Have we worn out our welcome in Thailand?

WGH says:

Westerners go to Thailand for their own sakes, not for the love of Thailand or Thai people. The only benefit they bring is money. Thai's know this and are justified in resenting it.
No one likes it when foreigners with money lord it over locals. There are many rich Arabs and other Asians (and I mean super rich, not mere pensioners like the westerners in Thailand) in Britain and America but they are not very popular over there.
There are too many westerners retiring to Thailand to obtain sex and a cheap lifestyle. They corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution.
No country should be dependent on retired rejects from the west for a living. And it is unfair that aging westerners, most of whom are mediocre rejects from the UK or USA, should be able to buy up scarce property and take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not have a lifestyle nearly as good and have to languish as waiters and cleaners and would not be allowed to migrate to Europe or America where they would work harder than most of the locals.

MB says:

@WGH

"No country should be dependent on retired rejects from the west..."

"...And it is unfair that aging westerners, most of whom are mediocre rejects from the UK or USA, should be able to buy up scarce property and take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not have a lifestyle nearly as good and have to languish as waiters and cleaners..."

You seem to have some deeper trouble in your own life you are not telling us about... I am very sorry for you.

Charles Edward Frith says:

WGH. Have you seen the muppet show?. Nobody gives a toss about rich Arabs in Mayfair. Everyone from taxi drivers to real estate agents love the dough that pours into the UK - and are indifferent towards about race. Sure there's a hierarchy here but for your information the Blacks now look down on the Poles in a Johnny come lately fashion. More amusing than pernicious.

As for the Thailand. Each example of the latent xenophobia in Bangkokian Chinese Thais I see just reminds me that if Laos, Burma, Cambodia or Malaysia dropped off the map tomorrow it wouldn't even make it past the 2nd dish of Som Tam conversation in Thailand, then consider the the boderline revulsion they have for Khon Isan and Khon Thai Dai people. Remarkable isn't it? Well WGH it's only remarkable because it's that sort of internal hostility that enabled the Khmer Rouge (only an hours flight away from BKK) to divide, slaughter and rule people by playing on ethnic tension before a bit of genocide.

You see WGH, that's how hostility works. It turns in on itself eventually and it aint pretty.

I'm giving you my Yim Tak Tan smile, because something tells me you still don't know the difference.

http://www.into-asia.com/thailand/culture/smile.php

CV says:

".... it is unfair that aging westerners, ... should be able to ... take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not ..."

That's a good one. The women shouldn't be able to choose then? You believe women ought to be property and instead of choosing they should be forced to take men based on your ideas of worthiness?

Wow.

That idea alone tells me what I need to know about you and the value of your opinions.

pipelayer says:

Foreigners have never been welcomed in Thailand and Thais never liked them to begin with. And WGH, don't worry yourself: Foreigners aren't taking "pretty women" for themselves. Take off your beer goggles. Few, if any, of the Thai women that are "taken" by foreigners could be called "pretty", particularly by Thai standards. As far as your use of the word "rejects" to describe the bulk of the western males in Thailand... I couldn't agree with you more. The truth sometimes hurts. Bummer.

Dana says:

"Westerners go to Thailand for their own sakes, not for the love of Thailand or Thai people. The only benefit they bring is money. Thai's know this and are justified in resenting it.
No one likes it when foreigners with money lord it over locals. There are many rich Arabs and other Asians (and I mean super rich, not mere pensioners like the westerners in Thailand) in Britain and America but they are not very popular over there.
There are too many westerners retiring to Thailand to obtain sex and a cheap lifestyle. They corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution.
No country should be dependent on retired rejects from the west for a living. And it is unfair that aging westerners, most of whom are mediocre rejects from the UK or USA, should be able to buy up scarce property and take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thais can not have a lifestyle nearly as good and have to languish as waiters and cleaners and would not be allowed to migrate to Europe or America where they would work harder than most of the locals."

I think I'm going to puke. Spend some time in Pattaya visiting the various male and female expat clubs that raise money and do good for the Thais and you will learn what you do not know. These wonderful expats are not rejects but winners; and they donate their time and their money and their winning ways to the Thais. What they receive in return is the knowledge that they have done a civic thing.

Rejects? The entry requirements of some of these expat clubs would be a hill too steep for you to climb. Save this high school drivel for those in the old country who have never applied for a passport. It does not belong on a website such as this.

Conan says:

Maybe if the Thai men treated their women better then they would have a chance.

This is not my opinion I mearly speak on behalf of my female friends who have complained to me on many occassions.

ChiJoker says:

WGH states that foreigners "corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution."

I'm going to guess that (1) you are not from here and either (2a) have not been in the region or (2b) never stayed long, so let's walk through this slowly:

Prostitution was here long before any Westerner stepped ashore in Asia, and it is difficult to consider foreigners as much of a contributor to this pre-existing marketplace since the increase of buyers they represent is miniscule as a percentage of the market.

Conversely 'moral values' - whatever that means, but I'll just assume you are overlaying the classical paradigm here - exist hardly at all outside of the deeply rooted Confusion model of role playing. A cursory glance at recorded history in the region, a history unpolluted by Western influence until relatively recently, will bear this out.

Foreign constructs such as morals, justice, equal rights, democracy - all these imaginary patterns are transposed by the newcomers upon a much simpler arrangement of power guiding everything. Whether the power come from military, economic, or other, it all amounts to justification of purpose. I have found this to be true throughout East Asia and Southeast Asia.

So WGH, much less concerned am I for the poor Asians who are imaginarily brutalized by the West. I am much more fearful that tourists such as yourself will suddenly discover the real result of the shifting poles in the world and wake up to the New Asian Century with a jolt. You will soon discover those same nations as world powers and that you sadly misunderstood them.

Setting aside prostitution, which somehow changes the dynamic of all conversation, let's drive to the heart of the matter:

How much is a human life worth in the West?
How much is it worth in Asia?

If you think you know the answer to both, I'd suggest you stay on in SE Asia for a while, because it will surely surprise you.

Having said that, everyone has the capacity for good and evil, and many wonderful people exist everywhere. However, does you believe that the underlying political system used by 90%+ of the world will be restructured to please a very small navel-gazing liberal leisure class (a statistically insignificant group representing an cyst on the otherwise lean,ferocious body of humankind) living thousands of miles away?

The only way change like that could be achieved in the region is through force (power), and that wouldn't really change anything, would it?

Mother Terrisa says:

@WGH (Westerner Go Home by any chance?)
I note your comment: “westerners..take pretty women for themselves while far more deserving harder working Thai can not..”
How many Thai guys are interested in a skint, brown country bunny with fatherless children to support who are basically one step away from being gypsies?
Fortunately for these lovely creatures there are a lot of westerners willing to step in where their whiskey swilling ex left off.

One mans trash is another mans treasure

MrLucky says:

OK, WGH is a myopic idiot. That's established (yawn).

Regarding the issue of foreigners' worn-out welcome, it seems obvious to me why we've been faulted for all the country's ills: we're an easy target.

When a politician needs to divert media attention away from his own failure and corruption, he needs a nice fat scapegoat - someone to blame that preferably doesn't cause any Thai to lose face. We're made-to-order. They can lay the blame without even losing a vote.

It's gone on for decades but, now, with the pseudo-government rapidly running out of feet to shoot, they need a scapegoat even more. Once again farangs prove their usefulness.

anon says:

Fuck Thailand.

Sorry.

I'm here with my American wife and children- so I'm not interested in "taking" the local women. If they want to cut off there nose to spite their face, that's up to them.

More money or less money? Up to you.

Mr Klip says:

Well, you know, I mean, who really cares ? You gets down to Thailand, pays yer money, has yer phun, gi' us a laugh guvnor. Thing is, lot of farangs in Thailand from the freaky dorky dark side. Plenty of hicks and social misfits, even if well qualified and well paid. Bottom line is it ain't our country and nobody makes us go or live there. So, quit bitching folks, I have always found Thais ok, but then I am always light hearted and up for a laugh. Thais get bad press from foreigners trying to apply their own value systems to a foreign culture. What a joke.

Prufrock says:

Ya know, Mr. Klip, as a guy living here, working among the professional classes, *earning more money than I can fucking spend*, Oi'd hafta 'gree wif ya. Dey gits narsty whin d'ere roiled up doh, innit?

Izzy Einstein says:

Funny how the majority of replies here are so overly busy trying to refute WGH's initial contribution. He must have hit the spot somehow.
When WGH says that rejects from the West come to Thailand to pick up beautiful women he is right. Sure, the women may not be beautiful from an upper class Thai point of view, but for the Isarn labourer she might have been a desirable wife (not all Isarn women in relationships with Westerners have children or several relationships behind them).
Similarly, some Thais from humble backgrounds study and work hard to get an education. They might still only be earning somewhere between 15-20,000 THB after all their hard work. This puts them at a disadvantage compared with the middle-aged Scandinavian guy claiming state benefits due to some minor disability. He can come in and scoop up some of the most desirable Thai property while the indigenous Thai can just look on knowing that no matter how hard he works these Western "rejects" will always beat him on the housing market.
WGH's post seems quite sensible and reasonable but of course some people like to live in Fairy-land and think that their presence in Thailand is the best thing since some other Western guy (probably) taught Thais how to use a spoon and fork.

Khunying Juwanna Umphmeenao says:

Have we worn out our welcome in Thailand?

Yes

Anonymous says:

"I think I'm going to puke. Spend some time in Pattaya visiting the various male and female expat clubs that raise money and do good for the Thais and you will learn what you do not know. These wonderful expats are not rejects but winners; and they donate their time and their money and their winning ways to the Thais. What they receive in return is the knowledge that they have done a civic thing.

Rejects? The entry requirements of some of these expat clubs would be a hill too steep for you to climb. Save this high school drivel for those in the old country who have never applied for a passport. It does not belong on a website such as this."

Roaming the streets and beaches of Pattaya, one must be blind not to notice the ubiquitous signs of charity from the farang saviours that you speak of!

Normal Person says:

Conan says:

Maybe if the Thai men treated their women better then they would have a chance.

