May 29 2005

Unmasking a Thai Internet con-girl

Most romance-seekers who use the Internet to organise dates in Thailand know perfectly well that they're just fooling around with prostitutes but some unfortunate men become convinced that their girl is "different" or perhaps even "respectable" - a common misconception that devious Thai hookers are always eager to exploit.

In a previous article (See Is your Thai sweetheart really a con-woman?) I profiled the behavior of a typical Thai con-girl and offered suggestions as to how a marriage-minded farang might recognise one. On re-reading it, however, I now realise that putting my advice into practice would yield only circumstantial evidence - which is of little practical use when the presiding judge is getting expertly blown-off by the defendant.

To convince a love-sick fool that his adorable Internet dream-girl is really a yo-yo knickered common prostitute, a big smoking gun needs to be rammed firmly up his arse and discharged several more times.

The story of one particularly gullible Internet shopper who won't listen to reason (See Thai mail-order bride fuels mid-life crisis #2 - a tale that now includes several new episodes) has left me feeling more trigger-happy than a US marine patrolling the highway to Baghdad airport - so I'm now going to ask him to pull over at the Mango Sauce checkpoint, step out of his vehicle and bend over.

So long as the will exists to do it, catching an Internet con-girl with her knickers down is actually quite easy. Their deceptions are fairly crude and most can't be bothered to cover their tracks either. If a man is prepared to do his own dirty-work, hiring a private detective is quite unnecessary. This is how it's done:

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The easiest place to start is her Hotmail account. Most Thai girls use their phone number as their password (remember to include the leading zero) but the less imaginative ones will settle for 111111, 123456, 666666 or some other easily-remembered six-number combination. This approach works like a charm in most cases but it can sometimes fail when the girl has lost her original phone. It might have slipped out of her back pocket in a Bangkok taxi one night when she was puking 12 bottles of Bacardi Breezer into her handbag.

If this is the case, our amateur sleuth will have to purchase a plane ticket and spring a surprise home-visit on her. When he turns up unannounced clutching his duty-free litre of Asti Spumante and a bunch of King Power roses, her real boyfriend will almost certainly be on hand to put them in water.

Unless his Thai sweetheart has the brass-balls to maintain that the shirtless farang pot-head reclining on her semen-splashed Hello Kitty bed-linen is really just a friend, she'll probably run off and hide somewhere - pausing only to switch her phone off.

In the unlikely event that the devious little tart is home alone, she'll have to rearrange her other liaisons rather hastily. When she leaves the room on some pretext ("I go Sev-earn") a call to her mobile will be greeted by a busy-tone. This is the perfect time to carry the investigation forward.

Her small room will be littered with evidence of wrongdoing. The photos lurking in the bottom drawer of her powder-blue melamine dresser will constitute a rogues-gallery of past and present lovers. They're the tools of her trade. Without them, she might have difficulty recognising the various men she picks up at the airport each week. They also help to jog her memory about what she did with whom.

There's no point in lingering over the bulky gilt-embossed album containing her childhood snaps and the professionally shot 8x10s (The ones where she's dolled-up in traditional costume and her porcelain-white features are framed by a Lanna-style backdrop). That's just her publicity brochure.

What we're looking for are the cheap plastic photo-books. They'll show her poking the long-suffering orangutans of Safari World with a sharp stick in the company of an ever-changing line-up of bland-looking professional men clad in sweat-stained Camel Adventure Wear.

There will be piles of incriminating correspondence all over the place. When lovers email her with their travel details, she'll have to print them out and a surprising number of guys still prefer to express their predictable - but no less nauseating - longings through the medium of hand-written love letters. For the frequent flier who remembered to steal the sick-bag from his seat pocket, this might be a convenient time to bring it out again.

Some girls keep meticulous records. Each man is allocated a notebook and all interactions are carefully logged. Gooey text messages are laboriously transcribed - often in their native English. Consequently, a few minutes spent flicking through the pages could prove enlightening. The notebooks will be stowed away on the sagging shelf under the TV - beside her large and well-thumbed English-Thai, Thai-English dictionary.

