Should I buy a business for my Thai hooker?

mr peter says:

This article has been doing the rounds on the interent for a few years and pops up all over the place. I must admit it does contain a lot of common sense and serves as a warning to anyone thinking of putting everything into a big move. If I had to choose a business start up I would steer anway from restaurants/hairdresser/beauty salon/bar. Being clueless about business I would set her up in something she knew about -a brothel (i'm serious) I always thought that the Eden club is crying out for some decent competition and that's what I would have a go at. Eden is a good idea which could be improved on fairly easily.-peter

willy says:

bloody hell - juz cos she knows how to fuck doesn't mean she knows ANYTHING about running a brothel. I would say keep away from her altogether.

Buffalo Bill says:

I have indeed some suggestion for Rick but I am sure he would not listen anyway because men under the influence of temporarily disturbed hormon order are mostly unable to. Which includes myself of course .

The ability to cook like an angel is of no meaning for a roadside restaurant. You want to make some money and not become the first 3 star Thai place in the Michelin guide. I have been to numerous Thai countryside restaurants where the food was a fuck but the place packed full due to brilliant location. What you need is ample parking space and a hut close to a main traffic road. Do not pay high rent , instead build a cheap place with hongnam which is away from the nearest house because the best business is a karaoke machine for the late hours. this thing will blast the roof away but the Thais love it. Labour is cheap anyway. Couple of young waitresses will help; if they go with customers, success guaranteed.

Cost of whole setup depending on where it is about 8/15000 USD including Karaoke on rent premises, be prepared to loose it all.#

If your tilac insists on " Small nice restaurant in Isaan village" then just forget it , there are 3000 already there whereever you go. UIn case you are planning to live there yourself better think about it. Life in Siam countryside is the most boring experience I can imagine .

Says Buffalo Bill , over to Rick.

Buffalo Bill says:

Rickyboy,

sorry for posting again but my eyes are widening with horror : I just read you are considering to leave your job in bahrein to open a restaurant upcountry with a overaged Thai postitute. Are you crazy ,man , I thought this was theoretical here . Jesus christ.

mr peter says:

I love the karaoke idea and have had the odd fantasy about this before. I can never understand why some do well and others do not though. I think Mr Bill is correct, location, location, location. You would have to find out where to buy small plastic pink plates and those funny metal tables and red plastic seats. Lots and lots of fairy lights outside are a must. Of course in my karaoke there woud be no string music on the box, customers wanting that could piss off. For some of the best of these places in Bkk see Petchaburi road.-peter

Buffalo Bill says:

Mr. Peter,

not sure if you get my drift with the karaoke setup. the way countryside thais enjoy that has nothing to do with anything you have ever been listening to at petchaburi road. imagine a bunch of 8 totally drunk male Siam citizen with a bottle of beer and a ciggy doing something that even an unconscious drunk Russian would not accept as " singing " . and this to Thai popsongs which are a pain in the ass anyway and every line ends with " aaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii " . Nuff said.

Ben says:

ok i won't open a restaurant. you think i should go public with the website or let it slide? do i fall into any above mentioned catagories?

mr peter says:

Mr Bill that sounds like all the ones I have been to, but often there are ladies present to sing the girlie songs thank god. I love them, best night out if there are no concerts. The best one of all is in the basement of the sofitel hotel in khon kaen, has to be seen to be beleived, karaoke heaven.
How about a mail order bride biz? I see the crook who used to run thai ladies is at it with another one, all you need is a few pics and off you go!-peter

khun george says:

A lot of points mentioned by this guy are pretty close to the point. I,ve been involved with Thailand for over 20 years and can say that when doing something there you have to remember the trinkism TIT (this is thailand). You can,t outsmart them for too long, they will wear you down.If you do them the Thai way you will probobly do better. Most of these guys who loose are the type who stay in the tourist areas e.g BKK,Pattaya,phuket etc
stay with falung mates living in a kind of vacum.Have no understanding of how to do things in the thai way and bitch about it when things don,t pan out.My philosophy about investing in Thailand is- what is put in in Thailand will always stay in Thailand.I am a falung so I own nothing there, my family has everything,everyone knows that I bank roll everything and thats satisfaction enough.I,m taken care of very well....
Thats my 2 cents worth.

Errant says:

The argument on taking up in Thailand, whether for or against, often converges on money, and if not actual cash flow itself then on matters closely related to money.

For some, other reasons loom large.

