Mot quits Nana Plaza for porn stardom

mr peter says:

I'm not sure what the point of this article is, but thanks for the link. Can we all send in pics of old bar girls we have known?-peter

Prorogue says:

I used to pine in a corner of Rainbow when my advances were deflected by Mot. Even my cash wasn't good enough. So beautiful, so sad.

I want to read Prozac nation and Sylvia Plath to feel alive again.

David says:

Sorry, Mr Peter, but I'm afraid that I don't have the creativity to dream up a serious point each time I post a picture of a pretty girl. Frustratingly, only a tiny minority of them work as honorary UN ambassadors.

You're more than welcome to send me a photo of your favourite bar girl - so long as she's a perfect 10 and currently works as a porn star. An inbox full of mingers could spoil my breakfast.

Jules says:

Yeah, pretty enough.

Bangkok is a hard place and as one pretty young thing with perfect bone structure, smooth white skin and pert breasts gets mown down, another one appears.

Good luck to her, she is soiled goods so no self respecting Thai man will take her on.

Better to make a few bucks in skin flicks while she still can and then work a beer bar until she crawls off to die.

Sorry, no sympathy here. A harder path to tread is one of hard work and morality. Just having a car wreck and having to sell your pussy to get by is not enough to elicit my sympathy.

Dana says:

I'm with Jules and I don't feel good saying it. Few of us get to live a life of plucking pearls out of oyster shells. But we suck it up and perservere. That is why the expression 'unsung heros'. Many people could tell stories of hardship and degradation and misery and rejection that exceed a car accident. She is lazy and stupid. No sympathy here.

OXO says:

I am trying to find the part where she is soliciting for sympathy, which brought forth the fire & brimstone from you & your friend Dana, Jules.

ìA harder path to tread is one of hard work and morality. Better to make a few bucks in skin flicks while she still can and then work a beer bar until she crawls off to dieî=JULES

Wow-- I must have missed something here, all David said was ìSadly, just twenty-four hours after this photo was taken, Mot was hit by a car and seriously injured.î And alsoÖîthat---(apparently) Mot was a genuinely nice personî
The hat isn't being passed around, you two can both relax & put the tambourin back into the cupboard, & she is still perusing work in the trade she chose.

That is until she see's the light & joins you & Dana on that harder path to morality.

Praise the Lord

.

Niall says:

I'd fuck her...

not sure says:

I think I did!

Niall says:

Bastard.

Anyone got her phone number?

Mr White says:

Are you sure that "Vivian Lin" is the same girl? She certainly looks different.
Maybe somebody who engaged her services can verify it from her tatoo (or other available information) on display on the site listed?

Gurst says:

It sounds like Jim has already verified. There's no fooling "Lychee On Her".

Ernesto Ortega would love to say he did a porn star.

JULES says:

Show some pictures of ladyboys not chicks.I like cock

KDub says:

So Jules, what happens when you bring your ladyboy home and discover the doctor has ruined him with the knife? Shouldn't we have seperate terms for ladyboys pre and post op?

KDub says:

"Mot is the prettiest girl he's ever seen and a genuinely nice person too - an unlikely combination which probably makes her unique."

One of the beautiful things about Thai women. Unique if it were in the west, not so in Thailand, from my experience.

Combover says:

Maybe I'm just being lazy but what search engines did you use to bring up pictures of "Vivian Lin" - porn star?

A cursory look on google revealed little. Even scrolling to pages 6-8 and further revealed no "Lin sex Cunt Incest Vivian gaping sperma bitch blah blah blah" references. Frankly, even mangosauce didn't arise in the search.

I was shocked.

Mind you, give it a couple of days for that to happen.

I'm sticking to Luci/y Thai.

Combover says:

Nope Mr White - I have to disagree, Her jawline is v. similar. And 60 visit Jim clearly knows his onions. Probably recognised the girl from her tatts.

That's happened to me in the past actually. The beautiful girl I thought I recognised, who was being hammered in a 30 second internet clip by a couple of well hung Americans (sans nodders I hasten to add, for all those who think Dirty Nigel & Eddy are somehow freakish), revealed herself to me by her distinctive chest tattoo and the decor of the rooms in the Penthouse Hotel Pattaya, the environs of which (when I met her) were very clearly her Manor.

Plus she gave her name away (L*k) in the vid so that sealed it.

Anyway - nothing to worry about in L*k's case on the STD front because I got ridiculously stoned back at the ranch and she fell asleep in disgust.

Doh!

Tirak Ja says:

She looks nice. Why are a couple of you guys so bitter?

BGs are BGs and they are just working their trade. I really like them and have never had a bad time. In fact I have always felt better after a night with a BG (even if she takes a call) than with most Farang women. At least with the BG any rational man should know the way it is laid out. If you're done pay the Baht and on you go.

Actually and all joking aside I was touched by her statement and concern for work. Since I've walked those streets to the bars before, I know life there can be precarious for anyone without a consistent income.

Anyway she looks sweet and I am an unabashed BG supporter. Just my thoughts...

TANAI KWAI says:

I'm with you Tirak Ja. These girls can't get paid enough for what they do or for the joy they bring. I honor their profession and wish them all love, health and riches (in whatever order they prefer).

(takes all kinds)

usvirgin says:

Well, I've done my own investigation, and it seems to me she's doing rather well for herself.