If the girl manages to prevent access to her room with some bullshit excuse ("My apartment only lady - man cannot come" or "Cannot take farang go - people/owner/family think I bad lady" etc.) her high-end cameraphone will tell the same story. She almost certainly lacks the expertise to sanitise it so, when she takes a shower, it will disgorge a steaming mountain of dirt. In the unlikely event that she's taken the trouble to delete the explicit text messages and incriminating photos, the call logs will still be there and her contacts book will read like a war memorial.

When the damning evidence of her wrongdoing emerges, staging a confrontation is pointless - because she'll just turn into a screaming harridan and paint herself as the victim of a grave injustice. Later, once she's had time to think, she'll devise a new pack of lies to fit the known facts. She'll promise anything but the one thing that she'll never do is to become a reformed character.

What happens next depends on the maturity of the guy. He could either carry on shagging her purely for fun or, if he's a late developer, he could make a complete prick of himself by throwing a few punches, smashing her phone and hurling her clothes out of the window. The object of his childish fury might enter into the spirit of things by wailing like a stuck pig and pretending to cut her wrists with a safety razor.

Once he's stormed off and purchased his fill of beer, sex and sympathy from a selection of rough, tattooed bar girls, our hormone-fuelled hero will probably conclude that no one else is quite as sweet and lovely as the lying tart that he's just dumped - and the marriage plans will suddenly be back on again.

The deception/discovery/bust-up/reconciliation cycle might have to be played out several more times before the guy eventually comes to his senses or runs out of money. This may explain why so many of the fixtures and fittings in Thailand's budget apartments and tourist-class hotel rooms are held together with Sellotape.

[Posted to Relationships by David]

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Readers' comments

Shellback Sailor says:

I think I've pretty much unmasked, at least in my mind, my little Thai con-girl, but there are a few things which still leave me to wonder. Let me present the evidence, both for and against.

In the "for" column -
1. Just as mentioned above, there were the pictures at the bottom of the drawer. She opened the drawer to remove photos of her family, and older pictures of her at a temple in Cambodia, but the Farang face peeking back at the bottom, from underneath a stack of assorted papers, caught my eye. He looked like a nice guy, from the second or two glance I had.

2. She certainly had the notebook. She showed me how she learned English by recording things she had heard, translating them into Thai, and then back in English using the "well worn" Thai-English dictionary. Naturally, they were phrases like "without my bra?" or "my panties are see-through." I mean pages and pages of this stuff.

3. There was other evidence laying around; what I shall call "left-overs." Things such as British FHM and Maxim magazines. Two or three, but enough to make me wonder why a Thai girl with only a moderate understanding of English would have them in possession.

4. As mentioned in previous articles, her phone rang a fairly steady basis. In fact, one conversation was in English, in which she stated she was with her new boyfriend (looking at me), whom she had been happily together with for three weeks (try more like three days).

Reasons Against -
1. She was more than willing to offer her money up for various things. When I had a stomach ache, she quickly offered to pay for the Anti-Acids, or when at the store and my debit card didn't work, she was willing to pay using the cash out of her pocket.

2. She even bought ME gifts. Not one thing, but several things.

So...how often do con-women offer up their own dough?

June 11, 2006 7:38 PM

somnumna says:

answer to question

So...how often do con-women offer up their own dough?

It is called investing in her future, or speculating to accumulate, just as military planners spray about 1000lb errs softening up the target before they move in, ‚Äúyou appear to be under a hostile attack‚Äù, run for cover back to the nearest beer bar before any further damage can be done and count yourself lucky this time.

