Bangkok Post attacks Mango Sauce

Dana says:

If I applied for the job at the Post that Narin has I probably would not get it. But the Post was so impressed with her that she got the job. And the result is predictable. Weak emotional responses to the world and men are supposed to take every hit. I stopped holding doors for women twenty years ago. Women want to be treated equally. Ok, first get equal.

Saeb says:

Oh Dear,
Done it again haven't you?.
Mind you in all fairness - some 'Caucasian' women just don't get it at all.
Example: Last week as I am tromping along Saphan Khwai on my way to buy an ironing board -see, no slave Thai women in my apartment, I espy walking in front of me a Germanic wench (I knew that cos' she had German written on her wee rucksack).
She was in her bare feet.
I gave her a tap and suggested that rats pee in the street, dogs shit in the street, and the offal with the worms in it all gets trampled down overnight and even more mixed around after a bit of rain..........
Hepatitis being the least of her worries.
If she even has a tiny little break in the skin of her feet.
She said, "Ah, but it feels more free"
I pointed out that the only people who walk around in Bangkok with no foot covering are the homeless and look at how people look at you.
Hope she enjoys the hookworm.
I forgot to tell her how to buy yaa paa yat.
Farang ladies are idiots - but not all.
Same percentge as Farang guys I reckon.
Sign me,
More than an idiot!.

Grunt says:

First off, let me state that lyle does not interest me enough that I would actually bother to send her "hate mail". Poke fun at the laughable hypocricy and self-absorption maybe.

Second, we should all note how the disease of feminism can turn an otherwise well adjusted girl into a wild eyed, snarling bolshevik very much resembling narin.

Just like the box warns, some settling of contents may occur during shipping.

Top_Cat says:

Fairly typical Falang woman behaviour.

Along the lines of "I am an independant professional woman and WILL express my own opinions."

Then when criticised the agressor or third party allie will come up with:

"But I am a mother of a baby I am thso weak and defenceless how can someone be so howwibble to me." Cue tears.

Quite simple darlings dish shit out and shit will be returned. Its called equality. But thats not what you're about.

Dick Renegade says:

Ms. Walter and Narin Taylor can lick my ass with Heinz tomato ketchup.

philH says:

Ahhhh! The classic woman's defence, tears and a hissy fit. It is good to see that western education has produced another battery hen.

Bangkokram says:

Shame the Post didn't print the web address for Mangosauce!

Nice way to get extra hits, just to see what Narin was raving about.

Hugh Jarse says:

Well - it's time to give Narins phone number to the pizza delivery boy - or was it the UPS guy?

By the way, does "yaa paa yat" work on German women?

steve says:

still don't get it, do you?

it was a letter written in by a reader of Guru magazine!!!!

it was not an article of the bangkok post or of guru!!!!

the national newspaper did not attack you!!!! they didn't even know that you exist!!!!

it was a reader that wrote in a letter!!!!!!!

hello macfly, is anyone home?????

shit, they even omit (censored out) the site's name!!!!!!!!!!!

nobody who reads the letter even know what site the letter refers to, unless you're a reader of mangosauce!!!!!!!!!!!

the woman narin doesn't write for guru!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you dopes!!!!!!!!!!

they simply published a letter from a reader, narin!!!!

it was clear and obvious!!!!!!!!

what is wrong with you people?????

can you not comprehend english???????

If you find something wrong with that letter, why don't you criticize it?????

If Narin made bad points, then argue against those points!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stop whining and bitching already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

god damn, i like this site, but you're handling this issue very badly here...

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Hi Narin/Steve

Your IP adress reaveals that you're actually one and the same person, you sneaky girl.

Using a false identity to prop up your case merely undermines it.

For the record, your piece was a full-page article presented in the form of a letter.

Real letters get published on the letters page.

Regards
David

narin says:

LoL...

This is too funny. Now i can see that "the Lyle incident" isn't an isolated mistake.

I don't work for the Bangkok Post. I just wrote in as a reader. It was stated clearly in the letter and in the introduction.

Heck, the editor didn't even know there's such a thing as mangosauce. He even asked me to take out the name of the site in the letter.

Come one really, you can do better than this.

If you want to attack somebody, fine. But at least get it right.

Sigh...

george says:

Narin, whatever laxative you've taken is surely working. Bloody hell. I think Dicer saw right through you, didn't he? Is that what set you off? Well you can come and eat my foot!

