My bizarre Stickman ordeal

Prorogue says:

Nothing much to be concerned about,as MangoSauce is worth reading just for it's clean layout. Not to mention that I have actually rolled on the floor and laughed my ass off on some posts. Not that I'd ever use 'that' acronym....ever.

Sticks OK but he's no Cpernicus.

TANAI KWAI says:

David,

Agree with PROROGUE. Your clean layout and easil digestible format are the future. While Stickman's site has its appeal, yours seems better suited to multiple visitation, which is -- despite your puzzling statement that Mango Sauce doesn't "sell" anything -- the name of the game. (If it doesn't sell anything why then is my office crammed with Linguaphone and DCO merchandise since I began visiting?)

Aside from recognizing that a major site overhaul is in order, Mr. Man no doubt perceives that your edgy style and content are more in tune with what the target audience wants to discuss on a daily basis. While undeniably useful, his site seems more sermonesque and merely informational than entertaining. But both resources have merit and the community, such as it is, benefits from each.

I used to know a guy who still owns a small hotel in Phuket. Like Stickman, this aging, increasingly petty American loved to minister to me about Thailand before becoming terse and threatened as I gained my own footing and modest knowledge. I vividly recall him telling me that a lot of the foreigners in Phuket hate one another and thus fail to take advantage of the commercial synergies that could be harnessed by banding together. I analogize this attitude to Mr. Man's and would suggest that he may only be hurting himself.

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Whippet says:

I don't think you've got anything to worry about, David. When I first moved to Thailand I found Stickman's site informative, but little else. Even in my early days in BKK and not knowing my arse from my elbow in this jungle, I would have been a regular visitor but for the site design, (hint: columns of text should be narrow) and the lack of any sort of decent navigation makes finding what you are looking for a chore.

I think both sites compliment each other nicely but I know which one I read everyday, and which one I, ahem, don't.

Bangkok Phil says:

Dave,
There is far too much emphasis placed on reciprocal links and yahoo placement rankings, etc, etc.
I've always gone by the rule that if your site is good enough then people will always find it.

mr peter says:

Publishing private emails is a bit below the belt in my opinion, if someone does not want to put something on his site thats up to him. I don't see why it has to be be aired in public, still that's up to you this is your site and you obviously feel badly treated by mr stick. I thought he had previously publish something from here? maybe before this site was launched?
Mr stick is still a must read every sunday but I must confess to looking here everyday. Can a daily article be kept up though?-peter

Yehtmae says:

stickman, now..... oh bollocks I can't be arsed to comment on this.

C.WOWW says:

I get the impression Stickman doesn't want anything too 'smutty' or controversial on his site. I met him once, ages ago in Woodstock, and he seemed like an OK guy. We've exchanged a few e-mails and he's always polite. Maybe he should just say 'Look it's my website I post what I want. If you don't like it piss off.'

TANAI KWAI says:

"Publishing private emails is a bit below the belt in my opinion..."

Mr. Peter,

I would be more queasy about this had Mr. Man not all but threatened legal action (ha ha) against David based on unverified, gossamer-thin rumors of libel.

C.Woww rightly urges David to accept that Mr. Man is an old-school guy who doesn't cotton to talk of "minges" or "mouse ears." (He has some valuable stuff to share but the "Khun Frank" piece he just posted, for example, reads like a Harlequin Romance.)

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John U says:

Stickman may be a nice guy to talk to etc., but he does suffer from a few faults, one of which David has experienced i.e. he tries to avoid an issue he doesn't like by not replying. I think he wants to be loved by all, so tries not to upset anyone by burying his head for a while.

I'll bore you about him one last time by giving you my examples.

I was coming to BKK and offered to meet him, he agreed and gave me his cell phone number. When I arrived, I phoned him. It was switched off so I left a message. Heard nothing for a few days so left another message. No reply so sent him an email....

When I got back to UK, I emailed him again. This time he replied to say he never answered messages on his cell phone ?????? Same sort of response David got. Avoid by playing ostrich.

I also question his manners and gratitude.

A few years ago he mentioned how he and his girlfriend (now wife) had started getting a taste for wine, and how expensive it was in BKK. I brought him a very nice bottle of white from UK and let him know when I hit BKK.