Why drag someone down, just because of her past?

http://ling.wisc.edu/vlin/

Gurst says:

Being a cunning linguist myself, I can say she is good at what she does. Make-up and airbrushing can do wonders.

usvirgin says:

I think the folks in Madison are pretty fortunate to have her. As they say, 'You can take the girl out of the bar..."

Bento Box says:

Jules and Dana, congratulations, you are now the high cunts of Mangosauce.

She's a nice looking chick, just enjoy the view and shut the fuck up, since you both know that even in Thailand, some things are just out of your reach.

Dana says:

Yeah, Bento Box; she's out of my reach. By the way, have you ever actually deplaned at Don Muang and taken a taxi into town? I could spot something better than her in 5 minutes in Foodland on the arm of a long term expat big bellied German.
Just say "Pass the bong" Mr. Box--all water finds it's level and that's yours.

same ol thong says:

i have a question. why do thai women not wear thongs? seriously. they are all into their ultra-tight jeans, skirts, dresses, everything. then they have the kind of VPL that you could use as a canal. it's not like they don't have the bodies.

Jules - The Real One says:

Bento Box,

So I am a "high cunt"?

And I should "shut the fuck up, since you know that some things are just out of your reach."

Why, for stating the obvious? These girls are not eliciting my sympathy because I know it is the lazy way out.

No excuses, no "it is so hard to find a good job that pays as much when she has no education" will change the fact that selling her pussy in Nana is just plain easier than working in a shop or factory or having to make an effort.

That they can also find men like yourself who worship them just makes their life so easy.

Play with your Nana friends all you want. I hope you find a pretty one like Mot who will be kind to you.

One day you may see in Dana's postings some hard core truth about Nana girls. Dana has more sympathy and empathy with these ladies than most but he is not blinded as to their nature by a pretty face or a nice arse.

Grow up a little bit. None of these girls are outside the reach of a man with a few thousand baht. When they grow old you will shudder when you see them in the bar beer that they are relegated to.

I will keep my sympathy for the hard working and the truly unfortunate.

TANAI KWAI says:

"No excuses, no 'it is so hard to find a good job that pays as much when she has no education' will change the fact that selling her pussy in Nana is just plain easier than working in a shop or factory or having to make an effort."

I guess I don't begrudge some beautiful bargirl (or model) making a living by virtue of that beauty. Or some ugly bargirl making a living by virtue of her accomodating manner. Nor do I begrudge a brilliant person the right to make a living by doing that which comes easily to her. Or a natural athelete being paid a fortune to do something he would do for free.

There are costs and risks associated with every profession. The bargirl runs the gauntlet of disease, addiction and emotional devastation. Her society spits on her, though it needs her to perform her function... And the career itself is fleeting, and often followed by devastating loss of face and economic uncertainty. The benefits of hooking? Relative leisure... Nights of carefree drunkenness... The chance to be whisked away and perhaps cared for by a rich man... Perhaps even the opportunity to put siblings through school. (Or maybe just the freedom to dress like a fashionable young woman and to transcend her identity as an impoverished farm girl.)

To compare and contrast, for the hardworking business executive, for example, the costs and risks might include a youth consumed by perhaps 20 years of nose-to-the-grindstone academic drudgery... For many, longterm corporate slavery follows... Along with stress and high blood pressure... And failed marriages. But the benefits include stability, wealth and the ability to hold one's head high in a society over which you exert a degree of influence and control.

Anyway.

(all comes out in the wash)

Tirak Ja says:

Jules,

I have been looking into living in Thailand since last year. I am an American and have lived abroad before. Here are a couple of things I quickly learned about BG economics:

1) The average annual income in Thailand appears to be $7800. In some tourist areas I've come to the conclusion that female office workers average only about 6000 Baht/Month
2) Thai labor law allows discrimination based on age.
3) A woman's employment prospects over 30 decreases rapidly as she approaches 40.
4) Young women with good jobs are displaced as soon as they show a sign of age.
4) Working in factories and the garment industry pays less than office work but is more readily available to women.
5) Free Public education in Thailand ends after 6 years for most Thais. After 6 years many have to quit school and work. Many BGs send their Baht home so that younger siblings can continue to attend school. Many a Farang money transfer to our nubile friends goes to support her family. Not making a judgment about that here, just laying it out.

You sound to me a little like some American women I know who think Asian prostitution is so bad and want to save the women. In your case you just seem to have some sort of harsh moral judgment against the BGs. Love to see you make it without a western safety net. Remember education past 6th grade counts against you claiming no advantage.

The mingers want the BGs out of the bars and nana but don't have a fucking clue of what they'll have them do when they shut down the only paying gig most of them can get outside of a sweatshop or the fields.

I'm interested Mr. Scrooge, what are your plans for our under educated BG friends. Perhaps you should raise your issues by participating in demonstration against government policies. Thaksin I understand loves to have Farangs lecture him about Thai social problems and restructuring. I'm sure he will reward your efforts with free room and board for the foreseeable future. :-)

Or perhaps you could open a free university to reeducate the girls.

Failing that please consider the benefits you have enjoyed in the west.

In my case I am a "self made" man. What I have I have because I made it; education, property and career. This was really only possible because the country I grew up in allowed me to easily reach my goals and supported me every step of the way. This just isn't possible for most Thais, especially Thai females.

Work ethic is great but is not sufficient to elevate the average Thai or any other person. Finally lest you think I am a screaming socialist I am a registered Republican so I'm big on personal responsibility. I feel strongly that the BGs are underappreciated for what they do and much maligned. They are in a tight spot and have been courageous and I thank them for their efforts.