Andy says:

Oh! The drama!!! "When Blog Divas Collide" etc. ;-)

I thought Lyle did a good job explaining the context of her original piece in the Guru mag.
And maintained her sense of humour too.

I don't mind being called a "bitch" much at all. In fact, its something I normally pay extra for when I'm getting a good flogging at the "The Cave". hehe.
(erm,... joking!)

narin says:

David,

steve works at the same office i do. several people shares different computers here.

i can tell you that he isn't the only one posting on your site from this office. You'll find lots of the same IP's if you care to check.

and in case you haven't notice, guru doesn't have a letter page.

it's a letter from a reader. They can put it on whichever page they want, that's not my business. But that doesn't change the fact that it is what it is, clearly --- just like it doesn't change the fact that once again, you've got it wrong and again, make a "false" accusation.

in any case, can you find anything that is wrong with the letter i wrote?

you say the letter "falsely" accusd, back it up please...

let's have a real debate that sticks to the point rather than "falsely" accuse or "falsely" misrepresent or just making insults.

i welcome you to debate it.

Here's an example:

You misquoted and misrepresented Lyle's article.

I cited the full quotes, thereby exposing your accusation as being false.

And several people on this board sees that.

Look at Andy.

Logic and Evidence. I'm sure you'd agree.

Here's another example:

You accused that the Bangkok Post attacked you personally.

I challenged anyone to open Guru and see that it's a letter from me -- a reader -- with nothing to do with the mag.

Once again, logic and evidence.

________________________________________

If you don't believe me, write a letter to the editor of Guru and ask him. And also you might want to thank him for having the name of this site censored out.

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Hi Narin

It might be ok to tell face-saving lies in Thai culture but your time in America should have taught you that Westerners value straightforwardness and honesty - characteristics that you appear to lack.

"Steve" not only shares your IP address but also your idiosyncratic patterns of speech and argument.

I've already dealt with your other points so I won't repeat myself.

Regards
David

sniffer says:

Sex Wars: much less fun in reality than the name might suggest. Seems to me that some of the basic points behind all this are:

Western women in East Asia have a pretty miserable time of it

Western blokes such as me find this pretty hilarious

Western women lash out at their male counterparts as at best shallow fools and at worst sexpats

Western blokes such as me find this pretty hilarious

Western women go on to patronisingly dismiss East Asian women as skinny, submissive Barbie Dolls

Western blokes such as me find this pretty hilarious

The Cosmo Girl ideal of "having it all" has been taken by British women as licence to stagger in gangs around British town centres on weekend nights apeing the worst aspects of early-20's lad culture; clutching alcopops, shrieking like harridans, displaying tattoed beer bellies beneath crop tops and vomiting and pissing in the gutter. Humourless American women are quieter but perhaps even more annoying

Western blokes such as me find this less than hilarious and sod off to Asia to find an alternative

_ _ _ _

Narin and Lyle didn't seem like such bad sports compared to many western women I've met in this part of the world but I'm disappointed at the way the former has now girlily cried foul. If you want to have it all, you can't have it both ways

Dicer says:

The Narin thinker "thank" somemore to solve the recent "Lyle issue" and perhaps in the process she made sure that when you google "Narin Taylor" you'd get a smudge of shite surging out to some website as opposed to the search result ending in the ether vacuum. Narin obviously has problems separating her representations here with her insignificant real self..... this really is sutuation comedy... aaah and bless....the epic battle with post TOEFL English and the lack of comprehension not to mention the choppy non sequitur sentences.

I think Mr Taylor has been missing his dinners when the overworked Narin was drafting the letter in the past week. What really did it for Narin was this accolade:

"Narin, you're giving Helen Reddy a run for her money. I wish I had your mettle. Your empathy and passion for justice on behalf of a stranger are unparalleled -- thank you for joining the discussion!" Posted by Lyle | September 1, 2006 4:54 PM

This has clearly gone to her head and a new purpose was born.

It is easier to give tarts like Narin a make over and a new purpose and perhaps a job on channel 7 to teach expat men how to walk a tart, how to feed them, how to keep them from humping guys in alleys while you look at dvds, how to stop them from sneering behind your back, how to get them to stop whispering to others "gin farang muu" (when you go out to eat), how to put them on a general normalization program starting with reading fairy tales and working up, how to de program the cash-home factor, how to get them to stop trying to look like Pigalle hookers.... and once normalization kicks in you proceed to teach them how to do logical follow-ups and what exactly evidence means. But hang on, you have to put Narin through that logic course before...hmmm easier said than done.

narin says:

David,

Steve is Steve. I'm me. And you're not an expert in speech pattern, so please don't try to pass your intuition off as fact.

