Patcharapa "Um" Chaichua

Thai Man says:

Gosh, reading your comments nearly made me toss my cookies. Obviously, farang has the worst taste in asian women. You farang people likes girls that look like they came out from the National Geographic magazine. No wonder farangs are just madly crazy for e-sarn, flat nosed, deeply dark skin with textures like sandpapers.
Don't judge "Thai girls" as the type of looks you have in mind, you creep. The real "Thai girls" really do look good like Patcharapa. You guys spent too much time walking around the Patpong and Pattaya night-life area. Get to the real world of Thailand, there's more to just where you stuffed your beer bellies with beers and esarn sausages.

Cynic says:

Thai man:

I've noticed that there seem to be many more good looking women outside my window than on the telly.

I'm guessing its cause all the daughters of rich Chinese are put on TV as a favour for daddy.

Kevin says:

Dear Thai Man,

At least Farang aren't shallow & racest like

the Thais who judge every girl by her skin color.

Just because a Thai girl has white skin, a big

nose and is tall, doesn't mean she is beautiful.

She's only beautiful to RACEST THAI MEN who

want to take money from her purse.

Issarn Girls are like any other Thai Girls,

except they have to deal with all the SHALLOW

THAI MEN telling them they are too dark.

I have seen really UGLY Thai/Chinese Girls

who have "Peu Kao" but nothing else.

I guess that is just too much for a Thai Educated

Brain to think about.

Give all the Thai Girls a CHANCE.

Kevin

TANAI KWAI says:

Um is smoking hot. Were she quite a bit darker she would be a dead ringer for my girlfriend, who is from the South of Thailand (and is sometimes mistaken for Miles Davis from behind).

It is my observation that beautiful dark Thai women command their share of attention from farang and Thai alike. Unfortunately, my espresso-colored gal seems to attract them all. I could spend my whole day shooing away Italians and Thai policemen and the like if I were not possessed of such Buddhist calm (and an imposing member).

As for THAI MAN, surely that is the clever pseudonym of some cheeky farang? Otherwise, how tragic to have such raging prejudice against "flat-nosed, deeply dark" women when the good woman who shat you out likely resembles an Esarn bar girl much more than she does the lily-fair Khun Um.

Sick, ain't it?

(winky)

Kevin says:

Dear TANAI KWAI,

I am GLAD at least you understand that

Thai Girls who have DARK SKIN are BEAUTIFUL

TOO. In my travels all over the globe, I have

found that 3rd World People are THE MOST

RACEST on the planet.

Many White Skin Girls in Thailand have nothing

going for them other than White Skin.

And we won't even get into a discussion about

How Many SHAMELESS THAI MEN use their

Girlfriends for MONEY. If I was a Thai Girl I would

NEVER put up with these LOSER, DEADBEAT

THAI GUYS. How can they treat these GORGEOUS

Women so BADLY?

KEVIN

Thai Man says:

And I guess you stupid farangs are oh so perfect? Excuse me! Westerners are more well-known all over the world for being a racists. I wonder who created words like Niggers, Boat People, White Trash, etc??? Get a life, you farang people who thinks Thailand is just basically a place for having cheap sex with your so-called pretty girls. Sorry to break the news to you people, but the educated Thai people like us think you people who wanted to work and live here in Thailand are just a bunch of no-brainers who could not find a job back home.
Hey, let's start with working as an English teacher in Bangkok, they wouldn't know the difference. Then in the meantime, look for more decent jobs in the classifieds. What a wanker.

Kevin says:

Dear Thai Man,

WHY are you so ANGRY? Thai people, even Thai

Tourists have all the rights of a Westerner in the

Western Countries, but Farang have no rights at

all in Thailand. Are you PROUD of that?

YOU are very racist, and having a Thai Education

is nothing to brag about.

Farang Men DO NOT live of their girlfriends like

SO MANY THAI MEN. You cannot accept the

TRUTH or any CRITICISM about Thailand.

Thais' SELL THEIR COUNTRY out for 100 Baht

at voting time.

Some people in the West need money too, but

we don't SELL OUR CHILDREN to brothels

or factories.

I know Thai people who are far more educated

than you, who don't think all farang are idiots.

Thai men make up 90% of the sex for sale

scene in Thailand.

Farang come here to spend money, which

help Thailand, Thais' only go to America to

MAKE MONEY because they get paid SLAVE

WAGES here. Thai and Thai/Chinese

treat their employees like slaves.

You are a perfect example of a Thai who is racist,

and criticizes Farang, but when somebody tells

the truth about what really goes on in Thailand,

you GET MAD.

JAI YEN YEN.

Thais CHEAT Farang and do it because they have

different skin color, Thai Police see farang and

ask for MONEY. WHY can't THAIS take care of

themselves and quit using their children as

SLAVES for lazy Parents.

SLAVERY is against the law in the Western

Countries, but NOT in Thailand.

Thailand does have a lot of good things about

the culture, and my Thai friends are very nice

and open minded.

Too bad you are not.

Kevin

Kevin says:

Dear Thai Man,

In my hometown, Los Angeles, we

have 400,000 Thais living there.

And that is just LA. Thais go there because

they want to make money. No Farang come

here to make money, they like living in Thailand.

But ever since Thaksin and the RACEST TRT

party came to town, things have changed in

Thailand.

HOW MANY Farang Men take care of Thai Women

and their children, because Thai Men ran away?

How Many MENG DA'S are there in Thailand?

WHY CAN'T YOU FACE THE TRUTH? WHAT ARE

YOU AFRAID OF?

Many more Thais live in Western Countries

than Farang who live here. So what if Farang

like Thai girls, I don't teach English or work here,

Thailand is getting A LOT of money from me.

And I know LOTS OF EDUCATED THAI &

THAI/CHINESE GIRLS who don't want a Thai

Boyfriend.

Isn't it funny how you HATE Farang so much,

but Miss Thailand is almost always HALF FARANG/

HALF THAI, like a lot of Thai Movie Stars.

OOPS!!!!

ASIA is the most RACEST part of the world,

too bad you are not able to admit the TRUTH.

If you don't want Farang in Thailand, do you

want all the MILLIONS of Thais' who live in

Western Countries to return to Thailand?

There are good things in every culture, but you

are SO FILLED WITH HATE you cannot see that.

Thailand is a culture that "runs away from

problems, them blames Farang because Thais

can't face their own problems".

HOW SAD for Siam.

Good thing all Thais' don't think like you.

Freedom of speech and opinion is not

something you understand or respect.

Open your mind.

When you go to America do the Police ask for

money because you are Thai? Do American

families ask you to build

their daughter a house and give the family

money? Do Americans point at you and say

THAI, THAI, when you walk down the street?

No way. DO people say, Oh, you're THAI you

have to PAY MORE. Never.

YOU MUST BE THE ANGRIEST MAN IN THAILAND.

Did some Farang Girl turn you down, or what

happened?

KEVIN

David T says:

Sounds like there is more than just one angry person on this thread

TANAI KWAI says:

"Sounds like there is more than just one angry person on this thread."

(David T.) How dare you?

"And I guess you stupid farangs are oh so perfect? Excuse me! Westerners are more well-known all over the world for being a racists. I wonder who created words like Niggers, Boat People, White Trash, etc.???"

(THAI MAN) I think you're on to something. Racism must be a Western thing. That's why there are no racist words in non-Western languages. It's also why the Cambodians and the Thai get along so famously. It's why the Koreans love the Japanese. It's why the Israelis never met an Arab they didn't like. It's why the Hindus and Muslims have been engaged in an all-out orgy over Kashmir. It's why the Tutsis will walk a mile in the snow to smell the Hutus' garbage. It's why Native American tribes lived in brotherly love for centuries before the devil white man showed up.

But you know all that, what with your education and all.

"Get a life, you farang people who thinks Thailand is just basically a place for having cheap sex with your so-called pretty girls."

Unfortunately, it's not always that cheap.

(winky)

KEVIN says:

Dear THAI MAN,

IF you have a Farang Girfriend, I say

"Good Luck for you". It is not my business.

So WHY do you get so upset that Farang

have Dark Skinned or Issarn Girlfriends? Do you

own every Thai Girl in Siam?

If you "hate dark skinned Thai Girls" so much,

YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY Farang men like these

BEAUTIFUL Thai Girls and take care of them.

You should be THANKING Farang Men for not

having the same PREJUDICE you do. Farang

Men build these girls houses, take them on

vacations they would never go on otherwise,

buy them gold and give their families money.

IS there something WRONG with a Farang Man

loving and taking care of a Dark Skinned Thai

Girl? I don't hear them or their families

complaining.

I wish you would try to have an OPEN MIND.

It seems like you were educated in England,

so how can you hate farang so much, when you

HAD TO GO TO A FARANG COUNTRY JUST TO

GET A DECENT EDUCATION.

Many farang love Thailand, isn't there ANYTHING

you like about the Western Countries?

Instead of spending so much time HATING

FARANG, wouldn't it be better to worry about the

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS the Thai Government

steals from Thai people every year?

Just a thought.

THERE ARE MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT

THE THAI CULTURE THAT "WE" FARANG LOVE.

Thai people go the USA to make 10 times the

money they make in Siam. SO if a Farang

comes here to work FOR LESS, maybe he/she

just likes Asia and the Asian Culture.

I HOPE in the future you will try to understand

us Farang & Thai all need to get along.

THANK YOU. I ASK FOR YOUR

UNDERSTANDING!!!

KEVIN

Thai Man says:

Let me rephrase what I wrote:
"you people who wanted to work and live here in Thailand are just a bunch of no-brainers who COULD NOT find a job back home."

Cynic says:

I generally think that the ethnic Thai's (Lao, Khmer, Malay etc etc) of both sexes tend to be better looking than those in Bangkok. The exception is the small minority of Bangkok Thai's without Chinese blood who are also very good looking.

David T says:

Hmmm THAI MAN. I would say the majority of Farrangs that go to Thailand are pretty intelligent decent human beings. Living in Bangkok for any amount of time however is bound to have an effect on one's mental state.
How Long have you lived in Bangkok for ?