I thought it strange that he didn't come to collect it, but then I had to go to Korat for a few days, and emailed him that I would leave it at reception.

Needless to say he collected it while I was away. The girls at reception phoned me to say "Mr. Paul have wai". I had no comment from him.

After returning home I emailed to ask what the wine was like. "Great" was his reply. No "thank you", and he wouldn't have said anything had I not asked.

Add these endearing traits to his ever more PC attitude, and he's lost at least one guy who used to be an avid reader of his site.

shack says:

oh please stop it - your killing me JOhn U!!!!

your so funny!!! kill me i tells ya!!!

as if you are going to bring wine half way round teh world!!! just to butter up some bloody stranger!!! you'd never crawl and arse lick that!!!

as if!!!!!!!!!

hehehhehheheheheheee

fk me

lawro says:

here John U...... happen i have to remind thee...
you posted this just couple o'weeks back...
thon are fkn obssessed lad.
did this poor stick cunt not give you a reach around when he were up ya chuff?
fk hell, give it a rest man
souey would have broke you in half on't first tackle
all mouth and no boolix you snidey little cunt

Billy,

I refuse to look at his website (Stickman) anymore. All it does is give him some more numbers to boost his advertising.

Since I had a disagreement with him over postings I'm never going to help him by adding to his numbers - the twat.

I did mention previously that there was a strange relationship between him and a guy who calls himself Caveman. In his wisdom David didn't show it, and rightly so probably.

Posted by John U | May 1, 2004 03:38 PM

John U says:

Strange but true.

Yes I did - purely to arse lick. Thought it would be useful to have a well connected friend in BKK. Silly me.

You couldn't get a decent bottle of vino in Thailand then.

You're such a cynic shack. You're more of a cynic than Cynic. He'll be worrying about his status.

John U says:

More pearls of wisdom from Lawro.

Nothing wrong with my memory, but your short term memory seems to be defective.

Remember my comment "I'll bore you one last time with my examples"?

You seem to have forgotten within minutes because now you ask me to give it a rest when I've already told you it's my last comment about him.

Lawro, I told you before, you have to read the piece and understand it before you comment. Once again, you look such a twat when you show all the readers that you an incapable of understanding a simple piece of prose.

My little pieces are not exactly quantum physics, but you consistently fail to understand them. What do I deduce from that? Same as everybody else. You must be as thick as shit.

Never mind there has to be one nut case in every village, and we seem to be stuck with you.

So we'll expect you to carry on with the weak football references, but could you try to make them at least a little amusing, like Chopper Harris?

lawro says:

and you couldn't resist it could you John U?

NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my old friend Chopper? as hard as my first shit in teh morning? where was he in eth battle of stamford bridge in 85? retired years earlier thats where!

globetrotter69 says:

fuck stickman and fuck the other egotistical pricks that arent willing to tell the truth or help eachother do so. I offered a link exchange which he evaded and then finally turned down (similar to mango dudes). I did offer and get a swap with mangosauce.com anyway, i think he doesnt want to share links with people whose web sites arent as highly rated as his. fortunately, my sites are now at the top of the google search lists and i dont read his crap anymore. lonely planet are another bunch. i posted a non-offensive, important public service warning and they decided to not to let it stay on their bulletin board. stupid fucks. hope no-one dies as a result of their misguided egos or whatever.
keep up the good work

BWWAAAHHHH says:

Why do you want to have a link on a site that is owned by a guy who used to export pirated software to his home country? !MBaht was his bail.

Stickman's Wife says:

This has been drawn to my attention. My husband is a decent man who does his best to help all those who request it. He does not deserve this and it is making him ill. Please can you stop these posts. Thank you.

Bickle says:

Fucking Hell. Good site. Glad it's not just me that finds the stick crowd a bit up their own arses. Oh, and Frankie in the Yukon sent me over here. He has no issues.

BWWAAAHHHH says:

> My husband is a decent man who does his best to help all those who request it.

Decent? What a joke!

David says:

You are not Stickman's wife. You must be having a slow day at the offices of Bradford Metropolitan District Council in England. You are, in fact, a cheeky "Monkey" - David.

