Mango Sauce is on hiatus

tingtawng says:

I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but starting a brand new website means you're going to have to jump through a LOT of hoops to get decent rankings in the search engines and a decent enough following to get good advertising money.

Think of all the inbound links you'll need to build up - naturally and slowly over time (you can try to buy links I guess, but search engines are getting smarter).

I suppose you could court controversy like Keith Summers.

Or if you're using an established domain name and moving it in a new direction, then you can inherit the traffic and inbound links etc.

love4fun says:

Wow, that's really too bad. I've been a regular reader for a few months now and I really think it's unfortunate. I hope to see you up and running again soon. Best of luck to you...

MP says:

Noooooo, Mango Sauce is the website that makes it possible for me to survive until we go back to LOS.

Road Natzi says:

David,

The world is a constant changing dynamic. Every day I approach the office and I wonder what lessons I am going to be taught for the day.

I always find it interesting to watch both people and organisations and the way they move in circles, back and forth and up and down.

There is a great book called, "Don't sweat the small stuff...and its all small stuff". Take the time out to read the book, it should help you think outside the square, just a little.

They say and I always wonder who 'they' actually are, "A change is as good as a holiday". In this case a change may not be the answer to your questions. Lets face it, if they can squash MANGO, they can squash your new website too, so whats the difference. Of course you could answer me by getting all technical about websites, traffic and links etc, but I urge you to take ur time out to examine the entire picture, so to speak.

At the end of the day, is it really worth while, treading all the same water you've been doing all this time, to achieve 'what', I ask you.

Anyway, I guess I'm off to find some other way to amuse myself, take care and keep smiling, everytime you find youself feeling down, just remember, it could be worse, you could be that pimple faced insignificant little HIV Positive twirp, with the straggly little pubic hair of a penis that thinks hes a US MARINE and constantly writing about how good you are....YOU COULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE!!!!

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Hi Road Natzi

The real problem with www.mangosauce.com is that it's been permanently banned from the Google AdSense program due to its supposedly explicit content.

AdSense supplies ads relevant to Thailand (i.e. hotels, visa services, legal advisors etc.) and these would be of more interest to regular readers than the "BANG A HOTTIE TONIGHT!" ads that I'm currently running.

The sex ads only appeal to the casual visitors delivered by Google and, because my Google referrals have crashed, so has my income.

Mango Sauce has a large and loyal readership but, without AdSense, I can't run ads that are relevant to them.

The obvious solution is to move the "non-explicit" content to a new site where I can create a more reliable income stream using Google AdSense.

Due to Google's total dominance of the Internet and Mango Sauce's current mismatch between advertisers and readers, I don't really have much choice.

Doggedly continuing to post here will get me nowhere because survival in this business requires flexibility.

Regards
David

tingtawng says:

David, be sure to move the cleaner articles (i.e. remove them from MS) and not just copy them. Google wants unique content and not articles/posts that are replicated from an existing domain.

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Hi Tingtawng

Yes. And then I'll apply a 301 redirect.

Regards
David

John says:

Why not have donations or sell ads directly rather than through Adbrite?

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Hi John

Regarding donations, I'm not comfortable with holding out the begging bowl and, in any case, PayPal has blacklisted me because they don't like the tone of my articles. Regardless of what politicians might have us believe, censorship still thrives.

Selling ads is a full-time job in itself and I have to use AdBrite out of necessity. They're actually very good at what they do and my failure to attract mainstream advertisers probably has more to do with this site's provocative headlines and salacious graphics rather than any shortcomings on AdBrite's part.

Regards
David

Wombat says:

Sad news indeed. Originally I would have been classified as a refugee from stickman.

However over the last few months I have enjoyed your sense of humour to the extent that Mango Sauce became the first site I would click on to. Whether it be a quiet chuckle, a belly laugh or tears of laughter you have usually managed to brighten my day.

I wish you success in your next endeavour. Bloody Google.

The only thing I won't miss is scrolling past Dicer's interminable gibberish.

Looks like the pathetic virgin hunter will now have to find someone else to stalk. Watch Bangkok Bad Boy & Tanai.

neil says:

Hi David,
can you make a new domain name like thailandmangosauce or something and then redirect traffic from here to there while using the same content as mangosauce but make sure it's adsense safe.

This would be a quick way to get adsence back and you will not lose your current readers.

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Hi Neil

A few wrinkles still need to be ironed out but, essentially, that's the plan.

Regards
David

Starkus says:

Maybe its stupid idea, but why dont you move the explicit content into a free membership are under the same domain? Locking the google censors their bots and looking "clean" for them on the outside? While free members can get the dodgy stuff with password inside?

Cheers,

Starkus

reality bite says:

yep, google de-balled this site, but dont underestimate the role old Netchanok Klikersorn played in rendering this site nueter as well. The irony of the fact the Kieth Summers is now THE internet authority on Thai Expat matters by default is apalling !

John says:

Also try linkworth. They allow adult sites and are probably better than adbrite.

Common Sense says:

Well I'm definetly sorry to see MangoSauce go. Whatever you work out David, I'm sure you will somehow find a way to improve the site. Even though many of us would say that is impossible. The best of luck in your future endeveaor.

Road Natzi,
Are you by chance Prufrocks long lost son. You can't seem to make a post without referring to me. I'm sure this is some type of hereditary obsessive-compulsive neurological disorder you recieved from your soon to be dead father. He seems to have a thing for trying to adjust people meds, maybe he can give you a hand. I suggest a good dose of SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Have a nice day.

William Mahanakorn says:

I am definitely going to miss the interesting discussions of the redlight literati, including Dean Barrett....but if anyone's interested, you can see him humiliate himself here at www.blogspot.thaipeeps.com.

Cheers, David!

I will certainly be looking for your next incarnation. Don't make us wait as long as Stick has.

Road Natzi says:

Common Sense (lack of),

Listen here dipshit, you are not even the spent cum dribbling from the end of prufrock's used condom.

You must have Prufrock shaking in his boots (NOT).

Anytime you want to try out ur supposed MARINE fighting skills, look no further than my place, your a young FUCK and I will teach you a thing or too. Eventually CS someone will beat a little bit of sense into you.

When your fucked up country, the mighty uncle sam COCKSUCKER and his cronies finally let you cruise outside that fucked up island you live on, look me up CUSTARD ARSE and we will go from there. I'm always interested to see CS that you only know how to use other peoples lines, which just goes to prove you are simply a regurgetator. On that note, its only a matter of time until all the sewer that your life in the us of a has been feeding you will start to spew out ur mouth.....AHHH THATS IT, THATS WHATS BEEN HAPPENING ON HERE.

David, whatever you do, create ur new site and somehow give CS the slip mate and let him go back to watching his kiddy porn and all male felching sites.

:-)

Grunt says:

Well, again, dicer (and her many MANY nom de plumes) have rendered the core readership completely disgusted and aliented...thus leaving MS wide open for any google attacks.

Corporate America is a singularly female, and thus feminist, monstrosity. With google being no exception.

The only "explicit content" MS puts forth is the intellectual and spiritual bankrupcy of western matriarchal society. Thus presenting a relief valve of sorts to western men.

That alone is a sin that google will not allow to persist. One would think David would be smart enough to know when, and by whom, he was being laid seige by.

All thats left now is to put dicer in charge is this internet titanic as it plods along towards obscurity.

You earned your 30 peices of silver, dicer.

William Mahanakorn says:

David, many thanks for posting the link. However, apparently, only dyslexics will find the video of Dean Barrett making a fool of himself, wandering about in the humidity in search of a beer and a bar girl. This is most likely the same audience he has in mind for his Patpong Pot Boilers. The link should read:

www.thaipeeps.blogspot.com.

Cheers!
William Mahanakorn

Craig says:

For months now I have read both incite and humor from all.
I have enjoyed the rant but suppose I will never know if Grunt and his cronies could ever have been able to badger or discredit Dicer into submission much less obedience.
No success, as I see it, but they did have a good run.
I will never know for sure if the failure of the site or the madness of Google has anything to do with a connection being established between a crack down on English teachers coupled with the well-known Thai dedication in saving fair maidens from brothels.
Well the possible connection between the four could have been clearly the start of a poignant unfinished Dicer rant.

dingdongrb says:

Hey 'Runt Natzi'.....

It's one thing to bash Common Sense (as he deserves it most of the time), but for you to cut down my country is another matter. Is the belittling of America a way that you show you’re jealous?

The USA is and always will be the economic and military power of the world! Matter of fact in my opinion we are also the brains of the world.

Why is it that everyone in the world wants to live in America and we filter out the scum like you?

By the way, if you're so proud of your background please partake in informing me as to where you are from. And please don't say anything that I'll be able to reply back with negatively as we all know that the best part of you ran down your Mama's leg.

Bandersnatch says:

Yes, Dicer's writing is known for "incite". Mostly, it incites us to rebellion and outright rioting.

Grunt says:

Nice link William, but spare us the moralistic finger-pointing.

And we can safely conclude that craig = one of dicers many MANY alternate nicks.

Road Natzi says:

Dingdongrb,

You are exactly the type of Yankee scum shit that gives ur nation a bad name. Lets face it, the majority of citizens in the USA are educated to the same poor standard, as you. You are educated to think that the USA is the world and the rest of us are insignificant.

I am Australian and very proud to be one. I am also a realist and believe that there are many wonderful countries in the world, including the USA. I can tell you, having travelled extensively, that most people around the world are interested in other countries and cultures....ALL EXCEPT UR CREED. The Yanks would have to be the most self absorbed, self centred race that have ever walked this planet. Of course, its difficult to stereotype all the people from one nation into one group, but from my experience I have never met so many FUCKWITS in one country. Also travelling the world I have met probably the worst American twits, as the very worst of you seem to travel. It never ceases to amaze me how fucked up some of your countrymen are.

I wont just make broad statements about ur nation without examples; ie: I've had dozens of halfwit yanks ask me what part of Europe Australia is in???? Deerrrrrrrr ! FUCKEN DUMB ARSE YANKEE CUNTS. Still I would rather you morons think we're in Europe than travel Down Under to one of the worlds greatest nations.

Lets look at other examples of American shit, lets see theres GEORGE W BUSH and his senile old father. Theres Bill Clinton, his wife and a few dozen whores that Billy was banging right under his wifes nose. "I never has sexual relations with that hamster".

Of course we could referr to all ur gutless military that are killing thousands of innocent people world wide, normally by using weapons of mass destruction......of course we got rid of one looney who was allegedly hiding some weapons somewhere, of course maybe they were in his anal passage....anyway Im sure a few queer countrymen had their noses and tongues right up saddams clacker. NOW WE ONLY NEED TO EXECUTE THOSE OTHER WAR CRIMINALS, GEORGE W and his merry group of gutless thugs.

Of course while the US Military was soaring high above Iraq, Australias SAS were leading the troups on the ground, one could say, making it safe for pussies like urself. History has shown what went on in other wars such as Vietnam....so don't try and defame us, we have the runs on the board.

It is true that America is a relatively strong economic country, however, you have the population to support that. Australia is roughly the same landmass as the USA, however we only have approx 20 million occupants and not as many tax payers etc to compete on that front. However dispite this, we hold our own, our sportsmen and women are some of the best in the world....our swimming team constantly flogs the crap out of ur steroid taking gay motherfuckers.

Not only is the USA large and mighty, its also one dangerous fuck of a place with cunts getting popped every few seconds, some of the murders even happen of serious issues, although most people are slayed for a can of beans or pack of cigarettes. WOW HOW FUCKING GREAT WOULD IT BE TO LIVE THERE !!!

Australia isnt the greatest place in the earth, not the most powerful or even the most scenic (although we definately hold our own there), BUT I AM THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE that there are many nations that are worthy for one reason or another.

You are a complete dipshit mate, please stay in ur fucked up home and stay away from the two places I hold dear to my heart, being Australia and Thailand.

Of course there are many other wonderful places, for example, The United Arab Emirates is devine, Egypt, New Zealand, Greece, Italy, Spain, Malta, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Germany, France, fuck even Mexico is a greater place to visit than half the locations in the states. Lets not forget one of the most beautiful countries in the world Canada, Scottland, Ireland. Then theres little places like the Maldives...YOU DUMB CUNT THERS SO MANY WONDERFUL PLACES, I hope no more ugly arsed yank tank fuckers like urself polute.

Yeah its true, I hate the majority of the USA, some of its places offer extreem beauty, but everytime one of ur ignorant countrymen open there great trap of a mouth its smells like their anus is speaking. I did this, I did that, The USA THIS THE USA THAT !!!

Get over yourself America. Stop being global bullies, but out of shit thats happening on the opposite side of the world and next time ur getting ur asses kicked FUCK OFF AND LEAVE US ALONE....Stop using Economic sanctions to control other less fortunate nations YOU GREEDY CUNTS.

I hope a million planes fly up ur arse DINGDONGRB and then and only then might you and a million or billion other cunts all like yourself realise why AMERICANS ARE THE MOST HATED CUNTS WORLD WIDE....ENOUGH TO MAKE ME WANT TO SUPPORT ISLAMIC FUNDALMENTALISTS.

Ohh and on that note, why don't you charge David HICKS or let him the fuck go....where else in the world could someone be held against their own will and everyone from that cocksucking shithole support such action. At least when Saddam tourtured and held thousands as prisoners the world condemmed his actions....YOU DUMB CUNTS THINK ITS OK FOR YOU DO THE SAME.

DOWN WITH THE USA AND ALL FUCKHEADS LIKE YOU DINGDONGR FUCKING B.

Just in case my message to you is unclear, "GO GET URSELF A CUP OF FUCKOFF AND GROW UP"

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Gentlemen

This site is supposed to be about Thailand.

In the absence of any new articles, I fully understand why things are going off-track but I would like to keep the forum going during this hiatus if at all possible.

Regards
David

Prufrock says:

dingdongrb: You are a cartoon. Prufrock

Prufrock says:

Bandersnatch: Word on the street is that the Thais are working on a spell-check with a sense of smell and a libido.
Prufrock

Stick Kettle On says:

Im rather sad that Mango has gone - and make no mistake about it, its gone... This bird will never fly again, in my opinion. You have to figure without Google on side, David has little to drive revenue. And i doubt Google will come back on side - so thats all for mango, i think. Real shame, was a great site.

However, I am more upset that the little prick keith fucking summers will now be the forefront of websites amongst ex-pats. How the fuck did that cheesy little demented virgin hunting fuck wit land on his feet there? With no ammusment left for ex-pats on the web, we are forced to read summers drivel such as a two fucking thousand word essay on how he met two old women selling honey, invited them to his factory and took pictures and, and... and... thats it. He met two women selling honey, took a few pics and constructed a fucking essay about it.

David, please try and resume some level of your witty outlook on Thai life before that boring cunt summers leads to us all taking the pattay high dive.

Did i mention he is a cunt?

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Hi Stick Kettle On

One of the world's top search engine experts (who also happens to be a Mango Sauce reader) is advising me how to straighten things out with Google and get the sanctions lifted.

Success isn't guaranteed but it's a very promising development.

Regards
David

Clever-falang-name says:

Like omigod, where do these winners hang out? Can I buy you a Chang Light sometime?

Prufrock says:

Gentlemen

This site is supposed to be about Thailand.

Regards
David

dingdongrb: Prufrock is also a cartoon.
Gets out of hand sometimes. Thank you for your patience.
In future my posts will be about Thailand.

Question for all: recently settled expats and old-timers.
Do any of you have comparisons to offer?
Say between the way things were done when you first got here and the present situation?
It's an ongoing saga but an interesting one.
sincerely
Prufrock

Prufrock

dingdongrb says:

Once again, ‘Hey Runt Natzi’……

Very good reply. I expect that from you. Although did you think of it all by yourself or did you get help from some of your “mates”… Mate? Why the frick do you call me ‘mate’? ‘Mate’ means ‘equal’ or ‘couple’ (fit or join). I am nowhere near your equal. I am far superior than the “World Traveling” reject that you are. And for sure I am not your better half as in being a couple. So don’t assume I’m your ‘mate’.

Now as far as the good ole USA, I didn’t say we don’t have problems, I just love my country the same as you love your swimming team (if you call that a freakin sport). I just don’t like low-lifes like you putting down the best country in the world.

Yes, America has gotten it’s nose into a lot of business that it probably shouldn’t have but then again America has given the world a lot that degenerate countries as yours couldn’t. Tell me, what has your country given the world? I am ignorant on the Aussies so give me some examples please. I can tell you, the USA has given the world:

· The car
· The telephone
· Electricity
· Democracy
· Space exploration
· It’s the country that contributes the most to aid and relief when natural disaster strikes other parts of the world
· The IC

I could go on and on but you get my point. Now tell me what has Australia given the world?

Yes, we have ignorant and stupid people in our country. The ones that kill one another over tennis shoes. Or the ones that drown their own children. The ones that cannot even find New York City on a map. But be honest, tell me the Aussies don’t have some stupid folks too. If you can’t then you are a bigger egotistical asshole than I perceive you to be.

And again, I agree with you some of our presidents have made stupid decisions. I don’t disclaim that argument a bit. But then again we have had some mighty fine chiefs of staff. That being Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike, and many more like them. By the way, do you get to choose who you want to head your country? I think not! That’s great freedom…Ha…

You are only caught up with the bad issues with America because I see your jealously is kicking in again. America being the power it is we get the news coverage and poor little Australia doesn’t.

If it weren’t for America you’d probably be speaking Japanese or German now instead of the bullshit that is spooling out of your mouth.

Now as far as the USA not being a beautiful country I guess you’ve never been to my part of the woods, Colorado. It is one of the most beautiful pieces of the USA. Yes, I’ve been throughout the US. The ghettos of Chicago, Brooklyn, Miami, and elsewhere. We have our bad spots. But some of those are due to letting scum slip through our borders. Australia is lucky that it is surrounded by water. This way only the best swimmers on your swim teams get to make it to your borders illegally.

Okay, as I stated here many times, I agree with the bad things that you have said about my country. But it is far better than your country. Don’t bash it. Bash Common Sense all you want but keep my country, which I am proud of for the most part, out of your rambling posts. I love the good old USA and I’m proud I was born and raised there.

….But to frown upon your wishes, I currently live in Thailand and plan on retiring there at the young age of fifty in a couple of years. Can you top that you aborigine killing Aussie?

………And if you’d take a Kleenex, wipe that sperm running down your Mama’s leg, you could have yourself a real ‘mate’, a twin brotha.

Hey David, please don't give up yet. I'm a new viewer and I need my daily fix of ranting with the 'world travelers'. I love your columns whether I agree or disagree. But as a previous post of mine stated, I work in China, live in Thailand, and this is out right damn cheap entertainment for me. Sure beats the sloppy seconds at the GoGo bars behind 'Runt'.

Mr Thaksin, BKKchat.org says:

at the end of the day Davo all l can say is .....
"they still have great little boxes"

l know how you feel mate, l have been banned from bkkchat.org for a while now, no fun being homeless.

as that wog bird always says "l will surviveeeeee hey heyyyy"

Thaxo.

dingdongrb says:

Hey Profuck... Thanks! Yes, 'Superman' is a cartoon if I'm correct you POS.

And don't bash Bandersnatch on his spelling. You can't even get your own handle spelled correctly, 'Mr Perfect'. (I take it you didn't read my reply in the post 'Bangkok newbie gets stuck in'...