Why is it people are so critcal of the pleasure two consenting adults can give one another? Boxing is shown on TV in almost every country I have been to but sex is almost always banned. Interesting isn't it? Think of what you pay to attend a sporting event in the West and enjoy a few pints. Fo rth esame money you could have two girls more beer and a very good time in the LOS.

Why malign the BGs and the Nana girls? Who are they hurting?

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

First of all it is not a profession. These girls are renting their bodies, they are not dentists.

You also made a reference to "impoverished farm girls" a common misconception that this is a job solely for the poor, the unfortunate, the uneducated, those deserving of our largesse.

I beg to differ on this point. Whilst Nana and Cowboy have a preponderance of ladies from less prosperous parts of Thailand they are not homogenous. Some are university graduates for instance.

I come back to my original point. "Sorry, no sympathy here. A harder path to tread is one of hard work and morality. Just having a car wreck and having to sell your pussy to get by is not enough to elicit my sympathy."

I have sympathy for those who tread that path as it is not easy.

Tirak Ja says:

Tanai Kwai you have said pretty much the same thing I believe you just laid it out better than I would have. It is spot on as the UK guys say.

Tirak Ja says:

Jules,

How old are you? Have you travelled outside of BKK & Pattya?

As for the Univerity girls. I met one the last time I was in BKK. She was a skittish young woman and I suspected at the time for all the reasons Tanai Kwai said above. She will make more working in the bar, who knows all her reasons though.

Last year when I was in Phuket I met great Tuk Tuk driver he and his wife and baby drove in his tuk tuk around the island looking for fares. I know no mercy for tuk tuk guys either tough guy, but hang on just a moment. The guy makes more as a tuk tuk driver in thailand than he can make with is engineering degree. Do you think for a minute that he is prouder to be a tuk tuk driver than an engineer?

Nobody cares for our sympathy really though, whether we think they deserve it or not.

Jules - The Real One says:

Tirak Ja,

"I have been looking into living in Thailand since last year. I am an American and have lived abroad before."

So you don't live here?????

People live in Thailand and get by on "low" wages. Thailand is a third world country and the average income is not very high, so what? Bars are not "the only paying gig" other than "sweatshops or the fields". They can also work in offices, petrol stations, travel agents, supermarkets, banks, ice cream kiosks or any other place they want to.

What is it with farang that they find the thought of sewing shirts or planting rice so abhorrent? These are jobs which pay the rent and feed the family, it is work.

Thais are proud people with a Buddhist tradition. I respect the ones who have raised their families, cared for their parents, been true to their friends, community and religion and lived normal, morally upstanding lives. I have met many Thais who lead their lives by strict moral codes.

Why do you assume because I can find little sympathy for bargirls that I am against sex? Is it because you associate sex with bargirls and only bargirls?

I have nothing against bargirls or those who patronise them but please, I cannot find sympathy for a GG who had a car wreck and ended up in porn movies.

There are other fresher chickens who will take her place at the bar and you will still get your fun.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules,

"First of all it is not a profession. These girls are renting their bodies, they are not dentists."

By your standard, waitressing is not a profession. These girls are just renting their bodies to carry food to and fro. Indeed, dentistry is barely a profession, as these dentists are merely renting their expertise on an hourly basis because they provide a commodified service society desires.

"You also made a reference to "impoverished farm girls" a common misconception..."

As you will note from my clumsy, repetitive and uninspired use of the word "perhaps" I was not suggesting that every bar girl is necessarily impoverished, as such, any more than Ivanka Trump, a former model, is impoverished. My real point is that I don't begrudge these women the right to benefit from their natural attributes.

"I have sympathy for those who tread that path as it is not easy."

I guess I'm wired differently. I sense that every human experience has difficulties and challenges worthy of sympathy.

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Jules - The Real One says:

Tirak Ja,

You have been here as a tourist???

You have seen BKK and Phuket??

You want to move here???

I can only suggest that if you see a bit more of Thailand and live here for more than say 5 or 6 years that you will better understand girls like Mot.

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

Waitressing is not a profession either. It is a job.

Farangutan says:

I'm going out this afternoon to get a t-shirt printed that says "I'm with TK".

There definitely seems to be two camps that you can fall into here, and no grey area.

You either regard the bg's as

a) stupid sluts who make their own choices and should be treated accordingly (read poorly), or

b) you look at them with kindness, compassion and understanding regardless of whether the choices they've made in life match your own codes of morality.

I fall into the latter. So does TK. Guys like Jules and Dana don't. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground/grey area here.

Like talking politics or masturbating with a cheesegrater, this argument can be mildly amusing but ultimately pointless.

TANAI KWAI says:

Very well. Waitressing is merely a job or occupation. But the term "profession" has been used loosely enough to account for some ambiguity. Is Andre 3000 of Outkast a professional? He has had no formal musical training. But he just won a Grammy Award.

If some of these bargirls aren't "professionals" I don't want to meet one.

(Then there are sex surrogates, who may have had loads of specialized training and education, but basically just fuck their clients.)

Farangutan says:

PS - Jules, Dana - I'm not passing judgement on you, you're entitled to youtr opinions and beliefs, I'm merely making an observation. I have no interest in getting into a "who's right or wrong" here.

Anonymous says:

FG,

What makes you think that Dana does not have kindness, compassion or understanding for BGs??

If you care to read his posts and volumes of works on the Internet you may start to believe as I do that he has considerable experience of these ladies and is a Type 2 person.