Cheers

Thai Man says:

"I would say the majority of Farrangs that go to Thailand are pretty intelligent decent human beings."

Haven't met one so far.

RubberSoul says:

Whats up Thai Man? suffering from penis envy? are you sure you can satisfy your farang girl with a small Thai penis....

DAVID T says:

THAI MAN, with your attitude I am not surprised. Move on mate....

Thai Man says:

A farang girlfriend? Ha! I never thought of wooing or having one. Asian girls are the best. As a matter of fact, I'm happily married to a Thai woman ... and no, I don't live on her money. She's a housewife and I bring in the money to support the family ... like many other rich thai/chinese couple (as you referred us to).

What do you know about the rich thai/chinese people? How deeply do you know about us? You spent most of your time with the other side of Thai people and you think that the Thai esarn men are the same like us. Hogwash! We practically live on a different world, dude!

And by the way, not all farangs have big peewees man. Don't exaggerate, Rubbersoul. Some Thai men have a surprisingly bigger penis than a farang. And yes, I do think mine is well-endowed enough to satisfy a farang girlfriend (if I had one) thank you. You started about this penis thing first, Rubbersoul, which has nothing to do with the things we are talking about. It automatically sets you in the no-brainer crowd.

To you David (the one who wrote this article), this article of yours suck.

Too bad, I'm the only Thai person in here to comment about this.

David says:

Thai man - Your first posting included the kind of grammatical mistakes that Thai people routinely make in their writing. Now, however, you have become sloppy - and you're writing in the style of an American fella with too much time on his hands. If this little charade is to continue, please try to remain in character. - David

KEVIN says:

Dear Dave,

I like your website but there is far too much HATE

going around, but I know that is not your fault.

THAI MAN, you generalize about Farang,

and you hate ISSARN people so much.

I wonder where all your HATE comes from.

By the way I do know Rich Thai/Chinese people

but they are too successful to be so filled with

hate, as you seem to be.

I seriously doubt that you know any Farang,

how could any Farang have a discussion with you.

PS. It was the Chinese who introduced

Prostitution to Thailand, and it is the Chinese who

own everything in Thailand, because they work so

hard and really are serious about Education.

But I have seen how RACIST they are against

the Thais and everyone who is not CHINESE.

Hope you are Nicer to your Wife than you are

to the Farang on this website. I do AGREE that

Asian Girls are the best, and I am glad you are

NOT

the kind of Thai Guy who lives off his girlfriend.

WHy is it I wonder that you call all Farang here

losers, yet you leave out all the Thai & Chinese

Men who make up %90 of the CLIENTS of the

Sex for Sale Scene here. Guess you didn't

KNOW that PATPONG was started and is OWNED

by the Chinese.

I respect the Chinese WORK ETHIC but they are

very RACIST.

If you never meet any intelligent Farang here,

what does that say about the places YOU hang

out.

I am sure you will reply in your typical racist, hate

filled fashion.

If you hate Farang so much stop using all

the things invented by Farang, electricity,

computers, refrigeration, and on and on.

Kevin

tonychang says:

Kev
I think you need to get your Enter key fixed mate.

Thai Man says:

David - who's talking about grammatical mistakes and sloppiness. It's not the issue. I'm saying your article on Um sucks and your view on how the Thai men love women with this sort of look.

".... but she looks more classy than sexy. The voters were obviously Thai. Thai men love tall women with porcelain skin and big noses. This is puzzling because it's the total opposite of what most Thais actually look like. Maybe it's the scarcity value that gets them going."

"... Either that or get a farang jury to choose contestants with broader appeal...." (how dare you and what a conceited person u are)

Read my first response and get a grip on what I am commenting you in the first place.

As for the others, love to chat. But I want this dork to tell me more on what solid facts is he based on writing about Thai men? Would it be pleasant for you if I, a foreigner, would be writing an article commenting about a westerner's taste in women in their own country!?

And no need to comment on my grammatical mistakes again, Mr. Journalist. Some in here can't even spell the word "racist" correctly. So what. As long as I can communicate and somehow got this thread going everyday.

David says:

Thai Man

1. You misunderstood my comment about your grammar.

2. No one would be offended if you wrote an article about westerners' tastes in women in their own countries.

3. I'm not a journalist

4. Thanks for getting the thread going

5. Can we draw a line under this stuff and move on please?

Thai Man says:

David, you are totally hopeless and pathetic. Get a life, brat. You are obviously the one, as a matter of fact, who should be moving on. Why don't you write articles or state comments about the things you're more specialized in. This article of yours (as well as many others you wrote) shows you know very little about the Thai society in real-depth. Don't try to argue with me that you truely know about the Thais more than its own native, local persons ... and believe me, I am not speaking on my own behalf.

By the way, "The Journalist" was just a sarcasm.

I'll surely draw the line here once I see you write articles on Thailand and it's people based upon reliable, solid facts. I don't want a bloke like you writing misleading informations to others.

David says:

Thai Man - Just three days ago I dropped the dramatic bombshell that my website was, in fact, composed mostly of "poorly researched and factually inaccurate articles worthy only of derision" so, on this occation at least, you and I are in perfect agreement. - David

TANAI KWAI says:

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN:

You plead with David to do the following:

"Read my first response and get a grip on what I am commenting you in the first place."

I hear you. You just want to be judged by a faithful interpretation of your own words. Fair enough. So let's be unmistakably precise about what you are saying and we'll clear this whole misunderstanding up, what do you say? I am confident you will find my summary to be systematic and unbiased.

Come on! It'll be funÖ Ready? Here we go....

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 1:

WITH RESPECT TO PHYSICAL BEAUTY, DARK-SKINNED THAI PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO LIGHT-SKINNED THAI-CHINESE. DARK THAI WOMEN MAKE ME PHYSICALLY ILL... NOT ONLY DO FARANG MEN FAIL TO APPRECIATE THE SUPERIOR BEAUTY OF THE THAI-CHINESE RACIAL GROUP, THEY ACTUALLY PREFER THE BRUTISH, PRIMITIVE FEATURES OF THE DARKER THAI WOMEN WHO ARE FROM THE LOWER CLASSES AND THUS CANNOT AFFORD BEAUTY TREATMENTS TO MOISTURIZE THEIR SKIN.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 1:

"Gosh, reading your comments nearly made me toss my cookies. Obviously, farang has the worst taste in asian women. You farang people likes girls that look like they came out from the National Geographic magazine. No wonder farangs are just madly crazy for e-sarn, flat nosed, deeply dark skin with textures like sandpapers.î

[How am I doing?]

THAI MAN PREMISE 2:

DARK-SKINNED THAI WOMEN ARE NOT RACIALLY PURE ìTHAIî WOMEN. THE TRUE THAI RACE IS OF CHINESE EXTRACTION AND SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH THE ABORIGINAL RACIAL GROUPS THAT POPULATE RED LIGHT DISTRICTS FAVORED BY FARANG MEN.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 2:

ìThe real ëThai girls' really do look good like Patcharapa."

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 3:

FARANG MEN WHO FREQUENT THAI RED-LIGHT DISTRICTS ARE FAT AND SUBSIST ON BEER AND PRIMITIVE ETHNIC FOODS.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 3:

ìYou guys spent too much time walking around the Patpong and Pattaya night-life area. Get to the real world of Thailand, there's more to just where you stuffed your beer bellies with beers and esarn sausages.î

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 4:

I ADMIT I AM A RACIST (AS ARE OTHER THAI-CHINESE). I ADMIT THAT RACISM IS SOMETHING OF WHICH TO BE ASHAMED. BUT WESTERN PEOPLE ARE BETTER KNOWN FOR THEIR RACISM ON A GLOBAL SCALE. THE PROOF IS THAT RACIST WORDS IN ENGLISH ARE WELL-KNOWN IN ENGLISH.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 4:

ìAnd I guess you stupid farangs are oh so perfect? Excuse me! Westerners are more well-known all over the world for being a racists. I wonder who created words like Niggers, Boat People, White Trash, etc???î

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 5:

MY COMMENTS ARE INTENDED FOR THOSE FARANG MEN WHO BELIEVE THAILAND IS MERELY A PLACE TO ENJOY ECONOMICAL ACTS OF PROSTITUTION WITH DARK-SKINNED WOMEN WHO ARE NOT PRETTY.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 5:

ìGet a life, you farang people who thinks Thailand is just basically a place for having cheap sex with your so-called pretty girls.î

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 6:

I AM THE PRODUCT OF AN EDUCATION OF SOME KIND. FARANG PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THE OPINIONS OF SIMILARLY EDUCATED THAI-CHINESE PEOPLE. SUCH THAI-CHINESE PEOPLE ALL BELIEVE FARANGS LIVING IN THAILAND ARE NOT INTELLIGENT AND THAT SUCH FARANGS' ONLY REALISTIC ASPIRATION IS TO WORK AS TEACHERS OF THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGES.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 6:

ìSorry to break the news to you people, but the educated Thai people like us think you people who wanted to work and live here in Thailand are just a bunch of no-brainers who could not find a job back home. Hey, let's start with working as an English teacher in Bangkok, they wouldn't know the difference. Then in the meantime, look for more decent jobs in the classifieds. What a wanker.î

[Editorial comment: I can attest that wealthy Thai-Chinese on Holiday at the Hard Rock Hotel in Pattaya DO give me dirty looks when I escort my chocolate Thai girlfriend into the biggest suite in the place. But that may be because I myself look MexicanÖ Or perhaps because we sometimes have one or two new-found friends in tow from Happy A-Go-Go in the late eveningsÖ no matter. ANYWAY, back to the analysisÖ]

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 7:

I HAVE NEVER MET ANY FARANG IN THAILAND WHO POSSESSED INTELLIGENCE OR DECENCY.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 7:

David T: "I would say the majority of Farrangs that go to Thailand are pretty intelligent decent human beings."
THAI[-CHINESE] MAN : ìHaven't met one so far.î

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 8:

ASIAN WOMEN, SUCH AS MY THAI-CHINESE HOUSEWIFE, ARE SUPERIOR TO ALL WOMEN. LIKE MANY OTHER RICH THAI-CHINESE, I AM THE SOLE WAGE-EARNER. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAI-CHINESE PEOPLE BECAUSE OUR WORLD IS CLOSED TO YOU. WE ARE NOT THE SAME SPECIES AS ESARN PEOPLE.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 8:

ìA farang girlfriend? Ha! I never thought of wooing or having one. Asian girls are the best. As a matter of fact, I'm happily married to a Thai woman ... and no, I don't live on her money. She's a housewife and I bring in the money to support the family ... like many other rich thai/chinese couple (as you referred us to). What do you know about the rich thai/chinese people? How deeply do you know about us? You spent most of your time with the other side of Thai people and you think that the Thai esarn men are the same like us. Hogwash! We practically live on a different world, dude!î

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 9:

SOME FARANGS HAVE SMALL PENISES. I AM KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT RACIAL DIFFERENCES REGARDING PENIS SIZE. SOME THAI-CHINESE MEN HAVE SURPRISINGLY LARGE PENISES THAT ARE LARGER THAN THOSE OF FARANGS IN GENERAL. MY THAI-CHINESE PENIS IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SATISFY A FARANG WOMAN AND IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO DESCRIBE MY PENIS FURTHER SINCE THAT WOULD BE OFF-TOPIC.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 9:

ìAnd by the way, not all farangs have big peewees man. Don't exaggerate, Rubbersoul. Some Thai men have a surprisingly bigger penis than a farang. And yes, I do think mine is well-endowed enough to satisfy a farang girlfriend (if I had one) thank you. You started about this penis thing first, Rubbersoul, which has nothing to do with the things we are talking about. It automatically sets you in the no-brainer crowd.î

And finally,

THAI[-CHINESE] MAN PREMISE 10:

DAVID, YOU HAVE WRITTEN AN OBJECTIONABLE ARTICLE. OTHER THAI-CHINESE WOULD SUPPORT MY VIEWS WERE THEY HERE. I BELIEVE YOU WERE RIDICULING MY WRITING ABILITY. THIS IS NOT WELL TAKEN SINCE KEVIN IS A MORON WHO CANNOT SPELL ìRACISTî AND YOU ARE NO JOURNALIST. WHILE I DO NOT DENY THAT THAI-CHINESE MEN HAVE THE VERY PREFERENCES YOU VILIFY I AM STILL ANGRY. I DESERVE PRAISE AND RESPECT BECAUSE I HAVE OFFERED VIEWPOINTS THAT CAUSED OUTRAGE SINCE IT LED TO THIS THREAD.

Quoted basis for THAI[-CHINESE] MAN Premise 10:

ìTo you David (the one who wrote this article), this article of yours suck. Too bad, I'm the only Thai person in here to comment about thisÖ

David - who's talking about grammatical mistakes and sloppiness. It's not the issue. I'm saying your article on Um sucks and your view on how the Thai men love women with this sort of look. David - who's talking about grammatical mistakes and sloppiness. It's not the issue. I'm saying your article on Um sucks and your view on how the Thai men love women with this sort of look. And no need to comment on my grammatical mistakes again, Mr. Journalist. Some in here can't even spell the word ëracist' correctly. So what. As long as I can communicate and somehow got this thread going everyday.î

* * * *

Okay, THAI[-CHINESE] MAN. I think I've been fair to a fault.

Anything I got wrong?

(winky)

Thai Man says:

TANAI KWAI >> You asked "Anything I got wrong"?

YES!! ALL!! I'm not a Thai[-Chinese] Man. See? You can't even decipher my actual origin. How could you or David truly understand what the Thais think deeply down inside.

I didn't come from a wealthy Chinese family. My ancestors ain't Chinese. Can't speak Chinese and never cared to speak. Don't know what the Chinese traditions are. Don't care when is Chinese New Year this calendar year. Don't care what is an "Ang Pao". Why? Because I AM NOT A THAI-CHINESE. Do make that clear. So what you are referring me to as doesn't fit me into any of your description of why I am the way I am. Sorry. Try again.

I am puzzled why in the world you and some others started bombarding me with the word "Thai-Chinese" in the first place. I had never once said I was. You've been imagining and referring me as one all the time.
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"She's a housewife and I bring in the money to support the family ... like many other rich thai/chinese couple (as you referred us to)."
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So now I hope you (and David) understand that the views given were not from a Thai-Chinese as you IMAGINED I was. My wife just couldn't help laugh at some comments in this thread, trying to improvise that they know so much about Thailand and its people. And no, she is not Thai-Chinese either. We are very much Thai and live a very traditional and conservative Thai life.

There's no need for you or anyone to carry on with your creative imaginations about me. All of your comments about me being a Thai-Chinese (which I am soooo puzzled) adds more weight to the fact that how can a foreigner know more about a country and its people than its own people.

By the way... "Kwai" means buffalo in Thai doesn't it? Snicker snicker.

DAVID - Appreciate that. I'll be moving on as you requested.

Cynic says:

Sorry Thai Man:

It was just an assumption based on the fact that the Chinese run Thailand.

Please accept my heartfelt apologies

Thai Man says:

Cynic -- Apologies accepted.

TANAI KWAI says:

THAI [NOT THAI-CHINESE] MAN,

Ay ay ay.

(In case you don't know what an "Ay ay ay" is, it's what well-intentioned but exasperated people of Mexican extraction say when Thai people clearly lead on that they are Thai-Chinese.)

You say you are "soooo puzzled" at why anyone would presume you are Thai-Chinese.

There's a little something the academics refer to as "textual hermeneutics." It involves doing our best to interpret a text's internal logic and meaning by reference to other portions of the text. Since you are a scholar, I would have thought you might have appreciated the difficulties your comments presented. First, I fully concede that you said:

"She's a housewife and I bring in the money to support the family ... like many other rich thai/chinese couple (as you referred us to)."

This did give me pause. Was THAI MAN mocking his interlocutors for assuming he was "rich" or "Thai/Chinese" or both? Based on this statement alone I would never have assumed you were Thai-Chinese. Again, this is entirely about YOUR WORDS. But then look at what you write immediately thereafter...

"What do you know about the rich thai/chinese people? How deeply do you know about us?"

Any thinking person would have to err on the side of concluding that you were now embracing the description that you were both "rich" AND "Thai-Chinese." This statement is not susceptible of any other interpretation. By these words you actually suggest you possess deep knowledge of rich Thai-Chinese people that could only be obtained by being one of them.

So you see I myself was not relying on "creative imaginations" but on the information you provided. I have no agenda (here) other than to clarify your true opinions.

Here is the point:

TANA KWAI'S POINT:

THE ONLY ASPECT OF THE ANALYSIS YOU DISPUTE IS THAT YOU ARE THAI-CHINESE. IF ONE REMOVES THE "-CHINESE" FROM THE OPIONIONS SUMMARIZED ABOVE THAI MAN DISPUTES NOTHING STATED IN THE ANALYSIS.

So now we understand each other and there is no need to clarify anything you've said further.

Please note this has nothing to do with me purporting to "know more about a country and its people than its own people." I concede you know far more about my dissolute, racist Western culture than I know about Thailand. I would add that your English is excellent and skill for which you should be justifiably proud. No doubt, you are highly intelligent and extremely industrious.

I can see, however, why you would want to drop this thread at this point. You know I have been fair in the extreme in parsing your opinions. But when your words are held up to the light of day like maggots under a wet carcass even you cannot help but be sickened and embarrassed by your own words. Forget Kevin and everybody else... Do you imagine that your professors are proud of how you have used your magnificent education to arrive at such beliefs?

You say you and your wife "just couldn't help laugh at some comments in this thread." Evidently, she shares and supports all of your own opinions. This saddens me because I can only assume you will raise your children in these beliefs. This is tragic because:

(1) if they are light-skinned they will look down upon dark-skinned members of Thai society as their social and cultural inferiors;

(2) if they are dark-skinned they will be torn up with self-hatred, worshipping half-farangs as more beautiful than themselves and wasting money on skin-lightening creams and plastic surgery.

But I suppose you and your wife will have a good laugh about that, too.

Now that you (and your laughing wife) have nothing left to dispute about the meaning of your own words you will definitely want to move on.

(winky)

Tanai Buffalo

[By the way, my name is intended to be ironic and self-deprecating. In a highly stratified society such as Thailand (surely you'll grant me that) there is a certain class of social-climbing Thai person who would brag about professional status and education. This same sort of person would also be gravely insulted by being called any kind of animal. As a happy-go-lucky American I don't give a rat's ass about social status or whether you think you are taking my face (snicker, snicker) by calling me a silly name. There's plenty more face where that came from, my friend. And there's a little free insight for you about MY culture.]

Thai Man says:

Tanai Kwai >> To tell you the truth, I just briefly and quickly browsed through your comments as I know you will be filled with hotair again. So go ahead and go berserk. It seems you have too much time on your hands anyhow. Good luck in your life, my buffalo friend. Will call you when our farmer friends need an old buffalo like you to plow our rice fields. Do you need a "nok eieng" to go with your in-grown costume? Hyuck hyuck.

TANAI KWAI says:

THAI MAN,

I have no doubt you read my comments very carefully. I suspect we're both busy guys but you've proven FAR too sensitive not to obsess about the opinions of khwai farang.

Maybe your wife just stopped laughing so hard this time, huh? Tell me, how much does she spend on skin-whitening creams?

Funny how everyone's a "no-brainer" when they tweak you with amusing vulgarity and name-calling. But when your sickness is exposed with clarity it's just "hot air."

We like to say in the West that "the truth will set you free."

Boy, is that a stupid saying.

(winky)

TANAI KWAI says:

Have to admit, though -- the "nok eieng" thing was pretty funny you self-hating Thai-Chinese motherfucker.

Well played.

thai boy says:

god bless bin-laden.
i hope he kill you all farang hahahahahaha

Falalalalalang says:

Um, yeah... would that be before or after he fucks all of your mothers, sisters and daughters?