This is not my opinion I mearly speak on behalf of my female friends who have complained to me on many occassions.
______________

Obviously, you've great information sources on whose opinion you dismiss roughly 50% of the populace of this country.

Union Hill says:

"Khunying Juwanna Umphmeenao says:

Have we worn out our welcome in Thailand?

Yes"

I have to agree with the lady. But wearing out our welcome is one thing, getting rid of us is another. Oh sure, some of us will pack up and go home but some of us won't. Worse still, some us can't and even worse again, some us just have nowhere else to go.
Can't throw us all off the roof of a Pattaya hotel however tempting that solution might sound.

bulb says:

@ Einstein

" not all Isarn women in relationships with Westerners have children or several relationships behind them "

Mate , I bet they have hundreds or more " relationships " behind them.

Prufrock says:

Anonymous warns us, before replying in to Dana's suck-up testimonial and tribute to Pattaya's philanthropic classes:

"I think I'm going to puke. . . Roaming the streets and beaches of Pattaya, one must be blind not to notice the
ubiquitous signs of charity from the farang saviours that you speak of!

Yep, that and most everything this twisted egomaniac comes up with inspires the same reaction among us good folk in the expat community.

Pattaya is without a doubt, a sociological, ethnic, biological and now that this creep lands there more or less whenever he needs to seek refuge from his scramble in the rubble of Boston's crashing real estate market, Pattaya is an inter-species Petrie dish of complete and utter depravity.

Fruit Batman says:

Khunying Juwanna Umphmeenao

How much do you charge, love?

Conan says:

One important fact always seem to be left out of these discussions and that foreign aid to Thailand has contributed a LOT to the overall development of Thailand. What bast**d farangs we are.

For example from the Australian Governemt website www.ausaid.gov.au we get:-

Australia has supported Thailand's development for over 50 years, since providing the first educational scholarships to Thai students. Historically, Australian aid has largely concentrated on developing Thailand's infrastructure and rural sectors, but has evolved over the last decade in response to Thailand's economic development to focus on governance and regional trans-boundary issues.

In November 2003, the Royal Thai Government publicly expressed its wish to move away from being an aid recipient. As a result, Australia's development cooperation with Thailand was reduced significantly in 2004-05.

50 years of foreign aid - I think that alone deserves some respect and that is only from my country.

kwai mai sabai says:

I don't fault Thailand for wanting to preserve its history and culture. I'm getting freaked out myself by the proliferation of American culture in Thailand. 7-11s on every block. McDonalds, Pizza Hut, KFC and all the other fast-food outlets. 10 years ago I hardly ever saw a fat local except for maybe a senior police or army general. Now I'm seeing more fat thai children every day. Could it be their diet?
Personally I liked Koh Samui better before the streets were paved and the big chain hotels started moving in.

Dicer says:

Lots of interesting comments.

WGH,

Thailand is an a moral nation - excepting the dharma minority. There is no morality to corrupt. Thais have so much captured the balancing good and evil act as a perpetual game of seesaw.

"Nobody gives a toss about rich Arabs in Mayfair." - CEF

The UK is an enlightened country. All the rich Arabs and Russian Oligarchs transforming the face of central London are one by one getting their UK citizenship and are being subsumed into the paternalistic Norman world. It's only the other day that Ken Livingstone - that raving loony - echoed my idea of making these guys patrons of the art and social life in London. Give them the credibility they crave in return for their sponsoring stuff. You can also say that the Polish cleaners and Baltic labourers, Pinoy nurses and countless others who are well heeled in the UK - as older Saxons leave for warmer climes - are becoming citizens and settling. Which is good. Let the gendarme across the channel antagonise foreigners and the Germans mistreat Turks, the UK is headed in the right direction. Now I know, your average Saxon grumbles at having so many filthy foreigners but the economy and vibrancy of the country speaks for itself.

"the Blacks now look down on the Poles in a Johnny come lately fashion. More amusing than pernicious." - CEF

That maybe. A generation down the road though the Poles will be subsumed into the Saxon majority just as the Huguenot Jews who arrived at the east end of London did a century ago while the 3rd and 4th generation Indians and Africans would still be left across the racial fault lines. This is an unavoidable fact.

"As for the Thailand. Each example of the latent xenophobia in Bangkokian Chinese Thais I see just reminds me that if Laos, Burma, Cambodia or Malaysia dropped off the map tomorrow it wouldn't even make it past the 2nd dish of Som Tam conversation in Thailand, then consider the the boderline revulsion they have for Khon Isan and Khon Thai Dai people. Remarkable isn't it?" - CEF

I was there when the emotive and chaotic Khmers burnt the Thai embassy in Phnom Penh a few years ago. Then again you find visiting Thais in their fake gucci shades sneering at Khmers and telling them its all theirs at Ankhor Wat. There is so much neighbours can take after all. The ghost of Phibun is around.

" think I'm going to puke. Spend some time in Pattaya visiting the various male and female expat clubs that raise money and do good for the Thais and you will learn what you do not know." - Dana

Very true Dana. Several of my acquaintances in Pattaya spend their days feeding soi dogs, or helping orphans or supplying stuff to schools. They are met with a lot of derision and rudeness but they dont do it for gratitude. They do it to feel good about themselves. Ditto up north. And mind you, these are not bible bashers but your average foreigners who go out drink and chase birds just like any tourist.

"How many Thai guys are interested in a skint, brown country bunny with fatherless children to support who are basically one step away from being gypsies?" - Mother Teresa

..and

"Plenty of hicks and social misfits" - Mr Klip

foreign misfits and local mutants is it not? I can never say this enough times.

"Similarly, some Thais from humble backgrounds .. might still only be earning somewhere between 15-20,000 THB ..compared with the middle-aged Scandinavian guy claiming state benefits due to some minor disability [who can] scoop up some of the most desirable Thai property while the indigenous Thai can just look on" - Izzy Einestein

Is this really true Izzy? In Chiang Mai there were hundreds of Moo Baans that were built and empty until some clever chaps in property companies came up with the clever idea of not helping foreigners form shell companies to buy houses but the property company leasing it out for 99 years as opposed to the direct legal person to person 30 years. All the moo baans were lapped up and consequently the banks got their payments. There is now a lot more employment for Burmese maids and servants, work for material suppliers, labourers and the CM locals are awash with money. And of course the bkk cafe and Honda Jazz culture arrived here too. A multiplier effect of course.

Also I'm not sure if the housing development aimed at foreigners and mainstream Thais is in the same market. Anway I have illustrated in detail below exactly what happend with one particular housing development in bkk.

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BORAT, CHAYAPOUM THE WAVES AND THE PSYCHOSIS WALTZ

I know I have said way too much about the German amputee infecting ninety something Chayapoum teenagers. One reason I found the story very symbolic at the time was an interview run by a journalist I personally know who went to one of the schools and started asking the girls. Most said it was ok to sleep with an old German amputee for 3,000 baht. When asked if they'd sit and drink coffee with a farang man for nothing...say for friendship most said not likely. At the time my astonished friend did a basic story and related the rest of his notes to me and I picked up on it. Even after rumor was spreading in the town that the old farang was sick girls kept sleeping with him just because they did not want to miss out.

Mindless swarm life!

Beyond that though how they - yes they - have regressed to a base amoral level that defies all common sense is what got my attention, not the obviously monstrous acts of the kraut. And their response that sharing a coffee with a farang is icky while getting fucked for 3,000 pieces of nickel is normal was truly remarkable.

As for the foreigners:

http://www.amazon.com/Homo-Ludens-Player-
Historias-History/dp/8420635391/ref=sr_1_2/
103-6578626-9907008?ie=UTF8&s=books&
qid=1176241195&sr=1-2

This extension to luden bubble where you actually narrate your own psychosis out loud by saying: "ok I can screw any girl, hell even the whole village in Chayapoum, and behave as I please because I don’t have any points of reference here," and break all the rules at every turn reveals your state of mind...... the Japs went around reducing Koreans into sex slaves and doing despicable things...and yanks in Vietnam. From your ordinary repressed tourist in Phnom Penh becoming unhinged to soldiers in Iraq (with their head banger music on as they tutut the M-16) the ultimate conclusion in a luden bubble can be to becoming totally unhinged or end up laughing and screaming about how good it felt infecting them with HIV. I remember a certifiably insane German who lives in Pai. He was on loony welfare and they let him live in Thailand - what a wise thing for the Germans eh. Eeveryone in Pai knew him. You wouldn’t know he was nuts until he had a bit of a drink and started shouting and screaming and even fighting with the locals. It was amazing. He'd regularly end up in the police station and even the cops knew yet tolerated him. They'd say go take your medication and off he went on his big dirt bike. Sure even this certifiable is playing too.

Whose reality is it anyway?

How far has Thailand come from being a collection to Ayutthaya villages to being hateful ping pong masters of a Phibun-esque superior people?

This is the pack Chihuahua land. The military pack going alpha prepared to kick out the marginal dogs. Behind the current anti foreign sentiments is the ubiquitous Sulak Shivaraksa, the phobically anti foreign ideologue of the officer classes who wants a moral state and is adored and followed by many upcountry people. I first learned about Sulak weeks after I arrived in LOS from a female colleague who was nearly raving mad pro military after a summer college term visit to a camp. I mentioned Sulak and she got purple in the face until she realised I was saying I agreed with him most the time. Then she explained how the military follow him. Since then I've even seen Sulak in a seminar.