As for myself I have understanding of these ladies collected over the years and I treat them with compassion and kindness when I meet them. I do not insult them, denigrate them or make them feel uncomfortable.

But feeling sympathy for Mot's "predicament"???

You must be joking surely. There are far less fortunate people in Thailand.

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

A profession is a paid occupation involving training and a formal qualification.

To call a waitress or a prostitute a profesional is incorrect and galling to those who do indeed train and study and gain qualifications and pursue professional ethics of standards and behaviour.

Farangutan says:

read the 5th post from the top:

"She is lazy and stupid. No sympathy here."
- Dana.

Doesn't sound like a lot of kindness and compassion going on there does it?

Tirak Ja says:

Well Jules, no I don't only associate sex with BGs. It is just that that is what they do. I love women in general. Whether you accept what I say or not I have no trouble finding female company. Among "proper girls" the exchange just works a little differently. BGs just take all the bullshit out of things. I still like other girls.

Anyway do you always eat at the same restaurant? Do you hate the "new place" because it has a different menu or lacks a stuffy atmosphere?

As for the whole Thai Buddha thing you reference what does it mean? Some ramble about strict moral lives. What moral things are you talking about in particular? Selling their girls for buffalo, tolerating government corruption and cronyism? Pray tell so that I can meet these saints of yours. I am clearly stumbling in darkness...

Take a moment to read the area's history "strict" Buddhists can be naughty too. In fact I have to say I've certainly had more carefree carnal fun in Buddhist countries than anywhere else free or for hire.

Asian cultures don't have nearly as many hang-ups about sexual acts as western countries. I will grant you though that your moral purists and many "respectful" Thais look down at prostitutes, but like you seem ready to use them quickly enough, and everyone knows it. I am not passing judgment here, just the facts ma'am...

Thais don't like making shirts for NIKE anymore than anyone else. My cousin is the operation's manager for one of the largest retailers in the US. Guess what sparky, the Thais, Burmese, Chinese, Vietnamese, or Cambodians don't like working in garment factories. I think you may have been watching too many Soviet workers' paradise films.

Just a side note, I was once with this hooker in Germany and asked her why she worked in "The Wall" and not anywhere else. Many she was a good lay...anyway I digress...she told me. "Simple my family doesn't have a lot of money, and I cannot go to University so it is either this or the factory and I make more doing this." Where's the harm Jules? Why should she rate any less in this world than the Indian guy who works on my car, or the little Texan in the White House? Tell me why you are in a position to pass judgment on her, what makes you or me better?

Thanks for the talk though. I have to get to bed, early meetings again tomorrow. Just for the record I don't think my pristine job in a big multinational software company makes me a better human being than a BG, dumb fate and probablity has just left me in a different place. In my mind you and I are just going through the motions, it is our DNA that is calling the shots and will survive whether that's in a hooker or a saint, just doesn't matter as far as life is concerned.

Veg says:

Grouping all the working girls under the term 'BG' is a step bad enough, but to further pass judgement (either moral or ethical or less, Dana, Jules) on their existence(s) is in itself, immoral and unethical.

Veg

Jules - The Real One says:

FG,

I can only suggest that you read his collected works, if you have a few weeks, and form your own opinion.

TANAI KWAI says:

"A profession is a paid occupation involving training and a formal qualification."

Yes, Jules, I acknowledge this above, and point out the limitations of this ossified definition in our modern world.

"To call a waitress or a prostitute a profesional is incorrect and galling to those who do indeed train and study and gain qualifications and pursue professional ethics of standards and behaviour."

As an exalted and exulted professional, I am not particularly galled. Indeed, I have met women in this "oldest profession" (sorry) I am proud to call friends and associates. They are more loving and decent and human and humane than many of my colleagues, and their ethics, standards and behavior are sans pareil (except for the whoring part, of course).

As Farangutan indicates, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the general topic. And as to the defintional issue of what a "profession" is, by old school standards anyway, you have the better of the argument.

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Jules - The Real One says:

Tirak,

I hope you do come to live in Thailand. Perhaps then you will find out more about Thai people and their ways and will find Thais who are moral people. Many people in Thailand are.

Bento Box says:

A leaf flutters past
Is it a professional?...
Just ask Jules, he knows

Farangutan says:

jules, I have read a bit of his stuff, and was somewhat surprised by his comment above.

I have formed an opinion already - you just don't agree with it - I have no problem with that.

Jules says:

Bento Box,

More ramblings?

slapman jim says:

to US VIRGIN, hi, it's jim here, the guy who took the photo of mot, well done on the search, if you knew her as well as i do/did you would know that she works under several names on several different porn sites, ie PETCHARA on asian4you.com. i was the one who made that thaitemptations2000 poster/calendar in case you saw it, if not contact me and i will send you a copy as i have some left. i've burned down thousands of mostly beautiful girls in LOS and only one other came close to her. did anyone ever see "ROSE" at plaza entertainment ?.

Jules - The Real One says:

Veg,

You are also rambling. no one has done any of those things. If you like prostitutes, bar girls, ladies of the night, streetwalkers whatever then good luck to you. If this works for you then good luck to you.

Mot has taken the easy path and good luck to her. I have not accused the girl of being immoral, just hinted that she is not pursuing a moral life.

Good luck to Tanai and his proud association with prostitutes.