BWWAAAHHHH says:

Maybe she is visiting one of her sponsors?

Tasty says:

John,

I happen to know that David's tipple of choice is a beer called Jenlain. It's Belgian and comes in brown bottles - if you can get it in Thailand it probably costs a bomb.

I'm sure he'd appreciate it if you brought a case over for him on your next trip. It might cost you a few bob in excess baggage costs but if it helps you with your 'I need to be liked by complete strangers' complex, then it will be money well spent.

Mind you, he's a good judge of character so he definitely won't want to collect it off a fruitcake like you face to face. I suggest that you find another hotel receptionist who's willing to hold onto it.

John U says:

Well tasty he definitely collected the wine from (not off - it wasn't growing on me) such a fruit cake.

I didn't know I had that complex. How did you come to that conclusion?

The Old Dutch has a vast variety of Belgian beers. (corner of Soi Cowboy). I've enjoyed a few bottles in there myself. Tell him to go there. Not sure if they have Jenlain.

All that I've said about the guy is true. Obviously some people don't like it, but tough shit ,as they say. Needless to say I won't be bringing him any more offerings.

I'm not saying he's all bad, obviously some people know him as a nice guy. However, I wouldn't go to him again for any PI work.

Marmite says:

^ Not as vast as it once was, but better than nowt.

Clive Luff says:

Hi all!
Actually Jenalian is French beer (http://www.bottledbeer.co.uk/index.html?beerid=781). It's about the ONLY decent thing to come out of France. I look forward to trying the Belgian beers in the Old Dutch in June, though, when I go visit my girlfriend. Cheers!

Anonymous says:

I look forward to having some beers when i visit your girlfriend too.

Mike says:

His Private Eye service does suck and i would advise anybody NOT to use it. i asked to him to locate a girl for me and gave him a list of bars she used worked at. he only visited one of those places and charged me i think 8000 baht and never found the girl. i asked him why he didn't visit the other places i listed and he never gave me a reply. the guy's a fucking pussy. fuck him.

KDub says:

Since we are talking about finding girls...I'm trying to locate one named Nind that looks a lot like that one up in the top left corner. Hmmm...

Stick has a good site, seems like an OK guy to me.

Nicko says:

Stick is a good lad. Asked him a few things over the years and always had very quick, accurate, replies.

Would like to hear his version of events but that probably won't happen.

And, at the end of the day, who gives a shit

vietnamjoe says:

did you all know that stickman got beaten up by some thai guys not too long ago? that is why he is so scared to meet new people.

Tracey Eminem says:

oops. no one's biting.

kananga says:

Stickman a well connected friend in Bangkok? An english teacher with a perverts guide to bangkok website? Ha!

anthony byrne says:

Come on why all the sour grapes I dont blame stick for protecting his business
i would not advertise my competition
I have red stickman for years and have no complaints I will also check you guys every week regards Anthony

Marc Holt says:

Whingeing about Stickman only makes you look bad. Just coz you didn't get what you wanted you not only go off and sulk, but you complain publicly. Shame on you!

Eniac says:

That's a lovely sentiment Marc. It will stand you in good stead should Stickman ever require a bum-chum.

Wife Beater! says:

Mark with a C? Definately Stick's bum chum. You've probably bumed 'em all, ya filthy bummer!

Road Natzi says:

Without a doubt, David's site is much better than sticks.

The only problem is those queer fucks that keep writing into David's site, ie: Common, Pants Elk and any other cunt that annoys me.

Keep up the good work David, let me know when your in Australia & I will buy you the wine !!

Grunt says:

The more info on expat life in the LOS, the better!

Its a fascinating subject and offers some glimmer of hope to the western man that is repulsed by the legions of neurotic "average western females" out there.

But, if there is one thing status quo nitwits hate more then anything, its HOPE!

Thats why they swarm here and shit the place up with their idiotic long winded posts.

Very simple concept...but one David seems utterly unable to grasp.

Mork says:

If anyone's interested in who David is you can spot him by Road Natzis boots sticking out of his arse.

The Shadow says:

stickman is evil