JJ should be in BK says:

its a shame mate

i've been reading the site for as long as i can remember, and have read every post.

some of your writing is brilliant, and i have been laughing the office down many times and getting into trouble for it.

i hope taking out the naughty stuff and leaving google safe content wont ruin the great writing and good content.

good luck

Prufrock says:

dingdongrb said: I just don’t like low-lifes like you putting down the best country in the world

And then he said:
America has gotten it’s nose into a lot of business that it probably shouldn’t have -------
(and then)
Now as far as the good ole USA, I didn’t say we don’t have problems -----

I am ignorant on the Aussies -----

of these facts as well:
The car (a Frenchman)
· The telephone (a Canadian)
· Electricity (simultaneously with others)
· Democracy (Greeks 2000 years ago)
· Space exploration (Heil! Werner von Braun a moribund aerospace industry and a pack of x- Nazis)
· It’s the country that contributes the most to aid and relief when natural disaster strikes other parts of the world (US tax dollars to pay US corps. full price for surplus stock)

The ghettos of Chicago, Brooklyn, Miami, and elsewhere (fuck, I'll say). We have our bad spots....

(And then your own) letting scum slip through our borders.(Racist jingoism)

keep my country, which I am proud of (for the most part,) out of your ****rambling posts****.

Can you top that you aborigine killing Aussie? Merkins annihilated tens of millions domestically and continue worldwide to this day - biggest export aid category ? WMD anyone?

China, huh huh huh, yeah whatever dude.

It's ok Dingdong, if mindless uninformed Chauvinism is your game you'll get your fill when you retire here in Bangkok. (Thais are the Eastern Hemisphere distributors of mindless peckersnot like the above out takes from your knee jerk, cliche-ridden post.
So come over and lap it up ching-chongrb ;-)

Oh Yeah, and "we" burned your Capitol to the fucking ground in 1812. Guess who?

95 % of this post is yours back at you, pal ;-)

Prufrock

Bandersnatch says:

dingdonger,

I don't think Prufrock was knocking my spelling. In fact, he has likely already deduced that I was the citywide spelling champion (1964).

No, what he meant was ... erm ... well, ... hmmm, what the hell *did* that mean, P?

Bandersnatch says:

"Do any of you have comparisons to offer?
Say between the way things were done when you first got here and the present situation?"

When I arrived here on Jan 1, 1991 the government was being run by a group of greedy, corrupt, self-serving bastards who were ousted shortly thereafter by the military, who vowed they were going to clean things up. But now, ...

When I first got here, there were a lot of Thai girls who wanted to get into my pants - the part where I kept my wallet. But now, ...

Plus ça change ...

Dana says:

Ok, I'll say it. I will miss Dicer and Tanai Kwai. Of course I will still have both of them calling me at all hours of the day and night with personal questions about their personal lives that they want my input on; but it is not the same as reading their always interesting posts. End of an era.

Prufrock says:

Chingchongrb: I'll concede American supremacy in a few selected areas in order to keep you breathing.
Indeed, murder for sneakers HAS replaced murder for hire as a truly American innovation. American child drownings have replaced the mundane child sacrifice smearing the historical record of the world's less developed jurisdictions. (except in Iraq where the children aren't yours and the ones that ARE yours are , well, um, older, well, um, they, love 'Marka and , want to get shot to pieces in the middle of a dust storm.
Yeah. (Can't really impeach Bush 'cause according to you, you're all in on it.)
So,like, Ok, agreed there has been progress. I'll concede the point.

Regarding the US's immigration problems:
Last time I looked, Superman was an undocumented alien working Stateside without a Green Card. Ask any Wetback, that's a no-no.
Common sense would tell us . . . .

But enough about the USA (more than enough)

What might be your reasons for choosing to retire in Thailand rather than the USA ?

Prufrock
(. . . a comic, darker than most, but a comic no less)

Please excuse recent misspelling (s?) of my screen name. I type this stuff faster than you can think and well, as you well know, such carelessness leads to the sophomoric comic book jingoism by means of which you routinely embarrass yourself.

Proofers

bangkokram says:

Much as I hate off topic rants, lets get a few things straight dingdongrb;

First Car with Internal Combustion Engine - France 1862

First Telephone - Scotland 1876

First Electricity - Dr. William Gilbert UK "First use of the word Electric" 1600

First Democracy - Greece 500BC

First Space Flight - Russia 1957

I'm not America bashing, but lets face it, they're not responsible for everything worthwhile in the world.

After making a mental note, America (Some parts) came 35th on my list of places to live.

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GOOD LUCK David, still waiting for the first person to visit my blog!

Road Natzi says:

Dingdongrb,

Prufers really slams it to you, just shows how ignorant you guys really are. I am not going to cover the points raised by him, however, will reply to ur post.

Firstly, the term 'mate' is used by aussies in varying situations and basically means 'friend'. Of course in your situation you may hear and Australian say to you, "Listen mate, fuck off or i'll punch the shit outa you". Of course this term won't be referred to in your little dictionary you keep by your bed titled, 'Dictionary for trailer trash'.

Secondly, I refuse to comment to a nation of people like you about the treatment of Aboriginals here in Australia, however I will say, I'm not proud of some of the things white australians have done to the Aborigines, but our atrocities never amounted to enslaving certain groups of people for hundreds of years ... Shame America, Shame.

You mention what has Australia done for the world, you think nothing, you are truely a FUCKWIT.

The following list is a small example of what Australians have invented and produced for the world:-

The Combine Harvester, Permacultre, Dynamic Lifter, The Sarich Engine, The differential, The ute, The Black Box Flight Recorder, Rack and pinion steering systems, Hyshot Screamjet Engine, Hills hoist, The electric drill, Latex Gloves, The notepad, The telephane, Postage stamps, Xerox photocopying, Polomyer Bank Notes, Blast Glass (bullet proof glass), REFRIDGERATION, The Wine Cask, The Electric Pacemaker, Penicillian, The bionic ear, Asprin, Spray on Skin for burn victims, Calyx drill, The Thrust Bearing, Moldflow software,The teleprinter.

We conducted the worlds first heart transplant on Fiona Koote in the 80ties. We have leading medical research in the heart, cancer and eye fields.

In relation to helping the world, Australia made the larges single ongoing donation to the countries affected by the Tsnami and sent one of the largest humanitarian teams overseas to assist. I was part of this team and went to Thailand where I worked in the Disaster Indentification team, dealing with thousands of bodies and the process of identifying the deceased and dealing with that situation. Australians lead the world in Disaster Indentification processes as well as 'Search and Rescue' missions.

On this point the people of THAILAND SHOULD HOLD THEIR HEADS HIGH, the way they handled the Tsynami situation, where under extreem conditions they never gave up hope and pushed forward to where they are now. I vaguely remember when one part of the united states went underwater, watching all the trailer trash sitting around bitching about what the government hadnt done for them, SHAME AMERICA SHAME!!!

Listen cocksucker, I could go on, but I won't I don't need to justify the Australian way of life to a peice of trash like you. Your post, just goes to prove that you are one of the YANKEE WANKERS I was refering to.

Australia is not the best country in the world, we are NOT brain washed to think nothing else exists, as mentioned before I believe the world has many amazing countries and people and some of the poorest ones are the best.

As for me fuckhead, I am younger than you and will be formally retired from my organisation 10 years before your retirement of 50 years. I already have a wonderful life in Thailand, during the 4 odd months I am there, my family has been existing in that country for over 25 years. I won't be retiring to Thailand, because retirement for me will always involve making money, of which I manage to bundle a stash from the USA every year. I love thailand to unwind, enjoy the good things in life and watch CLUSTERFUCKS like you and Common Sense lose everything when u fall in love with some bar girl, who empties your pockets with the greatest of eze.

I stick by my original comments and yours just go to prove my point. Prufrock smashes you and Bangkokram also gives u a serve. You are a FUCKWIT and you come from a land of FUCKWITS.

dingdongrb says:

Hey Pure Fuck,

I guess the burning of our capitol wasn’t enough to allow your red ass coats (errr...'cunts') to take over our great country. Was it? Your country back then was no more or no less than the world invading, sticking your noses in everyone’s business America, you think we are today. Why did you all stop? I’ll tell you why. Because you finally figured out that you were no longer the big bully on the block, just the little girlie pussies that you are. We grew up faster than you and became more powerful. That’s part of your jealousy today. Isn’t it? You’re mad because we took your role over and became the power of the planet. Now you want it back so you’re going to cry about what you can’t have/be anymore. Too freakin bad for you little boy. Take your ball and go home.

I guess your smart-ass ignorance about typing so fast that you make spelling errors is rubbing off into your speed-reading too. I suggest you slow down, spit that wiener out of your mouth, put your glasses back on, and read a little closer at my posts. I didn’t say that the USA invented those items, I stated, “I can tell you, the USA has given the world:”

We gave you what you have today and take for granted. Actually let me rephrase that we sold you all that chit. Yes, we took your money. We were and still are the entrepreneurs of the world. We refined those items, like many more, and pocketed big moolah doing so. To bad your freakin Queen wouldn’t allow you the freedom to do the same. Once again your jealously is probably setting in. Go to Nana, Patpong, or Soi Cowboy, get yourself a Chang and chill dude. I know you want to be like me, but that’s impossible. You’re the sperm that ‘Runt’s’ mother wiped from her other leg, ‘mate’.

Like I said before, yes the USA has problems but where in the world don’t? I love my country. I am grateful where I was born and raised and I’m happy that I’m not from your low life neck of the world. As I also said, the USA gets headlined in the news media internationally because we are at the top of the hill and everyone is trying to knock us off. The only time you hear about your country is when Baby Blair is crying and telling everyone he can’t handle his job anymore and wants to quit…… boo hoo hoo… Maybe you should take over, “Mr. Perfect”.

BankokRam, I didn’t say the USA was responsible for “everything worthwhile in the world”. Go back and read my post. I was purely giving ‘Runt’ some examples of what the Americans have contributed to and merely was asking him what the Aussies have provided. I guess he’s off still trying to think of some. So, please sit down with ‘Pure Fuck’ and learn to read a little slower so that you can comprehend the letters in my sentences.

And why do I choose to retire to Thailand? Because I can! Jealous again?

tracy emin says:

Scotland invented the Modern World.

Happy Burns night, folks.

dingdongrb says:

Hmmmm.... Lets see 'Pure Fuck' thinks that a Canadian invented the telephone. 'Runt Natzi' thinks that his fellow 'matey mates' from Australia invented it and poor lil ole 'Bangkokram' thinks it was the Scots.

I guess it goes to show you boys, don’t always believe what you read. That’s why I don’t listen at all to the chit that spools from your tongues.

Well, I guess I lied. I read it for my cheap entertainment. But I sure in the hell don’t believe all the bullchit you tend to search on the Internet and then regurgitate to the rest of us trying to impress us with your absolute dumbness.

Keep em coming, I need some more laughs in place of my medication.

Hahahahahahahaha

By the way ‘Runt’ what search engine did you use to come up with that great list which I’m sure you had no knowledge of before then? Why not use this one and you can see that An Englishman invented the postage stamp. http://www.invention-ifia.ch/Stamps.htm

Now don’t always believe what you read….. Look for yourselves… Which others do, and don’t know how to read (due to lack of educations). I don’t always believe what I read. That’s why the posts from ‘Runt’ and ‘Pure Fuck’ don’t bother me. They are merely entertainment passing away my time in this executive suite I reside at in China until I make my next return home to Thailand.

Waxhead says:

Some Americans know when to stop. Some do not.

Dingdong, quit embarassing your countrymen with your drivel, and this thread will be a better place.

BTW, nice to see the Aussies didn't mention Pavlova, they normally claim that one too.

Wombat says:

dingdongrb

Thanks for reminding all of us how objectionable some Americans can be. You should run for office. From reading your posts you possess 2 of the 3 requirements for a successful politician. You are insufferably arrogant. You are woefully ignorant of the wider world. Can you confirm that you are blinded to everything but your own self advancement therefore achieving the trifecta?

You presume to comment on the plight of Aborigines yet overlook your own country's appalling treatment of Native Americans. Manifest destiny indeed.

Undoubtedly the 20th century was the American century. I have news for you. It is now the 21st century. Which country will be the dominant power both economically & militarily before the end of the century? You should know. You claim to work there.

As a general rule I quite like Americans & in the interests of fairness I don't believe that Road Natzi's above post does the rest of us any credit.

dingdongrb says:

Waxie,

I take it your not from the USA or you would standing up to those that bash your country as well.

Like I first stated when the America bashing begun, "It's one thing to bash Common Sense (as he deserves it most of the time), but for you to cut down my country is another matter.".... (Speaking to the 'Runt Natzi' as he began the country bashing.)

I guess it became a 'pissing contest'. I'm so cold I piss ice cubes.

Sorry if I hurt your 'feelers'.

I'll stand down now. But hopefully if anyone belittles your country you're proud enough (and man enough) to stand up to them. But then again maybe you're not.

anon. says:

If and when Mangosauce returns, I hope the author will take action to reduce the amount of verbal flatulance generated by this lot.

Prufrock says:

We are not anti-American any more than somebody can be anti-Maltese or anti-Thai so shove that idea up your ass. And stop crapping on those fellow Americans who are patently embarrassed by your nit-wit jive assed stupidity. We and millions of your fellow Americans are are anti-ignoramus.

But my, my, Chingchongrb. Aren't you in a flat spin? The truth hurts, doesn't it?
And from the look of all these posts it's really "Go time" I'd say.

Of course how can our posts be anything but biased against your beloved "'Marka". After all, anybody can see that the facts themselves are biased. The truth and the history are biased. I mean what good are historical truths and facts if they can't be twisted to start a war or hide the fact that Tom Hanks hit the beach about 21/2 years after the war started for everyone else because you guys were still busy trying to decide if you loved the Nazis or the Brits!
Americans with guts had to come to Canada to join the RAF!
And don't get me started on your love affair with the Leon Urine version of how 'Marka has supported the Sal Mineo justification for the stealing of Palestine and starting all the shit that provides a focal point for worldwide jihad.
Thanks 'Marka for all the morons like chingchong who don't know a fucking thing.
(Bechtel executive no doubt)

Wait'll you see what China has in store for you peckerwits ;-)

Special thanks to Roadster, Waxhead, bangkokgraham, Wombat and the silent informed majority who make up the bulk of Mango Sauce's readership but can't be arsed to post because long-winded bastards like us have the situation well in hand.

And Chingchongrb? Blow it out yer ass big fella.

Respectfully
Proofralk

Mac says:

"I guess it goes to show you boys, don’t always believe what you read."
You would do well to take your own advice, Dingdong.

If you can turn off the Star Strangled Blather for a moment, the fact is that while America likes to claim Alexander Graham Bell, the man generally credited with inventing the telephone, as one of their own, that is not strictly true. Bell did become a U.S. citizen, but not until 1882, seven years after inventing the telephone, at which time he was a Canadian citizen, albeit working in the U.S.
He was Scottish by birth and spent his first 23 years there before moving to Canada.

So first and foremost he was a Scotsman, secondly a Canadian, and eventually one of the "scum that slipped through" the borders of your exalted land.

He spent most of his later years in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia ('New Scotland'), no doubt to get away from uncouth, loudmouthed ignoramus yankees like yourself.
Note that I am not belittling America here.
I'm belittling you.

dingdongrb says:

Hey Mac,

Did I really say anything about Bell discovering the telephone? No I didn’t, so don't assume (makes an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me').

I was merely stating that America took the front running and started commercialization of it. Making the World into a communicating society.

So don't go thinking that you can understand what I'm writing. Hell I can't even do that at times.

And yes, go on and belittle me for all it's worth to you. But I dare you to try it to my face rather than through your searches on the Internet trying to find out who really invented the phone. (I'm sure that your history class didn't tell you everything that you just looked up on the Internet.)

I'm wondering how some of you all really made it in life with looking up chit on the Internet.

Hey ‘Prufrock',

Did I actually say anything about the Americans not killing the American Indians? No, I didn't! I merely made a statement about the ole high and mighty Aussie country not being perfect. Trying to show the ignorant 'Road Natzi' that his country is not perfect either.

I see it hits a nerve when others talk about how bad your countries are. Now you can understand how I felt when you all go bashing the USA. Can't take it. Then as I said, 'take your ball and go home.'

I for one am not for bashing anyone's country. I don't bash Thailand. And I'm surely not bashing China. I see what China has in store for the world. I live here everyday. Yes, time and history changes and I'm just glad that you won't be around at the end of this century babbling about how 'I told you so.'

I'm merely saying don't bash the country I am proud of. All of our countries have problems. There not one that doesn't.

It seems like most of you get your kicks cutting everyone down and the things about them. (No wonder this world is at war.)

Debating is one thing, but the criticism that some of you place in here is something else. Now I have stooped to your level of play. Shame on me. I have now stopped. Please pick up your ball and go home unless we can play nice together?

By the way, being as ignorant as I am, what do you mean referring to “Bechtel executive no doubt”?

dingdongrb says:

David,

I apologize for getting way off subject and for expressing my love of my country. I am new to this site as I mentioned before. I will mind my ‘Ps’ and ‘Qs’ and refrain from this again. I guess I’ll play the old adage of, ‘Sticks and Stones…….’

I hope that you will accept my sincere apology and overlook my stupidity of this.

Thanks,
dingdongrb (a proud American)

fbuom says:

I'm a Yank, currently working in the land of Oz. I've spent some time in the UK, too.

Quite frankly, if I were a citizen of them, what I've read in the papers in all of those countries would make me blush!

Or does make me blush, in the case of my own country. We all know about Dubya, but what about the those bashing my country:

Thugs rioting at the Australian Open ring a bell, anyone?

"[O]ur atrocities never amounted to enslaving certain groups of people for hundreds of years ... Shame America, Shame."

Strictly speaking, the first few hundred years of that enslavement was under British rule. We waited only about 75 years after our independence to outlaw slavery. And whose ships (and economic interests) brought the slaves to the US (and the Caribbean) in the first place?

So let's keep the forum on-topic and leave the country-bashing out of it. We've all got our share of embarrassments. Country bashing only shows the ignorance/intolerance of those who stoop so low.

And David, I certainly hope you can resuscitate Mango Sauce. It's been a joy to read, after scrolling past the windbags and tirades;-)

Grunt says:

"If and when Mangosauce returns, I hope the author will take action to reduce the amount of verbal flatulance generated by this lot." - anon.

This site has been reduced to dicer literally having long winded conversations with herself. Just change names and viola...snooze city!

David allows this, and has paid the price. Likewise, if the admin hasnt learned the lesson by now, no amount of screaming will bring him around to reality.

Any webpage after this will be doomed to failure as well the moment hot Thai girls or bloated western mingers are discussed.

Prufrock says:

Some of my oldest and dearest friends are Americans. And yes, the United States of America is truly a great country, magnificent in many respects.
The excitement of New York or Boston or even the difference in the vibe when you go Stateside at Niagara Falls are all palpable.
I love the feeling distinct and unique to each place. There are also other places to see. Paris, London, Rome, Bangkok and Nong Kai.
If one judges by the lineup of refugees in front of any American consular office in any country one is glomming onto a false paradigm to gauge the worth of the USA. It's worth far more than that particular spectacle of desperation.
No one was hammering on dingdongrb because he loved his country.
He knows that but he reacted the way he did anyway hoping to get support for a load of propaganda that just isn't factual but which plays well off the barstool at Akademia Nana Plaza after seven beers.
As a Bechtel executive he should know better.

Jack Wow says:

David, to keep MS going could you not sell ad space to other Thai websites and businesses rather than rely solely on adbrite? I'm sure there's plenty out there who would pay you a monthly fee for a banner that would be seen by 100,000 plus a month.