Consider one who leaves the familiar because he has tired of the relentless banality and tedium he endures in the land from whence he'd sprung. So he goes somewhere else. There, things are no less banal and tedious but they are unfamiliar, are in fact often confounding, even incomprehensible. Things are thus more tolerable. He's content not to understand what most people are saying because to understand would possibly bring a bit of disappointment. Likewise, he notes with bemusement the vapid concerns of this new land's striving and preening typesóthe wealth and power seekers, the fame wanters, the pretty peopleóthe very types who in the old land elicited from him disdain if not contempt. (He does however acknowledge that his desire to have sex with certain of the pretty people in Thailand can at times affect his response.) Regardless, he is here because here he has no stake in anyone or anything. In this place he can detach from nearly everything, including himself.

With the fullness of time our wayfarer does come to know not only that banality and tedium can not be avoided but also that they need not be endured. Their source he learns is not without. Banality and tedium are, rather, two things he has brought with him, and enough of each that he probably should have set off some kind of alarm when he'd been wanded at the airport. Later attempts to ship off his banality and tedium and send them poste restante to a place he will never go prove futile. They keep coming back.

Time passes. He stays here, does not go back there. If pressed he can not quite say why here and not there. Who knows? He may make noises about women, food, weather, but they are just noises. One place is as good as another, really. And so here he remains, a pilgrim of no discernible progress. Money talk for such a one would be, perhaps, inessential.

Cynic says:

You sir, are the errant sperm that made it's way from the the anus to the vaginal passage!

Mite says:

Thais having an evil masterplan to let foreigners fail is certainly bs. Why would they have such a plan? To eliminate competition? MOST of them can't compete and they know it. Some rich Chinese families can. Foreigners will not make it big enough for these to be concerned, those days are over, markets too mature. If you intend to compete in such a market, you will most likely fail.
"farang roo mark mai dee" is bargirl-speak and thus irrevelant. If a foreigner is smart and possibly brings money into the country (tourim, exports, even innovative entertainment for foreigners) and feeds a few people here, he is most certainly welcome and might succeed. Problem is to find a person to trust. Hardly possible in Pattaya, Phuket, even Bangkok. No bargirls or prostitutes, everyone knows that by now. Person should be foreign-educated with a high university degree and from a well-to-do middle class family (yes, it must be both). This is very hard to find and if you don't you better leave it. Keep your money together and sell to foreigners. Tourism still has great potential but only if you're innovative and the business stands and falls with you, so if they boot you out they lose a foot and an arm. A restaurant in Isaan? Only if you've got money to spare. It will most likely not work. Do something for the sheiks then, they might like it here.

bahrainboy says:

Absolutely, do not, DO NOT leave Bahrain for Thailand, until they fire you. And then go to Europe anyway. But if you're determined my wife and I will swap locations with you tomorrow. Bahrain is a haven of justice, fairness, and reason compared to the Land of Biles at the moment.

Rick H. says:

Given a choice between living in Bahrain or Thailand, and I have spent much time in both, is like trying to decide between a swift kick in the balls or a blowjob.

However, another restaraunt in rural Thailand is about as necessary as a second hole in your arse. There IS money to be made from the sex starved toursts streaming in to the usual Thai sin cities.

clark says:

There was a bar in Chiang Mai I used to like to frequent called the ba ba bo bo bar. I used to envy the owner of that establishment because night after night he would just sit there mixing his favourite music through a half decent sound system. Seemed like a heck of a lot of fun. Being the dreamer I am, I started planning my own establishment where I could sit back and mix my favourite tunes, to an appreciative audience, surrounded by lovely thai bar maids in mini skirts. But that isn't a business - it's at best a hobby.

I would think many people aspirations to run a restaurant in Thailand are about as lucid an idea. I live in another Asian town where I see a huge turnover in dining establishments. It's kinda cool to see a new idea in the same spot every 4 months but I can't imagine putting my hard earned money into something like that.

Wouldn't starting a website like Mangosauce and selling ads be more likely a 'sure thing'?

TANAI KWAI says:

Errant,

Your post was vastly under-appreciated. This passage was particularly provocative:

"Likewise, he notes with bemusement the vapid concerns of this new land's striving and preening typesóthe wealth and power seekers, the fame wanters, the pretty peopleóthe very types who in the old land elicited from him disdain if not contempt. (He does however acknowledge that his desire to have sex with certain of the pretty people in Thailand can at times affect his response.) Regardless, he is here because here he has no stake in anyone or anything. In this place he can detach from nearly everything, including himself."