June 24, 2006 6:07 PM

luther says:

ode to poo
"123456" and cell phone numbers!! They do this because they all open each others email accounts to read each others email. And just as strange, they write to their own accounts as if talking to someone else. But both accounts have the same password and by the name of the email address she is the obvious single owner.. This one gentleman, would baffle Socrates himself. I havenâ€™t figured this out yet. If you think you understand this .please write me. The multiple email addresses at hotmail or common email provider. This is because they have to have a separate email address for every profile on their singles web site to register multiple accounts and keep all the men straight in their dim witted little minds. I am lucky and i am screwed. I am lucky because I met a woman on the old enter teli that was from a good family. Has a good job and 100% independent. She is by all appearence in want of nothing but a husband. She even came with a hymen at the age of 35 and a home that was paid for! Hey, seeing is believing but I wouldnâ€™t unless I had not. So laugh at this statement, I would. As well ,she is online with me every night to include weekends. Unless she is fucking one of you then she tells me she went to visit the farm. Iâ€™m not that stupid. When a woman starts talking about a nine inch dick while she is getting off and she is on the metric system. Hey damage done. Iâ€™m 5'5" I'm sure as hell not packing 9â€. And as you all know I could have pictures of her in the act, and she would still have said its not her. So itâ€™s impossible to try to find any closure in an apology. The whole face and honesty issue. It is a common Asian trait from Tokyo to Bangkok that lying is honesty if it saves face. This is a habit that all white men find the most cowardly and unforgivable of all. This is one of the very first things we spank our children for other than blatant stupidity. We believe that there is more honor in learning from our mistake and than refusing to admit we are wrong. They on the other hand would rather commit hari kari than live to enlightenment in the eye of a nosy niebors scorn.I am screwed because I have only figured this all out, only 3 weeks before my marriage ceremony.I have been reading everything I could about Thai women trying to decide what to do. Now one week out from either the 2nd biggest mistake of my life, or a better life for me in a country I could actually afford to retire in. Seems for the past 2 years we have been dating she has had 4 profiles on this singles website with fake names and fake pictures. While "I love you daddy" was being told to my face she was on the enter net telling nasty old men she is single. I was wondering where she got this daddy shit from! Now I know somewhere some nasty fucker was on top of my love sweating, moaning, and relieving himself as if on top of a toilet. Saying,â€whoâ€™s your daddy slut?â€ â€œWhoâ€™s pussy is this? And Iâ€™m sure my love was loving all 9 inches of it and screaming, â€œYour pussy daddy, your pussy!â€ I donâ€™t have the heart to tell the poor little thing I think about this every time we speak or that I will never believe a word out her mouth. She seems to be so content and happy calling me this as if it were, in fact my first name. The mother fucker sure made an impression on her thatâ€™s for sure. I know neither of us will ever be allowed to forget it. So working overseas I have to wonder if she will be faithful while I am gone for 6 months at a time. If we marry, that is. Everything you say about these women is dead on. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Our love is nothing special to her. I could have been the ugliest nasty mother fucker in the world and I would still be her â€œdaddy.â€ But guys understand one thing. All women in the world are the same. Itâ€™s just that most of the guys here are just figuring them out for the first time. Due to the ratio of women to men in white societies, they canâ€™t get laid in their own countries. But one day my brothers I pray I will find a country that we can all get laid in without throwing our money away on a sports car and smoke weed too. Then we can kick back, roll another bone, and say "fuck it ..next!"

August 28, 2006 11:07 PM

ozricmann says:

i did one better, i said "honey if you dont let me open up an account for you i will be so sad...........

she did and still nothing!

some girls eh!

August 30, 2006 10:10 PM

Phyll says:

Hi

Im a bit worried now after reading this! My brother is dating a Thai girl, and they met on the internet.

Apparently, he has already gone to see her and has met her family. She told him that she is scared when she will come to NZ with him because she is worried that someone will kidnap her and force her into sex slavery blah blah blah...i mean come on, why come to NZ then..she wants him to sleep by her incase she gets stolen in the night, and swept away to a nudiee bar..polease..and i thort blondes were duh!!
They are coming over in November, how can i check out this thai chick, because i will eventually give her a warning if she messes with my brother. I'll soon show her Maori's don't like to be played around with.
Need some input..or information if u could help..
Thanx..