Mac says:

Dingdongrb wrote:
"Hmmmm.... Lets see 'Pure Fuck' thinks that a Canadian invented the telephone ... and poor lil ole 'Bangkokram' thinks it was the Scots.
I guess it goes to show you boys, don’t always believe what you read."
And:
"Did I really say anything about Bell discovering the telephone? No I didn’t, so don't assume ..."

I didn't assume anything. You clearly implied that those guys didn't know what they were talking about; I showed that they were both correct.

And I certainly didn't have to look it up on the internet (who's the one making assumptions, Dingdong?); this stuff is common knowledge to anyone with a basic education. (As a matter of fact, my history class *did* give me all that information. Apparently yours didn't.)

You say you are proud of your country, but your brand of patriotism is chauvinistic and unbecoming; I don't know how proud America would be of you.

You yourself have admitted to being stupid. I can't disagree with you on that score.

Whippet says:

The problem there, Mr Wow, is that by attracting direct advertisers as opposed to agency managed advertising (such as AdBrite, Google AdWords, etc.) David has to one way or the other deal with these people himself. When his anonymity goes, so will he - exactly as happened to Stickman.

David: Have you researched the 301 redirect thing re: Google Adwords? I can't find a link but I am sure I have read before about banned sites trying this before but Google simply follow the 301 and ban the new domain too.

-----------

Hi Whippet

Thanks for the tip. I'll follow that up.

Regards
David

Andy says:

To: The US-AUS discussion forum:

During WWII (and some recent wars)Australians and North-American troops fought side by side in various parts of the world.....when they fall, the blood of American soldiers is as red as the one of the Australians' .....

Point: we are all trying to make this world a better place, do it our own way, at the end of the day we are all on the same side...stop this polemic and enjoy Thailand and a couple of beers together!

thebamboorat says:

What has America given the world?

Keith F**cking Summers that's what!!!

nuff said.

Errant says:

The problem with all this nation bashing is not so much that it's tiresome but that it's unfeasible. Barstool generalizations don't work when the human being is spoken of in the plural. The answer? Sealand, population 1. This is a terrible country and should be bashed repeatedly. Google it for a couple of nice pictures. You'll see it doesn't even qualify as one of the flyblown places because there can't be any out there.

Bash Sealand. It feels good and is plausible.

Common Sense says:

Your all a bunch of dumbfucks trying to measure your peckers up against each other this time. We've got dipshits here trying to justify the Aussies treatment of Aborigines by saying that Americans mistreated Indians. Well when the US was a British colony Britian, France, Spain, and a few other European countries shed some Native American blood while using the same manifest destiny pretext. Whoopity Doo. Selfish bastards should have been more willing to share.

Now lets talk the slave issue. Oh fuck it lets not even talk about it, just answer this question. Is there one country throughout history that was not involved in the slave trade at some point in time.

I know the US, Britain, Spain, Germans, French, Iraqi's, Egyptians, Japanese, Chinese, Italians, Greeks, Russians, and damned near all of the rest of the countries did at some point. Or did we forget about this.

As for American inventions, HA, anyone could make a case that the inventor was from another country since the US is an immigrant country with the most ethnically diverse background in the world. Hell I'm damn near full blooded German, but you won't ever hear me boasting about that. I'm American all the way.

You should all bitch slap yourselves for this ignorance.

Road Natzi says:

Happy Australia Day 26 January !!!!

Lets be honest Common, I never said Australia was the best, nor did I suggest that we had nothing to be ashamed of. I know better than most because the occupation I say I have is the ACTUAL OCCUPATION I have and sometimes I think I have just about seen everything. I just took objection to that ole antage which seems to be punched up the yankees arse's from a very young age "GO THE STRIPES...ONLY AMERICA EXISTS.

To Keep to the topic David and the topic is actually 'Mango Sauce is hiatus' I was thinking (yes that did hurt prufers), is there anything ur readers can do by the way of contacting google regarding your current problems. No matter what way you look at 'human society' we either flex and move for the majority or at the other end of the scale, 'the minority'. Either which way, if theres 100,000 readers everymonth or even just 80,000 readers and common sense, who has 20,000 attempts to log in each month (fuckin dumb arse yank tank) then surely that must mean something to google.

Perhaps if you adopt a new 'code of conduct' or something similar for posters and keep ur new stories to some standard, then google might allow you to rim their arse just a little more.

Of course, this could mean the end of the Roadster on Mango, but hey, lifes a bitch, you marry one, you have one, then one runs you over and you die.

Anyway, I could always threaten google with the roadster in head office or something like that, generally my height and weight normally puts ppl off, but if they wernt threatened by that, I could always pull my cock out and stand in the google foyer and have a good ole American wank !!!!

I don't know David, no situation is ever hopeless, is it???

Road Natzi says:

Andy,

Brother, I'd love to have beer with you, like to see prufers and No Common Sense and every other cunt including David for a beer, especially if it was in my bar, I have many ladies and they think ur all sexy men....if we do it this way, I can make some more mula and won't have as far to carry commons head, after its cut off his scrawney neck, I've got the perfect place for it, right out the back ........ one of thailands loveliest toilets, nearly as trashy as commons mouth.

I like the beer idea, everyone over to my place !!!

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

If you weren't country bashing, then what was, "[B]ecause you guys were still busy trying to decide if you loved the Nazis or the Brits!"

The response is, of course, I guess, like the British royal family, we still had a lot of relatives in Germany.

Fbuom

dingdongrb says:

Hey Mac,

Did your classroom ever teach you about Antonio Meucci? He was Italian.

Nice education you got from that Cracker Jack box. hmmmmmmm

Yeah you sure showed me that the prize in the box is ignorance....bahhhhh

I suggest you lay off the Changs for a while and save you hard earned satang and get a real education, you fucking moron.

Prufrock says:

Common's dumb re-frame gambit: "make a case that the inventor was from another country" is, not surprisingly what’s under discussion"

dingdongrd's intentions and their implications were quite clear.
Unfortunately, until somebody actually
stepped up and exposed all of them as FALSE or propaganda, jingoists and chauvinists like dingdongrb are more than happy to let their bogus claims stand by default.

WMD-Saddam-9/11 "logic" is all too "Common Sensical" and the result of this kind of thinking is painfully clear to us.

One does not "debate" facts.
One may add information, challenge their veracity but when defeated, one must admit one was wrong to have stated what one stated.
One is not entitled, after having "tried one on", and after having been hammered into reneging, to seek respite in claims of "boredom" and claims that all the other posters are driven away by this or that no one is interested. Or that the subject is suddenly “off topic”
and that out of consideration for the sensibilities of the webmaster and other posters the discussion should end. One’s penchant for gentility may find another outlet.

One admits one's mistake and if one has any manners one thanks one's adversary for the pains he took to research the truth of the matter at hand.
Neither does one opine on the validity of Google gleaned factoids any more than one would denigrate other sources UNTIL they have been discredited with better information.

Please read this carefully.
Bell invented the telephone in Canada while he was a Canadian and he made the first call from Brantford, Ontario. That's what's called an historical fact.
Bell's subsequent immigration history may be of interest but it does NOTHING to reverse this chronology or change this fact.
(His retirement in Nova Scotia speaks volumes however.)
As well, the possibility that someone may or may not have Googled this truth or learned it as a child does not change its veracity. Do you have better information? No? Then accept THIS information gracefully and move on because there is no conflict here.

An American did not invent the god damned fucking telephone no matter how many ill-educated "patriots" chime in to say that one did. (Or as in the case of chingchongrb get a big ole "Buford lip" on while shouting everybody down in the name of Old Glory.

(9/11 won't change the facts.
Subsequent Jihadi facts and realities won't change facts.
And 'Markin hegemony won't change facts.

We are NOT taking a survey here a la Family fucking Feud, the old TV show that ascribed degrees of "truthiness" to an item in proportion to the number of audience idiots who said it was true.

Prufrock says:

fbuom
That and Dubya's grandaddy's bank and US Amb. Joe Kennedy's getting booted out of England for his "ties" to the Reich (scrap iron deal) ITT, and a myriad of multinationals were in bed with the Nazis.
That whole America First crowd was a treat, wasn't it?
Oh yeah sure the Windsors, Errol Flynn, Lindburgh and the rest. There were plenty. Then all these cunts sold out plaestine to cover their asses.
Speilberg never gets it straight.
His fawning Schindler thing was pure bullshit. Treblinka was certainly painted over pretty good. etc. etc.
Nobody's clean. (Not one f*cking Indian in Newfoundland . . . $5 per head for a Beotuk right up until 1913)

We're picking up the cheque for all this shit at the moment, I'm afraid.

Jack Wow says:

Wippet
Stickman was brought down by one deranged stalker, not because he lost some of his ad revenue by showing his face to a few folks.
As for remaining anonymous and collecting the bucks - it's glaringly obvious how you get around that.

Anonymous says:

Common: Is there one country throughout history that was not involved in the slave trade at some point in time.(?)

Yep. Canada for one. But I guess that's not a real country to some people.

Mac says:

Dingdong:
Nothing you've written has has done anything to alter the perception of you as an uncouth, loudmouthed, chauvinistic ignoramus. Quite the opposite.

With your utterly juvenile 'Cracker Jack box' and 'fucking moron' remarks standing in for reason and fair comment, there's not much need for me to belittle you any further. You're doing that very well all by yourself.

Common Sense says:

Road Natzi,
"I know better than most because the occupation I say I have is the ACTUAL OCCUPATION I have and sometimes I think I have just about seen everything."

Have you been taking speech lessons from Rumsfeld?

Anonymous,
Canada was not involved in slavery, eh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada

I rest my case, eh.

Maple Syrup says:

Common Nonsense,
Your right! According to Wikipedia, Canada had slavery until 1763 when it was abolished. 100 years later in 1863, Lincoln abolished slavery in the US.
And Alexander Graham Bell was a Canadian citizen when he invented the telephone. So take off, eh!

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

You didn't answer my question. You simply tried to mis-direct.

Was it, or was it not country bashing on your part?

You also seemed to overload your list with Yanks and 'multinationals'. You seemed to forget Neville Chamberlain and, 'Peace in Our Time'? 1938, about the same time we Yanks were trying to decide who we loved (or maybe hated) most. He was highly regarded for that until it became clear what had really happened in Munich.

By the way, do the math. 21/2 years - almost to the day - before Tom Hanks walked ashore (I didn't see the movie, we're talking D-Day, right?), was Pearl Harbor. I don't think we were trying to decide who we loved or hated after that point. I think we were fighting along side Aussies, Brits and others in the Philipines, China, North Africa, Italy, among other places, during those 21/2 years.

Did we wait to get involved? Yes. Did we have conflicting views? Yes. But we mostly hoped it would remain a European squabble that, as a minor world power (remember, France and Britain were still at the top in 1938), we could avoid. We wanted to put our own economic and political interests first. That included the well-documented isolationist policy of goverment.

Oh, but we did provide war materials support to 'the allies'. At a profit? Probably, but we didn't do the same for Germany.

Seems everyone needs to get their facts straight.

fbuom

fbuom says:

David,

Whatever Profrock's response, that was my last post off-topic. And since I can't do much beyond hope for the best for you and MangoSauce, possibly my last post at Mango Sauce

Of course I'll continue to read.....

One last - a bit off-topic - thought:

Those reduced to using obscenities, profanities, vulgarities and name-calling in conversation (or debate) have nothing else to offer.

Whippet says:

Jack, I agree with you. Sadly a few too many people know who Stickman is and one nutter did what he did.

David can easily accept payments by paypal or whatever and I personally feel this is the way he should go (but not write articles to match his advertising, though). Thing is, I really see David's point regarding Google Adwords because it is so easy.

Common Sense says:

Maple Syrup,
By your logic I am to assume that since Canada abolished slavery before other countries your better than we are and have less guilt on your hands, eh? Remember the northern half of the US didn't have slaves either, eh.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night, eh.

I really could care less what happened all those years ago, I wasn't involved so why the fuck should I get a bad reputation for it, eh.

Go buy a whore and STFU, eh.

dingdongrb says:

Maple Syrup,

First of all, get your facts straight. Bell did not invent the phone (much to Prufrock's belief). Bell was merely the first to patent it. That's like saying the Aussies invented the wheel... See

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~gfx/Courses/
2002/BigData/papers/Misc/Wheel%20Patent.pdf

PurProck,

As I stated before, my original thread regarding America and the phone had no intentions as stating an American being the inventor (please slow down your speed-reading, go back and re-read).

Now if you think Bell invented the phone, so be it, you have a right to your own opinion, as I do mine.

But since you seem so humble to know it all tell me why did Bell move to America?

By the way, why do you keep bringing up 9/11, and you tend to 'black-out' of your so great cranium 7/7? There are those out there that hate your country as much as they do mine.

Prufrock says:

fbuom No. The USA's historical record, stripped of the shameless editorializing, misrepresentation and propagandizing you people lather onto it to make it acceptable for consumption by school-age children is not country bashing.

Re: overloading. I guess that's how you refer to information you don't like.

Your country has a lot to answer for.
I love the questions Cesar Chavez is asking these days.
Lost the war against Cuba as well, didn't you?
See you clowns in the movies.

Carrie says:

Hey Toad Nutzi!
Where is this bar of yours? I want to take you up on that offer of a beer.....

Your dear friend Carrie xx

Prufrock says:

NONSENSE, fbuom
See folks? This stuff is endemic to the US mindset. It’s a scourge on clear thinking.
You didn't answer my question.

Answered with evidence and back-up that you re-drew as fluff. That’s what you knobs do when faced with the evidence.

Was it, or was it not country bashing on your part? NO

You also seemed to overload your list with Yanks and 'multinationals'. PROOF You seemed to forget Neville Chamberlain and, 'Peace in Our Time'? 1938, about the same time we Yanks were trying to decide who we loved (or maybe hated) most. NAW YOU’RE THREE or FOUR YEARS OFF THERE MR. HIGH ROAD
He was highly regarded for that until it became clear what had really happened in Munich. (BY AMERICA FIRSTERS AND THE ISOLATIONISTS
By the way, do the math. (simple ARITHMATIC on the rest of the planet) 21/2 years - almost to the day - before Tom Hanks walked ashore (I didn't see the movie, we're talking Pearl Harbor, right? WRONG - SAVING PRIVATE SPIELBERG).

SO the rest of your blurb re: the Philippines, China, North Africa etc and your whole perception of what happened then is ass backwards as is your whole perception of history as it pertains to the US.
But that’s Ok we’ve come to accept this from you people. It’s just that when you then try to take the high road that it all becomes insupportable. Your whole rebuttal re: Philippines, China, North Africa, Italy, among other places, during those 21/2 years. is chronologically and historically out of sync with your theme.

Then your: But we mostly hoped it would remain a European squabble (?) LOVE THAT WORD that, as a minor world power (remember, France and Britain were still at the top in 1938), we could avoid. We wanted to put our own economic and political interests first. That included the well-documented isolationist policy of goverment. (Wish that’d stuck for the rest of the century)

Oh, but we did provide war materials support to 'the allies
YEAH, after trading with the enemy THE AXIS of GERMANY, ITALY and JAPAN! had gone public (see Joe Kennedy's expulsion as US Ambassador - the padding I already supplied, ninny) public .

Probably, but we didn't do the same (trade) for Germany.
THIS IS JUST NOT TRUE

Seems everyone needs to get their facts straight. JUST YOU, PAL
JUST YOU, MR. HIGH RD., JUST YOU

Now I'VE had enough of this straightening out of your twisted version of the truth. Get lost!

Road Natzi says:

David,

Who ever thought that your article on "Mango Sauce is on hiatus" would lead to the start of WWIII ???

Of course being the typical male Australian arsehole that I am, I cannot help myself when it comes to winding people up....and let me tell you CS is a classic. Of course Dingdongrb would hold a candel to CS but obviously they need each other to 'Rim' each others 'Freckle' for stimulation.

I was just reading through a few of you various stories and the posts that follow and I could help but imagining some old dear accessing the site in order to obtain a 'Mango Sauce' receipe, only to get caught up into some of these debates, which leave even the clueiest people left asking the question 'Where the fucks all this going'.

When you finish jumping through all the hoops that Google holds up and everything comes good for you, I was wondering if the 'New and all improved Mango Sauce' could offer the availability for various 'bloggers' to leave recorded messages. Its not that I really want to hear the high pitched squeal of CS voice, but it would add a item of interest to the site, especially amoungst your most aggressive posters.

Of course, if you do this, I can promise you that I would never record the sounds of me giving it to some Issan bitch up the arse cos "You know what happens when ur fucking the fuck hole and you miss with a shot and hit the muck hole" .... ahhh its a sweet sound ;-)

Also David, I can't remember where I posted a suggestion to you regarding a CODE OF CONDUCT. Of course anyone breaching the CODE, could simply be placed on a 'week ban' two week, 35 year etc etc. I for one believe that one can be 'witty' without using obscene volgaraties......although reading thru a couple of my posts, ive managed to shock myself and I want to take this opportunity to appologise to all those I've offended, with the exception of 'A mother', 'carrie' and ahhh, that will do. There you have it 'Common Sense', "I am sorry mate" and I take back most of my 'poor taste' comments about my brothers and sisters in the US of A.

I guess, I could offer a cop-out excuse for my bad behaviour but that would be a 'cop-out' and I believe that I should be held accountable for my actions. Perhaps we could get some thai sweetheart to give me 50 lashes ;-)

I'm being 'Pro-active' here, hoping I can help you come up with some ideas for making the new mango, more attractive to google. Ohhh and if you think it helps, I could flex my muscles as a 'Google' shareholder and if they won't come to the party I will put my $250 worth of google shares up for sale, that'll teach em !

Jack Wow says:

I remember reading David saying Paypoo froze his account, and with the huge cuts they take I would be inclined to give them a wide birth anyway.

www.paypalsucks.com

Dizz says:

I never elected republican scums.
The US is both serpent and good
heart.
Duh.
As is most countries.
Thailand to this US dude is not
lending to cliche. You just gotta
experience the place, and you still don't know.
Just every guidebook gets it wrong, don't it?
I do hate censorship, so I hope this site remains.
It still amazes me that people think
they know anything.
---Dizz
P.S. Hi to Dana. Regards off
the Charles.

My Cat Is Smarter Than PruNatzi says:

The preceding posts demonstrate nicely how the site could better appeal both to Google and to sane people...just delete the endless, pointless, alcoholic, hate-filled rants of the Prufrock/Road Natzi "person" (too much convenient sychronicity in these posts...I doubt it's really two people, but I don't really care either... the hatred and ignorance is interchangeable). Prunazi posts nothing about Thailand, just endless hate for the USA and Jews, combined with degenerate obscenities and gay hissy attacks on anyone who dares challenge anything Poointheroad posted that managed to even be coherent enough to be challenged. Just how desperate for a life do you have to be to go on and on and on about which country Bell was a citizen of? What kind of a pathetic person creates multiple identities in order to post agreement with himself? (Prufrock has admitted to three, it's obvious there are more)

Prufrock says:

dingdongrb: Your substandard/fatally flawed research and the
conclusions you people draw from this "research" are why the USA is in such deep, deep trouble.

Common is currently looking for work. How 'bout you clear out a spittoon over there at Bechtel/Beijing so the two of you can start up a think tank?

36% wanted to impeach Clinton
41% wanted to gas Nixon

51% of 'Markins want to impeach Bush/Cheney... RIGHT NOW ! Before they sacrifice more American lives to their delusions.

If you lived in anything resembling a democracy they'd be in jail.

Now I will muster every shred of self control I have (not much, I admit) and attempt once again to follow Mr. Road Natzi's example of respecting our host and staying out of any further silly exchanges with morons like you two.

