3rd yr. Chula pussy out of the Langsuan Starbucks.

That's right Wirawut, those girls? Well they are fucking bored with you (the smart ones anyway). The others'll only fuck you if their moms say its a step up. That is because in THIS movie, you're the fat moma's boy who fucks the maid.
Even the maid is bored.
You're boring, kid, just plain boring.
Uninteresting. The only trick you have is your flat, stoopid stringing together of Anglo/Ebonic cliches.

Woody? I don't give a shit if you ARE Thai. I don't care about anything about you. You are a cipher. Nothing to me or anyone else except those other useless wastes of space you hang with and giggle with.

That will get you applause from the fools who admire that sort of parlor trick. But to us. To people with some education and breeding and some real background you are terminally boring.
Sorry. There's no kind way to say this. You inspire sleep.

Now, you will notice that for the entire duration of this post I said nothing to you nor did I address any of the points you might have thought you made.
That means I ignored you.

And you? You stood and you took it from me for about ten paragraphs of speed typing.
Good boy.

broadbandbully says:

Pro's Frock, is all the anti Pro's Frock posts getting to you.

Now you start on Som Chai about being a spoiled kid, sounds like your'e living out your dreams through your posts, except you don't have a maid to sexually harass, only your palm!

I bet your saving all the money you earn from your paper round, car washing and cookie sales to buy a ticket to BKK for your 18th birthday?

Hopefully by then, (getting back on topic) the Junta is history and the status quo as been restored. Foreigners will be welcomed back as walking ATM's, as is their only well known use. You may even meet a lovely young lady who will spank your monkey for you, while you hammer the keyboard. So long as you pay the vets bill for her families water buffalo.

Loose Cannon says:

Prufrock wrote:

"To people with some education and breeding and some real background..."

Surely you cannot be including yourself in this category Prufrock? True, your mother was a prolific breeder (endless testimony written on toilet walls throughout Canada testifies to this) but your writing style displays a very limited education. In fact YOU are a background. Like some obscure radio channel, you emit noise pollution and add nothing to this site. I bet if your head was opened on the operating table it would emit a foul odour.

Its easy to imagine you "tapping" away at your keyboard, re-reading your posts and smiling your smug-pug-ugly smile.

By the way, I look forward to the soon- to-be published expose, by the Ubon Herald, on your retarded love interest, Om Sin. She has been a busy little ho' hasn't she...???

Poetic Justice says:

If Road Natzi is very ill, as David States, then I wish him a speedy recovery.

Good Luck Road Natzi.

Ubon Herald says:

Road Natzi, whatever it is that is making you ill: may it pass quickly

Regards

Loose Cannon says:

Road Natzi,

David says you are "gravely ill." I hope it isn't too serious. Hope to see you back here givin' as good as you get.

Take care

Faber & Faber says:

Take it easy Road Natzi. Get yourself fit andd well.

Regards

Prufrock says:

Loose Condom: If my "writing style" is so poor, why do you go to such great pains to imitate it? (SLAVISHLY)

If you have so much to add to this blog why is everything you say derived from my posts? (check THAT out)

Om Sin, herself, could twist your arm off and shove it up your ass. But we're on the internet and you know that aside from your "loose condom", lotion and the wank sites you peruse regularly - your self-administered tug and wipe sessions are the only action you are getting.

In any case, "loose Canon" is likely a screen name you came up with after great deliberation and contemplation. Most likely you've either used it elsewhere or you fancy yourself a bit of a player.

Loose Condom? Flipped out THAT riff on your handle in a nanosecond. I'll bet even YOU laughed.

Are you SURE you want to do this? You post like a man who has nothing to say. The derivative blatherings you suggest might be so witty are a) few and far between, b) wearing out your spell/grammar check c) boring, sleepmaking ick.

I WILL say something positive here. You are not Keith Summers :-).

Neither is Telemachus.
(Telly needs to find a girlfriend though. C'mon telly, out of the bars, off the sex-tourism trail, stop bringing up video flashes from your ex-eives better days and change your sheets.
And wash you hands before you post.)

Broadbandbullshitter and Pathetic Nonsense ? I am not so sure. I need to see more from them. They don't post enough. I suspect though that with Summers having closed down his site (somebody should put up his Alexa stats from time to time as he drifts into the realm of common space garbage after gratuitously ruining a man's life here.