KARR SULAK AND THE DEFACTO VISA SYSTEM

The funny thing is that most of these xenophobes are - like Phibun himself - foreign 'educated.' As we know now, behind the visa changes were a few really terrible cases of farang on the loose like the Karr guy and finally one of the blinking moles like Sulak came out the ground and spotted something like the naked Kiwi I saw in a Chiang Mai bar. Now up the ante and have these guys beating up old ladies or the like and you get the Thais freaking out. This pushed them to end so-called grey migration, mostly from Europe the US and Japan, and turfing out a growing criminal fraternity. How did this state of affairs ground to a sudden halt? Well, it didn't. Right before the coup, after three years of mulling it over, the govt announced that it would only allow foreigners without visas to visit for no more than a cumulative three months in any six month period. This was a typical Thai reaction to a defacto open for all tourist visa system that had to be amended. For people who have no future thinking at all an unplanned and unphased knee-jerk reaction is a way of dealing with life. There was not a single specific law that allowed tourist visa stamp holders to stay in Thailand with a mandatory one day per month trip to the border. In fact how it happened is simply an accident that most either do not remember or don't care to consider: in 1995, to encourage longer stays by package tourists, the govt doubled the stay without a visa from 15 to 30 days which later helped prop up tourism just as the 97 crisis was biting. Shortly after Cambodia opened its borders with Thailand to foreign tourists. When Buma also opened its border it was the birth of the visa run. Let us not forget the internet, cheap mobile, hooker farms, boiler room dud stock trade all fed into this undocumented community of 50,000 to 80,000 people living on the monthly stamp. Most of these people spend at least 30,000 baht per month on rent, meals, beers and more on hookers, which puts them in the highest earning Thai group. However there is undoubtedly more crime committed by foreigners. It is only inevitable that the govt would tighten the screws to stem the tide. Again it is not something that is done with foresight and study but as always is a reaction to a problem they did not see coming.

NARAI'S VERDICT

This really brings us back to the Thai psyche and history. Was editing work about Falcon a while ago, which is re Gerakis or Phaulkon the famous foreign minister of K Narai. What has seared in the understanding of foreigners is in the late 1600's Narai brought in the 4 famous families to run the country: Mon, Chinese, Persian and Indian plus a Greek as Foreign Minister and get this, a French guy who was governor of BKK. And the French army training the Siamese. Hence to go from port to Ayutthaya you had to pass the French. Really weird! And all the time the central Thais and Lao writhing in hatred just like they are today.

They never reached THAT realisation that certain things are not done. Nothing, I MEAN NOTHING successfully punctures the well heeled and superbly intact belief that an outsider is an outsider and to be pooped at - even a current princess' farang ex hubby was pooped at - and so too was the Greek advisor of Narai. EXCEPTIONS jolt you into momentarily freezing or allowing you to pass through without the usual checks and this happens out of shock more than anything else. Some like Narai's Greek got burnt, others did well.

So the visa rules chatter could be improvised, with me doing the usual recital of how King Narai was the real visa culprit diatribe in a soft History Channel narrative to background Ayutthaya warcrys and bongos and a footage of a Greek being executed.

REALITY FROM JALAN BURMA

Now get this cross-over-into-reality. At one time I am at Midland Mall on Jalan Burma in Penang. I was looking for gym stuff. In the far corner was a chap who is a head and two hands coming out of shoulder sockets and no body, maybe feet somewhere in a wheelchair. He waves wildly to me and wants to shake hands - or digits as it might be. So he wants to chat and what is he reading, a tiny bible. What exactly is he reading? Luke 14:29 and so he reads out loud to me the oddest part extant in the New Testament. I offer to buy the little pen packs he has for 5 RM and we shake hands again. Now I could have invited him to be fiction but that isn't necessary. I mean the chap is a banner for Maya Is Real, believe in the Buddha. Two hours later there was another nutter named Jenny. I leave Gurney Plaza and spend half an hour at the Sila Bertur. At the Taxi rank pops the only lady, orange reddish dyed hair, a Beatles cap and funny black but harmless shark eyes. Yes, she is the only lady driver. She inherited the cab from her dad who died, and she asks how I like her driving? Grand I say a bit worried as she tried to impress on me that she is the only fast driver in Penang. So we get close to the hotel but not close enough - construction in front of the Oriental. Around she goes in a circuitous route. Nope just across the street. Nope, off she goes again. Five times she loops around Penang Road to get it right and won't give up. Too fast to jump out I might add. She ends cheerily that she knows the singer at the Waldorf down the street and I can mention her name. I get her card. I think if she'd been in Singapore she would have had the Hokkien licence to be grim. She might have seemed demented to begin with and later looping the road. But she surprisingly went on a fascinating talk on local gods and Chinese gamboling. Before I got out of the taxi she said one moment and opened the glove box. She pulled out the dream-numerology betting book with Tepi Kung on the cover. And added that with the ever present tension in the Malay-Chinese world the Hokkien have to look outside for inspiration and regeneration which is something you won't find in Thailand. Now there was no chance that the chummy bkk cabbies could do a lecture of this sort unless of course goaded into it. But the point is what she said in the end. TENSION. Tension creates stress and stress makes people look for different avenues.

So later I figured at some point I would conspire with the bible reading nut to do the first Pata-crime in Penang: sneak around pre dawn to Tao temples and replace the 1.50 RM gambling books with pata inspired ones and a new numbering, Egyptian hieratics of course. The result will be 354 people will win the same lottery and there will be a Hokkien uprising. Could I run a similar scheme in Thailand? Unlikely.

I can of course design an amulet!

http://www.jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
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Before I left Penang another Hokkien taxi driver gave me a lecture about how the Hokkien Malay dynamics work at a big local bank. Chinese did the banks so the gov stepped in and gave the presidency to Malays. They are rubber stamps of course. The Chinese do all the work and get the big salaries, same in everything and hence they have an eye on migration. The definitive opinion is that the Malays cannot run the country or the economy and are playing games cheating the Chinese.

All this brings me back to The Falcon book about 17th century Siam. Phaulkon is not good at all, clumsy and poorly done but does remind one of what Siam is was and will be: a defensive bunch of nobobers. King Narai was wheeling and dealing with Japs, Malays, Persians, French, Dutch and Brits. Siam metamorphosed into a very interesting international place. However that gave the Siamese a long time to really dislike outsiders without being able to fight them off. All along since Narai they've had someone there to hold their hand. They then decided to go Chinese. The final joke on top is that the post Phibun snit has them swaggering around like they are all whacked to the gills culture experts until the plug is pulled. As I said to Somchai earlier until you call them upon that assumed "ARE YOU THAI LIKE US?" silly defence.

I'm always looking at these from different angles. Concerning the nooDEN army one can say this: after many years or so of people creeping around calling you barbarian bird poop or giving you the old sneer you get the right to be a bit suspicious of the entire bunch. Keep in mind that in the highlands of Guatemala my best friend was Tec Sux a shaman, and in North Africa I hanged out with tough Berber pals, Mexican buddies, amigos in the Philippines. People from all walks of life and all countries but only in Thailand do you have to go through the Phibun Snit. This sours one like a bar of soap sitting in your milky Kellogg in the morning. Know what I mean? A few more years and people will just look you in the eyes and run. It's really amazing how these chaps can march around confident that they have it over on us. One can retort by suggesting that the Mexicans, Pinoys or Berbers are the same. I'd disagree. Mexicans can be a funny bunch but snitty and chippy they are not. Berbers can be viciously violent but if you unassumingly approach them they may like you and you can get on with them without a defensive fearful veneer of smile that hides their utter contempt for you - well they don't have it!

DECORATION

At Siam University two foreign teachers who were usually excluded even from the canteen and told to eat in the janitor and cleaner room - because they are foreigners - were given nice gowns and invited to a graduation ceremony. Back to Thais using people. The farangs get excited and don their gowns for the big day. A couple of us at a govt office are sent letters of invitation too. We just did our stuff. They made a huge deal of it. We had to go get special made gowns and we actually were forced to go to the graduation ceremony and sit together like a bunch of monkeys on the stage RIGHT behind the podium. We asked each other what on earth is this show? And who was at the podium passing out diplomas? Why General Prem of course. And who was right behind him half asleep? Four of us. This was PR and camera right on us: LOOK LOUSY SIAM U ACTUALLY HAS FARANG TEACHERS. The reality was that only two guys with us taught there, part time. And I knew nothing about the university! Once the ceremony was over and tea and biscuits were handed out we were disposed of like overused sanitary towel.

POCKETS OF KOREANS, INDIANS AND INSANE LAO

Thailand and esp. bkk is still a fascinating place to observe. Years ago when I was living in a condo in bkk that had no retired people but was full of working Indians and Koreans who lived their own way I used to find it fascinating to observe them. Last week before I left for the UK I went to see a neighbour who still lives in the condo complex. In the lift there is a case for all to read of a Korean in one of the other towers who had a fight with his wife and decided to end it by setting their apartment on fire. Apparently the two near dead bodies were dragged out in time. Then my mate updates me that last month it was another Korean who tried to flood his room with a fire hydrant so as to drown the whole family. I suggested fights with Lao girls and I was corrected that there were no tarts and hookers in the building, just Koreans and Indians and a few working farang, pretty much the same since I left it except now the Koreans looked tough and unlike most South Koreans they did not speak any English. They are cold and funny. I hit it right on the head with this:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/
04/07/thailand_a_destination_for_n_koreans/

All couples and in their 40s and fight. There is not a go-go sao in the entire 8 towers. All Korean couples, Indian couples and a few farang who are married to farang. Not retired men or bar punters in sight.

I was amazed by how much things had changed. I suggested to my mate a few beers and I run to the grocery to get it. On the way I did a detour to a few floors and came at a wide open room where someone had gone at the parquet floor with a pick axe. You should have seen the damage. Why would Koreans go totally bonkers in a riverside condo? Or more to the point, why would the Thais put up with this? Symbolism there. Poor devils trampling each other.

In addition to fighting Korean couples we have the arranged marriage Indians...Ahmed's - my mate's neighbour - 17 year old sister is married and has a kid. We run into this very depressed but pretty Guajarati woman who looked lost. Ahmed of course sneaks into my mate’s apartment to have a few beers and a chat.