Prufrock

TANAI KWAI says:

Road asks,

"Who ever thought that your article on "Mango Sauce is on hiatus" would lead to the start of WWIII ???"

Truth be told, this savagery is nothing new under such circumstances.

*********

David,

The quality of the site is due entirely to your fine stories, which are the glue (or goo) that keeps the readership intact. When you do not post, the otherwise mild-mannered regulars give voice to their most primitive, animal urges. The hideous blood-letting that ensues makes "Lord of the Flies" look like brunch at The Oriental.

We wanted to spare you this, but on your last holiday we actually roasted and ate a young fat boy who used to post here under the name "pinkass78." As Dana passed around ragged strips of the lad's tender, greasy flesh we wondered aloud, "I wonder when David's coming back?" Then we slept.

...

(cheers)

Posted by TANAI KWAI | August 11, 2004 11:21 PM

Prufrock says:

Cat Whisperer: Ok. So now we know that Dean Barrett has a cat. What could be more irrelevant to this forum??

I was waiting for someone like you to blame all us anti 'Markins for David's censorship by Google. A classic smear.
Then the anti-Semitic smear (a classic)
Dean, you are a cunt-struck jingoist fruitcake. :-)
Self-admitted "cat-fancier".

In these critical times, during the run-up to an inevitable American/Israeli NUCLEAR ATTACK on Iran, my commentary on Israeli and US expansionist war-mongering, (NOT against Jews and Americans you re-framing, highroad-scrambling jack-ass) while off-topic, are perfectly legitimate.

The "Bell-Canada" issue was a minute part of a response to a tedious default-monkey who had been laying claim to all and everything great in the name of 'Marka. (A true Buford)
You know all that, Dean, but you posture as you do ANYWAY because you are a shameless hate-mongering propagandist from the Karl Rove school of calumny.

The many anti-war posters on this site and the many thousands of non-posting anti-war readers of this site and on the web in general know all about people like you.
I'll take your "combined-guilt" gambit where you attempt to join me with Mr. Road Natzi is a compliment. Roadster is his own man. He and millions of people like him and like me span the web.
We read, we inform ourselves and we have brains of our own. We do not permit others to do our thinking for us.

But you, on the other hand, your weakly attempted calumnies speak volumes.
Most importantly they betray your status as just another pro-war astro-turfer.

My so-termed "admission" of two other identities was a freely played open- handed prank . . far from the sinister motives with which you sought to smear me. I "admitted" it six times without prompting. It was a joke. Ironic play.

And I don't know Road Natzi and the countless millions of others -Jews like Chimsky and Norman Finklestien among them- who, thanks to your murderous government now look with suspicion on EVERYTHING your country and Israel does. But I agree with them.

I call you people 'Markins.
You do not represent the USA I grew up with.

I say you are an utter f*cking scourge on what's left of humanity

And millions MILLIONS would agree.

Congratulations.

Prufrock

Prufrock says:

Dammit. Absolutely no self control. (It's a Bangkok thing ;-)
Yo, Road Nazti, can you beat Barrett's turd-blossom trial-balloon where he advances that you and me and anyone else who questions the current 'Markin insanity afoot on the planet must all be one person?
I guess it's easier to squawk when you re-frame the multitude down to one person and characterize it as a fool.
Being under-estimated DOES have its advantages though, right?
By the way, what's the source of your new-found savoir-faire? Is there some sort of internet charm school you know of that I could attend?

Road Natzi says:

Gentlemen,

I use the term 'Gentlemen' lightly. You are all off the fucking topic again. THAILAND THAILAND THAILAND THAILAND !!!!
CRIPES.

As I read the various 'posts' over the last week or two, I continually see David requesting that you stay on topic, fuck that aint hard. Lets face it, when it comes to it THAILAND is one hell of an amazing past. As I read through what most have to say, with the exception of those fuckwits smoking 'YABAH', in those half star hovals at the back of Pattaya & those fuckwits who want to get to the half star hovals but claim their own government despite being in charge of the greatest place in the world has put a 'travel ban' on all those little boys with 1/4 inch dicks (see common, i didnt mention you by name). What I am trying to say as I can see posts such as prufrocks and dicers which relate around the topic being answered by some cocksuckers cat etc in such a fashion that one could be mistaken from thinking that the post has nothing to do with THAILAND. Who in fucks name ever mentioned Jews.

Lets face it, if you want to talk about Religion or beliefs, THAILAND is about BUDDHIST, of course there are a few other beliefs in THAILAND but thats where the clear majority lays. WHO THE FUCK EVER MENTIONED THE JEWS, seriously stay on the fucking topic you you you, I promised david I would tone it down, but seriously.

Some Pharkwit, actually is stupid enough to claim that Prufers and I are the same person. Any idiot (even cs) could see that Prufers is somewhat of an articulate writer, who take a little bit of time to 'get it right'. On the other hand, most of my blurts are an example of a 'freak out of control' (Geeze I really dont have this beating myself up thing right, yet....COMMON, I NEED YOUR HELP....Ahh thats right I am, I was, I, I, I, my country is, was, my country, my country) WHATEVER !!!

Please try and stay on topic people, it aint that hard.

David, why are you ignoring me, are my suggestions too simplistic for you or are you just busy or being an arse??? Do I have to find you and give you the type of beating I gave the stick (that isnt even funny is it?)

Ok then, I think we are all in for a surprise with Davo, hes a bit of a 'Dark Horse' and Im not referring to his late night Dungeon visits either, woops there I go giving up some of my watering hole secrets. At least David ur not down at the bar for little men with little weapons, where cs hangs out in a little grass tu tu.

mds says:

::sigh:: I do NOT believe I am doing this... I know better, but I just cannot help myself.... boredom, I guess.

Prufrock spewed:
"Your country has a lot to answer for.
I love the questions Cesar Chavez is asking these days."

So what exactly is he asking these days, Prufrock? I assume you are channeling him because he died a while back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez

Perhaps you are referring to Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela? Who truly IS asking some interesting questions. Or is it "All those brown people look alike...You know who I meant... the name doesn't matter!!"

Idiot.

Regards,

mds

Road Natzi says:

Prufers,

I just stopped on the head of a little jin-jock, I was laughing so much.

You don't need to goto school my friend, you are out of control as it is, a school for this would do you no good.

It amazes me what some of these twits do mate, when they feel threated by people. It would be easy for a 'slut' like Carrie to think that everyone on the site is just one person, she would be thinking this way because just about every poster, gives her a serve...but hey apparently thats how she likes it, white slut trailer trash (sorry david).

Carrie, sweetheart, I would let you know where the bar is, but we are DEFINATELY NOT trying to attract clientelle like you, you see we are in the business of making money, not entertaining gaint arsed mingers like yourself. You see if you come into the bar, you will probably scare the majority of the thai honeys I have in there, the will probably take the night off, all the blokes are going to walk straight past the bar making comments like, "Did you see the skid marks on her trousers" and "Was that a nose or a wart" or "It looks like two spastics are fighting inside her tent sized trousers".

FORGET IT CARRIE, no matter what way I look at it darling, you are bad for business. We are not running a circus freakshow, we are running a bar, I can spell it out, we are selling beer, cocktails and pussy......you just don't fit in and even if I drank all of Thailands beer and cocktails and all the pussy left the town and you were the only 'female' type thing in the country (we know ur female from the stench of ur rotten fish) THERE WOULD BE NO NOOKIE MY DARLING, YOUR JUST TOO FUCKING UGLY.

Anyway, if you want to visit one of my regular haunts, north of Bangkok, slide up to the glitzy pub in Kan.... (Bit of a cowboy joint) But when the boys start bashing out a few tunes, don't be surprised if a thai guy two gallon head wearing a twenty gallon hat tries to ride you like the beast that you are.
Of course after your completely humailiated there head into one of thailands best nightclubs there and check out the talent on stage, some of thailand sexiest pussy...and you can see what the real women look like.

Common Sense says:

What happened to Dicer. Haven't seen him here or on Tanai's site in awhile.

Prufrock,
Take your prozac, I know your anti-americanism is just bursting out of you, but at least give others time to respond before making further posts. Three posts in a little over an hour without even being put on the site is a little much.

You are a seriously disturbed individual if you let US foreign policy get so much under your skin that it has consumed your life, thoughts, and dignity so much that you have to litter MangoLand with you anti-americanism.

Your right about one thing though. There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS who who agree with you in thinking that Americans are the utter fucking scourge of the earth. Fortunately, that leaves BILLIONS and BILLIONS who disagree with you.

Now go masturbate and relieve some of that built up tension.

Carrie says:

HEY TOAD NUTZI!
Wassa matter? Too scared to give me the name of your bar huh? Typical keyboard warrior, too scared to face real life. Sqwaaaaaaaak, sqwaaaaaaaak, the sound of Toad Nutzi sitting behind his computer screen........

Road Natzi says:

Prufers,

It would appear that you're intelligence, persistence and good wit, is causing various posters to retreat into their bedroom for a bit of a self-massage. Even Common and dingdongwhoreladyboy, are constantly comming up empty.

Dude, you have seriously kicked arse, could you please leave a few scraps behing for me to have a chop at.

You crack me up thanx for the entertainment!! Now get back to work bitch, or I will whip you again (I know you love to be whipped) ;-)

Road Natzi says:

David,

Things are moving very slowly mate, I'm going stir crazy here and I've just arrived back into the slightly warmer climate of the North East Coast of Australia. I need an injecting of the home land, 2 days out and counting already.

Come on dude, give us one more article or we will have to resume self manipulation.....which apparently common is running lessons on. CHIEF WANKER HE IS !!!! I'm a marine, I'm a big marine, I'm a big fast marine, I'm a big fast hairy ugly gay marine.

Sorry common ur just one cunt i can never warm to and I'm still planning my next terrorist attack on the united states where I intend to kidnap you and the almighty George W, hold you hostage and make u soddomise each other, whilst I film it and place it live to air, for everyone to see what i theorise....that is 'From the lowest of trailer trash to the almighty president.....all yankees are FUCKED'. Lets see what happens with that one.

Ohh and ahhh, mmmmm to keep on topic, theres a little man selling corn on the cob, right outside the gates to the northern entrance of the park at Victory Monument. He normally flogs the corn for sip baht (10) but has been giving me a discount to cet baht (7). Just mention Roadsters name and you will get the discount, hey punters thats 30% off. Does that sort of cut it for being on topic, it kinda outlines how mango may be hiatus, but its readers are getting cheap corn????

----------

Hi Road Natzi

Building the new website is proving to be very time consuming so I won't be writing any new articles until it's finished - unless Google lifts the sanctions on this one, of course.

It will probably take weeks.

In the meantime, I'm leaving this forum open is so that the regular contributors can stay in touch.

Regards
David

PS. Thanks for your advice earlier.

Dasein says:

It really must feel good to crucify the U.S. for all of your own inadequacies, eh NoCock?

I guess you've truly learned nothing in all your international travels, but I suppose this comes as no surprise given your predeliction for narcissism.

Good on ya, mate.

My Neighbor's Cat is Smarter Than Prufrock too says:

Poointheroad: Sorry to disappoint an alcoholic old fool from Canada, but David can confirm my ISP is nowhere near that of "Dean Barrett." Gee, did someone say something about "re-framing the multitude down to one person?" Keep screaming away on that ledge Poo, those multitudes you hear in your head are yelling "jump."

dingdongrb says:

Come on 'Road Natzi'..... Like I said before quit the speed-reading. You do not impress anyone. The Jews were mentioned three times in this thread. Well, four since you have now. I guess you just babble on so much without really reading what others say. (CRTL ‘f’ for you PC illiterate ones.)

By the way, can you really smoke Yaba? I thought it was a pill? hmmmmmm (roll me one up please…. :-)

Prufrock says:

See mds? When you're right you're right.
Of course it's Hugo Chavez and not Cesar Chavez. My bad. Thank you for clearing that up. It was, I assure you, just a slip-up.
But you knew that, didn't you?
I hope you feel better.

Peace
Prufrock

Prufrock says:

Yo, Cat Fancier. Yeah, my Barrett assumption was rather more valid than your silly reductio ad unum Road Natzi gambit. You can change an ISP by re-connecting your router or using a cafe. But I'll accept that you're not Barrett. You went to the same madrassa in Groton though, right ;-?
I had a shandy or two with friends before dinner last night here in Bangkok but I really don't drink much. All the other stuff, the Karl Rove stuff, your PATHETICALLY sophomoric high-roading and the blatant stupidity of your position becomes clearer every day?. . . that must really disturb you.
One other mistake though, spelling, you're likely a stickler for that, I'd imagine.
So yeah, its Chomsky (with an 0 not an I and ISRAELI not Jew. There's a difference...a HUGE fucking difference.)

Wake up 'Markin tool.
That's not me on the ledge.
That's the president of your fine democracy basking in a 27% approval rating with 51% of REAL AMERICANS hollering for impeachment.
But he's still got you.
Next two years are going to be very painful for arseholes of your caliber
Suck it up, fool.

dingdongrb whined anew to Mr. R. Natzi that Jews had been mentioned three times in this thread.
Bullshit. Only by nitwits who wanted to paint me anti-Semitic used that word. ISRAELIS were identified specifically, you fool, there is a difference. . .did I mention that there was a HUGE difference? Just as there's a HUGE difference between 'Markins and Americans.

Dasein? Except for having nowhere to stuff my excessively large package, I have no inadequacies, it's an embarrassment of riches really. I'm blessed. And I live here, in Bangkok.

Oh yes, and Common Nuisance, nice to see you out of hiding and back in your self-appointed role as arbiter of good taste and relevancy in the make-believe world you call Mangoland. (That hand-routered sign on the door of your Compton garage flat says it all ;-)
I guess there's really not much use in responding to you, you can't read anyway. . . perfect for that Beijing "think-tank-in-a-spittoon" project of dingdongrb's.
As you know, I don't drink much, I take vitamins (you'd be right in assuming I take Centrum's silver formula, for athletes.) But sorry, no SRI's or anything psychotropic. As I re-call I used that "meds-balance" trope on you when we first met. You're obviously running on empty, these days as I notice you've been using other poster's lines with increasing frequency. That is when you're not hiding after a thrashing by one of your many fans on this board.
Nope, no meds except the odd Ibuprofen for muscle soreness after over-training on my circuit & weights routine. (This tropical heat necessitates electrolyte replacement on a constant basis men, overlook it at your peril ;-)

And son? as Mr. Rd. Natzi observed, we haven't seen you for days. As you emerge once again to grovel around here for like-minded posters, don't take these constant shit-kickings you're getting instead too personally. They're part of your upbringing. You'll be OK when you realize that you owe it to yourself to at least have a clue about what you're spewing on about. And that you have Capt. Queeg for president.
And your clever millions vs billions distinction? See, Common, I'll stay within the realm of the plausible. You'll stay within the realm of Bush/Cheney and the rest of those mental patients in Washington.

I'll just bet you were a mighty swinging dick on all those Neocon Astroturfer loudmouth pro-war sites when this disgusting Iraq bloodbath first rolled out, weren't you?.
Bragging away about shock and awe and your MOAB. Laughing at "Bush's man" Comical Ali and all those ragheads.
Well, Ali wasn't talking about "right then" when he threatened about the bloodbath that would be Iraq. He was predicting this current nightmare.

If you still live in a democracy, Com'on, you're back in the Homeland now. so support your troops and get out on the street and demonstrate against this war.
You'll feel better.
We both know they will.

David, kind sir.
You're a f*cking prince.

I remain,
As hideously off-topic as ever,

J. Alfred Prufrock

Road Natzi says:

Dingdongiluvladyboystofuckmyassrb,

You poor simple fool, of course Yabbah is a pill and yes you do smoke it, which is of course one of the best ways to achieve a high from Amphetamine. Why are you such a fuckwit????

YOu will see Yabbah smoked, the pill is heated, the split into 3 or 4 pieces, then its users will normally buy a packet of strip gum and remove the paper backing from one of the alfoil portions. A portion of the pill is then placed on the upside of a piece of paper and heat via a cigarette lighter or candel is then applied to the underside of the foil causing the pill to smoke, at which time the user has a A straw or rolled up cigarette paper in their mouth and they suck up the fumes from the smoking pill.

Now fuckwit, you will find Crack cocaine and other forms of Amphetamine are smoked in similar fashion.

Before you go on about me being a Junkie or similar, think again cocksucker, its my job to lock silly fuckers like you up, when they are stupid enough to smoke that shit. Yabbah is one of the lowest forms of Amphet in the world, usually oringinates form Burma, Manaymar and is made from the poorest chemicals available ...... thats why so many fuckers like yourself go crazy on it. We've all seen those 40kg yabbah addicts kicking the shit out of stray dogs, thats what that shit does to you, wow, sound like fun NOT!!

Also, I shouldnt have bothered I know, but what form do you think Heroine comes in you silly cunt, a liquid??? Nope try again now, but its injected I hear you say.

Dingdongmymotherwasajunkierb, just ask your mom or one of the 47 men she says could be your father, they will explain it to you.

Before anyone goes on about me using drugs, think again, I've seen drugs fuck up too many peoples lives, I know alcohol is a drug, tabbacco etc, but even they are the perfect example of what drugs do to people, with nicotine being one of the most addictive drugs ever, its plagued the world, cost tax payers millions of billions of dollars and of course made governments world wide a fortune in various taxes (helps to line politicians retirement packages)mmmm yeah i know, conspiracy theory.

Whilst I drink alcohol, take the various prescription drugs from time to time, Id always pass on the rest because I'd prefer to fuck, I love to fuck thai women, not ugly crack sluts like carrie. Of course the only fuck that carrie gets is from carrie and her hand held thumper.

Howdee common, can you go thru this post and let me know where my spelling mistakes are, I can't be jacked dude.

GOODNITE ALL, my business here is done for. Prufers can you please explain to that silly fuck dingdongrapevictimrb the other reasons that hes fucked.

David, with great anticipation we await your next move, please consider stopping anyone whos had shock treatment as part of their therapy (ie: dongdongdorbrd) from posting on the next site.

TANAI KWAI says:

Top Two Most Guilt-Inducing Guilty Pleasures:

1. Occasional purchase of "Cat Fancy" magazine.

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmgQ8-xUTcQ

(Yes, I'm straight. I think.)

Common Sense says:

OH the fuckwits are asking for it aren't they?

Road Natzi,
"It would appear that you're intelligence, persistence and good wit, is causing various posters to retreat into their bedroom for a bit of a self-massage. Even Common"

I'm hardly afraid to get itno it with PRuffy again, I just lack the time to do so at the moment. Tune back in come March timeframe and I might be able to squeeze him into my schedule. It also appears that without me there catching his every word, he's getting a bit sloppy these days, oh what fun I would have.

Prufrock,
Don't go climbing up onto your high horse so soon. Its simply not there. On the "meds rebalanced" thing. WHen i did use that line it was attributed to you. But if you were to read back a little, to times before the refugees like you came flooding over from that worthless cunt stickman site, you would see that you were not the first to ever mention the use of medication. I guess it plays into your narcissum to claim it does though.

Frankly though, a debate with you has lost all fun. You can't think beyond your Karl Rove, Bush, Bill O'Reilly fantasies or that clever little world you've painted for me to live in. Its become rather repetitive, tedious, and lame. It hardly posseses any shock factor for being original. Unfortunately, Road Natzi has caught on to this too. Its almost like reading the same posts over and over and over and over and over and over and over (have I made my point yet) and over and over, without hearing one new and creative thing. I believe your the ones riding on empty.