About 4 or 5 people at my office post on your site, that's just the way it is.

If nothing else, then just be happy that you have people who like this site and wish to contribute.

Like I said before, I like your site, I just don't like your treatment of Lyle's article... and then my letter.

I could be a fat, drunk English guy in Pattaya pretending to be a Thai woman, but all my points still stand.

It's the internet. I don't know you. You don't know me. So character assassination isn't going to get anyone anywhere --- just take a look at my quip with dicer on the other thread --- fun, but pointless.

So let's stick to the issues.

My letter to guru was pretty clear. If you're interested, I can post the letter on here, so that everyone can read and judge for themselves.

Problem solved.

Put the original letter next to your accusations. And let the people read and draw whatever conclusion for themselves.

How about it?

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Hi Narin

Are you blind? I've already reproduced the full text of your article above.

Regards
David

somchai says:

I think we should all be adults about this and just let the issue die.

Narin,
You made your points and they were well made, so let it go. Keep coming on here and arguing will just inflame the drama more and blow everything out of propotions.

David,
The Bangkok Post doesn't have a conspiracy against you. With all due respect, but I don't think they care or even realize the existence of mangosauce.com. It was a letter from a reader. You stand by your accusations of Lyle and Narin, and that's your right.

To all,

But obviously, I hope we can all realize that this is all getting quite silly and unproductive.

David and Narin, I'm sure you both have better things to do with your life.

If there are lessons to learn here, then it is that David might become more careful of what he reads and quotes in the future, and Narin might be less combattive and learn to let go some.

Cheers,

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Hi Narin

It's funny how all your messages of support - including this one - originate from your own computer.

Perhaps we'll be be hearing from "Narin's Mum" next.

Regards
David

steve & narin says:

no david,

my post and narin's and patrick's and robert's would be from the same office.

we don't know somchai. but he made a point which I think we all should follow. In fact, Narin just laughed and said she gives up, realizing the futility of it all.

Or maybe it's because I just gave her a report to do. Work comes before play.

Oh and Narin isn't one of my split personalities, let me assure you. I love Thai women, in fact I love bar girls, but I don't love Thai women enough to pretend to be one.

steve says:

Oh and dicer, really dude. You're waging a war against a woman here. One woman. One single woman, who simply stated her opinion which had nothing to do with you. Be a man and let it go. She said her peace, you said yours - that should be enough. Calling her a tart a thousand times isn't going to solve anything.

Eniac says:

This is priceless.

Narin's alter ego, Somchai, pleads for the issue to die.

It's not surprising.

Narin had her moment in the media spotlight... and choked.

David says:

Narin

Please give yourself and your "co-workers" a coffee break.

Your clumsy attempts to manipulate this forum have failed.

You've broadcast your opinion repeatedly through multiple characters and it's time to give others a say.

Regards
David

philH says:

"this is all getting quite silly and unproductive"

Nice one Somchai. What exactly are we supposed to be producing here? This is a site for all and sundry to gob off on various topics with the central theme of Thailand and Bangkok in particular. This is no Olympian literary arena, there are no Booker prizes being handed out although some contributors may consider themselves worthy.

As for David having something better to do, he runs this site, what better things can he have to do.

But your best is that he should be more careful of what he quotes in the future. For any journalist to complain about being misquoted is a bit rich. These people make a living from quoting out of context, misquoting and when all else fails downright lying just to submit a piece and get laid, sorry paid.

BTW Narin, the "advertisements" like Bar Girl Treasure Hunt are not advertisements at all. They are links to some of the site's previous postings. I suppose your letter would not have been quite so saucy without a little misrepresentation, but why didn't you use "Please Listen to my Fartings"?

I also don't believe the Bangkok Post refused to publish the site's address after all "we at Guru like to stir up a bit of controversy".

Anonymous says:

(Quoting Eniac):"This is priceless.

Narin's alter ego, Somchai, pleads for the issue to die.

It's not surprising.

Narin had her moment in the media spotlight... and choked."

Maybe lacking the Big Match Temperament?