So what happened in this microcosm of a bkk hive labyrinth is this:

I can't remember how long the condo manager has been there but a long time. I think what happened is Hokkien Tom who went to school in Alabama - the Chinese have this uncanny ability to pick out great locations for child education - was hired in 1997 to rescue a brand new condo development that included 8 towers. They were trying to sell just as economy crashed. So they had to make a deal. No Japs to pay 180,000 a month you see. They took what they could get...Tom increased sales girls from 4 to 40, then told them they had to sell 4 units a month (not the usual one) or be fired. He then increased the % and everyone went nuts. The takers it turns out were Indians and Koreans. Everyone I am sure found out that you cannot f*** around with these two penny-pinching bunches of people. If it had been farang or Japs, my old apartment would be 55,000 and the Kraut down the corridor would pay 100,000 like everyone else in BKK but about 1000 Koreans moved in and took over every vacant place. The whole block was doomed to low standards. What could they do? At the onset everyone was just glad they got it going. When Tom came in it was 100% disaster and the banks and owners were going crazy. No cash and No people...disaster...now they are stuck with that deal. This is what I love about Koreans: If you cheat a farang they just get their tail between their legs and sulk. Koreans will race in your office and punch the daylights out of you, women included... I remember the mean Korean lady dragons. An abrupt surprise to cheating Thais and Chinese. The Koreans gang up. There were easily a 1000 when I lived there years ago. Now it’s double that number and many have that weathered look only a starved policeman in Pyongyang would have. One run in with Koreans and it is never again for the Thais. When I mentioned Koreans to the locals they would not even discuss it. Perfecto! The Koreans have on my follow up visit blown all the pretence Asian stuff right out the window. To make it better they make it clear they look down on Thais. And then the Koreans come in drunk, piss on the walls and shout. The Thais of course can't be bothered. At the pool Korean guys do laps so hard and fast it is scary. I never saw a Thai in the pool. The Indian on the other hand ladies lumber in their lack of will to exercise.

Years ago I saw all these people and I thought wow... really Blade Runner city! Takes a while to figure out this reality. At first very cautious as they have the rules and they don't fiddle around with you in a kind of latent hostility on the staff, but the Korean joy and freedom hits the Lao nannies who start to act like real people. It must be contagious. So maybe, I said to myself, after living a couple of months in the condo, maybe I will start to swagger around and wear a T shirt with I love S Korea emblazoned on it and a turban and seek out an Indian arranged marriage...

This time round different planet and different reality, nothing Thai about this place. The tone is Confucian but the matrix is out of control Lao. On top of this ready to fight Koreans and Hindus violating all condo rules. For example they have these little gates with do not enter here signs and the Indians come right over them every day. Then there is a Thai foot pool for coming in or out of the pool area. Indians walk over in ignoring all the Confucian stuff and again to mandate the Confucian ideas are fat Lao ladies. Everything is a complete mess but AS MOST THINGS THAI IT BALANCES OUT. Calm to a degree and rolling along. That Narai legacy is to be found everywhere.

In the cab going to the airport a few days later it hit me that kinos and audies will immediately try to form a stasis tribe or area. They are neurally driven to settle at the 6-8 year old level or the 11-12 Confucian communist Sung thing. Thais and Thai Chinese once settled in do NOT want to change and will fight tooth and nail to stay right where they plopped. Could be in a forest, a desert or a slum it is the same. What has happened historically is when the Raj rolled in for the Indians the stasis was forever broken. Ditto for the Koreans when knocked around by Chinese and Japs. Thus these folks were forced to re assess. Like it or not this gave them a unique look at self which is impossible with me only me first people. Stasis broken, look around. The thais didn't experience this. Narai shielded them from it by bringing in foreign lords who manage but not mix with the peasants. The japs experienced it intuitively and esp. after Commodore Perry arrived and later the Prussians and British helped them to become the little Asian "masters."

Whether in Narai's Thailand or a bkk condo complex of 2007 you find a different thought level, a kind of more expanded awareness in people who got jolted out of 50,000 BC or 1200 Sung dynasty stasis. Thais are struggling in this context. And the struggle gets harder every year, not easier.

NotAnyBangkok RelatedWebsite.com says:

@Conan: Germany too has been donating some of my tax Euros to the Kingdom for many years now. I believe their engagement will also be winding down in a couple of year's time.

King Prawn says:

Prufrock writes:

'...among us good folk in the expat community.'

Ha ha. There are no good folk in the expat community. I've been here 20 years and I am still a rat!

'Pattaya is an inter-species Petrie dish of complete and utter depravity.'

Ha ha! Then why is it so popular?

Justify your comments Prufrock! In less than 50 words because you do ramble...

Rich says:

If there were one or two web sites, let alone the veritable tidal wave of hard core XXX, racist threads and personal blogs that so miserably disrespected me and my countrymen & women back in the my own country, I'd say such a group had outstayed their welcome, wouldn't you?

And without demand, there would be no supply. Who visit's these sites? Many's the time I've witnessed the boarish drunks with spider veins exploding forth from their Rumpole-like noses and bad comb-overs who suddenly think they've taken a handsome pill, and pinching a girl's ass in a shopping center is 'flirting'! He's just one strain. The varieties of antisocial misfits is way too long to list. We've all seen them - generally travelling in two's or three's - and unsurprisingly so have the Thais. Welcome to T'land.

I can't count the times that I've buried my face in my hands discovering that one is from my country. I'd stake my life on it that we've all cringed and then heaved a huge sigh of relief when one of these turkeys ends up being British/Dutch/German, or American; anything, so long as we didn't breed filthy pigs like that 'in our country'.

I digress. To repeat, have a look at how farangs are represented in the most public of forums; visit the likes of John T. Bone and dozens of other smut sites - and READ the copy. You needn't crawl the porn sites - Google a few other Thai-pointing web sites and blogs [It would defeat the purpose of this rant if I posted any URLs and gave them traffic]. This is what we are judged on sadly. Now, put the shoe on the other foot - if a crass minority acted like this in our own back yard, we'd set the dog on them and send them packing. The other guests - myself being one of them - would be pleased to see them go.

As well might the Thais. Rich

KT says:

Surely all the 100,000+ Thais currently living in Los Angeles are law abiding citizens.

Charles Edward Frith says:

The day a Thai celebrity adopts a Cambodian or Vietnamese child as Angeline Jolie has done is a long way away. Charity does after all begin at home.

So does racism.

I'm Thai says:

Hey Anon, I consider it is rude that you wrote here 'FUCK THAILAND', because if you chose to stay in THAILAND with your AMERICAN WIFE , so you should respect the country. Because if somebody say 'FUCK AMERICA' how you and your AMERICAN WIFE would feel ?

* *
And whoever wrote in this article about 'the IDIOT swiss guy', I think it is not about SWISS because it is probably another IDIOT nationalities too ! For Christ's sake !

Me says:

Oh, stop it. We didn't "wear out our welcome" at all.

Thai authorities are finally officially doing something about the "visa-runners", foreign Baht speculators and conning foreign company set-ups in a bid to keep up the economy (export) in a self-supporting way and wash out the farang/foreign riff-raff. Thats all. Really. And thats all positive, they seem to have learned from the 1997 crisis. Quality will remain. Not Quantity.

If you feel so threatened, you got some reason to fear, dontya...

SPQR_US says:

Don't worry all this sniveling is temporary.

Luckily for us Americans; Thais signed the treaty of Amity and it remains in full affect. Most Thai lawyers are cluesless though and lump Americans in with every other westerner.

This treaty allows among other things for us to buy a full rai of land in our own names and to own several real properties outright. There are also major rights for large corporations beyond just the little stuff most of us are interested in.

Again most Thai lawyers try to convince you that this isn't so...nevertherless it is(hire a good one). Essentially it also gives Thais the same business & property rights in America as we Americans have in Thailand. The Thais use this treaty more in America than we use it in Thailand. Suspending American rights in Thailand would result in catastrophic losses to the upper crust of Thailand and would probably crash Thai banks. So...I wouldn't be running around pissing myself just yet fellas.. ;-)

If this treaty were to be vacated by the Thais then I'd say there was something to worry about. Thais are heavily invested in the US and europe so before you all start peeing your pants consider that the the last time they really went hog wild nationalizing everything and kicking the white devils out was when they were made to accomadate the Japanese. After the war they turned to the US for help in fending off English and French claims for those countries' (English-French) stuff that got clipped during the war by the Thais. Deals were made and they've been strengthened since then many times. What you are seeing now is just a puppet show, don't worry about it.

If the current group terminates its treaties then that would be cause for concern. All we have now is a group of administrators scratching around for some legitimacy. The elections are coming soon, don't worry about the smoke and mirrors for now.

MrLucky says:

Good question I'm Thai.

Here's the answer - you can go ahead and say, "fuck America." Plenty of people say it and, hell, I can see their point sometimes.

The difference is we don't get our panties in a bind when someone criticizes us, because we're not quite as blindly nationalistic and xenophobic as you. But then you probably take that as a compliment....

Now, back to the original issue: If Thais don't like certain types visiting their country, what they need to ask themselves is, "Why don't some other Asian countries have this problem?"

It's not that Thai women are better than Taiwanese, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese (you know that's what they think). Just easier.

They'd best take a close look at their own culture.....with all their Sin Sot and Mia Nois, Thai men TRAINED their women to be prostitutes.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

wonkers all wonkers,

A nation of lying behind each others backs people.

but still great little boxes.

Thaxo

stephane says:

sick of those narrow minded people...
(talking about some who wrote comments here)

Dana says:

Attn: SPQR_US

"This treaty allows among other things for us to buy a full rai of land in our own names and to own several real properties outright. There are also major rights for large corporations beyond just the little stuff most of us are interested in.d"

OK, I know my limits. I have not got Dicer's brains, databank, or stamina; so you are saved a 5000 word letter. But I implore you for your own sake not to follow through on any business, personal or corporate, in the Kingdom based on the above quote. There are no contracts in Thailand with foreigners. Period. Contractual language documents are not contracts. Contracts only exist based on action. Thais do not consider that contractual language documents require reciprocal and equal behavior between themselves and foreign devils. It is all a game to them; and never a game where two people each have a chance of winning.

Road Natzi says:

David,

What a ripper, you've managed to get the keyboards thumping with this one.
The only problem with your story is that it is a load of crap. However, clearly pasted above MGH's & MB's comments, it looks like a 'masterpiece' of art.