Now quit trying to paint this picture of yourself as some kind of geriatric health stud. Taking a multi-vitamin and drinking some gatorade after climbing the stairs to your second floor apartment hardly makes you a world class athlete.

Road Natzi says:

Dingdongdorbcockhead,

I know the jews had been mentioned previously, but not by me....u candy ass cocksucker.

I was adressed about bashing the jews and I made no such comment and never would so phark off.

Carrie,

You think I make a squawking sound when I sit behind the keyboard, but that noise you are hearing is actually your chair disappearing up ur giant sized arse, one can see you obviously won't even be injured by a really good fisting from a guy with dinner plate hands, but hell, he'd have to a no sense of smell to get ur pants off, where the dags of your massive hairy clamshell have tied together with ur anal locks......SORRY EVERY HORID THOUGHT ISNT IT.

Don't worry carrie, one day you will enter the world of reality and kill yourself...PLEASE!

Common,

Do you think when you invaded iraq, that it was possible that one of Saddams weapons of mass destruction escaped and is now lingering around Mango using the code name "Carrie". If so, is there any way we can dispose of this ugly fistfuck weapon without injuring anyone and with minimal property damage (it claims to be in thailand). Your help would be greatly appreciated (mate)!

Carl says:

I won't miss mangosauce. Sorry, it just wasn't that good. Got into it during the Stickman/Galt thing but the rest of it is too boring.

Grunt says:

Hmm...maybe that NotStickman guy pays dicer and her entourage to bury the discussion pages in bullshit.

Road Natzi says:

Hey Prufers,

Do you think we struck a nerve or to with ole CS ???

I heard him squeak but not quite sure if it matters all that much.

Moving right along.......

Common Sense says:

Road Natzi inquired: "is there any way we can dispose of this ugly fistfuck weapon without injuring anyone and with minimal property damage"

I'm a fuckin American and a Marine. The thought I would ever concoct a plan to destroy something without causing MASSIVE property damage and body counts ABSOLUTELY crosses all the lines of decency that we uphold here on MangoSauce. I'm genuinely offended by this.

That being said, I do have a plan. You and Prufrock could take her out on a date to your favorite ladyboy haunt. While there have massive shipments of the greasiest McDonalds cheesburgers delivered, which you and Pruffy paid for in advance. Everytime she attempts to open her mouth to say something one of you sticks a cheeseburger in to shut her up. Due to her western upbringing she will be unable to resist gourging herself throughout the date.

This process is repeated until her fat gut ruptures with the magnitutde of a sub-nuclear weapon spewing shrapnel consisting of hardened arteries and dislodged cholesterol fragments.

The only casualties would be you, Prufrock, Carrie, and a bunch of damned ladyboys. No one would ever care and the world would be a better place.

Not exactly a low body count or minimal property damage, but very unlikely to draw protest.

Carrie says:

Road Nutzi sqwaaaaaaaked:
"Sqwaaaaaaak, bullshit, racist verbal hershey squirts, sqwaaaaaak and on and on ad infinitum.......fuck off you ugly LIMP DICK shit EATING FAGGOT

Whippet says:

David: speaking honestly as a mate I more than understand the value of forums / comments to drive traffic to websites but this bickering is a horrifically poor end to a great site.

Why not keep MS going (albeit with less enthusiasm) to drive traffic to your new venture?

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Hi Whippet

In a world where a blogger is only as good as his last post, keeping MS going with anything less than total commitment would be a sure-fire way to lose my readership.

The quick posting I made on January 16 was greeted with a collective groan of disappointment so I won't be repeating that mistake.

Better to spend my time creating the new site and then announce it here when I'm ready.

I take your point about the bickering. This unhappy state of affairs is my fault because I'm not here to guide the discussion. If it becomes insufferable, I'll close the forum.

Regards
David

Faber & Faber says:

Road Natzi,

Your punctuation and spelling are awful.

Anyway...

We have amended your postings to make them more palatable. No need for thanks, we are just generous people:

Ohh and ahhh, mmmmm, aha, oo, la la la....etc. to keep on topic, theres a little man selling his brown-eye, right outside the gates to the northern entrance of the park at Victory Monument. He normally flogs his butt for sip baht (10) but has been giving me a discount to cet baht (7). Just mention "Aussie Paedo" and you will get the discount, hey punters thats 30% off. Yes, I normally go for homosexual midgets but a bargain is a bargain! Does that sort of cut it for being on topic, it kinda outlines how my dick may be hurting, but its me who is getting cheap ass????

Better Road Natzi? Furthermore...

Whilst I drink turps, wear women's clothes, sashay my ass in Sukummwit and take the various prescription drugs from time to time, Id always piss on the rest because I'd prefer to complete jigsaws, I love to pretend I am a thai woman, not ugly crack sluts like Prufrock. Of course the only fuck that Prufrock gets is from Dicer and her hand held barcode reader.

By now, you shouuld be smiling with relief that we have made your posts much more...realistic. No payment is neccessary Road Natzi, but a mention on your website "furry faecal encounters" would suffice.

NB. Once again, we must reject your offer of fellatio as suitable recompense for our editing services.

Have a nice day.

dingdongrb says:

What did Road Natzi say:

“Whilst I drink alcohol, take the various prescription drugs from time to time, Id always pass on the rest because I'd prefer to fuck, I love to fuck thai women, not ugly crack sluts like carrie. Of course the only fuck that carrie gets is from carrie and her hand held thumper.”

What he really means:

‘I drink luke-warm Leo beer mixed with piss from my favorite ladyboy. I also do prescription drugs such as Imodium AD for the chit that is always spewing from my pie hole, Midol for my monthly cramps, and Rogaine for my hair loss (NOTE: My pubs have yet to grown in because I’m only twelve.) I love to fuck ugly fat katoys while they are lying on their back so I can read their tattoos to further my education, especially when all my Cracker Jacks are gone. And if Carrie was here I’d eat her box out like I eat my week old somtum.’

dingdongrb says:

And I forgot to mention Natzi said,

'The Aussies invented the wheel.'

Prufrock says:

After work this evening I met up with a friend and we had a few drinks in soi Cowboy.
The evening began well. As I rounded the corner past the Penny Black, one of the sexiest whores I've seen in ages hustled her ass past me. Small waist, low slung jeans, fine ass just a wonderful bod and she was tall and athletic, just like my lovely Om Sin.
Buddy and I had a drink in Sam's 2000 and started in the Deja Vu. Had a chat with the mamsan there. She had a kid a few months ago and the place has improved immensely since her return from maternity leave.
Watched the pussy parade for a good 3/4 of an hour before moving onto the Shark Bar.
Perhaps it's because the management there is French but for some reason I've noticed that the women are well mannered and well trained in their "front of house " decorum. There is little pestering for drinks and none of the rudeness that has become the hallmark of Nana Plaza and all but put the place into the ground. Shark's women were fun and willing to please for reasonable compensation but we decided to move on.
There had been by this time about a hundred partially naked women of excellent physical proportions and decent facial features with whom I had enjoyed an occasional wink, smile, frottage, flirt and / or proposal. But none of them approached the standard set by the lovely and accommodating Khun Om Sin who was awaiting my return while she puzzled her way through Book 8 of her English course.
At our last bar, the Dollhouse I was once again reminded that these gals while they are all around their mid twenties are about the sexiest and sluttiest rascals in all the larger bars.
But by that time I had decided that we were just there to look and my friend was feeling a recurrence of the effects of a bad meal earlier this week.
Why do I mention all this?
Because I live here in Bangkok and I just wanted to share my simple account of a few hours lingering in the bars on the way home.
When I got home, Om Sin was waiting with a few questions about her English lessons. She wanted to understand them before she retired for the night, she said.
Our discussion ran for about 45 minutes. Not bad when you consider that we've been together for about five years.
I hope your Monday evenings were all more or less as pleasant as mine was and that you re all feeling the same twinge of regret and frustration as I at being unable to do anything for David, our gracious host.

David, I think what you're seeing here, expressed in varying degrees of intensity is a tremendous outpouring of anxiety and regret and trepidation that while there will always be forums to enjoy, yours is special.
TK is right. Your articles called us all in. They pushed us to try to match your style and wit and your courage.
Do not think for a moment that some of the latest posts are anything but howls of regret and frustration from the souls of your current faithful.

Be well.
I wish you much success in whatever happens or whatever you MAKE happen.

regards

Prufrock

Wombat says:

Prufrock

While I have no doubts some of the keyboard warriors will decry your evening as boring I liked reading about it. It made a pleasant change of pace from the abusive vitriol that has become the norm of late. Why have an intelligent debate when it is easier to anonomously insult someone.

While on the subject I would like to offer my services as a tutor for an evening the next time I am in Bangkok & you would like to have a night out. If she is as lovely as you say there would be no need to rush home. I'm sure I could think of several ways to occupy our time.

Dana says:

You are witnessing social history. The bad drives out the good. Where is Dicer and where is Tanai Kwai?

anon says:

Kiss their asses a little more there, Dana. For the 100th time.

fbuom says:

David,

I apologize, but Prufrock misquoted me so badly, I have to point out a few things....

I said, "By the way, do the math. 21/2 years - almost to the day - before Tom Hanks walked ashore (I didn't see the movie, we're talking D-Day, right?), was Pearl Harbor."

Prufrock's misquote was, "(I didn't see the movie, we're talking Pearl Harbor, right? WRONG - SAVING PRIVATE SPIELBERG)."

I guess Prufrock only understands what reinforces his prejudices...

Prufrock: I don't have the time or energy to respond to most of what you said - and I can't afford the English teacher I'd need to decode your sentence structure. (What'd you say about articulate, RN? T.S. Eliot was articulate! The post I'm quoting sounds much more like you.)

Back to you Prufrock, I'll lay it out in simple terms.

The movie: Saving Private Ryan
The actor: Tom Hanks
The action: Walking ashore
The Time: D-Day, the 6th of June, 1944 (or thereabouts - I said, I didn't see the movie)
The date 21/1 years prior to the action: Almost exactly 7 December, 1941

I rest my case about what Yanks were doing the 21/2 years before Tom walked ashore.

I could go on about your other perceptions of world history - Yanks aren't the only ones whose history books 'color' the past - I'll bet you learned The Brits didn't 'lose' the new world, they 'gave it up'.;-)

But what had I hoped would be my last post to David sums it up. Obscenities, profanities, vulgarities and name-calling simply show the user knows he has nothing meaningful to say!

Everyone:
A question some may think totally out of left field....

What was the name of the publishing firm where T.S. Eliot worked?

fbuom

fbuom says:

Anyone who lives in BKK care to comment on the runway cracks and other misfortunes of Suvarnabhumi Airport?

Personally, while it will _never_ happen in Thailand - too much 'face' to be lost, I'd prefer they leave the domestic flights at Suvarnabhumi and move the international flights back to Don Muang (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6309539.stm)

Otherwise, I'd rather fly out of Incheon - if the taxi fare from Nana Plaza weren't so awfully high.

fbuom

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

Your post on your night out, while longer than I prefer, was excellent. And honestly, any shorter, it would not have worked.

Thanks.

fbuom
P.S. I simply can't resist saying that you write quite well - when O., P., V and N-C doesn't get in the way. ;-)

That's a tweak, not an insult!

Cheers!

camuschula says:

I don't give a flying fuck who comes from where or who discovered what or whose grandparents sold weapons to the Goddamn Nazis. What I do know is that the Thais don't distinguish one big nose farang from the other. If any of you dickwads have noticed, they are coming for our asses. The writing is on the wall. Now you all can saddle up and come together in farang brotherhood or you can waste away in your arrogance and self-destruction. You can chose survival or chose to be right about who discovered the first telephone or the first douche.

The Thais are coming at us on all fronts with their fascist bullshit. All the self-proclaimed experts on history should see this, but obviously don't. Apparently, they are too worried about slaves in the Yukon Territory in the 18th century or how many aborigines were massacred in Tasmania or who discovered the cure for the clap.

Now boys we can choose to stay together and support each other as the Thai storm gathers against us or we can tear each other apart with a lot of inane bullshit.

You guys remember Star Wars and the trash compacter scene?

Han and Leia were complaining about who was responsible for getting them in trash compacter. And while they were bitching, the walls were coming in on them, and fucking Luke got dragged in the garbage by a one-eyed critter. Yeah, that is farang in Thailand, but we have no droids or Obi Wan Kenobi to bail us out in time for the big battle against the Death Star, because guess what, we are already dead, because Han, Luke and Leia were bitching at one another when they should be working together for survival and then for the big battle against the empire. And just in case there are some idiots out there, we farang are the rebels forces, and the Thais are the evil empire.

I know some of my European and Australian brothers in Thailand think the US is the evil empire, and they can delude themselves into thinking that, but I suggest they look around and wake, because it ain't the Americans who are coming after you.

Somchai DanaSon - age 6 1/2 years says:

"Please can we play in the sandpit today Mr. P."

Dicer says:

A GOLDING BUFFET?

The TK Golding quote missed one thing. It did tell us the time but not the place, latitude and astrocartographic reading. I dare say I would even like to know what he imbibed the day he wrote that all those years ago. Why, I'm for repetition ...of repetition which illuminates something and this one does.

One sees flesh eaters here – quite a lot of them, actually – but there are really no other narrators of the flesh eating to speak of. It seems no matter how large and insane a post they write, each has really just a mini role to play.

Now, to your average Mangosaucer, this sounds like a fine thing. After all, one doesn’t often say, “I would have liked this thread more if there’d been less of say, a Road Natzi or more old TK quotes.” Oddly enough, this long forgotten quotation from the fringe analyser, with a script crafted for his deadpan delivery is replete with stabs of comedic genius but never quite takes off, saving the fact that it encapsulates the detritus that has befallen us of late from innumerable handles that oddly sound like Carrefour, Dingoroad and Uncommon Rock. Many of the inhabitants now are like '50s-style nostalgia items like a special edition, "I used to be a William Golding hat you know?"

Is the neural supply for their increasingly under-received maladroit output going to keep welling up one wonders?

It looks like we will never know here as the whole machine is grounding to a halt. For instance their half-arsed, barely-planned attempt to talk "nation states" is much less a research trip than an outhouse punters' last hurrah in Mangosauce.com. Or it could be that perhaps the stoned Waldos writing on the wall their last warrior pieces? Harbingers of things to come: Hear ye hear ye hear ye...if it was not for blood and fornication we would not be here!

Here the most errant is Prufrock's sarcastic ennui which simply envelops several threads and drains them of momentum, further enhancing the already deranged atmosphere of this place. One could be tempted to read this whole thread and come out thinking of it as a delusion taking place inside two or three characters' minds, entities that purposefully look like nothing has ever actually existed before them.

Even though we don't have much of a clear mission and the writing on the wall are scattered willy-nilly, the picture of David slogging away on php scripts in his subterranean abode should really propel us into searching for plenty of ways to keep our minds engaged. We know (and this is the socialist and not royal 'we') one crucial thing: All good drama emerges with a background of shrill people, a fully realised cartoon world, a rollicking fun like the one the tarts you screw drool to.

Where are the actors?

And I don’t mean sneering mutants but contributors to mangosauce? No actors, but the drama continues. Which I henceforth call WALLPAPERISM, the one dimensional background that is.

What we have here is a dancing wallpaper!

Accompanying us on this voyage is the multinational amalgam of deranged albino Saxons, ranging from the manically depressed Prufrock to King Wombat, who doesn’t do much but perform clown pieces. Then they also toss on board dingdongrb who plays the Bozeman, Montana archetype ... and his erstwhile taciturn chum who's tagging along to get to know the rest of us better or to commit full frontal nudity, I'm not sure which. It’s a wonderfully misfit bunch, and enough can’t be said about the non sequiturs and bickering itself.

Mangosauce is right now in its dancing wallpaper state replete with the out-of-left-mind manias of its inhabitants. There’s no real conflict to push anyone into action, but that does not stop us from tearing off tender pieces from one another. With a primary nemesis like a stickman or a Thaksin or a Turd or a Sombat or a Wombat gone means the scarcity of a digital figure to obliterate. There remains zero chemistry between each one of us as new potential targets are not forthcoming. Hear my lamentation: with no half human adversaries who prove any real contest I'm left thinking that I don't have anybody else to play off of. Hang on, hang on here...don’t get carried away: This is my flaw, as my amusement comes from groups that fester in adversity.

So earlier I started thinking about actors and characters and the dancing wallpaper. Actually I was thinking of how the New Year began and I thought of two incidents. Yes two.

With two recent incidents I couldn't have been proven more wrong about the lack of adversaries and finding someone to "play off of" as they say in theatreland. My assertion that mangosauce has become a dancing wallpaper still holds. It remains true.

When the actors arrive and the play resumes there is always some piece of gnomic wisdom topped off with a dash of mild smut to be expected. Let's see.

Two Recent Incidents.

The first is what is going on at the GRAND NEW Suvarnabhumi airport. Incidentally, why would they choose the name of a pre Neolithic pygmy land as the one for a gigantic new sarcophagus?

The second involves a cop who unnervingly waved his erection in my direction.

CORIANDER IN THE CRACKS

The airport story has finally hit the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6309539.stm

Even the fucking tarmac is sneering at us!

Last Sunday I went out with a friend on our dirt motorbikes to do a well known mountain track in Chiang Mai. We spent the whole day riding from village to village terrorising chicken and kids later arriving at a border Akha village where I have some friends. We had lunch with them laughed about old times and headed back to Chiang Mai round about 4pm. 6 hours on the bike is trying even for an athlete so I decided to avail myself the services of Mae Noi, one of the best nuat boran old ladies (trad thai massage lady) who has hands that can work the stiffest body. Mae Noi is a legendary character and is another story in herself. On this occasion I gave her the instruction to do the one hour foot, one hour back and ten minutes Tao stomach massage and lied down in abandon. Two hours later I rose up rejuvenated. After the usual after service banter I headed downstairs to pay and leave and who did I bump into at the ground floor? None other than my despondent airport mate I was exchanging emails with about the current dismal state of Suvarnabhumi airport. I sat down to get an update from him.

I saw this article in the Nation a few days ago and it prompted me to have a conversation with this mate (let's call him Tim) who works at the new airport. Although I find the whole thing very amusing and am resigned to the fact that he understandably does not share my scorn for the people running the show at the airport I wanted to find out his take on things. He works in the airport and the size and state of the cracks on the tarmac currently reported in both local and foreign media affects his daily routine.

Previously we had the following email exchange about the airport situation:

Dicer: "Here is one for you Tim..Try these proverbs on your airport colleagues."

http://www.asianewsnet.net/columnist.php?aid=7527

Tim: "Dicer, that sums up a lot. I know you will remember these proverbs and try them on the people up north...here is the deal... Central Thais know these. Muangs (that is northerners) do the most obvious but you can't go too far...they may just look puzzled...but ok I'll give them a try. Interesting article."

Dicer: "Naw...actually the whole article is contrived. The writer tried desperately to fit each proverb into the airport story like filing at a jigsaw piece to fit it in somewhere it doesn't belong. The first two are ok but the rest are not and esp. this one: 'this haste to open Suvarnabhumi was an act of phak chi roi na (topping my face with coriander just to get away with it.'

"I mean...coriander on my face!!! Think about it. I'd go to the bar and say to the sneerer....hey tart let's go. And when she starts making faces I'd say put coriander on your face...hehehe Maybe the AOT board will probably decide to consult that ghost roaming around the airport and stuff the cracks with fresh coriander. The price of coriander would soar and the generals would make a packet.

"Did you also notice how the writer started with 'we have a great history...did you see the movie King Naresuan?'...I bet apart from the current film he hasn't the foggiest about Thai history. Just a glib idiotic statement. If I stepped into the Nation building I think I'd go postal..."