Sorry, no sympathy here for Mot. A harder path to tread is one of hard work and morality. Just having a car wreck and having to sell your pussy to get by is not enough to elicit my sympathy.

waxhead says:

Oh dear, it seems that to some working in a factory is indeed abhorent and thus one can easily understand that women should want to be hookers.

So would you like all the other people who work in factories to sell themselves too?! Is it really that bad?

Obviously, some of you have spoken to what, 1 tuk tuk driver who has an engineer qualification; probably like 2 girls with a uni degree then you think you know Thailand.

In the words of the bishop to the king, "fuck off dumb kunt aye"

Plenty of women working in my office aren't in their 20s and every single one makes over 18,000b a month. Even the maid makes 12,000b a month and she has no high school!

The guys working directly in the factory in that awful work earn 8,000b minimum up to about 20,000 for the supervisors. The engineer here earns 42,000b but of course he is under 30 years old.

And the cost of living is like about 3 times lower than most of the places you blokes live, so it isn't so expensive.

Different in the provinces... life is tougher. But the reality is anyone who says being a farmer or factory worker sucks so much that hooking is better is full of shit. An honest day's work carries no burden.

The fact that so many of the girls working in the bars are drug addicts, drinkers and smokers show how tough that profession really is.

So there.

Jules - The Real One says:

Waxhead,

Some useful comments there.

Why are you paying everyone so much? My staff would move tomorrow if they knew your people got that much.

You are quite right though, it is perfectly possible to hold down a regular job in Thailand, in a factory, shop, office or construction site and get by on the pay.

Oh sorry, did I say construction site? Up to 20 per cent of the workforce on sites are female. Pay varies but can be around 200 Baht/day for the ladies, more for the men. A couple could be bringing in 500 to 550 Baht per day and living in the camp.

Out of the 10m+ women and children of age 15-29 about 200,000 to 300,000 by some estimates are actively engaged in the sex industry. The average pay in a beer bar or go go including all the extra services or similair is suggested by some to be between 20,000 and 50,000/mth. Some people, heaven forbid myself, may suggest this is not a highly moral business.

So do you take the easy path and the easy money or the harder path of hard work and morality?

If you suggest the easy path (as Tanai and Tirak do) then have you or would you be willing to trade places with the girls and rent your body?

Comments please.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules TR1,

I seem to recall suggesting that we agree we are at an impasse on this one. Anyone so comfortable with phrases like "hard work and morality" is not going to convince me, nor I them, of much of anything.

"Good luck to Tanai and his proud association with prostitutes."

Since you are acting like a bit of a stiff prig in your defense of morality, I will reply in kind: Thanks for your good wishes.

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Tirak Ja says:

Yeah I give up too, I was just having fun hope no one was offended.

UNCLESAM says:

Jules,
Im sure you are a fat ugly disgusting thing.

Gimpy1 says:

Of course Tania has a proud association with prostitutes. Her mother and grandmother both were both prostitutes. How else would anyone come to be a mix of 6 different nationalities?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Prostitutes and bargirls are nothing but lazy whores. To generalize a lot of the comments said so far, "it's too hard to get a job in a factory, so I'll just lay on my back and spread my legs for 100's of farangs and get paid for taking a load of penis pudding.
(Tania, see I can use other phrases than throat yougurt) Lazy, lazy, lazy!

Everyone treats these girls like they are some sort of special goddesses. They suck dick for a living.

It comes back to a previous rant that I've had, "What would your reaction be if your daughter, sister, girlfriend etc came home and said they are working as a bar girl, prostitute, porn star?

I don't think it would be, "that's nice dear, make sure everyone wears a rubber!" It would be more along the lines of, "you fucking whore, get out of this house right now!" Anyone other than Tania who says different is full of shit!

Actually, I take that back, as I've met several guys dating porn stars and they strut around like, "Look at me, I date a porn star. She blows ten guys on video, swallows their baby batter, (non throat yougurt usage again) and then comes home a kisses me. I am so cool."

Just so I don't come across so high and mighty that I would never use a bar girl. I would. If I ever come to Thailand without my Thai girlfriend, I would probably use a differnent bargirl everynight that I was there. Maybe even 2 at a time. Operative word is "use." I would not use one girl from my entire trip. I would search out for new girls about 18 or 19 with no experience. check that, I'd probably go for one with about 10 years of experience. Check that again, I'd get the 18 year old and the pro and have the pro give the newby lessons on what to do. When I do make that trip I'll be asking for plenty of suggestions on the best places to go.

TANAI KWAI says:

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Gimpy1 says:

I forgot to mention, Mot is a really hot piece of ass. If she is serious about doing porn. She should go to the US. I'd love to see her in a really sleazy video like, "Hot Asian chicks sucking big black dicks!" Or "Hot Asian chicks felching other Hot Asian chicks." Felching is known as the oral extraction for semen from the anus.

Tirak Ja says:

Jules,

I mean this respectfully and it is just my opinion. I do respect your responses. I totally am not trying to sway you at this point.

My reaction to your last post made me think. If hot girls or even 5s say wanted to pay me for sex I think I would. Of course I don't have to to survive that way so it clearly isn't the same thing.

I do get your point I am just responding with my thoughts about my own reflections on the matter. At this stage in my life my ideas about morality have changed a great deal form where they were 10 years ago. Much of what I beleived then I have come to think of as less to do with the nature of life and more to do with what I had internalized or had been conditioned to believe. I like to think in my weaker moments that I am actually more moral now. For example I am not ashamed to say that I do care about the BGs I've met and do want them to have as happy a life as they are capable of having. I am not ashamed of my association with them. I appreciate the happiness that they have helped me feel.