And Ubon Harold (I picture a guy with pores in his nose that are so big you could hide rolls of baht in them, suspenders (belts are for decoration now), thinning hair and a limited imagination. I will wait his next highschool newspaper attempt to link me with what he believes I must be.)

somchai, I believe is a Thai kid (that's anywhere from 15 to 27 the rough edges of whose English we smooth out when we reply to him. fbuom, do we get NGO status for that ;-?

Common? Have you gotten too busy with your degree? I'm enjoying Camuschula's blog. http://www.thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/

And Road Natzi. Jesus . . . . . . what a drag, man. Hang in there, your friends are standing shoulder to shoulder with you, good fellow. We're here for you ;-)

Prufrock says:

, "is all the anti Pro's Frock posts getting to you." (sic) you might as well have signed it, Keith ;-)

"No Keith, because it's quite clear to all who makes a lot of them. The others, well I can easily handle them.

Busy now, though.

So you've dropped your site and you're trying to muckle-suck onto the rate here at Mango Sauce.

Here's a funny story.
There was this desperate guy who needed 100000 baht to stay here - so his wife could have her baby in a clean room or for a blow-out week in Patts or to buy himself a 23 kt gold bracelt and chain or to bet on the pools, or well, hehe you name it, Keith.
You fucking just name it.
Anyway, and all he ad to do to get it
was to . . . . well, you get the picture, Keith.
You put a price on THIS blog owner?

Summers,you sick stalking waste of a human body, I would NOT want to be you.

This is gonna stand for as long as it takes.

Joe Black says:

Sometimes silence is Golden. Prurock, no need to comment on every single thing that is written, give it a break for a couple days and take a vacation.

What happened to Road Natzi, I am in the dark here? Any one care to share the story of what happened?

broadbandbully says:

Pruffers Pro's Frock is loosing his marbles, The last rant strikes me as the lull before the physical and mental explosion.

Your posts are getting worse, re-hashing bits and coming up with no new rubbishing statements. Like when a major network long running program is reaching the end of its run, they put out an episode with a major character as a retrospective look back at previous episodes. Your last post smacks of this.

So from all the people you mention;

Loose Cannon, "I Don't care what you say, your'e just plain stupid"

Keith Summers, "I'm going to stork you and stikman led lights up your schoolboy ass. Anyone want too buy a ticket"

Myself, "Knowing whether i'm Keith Summers or not and you not knowing is just too good"

Ubon Herald "14 year old Canadian found dead, it is believed bodily fluids came into contact with his keyboard causing death by 220V"

Somchai "Whatever my age, i'm getting under your skin"

Common Sense "Go away, i've 10000 better things to do at the moment"

Road Natzi "Cheers" (Whatever the problem, there is always light at the end of the tunnel, i've been there sevaral times in the last five years, i'm still here and srtonger."

Sorry if the personalities above don't agree with me, I try not to use bad language.

From the list above, can't you see Pro's Frock, that most of the regular posters hate you and would not be worried if you never posted again. Stay on topic, don't rubbish other people, tidy your bedroom and catch up with your schoolwork.

What does Faber & Faber have to say on Pro's Frock?

Wombat says:

It is great to see that dingdong was finally banned. Now we can have peace amongst ourselves. Good job MS!

Wombat says:

Prufrock

That is the trouble with posting so often while I have nothing much else to do & conducting a conversation over a couple of days. You lose the thread. That's my excuse for not picking up the crash site reference.

My interest in Thailand has never extended to trying to learn the language. Some would say my grasp of English is tenuous as it is. Even if I did try to learn Thai there are very few Thais were I live so little chance to practice. In the future when I can afford to semi retire I will be able to spend a greater amount of time there & as a consequence will no doubt make a concerted effort to learn the language.

On another topic the Ubon Herald post was funny. Not realistic but funny anyway. I mean look at the theme of 3 of Summers weekly drivel. Firstly there is the step up guy. Message being don't mess with me. Secondly we have the athlete who specialises in running. Though I wouldn't be bragging about those times. Last but not least was the one about cops arresting whoever initiates the fight.

What can be concluded by all this? Summers is what we call here a would be if he could be. Ample evidence of that on his site. He is not a fighter he is a runner. He is not a lover either. He needed to go on an organised tour to get laid in Thailand. How ridiculous is that? Presumably he required help putting it in & someone to move his arse up & down. A thankless task if there ever was one. So, in the event of a confrontation he would rely on his moderate ability to run to the cops & leave it to them to take whatever action they deemed appropriate. Undoubtedly after consulting that famous caddy & international authority on Thai & farang Kasman.