Tim: "yes yes a dilly of an article..."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/28/
headlines/headlines_30025296.php

Dicer: " Here is another one for you... an expert speaks at last....'it is already there'...nope, that is like Bush saying Wull the troops are already there...time to go back to Don Muang. What to do with the new airport? The obvious... make it the biggest mall in the world...lots and lots of parking...wheeeeeee"

Tim: "They keep sending members of the greatly assembled National Assembly to inspect the cracks. It's like bugs and roaches come out of the woodworks to collect the crumbs that fall off the table. However the architect makes perfect sense in what else he says. The 'it's there' is a kind of admitting nobody heeded advice that was given long ago. Experts are in the corner, decision makers on top. Anyway Dicer, if you read beyond the 'its there' he has some good points. You see, I make a point of looking beyond simple faults in reasoning and seeing what the person is arguing overall.

"The usual problem in Thailand is there is no overall argument...there is no overall anything, so when occasionally someone like this architect comes out and makes an overview its interesting. So far the other idiots only point at each crack and say whoa that crack big before buggering off to a noodle frenzy.

"Have you seen the two National Assembly members who were sent to do a report actually had their photos taken pointing their fingers at the crack. They were not looking at the crack but the camera and smiling. It’s like a holiday snap. Two others did the same except now these two were sternly looking into the distance away from the camera as if to say they were contemplating. It totally looked unnatural, pointing fingers at the cracks but looking into the distant haze!"

Dicer: "Aah! well observed. Here is a clue: when Thais take photos and esp. ads for newspapers, street boards etc they hold a piece of paper or discount notice or the like and point their fingers at it while looking into the camera as if to say don't look at my face look at the notice and you're left wondering if they hadn't pointed it out whether most people would miss it.

"We call these challenged auditory people"

Tim: "What is even more interesting if you followed the whole incident is that AOT told the contractor to repair the crack and claim insurance on it. AOT are loathe to spend extra money or the people at the top have stolen the money. The cracks issue has been going on for 6 months and they shoved it under the rag like it did not exist while proceeding to open the airport. Last week in a board meeting they discussed about moving domestic op to Don Muang and when the cracks issue resurfaced they said...oh this is not important....the contractor is dealing with it.... hee hee"

Dicer: "Yup. giggle giggle.... We cleveN peepuN hee hee we handled the meeting right Somboon...yes Sombat...we go have whiskey now hee hee...and all the hehe because maybe if there is a big crash it will kill hundreds of scum tourists...yea....hahahah...no one cares...no toilet, no order...big cracks. hahahaha go blame the ghost."

Tim: "oh you mean Moo Ping? lol. yeah, see they fooled with the wrong tarmac ghost.....where are all the clever people from Chula eh?"

Dicer: "Chula?"

Tim: “I meant the capable people"

Dicer: "No such thing I'm afraid."

BABOONS THAT ATE SOUR GRAPES

Dicer: "Tim, keep in mind this is a failed society...1997...and now Thaksin just did the double whammy selling the Telco to Singapore. They can't run anything on their own. All along since Narai they've had someone there to hold their hand. Then they decided to go Chinese: Chuan, Barnharn, Thaksin. What other idiots can they pull out of the magic hat? I used to upset bipolar people by saying Gates should buy Siam and call it Gatesland. Of course when you think about it the last thing an Asian society like this needs is thinking. The Chinese know this. You find the same things in the US where gulp thinking is good thinking; you just need to consume...

"As for Chula get this: I had dealings with all three, that is Chula, Thamasaat and Ramkhamhaeng and know many ajarns. Even being a foreigner generally you are invisible on campus to all including the teachers. You get used to the mass mental erase coming your way. But at Ramkhamhaeng University immediately on campus the people and esp. the girls are checking you out. Oh, who is this guy? You'd see the Thamasaat and Chula students, including senior tutors going home with their backpacks loaded with Japanese cartoon books.

"At Siam Square though is where you will find slightly provincial people huddling over notebooks actually studying. These are always the Ramkhamhaeng students. You just walk up and say Ram right and they say YES. Business people in bbk found out long ago that the Ram kids would actually work. So they hire them. Of course they put on a few Chula girls to brag about but they are brain dead. So here is the good part. The Chinese will promote according to ability. The Ram girl that comes on as secretary and has whiz can quickly go up to the top of the company and be a supervisor. One such student got a job in insurance as a secretary. In a year she actually did three jobs including underwriting. This happens all the time. Too good to be true I hear you shout. True, we haven't discussed pay have we? The girl with three jobs still got her secretary pay. It is the old thing of cheating and using people. So then in the end Ram kids everywhere. Are we supposed to grin and laugh at the complimentarity of Ram kids vs. the rest of the Chula cartoon droolers?

"The whole point here is that Ramkhamhaeng is an oasis. Free thinkers and closer to western education than anything in Bangkok. Ram kids are famous for being eccentric (in Thai terms). You actually find there real village central Thais, Akha, Lisu etc. Chula is mandarinish. Thamasaat is a slum for the middle class. The other places are life reformatories for really stupid half Chinese.

Tim: "There is the Dicer caravan again haha"

Dicer: "hehe... sure..not done yet... the funny thing is when you tell people this, not only negative, but definitive stuff where there is tested data and the Thais admit it the idiots counter attack right on you: what is YOUR problem? To you it looks and sounds definitive. To their unaccustomed ears it's strange vitriolic (actually scathing stuff.) Maybe you water it down for them. Scum becomes dusty and sewer vortex becomes bathroom eddy and mutant becomes cute bug, fish sauce becomes denial deodorant and so on and so forth.

"In the end you can imagine the AOT directors sitting there poker faced for meetings, but afterwards the faces twist and it looks like a bunch of baboons that ended up eating sour grapes by mistake.

DRIFTING AMORPHOUS ALIENATED SELVES

"One of the strange things about Thais is their complete unawareness...no details, no history, atemporal, no analysis, no self development. (Yes Dana IT IS THE FOG). They drift along in the inner fog, but oddly enough when the outer world (sometimes called reality) hits them, they jump a mile like when they re did immigration and made it look 'organised' or when in the 60s the US complained about drugs they dragged a Chinese out into the street and executed him on TV...symbolic stuff. As usually they react only to shock because they can't see things coming. They actually have no idea how the outside world sees them. People from Bangkok going to the North for village help projects came back shocked that the people there hated them. You get a sense of this..no one speaks Burmese or knows about Burmese culture or food or Khmer or anything else..don't know, don't care...the drifting amorphous alienated inner self... and now the whole world think this airport is a joke... here is one last article for ya."

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/
003200701300314.htm

Tim: "Hey Dicer I liked 'bathroom eddy'...sounds like one of those geezers in a Nana bar!"

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THE COP WHO WANTED TO BUY ME DINNER

My conversation with Tim in Chiang Mai was a follow up from this online exchange. We talked in the waiting room of the Thai massage place for ten minutes before I walked outside to find on my bike a parking fine ticket. I had noticed earlier that the municipality is digging right alongside the massage place to bury electric cables. They had put up clearly marked no parking signs, but what did everyone do? Parked their motorbikes on the footpath of course. The massage owner said to park it right by the wall. I did and walked in to have my massage. When I came out two hours later after saying bye to Tim my bike was chained and padlocked. I looked up and about 5 more bikes have the same. And this was on a Sunday evening! A tad worried I walked back into the shop and asked Mae Noi to go get the cop and explain to him that I'm the Thai massage customer. She ran up to the T junction further up the road to tell the traffic cop, who in turn nonplussed, said "sure but the guy who does clamping is gone so unless you go to HQ you would not find him." The owner apologised to me before suggesting I should go to the HQ. I said, “if I go to HQ alone I'd end up paying so need someone to go with me," and asked Mae Noi to come along. But Mae Noi has to do more customers. The owner then sprang into action. She left her shop got someone's bike asked me to hop on the back, kept apologising and went to the police station. We walked in and there were a bevy of similar-dissimilar people lined up to pay the standard 400 baht parking fine each. Gloomy faced, they shuffled their feet and paid.

I remembered that it was the end of the month. The cops as usual were collecting from the whole town. When my turn came she ambled up to the duty cop and said "he's my customer and was parked right in front of my shop." The guy at the police station didn't care and he said, "ok mister you pay 400 baht." I said "400 baht?" feigning surprise. "That’s too expensive, can we make it 200 baht?" The guy looks up at me now smiles and he said, "for you I discount 100 baht...pay 300 please." Taking the owner was no use as that would only be helpful outside her shop. Once you move her away from the setting she's a nobody.

That was not the end of it. There was this fat idiot stuffing his face with sticky rice standing right behind the on-duty cop telling him how to fill out the several forms. It took him a long time to fill out the form: He asked, "What your country?" I said, "UK." He wrote down Ireland, looked up and smiled thinking his geography very clever. I grinned back.

He took my cash gave me the receipt and then put his hands on top of mine with a sickly attendant smile on his face that would have made the greasiest of the local queer blush in embarrassment. He then said "tonight where you go...we go gin kaaw together..."

Jesus blinketh!

"What the f... just happened," I thought as the massage owner sat there and pretended nothing untoward happened in front of her. I wriggled my hands free, made a mental note to buy Dettol to wash them with and thought of saying to him.."whaddaya think mate.,..THIS IS OVER THE FUCKING HILL ISNT IT EH?" Instead, I thought "hmm, first get your bike unclamped." I said, "my friend waiting" or the like and legged it out of the place, slowly followed behind by the lady owner of the massage shop. Anyway the HQ radioed the cop who goes around clamping bikes and cars in a tuk-tuk with a police siren fitted on top to unlock the bike. After ten more minutes wait my bike was free once more.

With the lady there, the smile myth, I the alien, he did the easy thing: bargain down to 300. And try to hit on me too! A comedy of course and the point is end of the month. The cops have to get money for the commander. An amusing vignette overall were it not for that hand touch. This is really a very provincial thing. You won't find this in BKK. In the first place tourist area cops in BKK are ready to kill and if you get into a suburb they are really nasty. I had to make a police report when I once lost a bag and let me tell you, they were extremely unhappy to have me there. Nearly threw me out.

On this occasion what lingered in my mind is the question: did a cop just hit on me? Wull yeah.

Is Mercury rising? No it is not! Uranus must be the ascendant star, or is it Gemini? Actually faced with a slimy grinning cop what I remembered was Woody Allen's Everything You wanted to Know about Sex (but Were Afraid to Ask.) An episode that was filmed but eventually cut out of the film was 'What Makes a Man a Homosexual?'. The sequence had Woody Allen as a common spider and Louise Lasser playing a black widow. After a mating dance on the black widow's web, the spiders make love and the black widow eats the common spider. Woody Allen cut the sequence as he was unable to find a suitable ending for it. Here I felt it was that spider reborn with a better karma except as a homosexual cop in a Northern Thai town.

Dicer says:

It recently occurred to me that Grunt is extremely similar to Ernesto Ortega in his singularity and monomania. I suspect they are even related. Can even hazard to say that they are siblings. While Ernesto is like the old geezer in Father Ted who screams "Tits" ..."ARSE" and amused us no end Grunt is depressingly still picking off feminist viruses from his paranoiac firewall. Could it be that Grunt was not sufficiently suckled and unweaned, even malnourished whereas the mother gave plentiful suckling and the attendant appreciation of tits that goes with it to Ernesto? Alas, we will never know. Except to note that we are saddled with Grunt here and Ernesto has long gone chasing into the forest the Woody Allen inspired runaway giant breast.

Hanuman says:

extraordinary...

dingdongrb says:

Hey Dicer,

Did you run into my buddy, Ryan, when you were running your dirt bike up there in Chiang Mai? He would have been the one passing you.

Prufrock says:

Camuschula: Hey Cam, all I buy here is gold. That's it. Ok, food, pussy and gold. No property (here) No stocks. (here) and no fucking up. I take their silly money and I buy their gold with it. Let them play the vacuum game. (I want more info on this wall-writing, s'il vous plait, Maybe I'm missing something. Fill me in. (that's straight)
Geezus man you didn't actually HAVE money in the SET didja??
I mean your posts on Thai meta-history and so-called wealth creation/property being absolutely spot frigging on, you haven't actually moved money and, like, real capital over here, have you?? And you DO have your visa sorted right? (just asking) And you haven't in some other way actually let yourself slip into in their grasping clawing opium-stained mitts, have you?
You're too good a commentator to get riled up like this dude.
Stay cool.
I'm in a hurry, no time for the fancy shit. Gotta go.
Cam. Please Get on it HERE.
Stickman sucks bigtime.
Maybe we can get David to give us "hiatus partII" so that the scrolling will be easier (no offense dicer, you're ok old fella, you're okay. Next Derrida book???))
But geez Camuschula, stay in touch, will ya? Don't make us wade thru Sticky's stuff. And share. This stuff isn't all that evident to all of us. I mean you've read some of the posts. Come on. Let's have it. (straight - no chaser)

fbuom: You really just went out for smokes, right? Didn't fool anybody. See? No self control. It's that Bangkok thing, right?
And fantasize if you can or smear away if you must but Faber the spurned fellatelist is most definitely not me.
I freely copped to the other handles I'd used until I had the one that worked right. Butchewkin smear me with F&F if it makes ya feel good nnkay??

Yo, Road? Didja have a good time here. In Gan? Do ya Miss Thailand? I don't think anybody here really cares about spelling and punctuation. (Commas ARE important though right? Again, honest mistake.)
Common? If we're real quiet for a while dja think Camaschula might, like give us some info we can use to fend off the coming onslaught? I'm thinkin' yeah. So let's just see what happens.

dicer: You were, um, like, speaking for yourself when you said all that, right?

And Dana's kid? NO. At least not unsupervised. Last time you were here you tried to pull down everyone's pants!

Prufrock

Faber & Faber says:

Dicer,

I printed your lengthy submission and then wiped my arse with it.

How refreshing..!

Common Sense says:

Dicer,
Talk about a momentum stopper, this couldn't have come at a better time. I too long for the days before the surge of refugees from the Stickman debacle when posters could carry about a conversation. Sure we had our arguements that got out of hand and off topic a time or two, but once a new article popped up all ill will was put to rest and we started anew (with the exception of Grunt who I'm sure will be chimming in with some Lady Dicer dribble shortly).

Apparently some of these refugees are the type of emotionally broken cunts who just can't seem to let shit go. I won't even spuculate at this time as to the reasons for their bitterness. I fully admit my part in inciting some of this, but for fucks sake, let bygones be bygones. This nonsense is really starting to affect the quality of postings around here.

Road Natzi says:

Dicer,

Fantastic work, its good to see a good ole 'Dicer' post, please keep it up.

Camuschula,

That would have to be one of the funniest posts I have ever read. Do you reakon CS looks a bit like 'Jabba' or do you think we should reserve that tag for the hideous Carrie????

Dingdongrb,

You seem to have forgotten you don't have any buddies, loser.

Prufrock says:

fbuom:
When I was a kid we had a swamp behind our house
Dad decided to “reclaim it” and build tennis court for visitors.
A vast plane of table-tops with supported by 1000’s of “legs” (GOT IT SO FAR??)
Best way to support these tables was to sink piers, 250 of them per every 1000 sq. meters
Piers, 35 meters deep and 70 cm in diameter cost *7000 USD* apiece to sink
These piers were supposed to support a 1 METER THICK “TABLE-TOP” of steel re-enforced concrete
By steel reinforced, the engineers meant a dense WEB of 1” re-bar every 12 inches.

Uncle “Vegas Louis” McSleeze got the concrete contract.
A silly pack of “distractible”, giggle-fart momma’s boys “inspected” and “approved” Vegas Louis’ work
They stamped it and sealed it and signed it off on a daily basis.
They smiled a lot and said stuff like “What me Worry?” all the time.
Every time one of the TABLE TOPS was ready for pouring Louis team of experts would sign a paper saying that there were indeed ENOUGH PIERS supporting each table top
There were many Many MANY of these table tops.
The job took 5 years but we all knew the neighbours would be jealous. so it would be worth it.
If they ran “out of true” THE TENNIS BALLS WOULD BOUNCE FUNNY the engineers would say over beers at the local whorehouse. Sometimes after one of these relaxing sessions an engineer would have a car accident on the way home. . . or he would get a tape of his last evening’s entertainment.
Anyway Dad never heard much about this shortfall of piers.
The first problem came back when cousin Alison complained that there were cracks in the asphalt where the slabs joined. They were everywhere. A table corner was sticking up funny. Dad said we couldn’t play there any more cause Alison had tripped on a corner while running for a ball and smashed her face on another protruding corner..
THE TABLES ARE CROOKED, THE TENNIS BALLS WILL BOUNCE FUNNY
One day he had to jump right back into his SUV and move it off a SLAB SUPPORTED BY NON-EXISTANT PIERS

Dad was pissed with Louis but busting through these dramatically steel reinforced “table tops” to count up the alleged pier shortfall would be impossible.
Vegas Louis knew that.
He also knew the neighbours would laugh if they saw us digging up the slabs.
Ole Vegas Louis, he was sure some smart feller, he was.
The family gatherings we used to enjoy were all cancelled (Dad was a good man, a safety conscious man)
Some day I’ll tell you about why it’s a real good idea to take sixty suitcases of cash to Hong Kong if you do it just as the books are starting to brown in the toaster oven
I could go on but I figure you’ve got the picture.
Anyway after that slab thing none of our relatives were allowed to visit. And us kids went back to ping pong extravaganzas and village pig roasts.

I hope this has helped.
regards
BTW, please accept that I posted only under the JT and Imtiaz thing (oh yeah, suckered Common once last week with "Anonymous" )so we can get on with a decent conversation.
Or not.

Prufrock

Grunt says:

"Hey Dicer, Did you run into my buddy, Ryan, when you were running your dirt bike up there in Chiang Mai? He would have been the one passing you." - dingdongrb

This is the classic "back story" used by bullshit artists to put forth the illusion they are something, someone, or somewhere.

Clearly a response to my query regarding the veracity of lady dicers claim to being "old hand" in the LOS.

The truth is that dicer has never set foot outside grenwich village, let alone America.

Time to post a flood of bullshit to bury this little fact, ms. dicer!

Prufrock says:

One night last week
I, um, get this from a girl.
One of the more pretentious soi 33 bars. (Can’t remember the name. Sorry.)
One of the newer girls.
She figured it had fallen
From the pocket of this natty late-forties guy.
He drank there all the time.
Wasn’t an English teacher , she said
Loads of Baht.
Used his cards, as well.
Always well-dressed, real Rolex -
22ct band Presidential, Daytona timepiece (her details)
Armani (Georgio not Emporio) eyeglass frames, accountant's demeanour impeccable manners.
She knew all that.
I wanted to know more but I didn’t push it too much

“Time was important to him”, she said.
She spoke of him as if he’d just passed.
The paper’d fallen out of his pocket
one night last week.
He’d been eavesdropping on a pack of boiler room louts
Rotten teeth, broken or bad work.
Hundred dollar suits, sovereign rings
bad shoes, pricey Italian but wrong for them, she knew.
Copy Brietlings . . . a few Internet Phillipe Pateks, chainlink 5 baht bracelets. CZ pinkie rings.

Top collar buttons off or nearly off.
Ties knotted used car dealer lemon size.
And tatts, facial tatts on some.

He'd been recording their antics on his laptop. They figured him for a fool.
That's how he liked it, she said.
Didn't ask her how she knew that.
Didn't think it was my business if you know what I mean.