I often wonder if I met myself then how I would react to that other me. I wish I could go back but I don't think it's likely I'll get the chance.

I believe eveyone has their own moral compass though and I respect that.

jersey says:

Oye, to get a bit more go to www.asianthumbs.org and enter vivian lin into the "search Asian Thumbs" box.

Not the most hardcore (sadly) but free.

Jules - The Real One says:

Tirak,

We all have our moral compass and I respect your openness in discussing your attitude to these ladies.

I am not against them in the sense of being filled with disgust and loathing at what they do or their antics with their clients. My attitude to them is a reflection of many years of dealing with such ladies and dealing with ordinary Thai people.

At first when I came to Thailand I found them quite charming and rivetting. My previous experiences with prostitutes were in Africa, the Middle East and Hong Kong. I really did not like them very much, a bit rough for the most part and not something I would touch. Not attractive for a young guy.

After a few months or years (depending on the individual) you start to meet ordinary Thai people socially who are not involved with this industry. That is when many expats form a deeper understanding of this industry and free themselves from the fakeness of it all. I have nothing against Nana or the people there and it can be quite fun at times.

There are more fresh young girls arriving every week in search of easy money and an easy life.

The comments about them being lazy are not totally without substance, as any bar owner will tell you. This is why the swinging fines for being late or not turning up are in place in all bars and go gos.

The moral majority of Thai people would not take this path. They are happy with what they have and live their lives as well as they can. They are not saints but they have some direction for their lives.

You will note from the posts above that the world of work in thailand for an ordinary person is not a bed of roses.

Hence my comment that I reserve my sympathy for those who take the harder path.

Chok dee krub

Bento Box says:

Jules repeats himself
Like a dodgy Chiko Roll;
Just soggy cabbage

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

Noted. When the discusion gets round to a direct question which is a liitle bit tough and has moral tones you bow out.

Previously you were very verbose in defending the morality of ladies selling their pussies to you.

Is this because your hypocrisy would be evident?

Jules - The Real One says:

Bento Box,

If all you have is drivel and pseudo intellectualism why do you bother to post?

Are these supposed to be Japanese poetry? Grow up a little bit.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules,

Bento Box is attempting to gift you with haikus. Recognize the meter?

"When the discusion gets round to a direct question which is a liitle bit tough and has moral tones you bow out."

I think you are smarter than this. I articulated my position and you yours. I don't think our efforts to reconcile our views would be rewarding. If you haven't noticed I am not exactly a shrinking violet; just choosing my battles.

"Previously you were very verbose in defending the morality of ladies selling their pussies to you."

Actually, if you revisit my "very verbose" post, it is not an apologia for bargirl morality. It is a wry comparison of the relative challenges faced by people of different professions and occupations, and a suggestion that we all deserve compassion. So long as your behavior does not interfere with mine I would not presume to lecture you about morality, or to explain mine in any depth.

"Is this because your hypocrisy would be evident?"

Frankly, I don't understand the thinking behind your jab.

(...)

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

You have answered the question.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules,

Wow.

You who cry out for maturity and that your interlocutors "grow up a little bit" and you respond with that clever retort.

Okay Jules, back to shitting out blocks of marble on Mount Olympus with the rest of your moral mates.

(have fun mischaracterizing my positions)

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

You have answered the question.

Everyone can form their own conclusions from your responses.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules,

You're basically a pussy.

(cheers)

Jules - The Real One says:

Tanai,

Cheap insults are the refuge you choose.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules,

You are basically a pussy. It's not an insult. It's a profession.

Would that your smug pomposity were backed up by a teensy bit of intellectual horsepower -- or at least some modestly interesting commentary. You remind me of the modern incarnation of the Ford Mustang -- lots of go-fast styling but a crap engine. At least that's better than your stripped-down soulmate, Limpy1, who only has the crap engine but none of your haughty faux-polish.

(inane brevity is the refuge you choose)

Jules - The Real One says:

Empty vessels make the most sound. - John Lydgate (c.1370-1451)

TANAI KWAI says:

Wow again. Remind me to trot that quote out the next time I can't respond with anything fair or intelligent to say when the other guy makes an effort to engage me.

(Christ, quote something different for a change.)

Dana says:

Well, the worlds leading physicists can put this one to bed. When I am not around to get shit on, you guys shit on each other. Sort of like watching a nature film about unsympathetic animals.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana,

Cheap insults are the refuge you choose.

Bow down to highly trained professionals.

If a vessel contains sympathy it is empty.

I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob goo goo goo joob
Goo goo gooooooooooo jooooob

(...)

Dana says:

JesusMaryand Joseph TK--grab the reins. Remember, you did actually pass the law boards which unqualifiedly marks you as one of the alpha people. Why do you muck around in this trough of mediocrity anyway? Is it one of those guilty pleasures, like a vegan munching on a boiled egg? I'd like to say you are an enigma wrapped in a mystery but that would trigger a firestorm of literary and other obscure and obtuse and self aggrandizing thread showboating--so I won't say it.

Bento Box says:

I love it. Jules bites every time.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana,

The majority of the regulars here have the smarts to pass the bar. It's just a bunch of incantations and magic words they make you learn so you can join the cult.

I have actually dialed my posts back several notches as part of my TQM program.

Again, this is not a trough of mediocrity. You are certainly not mediocre.