In summary it was funny just not very realistic.

Prufrock says:

Broadnandbullshitter: Thank you for your opinions on all those other posters here. Pity you have such a narrow focus on life (yourself) that you crave a constant re-colorization of what everyone agrees is, to put it simply, shit (your life).

Now you want someone to "step up" and put a different slant on your pathetic narrative. You'd like it re-written into something glamorous. But you have to contribute something and you can't because you're just old new "b-b-bullshitter".

And, gawd, what a crushing bore as well.
And stoopid. Like the dog turds on my soi one gets cleaned up, another takes its place. .
Ignored by most everyone here, not out of malice, but the way people generally avoid avoid bores

Your silly-assed niggling fantasy conception of me is ALL you have. It's so far from the reality and so bloody dull, boring and derivative of others like you that I'll simply ignore your stoopid self-important posts from now on.

somchai says:

wow, prufock... baby...

that's a pretty long reply post from someone who has stated many times that he's ignoring me...

you just don't know how to quit me, do you, prufock? :)

chula girls? starbucks? dormitories? oh boy, you really are not good at flaming, are you?

but at least you're admitting that you were wrong about me being keith summers. congratulations, baby steps, prufock, baby steps... learning is a long process, soon i'll start potty train you :)

Faber & Faber says:

Broadbandbully,

Every time I type Prufrock,, my keyboard emits a fetid odour not unlike rotting cheese. In military terms, Prufrock's style of writing is called "saturation bombing." He simply types away all sorts of nonsense and vomits it all over the web hoping for a "hit".

I have tracked him on other forums and the responses he gets are all similar: derision, scorn and ridicule. He seems to have no friends at all.

On the openinng page of Mango Sauce, cast your eye to the right of the home-page and look at how many postings Prufrock submits. He has become obsessed with seeing his name online. Some graffitti artists produce amazing works: some simply have no talent and leave nothing but a "tag." Prufrock is of the latter category. He bombards MS with worthless opinions, witless observations and juvenile attacks on any material of worth.

But at least he has stopped with those awful impressions of local dialects which were way off the mark anyway.

When reading Prufrock's comments I sense his urgent neeed to impress how much he, thinks, he knows.

Remember the maxim Prufrock "the more one knows, the less one has to show."

Let's take an example of his attempts at humour.

"Ubon Harold (I picture a guy with pores in his nose that are so big you could hide rolls of baht in them."

I mean...erm...what can I say? Besides making someone cringe, what does this mean?? There is no thought involved: it is just drivel.

I suppose the only place welcome to Prufrock lies between Om Sin's hairy tatooed thighs.

Observe his response to this post and you will see how bitter and un-funny he can be.

Poetic Justice says:

Prufrock has finally said something which is fucking hilarious. Check this out:

"Prufrock says:

I used to be a copy editor for a major Canadian daily and nobody except maybe the odd blog owner is as good at this as I am."

(from another page on MS)

Haha! Prufrock you dickwad. Now your arrogance knows no bounds. Do you really think proof-reading some boondock backward mag is a sign of intelligence.

Get a life son and get off yer donkey.

broadbandbully says:

Haaaa Pro's Frock, all this getting to you? This is the second time youv'e promised to ignore me, should I feel honoured?

One thing i've never done or will ever do is fantasize about you. I just think the scenario of the 14 year old pre pubescent geek is the one that will get up your nose the most, by the looks of it i'm right! I'm here to help you Pro's Frock, too help you get back into mainstream posting without the need to rubbish everyone's opinion, too help you stop being the most hated poster on all the blogs you currently have in your litter tray. When all this as come to pass we can have a civilised discusion at my favourite Italian restaurant on Soi 8, my shout. You can show me some of the slick street fighting moves you picked up from the many online brawls you have taken part in.

As it stands, if you never posted anywhere again, no one would care because no one would notice. You call me self important, how wrong you are! You don't know me, you think you know who I am, but like your whole persona you are wrong. C'mon Prufers Pro's Frock get back with the program, post on topic. I and others will stop rubbishing you for rubbishing other people. Wouldn't life be great, then you'll be able to catch up on all your school work.

Getting back on topic, I see that last year applications for settlement visa's to the UK are up by 15%, most of the increase coming after the coup. Are all the ex ex-pats taking their Thai partners back to the UK because of the Junta? Could it be that the Thai's have worn out their welcome as hosts?