Mike says:

I guess the point is that we falangs think it is sexy to have spent some time in the sun, because we can do it on holiday only (at least that's true for 80% of the falang country). It's quite difficult to get sunburned in the office.

So, the darker somebody is, the more time he obviously had burning in the sun, haha. Nobody would believe you're a worker, as we have immigrants for those 'outside' kind of jobs.

Anyway, I dont see the problem: You Thai guys get the lovely white, mostly thai-chinese chicks, and we falang content ourselves with the lower working-class dark-skinned third-class girls, hehe.

And we love it, don't we ;-))

Anantachai says:

no-brain?er (nbrnr)
n. Informal
Something so simple or easy as to require no thought.

TANAI KWAI says:

Anantachai:

fish in a barrel <--- shooting

We do what we can to make those who would be our enemies interesting/threatening/worthy.

Sometimes that means ceding them the easy ones.

(winky)

myko says:

The article was really David's opinion of how Um looked like to him. That's alright because everybody has their own taste in women's features. Also to add about how Thai men like light-skinned females versus dark-skinned females and how Farangs like the opposite. Everybody is just interested or attracted to something different from what they are...

bin-laden says:

dear falalalalalang

i spent time in some of your falaaaang country before actually i have gratuated from your country
honestly, i have fuck Falang mother,wife,daughter,sister i have fuck them all
you should have heard when falalalalang scream when i fuck her hard.i assump you think all thai man have baby dick but not me my friend.my dick is 9 inches long longer than your daddy i make an assumption on the message you post you not a man at all is every falang all that pussy face?
you not welcome here.well i got to go i have something better to do than criticise a mother fucker like you.so i will end this up with fuck you and HAVE A NICE DAY :)

ERNESTO ORTEGA says:

SHE IS A PRETTY WOMAN, GOOD FOR HER
THAT SHE WAS VOTED THE SEXIEST THAI
WOMAN

screw says:

Khun Bin Laden,

Good for you that you have a 9 inch dick. Why dont you give yourself a blowjob and shut the fuck up?

Anonymous says:

TANAI KWAI said:
" It's why the Koreans love the Japanese "
Better go back and mabe further research?

C'mon DAVID, give me a break bro, Ms. Umm is a vert fine looking lady.

TANAI KWAI says:

Anonymous Guy:

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

(winky)

Anonymous says:

you dont need to explain anything. kwai says it all perfectly. thank you.

TANAI KWAI says:

Anonymous tea-bagger:

Does the phrase "pearls before swine (or Khwai)" mean anything at all to you?

Try reading it again...

"(THAI MAN) I think you're on to something. Racism must be a Western thing. That's why there are no racist words in non-Western languages. It's also why the Cambodians and the Thai get along so famously. It's why the Koreans love the Japanese. It's why the Israelis never met an Arab they didn't like. It's why the Hindus and Muslims have been engaged in an all-out orgy over Kashmir. It's why the Tutsis will walk a mile in the snow to smell the Hutus' garbage. It's why Native American tribes lived in brotherly love for centuries before the devil white man showed up."

(wasted winky)

STFU says:

" ": You sure' got that one right!

Anonymous says:

I didn't know this was a FALANG ONLY website....makes sense now ( circle jerk ).

TANAI KWAI says:

HELP! I need a translator. Does anyone speak "idiot"? (Other than STUF'D?)

No one labors under the belief that this is a "falang-only" website. No one worthwhile has expressed any desire that it be so.

If I may, the snippet I posted was a TONGUE-IN-CHEEK response to a previous moron who made the suggestion that Westerners had a lock on racism. I was merely suggesting that others on the planet at least dabble in this kind of ignorance.

(ay ay ay)

DaftAndBlond says:

Racism underlies much of this discussion (on both sides). The darker races (including the Thais) know they have...

[I've deleted the rest of this comment due to it's racist tone. Not only is it offensive to Thai readers - it's boring too - David]

TANAI KWAI says:

D & B:

I suppose you are just a bombthrower but...

In making such magnificent progress in the last thousand years the European tribes have stood atop the shoulders of the peoples of:

Arabia

Egypt and other parts of Africa

the Asian Sub-Continent; and

such civilizations as the Inca and Maya (who were charting the stars when the fair-skinned races were still inhabiting caves).

These things tend to be cyclical on our planet. It will be interesting to see how much we Westerners contribute over the next hundred years relative to the people of India, for example.

The trifecta of world evils: (1) child abuse; (2) racial hubris; (3) religious intolerance.

Honorable mention: early bar closures.

(...)

q-_-p''' (thai) says:

EXCUSE ME!!!... why is dis farang vs. Thai argument goin in this fvking UM Patcharapa page? Just accept the fact that there is beauty in some decree of women... white, black Esarn, thai-chinese, Jap, etc.
to THAIMAN... seriously dude, u r a disgrace to Thai's mann... farangs got "white trash", I think we must also consider u and other exploiting thai men "Thai trash" as well... WE thai's must realize that Thailand is the land of SEX... millions-billions of dudes fly here every fvking year for sex. this is known through out the world dawg... I'd really like to make something clear... AS i'm studying in a famous top 3 international school in Bangkok, Thailand... There are Farangs who do come to Thailand to get them cash as well. Upon walking around LA, I heard these racist fvkers saying "Argh.. These Thai bastards again... They all cae here just for them 'BENJAMINS' coz their home aint got work to do", this is in fact true for many people but please never be racist on anyone or atleast not in public, cos every fvknig beings' got pride in their own nation and culture... and if u want to live long and not ending up in bins... neva say it ghetto's... especially in CA.
Thats basically all i gotaa say to y'all debating dudes....
P E A C E O U T ! ! ! !

Antihero says:

Well Q- -P you've certainly done nothing to disprove the "racist" notion that a Thai high school diploma is the equivilant of an 8th grade education in the West. Do they teach you to speak in that broken ebonics ghetto English at your "Famous International school?"

TANAI KWAI says:

Oh, for chrissakes...

Give the young brother a break. Don't begrudge him his pride in attending "Harvard on the Chao Praya" or wherever. Better to have him in a jaunty uniform than running loose on the streets cooked out of his mind or, worse yet, in a Madrassa.

(P E A C E O U T ! ! ! ! )

the weegie says:

Aye, but isnae Patcharapa "Um" Chaichua lovely, by the way.

No mistakin' , likes.

NotSure says:

Perhaps Western languages have racist words because Western nations can recognise racism, whereas Asian nations can't (or choose not to).

Weegie: Aye, but isnae Patcharapa "Um" Chaichua lovely, by the way.
Agreed, but in that photo she is surprisingly medium-dark not lily-white.

Thai gal says:

dear Thaimen,
Please stop embarassed our country by misrepresenting Thais.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dear Thai Gal,

Welcome!

Rest assured, we know THAI MAN does not come close to representing the best of your people.

We all love Thailand here and do our best to understand its complex and interesting culture.

(winky)

Rak Thai says:

Dear Thai Gal,

Thailand and Thai people have nothing to be embarrassed about! Thailand is the greatest country in the world and Thai people are the best!

Chaiyo!

non farang says:

dear thai boy

you said to the farang :

"you people who wanted to work and live here in Thailand are just a bunch of no-brainers who COULD NOT find a job back home."

what does that statement reflect ? sound like "no brainers" are good enough to work in thailand.

please do not cut your nose to spite your face..

bai-bua says:

Um had plastic surgery and she changed the color of her complexion. She was a presentor for a beauty center in Pin-Klao area. Before she was dark and her nose was not big.
For more info. u may ask any Rangsit U. student code 38-40 something i think. they knew her well :P

BLACKCUNT says:

Thai man and the rest of you,

Farang might love the darkies, Thai men might love the whities.

What about the white farang women and the Thai/Chinese women and the last but not the least darkie women , THEY ALL CAN DO WITH THE BLACK MAN ' at least in the dreams .

The most endangered species is the blackmale.

Young Black Teenager says:

WORD

5000 G

Peace OUT

John Little says:

We (Australian) fa-langs have simple tastes. Like my funny 2nd cousin -the 1st was a boring Catholic chap- told me back in 1973 when I offered to make him a cup of with an innocent enquiry about how he preferred that beverage....."same as my women John; black and strong".

pikeman says:

ThaiMan
I think this model is a very pretty young lady, no doubt. Now your negativity towards Issan girls is odd though, they're Thai as you are, you maybe whiter and more educated (by good fortune I may add) but the bottom line is that yes falangs can be racist and in falangland some will lump you together as one and refer you all as slopes, dinks or chinks, now you dont like that as neither would an Issan farm girl. I am not Thai, I dont want or try to be. You are Thai, Issan girls are, you will never be falang nor would you want to be.....dont be angry at Issan because someone here claims you have a maggot willy!

dexlowe says:

It's amazing that people don't realise that Thaiman is not Thai. He's a wind-up merchant. But have fun anyway, posters. At least he's encouraged peripatetic ramblings on a subject that many of us are interested in -- enough to vent our spleen, that is. Good one, mate.

Dex.

TANAI KWAI says:

"Wind-up merchant" <=== love this expression as much for its evocativeness as for its respect for the rule regarding adjectival hyphenates. We don't use it in the U.S.

If Thai Man is a put-on it's pure genius and I would be not a bit embarrassed for falling prey. But I believe there's zero chance of it.

With apologies to Nietzsche, he's real, all too real.

(...)