Good stuff. Though you didn't dwell on the ineluctably seedy aspects of the personality profiled, the last line above brings to mind the fable of the Ring of Gyges from Plato's Republic. (Whosoever wore the Ring of Gyges would gain the power of invisibility and immediately set about raping his neighbors wife and farm animals, etc.)

Relieved of their shame by anonymity (invisibility) and detachment from their familiar strictures men descend (or in some cases not involving forcible ravishing, ascend) into all manner of indulgent behaviors that would have never been appropriate in their former lives.

I'm not a religious guy, to say the least. I decline even to identify myself as "atheist" or "agnostic" to avoid giving too much credibility to the whole religious dynamic. But it's worth acknowledging the words of the conservative, Christian, British social commentator and philosopher Malcolm Muggeridge:

"When mortal men try to live without God, they infallibly succumb to megalomania, or erotomania, or both. The raised fist or the raised phallus..."

The legions of godless wayfarers do little to disprove this. And so in this connection, one place is not really as good as the other. In Thailand one can indulge a devotion to megalomania and erotomania simultaneously, with just a relatively few baht. One can play-act the role of an international traveler with cachet and ample resources and the unschooled farm girl right off the bus will buy in to the illusion. That's heady stuff and after experiencing it the existence of such men might feel considerably less banal.

Once you breathe deeply of Amazing Thailand (though I advise doing so at a remove from any open sewer grates in the street) you are no longer as you once were nor ever shall be again. I think the place makes almost everyone, regardless of their proclivities, transcend themselves in some fashion or other.

(...)

tonychang says:

Tania Kwai and Errant,with all due respect, you are as my esteemed father would say "a pair of clever cunts":)

TANAI KWAI says:

"Cunts"! Thank goodness. Sweet music to my ears.

So tired of being likened to Kant.

All of that emphasis on "Anschauung" never resonated with me. No scorn for the obvious, that Immanuel.

(winky)

SiLeakHunt says:

Fuck me Tony Chang, this is where you're loitering.
What's new. I (thankfully) got myself banned from NEP.com and have started a new life breeding ferrets in Nhakon Burnley.

Cheers

John U says:

Tanai,

Have you noticed there's a "Silly Cunt" trying to engage you?

Maybe it's the same person as "Got Three Cocks" or "Loose Elastic" or even "I Pee Green".

Who knows these days, some people are so afraid to fart they think they're going to shit themselves.

There's not many like you and me baby who've got the guts to reveal their true indentity.

TANAI KWAI says:

John U,

No one named [insert single/double/triple entendre] has attempted intercourse with me.

For my part, I remain a member in good standing of the gutless cunt club inasmuch as my real identity remains obscured beneath a thick veneer of braggadocio, verve and swagger (and my barrister-buffalo monicker).

As I've said before, there are probably some tough guys on the internet... but I ain't one of them and I doubt many here are quite ready for the Octagon against Genki Sudo, or much less, Chuck Liddel. (Sure, we see the occasional Mick Channon-type but even he abandoned his real name for some Scottish "Mc"-something handle in his last post.)

That being said, one should have the decency to throw down with a single identity. But not everyone can endure pariah status for more than a few days.

(winky)

tonychang says:

SLH, yeah still here geez,aint looked at NEp.com for a while though theres a few recruits here who'd like it over there (see above).Just got turned down for a 3K job (white-coat hypotension) so looks like I wont be gettin on a plane for a while. You should get your mob (London contingent etc)posting here as none of them seem to have undergone an irony bypass recently.

TJ says:

Very well said Bahrainboy and Khun Goerge, Im new to all this and I still cant believe some of the TITS on here thinking they are gonna make a long term thing with some old slapper who has to cook cos she can no longer sell her twat.

Porkswordsman says:

The problem with most westerners' ideas for business ventures in Thailand is they are so banal and boring, and already done by Thais. (Karaoke, for Christ's sake?) Also, the competition is horrific. Time to think laterally....one of the iconic memories of Bangkok for most falangs is the Tuk Tuk. We all like riding them for the windy relief and the insolent / funny style of the drivers' repartee but think how many tourists would like to drive / race a TT (under controlled conditions of course). Why not rent a parcel of land, buy 30 or so run-down vehicles and do them up, then install some neon lights and a couple of attractively staffed bars and let the boys don crash hats and career around the track for baht-500 per half hour or so. I'd be in it.