Wombat says:

Yes Prufrock how many times are you going to say you'll ignore someone and then you really do? Do you tell those Rangsit whores that you'll pay them and never do?

[This is a fake comment that wasn't typed by Wombat - David]

Wombat says:

Prufrock

Wombat says:

Yes Prufrock how many times are you going to say you'll ignore someone and then you really do? Do you tell those Rangsit whores that you'll pay them and never do?

That wasn't me. Most likely some juvenile that fancies himself as a comedian.

Common Sense says:

Faber & Faber,
For someone who claims to detest war as much as Prufrock, he sure does have the concept of attrition warfare down pat. I'm afraid he'll never learn the art of less being more in some cases. He's a lost cause in that regard.

Oh well, I can tolerate him as long as he cuts out the idiotic attempts to recreate British Yob accents in written form and stops accusing everyone of being Keith Summers. He's starting to sound like Grunt in that regard. Possibly they suffer from the same mental illness.

Smiler says:

Prufrock, for fuck’s sake get a television, a social life or anything that takes you away from the internet for a while. The miserable pissed up old git at Sonkran routine was painful for everyone to witness. Now you are on the edge of an “I am a good author, here are my reviews” Dean Barrett style hissy fit. The healthcare is of a good standard and affordable by all accounts in Thailand, why not jog on and get that keyboard surgically removed? It is for your own good, people are starting to get concerned.

Hey Road Natzi, come back soon mate.

Kas Man says:

Prurock,,

"And, gawd, what a crushing bore as well. And stoopid. Like the dog turds on my soi one gets... "

What language does "GAWD" and "STOOPID" come from? Is that Canadian?

Or did the world famous copy editor do a screw up?

One would expect a professional copy editor to have higher standards, unless in fact, you were never a copy editor?

Well maybe for www.bullshitter.com?

Prufrock says:

@Wombat, "That wasn't me. Most likely some juvenile that fancies himself as a comedian."

You sure? Sounds like the wanker thing you would say.

[This is another fake comment. If anyone else has had their handle stolen by an idiot, please contact me - David]

Wombat says:

Prufrock

Absolutely. As a general rule I only use the word whore when refering to a particular female. I may use it on occasions when pissed. I was not pissed yesterday. I am slightly pissed now. O'Leary Walker cab sav from the Clare Valley is a good drop if you ever get the chance.

Dasein808 says:

Prufrock: "Now, you will notice that for the entire duration of this post I said nothing to you nor did I address any of the points you might have thought you made. That means I ignored you."

Doublethinking ironic delusions are funny.

Hesitant Health Science geek says:

I have read the thread and the many responses. The opinions offered have further reinforced my decision not to relocate to Thailand for a few months per annum and invest in some facilities. I am not a sexpat nor do I wish to exploit anyone. I am wealthy by Thai standards and would bring employment opportunities that are not provided by the local economy. However, the maze of forms and nasty bureacracy is incredibly discouraging. Add to this a growing palpable hostility to foreigners, the increasing threat of terror atatcks, and the political instability. I appreciate that I was wise to pass on Thailand.

Countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, Canada and some carribean nations are offering subsidies and assistance for people like me with the benefit that I can draw upon a reliable infrastructure, educated populace and common language.

The net result is that Thailand as much as it may wish to discourage certain types of foreigners, by its very acts and mindset is scaring off the foreigners it covets and being left with the lowend type it dislikes. In 10 years time, Thailand will have no one to blame but itself when other nations are so far ahead, that all Thailand can do is sell rice and its people.

Kas Man says:

Hesitant Health Science geek:

If you believe any of that crap you wrote, we don't want you here anyways.

Did you take notice that this is the internet and not real life? Trying to judge Thailand by what is written here is just about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

Are you trying to take over from Prurock for being the stupied fucker on here?

Too many dicks like you talk about business while many have already done.

So either put up or shut up. If you feel you need govt subsidies to get rolling, you will never make it here or anywhere else.

My advice?

Try McDonalds. They are always looking for french fry cooks.

broadbandbully says:

Kas Man, your reply to hesitant health science geek smacks as a Pro's Frock reply. This guy as a different opinion to you, so what do you do?

a) Thank him for his post as a first time poster, point out you think he is wrong and give your opinion.

b) Just call him a "Stupied Fucker" and go off on a Pro's Frock style rant.

A would have been nice, but its B you gave us, maybe other posters are right about you! Or was it a fake post?

somchai says:

hesitant healthcare geek,

canada: english food, french technology, american culture

thailand: italian food, chinese technology, japanese culture

why, we are like long lost brothers...:)

Kas Man says:

BBB,

Why in the world do we care why anyone has chosen NOT to relocate here to Thailand?