Please don't take my above comment as criticism, because it has done exactly what it was designed to do and that is "ENTERTAIN THE CHILDREN" and clearly you have successfully done that.

You raise the issue of "If you were to don Borat's G-string and parade up and down Pattaya Walking Street with a wooden dildo shoved up your arse, they'd welcome you with open arms but, if you try to do anything constructive, they'll pull the drawbridge up." That is nonsense, how in hells name do you expect the Thais to weed out the Borat's of people lining up at the airport waiting for the free 30 day visas.....perhaps we should start checking underwear???? and that's not for skid marks ;-)

You cleverly write, "It seems that farang holidaymakers are welcome here even if they're total maniacs but farang immigrants are not - even if they're fine, upstanding individuals".
Perhaps you meant something about clothing "Seams" because any other was I try to interpret ur comment leaves me scratching my tiny head (the one in my pants).

Some of the other stuff is good, keep up your bizarre ritual, I really enjoy it.

Dicer and Dana, once again thankyou for your interesting comments, well thought out indeed, you both wear an interesting shade of sunglasses, no doubt the very best set of copies you could lay ur hands on for gow-sip gow baht.

Lets face it people, 'Thailand' is not about to cut of their nose despite their face. Hopefully they will just carefully weed out some of the crap that seems to linger around making mess and good on them for doing so. Look at the good ole U S of A, has anyone seen the hoops they hold up for visitors to their cesspool?

Keep cranking away people, you leave me laughing every time I crack out my thai passport and slide into town thru the fast lane.

Of course,if one is referring to thai's not liking the visitors, I guess if you visit any motorcycle taxi stand and survey those hard working individuals, then sure they will tell you how much they hate to see a 'successful farang' marching past with his pretty in toe or any tourist for that matter. But lets face it, when you earn a couple of hundred baht a day blasting around the block on ur ole faithful, only to spend that same money on whisky, card games and cheap HIV sluts at night, what would you expect those boys to say????

The Pollies, or smoke cloud Pollies running around making hype, why would one bother listening to them, its kinda like Johnny howard promising not to sell another utility before an election or billy clinton repeatedly muttering that statement "I did not have sexual relations with that Godzilla" or whatever it was that he said.

Things are just starting to get interesting in Thailand at the present time, I wonder what will happen if somehow the locals manage to vote back in THAKSIN????? I guess one has to be able to run for re-election before one can be another ousted prime minister. I know where my vote is heading, where would all you vote, please don't respond!

Where is good ole CS, whats his take these days or is he busy shagging away in one of thailand's classy establishments?

letmein says:

Too many generalisations, thailand is the largest melting pot of diverse cultures. People visit Thailand too make themselves happy or too seek a better life. As do Thai people who migrate. Everyone deserves a chance for a better life so who is anyone to judge.

qwerty says:

Can you blame them for not wanting you there? All you go for is to take advantage of the local women who have no choice n who they sleep with because pay to sleep with them. You obviously don't go because you respect the people or the culture because you are always slagging the Thais off just because they object to the meat markets that you help perpetuate. You also slag the girls off for being interested in money. What the fuck do you think they are interested in? Your quick wit and repartee, your good looks, you saggy belly or your stylish mode of dress? The sooner the Thais kick you all out the better it will be.

Prufrock says:

Hey Shrimp Dick (What did you call yourself? Tiger Prawn King??)
Why is it always the guys who cut and paste other people's comments and who can't write nor have EVER written 3 lines in their lives who INSIST of perfect first draft presentation in a "shoot from the hip" medium like a blog.

And I WAS being ironic with my "good people" comment but I guess that was a smidge too clever for you after 20 odd years of chasing buffalo butt in Patts.

Like shooting deer on a game farm.

Prufrock says:

Thanks for the information SPQR. Kinda puts a damper on the panic, don't it?

jm says:

WHH says;"
There are too many westerners retiring to Thailand to obtain sex and a cheap lifestyle. They corrupt the moral values of the local people and have contributed to a huge culture of prostitution."

Corrupt the moral values of Thais?
I fell off my chair laughing.

Prufrock says:

Why hasn't anyone in all these threads simply made the observation that "prostitution" in all forms and in all cultures is merely a reflection of the pair bonding rituals that exist in these places.

Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's a bore, sometimes it's mundane, sometimes it's magic, sometimes it's a waste of resources and time etc. etc. eyc.

Just like marriage.
But kids come out of it. A "next generation" to piss and moan about it or to run the government, or to make a fortune in plastic flowers or to sell their own sister for a tank of gas for a Honda 360.

We're no better than than. We're no worse than that

Prufrock says:

Hi I'm Thai: I have a Songran project for you.
Why don't you go back to the teacher who taught you English and smash her in the face with a wet newspaper.
Then go to the asshole who funded your school and stole money so that HIS kids wouldn't have to go there and (hmmm, well) use a pool cue on HIS face (two or three shots).
Then Visit the cunt who dropped the big "education" money into HIS hands and use a real American hickory baseball bat on his face. (Piss on him as well if you're feeling festive.)

Now we're getting to the big stuff.
Go to the politician who's telling you that Thais shouldn't sell land to foreigners and spit in his face. (You can tell him that as long as there's a "200% resale to non-Thais" tax in place his argument is pure shit. And anyway it doesn't apply to the Chinese who've been weaseling their way into your country for 500 years.

I could go on there, but you get the idea.

Who keeps the shit in the shithouse??
You do, baby, YOU DO.

somchai says:

my dear farangs,

don't be alarmed and panicked by the silly government and the sentiments of individual journalists.

no need to get all reactionay about it.

we love you here... we really do.

we even put 'we love farangs' signs on our taxis.

you walk down the street, go to a restaurant, or do your daily routines in the land of smiles... how often do you encounter anti-farang sentiments? are there demostrations in the street to kick out farangs? do you get chased down the street, beaten up and told to go home by Thai skinheads?

nope.

why?

cos we love you, babes...

chris says:

thais very racist
but lets be honest weve outstayed our welcome here,bunch of whoremongers we are.

Dicer says:

SPQR_US,

What you said needs correction.

The Amity Treaty conflicts with WTO rules about preferential treatment so the Thais will use that as an excuse to scrap many of the benefits accorded to US citizens by either replacing them with FTA rules or de facto Foreign Business Act B.E. 2542. clauses. For instance there are many restrictions on owning land and involving in various sectors and crucially the treaty is now subject to a minimum investment threshold.

The Ministry of Commerce (MOC) has actually extended the treaty every 90 days. It was previously scheduled to expire on 5 December 2006. Why do they do this? In order to comply with its WTO commitments, Thailand is required either to offer the same privileges as those offered to the US to all WTO members, or to cancel the Treaty. Therefore, although the Treaty has been extended, there is no guarantee that the Thai govt will continue to apply the terms of the Treaty indefinitely. Which is perfect for the Thais as they like to keep their laws very vague, despite too many protestations to the contrary.

Still though the the AER covers over 1,000 American businesses in Thailand with a total investment of about $20 billion. The U.S. wanted the treaty rights granted investors under the AER should be replicated in the bilateral FTA but that was not the case.

The huge BUT according to one source: At present, it is apparent that American nationals can apply for obtaining the privileges under the Treaty of Amity until the expiration of MFN Treatment exemption period or the termination of the Treaty of Amity, whichever occurs first. If the Treaty of Amity is terminated, American nationals who have already used Treaty of Amity privileges, for example in business transactions where the Treaty of Amity permitted a particular structure to be undertaken, such transactions will still be valid. The termination will not be retroactive. However, should the Treaty of Amity be terminated, it may be difficult when an expansion of business is sought.

Do you see now how complicated it all gets? hehe....

Road Natzi says:

Prufrock,

Are you having a crack at me old timer. About the cut and paste thing, you see when i learn a new trick, i just can't help myself ! ;-)

Henry IV says:

Is Prufrock another of Keith Summers' pseudonyms? I notice remarkable similarities in their writng styles.

Tongue Tied Danny says:

kwai mai sabai, you're sitting at a computer but you don't want the Thais to have pavements?

"Oh, Ko Samui was beter before they installed pavements", what tosh, what backpacker bullshit.

Can I point out that Ko Samui is a community, not some ethnic theme park where the people should have to live in primitive conditions just so a bunch of spoilt backpackers can have an authentic travel experience?

No wonder the Thais don't want farangs there when so many of them are moaning about their progress and development.

"preserving their history and culture" is one thing, remaining in the dark ages for the benefit of some trendy farang is quite another.

And why are you "freaked out" about McDonalds and Pizza Hut etc? There are Thai restuarants in the west, why the hell shouldn't there be western establishments in Thailand?

Oh, and 7-11 is Japanese, not American.

Mr Klip says:

My, how us westerners get our knickers in a twist. Myself I think Thailand is great just as it is. Plenty of idiots kidding themselves they've got ' girlfriends ', plenty os ' girlfriends ' scamming the idiots. What do these dumb bunnies really expect ? Thais want you for your money and that is it. They are not interested in your western moral values, preaching, moaning etc. Just a thought.

kwai mai sabai says:

@Tongue Tied Danny:
or Prufrock or D333 or whatever handle you are hiding behind today.
"No wonder the Thais don't want farangs there when so many of them are moaning about their progress and development."
I only lament the pollution that comes with this "progress". The pollution of plastic (humans) and other synthetics.

somchai says:

anon,

would you like to arrange a place to meet up where you can actually say "fuck Thailand" face to face to a Thai, instead of hiding behind a keyboard?

i promise i'll be gentle with you.

let's have ourself a first, bonafide mangosauce smackdown.

Prufrock says:

Road: Can't recall getting upset about this "cut and paste" thing. But I AM getting bored with this somchai dope (Summers) and a few others. Aren't you? Maybe it's time to let them all talk to themselves for a while.
Whaddya think ?

Stromasher says:

Great write up Dave, get the fishes up and biting again, top notch.

LOS, great place but we can only ever be guests, or thats all Ive seen in my time years out this way.