Rick says:

Just to be a little more concise about the restaurant idea; I'm not thinking about the boondocks of Isaan, but Chiang Mai is my favorite place. I gave up on the Thai hooker and found out she's alcoholic, bi-polar depressed, possible liver disese cause she shits yellow daily and either ulcerative colitis or peptic ulcer or both. Man, all that at 30 yrs. of age. SOM NAM NA. Serves her right for fucking the US Fleet and half of Saudi Arabia. I'd be an alcohlic too to plow thru all those "baloney ponies."

TANAI KWAI says:

"I gave up on the Thai hooker and found out she's alcoholic, bi-polar depressed, possible liver disese cause she shits yellow daily and either ulcerative colitis or peptic ulcer or both."

Hmm, quite. Who would have guessed she abused alcohol? That won't do at all. Yes, these defective, sickly ones should be thrown back immediately, sentimentality be damned. Peptic ulcer? How dare she! Christ, what are you, a nursemaid?

"Serves her right for fucking the US Fleet and half of Saudi Arabia. I'd be an alcohlic too to plow thru all those 'baloney ponies.'"

Serves her right? Didn't you meet her while she was fucking for a living? What did you expect? That you were her first customer? Sounds to me like somebody told a fib. Perhaps it was, "I wait you, Rick!" or "I be good, honey!" or "I no work for man!" Serves you right, I guess.

Better luck with the next 100% healthy, problem-free virgin hooker.

(winky)

John U says:

Rick,

I've heard it all now!!!!!!

I'm no angel , fuck me no

I've done some things in my time, but examining my bar girls shit is something even I wouldn't stoop to.

John U says:

Rick,

Just another thought, did she shit on a tabel of glass for you?????

Jules says:

Plenty of table shitting already in Thailand. We do not need another business built around it.

Spicy Polly says:

Khun Rick,

This story might be a bit late in coming but it does reflect what has been said by the others.

Know your Thai girlfriend more before investing in any money. In the many years i have been in Thailand, I've heard countless stories, first-hand sometimes, of farang men being ripped off by their Thai prostitute girlfriends. A German friend/entrepreneur of mine who has been living with his Thai girlfriend-cum-whore for "5 years" got ripped off by half a million baht when he allowed her to manage his business and bank account. The guy was devastated but didn't press charges, even though he knew where to find the girl. His only question was, "why did she do such a dastardly thing to him" after 5 years?

Another Italian friend of mine who owns a restaurant in Phuket got ripped off also by his Thai wife-former-whore of 3 years. He almost got bankrupt, closed down his restaurant and built another one coz the girl got the first business (it was registered under her name). Of course, the marriage went kaput!

My advice in your situation: let your head work instead of your dick! Unless she goes through reform school, you can't really teach an old dog new tricks.

REDBAROS says:

I hope all of you Thai lovers out there read this. There seems to be a big misconception out there about Thailand. I think it is rather hilarious that an overweight or aging European seems to think that his 20 year old Thai honey actually loves him. Or is surprised when she cheats, lies or steals from him. Fact - I have had lots of sex with Thai girls who are talking to their old men farang boyfriends on the phone- while I bone them (Saying "I love you too much"....yea right). I am 30 years old, been going to Thailand since I was 21. If it is too good to be true it probaly is. Yes, I know as I age I will not have it this good. I realize that. At 30 I realize that, why are the 40-60 year olds out there that don't realize this? I hate western women just like the lot of you. They are garbage. Yes, Thailand is great place to go have sex with sweet and young girls. But come on man......

Now, I am married. Go ahead laugh. I am married to a Thai girl. We have been married 6 years now. 6 years! And I have still not bought a house or a business. I am just getting to that now. You are mad if you think you can go there, meet a girl in a month or so and live happily ever after. Just don't work that way. My advice is to go there and shag as much as you can for awhile and only after you have shagged as many as you possibly can , then think about settling.

I have taken my wife abroad. I have left her in Thailand alone for many spells, I have lived with her in Thailand and in my home country. Only after many trials and tribulations have I come to trust her. But that trust is within reason. She is still a woman. As sweet and beautiful as she may be, since she is a woman she is inheritly flawed. Maybe less flawed then a western girl sure,...but still....anything that bleeds for 5 days a month and does not die must never be trusted.