September 1, 2006 7:45 AM

Richard says:

I met a girl on TLL and I chated with her for a few months before I purchased a plane ticket. She had me convinced that she was a nurse in the BKK hospital she also had me convinced she had not had sex in over 3 years. Oh boy was i shocked and disapointed when I got to Thailand and started finding out the truth, slowly. Within one hour of me arriving to the BKK airport where she was waiting for me, her and I were in a hotel screwing like rabbits. She had her private parts cleanly shaven bald. Oh, she just happened to know the lady at the hotel front desk very well also and got us a great discount on the room.....? Then, on day 5 of my visit she told me she felt like she was pregnant. The next day she woke up earlier than me and went to the hospital and had a pregnancy test done. Surprise she is pregnant. When I told her about the laws of physics, she said that she was recently raped by a farang patient that she had to do a house call for. I almost started laughing out loud at her. When I said that there are no "house calls" by only a single nurse she said she met him in Pattaya at a music concert and he was drunk and started getting sick so she escorted him to his hotel to"nurse" him back to health. This was my one experience, no more women online for me.

September 8, 2006 6:43 PM

luther says:

to miss NZ! dont worry about your brother, do the right thing and give her the benifit of the doubt.I have lived here 2 years.the woman here are not by any means inherently bad.your brother just needs to make sure he is not marrying out of his cast.or it will be the white society that will turn her into something bad.White people will not allow an unattractive man to be with a very beautiful woman.they will seduce her away from him like they did my japaneese wife.if he marries her and the community supports "him" she will be good.if she cannot go to the store without someone trying to pick her up even though she has a wedding ring then she will follow suit just like every woman from anywhere.the people where i am from would not stand buy and see a beautiful asian married to a long haired and over wieght man.even the woman were trying to sleep with my wife.so its not always their culture at fault.ours has a few things to be desired as well.

September 20, 2006 8:37 AM

Anonymous says:

My husband has recently left me and his family to return to his Thai girl in Thailand. (A whore I call her). He met her some weeks ago while on holiday in Thailand. He came back to UK and seemed to be utterely in love with her telephone and texting her all the time. After I found out about her and kicked him out of our family home he told me he was totally besotted with her and in love, She had a good job and didn't work the clubs. She paid for her drinks while they were out and she was special. He has now left me for her, I don't mind though i'm sure he will be the one to suffer in the long run. I have also been a good wife he is the first to admit this. Does anyone else have a similar story. What do you think will happen to him.

November 19, 2006 12:12 AM

shellback sailor says:

To Luther:
A common theme in many posts is the fact that she probably doesn't have a normal job at all. How exactly did he meet her during your last holiday? If he met her in say...Mike's Shopping Mall, okay. If he met her on walking street, but she "just now" decided to get a "decent" job for him, that's another story.

My girl has recently (about a few months ago) started working a more 9-5 type of job. I am regulary sent pics of her at work, as well as photo copies of her ID badge, and work garuantee letter. Do I believe the whole thing? I think so, since the e-mails are all stamped about midnight, and this would be an awful time for a bargirl to be sending e-mails and not working.

Also, I'm the first post on this thread, and I got some good advice about Thai girls buying their own drinks, etc... As I am told, it's the same as an investment.

All this being said, he may more than likely return to Thailand only to find she's tied-up (no pun intended) in other affairs.

November 21, 2006 3:31 AM

Happymantoo says:

Hi Shellback sailor. Regarding time of emails being a good guide to activities, beware.

There are many girls working at a short time bar in Soi 3, Beach Rd, Pattaya. Having done the deed at 3pm, my prefered time, I chatted for some time to the girl. She worked there because the hours suited her, finished by 8pm. She had worked beer bars but didn't like the noise and late hours.

Can't imagine that this is the only place of it's type. For those who like afternoon sex it's brill but a bit expencive, ST is about 1200 Bt all in.

November 24, 2006 7:16 PM

Me says:

Some readers mentioned girls buying gifts and drinks. Keep in mind that most honest Thai girls don't make much money. If they buy a drink for you and another for herself, that is probably half a days wage.