JR says:

I skipped thru most of the comments to just add, to judge somone based on skin tone is not racist. Many farang prefer tanned FARANG over pale wan red heads fore example, are you saying they are being racist? Heck its not even a good example becuase Red heads are nearly a different race than the typical farang.

ray says:

I think this whole debateis absolutely riduculous, hell one could barely call it a debate, its more like a kindergarten fight. Everyone has different tastes and preferences get used to it. My girlfriend is a Chinese Thai, and many people tell me she is beautiful, i live in a western country and noone ever says anthing about her being Asian, perhaps all westerners arent as racist as they seem??? Thai man is perhaps the one who has never stepped outside of Patpong as he claims to have only seen foreigners there. In all my time in Thailand i have never stepped foot in Patpong and would never stuff my belly with sausages there, but if i choose to, why should he care. It seems to me that Thai Man is simply intolerant of other peoples choices in life. He should just go and live his life and leave us to live our own. Thiland is a wonderful country but it is not perfect, no place or person is. He should be grateful that many Farang visit his Beautiful country and help it's economy. Without tourism Thailand would lose alot, by berating every Westerner who visits Thailand he is shooting his onw country in the foot. Luckily Thailand is not full of arrogant egotists like himself or we wouldn't bother visiting at all. Peace to all colours and creeds we are what we are, noone gets to chose.

ray says:

Sorry about my spelling mistakes should be debate is not debateis, own not onw, Thailand not Thiland and a lot not alot :P Thought i should correct those myself before someone had a bitch about it.

ray says:

Lastly, I like Um, but i dont find Issan girls ugly either.

ThaiTiger says:

I agreed with "ThaiMan". I wish that all the filthy farangs would leave Thailand. I'm not racist BUT I don't want any of the sex-crazed assholes in Thailand.
I agree that we have problems in Thailand, but here's a reality check: why the hell do u travel half-way around the world to be with a Thai woman? This is ultimate racism as u have only subjected Thai women to fit yr sorry fantasies.
I like Thaksin and I hope that the new generation will wake up and keep Thailand for Thai people.

stu_$ says:

its amazing to me how many people can communicate so effectively with such impressive vocabulary , yet ultimately demonstrating they have the IQ of a cabbage at room temperature !

err, hello goofball...this is earth calling ,
any intelligent lifeforms please respond
for fucks sake,
people always want what they havent got !

its no suprise lots of people with dark complexion
think that porcelain skin is the epitome of beauty
and obviously vice versa...

this has nothing to do with racism,
(which i abhor in all its forms )
to you guys who dont like farangs
why dont you have your boyfriend hose the sand out of your vagina ?

this the 21st century, wake up man
jumbo jets , internet travel agents ....
the people of the world are travelling,
there are people from everywhere visiting every country on the planet, get over it !!!!!!!

if some farang (what a stupid word )
actually did something to piss you off then
pop that bitch ass in the mouth
with a bunch of fives , or are you a pussy ?
dont sit on your pc bitchin about it !

in australia my family employs many travellers every year from all over the globe
i'm swooning a whole palette of women
and 10 women from the same country arent all same , they are all different, its fucking great

anybody who says " all (insert stereotype here)
are fuckin (insert assumption/wild generalisation)"
is revealing themselves to the world to be
a profoundly dumb fuck , to put it mildly

and its not an exclusively racial phenomenon either

the guy in a porsche may wish for a 4wd
vegetarians may salivate for a strip of bacon
single men dream of married life while the married guy sneaks off to brothels or a strip club
a CEO with a six figure income can dream of sitting on the couch all day scratchin his ass watchin TV
meanwhile the guy who's on a couch all day ponders whats its like to wear a $300 shirt or snort cocaine of a high class hookers ass

i dont have a PHD, or own my own business (yet)
but i do believe there is beauty in every woman
including a 75 yr old with tits like onions in a shopping bag,
some guys go for that...and good luck to them !

some guys get hard ons for a 300lb bitch covered in whipped cream
others might pitch a tent for bony asses

friend of mine showed me an advert for phone sex once , the lady in question proclaimed to be quote:
"a dirty fucking cunt of a bitch "
some people will pay $6 a minute to listen to filth
apparently it gets them off,
personally that would get me soft quicker than seeing oprah naked

thats the beauty of this planet
theres something for everyone
but i reckon granpa was right when he told me
common sense aint common at all !

so thaiman, if you dont like farang then dont like
but dont go on about how they are all the same
cause if all farang are all the same then
all thais must be the same...
so you must be the same as the lady who washes
my dirty boxers,
or the sweaty old man who begs with a 7-11 cup ?
maybe your the same as the lady who's giving me a hummer under the desk right now...

i'm not here to piss off thai people...
i love this country and the people ,
you have many things to be proud of
i'm hoping you will change your mind about farang
if indeed you are a thai national,
which i fear you are not...

and to tanai kwai...
i would like to express my gratitude for your
vigilance in putting some of these bent people straight...i often dont have the stamina
you sir are gentleman and a scholar
i'd tip my hat if i had one
stu_$ esquire

Pooh says:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Quote - ThaiTiger
I agreed with "ThaiMan". I wish that all the filthy farangs would leave Thailand. I'm not racist BUT I don't want any of the sex-crazed assholes in Thailand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hey Tigger, great idea!

But why just stop at farangs?

Why not ask all foreigners black, white & brown to leave?

Have fun with your buffalo then.

Waxhead says:

>>Um had plastic surgery and she changed the color of her complexion. She was a presentor for a beauty center in Pin-Klao area. Before she was dark and her nose was not big.
For more info. u may ask any Rangsit U. student code 38-40 something i think. they knew her well :P

You may be thinking of Nairn not Um - 'cause if I recall correctly um is not particularly smart and never went to Uni? Nairn is Bang Mod presenter if I recall correctly, and can be seen in a number of VCDs.

Anyway...As a genuine Thai I'd just point out that beauty is based on limited supply. The same as luxury goods are luxury because they are distant from something (usually on the basis of restriction of supply or through price), beauty is the same. Western women are desirable (or used to be) 'cause they were slim and tanned. Hard to be tanned in a climate in the middle of winter - only the rich chicks (i.e. distant from the rest) could afford to get that fake look. In the same way, sadly Thailand is currently in a white skin phase, where white skin is prized over dark skin. Interestingly, I can guarantee that virtually none of the superstars on Thai TV have particularly white skin, Um included. Very fair skin is usually acheived through lighting, not make up.

The reason ya don't see women looking like beauty queens all the time is because in each country, if everyone looked like a beauty queen, then how would we choose between them? So instead, media, us, everyone decides - ah yes, all the other women have small boobs, so a woman with BIG boobs is perfection.

Just look at pin ups and role models over the last 50 years and you'll see massive differences. Both in Thai and in Western tastes.

Your observations in this thread that "gee Thai men are so stupid, why can't they choose some dark skinned cutey from anywhere in some mall..." well for a start your argument is the same as saying any typical white chick is a beauty contestant, 'cause beauty means having big boobs. You'd be wrong to suggest that any white chick could be a winner in the same way as most of the women you'd like to see could be a winner here.

Thai tastes are different to some of your tastes. Um is popular as a pin up, in the same way say Brittany is popular as a pin up. Or Pamela Anderson. But a lot of other guys would prefer say Pim from Zaza or Yosawadee (names that come up a lot as beautiful). Both different and pretty. (Incidentally, Yosawadee is half Isaan, half Hong Kong.)

It is fairly insulting to suggest that Thai people should adopt your tastes, and it would be equally insulting to suggest that white people's tastes in Thai women or any other women is somehow inferior to Thai tastes just because white men, on average (but not always, but on the basis of my and my friends' observations) tend to prefer shorter darker women. Shorter darker women are in no way less attractive than taller, whiter women. However, they are somewhat more common, and additionally beauty pagaents have height restrictions, which rules out women under say 165cm (and incidentally I prefer short women so that means more for me since some beauty queen would probably not consider me, despite the fact, that I am probably the most hansum man ever), this reduces their chances. Additionally, there are multiple screens and a large influence from "maew mongs" and the prevalence of "dek sen" means that a poor under priveleged girl is gonna struggle against someone more connected.

Wrong? of course. TIT? No way. In the same way that western beauty pagaents massively favour women who can afford plastic surgery, braces, good portfolio shots, etc - so it is in the Thai beauty pagaent world.

BTW sorry aobut pageant - I really canot spel.

Just because someone is Thai does not mean that their views are representative of all Thais. This is my view, and incidentally some of the crap that are supposedly premises of Thai Chinese men...well, come find me son, and we can discuss these one by one, as I think you may find that there is some serious bullpakky in that muck ya call "writing"

waxhead says:

Dear Kevin

Please explain to me why all the Thai men who are married to women from Isaan are racist, and yet you, who claims that farang (and presumably your good self) are not can ruthlessly sling comments like this:

>>She's only beautiful to RACEST THAI MEN who
want to take money from her purse

>>Issarn Girls are like any other Thai Girls,
except they have to deal with all the SHALLOW
THAI MEN telling them they are too dark

>>Thais CHEAT Farang and do it because they have different skin color

Oh yes, lovely gems there, not even restricted by phrases like "some Thai men" or so on.

If it sucks here so much, why do you hang around? "cause after all, you've just pointed out how everyone is out to cheat you?!

Friggin heck - either you are a glutton for punishment....or alternatively....a complete moron.

I'd suggest the latter.

Oh ho.... poot mahk kit noi chephai na mueng!

Ronin says:

I like your style, and you're so right about "poot mahk kit noi chephai". That made me laugh out loud.

Most of 'em "hang around" Thailand because it's cheaper and easier for them than their homes. Raise the prices enough and they'll fly outta there like bats outta hell. 555...!

Farang khee nok klap ban dai laew puak mueng!

John U says:

Waxhead & Ronin,

I'm pleased to see that there's some fun in your postings, but I'm buggered if I know what it is.

How about letting the rest of us in on your (so far) private little laugh in.

On the other hand if you want to keep this site purely for ex pats who want to show off that they know a little Thai, then fine. I'll go elsewhere.

But as far as I know the site is meant to appeal to mostly people who can speak and write in English.

tonychang says:

Waxhead & Ronin,
ฝัค อ่อฟ
Cheers
tc.

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

John U,

Waxman and Robin's blabla about speaking too much and flying home in Karaoke Thai are quite worthless, the creative thing they did is to inspire Tonychang to Thai-encrypt a wonderful "F* Off". I'd spell it differently but easy to read anyway ;-))

"Shinyhead and Batman's Lover, I will throw you to the dungeons!"

Lucius "Translatorius" Domitius Ahenobarbus

JDMAN says:

Read the thread. A fine race.
Win place show....Thai Gal, TK and Stu_$

And the daily double is....?