Said I could have the paper she’d picked up because she knew what it said.
(She’d heard him say what was on it.
A hundred times, she said)
Knew it by heart.
These gals have good memories.

But you know how it is.
Probably wasn't telling me the whole story.
Because here’s what was on the paper.

LET us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats 5
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question … 10
Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”
Let us go and make our visit.

The rest is on:

http://www.bartleby.com/198/1.html

regards

Prufrock

camuschula says:

Pru-

I would never put my money in any Thai assets. Thais treat farang like the Nazis treated Jews in the early 30's, except that the Nazis had more integrity. Seriously, if I had a farang company in Thailand, I would burn my shop to the ground and tell the Thais to shove their foreign business act up right up their ass. If I were a fund manager, I would yank my clients money out of Thailand faster than you can say "we are committed to a liberal economy that welcomes foreign capital."

In any area of life where you are dealing with Thais who are protecting their self-interests, you believe exactly the opposite of what s/he says to your face.

A Thai official says, "The airport is wery, wery safe."

What do you do you? You walk.

Anybody notice how all the Thai carriers are moving back to Don Muang and leaving the foreign carriers stranded at cracky swampland airport with all the bullshit?

Never pay attention to what the Thais say. It is all bullshit. You pay attention to the law and to policy that is enforced.

You don't believe except when you have the head of the Commerce Department going in front of a room of farang property investors and he basically says that the government is coming after the land you bought through a nominee process, snickering about how farang can't own and you'd better sell, probably to his cousin, then you'd better sell. http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/2007/
01/foreigners-keep-off-thailand-says-head.html

There is no rule of law that protects farang assets in Thailand. We live under a military dictatorship. And our ambassadors and reps don't do shit except bang whores and go to cocktail parties, smiling away for the social section in the Bangkok Post, as the Thais snicker behind their backs.

But then you see these farang idiots continuing to buy property in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya without doing any due diligence or reading the law or hiring attorneys.

And these property management companies don't care if they fuck you. These are same companies that were fucking Thais left and right before the 97 crisis.

Moreover,look what the Thais are doing to Singapore:

Singapore bought the Shin group companies for a couple billion dollars.

Thaksin pocketed the money without paying any taxes.

Thaksin got thrown out of power because once he sold off Shin Group he no longer had to pay concession fees to the generals who awarded him the concession in the first place.

The military government is punishing Singapore for buying those assets (and taking their rice) by changing the rules of the game. Now Singapore will have to sell those assets back to Thailand at a huge loss.

Guess what? Thaksin keeps his money, and the Thais get Shin Group back, plus Singapore had to pay billions of baht in fees and penalties to the Thai state, and the generals get off scot-free and become a hundred times richer than before. Thaksin will eventually come back and all of them will snicker together in a high end massage parlour about how clever they are, how they got away with everything, because they believe in Thai Exceptionalism and fucking foreigners anyway they can.

And whatever happened to the billions of dollars in Tsunami relief money?

Why hasn't that money been audited?

The Thais stole it, of course.

They have been screwing farang since before King Narai.

And foreigners continue to allow the Thais to fuck them in the ass and get away with it. It really is mind-boggling. It shows to me how much one is willing sell one's soul for a little pussy and some Thai bullshit.

For myself, I live at a subsistence level, like our blessed King advocates, because I seriously believe as a matter of political principle not to give Thais any farang money. I am like Thoreau at Walden's Pond, except there are no Emersons to write letters to, since all my farang brothers are too busy wasting away hours in self-destruction, arguing over who invented what and how much America sucks.

In the meantime, I am plotting revolution. Seriously.

T. S. Eliot says:

fbuom asked,
'What was the name of the publishing firm where T.S. Eliot worked?'
Were you thinking of Faber and Faber (formerly Faber and Gwyer)?
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/eliot/life.htm
I think your solution of moving international flights back to Don Muang is better than the opposite proposal by the Thai authorities (move domestic flights back to Don Muang).

fbuom says:

Prufrock,

Yes, there was a certain implication in my question, but I didn't really intend it as an accusation. I just thought it a bit coincidental that two folks would be using handles/avatars, whatever, that could be traced back to T.S. Eliot and wondered if anyone else had noticed.

Liked your dad's Tennis Court story. In the spirit of the story, I have to ask, did it take him (well, not him, but his engineers, etc.) forty years to plan and build, too? In St. Louis?;-)

I think I read on the BBC site that the name was 'Golden Field', 'Golden Meadow', something like that. I always thought it was more like suanplu - which I've been told was formerly a swamp - just like our favorite airport's site. Hmmmm, Golden Swamp - seems appropriate, now.

Oh, by the way, don't smoke _anything_ or _anyone_, and I'm in the land of Oz right now, not the Land of Smiles. More's the pity. I think Melbourne is a great city, but I'd rather be in Bangkok. Am I crazy? Or just infatuated?

T.S.: Not thinking, I knew. My source was that unequivocally always accurate, who would ever dream of hacking/slanting, internet arbiter of disputes, wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._S._Eliot

R.N. I was going to ask about John Howard's Australia Day speech, but that would be off-topic.

As is the fact that I was taught (in US schools, no less) that 'Americans' refers to all the folks who live between the northernmost tip of Canada and the southernmost tip of Argentina. Those other Americans sometimes get upset with loose use of the term.

fbuom

fbuom says:

David,

PLEASE! You've got to post something new!

A simple, "I'm serious, guys, I'm on hiatus!" would be sufficient. The comments on this topic are getting just too long to scroll past!

fbuom

Dicer says:

fbuom,

Are some ppl here like monodirectional cockroaches that can only deal with the last post up front in the home page. Mangosauce is a sizable website so look around. geez.

hmmm let me see...

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?
storyid=240678

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/01/14/
national/national_30024078.php

How about elephants. Do they get sugar shock? Or sneered at? Like you do after a large sunday buffet at your local hotel, complete with several trips to
the dessert table. Just when you start to zone out from the excess sugar the tart sneers start to look like smiles upside down. I once did just that. What with the sugar and the two bottles of Pinot we shared between the three of us during lunch I had this sudden idea of grabbing the waitress sneering at me from the corner by the legs, turn her upside down hoist her up and thereby switch the sneer into a smile. I only discounted the thought as it would have been misconstrued as a suggestion to her to give me her phone number or follow me home.

The world is a better place at least with a bunch of diabetic elephants on the rampage while comatose Issan villagers wake up to shoot them.

http://www.bangla2000.com/News/Archive/
Health/6-2-2000/news_detail2.html

"Eating elephant meat to boost sexual performance is spreading in northern Thailand"

And I'm sure they sang Lanna songs and laughed as they ate the elephant that killed the British tourist...

Will the list never end? Remember Thaksin's zoo restaurant in Chiang Mai Night Safari serving up Kenya game: "you like monkey, can eat" giggle giggle....

Dicer says:

Oh I almost forgot. Grunt, as per my previous post about your malnourishment and failed weaning as a young lad which has clearly affected your synapses into believing coded communication with a woman called lady dicer in Greenwich Village I thought, like most here, that you are a cracker and cheese away from gagaland. So I wondered how your..erm what shall we call it, yeah "suckling complex cum schizophrenic tendencies " can be addressed. That woman you keep refering to may have denied you suckling but here I'll do my bit and recommend a visual therapy. I usually don't volunteer for this sort of stuff. I know I did say at some stage you were beyond therapy. But alas I have to do something here so start with this:

http://www.mastasia.com/Rina02/03.htm

We'll see if there is any progress in the near future. If your tart sees you surfing Rina she may get some clues as to your extra needs. As Sigmund would say you skipped your oral phase son. And look at the state of ya.

You also keep mentioning yarmulke. As Uncle Sigmund would say the shape of the object is supposed to hint at the size of tits you're after. But clearly a yarmulke is small and would put you in pervert category. So I thought you should start from the above and work your way large or small along the continuum. If you had said a kippah or a fez I'd have quickly known. You don't make it easy son.

Best of Luck.

Prufrock says:

Cam: Whenever I'd share thoughts such as yours with farang pool buddies in soi 4, I'd get blank stares or shrugs or sneers from those who were too lazy to inform themselves and do the research.
Sadly, notwithstanding many notable exceptions to the phenomenon, the same thing happens on these sites. (This one less so)
At best, sometimes, you get an: "Ok hard-facts-researching-guy, Bring it to me some more. Empty your thought banks to fill mine. If I approve it, I'll barf up some half baked gainsay rebuttal and call my lazy-ass "dead cat bounce" of an effort a debate."

(never having been within a day's walk of a REAL debate and not having any idea of the basic rules of one, I'll just use that term anyway etc etc.)
And so it goes.

Yes indeedy, there IS fascism afoot in the realm. Its youthful white underbelly slimes into websites like this with stock-footage challenges to posters to find the pretty girls from back home in their countries instead of securing GFE services here.
The code-term "Nightlife" is used by this crusading sector, to click-reference the thousands of foreign men who quite obviously come here for something Asian men see as natural as giggling.

"Nightlife" never refers to the MILLIONS of Thai men who treat Thai commercial sex in all its forms like membership in a bowling league. That's mere "sanook."

By staying obtuse these crusaders believe that since they haven't told us about Thai P4P we can't possibly know there are just bazillions of "Sombat-Mark-Kerrs" out there and they're all as Thai as Sang Thip.

Regarding your current political hobby: I have begun to notice that the girls in these bars, when you ask them where THEY'RE from, with increasing regularity, will say "I AM LAO" Then they'll add "Isaan" and with further prompting, the province,ampur & tambon etc.
And that they hate Bangkok but they have to stay here.
And some will say that if "Bangkok people" don't like it they can grow their own rice, build their own houses . . and suck their own dicks!
Catalysts are in place.
We need not rush the season.
To paraphrase Ernesto Gallo,
"No wai before its thai."

Mac says:

Re: http://www.mastasia.com/Rina02/03.htm

Thanks for the mammaries
Two things I can't forget
Lactating and wet
Those wond'rous peaks springing leaks
They make us swoon and sweat
How milky they wuz ...

With a nod to Frank Sinatra ...

Ernesto Ortega says:

RINA ROCKS - LOOK AT THEM HUGE BOOBS - GOD I WOULD LOVE TO SUCK ON THEM.

EO

Prufrock says:

Common: See? That worked.
Let's try it some more.

In spite of the fact he actually lives and works here and has a life here, Camuschula probably has even more good stuff he can tell us about (of all places) Thailand. Some reference works. (to save us from slogging through the shitty ones)

If we leave some kaow niow & som tam (nice chicken leg, perhaps?) (tham thai gup paa lahr, nithiyu, chai mai) out for him and maybe some of that excellent Beer Lao, he might even post us some historical references so that we can cross-fabricate/synthesize/reference Thai current affairs as they come up.

I have some as well. We could, you know, trade them like recipes.

Shhhhh, (I hear something in the bushes)
Woops. Hmmmm. It's a book. A thin yellow one. There's a cartoon on the front of it that has fuck-all to do with the content. Might be worth a read though. AAAAAND whadya know? Looks like it's actually been through the editing process. Puncuation, paragraphing hmmm.

Some of this stuff is might-ty familiar.

Dicer says:

"I have begun to notice that the girls in these bars, when you ask them where THEY'RE from, with increasing regularity, will say "I AM LAO" Then they'll add "Isaan" and with further prompting." - Prufrock

You've hit something interesting re Issan vs Lao..
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I used to spend 3-4 hours per day in BKK traffic with Lao cab drivers. Every single one said Hey I am Lao. Never ever heard one say I am Thai Issan. I did have one student from Issan whose parents were teachers, she said Thai Issan. and some office janitors. That's it.

So what happens? New people is what happens. In from the airport and they chat with the cab driver...Thai or Thai Issan...how is a newcomer supposed to know about the details? Also, if you sit in the back, play it official, the driver says I am Thai...and if you keep asking, and he says Oh Thai Issan. ....I always sit in the front with the driver and read the license, ah Ubon...and away we go. I suppose some people speaking in English might elicit a national answer. Why should they tell new people who they are?

In fact, In Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai it is the same. Farang here from 15-50 years who have no idea the people here are Muang. Ask these people Oh I am Thai...but are you muang/kon nua or Thai ...oh, yes. well which are you..Both. In Chiang Mai you will get a tilt toward Thai but not in the other provinces. If you hit Chiang Mai peope with, "so you like centrals," their radar goes up...well um er... they don't want to come out and say it..so you give them samples, at which point they say, well yes they are different...but none of these guys will really get into it until you are further north in like Phayao or Phrae where they will not let centrals enter the villages. Now they will tell you.."centrals are jai dam...we hate them," but again you have to poke around, they know what they know and no reason to analyse it. You have to learn to just watch faces.

This is not a country where people wear T-shirts saying "arabs suck" or like the Welsh do about the English openly grumble. Everyone knows who dislikes who and it's muted, not expressed. So with Laos like Thais they can snap into the official party line or relax and let go...tone of voice, intent etc. People would say well you can never get the office workers and the students to talk...dead silence...but never in my experience....they were going at it right away and in fact I had no idea they would sit back and shut up...so some people project officialdom or ajarndom and others sense it, pick it up....
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Posted by Dicer | November 3, 2006 12:57 PM

fbuom says:

Dicer,

I understand the reference to The Nation, but provincial Kare11? Where did that come from?

fbuom

Stick Kettle On says:

Hey David

Any news on your plans yet?

My routine is shot to bits and I cant take any more of this inane argumentative crap above.

Quick update per chance?

SKO

---------

Hi SKO

I'll post an update shortly.

Regards
David

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
I have another approach. Quit obsessing over me and mentioning me at every available chance and the thread might actually stay on the subject of Thailand. The new years eve bombing thread went dead weeks ago but you still keep bringing this up. Move on old man, there are more interesting things to talk about. How about another story of one of your evening outings. I just love hearing about how much of a prude you are. Sounded more like my Sunday drive after church than a single man living the high life in Bangkok. I had more sex that evening than you did, and I AINT THERE.

Jom Tien says:

Common Sense: Prufrock is obviously a hate-filled bottom feeder in need of a psychiatrist. No one need worry about his opinions. If he praises you, then watch out!

Big Bob says:

what the fuck is the point of Keith Summers, for some reason i am yet to figure out, i still once a week waste 5 minutes of my life reading his drivel, i mean the last 2 articles there is just no point to them, they are not informative, funny or telling us anything we don't already know.
David please write a couple of lines on this twat so we can all slate him again.
Hurry up with your new site.

camuschula says:

I don't want to go another pedantic tirade, but unfortunately I will add a little to this discussion concerning why all the periphery Thais(Laos, North, etc) hate the central Thais. And let us not forget the Khmer/Thai living on the border regions of the East as well.

First, the Isaan Thai or Lao are actually descendants of slaves of wars between Ayudthaya/Bangkok and the Laotian kingdoms, Luang Prabang and Vientiane. The Emerald Buddha in Wat Pra Kaew was taken from the Lao as a war prize.

In other words, the Siamese would invade the neighboring countries, ethnically cleanse them, bring back the war captives to Siam, and then enslave them, forcing them to do all the crap work.

As you can see, the central Thais still treat these peripheral Thais like slaves and inferiors.

The Northern Thais, who are also considered to be Lao, have a culture and history that is completely different than Siamese/Central Thai history. And Lanna or the Nothern regions were not even incorporated into the Thai state until 1909.

Thailand was never a complete, whole unitary country until the last century. Before it was just made up city-states or muang that paid spiritual homage to the kings of Ayudthaya/Bangkok.

Moreover, these peripheral muang were always in perpetual state of rebellion against the central Thais.

Look at the South: They are still in a perpetual state of rebellion against Bangkok, and this shit goes back hundreds of years. This civil war is not new, it is more of the same.

And if you want to look at the current political situation, look at how the political lines are democratically divided between the Lao(North and Isaan) and the Central area.

People have to understand that Thaksin was the leader of the periphery Thais that were telling the central Thais to go fuck themselves. And that is one reason why they loved him so, because he was one of them. He was from Chiang Mai and a despised parvenu Chinese to boot.

However, the central Thai military slapped the periphery Thais back into line with the coup.

Thailand is a fragile state, held together only by a fascist bureaucratic/military complex that has used a mixture of propaganda and violence to keep things glued together in a typically half-assed Thai way.

Road Natzi says:

Fbuom,

You will be forgiven if you move 'off topic' at this time, I don't think David is too worried about it anymore.

Why were you going to ask me about John Howards Australia Day speech? I did not see it, hear it or care about it. Actually Australia Day I worked, 16 hours, then had a shit, a feed, a shower and slept, so I don't really know what you are talking about.

I think John Howard is a bit like Keith Stickcreature, I think they are both spineless cunts that wouldnt know a good thing if it jumped up and bit them right on the end of their miniture stalk.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to David or anything but you should really checkout bangkokgirlfriend.com some interesting stuff posted over there, TK doing a great job. I have noticed most you cluster fucks are here noodling in confusion and desperation.

Just google over to TK's site and checkout what happens when an icecream vendor takes a wrong turn in a southern province of thailand.

Dicer says:

Northern Thai history tells us that in 1281 King Mengrai marched triumphantly into Hariphunchai (now Lamphun), a city-state and several satellite towns within half a day’s march of each other, plus dozens of smaller villages. The Mon-Khmer lineage of Hariphunchai’s rulers (before Mengrai that is) gathered a scattered population to these municipal centres while southern vassal states moved beyond Muang-based political systems, into ‘modern’ feudal kingships. During this time Khmer dominance of the region collapsed, Mon-Dvaravati influence withdrew to the Chao Phraya’s central plains, and the Mongol Horde arrived. The population dynamic of the Chiang Mai-Lamphun basin has always tilted more towards the Tai (Yunnanese) and Burmese unlike to that of the Chao Phraya central plains which tilted more to Mon-Khmer.

A little more detail.

The story takes us even a little back to the time when Genghis Khan overthrew the Jin Dynasty crossed the Great Wall by 1213 and captured Beijing within three years. Later Kublai battled the Southern Song Emperors, to form the Yuan Dynasty. The fledgling empire of Lan Na was being born against this backdrop. That is, with fleeing inhabitants of Yunnan that went all the way to Sukothai and further down south. Mengrai assumed power in 1259, thirty-two years after the Western Xia sub-dynasty collapsed, losing control of the Tai districts in modern Yunnan and Sichuan. One source says Mengrai’s father is forenamed ‘Lao’, and Mengrai is often recorded as being of Lawa descent. Another tribe. Nothing to do with the Lao. It is only after the growing Mongol threat that Mengrai looked to Sukothai for help although Lan Na was bigger and stronger than Sukothai itself.

Too many runaway Tais chased out of China by Kublai and what did we get? The Sukhothai kingdom of course. Which was the first Thai 'state' founded in 1238. The funny thing is before 1238 there was no Tai- land to speak of. The people who have been here since 1500 BC are the Mon (an Indianised people) who converted to Buddhism. So perhaps Monland is a better term. If you look around villages in central Thailand you'll see darker Tamil looking people. Your current Central Thai peasant is a mixture of the Mon and Tai which essentially is the typical dark central Thai look. If you go north the Chin and Tai DNA dominates more. The point is historical Thai-ness emerged out of the never ending conflicts between Mon-Khmer on one side and Tai on the other. Even the Chakri ancestors are Mon.

Given the above it is strange that present day Thais scoff and sneer at Indianised people in general. Chips on thier shoulders perhaps?

Now as I said above successful wars with the Mon helped to establish the kingdom of Lan Na. The early Thai brought their Buddhist and Chinese traditions, but also assimilated much of the native Khmer and Mon culture.