If a Thai girl pays for a lot of drinks and gifts, chances are that money is coming straight from a stupid idiot, like yourself, from Switzerland or whater, monthly directly to her bank account.

December 6, 2006 5:21 PM

johnnybabboo says:

I met a thai girl on the internet, she seemed honest and true. She said she loved me. She told me of getting monthly money from a german guy but she didnt not love him, That I am her only one. She is a masseuse not body massage, she says traditional thai massage. She insists she never does any " bad" things. Her massage place is in the bar district. Can i believe she doesnt do anything but massage people? She does not work at a wholesome place. Downstairs is a bar. Do i believe she is in love with me? she is 37 and i am 55. I have seen pictures of her 3 children, she has been divorced for 6 years. She is from chiang mai and says she wants to marry me. We have been talking online for a few months . she has a webcam and wants me to visit soon. She does not have tattoos and comes across as honest. Since she admitted her relationship to the German and of previous men. When online with me she gives me her full attention. Her pretty smile, makes me not think much of the bad things. She shows me pictures of the kids and acts shy, but will be unshy many times. Am i being sucked in?

March 8, 2007 5:42 AM

Prufrock says:

Johnnybabboo: Yes. Yep, uhuh, chai leaow.

March 8, 2007 1:34 PM

johnnybabboo says:

Thanks for the response. A family crisis also had occurred as this website predicted. But I told her i wasn;'t sending any money as i dont have to send. She still wants me to come to meet her. That hasnt changed the way she says she feels. I couldnt find any other profiles , I'm just wondering what her next move will be and why the no money doesnt drive her away. Yep, she knows all the english slang and speaks pretty well. She seems so damn sincere, if its a sham, she deserves an academy award. She says read the internet sites like this, do all the reserach i want and i'll find that she is for real. I read Privat Dancer and laughed how naive a guy could be. and here i am confused. No wonder they call me johnny babboo. So do i meet her? Do ya walk away from what could be real? and what is chai laow mean it cant be good . thanks

March 8, 2007 9:00 PM

Kenn says:

Meeting women who are not in the business is hard;
I have a few friends and two Brothers who live in different areas of Thailand , so if I am looking for a relationship they can introduce me to a woman ( the women they are married or Dating are always trying to fix me up with their Sister ,Cousins or some other female family member ) (LOL),
So the best advice I could give to someone who is really interested in a serious relationship with a Thai Women would be just plan on going to Thailand for a good time , get to know people and converse with them , after they trust you they will be willing to show you around and introduce you to some women ,
And if you are going there to meet a women you already have a Internet relationship with ; then go there get to know her and her friends see how they act and be cautious ; donâ€™t waive around money, just play the role as a man with just enough Money to get by , and donâ€™t promise them any money;
Even if they are supporting their family or have a sick Buffalo or some other Sob story, unless you feel you just have more than you need LOL
And if you do not do well with talking to others, then just go hit the go-go Bars get dunk and Laid, LOL

March 9, 2007 5:35 AM

johnnybabbo says:

thanks for good advice Kenn. I have actually met good women in thailand and the the taken ones did introduce me to their relatives.I met my share of 22 year old bargirls also. But i had to leave thailand ,,and didnt have enough time to get to know the good women i was introduced to. We continued emails but those do not have much substance. So i met on internet only the woman i discuss above She seems to say the right things ,,and seems genuine,,but then again, other things dont stack up. Massage worker, speaks english too well,gets money froma ferang,She says she doesnt know anything about the sex places, what they charge or even that body massage places exist. Some things make no sense, but she is real pretty , not a 20 year old and says the right things, and hasnt asked for any money. And swears she doesnt even give happy endings after massage. After meeting thai women, I really do not want to have an american wife, thai or other asian I prefer now. Those thai girls sure are very pretty with the greatest smiles.