Siam says:

ThaiTiger,

If you really are Thai then you really are an ignorant tosser. Thaksin is for Thai people? Yes - If you in the 1% elite and that includes his own family. (All Thai Chinese). The Middle and Lower Classes have been decimated under his adminsitration. The Media is no longer democratic and his image abroad is very poor.

I think you are either Fat Yank with nothing better to do or FemiNazi.

Combover says:

Quote from a Thai colleague re: the Free Trade Agreement just signed with Australia.

"[big issues] are telecom sector and farm products. Telecom sector which PM's company is the dominant player in the market will benefit most while local agricultural sector will suffer worse especially dairy farmers"

"On front page of newspaper FTA represents Free Thaksin Agreement as he never asked approval from paliament or public."

Clearly, some Thais think Thaksin is a self serving tosser.

Dana says:

Regarding the juvenile knee jerk admonition to 'love it or leave it' which I remember from the 60's in the States (if you are so critical of Thailand why don't you just leave. . .)--that is already happening. Talk to the tour operators and the vendors and the barowners and the hoteliers about the real numbers--profit and loss figures. Volume of business figures. Farangs (ex-pats) are already starting to leave and old hands are giving the globe a relook. One of my experienced farang friends is now going to Brazil. Another to the Dominican Republic. Cuba is getting attention. The Aussies love the Phillipines. Bali will bounce back. Things are becoming more liberal and more fun in Singapore. People with unlimited funds love Hong Kong. Thailand as a sex tourist destination is yesterdays news. It used to be fun and funny and exotic. Now it is just tired commerce indifferently delivered by amateurs and thieves. Times are a changing. And not for the better. As the last farang boards the last plane the Thais will cheer but it's a sound that will signal their demise. The farangs represent a self selected alpha group of people. Men who can dream and save and plan and focus and mix socially and take an interest in new things. Big hearted smart men willing to take risks and make a contribution. If these men were allowed to mix in Thai society, own land, pay taxes, marry the locals. recieve equal civil rights, run businesses and participate in all phases of society they were qualified to participate in; Thailand would benefit. It's a little thing called immigration. Smart strong confident people don't mind making room for someone else around the campfire. Insecure mean spirited people make all new faces enemies. Thailand will probably get what it thinks it wants. The farangs will leave. Too bad. Every friendship not made is an opportunity lost. The Thais are so busy getting 10 baht for a 5 baht bus ride that they are blind to what they are losing. The future.

Waxhead says:

F&*k OFF?

Well, that is a fine comment... I wish I had thought of that ;-)

Far from being a private joke, I thought that most of you were expats here, and thus might have at least learned Thai swearing 101... sadly it seems that learning even this tiny amount of Thai is beyond some or is somehow offensive to others. Given that it was one line out of my posts of what 100 lines, I guess that even using karaoke (so that you blokes who haven't installed Thai fonts could read it) is not a good idea.

Fair enough, I apologise.

P.s. Dear Dana - when all you and ya expat mates have left, we'll probably be grovelling for your return right?

Sadly, I think that this argument is probably not going to fly with the current government, given that during a period of increased visa fees, bird flu and early closings... that tourism numbers are up and from next week almost all major hotels will be full occupancy. Tourist spending is up and so are many other bits of the "non-sex tourism" economy - while you may see that Thailand should indeed set itself up as a sex tourist capital for the world, some others would like to see a country with several sectors in the economy, and if this means reducing dependance on the sex tourist bit then so be it. Given that the sex tourism countries competing would be Indo, Vietnam, Cambodia and so forth, logic would suggest that this is not the route to increasing the wealth of the average citizen.

But then again, we all like scorin dem hos for cheap, so let;s all just hope that somehow the economy will crash big time, lots of people won't have food and thus short time will drop back down to 200 baht like the good old days.

kisses

Praying says:

First of all, excuse my bad english.
Well, I'm a young thai girl who goes to highschool in Melbourne,Australia. It's been two years since my parents had sent me here for better education. I have just found this website by chance while I was searching for something else. I of course has heard before that these things between Farang and Thai women (prostitutes or else) does exist, but living in such a small town in Thailand i have neve actually seen one before. I was stunned by most of the contents on this website. It is not overall bad or evil, but some part of it makes me ashamed and sad of being born a thai girl. Some middle-aged men here tried to flirt with me or even persued me into some bad business just by knowing or even guessing that I'm thai. I don't blame you or the whole western man that those things happenned to me. How scary it would be if such things happenned to you if you were 16 and being oversea on you own? I blame it on thai prostitutes ( those who have better choices but choose it becuase of money) and thai women who got married to FArang as an easy solution for a better life. Many times that I have been asked about prostitution in Thailand and why some young thai women married to such old FaRang. Most of the time I was speechless. What could I possibly say? when one of my classmate in Thailand said when she was 14 that she wanted to marry a FaRang. I told them that they were all just poor whores. It was wrong I know, but it was the easiest solution. I know some good thai women who are married to much older FaRangs. One is my mom's closest freind, the other I just met here and she has been extremely kind to me.She's like my family here. I met the second one's FaRang husband. Indeed, I homestayed with them ( It's a kind of full board accomodation in case you don't know) And her husband has such a bad attitude towards Asians and women. I found myself argued with him quite a lot until I moved out. That thai woman works very hard and now own a very successful thai restaurant, but most of the time that man always make it seems as she owe everything to him that she is very lucky having him while indeed she did most of the things by herself that man hardly even moves. I felt very sorry for her that I couldn't take it no more and I moved out. I'm now living with an australian family who hardly have anything to do with Asians and I found their attitude toward us are much better that the man above. I judged that the group of thai women above are to blamed.

Praying says:

I believe as you said that thai education takes us nowhere. We know too many things in the books and too little outside. I came here and found things they're teaching here are the one I 've learnt two years ago. One of my friend is going to vote for the national election next year. She knows nothing about politics. She admires Taksin, but have no idea of what he has done and what he is up to.She doesn't even know which political party he is in. I was terribly furious when I found out that I wanted to kick her right then, but that wouldn't do any good. She's just an example of other ten millions in Thailand. And what can I do with them, I don't know. One thing that you misunderstood is that thai people like philipino are so crazy about FaRang. You guys are like god to them. That's why whitening moisturizer and all those Urasian singers, actor/ actress are so popular in our country. I was one of them before I came here, but I had learnt a lot here and I 've change. My dad was surprised when he saw a FaRang garbo in Melbourne. Why is that? I realized that FARang are just like us. Different, but not always better. Those thai women also believe that you guys are some kind of Zeus. And indeed some of you nearly are. Marrying with you and moving to some other place means she can erase all her social status. No one will treat her badly just because she is from Isaan, no one if she once was a prostitute , no one would care if she is uneducated and is from a very poor famer family. The question is why all of those above matter anyway, why she needs you a god from the different world to come and rescue. It's indeed our society hude disaster that they're trapped in. People judge and are judged unfairly everyday. Once you made a mistake it is bloody hard to get up. Thai society don't give them a chance. For the rich, they go overseas easily, seeking a new beginning, but for those unfortunate people how could they? You guys are the answers. They are not cheating you. I wouldn't say. But love is not the main thing here. It usually comes after anyway, but not in the beginnig if you know what I mean.

praying says:

About Um Patcharapa I agree with comment number two by cynic, which is coincidentally identical with my dad's opinion. I am very ashamed for "THAI MEN" indeed. You are an example of aggressive thai men that suggest me not to marry at all if I am to marry one of them.

With the word FaRang I would like to acknowledge you that it is a very old word. It in fact comes from the word France or French as they are one of the earliest foreigners that came to Siam. People at that time couldn't pronouce France probably. It becomes FaRang and they continued using it to called other foreigners with the same complexion. Since it is a very handy and easy word, it had been passed on to our genaration and we still use it nowadays. We wish there is a word like Asians that you can use to refer to us all.

Thai women can be strong feminists too. Personally, I found no bad in it. It is a very good thing indeed. What I believe is that one values relationship and marriage life differently. You can find the kind of women(or men) who neglect its value or admire it everywhere evenly on this planet earth. Thai women that you refered to must be the one that I hadmentioned above as they see you as a super hero no doubt they would treat you like one.
I don't mind you wishing our economics collasp,because I'm wishing the same to Australian economics as well, so that my mom don't have to send me this much money and things around here would get cheaper. We get a turn,right?

P.S. I am young and inexperienced. Therefore it is possible that I don't know the things I said well enough, but forgive me anyway. It is just my point of view and I hope my comment do us some good.

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

Waxhead,

It is not easy to find out where the irony starts and ends in your comment. But the bullshit is all through it.

Praying,

"I am young and inexperienced" - Don't say that! Wankhead and some of his closer friends might get a heart attack. Thanks for your post anyway, and beware of the Aussies ;-)) It seems that they have the most horrible feminazis in the world, (never been in OZ-Land! I was told...) so you should forgive them if they are too much attracted to you ;-)

Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus

Waxhead says:

Bullshit all through it?!

Well, of course, except for the kiss at the end, that came from the heart.

All the best!!!

Waxhead says:

The reasons for whitening are not so much to emulate farang, but come from a the historical nature of THailand - most laborers had to slave outside, so anyone with fair skin was probably someone rich who got to sit on their phat a$$ as one does when the vassals slave outside.

As Chinese came to Thailand; their beliefs reinforced this notion. Thus - to be white implies power and wealth (i.e. face) and to poor means to be dark -as in lung soo fah nah soo din : a farmeres' saying that their back fights the sun as they face the soil...

The fact that Asia is "white skin mad" in the same way western countries used to be "tan mad" means that there is a HUGE market for whitening creams etc.