It is not certain but historians guess that right after Kublais death the Mongols were expelled from present day Kentung. And shortly after Mengrai started building the city of Chiang Mai partly copied from the layout of Hariphunchai and Sukhothai and partly from Sichuan’s Chengdu, a major medieval silk producer.

Another way of considering the difference between Thai and Lao is to look at the Tai-Kadai languages which originated in Yunnan. Both Thai and Lao are in this group. Now we know Central Thais arrived in various waves and displaced the earlier native Mon and Khmer population as they settled the region with a large group settling during the Sung Dynasty. The Lao split off from the early Tai-Kadai peoples and moved into present day Laos, while another kindred people the Shan made their way into Burma. What has distinguished the Thais and Lao, linguistically as well as ethnically ever since is the Petchabun mountain range which separates present day Issan from the Central Plains.

The non stop sporadic wars between the Mon Tais Lao Khmers between 13th and 19th century meant endless exchange of women, slaves, and forced population displacement like the one following the Franco-Thai treaty which incorporated whatever was west of Mekong into Siam. Endless population mixing means there is actually very little difference between these people today. The first group to deny this fact and bleat about their purity and superiority (a la Phibun) are the Central Thais. So would it surprise anyone if the periphery people hated them? Even the Siam asli, the ethnically purer original Siamese who currently live as rice farmers in Malaysia do not like Central Thais. When they come to Bangkok for religious festivals they are often offered Thai ctizenship and they always say they are not interested.

Dicer says:

camuschula,

What I forgot to mention above is that you've got the summary right except perhaps a little inaccurate about Northern Thais... Or should it be Tais? Central Thais not only have Tai ancestry but pre Ramkhamhaeng Mon-Khmer blood. I wouldn't call Northerners Lao but Tai, closer to their ancestral home in Yunnan. And in fact if you look at the surrounding hill tribe folk like the Tai Yai (mountain Tais in Shan), Lisu, Kachin, Lahu etc they all resemble their cousins in Yunnan. Basically the Mongol push down south is what led your sneering mutants to settle the floodplains mixing as they did with the Indianised peoples of the first millennium.

Whatever present day link there is between Northerners and Lao you'd find it in Nan and Loei provinces where the people speak a wierd version of northern Thai and fringe Lao.

anon. says:

What a bunch of long winded panty wastes you are.

Prufrock says:

Common personally attacks and claims victory
over an imaginary character of his own invention.
Sound familiar?
Obsess over you? Common, you’re like that “fresh shit” smell on Sukhumvit across from the Landmark where they sell all the games. It’s there. I deal with it. And now I’m taking a few moments to deal with you.
You won’t get it but hundreds will.

Review time: Son, we’ve never met.
You know nothing about me.
You know less about what’s going on in Thailand.
Of geopolitics you know what you’re given on all those anti-jihadi websites you play on.
You just make all this stuff up as you go along, don’t you ?
This means you’re crazy, son.
We’re not supposed to use that term any more but it works here.
Crazy as a bag of hammers.

And Jom Tien?
You're a Pattaya roach right?
Who's the bottom feeder?

You're seeking to befriend a tool like Common. Who's in need of a psychiatrist.
Why don't you guys get together over a nice glass of warm flat Coke fresh outta the gourd of that "second floor" virtuoso bag lady?
That's how Common remembers Thailand. Scarfed down that banana too.
UMMMM-um Goooo-OOOOD

Prufrock says:

Cam: Ah, Dude. Lengthy reasoned posts about the jurisdiction in which most of us have chosen to spend our middle and our end game are certainly of interest.
They are not perdantic tirades.
If your posts betray a smattering of impatience with those of us who are either too busy with the daily scam of surviving here or too confused to buy another poorly written account of this ongoing drama, we understand.
Chill.
Thank you for your clear, concise synopsis of Siam's historical elements as they apply to the present. Assuming you pulled this stuff from various sources in print and on the web, would you go yet another step and tell us which books to buy next time we're in Kinokunya and which websites to check out and most importantly, which books to buy next time we're out of the country.

I have no problem reading this stuff.
Does anybody else read this stuff? Care about this stuff? Live here? Work here? Have kids here? Care?

Thanks again for taking the time to write them. But please a little patience for those of us who are looking outside the box as well.
You have only to scroll back to see what oozes out of some of these the "Sound bite" artists.
References? I have some what do you have?

regards
Prufrock

paulus says:

UNBERLIVEABLE !!!! whots name of new site ????? ill misss mango too munch !!

Prufrock says:

Common: As a friend, I feel I must caution you on one issue here. All that sex you had with yourself on Tuesday night while I was playing in the bars (here in Bangkok) if repeated to frequently, can lead to carpal tunnel issues.

I suppose it's also time to remind you that contrary to any proprietary interests you may have bestowed upon your self regarding this site it does not belong to you.

It's just so "textbook", Common.
All this "Mangoland" inclusionary and exclusionary ritual you insist on conjuring up for yourself further evidences how desperate you are for some kind of identity.

For a nominal deposit (refundable after three months on the job with no "interference" complaints from mothers or children) Compton Parks & Rec will issue you a uniform of sorts. . . the covetted orange crossing guard vest (reflective silver X optional)

Once back in uniform you can go back to calling people names and using all that macho parade ground language that makes you feel such a part of something. . . man of action as you explained for us at one point, if I remember.

Doofus.

tracey emin says:

Quite a simplisitc analysis.

fbuom says:

R.N.,

The apology was not because I was off-topic, but because I had said I wouldn't do it any more. Perhaps he wouldn't care, but I did.

The comment about J.H. wasn't so much about his speech as it was the reported reaction of the crowd to one of his panderings. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the newspaper, so I won't go there. (yeah, I still read the paper kind - when the hotel provides them for free. Oh, and that big word means, 'help[ing] to gratify unworthy desires of others'. Stock-in-trade for politicians of all stripes - or stars, or crescents, or what have you.)

What makes you think I haven't been over to visit TK?

All:

What is it with Prufrock? One minute he's a model of civility and funny posts, the next, he' foaming at the mouth - sometimes in response to the same thing!

fbuom

Assadd says:

Hey, Owner of Mangosauce... whatever you do, don't stop producing this site. If possible, turn it or morph it a bit. I personally like it just like it is. So, what I mean is, if it's not making some money or whatever, sell it to that other guy, but keep writing. It's fun to turn to it on those rare occasions when my Thai family is giving me some freedom to read and I'm not exhausted.

Prufrock says:

tracey emin: Quite a simplisitc analysis.

Yep. Sure was, wasn't it?.

www.bangkokdiaries.com says:

Hi David,

At least your site wasn't banned from google completely. I bought a domain through sedo.com and it was blacklisted by Google, it took months of correspondence with them to finally get it indexed.

Keep posting original articles like you do and it will steadily climb back up the rankings. I just wish my site (www.bangkokdiaries.com) could be a even a fraction as popular as yours.

Best regards,
Norrad

Dana says:

I thought only Dicer could make me shut up in wonder but now there is Camuschula. Great history guys. Of course the difference is that Camuschula might invite me into his home but Dicer would not even allow me on the property. But it's ok. Great history guys.

Anklebiter says:

Review time: Son, we’ve never met.
You know nothing about me.>>>

Prufrock, wake up call - people who read your posts know a lot about you. And it ain't flattering. Try various ways to get that festering anger out of your system. Try a nice sport like say skydiving or paintball or both at the same time. We know your life is a very sad and lonely thing but exercise can help. So can sex with a woman. Try it and see.

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
Well no shit i don't own this site, David does. Wow, I bet it took you and a team of fucking rocket scientists to figure that out. Just tell me though, who is the therapist that is going to see you through this debacle. With every post to me, you continue to prove my point that you are an obsessed old worthless cunt with no other reason for living. I wonder when your old lovely Om Sin will leave your viagra popping worthless ass for a stiff dick that can please her. It's only a matter of time you know. She has no other reason to be with an old worthless fuckstick like you than to wait for your impending death which will likely bring her millions of baht. Don't even try to pretend like your smart enough to prevent that, why else would someone live with you. Doubtfully for the quality sex life that you offer, limpdick old man. Go refill that viagra prescription and you might buy yourself another week with Om Sin before your put to through works by a younger stud.

I know it hurts, but it's reality you worthless old fuckstick cunt. I could fuck your Om Sin, ex-wife, daughter, mom, and future woman without even putting an ounce of effort into it. It's great not to be an old cunt. At least my dick still works un-aided by meds, can you say the same.

bob says:

why not get together with Stickman ,and streetmeatasia ,unify to a common cause .,mangostickstreet.com?Nigel can be the CEO !

Prufrock says:

Woooo hoooo COMMON Common common: Lad, you're getting too excited over there in the Mangoland trailer community.
Relax. Chill.
Well then again you might as well go on like a crazy man some more. There's about as much reality to your ravings as there is to your claims of expertise in matters geopolitical, history, local Thai politics, American politics, fly tying, truffle hunting and just about anything else you've commented on except where you're either stolen other poster's (mine, for example, and Road's) material {lifted your last post from Road;s style book right?} or just rolled over like a little puppy to get your belly rubbed.
Stop grabbin' yourself there fella.
Get out and get some exercise. You're just a-poppin' out of those Dockers now aren't you? you fat little fool?
Read some of Camuschula's historical summaries so you and I can talk about just how wrong you were about your Jihadi Bkk New Years theory (nobody's forgotten that one, either) I know six guys here (in Bangkok and Phuket) who are following it and we actually counted the head you bestowed on every and all after the humiliation you suffered at the hands of something called TRUE FACT.
Perhaps if you stopped saying all that stupid stuff about things nobody believes you have a clue on people's stop responding by telling you to blow it out your arse. It'd be a start anyway. Who knows?
We love your energy.
The way you went for that planted Murdoch jihadi story - like a little grass pike after a gum wrapper at a bass derby you were.)
Like I said, do your reading, stay in shape and when you get here you can teach my Belgian buddy how to fight in the street.

Regarding Om Sin: We've just come back from a meal with friends in Suk soi 3/1, (the Jihadi tourism soi.) Stopped off to check out some evening wear for Om Sin at An An Leather in soi 1. The new black glove-tanned New Zealand knee-highs fit perfectly. Leather T-back needed a snap fastener.
We decided to forgo the brassiere because even though she's past thirty, her breasts just stand on their own. They threw it in anyway because like I may have said before nobody else has tits like these.

Yeah, I paid for it all.
Pocket money, kid.
Pocket money ;-)

Regards
Prufrock (some help from lovely Om Sin)

Prufrock says:

Ok fbuom. What's up. What's your beef?

D333 says:

After checking in regularly to Mangosauce over the years, I think the time has come to abandon ship. Reading the above posts (from several sources)makes for depressing and disappointing visits to the website. The juvenile, spiteful and vulgar posts that now bedevil any thread look as though they were written by a number of young school boys with issues- with women and with themselves. Pathetic and delusional if they really think that the larger readership is interested in their drivel.

This website was once witty, informative and I believe a source of pleasure to thousands.

David - please, once you get the new website up and running can you not strive to raise the editorial level? (Yes, I realise this is not something you want to spend time on for the current site)However, at present the site seems to have been Shanghai'd by a bunch of morons with, I suspect, precious little to say of any interest to the majority of your readers.

Boorish blowhards contributed 90% of the posts above. Nearly all strike me as the kind of idiots you might have the misfortune to sit next to at a bar. For a minute they pass as vaguely interesting and informed but five minutes later one is making excuses to 'move on' to the next watering hole- making a mental note to not get dragged into anything further than a 'hello'if one has the bad luck of running into the fool again.

If some editorial conrol concerning what is posted in the future is not exercised, there will be no point in starting a new site-nobody will want to read this guff.

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
What have you ever posted about the BKK NY attack that was ever TRUE FACT. I don't recall any outside sources other than your worthless cockholster.

Dicer says:

Consequences dear boy, consequences....

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?
StoryId=65663

Let the likes of Ford decide the future of Thailand for all to see. The odd thing is the Pinoys are generally well educated and aware what they are doing (as they can realistically compare themselves with the outside world) but can't get their acts together as their country gets worse by the year. The Thais are too insular, uneducated and in a state of being (that is to say, unaware and unthinking), but they seem to have a semblance of normality going. Not easy to explain away this dynamic. One can say that the Thais have the police and provincial mafia gnawing at the economy preventing as it does real long term progress. The Pinoys' have their armed gangs and insurgents. Both have the "Muslim problem." Thailand has a huge advantage of 4 million hectare farmland (making it a food basket) to Philippines 1.5 million. Thailand has a stable but vast bureaucracy even under coups to the Philippines brutal and sporadic upheavals and unstable governance. In the end though Pinoy education wins the day, attested by the many who have hospital and technical jobs across the world and excellent multilingual skills. In money terms, while the yawning wealth gap in Thailand is filled by the monies earned by half a million hookers (most of them seasonal***) the Pinoys rely on billions of dollars of remittances from their overseas workers.

I think the dynamic that has created advantages in Thailand's favour could be partially explained by the fact that there has been no war in Thailand for almost 50 years and a steady rise in investment since the 50s. Most of all though a comatose population that is willing to be herded in any direction makes for a workable system. Although this system is not solid and could not last long in any other culture or country it manages to sustain itself here in sneers and giggles. Also Thais have the auditory mental structure that compels their alienated selves to form little cogs in an organisable swarm life directing them to do what needs to be done. That is, they can organise themselves very well. You can't say the same about the Pinoys. Or Mexicans or many many countries in Africa and the Mid East.

As for awareness one Pinoy agronomist put it nicely when he said that every time he comes to Thailand for a conference the Thais do their rote presentations and can't even engage in meaningful conversation other than "ooh your face look Thai mak mak" and then scarper to noodling heaven. I said, maybe they should put up WELCOME TO NOODLING AND CORIANDER UTOPIA up at the airport. This chap has been coming to Thailand for 23 years. I asked if he has any Thai friends, someone he can call a good friend. His answer: not one.

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*** I wonder if the concept of seasonal hookers can be researched. A sporting idea for a PhD thesis for an aspiring Chula doctor would be to see,

1) If there is a direct positive correlation between seasonal climate change and patterns of vast hooker movement across the provinces esp. between Pattaya and Issan. (This would be a bit like studying the monsoon.) To be awarded to the Meteorology Department at Chula.

2) As women who live in close proximity tend to synchronise their menses, to find out if there is a once monthly dip in the earnings of bars, districts, hookers and to find out if the earnings of say DTAC or AIS goes up and down during this time. This is worthy of a Masters degree. A co-operation between the Medicine and Marketing Depts at Mahidol.

3) If seasonal hooker movement back to the villages has a real (or nominal) pattern. That is, what happens when the girls head for hog heaven time and consequently vast numbers of productive rural-genitals are lying in fallow. As Professor Pendulum would say does this occur in cycles and therefore not impinge on the nation's income or does it occur in fits and starts and thereby creating dips in GDP. Another Masters degree. Economics Dept at Thamaasat.

The results could help improve things like phone company ads on the packs of sanitary towels, better provision of slaughtered cattle and supply of beef and pork at provincial markets when hookers are in fallow mode. More seasonal commercials of pickup trucks for aspiring mamasans and rural families. The list goes on....

dingdongrb says:

Hey Purfrock,

Get it right, you don't know 'six guys', you only know six gays. (You're speed typing again.)

And next time take your lil lady to Lane Bryant's. I'm sure they have more of her size there. (perky nums, ha, probably all plasteek)

dingdongrb says:

Oh, by the way, did I mention that Bell did not invent the phone?

dingdongrb says:

Hey D333,

"This website was once witty, informative and I believe a source of pleasure to thousands."

It's still an informative site.

'Bell did not invent the telephone.' I bet you didn't know that, did you?

Prufrock says:

Prufrock, What have you ever posted about the BKK NY attack that was ever TRUE FACT.(?)
The entire thrust of my posts regarding that tragedy was that there was that there was so much more to investigate that it was just too early to tell.
This latest scenario is just another chapter in an ongoing situation here on which you would do well to read and educate yourself and the feeding of this latest explanation to the media may or may not suit the real culprits.
Were you aware that there were very few cameras operating that night? Now its all about video surveillance footage. This political environment is positively Byzantine in its complexity and I and many others took exception to your unhelpfully simplistic PRONOUNCEMENT that BKK NY was a jihadi deal.
And Common? will you stop your yapping about "conspiracy theories" The reason there are conspiracy theories is that there are conspiracies. I guess that's like finding out when you were a kid that your mom and dad "did it" to make you but that and the fact that YOUR government has murdered millions of people over the last fifty years simply because they wanted to nationalize their own resources and control their own destiny contrary to the plans of your great leaders is also a fact.
There are many such facts.
You, as you always do on this and other sites, either hold yourself out as an expert on whatever's being discussed and give us your un-considered opinion on it. And then you fight with anyone who disagrees with you. And then you ignore the story or declare it closed or whatever it is you do.

The fact of the matter is that when you chimed in predictably as you always do with your "all the hallmarks of an al Qaeda attack" Common Nonsense I had to tell you to shut the fuck up.

And by the way a debate starts with a resolution. There is a formal exchange of views facts and opinion. You and I have not debated anything here.
Wait and see what developes .
Or would you just like to add this to the consensus that we should kill Muslims because they hate our way of life or some such shit?

Common Sense says:

Dicer,
I have often wondered this about the differences between the Thai's and Pinoy's. When in Thailand I was rathered impressed by how modern the place was for a third world country, but was even more astounded by the general stupidity of the people there. It was a challenge to even get correct change back. Before you go thinking I was getting ripped off it was normally the opposite and I was getting too much money back. Then there was the piss poor service due to no managerial leadership and lack of a workable process. The effort was there, but the mental ability to put it all together into a workable system was not.

In contrast I have known/dated//fucked a lot of Filipinas and generally find them to be very intelligent and motivated. When I was in PI a few months ago the poverty and living conditions of most areas were rather surprising. The businesses were usually run properly and the education level was high.

How can a bunch of idiots seemingly make there way to higher living standards, while a country of intelligent people can't manage to improve even their infrastructure to even make it into the 20th century.

dingdongrb says:

"The entire thrust of my posts regarding that tragedy was that there was that there was so much more to investigate that it was just too early to tell."

Slow down Prufrock, now you're stuttering, and it's making that BS even more muffled.

Common Sense says:

Prufrock,
You would only like us to believe that was the thrust of your posts. It's amazing how you attempt to downplay what you've said and redirect in the hopes that all of it was forgotten and people are to lazy to reread the drivel. I'm sure Dicer could even explain how this is another common That trait that goes along with saving face. Sort of like his post on the bombing thread about how the Thai administration are just totally ignoring all their statements a month ago that this was not southern related.

Keep on with all this basesless US policy drivel that has nothing to do with this conversation. I will keep on track though. Oh I'm sorry, were you hoping the usuall chorus would jump in and muddle out this conversation defending against your Anti-Americanism.

Smiler says:

First pictures of Carrie?? The good news is she has lost a few pounds. Click on the "why I go to Thailand" picture if you are brave enough.
http://ocug.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

fbuom says:

fbuom said:
"Personally, while it will _never_ happen in Thailand - too much 'face' to be lost, I'd prefer they leave the domestic flights at Suvarnabhumi and move the international flights back to Don Muang"

http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/
07Feb2007_news03.php

Fut the whuck? (It's not mis-spelled - it's midwest US English phonetically spelled;-)

The Thai are becoming rational? Or is the partial move just another way to confuse us all and give the taxi drivers a windfall?

BTW: Saw it first on BBC.com, can't find that link now.

fbuom

Prufrock says:

Um, No?
Common bore, does your keyboard short out occasionally, you know, with all that drool?