I'll get out the way now, open a beer and wait for the CyberSmackdowns.
Rrrrrumble.

mai chai says:

Prufrog,
Payback is a mofo, init? You exposed yourself for what you really are. A bigot. A big-arsed bigot.
In your rush to condemn somchai you lost the ability to see clearly. See what happens when you (the pack dog) follows the alpha male (Dicer) too closely? You end up with a brown nose. What's the view like from there?
Dicer slags somchai for being an ignorant Thai and he is no more Thai than I am. He's a pale-faced motocy signal-light salesman from Disney World. And then you throw in a few boots to finish him off. And then when I point out this farce to you, you start back-pedalling like crazy while trying to wipe the egg off your face.
I'm going to Mah Boon Krong now to get a T-shirt made up that says "I am not Keith Summers".

Poetic Justice says:

Ha ha...Prufrock got bitch-slapped and he deserves it. What a wanker!!

Even his offer of sex to Road Natzi was rejected.

Boo Hoo hey Pru...

Prufrock says:

@mai chai: Keith, what in the fuck are you on about now?

William Mahanakorn says:

The reality is that foreign direct investment (FDI) and capital inflows into Thailand have overwhelmingly flooded out the small-time economy of having poor farm girls squeeze foreign currency out of the wallets of homeless pensioners, who end up not only pissing in the well, but decomposing in it too, after their last desperate gasps in the Tops Supermarket aisles or on filthy mattresses, clutching bags of cheap pills and bottles of cheaper booze. Leaving behind, of course, crying bar girls and disgusted policemen to clean up the remnants of their lives all in one dirty swipe of the mop.

What you are witnessing is the transition of a service-based "R&R" or "retiree" economy, to a more mature one, capable of maintaining steady growth and low inflation, by attracting foreign capital the old fashioned way: by offering extraordinarily attractive incentives to larger-sized wallets. With China and Thailand (and Vietnam and Malaysia) in the same race, the military wants its share to remain the same.

Say what you will of how Thailand got there, and the current status of "long-time" farang residents, but the truth sometimes hurts. If you've no place to go, I recommend the Pattaya "Last Resort" Tour....the one that makes Doctor Kervorkian's method look downright prudish.

mai chai says:

@Rudefock: No I am not Keith. Just like Dana is not Telemachus. Telemachus is Irish and Dana is from Boston which has a lot of Irish people. But there the similarity ends. You cannot make that leap in logic.
Actually I am KMS. I just wanted to see you chase your tail for a while. Now go away and leave me alone, you yappy little chihuahua!!!

Road Natzi says:

Poetic Justice,

You are a dead set wanker mate, I never recall Prufrock offering me sex, he is a sick man (like myself) but he's not that desperate.

You are reading between the lines too much, you need to get ur hand off it and get back to reality. Ur obviously frustrated because despite holding large amounts of cash in a farangless bar full of desperate thai girls where u still couldn't pull a root, u ugly cunt.

Prufrock is definitely not summers and at least has the balls to go with his own ideas, not just follow some of the pathetic others that are constantly soiling this site.

Don't bother replying, ur in a oblivious place to me and like a few others, I'd like to see my home country rid of vermin like you.

soi_cowboy says:

It so funny when prufrock get bitch sllapped on this forum he blame Keith. You are loser expat.

somchai says:

prufock,

you're tired of me bably?

but me love you time....

keith summers of the world unite!!!

Hillerich N Bradsby says:

Re: "use a real American hickory baseball bat on his face".

Prufrock, for the record, baseball bats are cut from the wood of Fraxinus Americana (ash).

Yours,

The Louisville Slugger

PS - for anyone who thinks Prufrock's Notstickman, he just failed a test any ten year old American kid would ace.

I guess he should be congratulated.

chop_kin_hoi says:

Seems to me like Thailand and the Thais are best left to there own devices. They're never satisfied with anything or any contributions from others and they just have a take take take attitude. So bugger them let them be the backwater they already are. Take your money and business/tourism to more deserving/welcoming countries!

D333 says:

Ailing Buffalo,

I post for myself thanks....D333 is not Prufrock or Tongue Tied Danny either.

Poetic Justice says:

Road Natzi, pull ya tongue out of Prufrock's ass will ya...and when you've done that, go down the chippy and get me a take-away you fuckin' muppet.

Mr Klip says:

Seems to me that westerners came over to Thailand, introduced the little cherubs to the delights of capitalism.Now posters here don't seem to like what we , to a large part, created. That's the trouble with these darn foreign cultures, they take western notions, attitudes and concepts and then adapt them to their own cultural 'fit'. How dare they not conform our expectations of them ? How dare they not welcome the flotsam and jetsam of the western world with open arms ? Ah well, never mind, suppose one day we'll all wake up and reallise the world has changed forever and that economic power is moving steadily and irrevocably in an eastward direction. Have a nice day

fbuom says:

Tongue Tied Danny,

The Japanese may own 7/11, but last I checked, the Southland company (franchisor of the brand) was founded about 80 years ago in the Dallas, Texas area. For almost 75 years it remained a US company. It's only been Japanese for 16. Oh, but Southland corporate headquarters is still Dallas.

So, is 7/11 a US brand? Or is it Japanese, now that they control Southland? Would MacDonald's really become Korean if Samsung bought controlling interest?

My point, by the way, is much like Kwai Ma Sabai's - perhaps too much 'Merkinization of Thailand for our taste.

Rambling on the topic in general

Personally, I'm conflicted. If the Thai want that kind of 'progress' (much like they want the industrialization that has polluted the country), who are we to deny it? Deplore it? Of course. But I'd bet we'd make the same choices in their circumstances, even knowing what we know now.

On the other hand, much like Kwai Mai Sabai seems to imply, I prefer the countries that have retained their own identity. I don't really care for KL, for example. If I look out a window, all I see is LA.

Those who point out the mia noi, the existence of prostitution before the falangs came in waves, the diminuation of the general population by the upper classes make valid points. On the other hand, Thailand will be far better off when the ladies of Isaan can make enough money working at the Samsung/Toyota/Boeing plant than in Cowboy, Nana, Patpong, Pattaya, Patong or other popular sexpat hangouts.

In short, keeping the country 'simple' has nostalgic appeal for many, including me. It's not best for the population as a whole, and perhaps not comfortable for the farang who live there.

fbuom

Prufrock says:

Oy, Poetic: Isn't it about time you get over to "-" dentist and 'ad that nagging periodontal problem taken care of? Them teeth, boy. Them louverly fecking fetid, smegma-couvered teeth of yers :-) . . .
they be black-rotted out bye the roots na innit? Ya must be in a terrible pain, lad.
Or will it be back to the mushy peas n'mash, then, or the greasy pies or whatever else you fausty-breathed fecking bullet-headed shitty-arsed fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees from Broke-Ass-on-Fecking D'ole are jammin' into those lizard-lipped pie-holes in your stupid fecking tatooed faces these days :-)

Road Natzi says:

Pathetic Justice says:

"Road Natzi, pull ya tongue out of Prufrock's ass will ya...and when you've done that, go down the chippy and get me a take-away you fuckin' muppet"

This is a highly amusing comment out of someone who makes a living out of cleaning out other men's arses by using his tongue.

I know Poetic, your just proud of ur mommy and want to follow her lead.

Poetic Justice says:

I just luuuurve winding up Prufrock and his bitch Road Natzi.

Oh how we laughed...

Loose Cannon says:

What is a "fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees?"

SPQR_US says:

Hi Dana & dicer,

Thank you for the kind advice, I respect both of you and have been reading your posts on several sites for a while.

I was just mentioning because of the treaty the Thais won't do too much to impinge American interests, especially given their fits of worry over China's new economic power.

Thais are right to worry about too much foreign control as every nation state should be. Of course there are limits to acceptable levels of paranoia.

It would be economic suicide for the current coup group to suspend that treaty. Sure they will cast around and make some lame extensions and whine about it but at the end of the day; Thailand is a tiny little country (that I love dearly) that can't afford to play with a fire this big and to their credit they know this. If the treaty were suspended and the US lost control of $20 Billion of corporate assets the Thai economy would crash worse than in 1997 only this time Uncle Sam & the G8 would let them rot. I'm sure some of these guys would love to scrap that treaty but they know better. They know that as much as they want to prance around and make little nothing statements and extensions that they are in no position to get away with that in the current global economic reality. Thais are control freaks about internal trade. They need foreign trade and investment not just in Thailand these guys also invest heavily overseas as well. Check your history to see what happens to a county's national assets in the US when they fuck us over like this...ha ha...

Of course they would soon also be forced to give all of it back in short order as they were after WWII which was the last time they pulled a stunt like that. Then the US came to their aid and entered into several economic agreemetns with them. Had it not been for the US, the British & French governments would have exacted a much heavier price from Thailand. While it's true about; "what have you done for me lately" Thailand would be left with few dancing partners and pinched between 2 emerging economic super powers China India with Vietnam hot on their trail as well. All of which are more willing to do business than Thailand. So for my part I am not at all worried about what the thais will do. They will continue acting as they always have, which is fine by me. They will push things right up to the wall but they have always been smart enough (for the last 700 years or so at least) not to pick any fights they can't win. Besides the US loves Thailand and Thailand's gray beards know they need the US for a whole host of reasons. It has been a very very long and mutually beneficial relationship it would be very costly for Thailand to throw that away, especially when you consider the neighborhood they live in...Besides the economic ruin created by such a mistake would force them to give away much much more to try to manage their way out of the depression that thsi would create for them. No they are smarter people than this and I have every faith in Thailand and its lovely people.

On the upside if they did just break the treaty and steal everything; the price of short times and long times would plunge to historic lows.

Grunt says:

"No one likes it when foreigners with money lord it over locals." WGH

You remind me of the typical Russian or Ukranian guy. Not quite comprehending that the day you stop slapping, punching, raping or alternatively ignoring the girls is the day they stop chasing after western guys.

With little miss dicer being a case in point. She was brutalized one time too many by the local boy scout troop, then took up residence in David's id.