March 9, 2007 9:45 AM

nickatnite says:

what do you think of a woman you meet on a dating thing online. She tells you come to thailand and she will meet you stay with you , take care of you, and travel around with you. Is this a good woman to pursue a relationship with. Or someone to just get laid with.

March 10, 2007 5:19 AM

Kenn says:

johnnybabbo,

I see your dilemma, and it will just have to be a judgment call on your part, Good Luck

They are not all Bar Girls, some are actually the so called good girl, but with the swarms of Cons running around it is sometimes just to hard to see what is really going on at face value ; but never go head diving into a relationship ; take your sweet ass time ; things are bound to surface if she isnâ€™t on the full up & up their should be some clues , just donâ€™t turn a blind eye to and detail and donâ€™t over judge every detail ( now doesnâ€™t that sound easy) LOL)

And it will just have to be an individual judgment call on your part, Good Luck

nickatnite;
I never go looking for a serious relationship; I made my mistakes in the past (still canâ€™t completely shake my Venezuelan Girlfriend)

I say go there to get laid; and see how you feel after you get back home; (I am a bit of a male pig) LOL)

March 11, 2007 6:09 AM

johnnybabboo says:

i am still talking to the woman from thailand. I found out that she asks more than me to meet her. But I still can spend hours talking to her. I guess i'll see what happens.

March 17, 2007 5:11 AM

harrygood says:

met woman on internet. she is 40 says she is a virgin. says thai traditional woman. She says she will take care of me.i ask what that means, she says come to thailand and she will show me around, travel with me. No sex, no kiss , no touch. Says if i like her and will marry her, must pay her family shows i care about them, maybe they pay me back more than i give them with land. Also i thought if they were over 30 you dont pay anything , maybe i'm wrong, How does this sound, is it worth a shot. I cant figure out how you know if you love someone you cant touch or kiss. She speaks some english , not much ,but her friend helped her with english. any thoughts?

March 26, 2007 6:39 AM

Common Sense says:

Harrygood,
You my friend, are a gullible fucktard.

March 26, 2007 12:45 PM

farangadangdang says:

I met a pretty girl on the internet. She isnt thai she is Filipino. She hates thai women says they;re all hookers. She on the other hand knows all the dirty talk. Shows me her tits on the internet says she loves me. She works 2 jobs and stays in thailand because phillipines has less chance of work. She says she is good catholic. Well except for the tits and the see thru pants with no panties. Says she would be faithful. any thoughts on Fiipinos in thailand. She doesnt speak thai and has been there 3 years.

April 10, 2007 2:34 AM

Man_ila says:

farangadangdang,
What's the 2 jobs she works at? I met a go-go dancer from Makati City at Jukes (Shark bar now) in Cowboy back when Filipino fillies were being employed there.
Most Filipinos are Catholic so no surprise there. My mahal was very affectionate (kisses all the time). Thai girls are into sniffing. Not as much sex (maybe something to do with the religion) but enough. Certainly more faithful than Thai bar-girl. Never had a relationship with hi-so Thai.
Not as money-hungry as poor Thai but it will still cost you something eventually -- just takes them longer to harpoon you. You have to watch out for the relatives -- same as Thailand.
IMO, better overall because they can speak good English, are more honest, faithful and affectionate. Just have to be prepared for the religion aspect.
Mind you, there are scammers from every country but as long as both her parents are Filipino, you should be all right.

April 11, 2007 6:55 AM

farangadangdang says:

Thanks Man=ila
I'm still fussin with the Filipina, she says i am her mahal, but was willing to take a good offer from some other guy. But after discussion and in some ways i couldnt blame her for the offer she was gonna take. I gave her another chance and i'm back talkin to her and going to meet her in bkk soon. She seems like a sexual dynmao although she claims not to have gotten any in awhile. She talks like a bar girl, but i believe she works as a translator and nanny.
She can do a filthy mouth pretty good though.
Nice butt, nicer than most thais. Very sensitive, well she cries at the drop of a hat. Says she likes old men. Makes one feel really great lol. Here i thought i was young at 50.

April 26, 2007 5:05 AM

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