Just a thought. No BullSh%t

Cog says:

"The fact that Asia is "white skin mad" in the same way western countries used to be "tan mad" means that there is a HUGE market for whitening creams etc."
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You bring up a poignant cross-cultural similarity between the obsession Thais have for porcelain skin and the desire for the luminous glow of a tanned hide in the West -- that is, the fad is market and consumption driven. However, the comparison fails to consider the underlying motivation for the melanin transformation. Using your allusion to a "historical nature", Thais are "white skin mad" because they are, in essence, escaping a stigma. Note: I've excluded from my sample Thais, notably, elderly and "khun-ying-Hi-So" women, who use whitening creams (e.g. hydroquinone-based) for hyperpigmentation and skin discolorations. Caucasians, on the other hand, enjoy tanning/being tanned primarily for aesthetic reasons.

Sadly, a culture of ignorance feeds upon itself with detrimental consequences -- prejudices and discrimination in one culture, melanoma in the other.

BTW, I find Um's face too elongated for a facial. I prefer big-ass nasal flares and a wider, Neanderthal forehead...bullseye!

Waxhead says:

I understand that a number of African American celebrities also go through whitening processes as well for reasons of vanity.

Sadly the world is just too concerned with appearances.

It should worry more about the dress sense and jewelry aspects - so COG have you given ya ladies a few pearl necklases or what?!

Cog says:

Tongue-in-cheek, dear Waxhead. I've already graduated on to "dotting-the-eyes"...

Waxhead says:

What deviance is this sticking your tongue in her ass cheek?!!!

Why, you young rapscalion!!!

U R a dutch cog?

Cog says:

Does jousting with windmills and a menage a trois with a couple of dykes make me Dutch? ;)

You're probably thinkin' of Dutch "clogs", bro. And, no...I don't wear 'em. I'm Thai, I prefer flip-flops...for all informal and formal occasions. :)

Dean says:

I have had too much scientific training and have read too much of Carl Jung and his ideas of archetypes to ever be a racist!

Being an amateur anthropologist, I believe that the energy from holding detrimental ideas about one or more races that one does not like, can leak into and spoil it for the races that one does like!

Farangs in Thailand only make a surreal scene that much more surreal. The more I travel, I more I see how similar all places are, in that there is a tradition of shamanism in every locale.

I have found Thai people to be amongst the most gracious, cultivated, and kindest people whom I have ever met.

The farangs in Thailand are the most intellectual, friendly, worldly and kindest people whom I have ever met.

I myself, am a multi-mixed breed; a Heinz 57!

Good Luck,

Dean

Waxhead says:

>>The farangs in Thailand are the most intellectual, friendly, worldly and kindest people whom I have ever met.

Each person has their own opinion....certainly many farang here are more worldly than the other farang in their own country who don't have the desire to leave their own country and explore.

However, given the powerhouse universities and cutting edge businesses overseas compared to the VERY questionable value a lot of farang add to businesses here and given that many farang here pursue professions such as teaching english or boiler rooms which aren't usually associated with intellect - given that Thailand could hardly be considered a hotbed of intellectual discussion.... I find it pretty hard to agree on the intellect assertion.

Kind and friendly - well if you define that as paying out cash to a bunch of chicks hanging around Nana Plaza; of figuring out ways to minimise expense to pay some girl for a score; for figuring out ways to scam freebie sex with naive students; for running scams selling bogus shares to naive investors - that this is kindness, well then yes, I suppose many farang here are pretty kind.

For the most part, Khao Sahn road tourists are some of the least travelled - Khao Sahn rd looks like any other backpacker place in the world - the only difference is the price and type of beer. In the same way, some (but certainly not all) of the farang I work with can't speak Thai; don't have any Thai friends; have minimal interest in anything outside NEP and complain nonstop about all the things about Thais that they don't like. They are certainly not friendly to their workers; to Thai people around them and they show little desire to do, eat, or travel to see anything outside what they used to do back home.

Except score chicks cheaply.

So, let's just agree - some farang are all the things you say. Others are a bunch of narrow minded whingers who are just here for the chicks. ;-)

Cog says:

The question of empirical affirmability -- proof is in the mind of the beholder.

Based on his personal experiences, Dean presents two sets of positive assertions that are completely lacking of any supporting evidences -- he's either winding us up, or the long awaited messiah.

Alex says:

She is beautiful. And she isn't so tall she is only 1.70 something and that is not tall so what you wrote about her is wrong- She is beautiul and very sexy

TANAI KWAI says:

Agreed. I like it when someone posts to this thread just so I can enjoy her picture.

In the words of Daniel Carver, a Grand Dragon of the KKK, "WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE!" She is heartbreakingly gorgeous.

(though, as long as we're talking about Chinese girls Shu Qi is a bit more effortless in her sexy allure)

Dana says:

"In the words of Daniel Carver, . . . "--a simply stunning reference. If I had been drinking I might have begun to think you are as smart as me (or is it I?)--ah hell, you figure it out.

waxhead says:

In the words of Winston Churchill as he strode through the carnage after the first of the V2 bombings in London, "aw guv, Dana is a rambler"

Longtime Observer says:

Waxhead, your comments of 22 July are enlightened but incomplete, if only because you do not address the matter of personal values and tastes.

Certainly those who use Thailand as a base of operations for illegal acts are to be condemned and rightly so. And so are those that are willfully abusive of Thai culture.

But the fact remains that spending by sex-tourists on average are equal to or higher than those of straight tourists. The same case can be be made for sexpats vs. other retirees or working farang.

As a matter of personal choice, if one wishes to enjoy a physical pleasure such as sex instead of a visual pleasure such as viewing a temple, who are we to judge this? And one can only play so much golf, after all.

I would argue that the sum of all farang who seek only sex and pay in cash adds more to Thailand as a whole than all the bad teachers and guest workers.

Both groups stimulate the economy to equal degrees through their spending but the "straight" group actually retards development by providing an alternative to training Thais to fill those positions.

Greg says:

Longtime - your statement that expats filling local jobs takes away jobs from locals ignores the fact that the expats often bring in talent that is not available in the local pool. It is too hypothetical to say that locals would learn the skills and fill the positions - where are they going to learn to speak English fluently? By going overseas? Can enough afford to do so? Practial matters are different from theoretical - any developing country gets a boost by importing technologies and talent, just as any developed country gets a boost by importing cheap labor and brain draining the brightest from other countries.

Greg says:

Nice Pic!! I'd like to call her Daughter.

Longtime Observer says:

Greg, we may debate endlessly various strategies for development and modernization. But suffice it to say I favor an approach which forces self-reliance from local resources. There might be short-term disadvantages, but I believe the mid- and long-term benefits are higher.

Foreign language instruction is a special case, of course, and I have met Thais equally mistaught by unqualified Thai instructors and unqualified farang instructors, as well as self-taught Thais with language skills superior to both.

As for the other jobs, I can only offer you a twist on an old parable: if you sell a man a fish he will eat for a day, but if you teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime.

Reliance on foreign expertise is the surest way to perpetuate the need for foreign expertise.

Of course we are speaking of feudal Thailand where headcount and money spent count for more than actual productivity, and self-reliance is a threat to the power structure. The ruling class best ensure their own survival by bringing in foreign talent for the brainwork while keeping the locals concerned with farming, basket weaving and authoring blowjobs.

Greg says:

Yes, I agree that teaching English is a special exception that undermines your argument with your counter argument. Teaching someone to fish is better than giving fish, and the teaching itself has to start with outside help. It will take quite a long time before there are qualified local teachers, and quite possibly it will never change that a well trained native English speaker will be superior to a well trained English as a second language teacher.

The same argument can be made for other trades and technologies that are simply currently not available here. The US for instance has learned much from Japanese management and manufacture techniques.

waxhead says:

>>But the fact remains that spending by sex-tourists on average are equal to or higher than those of straight tourists. The same case can be be made for sexpats vs. other retirees or working farang.

I am curious where you get this number. In one of the business areas I work in, spending per tourist is a key driver for our business, and the number 1 nationality for spending are Indians - almost all coming over as couples or families. They spend (if I can recall the numbers correctly) about 4700b a day compared to westerners (i.e. who you are talking about) who average around 3500b a day total. Australians and Americans are not particularly high spenders, incidentally. TAT publishes all this stuff. Our own measurement systems show that single farang men are a time waste target 'cause they don't spend anything - of course we are just one sector of the Bangkok retail economy - the same men may save their money for (ahem) NEP and drop far more there!!

I don't believe that farang here are bad guys at all - I just don't think that I would describe them as a great bunch of blokes better than what you'd find somewhere else which is what I responded to on the 22nd.

At the end of the day; I'll do Um - but I think her dodgy boyfriend might thump me, so in the meantime I shall stick to someone much cuter....Sakowjai for instance ;-)

khun willie says:

IF YOU GO PATTAYA A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE FUN GO TO SO7 BUBPHA BAR ALL THE GIRLS ARE NICE EXCEPT ON THIS GIL KUNG IS CROCIDLE SO BEWARE OF

dick_the_plik says:

RACISM & Thais' - huh !!

Look what the European union is doing regarding Turkey's entry into this union. The big problem here is that Turkey is a muslim nation and is therefore unacceptable to the predominantly Christian union. This is definitely racism , with a pseudo religous overtone.

Look what Aussies do to Chinese in Aussie land. Isn't this racism ? To be sure, the Chinese are also racist, as is, to a degree, almost every
nation on this planet.
Having worked and lived in several countries in Europe, the middle east and in Asia, I've found the Thais' to be some of the friendliest and most tolerant of people that I've come across.

True, the Thais' like fair skin - which I don't - but, I do believe that such preference is in some way related to wealth, rather than skin tone. Remember that the Chinese , who happen to be fair skinned, are also the wealthiest community in Thailand.

Which nation on earth , other than Thailand, would accept the sort of people that one sees at farang hangouts in NEP, soi Cowboy and in Pataya?

You Stupid Fuckhead says:

Stop objectifying women. Imagine your mom's face, or you sister's face in all these things you print and publicize. Or maybe you didn't have any.

Kairy says:

oh my!! what the hell?
what kind of post is this...