That puts Hesitant Health Science Geek, along side the other 100 billion people on earth that do not leave here.

Why does anyone care if he relocates or not?

Kas Man says:

Hesitant Health Science Geek,

If you are such a geek, please tell us what is the common language you refer to here?

Countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, Canada and some carribean nations are offering subsidies and assistance for people like me with the benefit that I can draw upon a reliable infrastructure, educated populace and common language.

Philippines, Vietnam, Canada and the Carribean, now what language is common?

For you information, Thailand has a reliable infrastructure, educated populace, and common language, THAI.

Back to geography class for you.

With your unsound logic, you would get eaten alive in Thailand in no time flat.

I would be interested to hear what product or service you offer that is not currently available in Thailand?

Better do some more research Bub.

Common Sense says:

With the exception of maybe Vietnam (shagged a few but by now means a cultural expert) the common language would be ENGLISH you ignorant FUCKWIT.

broadbandbully says:

Kas Man, your'e right, I don't care who moves to Thailand, the pople who should care are the Thai's. I believe that is what Hesitant Health Science Geek as trying to say. Several countries in the region do offer valuable incentives to invest in their country, some not as far down the developed road as Thailand.

Thailand in many respects is going backwards, Military Goverment, bizarre stock exchange rules, difficult and changing visa requirments, security issues and a reliance on one major foreign currency earner. Outside the Sukhumvit Bubble, people are getting poorer, more in debt and only solice is an ageing Monarch. Should there be just a slight world recession, Thailand would be one of the worse effected.

Maybe if Thailand encouraged new start business's, even from Foreigners! They might cushion themselves from a bad recession. So maybe we don't care if Hesitant Health Science Geek locates to Thailand, but the Thai goverment should be concerned. I doubt what you and I say on a web forum will influence his decision in the end.

Time for dinner.

Wombat says:

Kasman

As is the norm I am not sure what point you are trying to make by saying

a)stupied fucker

b)That puts Hesitant Health Science Geek, along side the other 100 billion people on earth that do not leave here.

I was not aware that Thailand had a population in excess of 100 billion & that a reasonable number were trying to leave. Couldn't find "stupied" in the dictionary. This is probably not the forum for someone looking to learn English as a second language. Suggest you start at Patpong, Nana or Cowboy. Sure you are not spending too much time caddying on the golf course & the sun has fried your amoeba like brain.

Though it is nice to see you posting under your own nick for a change.

Kasman says:

BBB,

The reason Thailand is going backwards is there is too many foreigners doing things that are probably not exactly legal (in order to stay and live here) and doing very little to start businesses here which employ and train Thai's in something more than menial jobs.

I have had some experience with the government in this subject and believe you would get plenty of support if you offered some type of company that provided jobs and solid training for Thais.

The Thais are always fearful of farang coming over to make all the money at what the Thais feel are their expense.

But there are a couple companies I am aware of that do this and get all the support from the government that they can handle.

Dom says:

If foreigners could own land and property in Thailand, they would buy the whole country within five years! I'm not rich, but I know I'd be buying a few acres here and there before breakfast on the day the laws changed.

Like the posting above states - how many foriegners who are thinking of emigrating to Thailand off their own back, as apposed to being relocated on an ex-pat deal with their employer, actually have long-term business plans involving Thai people. The vast majority of plans seem to rarely stretch beyond teaching English or opening a bar. In the case of the latter - the plans may include profitiering from young bar girls selling their pussies from their establishments. If we are honest, prehaps the Thais are right to be slightly weary of Johnny Foreigner.

mr blob says:

more like jonny farang should be weary in doing business with a people who dont understand the morals of talking truth and being honest.
ive lived there for yrs and have seen what they r capable in doing.
as for bars ,well in most instances its the girls who come asking for the job as it gives them a chance to find a farnag who really will take care of them and also it offers a better salary than working in a sweat shop 7 days a week for maybe 3000 bht a mth,taken into thinking after they pay their room and food they dont have a penny left never mind send money home to buy food for a child they had to leave their with mama and pa, due to some stupid un educated thai man who proberly locked shee boom boom then had to marry she and then ran off later .which is the case.
its a pity their wasnt a labour government running this country because then its people would be treated right.
lets forget about johnny farang .better u go live their and educate yerself before u make comment.