Prufrock says:

Mr.Cannon: Regarding "fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees?",
try "foo - bou - yob" Then substitute a "T" for the glottal stop in "foo".

Proceed to the "ouw" vowel sound in "bou" and rather than the customary velar-lingual sonorant "L" substitute the "ouw" grunt and follow it with an "ugh".
This final "ugh" is a visceral utterance of revulsion for the yobbish scouser as 'ee's stummbling oveh t'telly to pugh on na gayme'en, innit.

Yob stands on its own. Yobbial is the adjective we derive from it. -ish was ejected by committee as being to "foreign a sound" and with "yobbial" we were able to gegh (t) bagh (ck) to a full on "L" sound to push the speaker into actually pronouncing a fucking "L."

We have Mick Jagger to blame for aoaw-iss 'en. I will not even go near rhyming slang which is an attempt to showcase various shades of nuance and connotative flexibility available to native speakers of a 1700 word language.

Some of my phonetic renderings may not be 100% accurate and notwithstanding the fact that I come from another part of the planet are my opinions here meant to be in the least bit judgmental.

I just know an idiot when I see one.
We, in the New World, have our own region-specific brand as well. To note the above peculiarities was not in any way meant to imply yobbial exclusivity to the combined curses of laziness, stupidity, simple-mindedness, ignorance, brutishness, alcoholism, obesity, the shaven head as fashion statement, silly team tatts and a proven inability to handle money and women.

divad says:

Canadian Sports Talk:

Haaaagh - Keeeehhhhgh.

lesbian wife in cords and fleece - GONE.

thailand here they come (after watching the haaaagh - keeeehhhhgh)

Loose Cannon says:

I must interject here and correct the posting of the so-called Prufrock. She states:

"...for the yobbish scouser as 'ee's stummbling oveh t'telly to pugh on na gayme'en, innit."

The glottal stop is not part of the Liverpool dialect. It is a pheneomenon exclusive to Lancashire including the environs of Widnes, Warrington, Bolton etc. Moreover, the phrase "innit" is a London expression.

Miss Prufrock, harmless but misguided, seems like a bigot of the first order. What a totally unsavoury character she is. Perhaps she has been jilted at the alter by one of those "fausty-breathed fecking bullet-headed shitty-arsed fooough-bouwgh-yobbial refugees from Broke-Ass-on-Fecking D'ole?"

We will pray for you dear....

Poetic Justice says:

Seems like Raod Natzi has a wild hair up his ass! Or perhaps He is a little bit infected after having Prufrock's dirty little chipolata shoved up his jacksy? These 2 are a fucking joke. Prufrock the bigot and RN the racist.

What a lovely couple you make.

Don't bother replying because you only embarass yourselves with poor grammar and lukewarm ideas. How drole...

Prufrock says:

Divad: Sorry son, but your one deliberately misconstrued example of one word from my part of the world does very little to erase the linguistic, genetic, and aesthetic blight to which I refer.

The word football, last tome I saw it in print most definitely had a T after "foo" and two very large unmistakably velar-lingual LL's after that "bah" sound.

Hockey is just hockey to most people where I come from. In the States you might get "hackey" or ass hackey somewhere or other, probably in a bar where you can also get "Scatch ana racks" but that's they're problem. . . . STRETCH-MEISTER

Sorry, but there's NOTHING quite like that puking, dry heave, "foooughboaugh" sound I hear as the "gayeez-ah" stoombles t'telly ta fli'igh on, nao inni'.
These yobbo douchebags outnumber the tourists here at this stage and have done loads more to pollute the pristine farang image than any number of old fat farangs EVER could. Yobsters are an eyesore and an embarrassment. They're much harder to explain away than sex tourists. And when they're one and the same well . . . :-) I call it "Yobonics"
And they're all yours, divad dey're AL fecking yars ;-)

You guys might consider a military draft of something here, that might take care of it. Well, some of it. Maybe. Dunno.
Handing out cheap handguns at foughbough gaymes migh' do igh.

(This is all Antony Burgess BTW ;-) not Prufrock.

divad says:

No Prufrock, sorry mate, but

Haaaagh - Keeeehhhgh is how you get it in the fucking loser Wayne Gretsky shit bar in Taaaraaannaaaaa or up in Quebec.

Haaaa (grating, glottal stop, phlegm raising treble 'g' h) pause often 3-4 seconds and then they unleash with the Keee (similar rush of bad breath air and then similar treble 'g' h.)

Lose Burgess and try Irvine Welsh, you will get the 'fitba' pronunciations nearer and far away from the idiotic mix of south asian and english dialects you are trying to convey.

Rijav Singh says:

The Marquis Of Queensbury once left a calling card, for the attention of Oscar Wilde, at a prestigious London club. It is hereby reprinted and directed to Prufrock:

"Prufrock...masquerading as a ponce."

Road Natzi says:

Pathetic Jokist,

Why is it every time you post you like to talk about Anus's or things going into the Anus of someone.

Bout time you came out of the closet fagwana and line up ur yearly pass the the all gay fisting club and fuck right off out of MS.

You r an idiot. Wake up to urself and get out of my homeland, you useless farang reject.

Prufrock says:

Loose Condom: Thanks for that slimy re-framing of what I actually said. You're a real fecking time-waster ain'cha.
The British at their best, you are.
I understand your motives for re-framing lie squarely in the fact that the truth, unassailable as it is, hurts. So in order to respond, you have to make something up.
And you did.
Good for you, Desmond.

Now just where do you think you are? Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat. An I weren't talkin' about any pahticula brand of yob now wuz oi? I wuz tahkin about yobs in general now, wasn't I.
All-in yobs, I was talkin' about wuzn't aye. EVERY BRAND, you nitwit.

As for all you glottal fucking stoppers (both the real working classes and the PRETENDERS to the working class like the afore- mentioned fookin' fag Jagger)

You all do it. It's like your big badge of classlessness.

As for not accurately reproducing a Yorkie or a Scot or a Geordie or a Scouser or a Cockney to your satisfaction in this medium, why bother? who cares? You get my point.

This is Thailand fer fuck's sake. But it seems that we've all got to put up with either yer atrocious Yobbo-speak on the one hand or that POM arrogance you exude on the other.
Yer beyond belief in your arrogance and stupidity and, more's the pity, ya have no fucking clue that you are.

No matter. Y'all get corn-holed by "made-over" street whores y'all try sooner or later to pass off as GTG's in the end, though. To a feckin' MAN.

I'm thinking of three British fools right now who've built houses for women that other guys shag as soon as "andsome Ned" is on his way back to Kuwait, China or England.
One fat-arsed dickhead built two. He actually thinks he owns the one in Phuket. I mean THAT'S just how STUPID these nitwits are.

So it's worth putting up with your POM arrogance on the one hand and your YOB stupidity on the other just to watch the fireworks when the shit hits the fan (mixed metaphor)

And as for being a bigot? Go fuck yourself. I just know the difference between rational discrimination and gullibility.
And the difference has little to do with bigotry you smug nanny-arsed know-it-all.
OK Now Let's 'ave a bit of 'at deep Coronation Street "pot callin' kettle" wisdom before ya git back to ya pint.
Almost as good as Thai Wisdom.

divad says:

yes, yes, yes.

anyway classy, classfull, class rich classy, class chaps

what time is the HAAAAGH - KEEEEHHHHGH on?

for us classy chaps you understand.

Avid Fan says:

Been checking back over some of Prufrock's previous posts and he seems a most vile individual. I assume he would outstay any welcome upon his arrival. He spits: he bites: he vomits forth all sorts of venom. I guess he suffers from very low self-esteeem and finds it difficult to realte to rational human beings. He reminds me of one of those grumpy ex-pats who people avoid at all costs. Most of the time I cannot understand his invectives because he veers off into some pseudo-colloquial-twang that no-one probably can fathom but himself. A classic example of a loser in life and everytthiing else he undertakes. If anyone needs further proof...just examnine his forthcoming reply to my post.

Poetic Justice says:

Road Natzi,

You seem a little too obsessed with fisting.

Road Natzi? What an amusing little moniker. Do you whizz around Pattaya on your Honda Wave sporting one of those little plastic German Helmets?

I bet you do don't ya? Bet you make a sight. Still, we need light entertainment and boy do you provide it.

Look forward fro hearing from you Sweetie.

Professor Higgins says:

Prufrock,

What, may I ask, is a "Yorkie" accent?

ChurchLady says:

Now who's put you boys up to all this nasty talk? Insulting people, talking about your and their naughty parts.

“Now, who could it be? Could it be…SATAN?”

ChurchLady

kwai mai sabai says:

I wish you English teachers would stop fighting amongst yourselves. Save it for the class-room.

Prufrock says:

@ Avid Fan: And you'd be Jack the Lad, late of LSE fer shure . . . a POM arse-wipe too fucking pucca for the room, and therefore placed decidedly (by yourself) at the "elegant" end of this YOB / POM scale.
What the fuck; if your pucca thing gets on anyone's tits you'll "down-speak" yourself back into the poob with a few glottal stops. Ponce.
Anyone not buying your jive-ass patrician twaddle would, of course, be "one of those grumpy ex-pats".

The way you presume to speak for "everyone" says it ALL. Trouble is "everyone" already understands the pseudo-colloquial-(what was it? oh, yes)'twang'" It's the spoken version that we're on about, Nigel.

And you, there, divadoff with your worn out Wayne Gretsky "hackey" shite: fuck man you can't even rise to the occasion, can you. . . . .

I'll take just take the Bob Hoskins route here and just say
"Sport? You want to talk to me about sport? I'm an artist. Sport bores the arse off me."
You twats are pathetic.

Prufrock says:

@ Professor Higgins: Something like wurf, r-r-r-r-r, wurf, wurf, yip yip yip, wurf.