I'm no mystery. I'm a simple man. I just ask that you not be gratuitously insulting to our hosts (even when you stand a good chance of being in the right about something) and to slip on a nice condom before you have a tryst. That's all.

(...)

Jules - The Real One says:

I love it, Bent Box cannot even read who is posting.

Jules - The Real One says:

Sorry Tanai I have been toying with you for my own amusement and I really should stop.

Your postings have gone from:

"These girls can't get paid enough for what they do or for the joy they bring. I honor their profession"

to

"my "very verbose" post, it is not an apologia for bargirl morality"

to
"You're basically a pussy"

to

"goo goo goo joob goo goo goo joob"

Your use of complex sentence structure and extended vocabulary and a lack of moral justification marked you as fragile.

I noted a sense of inferiority and it was relatively easy to exploit this. Just not answering your "legally trained" verbiage sent you into a tizzy.

Your attempts at insults are also interesting, trying to maintain some intellectual high ground when you have already lost by resorting to petty insults.

A competent lawyer would understand this is not the way to go about winning a debate.

I will leave the rest unsaid.

TANAI KWAI says:

Jules,

Not very bright, are you? Just keep making "I'm really smart" noises -- it's all you've got. That and your vaunted "professional" status -- what a load of shit.

One day, maybe somebody will give you the respect you so desperately crave. Just not here.

(...)

Pat Paulsen says:

"Why malign the BGs and the Nana girls? Who are they hurting?" (Tirak Ja)

"Just having a car wreck and having to sell your pussy to get by is not enough to elicit my sympathy."(Jules)

["The career itself is fleeting, often followed by devastating loss of face and economic uncertainty. The benefits of hooking? Relative leisure... Nights of carefree drunkenness... The chance to be whisked away and perhaps cared for"] (TK)*

*Thanks to TK, FINALLY, somebody articulating equilibrium against these white-knuckle, sexual moralists.

"Good luck to Tanai and his proud association with prostitutes." (Jules)

"How old are you? Have you travelled outside of BKK & Pattya?" (Tirak Ja)

"Why do you assume because I can find little sympathy for bargirls that I am against sex? Is it because you associate sex with bargirls and only bargirls?"(Jules)

"There are other fresher chickens who will take her place at the bar." (Jules)

"Show some pictures of ladyboys not chicks. I like cock."(Jules)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Talk about Hypocrisy. Dana/Jules embody the very essence of the meaning.

These are two people who make me feel like a better person; after what they've postulated here, I know I am (thanks!).
These are two people who make me sympathise with BGs more than I ever considered doing in 16 years(even if I didn't get the "Mots").
These are two people who don't get it; even the "accomodating", less attractive bar girls provide them with a sense of self worth and esteem they can't even come close to finding in the seedy corners of their measly life, back home in beantown.
I say Long Live Thai BGs!!!
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

"Dana has more sympathy and empathy with these ladies than most."(Jules)

"She is lazy and stupid. No sympathy here."(Dana)

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Dana, you have so much to compensate for, why is that?

Pat

Pat Paulsen says:

Whooosh! I feel better...

That was the reaction you wanted.

Nice game!

phomthai2 says:

re: Waxhead's salary statements. Perhaps your factory pays those figures, but that's not the norm for many factory workers. It's more like 150-200 B per day and usually with no job security as they are hired on a daily basis.

Sandy says:

Pat,

Yes, I'd say you were played, unskillfully,
and wound up by a couple of losers.

Keep the insults to them. More effective.
Those guys (Dana or Jules) are islands,
and with only a few unsuspecting visitors.

Sandy K

KDub says:

On the subject of factory salaries: I met a cute, young lady selling beer out of a cooler on the street one night. She told me she quit her job working at a factory that made keyboards because she could make more selling beer after 2:00. I told her she could make more going with me. She said, "no, I don't do that". After a slow night in sales she followed me home. I understand why the girls do this. It's an option. BTW...she keeps calling me! I'll see her when I go back.

Mike T says:

What Jules and Dana have highlighted is the reality of prostitution. Spend some time with prossies and you will find out it has a very dark side and not something YOU would do.

And TK flamed himself as the pretentious prat he is. He is exposed as another John who has lost the plot and worships hookers, needing "self esteem" from bar girls.

TANAI KWAI says:

"Mike T,"

"What Jules and Dana have highlighted is the reality of prostitution."

No dumbass, that's what the rest of us did.

"And TK flamed himself as the pretentious prat he is. He is exposed as another John who has lost the plot and worships hookers, needing "self esteem" from bar girls."

Why read, process and respond to what has actually been said when you can just spew? What you are doing is called "projection." Look into it.

(thanks for playing now disappear in a puff like the disposable alter-ego come to reinforce Jules' boneheaded positions that you are)

Mike T says:

The only puff is you. Look into it.

TANAI KWAI says:

I hate to help you out, but you obviously need it: the word you are straining for is "poof."

(...)

Dana says:

Puff and poof--ya gotta laugh.

Dirtycobra says:

I do not know who is more incompetent, Jules or Dana.

Jules you need to go back to the temple and thump your drum.

Dana, it is obvious that you would rather affiliate with little Thai boysÖ

Honolulu Jimmny says:

I wonder how many people will try and find porn pics to post on FLB's board.....God are they boring!

Mike T says:

Just going back over old threads.

The word was indeed "puff".

I was a little surprised that the only person on this thread who described himself as a professional does not have a dictionary.