To get a solid life going in Thailand I can not underestimate the importance of family. You need to meet the family. You need to immerce youself with her folks. You are going to have to wear flip flops , going to have to eat that Isan food, have to drink whiskey with the old man.....all that. You can't go "visit" them and then stay in a hotel cuz you can't bear the wooden shack they live in. Spending time with them you can start to see what the real story is,...if they are asking for money constantly you got a problem. But at the same time if her 7 year old cousin is getting ready to start a school year and you can't afford to give her a 1000 baht to go buy some supplies and maybe a new school outfit you got problems. If you go up there with crap money,....if you don't have a pot to piss in,.......it will not be very good. She may love you, but she expects you to support her and maybe help the folks out a bit. Again, this dont mean giving the old man 1000 baht every day to go drink whiskey and play cards with his friends. This means striking the right balance. Being reasonable. The article at the top is a little too negative if you ask me, but some of the other responses are too positive at the same time.

tonychang says:

in my limited experience, if youre gonna get seriously involved with a Thai bird its best to make sure her family are either
A: Wealthy
or
B: Dead

daniel says:

NO NO NO NO..........!

J says:

Why do you date a hooker man??

Kangwan says:

I am a Thai student,a girl: I understand what you are talking about. I would like to explain that it's not all Thai women are bad or hooker like you wrote. Good Thai women have more than bad one. If you and your wife really love each other and trust each other; I think your family can survive with happy.I also know good farang and bad farang too. His wife is very good person but he could hurt her without kind.She trust him and open mind for everything but he never. He always insult her parents so it's sure that she will not patient to live with him. If you think to love Thai women; first of all you have to respect their culture.Parents are important person for child so please do not insult of say bad words to them. It will show that you are not good one. If you want to live with peace so please to learn and understand about our culture.We are not bad person, but however I can't tell you who are good or bad. I can only say that if you sure that you are good one and really would like to have good lover who you can trust and not hooker; you have to look in her deep heart and spend time to learn her love, not only one night in the hotel. Good one rather find hard in bar or go go ; but I can't tell you where. I can say that there are good women around the country.

Masud Karim says:

"Dear Readers:

I was in Chiang Mai and in Bangkok for a long 3-month official and later personal tour early this year. It was my first time in Thailand. The country amazed me so much that I was really thinking about settling in Chiang Mai. Some Thai's also suggested me to purchase a 4-storied house having shops in ground and first floor with 3 bed on the second and third for 3.5 million bath (USD 100,000) that surely seemed reasonable. I thought what's wrong if I rent-out some shops, start something my own in others and live atop. I was so serious that after coming back to Bangladesh I started contacting my local brokers to arrange selling my property and settle the money in USD in bangkok. My property in Dhaka alone could fetch me no less than USD 1 million, so money wasn't a problem. Then I again went to Chiang mai and started talking to purchase that property. But fortunately a childhood freind who studied at ABAC in Bangkok, contacted me and requested me not to take any decision. I was annoyed but don't know why may be someone loves me in heaven, again came back to my home and contacted him. What he told me was really a nightmare to me and changed my whole stupid idea. At the end of the day, you are who you are. And above all you are not a thai. You can get married to a Thai girl but you won't get citizenship. So if you get a divorce from your Thai wife you will be in big trouble to get back your property or any reasonable money out of it, as you can't even sell it to other foreigners without your so-called Thai partners approval. And trust me thats not going to happen. So better you save money to have a trip their as a tourist, enjoy and come back home and nothing else. But if you are trully in love with a Thai girl (I am not necessarily talking about prostitutes their are good girls as well) and have some controlling mechanism in your hand than you may think about it. But be cautious cos at the end of the day your money matters to the majority thais and you are alone their with no citizenship rights unlike as is in the western countries or even in Bangladesh. We have a local proverb "A crow can't be a peacock wearing it's feathers". So I would prefer to be the crow for the rest of my life and the peacock when I travel Thailand as a tourist. Thanks to this site and the suggestions from the non-Thais here.

Cheerio"

mongallai says:

It is tough to make a living here - no doubt about it - but if you can trust your gf 100% you've got a head start. I've met a lot of guys who own bars/restaurants and profess to the good life, and next time you go by the place is bordered up. It takes awhile to put all that trust in your lady (whether BG or not). Some know the score - that the majority of Thais are xenophobic, and, if devoted, will help you overcome this regardless. Other girls will take their percentage and screw you over even more.
Only those farang who have been here awhile stand a chance to succeed, probably after mistakes made and money lost. Bars, Karaoke, restaurants are just vacation extensions. Many guys have left it all behind, broke and brokenhearted.

Khun Eddy says:

There is an old saying that covers some of this and applies to various places in Asia. Saying goes like this, "Poverty in Asia is bad, but there is only one thing worse than a poor Fil/Thai/Indo--that is a poor Farang." Don't fall into that trap.