Let it go Dr. Higgins . . . the trouble with Pygmalionism is that it's too much fucking work.

divad says:

it's:-

haaaaghhhh -- aghhhhghghhhhghhh - aghghghgh -- aaaaghghhghghghghghghghhh

kkkkkkeeeeeeghhhhhhhghghghghghghghghggggggg
hhhghghghghghhhhgggghhhhhghghghghgh

Macam Kor Dio says:

The Love Song of Prufrock

T. S. Eliot

Translated from Italian

Summary: Prufrock is yearning for his love, Road Natzi, and envisions a tete-a-tete with his love

Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a go-go slut dancing on a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted sois,
The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in Soi Post Office cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with 100 baht all-you-can-eat
Streets that follow like a beach road slapper
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question...
Road Natzi: did you give me herpes?

In the room the katoeys come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

The yellow jism that rubs its back upon my aging boxer shorts
The slimy puke that runs from my muzzle on the window-panes
Licked its tongue into the corners of Prufrock's chocolate run-way .
Lingered upon the motocy taxis that stand in Soi BJ.
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from Road Natzis wizened tool.
Slipped in the back door, made a sudden jerk,
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled one in the shit-house, and fell asleep.

And indeed there will be time
For the 2 of us to sing karaoke and whisper sweet fuckups,
Rubbing your bollocks upon the window-panes;
There will be time, there will be time
To prepare som tam blaa laa;
There will be time to murder and procreate,
And time for all the works and days of my hands
That lift and fondle your excuse for manhood on your plate;
Time for you and time for me.
And time yet for a hundred fucks,
And for a hundred ham-shanks and precious hugs,
Before the taking of a toast and tea.

In the room the katoeys come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

Kasman says:

Prurock,

Now that you are no longer Mr. Popularity here at MS, except to Road Natzi, please for the sake of the majority, limit your ranting and raving to things that are at least remotely comprehensible.

Avid Fan has written you out like the book you pretend to be.

Now ask yourself? Can these many people be WRONG about you?

Mathematically the facts are not in your favor so please spare us some kind of non-comprehensible rebuttle.

Read this post written by yourself carefully and then look in the mirror and repeat it once more.

Some fecking "poob" sookin' bahck a point wif ya maytes??" Ah won't even BOTHER cootin' and paistin' the shyte that ye wroat.

The repeat it it while looking in the mirror 3 times.

After you do that, ask yourself if that isn't the most ignorant shit you have ever heard in your whole life?

OK, all those on this post (except Road Natzi), on the count of 3 grab both of Prurocks legs and pull as hard as you can until you hear a large pop.

The POP sound will be Prurocks head popping out his own ass.

broadbandbully says:

Pro's frock,
Go and get a life which doesn't involve sleeping with your keyboard.

Give everyone else a chance to give their comment without receiving a return post informing them what a moron they are and telling them your version of life is the only version that matters. What a geek! I wonder if he would be so brave if he met them in person. Or was it Pro's Frock who began his new life on MS with a bullshit story about a fight he saw on Sukhumvit?

Unlike Pro's Frock I will do a paragraph that is on topic. I was bored tonight so had a quick look through MS archives, everyone should do the same and just look at some of the crap PF as spewed out in his ranting posts. Several posters have sussed him and sadly no longer post on MS, these guys were a loss. Pro Fock wouldn't be missed. Fifteen replies on this post alone, one maybe on topic.

I reckon that long term western visitors have out lived their welcome, the current Thai Junta is looking for a scapegoat. Ex-pats after the Laotian will be top of the list, just wait for the next round of "Make Visa's impossible to get" comes around. Then you'll see how welcome you are.

Worse case is that Pro's Frock gets booted out due to the strange lust he feels for his keyboard. Maybe he should be made the sacraficial lamb to preserve to status quo tollerence the goverment as for long time farang. Thailand is a great place to live if you have pots of cash. So everyone who enjoys living here, just say "NO" to Pro's Frock. Grass him up to immigration for wanking over his PC.

No doubt within a few seconds of this being posted Pro's Frock will give a response saying he is correct and i'm way out of it and don't know what i'm talking about. Lets see?

meister says:

Every country I have ever been to has pretty much always blamed the outsiders, the immigrants, the people with a different colour skin or religion. Usually the blame actually lies somewhere else but is pinned on the easy target. Ignore it and let it slide!

Prufrock says:

Macam Kor Dio: A piece of poetry from a contributor who feels he need not make every couplet rhyme.
(British educated, of course,right?) Too bad about the Patts references.
They mean nothing to me. Sukhumvit? Patpong? Ratchada? Patpong?)

Let's have another. (without the training wheels)

* * *

If I GAVE a shit about a bunch of married guys sitting sitting in front of their monitors back in the UK with their hands busy single-handedly beating down an uprising, why would I throw it all away by picking a fucking fight with them?

Kasman? Summers? You're the one obsessed with his own bullshit.
(Keith's our local EXPERT on everything of importance here in Thailand. How are those adSense numbers tonight, Keith. Fresh in off the links from a round with your high-end golf buddies, are you?

Now would these be those cop relatives of yours who allegedly hacked off that kid's arm?
Or the cop relatives of yours that allegedly murdered those two Narcs in Lad Prao two days ago?
Or that cop gang that allegedly kidnapped the American oil trader and held him for 800K?

Or would these be the Ministry of Communications types (the ones you have in your pocket) who are allegedly gonna cut down this site?

Road Natzi says:

Mr Prufrock (wai) & Kasman Summers (foot on top of ur head),

Kasman,
You seem to know the procedure to getting ones head out of ones arse, obviously because you have done it so well for yourself over all these years.

Can you please enlighten us on how you manage to fit all those multiple cocks into ur body crevices and manage to type at the same time? (You are truly a very gifted faggot).

Prufrock,
At the moment my friend you would appear to be suffering from a condition known as 'tall poppy syndrome'. The best antidote for this is to proceed forward and ignore fuckwits like keith and continue forthwith. Be proud young man (tongue in cheek old fella) and keep enlightening and attempting to teach the ignorant, who in reality are just to scared to stand up and see things how they really are.

Wombat says:

Kasman

I don't think you are in a position to comment on anyones popularity. No-one has missed your arrogant opinions in the past week. Go back to the golf course. I'm certain someone needs a caddy.

Prufrock says:

@ divad: Sorry about all that truth-telling there.
Now, I know you're trying to say hockey? (That's "upspeak")
An'nen, like, you're trying to squeeze come kind of insult out of the way you think a Canadian hoser might pronounce it?("hoser" is the term you're all looking thru the trash for BTW: from Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas McKenzie Bros. routines of yore)

(Little known fact divad: Did you know that ice hockey is the world's second most expensive sport? Next to polo. :-)

But, divad, your posts sound for all the world like screams of pain and anguish.
Baahck in eeeuuwwKAY, right?
Truth hurts dunnit :-)

Oooops. Forgot. In Blighty, that's sport as well, innit?

Those Yobs, the chavs and your pucca Pom boss? They're all yours, divad. :-)

and Faber . . you only get to publish; you do not get to paraphrase.
You've been severely damaged I can see, by the darker, less glamorous aspects of your time in prison for that embarrassing playground up-skirting episode.
Your bowdlerized "Prufrock," a work of some talent, inspired by T.S. Eliot, your being trapped in eeeuuwwKAY and haunting prison memories of painfully, unpleasant sex with little or no foreplay.
You obviously just closed your eyes and thought of Pattaya.
Aaaah the web can be so cruel to a man.

But I suppose NOT being here is even more cruel than being here with no job and no prospects except the duck-footed Isaan version of your British wife.

Bugh(t) w've always gohgh foough-bouow on telly, 'ahven't we.)

Or are you looking to go back to your fausty-arsed, whingeing wife and that foul brood of ungrateful kids
at the butt end of your stolen three week package holiday, paid for with loose change from four and a half years of grocery money and decided on after three years of late nights spent hammering yer pud in front of the monitor.

debts up the yin yang

never to return.

BTW Keith The T.S. in the poet's name stands for "tough shit."

And "Loose Condom"? If you're actually here, it could be "Thai-sized Loose Condom".
That's how the rest of us refer to that "pinky puppet" -sized wrapper your 1500 Baht paddy princess pulls out of her bra before she blows you. (after the barfine and those 150 Baht colas for her and her friends all in, kaaa.)

Or are you sitting alone in your Karon Beach "serviced condo", surrounded by newly arrived toadies, dreaming of the day you can sell the turkey out and move the fuck on. Indonesia??
I'll give you $.62 on the dollar, Slaphead.
Including depreciation on the baht and lost opportunity cost, that's what you settled for before last time, wasn't it?

D333 says:

Macam Kor Dio,

"In the room the katoeys come and go
Talking of Michelangelo".

That gets my vote for the best post of the year so far...

Prufrock,

I don't mind your postings and I'll side with you that Brit Yob Culture is a blight on the face of the earth...however, your writing vanity gets the better of you. Your attempts to portray regional British accents are bloody embarassing and inept. Step away from the vernacular!

Also surprisingly dubious take that all Brits are yobs from someone who seems to be moderately intelligent.Isn't that a fairly yobbish position in and of itself? Prufrock "An American Chav"...who'd a thunk it?

Prufrock says:

Avid Flan: Aside from kasman/Summers and on a secondary level, yourself, just who on earth do you think your fooling with this hoity toity, "too pucca for the fray", high road, piffle- ridden, brainfart claim that you've read much of "Prufrock" and have the goods on him?
Where's the meat in that claim?
Absent.

Your snob diction diction worked in the dorm but you can surely not expefct to carry the day with such an outrageously specious claim.

Rabbit Flan, your holier than thou speech patterns incorporate all the self-important leaves and twigs of the patrician nest AS WELL AS the liberal blabbery and "We know better than you" sophistry of Tony Blair and that craven band of murderous Bushite blow-slaves you call a government.

What you've actually re-pasted up there somewhere was a boilerplate stock-in-trade rebuttal template for anything or anybody who wouldn't fit in with your own extravagantly fabulous opinion of yourself and a large percentage of your reality challenged compatriots.

'ave anoothah pastie, luv as soon as ya get that one off the roof uv yer mouth :-)

I trust that when properly challenged (as you've now been) you could at least emerge from the rubble of your puffery to respond in words of your own (not some cut and paste shit-storm)
To that end yo might possibly succeed in impressing people beyond the