I was even more surprised that an eminent lawyer did not recognise the reference. Thought they taught this in Contract Law 101 at Law School when they discussed representations.

So as not to bore the pants off everyone:

puff - advertise with exaggeration or false praise.

Hence TK's posts are mere puffery.

There was of course a double entendre but I have no idea if TK is a poofter nor any desire to know.

I suspect that Dana, you spotted this right away?

Now I will quietly leave this thread as this poncificiating is becoming infectious.

Jack says:

She's a very nice girl, she's one of the models I hired for my old web site, but the site is no longer active, as I'm busy for it. Here is a picture of her for my old site.

http://odgals.com/Samples/odgals001.jpg

TANAI KWAI says:

"puff - advertise with exaggeration or false praise."

Idiot,

You don't call someone a "puff" when they engage in puffery, any more than you call some a "walk" when they engage in walking.

Nor does it make any sense to say my post are "puffery" as I am not exaggerating the qualities of a good or service in a permissible way not amounting to false advertising, per the definition. Again, I hate to help you out but you were looking perhaps for "pedantic"?

And no, Dana, it never gets old.

(...)

Dana says:

I seem to always be in trouble or misunderstood. Pity me.

Bye the way I am making up some Thai Thoughts and Anecdotes by Dana T-shirts--great stocking stuffers for your BG this Christmas.

Anonymous says:

Tanai,

You exaggerate yourself and your intellectual prowess in exactly the way the word describes. Your posts are mere puffery advertising Tanai Kwai's intellectual superiority.

The double entendre does not work well if grammar is your main concern. i.e. "the only puffery around here is you" is not particularly titillating or grammatically correct.

An alternative interpretation is "a puff of wind" which could equally have described your posts as it refers to wind, a reference to the gas which emanates from your arse.

All a little bit too subtle for you. Stick to Japanese poetry style subtlety.

Had you reaching for your law books though to prove your superiority. Hilarious. (Oops, a one word sentence)

TANAI KWAI says:

Anonymous Idiot/Mike T/Jules/[insert fungible foil]:

PLEASE... stop trying so hard to obscure your mediocrity and clumsiness. It's fucking painful to watch and anyone can see you are straining mightily not to appear to be a dumbshit.

You aren't that bright. You aren't that educated. You aren't that interesting. No one's day is brightened by anything you write.

"Had you reaching for your law books though to prove your superiority."

You have such a chip on your shoulder. It is very trying to deal with a person with such illusions about lawyers or others in society they perceive as their betters. They so want to prove themselves to earn not only your respect, but their own self-respect. So they put on airs in the way they express themselves, acting like someone they aren't, when all they really want is a room somewhere, far away from the cold night air, with one enormous chair, oh wouldn't it be loverly? It's embarrassing, frankly.

The definition of "puffery" would not be something any commercial lawyer would have to "reach for his law books" to ascertain. It is one of the countless, formulaic little pieces of information that lawyers rattle off without thought, just as a grocery cashier might be able to tell you without looking up from her register that sardines are on aisle 9.

But keep yapping at me with your fearsome wit -- perhaps one day, you'll prove yourself to the board as the Giant-Killer you are. And then you can stand over my bored corpse and proclaim, I AM SOMEBODY!!!

(yawn)

Dana says:

Boy and I thought I was tough. This TK guy gargles with razor blades and has barbed wire in his armpits.

Gimpy1 says:

Tania,

The ladies room needs to be mopped.

TANIA KWAI says:

Oh goodness me! Have I said all that? Dear oh dear! (Reaching for my smelling salts)

It must be all that back-breaking work in the girlie bogs. It's getting to my head these days!

I must be back at the mopping before the janitor gets me on the short end of his broomstick.

TANAI KWAI says:

Dana,

There aren't a lot of tough guys on the internet. There are, however, some lonely imbeciles begging (yes, begging) for someone to reach out to them.

(...)

Dana says:

Rediculus--Redikelus--Ridicalas--Ridekulous

TANIA KWAI says:

Dana & TK,

You guys are both helairius. I bow before you mighty mortals.

Prorogue says:

This may well be why Puff Daddy changed his moniker to P Diddy, completely unaware, that the DiddyMen worked among other places, in the Jam Butty mines of Knotty Ash.

http://www.chucklebutty.co.uk/Diddymen.html

'butty' ooh!! Suits you sir! Suits you.

Johnny says:

She's lovely.
NaaRak mak maak.

Dinkdink says:

I just did a websearch on Vivian Lyn, and it seems her professional capacity is quite versatile and diverse, she is also
the Chair of Public Health, NSW Australia.
A Vancouver Realter in Canada
Professor of Linguistics, University of Wisconsin
and
the Founder of Tangent Entertainment, an emerging media and technology network distributing digital content and software applications

What an amazing woman!!

Unim Portant says:

Is this some sort of pissing contest?

Grow up, guys, let someone else get a word in. Your shit is so fucking BORING.

Road Natzi says:

Unim Portant says:

Is this some sort of pissing contest?

Grow up, guys, let someone else get a word in. Your shit is so fucking BORING.

WHAT KIND OF FOOL ARE YOU UNIM PORTANT, DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A GOLD EMBOSSED INVITATION TO POST YOUR VIEW, ARE YOU WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO ANNOUNCE THE WORD "OVER" OR ARE YOU JUST TO STUPID TO HAVE A GO AND POST SOMETHING DECENT?????

If you think this shit is so boring, fuck off back to your masturbation club, idiot.