Lady Aum is just one of the millions thai/asian beauty.. and don't think that thai womens think that the ideal beauty is to look like farang.. it's not to have white farang skin, but to have a sweet smooth white color skin, like old chinese and asian culture.. white is for rich/divin/high people and black is the color of slave/low people rank.. this is one of ideal asian beauty..

and it's not too look like britnes spear, jennifer lopez,.. ^^'

Aum is Aum, thai is thai, farang is farang, she born like that and she still want to be like that no need for her to be farang.. she don't suck! and she can't suck!!

look like a lot of people don't know what thai and other asian ideal beauty is.. but that's cool the fact that they don't know or understand it, this will make me more happy...yeahh

what is the ideal beauty for occidental or farang men/women?
to get a black skin?

ahh.. just for precision, Aum is not 100% thai, she look like more chinese than thai.. but she's born in thailand.
90% of the elite in thailand have chinese blood

... says:

I have nothing against pretty girls who have dark skin and look beautiful in their own race-unique features.

however, to the author, the fact that you describe aum the way you do, as a farang, just further cements my stereotype on farang taste. and it isn't good.

Ackel says:

I came across this site whilst looking for track listings for a ZaZa album I bought. And I couldn't stop reading.

And here I am now writing a post!

It's sad that when people get angry they tend to generalise so much.

People have different tastes. That's fine. But if you don't like someone, that doesn't automatically mean that they're inferior.

To claim that all people of such and such a race are racist is ignorant, and the words "pot", "kettle", and "black" come to mind. Not all Thai men prefer tall, pale girls. Not all farangs prefer the opposite. Some do.

There may be something in the argument that the unfamiliar has appeal, but several studies of beauty have actually concluded that the most "average" features - in the sense of the most "in the middle" of millions of possible features - tend to be the ones most accepted as beautiful, by most nationalities. Is Um average in this sense? She's certainly beautiful - as are many of the small, dark-skinned women I meet here in Isaan, which might seem contradictory, but I think isn't. If these two points about beauty can both be true, then we should perhaps accept and even welcome diversity of opinion.

Speaking personally, as a farang who has been to Thailand perhaps 20 times and only slept with one Thai in my life (after courting her for five months), I object to the comment that sex is the sole motive for farangs to come here. I came here because I like good people, and met many when visiting family here. Yes, I of course wanted a partner, and most women round here happen to be Thai. As for my taste in women? I've had three European girlfriends, a black girlfriend, a very pale Chinese-looking girlfriend and now I have a short, dark, Thai girlfriend, whom I hope to marry. All of them beautiful, so far as I was concerned. Lucky for me, all of them jai-dii.

And no, I'm not here because I couldn't get a good job back home, as Thai Man suggests. I quit a $110,000 p.a. job back home because I was sick of doing stuff that didn't directly contribute to the wellbeing of others. Perhaps what I've done since moving here has only helped a few people - but that still makes me happy. And no, I'm not, I hope, not some kind of patronising cultural imperialist. I take Longtime Observer's point that "Reliance on foreign expertise is the surest way to perpetuate the need for foreign expertise." I have many problems with the "development community" both in Isaan and Laos, where I have also worked. I try to give people tools to do their own thing, and to pass on a few very specific skills that I have acquired through my good fortune. I have no say in what people do with those tools.

I'm also, I admit it, doing some work in the language-teaching sphere: I'm collaborating on the production of what we hope to be a decent English language textbook. It's "creative commons" (i.e. reproduction permitted without fee). This means, simply, if it's not good, people won't use it. It's up to them.

The same goes for offering vocational skills to bar girls. If they choose not to go for a "respectable" job - because they can earn more (often for their families) from sex, or because they enjoy a party-hard lifestyle - that's their decision. Just as it's the Thai government (and tourist board's) decision whether or not to passively endorse the "sexy" connotation of Thailand which attracts single male tourists. Cash, so often, rules.

This fact, and the fact that I try, both at work and without, to be naam-jai without fully understanding Thai culture, means I've been ripped off by a few people. Does that make me hate Thais? No, it makes me consider what money can do. And I'd rather be ripped off by 10 people less fortunate than me than by one rich bastard back "home".

One thing some of the people I've worked with here have taught me is not to stereotype people. I meet plenty of farangs who are here just to buy sex. I used to get really sick with them and exasperated with the Thai (and Lao) girls who went down that route. I wondered if Thailand really should close its doors a little to discourage "the wrong type of people". But I talked to some of the women, and they said, in effect, "who are you to judge who is the 'right type of person'?". Each person has good and bad within them, and good and bad motives for everything they do. Often these farangs are frustrated or bitter. Often they fall in love. Often they treat the girls well. Often they don't. Same goes for the girls. Motives can be complex.

Which brings me back to the cliche about Asians liking pale skin and farangs liking tanned skin. The motives of this are complex and not necessarily racist (i.e. fear/hatred of the different). As has been pointed out already, skin tone can be generalised as a measure of wealth - with the opposite conclusions in cold vs hot climates. And wealth is more often than not thanks to an accident of birth, rather than some sign of personal excellence. I know plenty of rich, lucky people from Thailand or Europe or wherever who are by no means excellent people. Some may look nice on first appearance, but they'll soon turn ugly in your eyes if they've got no grace inside.

Accept people, and they'll often turn show beauty in some way.

Sorry about the long post.

Dicer says:

"This fact, and the fact that I try, both at work and without, to be naam-jai without fully understanding Thai culture, means I've been ripped off by a few people. Does that make me hate Thais? No, it makes me consider what money can do. And I'd rather be ripped off by 10 people less fortunate than me than by one rich bastard back "home". " - Ackel

Ackel, you went ok until the point where you started to rationalise by saying that you'd "rather be ripped off by 10 people less fortunate than me than by one rich bastard back home". There is an element of denial there too. People always correct something they find wrong by getting into this relative-comparative frame of mind. It is a survival mechanism at best and revelatory. You have connected your being ripped off precisely to the situation where you do not "fully understanding Thai culture." This is an incentive to find out and learn more perhaps? Obviously the more you learn and integrate your experiences in Thailand into your worldview the better the outcome. Now I don't mean just about language here. I've met individuals who speak fluent Thai and read the local paper everyday but are clueless when it comes to finer subtler things like revealing dissembled motives. For instance, I knew a foreign lecturer at a university who has been here 25 years, has local wife and kids and has an unusually high IQ. But when a colleague points out to him, for instance, that after class the students should wait until he leaves rather than shove him aside and walk out he goes into a "I am a jolly informal western fellow" mode thereby missing the point entirely. This is Thailand and in Thailand a teacher who invites this kind of behaviour from students is allowing massive disrespect to his person and office and by doing so jeopardises his position. That is how it is perceived all round. Now whose reality reigns supreme here? Their collectively shared one or the one he has brought with him from back "home"? So while I totally agree with you when you connected the dots of lack of awareness to being ripped off I think using an unrelated non-topic situation to make that look ok is a trap. A trap because it can end up repeating itself.

"Each person has good and bad within them, and good and bad motives for everything they do. " - Ackel

They say this and this is a very Buddhist way of looking at things where it's fifty-fifty, half good and half evil. It is up to the individual to attain goodness. Which means mainstream culture and a Buddhist outlook (not to mention peasant animist tradition) has endowed them with an amoral nature, at least from a Christian or Western point of view. This is baffling and hard to stomach for some western people. Very liberating for others. Your attitude - or dilemma - towards prostitution is a case in point.

Anyway sounds like you're doing good stuff.

OnTheFence says:

Ive got to say that this is possibly the longest thread i have ever read. Its been entertaining, humourous and informative. All of which has spread out over a 3 year period !

My opinion (if its worth anything at all) is that Patcharapa is quite a pretty young thing but like wine it all boils down to personal taste. Some people will tell you that they prefer red to white. Some might say they prefer a Merlot to a Burgundy. The point i'm trying to make is I see it very much as "horses for courses / each to their own" and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Somewhere along the line this thread went off at various tangents, all of which made me continue to scroll down to the bottom with keen interest.
The beauty of these things is the everyone gets the chance to speak and be heard without fear of being cut off.
So, having said that, my two pennies worth goes like this. A few have complained of farangs only visiting the land of smiles to sample the "local delicacies". Yes, while this may not be true for all of us it does happen nevertheless. But, if the dishes are on the menu, some, not all, may be tempted to try them. Take them off and not only will you not be able to blame farangs for their mis-spent holiday money but you may even clean up your streets and public opinion. Sounds like a priceless doctorine for any political party looking to take over from a militarily run regime? Of course, I dont have to mention the down side to having so many thousands (probably) of young pretty girls out of work, who have no way of supporting the families back home and have no concept or no wish of actually having to find a real job for a small percentage of the salary the might have had the opportunity to make otherwise.

Its a shame, its a bit harsh, but true.

jana says:

geez...I can't believe i am seeing all this rude comment from human.

Look!! no matter if Um is pretty in your eye or not, just keep it to yourself. Why is it that you guys are telling us what us asain should look like.Like if you are not asain, please don't jugde us and how our taste is because we ARE asain.I think we would know what is beautiful or not.You that ain't asain have that looks that is totally differrent from us so it is understandable that u would look for girls that is tanner but you can not say that our way of thinking is bad.
You say that we are racist..but I think you realy should look back at yourself.Sure, we are too a group of racist people,but do you realy think you are any better than us??
hahaha....you guys are racist from the point that you call us "asain" and all those saying about our small eyes.
hey...no offence..but this is realy our bussiness and you are crossing the line.
Um is a Thai actress.She is in thailand.We like her,that is why she is an actress.If she is in America and get to be in hollywood and got voted to be the sexist in hollywood then maybe you have the right to conplain.But noooo she is NOT in hollywood.So I wouldn't talk if i wasn't an asain.If i were you i would mind my own bussiness and not jugding girls on how they looks and how guys should look at them because everyone have their own taste."Respect" is the Big word.

JANA says:

ohh i wanna say somthing about Mr david.

Farrrr out!! you sounds like a pervert!! like you would know everything><"why don't you look what ur ass! maybe ypu would be more happy..

oh if ya going to say anything back then go ahead! show everyone how much of a gentlemen you are.I don't think you are anyway from the way you were talking about P'um