MS is starting to look like a true BBS forum in that the schizo trolls and cyber drama queens are turning up to keep things entertaining. Whoopee whoo!

Caro Malta says:

maybe she was on her period?

Lyle says:

Yeegads. Here is what happened:

Guru runs a week ahead. In other words, the piece I wrote for last Wednesday, 6 Sept., did not appear on Friday, the 8th. It will appear on Friday, the 15th.

Remember when a poster wrote that the criticism must have rattled my cage as evidenced by the lame column that appeared in the 1st Sept. Guru? It WAS lame, and my cage WAS rattled, but the writing's lameness was due to jetlag the previous week, not MS because this stuff hadn't started yet.

So now to Narin's letter-turned-entire-page in Guru. I discovered my MS unveiling on Tuesday, 29th Sept., while procrastinating from writing for my Wednesday deadline for Guru. Yes, it rattled my cage. I had writers' blue balls. What if I offended more people?! MS hadn't liked it either when I did bland "elevator music" like "the exotic sights and sounds of Bangkok blah blah", wherever would the critiques end, etc. So I called my editor at deadline and told him I had nothing, but that my friend was sending over a funny piece about Bangkok transportation, including great photos. Right. Sorted.

Then Thursday my editor emailed me that I had a "defender" in the MS chaos, who wanted her letter published in Guru. At the time, I felt self-righteously angry that MS misrepresented (in my eyes) my piece without letting readers see the version that first ran in Guru, so although I tried to be a good sport in the comments section (esp. because the commenters themselves had only read MS' version, so who could blame them for thinking me a bitch?), I felt grateful for a "defender" to clear the air.

I work from home, not in the Post newsroom. I'm not privy to judgment calls made there. Now I know that my editor wrote the preamble and placed Narin's letter where my friend's whimsical transport piece could have been. (He told me later that he didn't run the transport piece at all because it was "too vague". I think it was great.)

Of course during the next week, ugly words (for the most part) subsided, someone kindly posted a link to my original so people could judge for themselves (some still disagreed with my version, but at least they did it after reading both), and MS acknowledged that a particularly distasteful statement ("all habitual sex tourists") hadn't come from my piece.

What started as an unpleasant shocker for me turned into a learning experience. First, Dana's comment about people needing to examine themselves before judging others led me to realize my piece sounded accusatory because I had failed to consider my own part -- ageing, being a stay-at-home mum, feeling surrounded by youthful local beauty, etc. -- and instead focused on the men. Second, certain painful-but-wise comments like those from Viking helped me better understand guys' views and experiences. Third (which I already knew, from visiting before), some truly funny people comment here. I mean, licking my ass with ketchup? I've heard of mustard, but ketchup?! Ha.

So...this past Friday Narin's letter, spanning a whole page, seemed like overkill, and what's more, beating a dead horse. But my editor had made his call, in favour of controversy, eight days before.

I still appreciate Narin's passionately defending me. But now I'm confused: Is she Steve? What motivated her/him to go to the mat with such vehemence? I asked Guru for her email address last week and sent her two messages thanking her for sticking up for a stranger, but Narin/Steve/Zaphod Beeblebrox never replied. Hmm.

Re/ the hate mail issue. Yes, I've received about 20 rageful, irrational messages that I tried to ignore. As my email address appeared with the first Guru piece, and is available on my blog, MS did not prompt those emails; they started before MS posted about it. To MS credit, several posters from here sent thought-provoking emails that led to fruitful dialogue even when we both sort of agreed to disagree.

During the past two weeks my hurt feelings gradually shifted to wanting to shout the next round for MS' David and all the punters who showed humour and/or wisdom in their posts. Realistically (I'm always too tired to go out!) I can include a direct MS reference in a subsequent Guru piece (my elevator music one did, but probably no one read far enough, it was that boring), including the web address. But does anyone really read the dang mag anyway...?

Andy, I've heard the bins behind the "painters' bars" are less grotty. See you in Washington Square...oh wait, I mean Soi 33, if ever I can manage staying awake past 10.

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Hi Lyle

Thanks for stopping by to clarify matters. I'm relieved to hear that you're not pulling Narin's strings.

I'm all for rattling cages but not to the extent that it would spoil anyone's day in the real world.

The battles here are won and lost in the comment threads - which, for the most part, are very fair-minded - and those who come a cropper tend to deserve it (including me, from time to time).

Your standard might still be fluttering in the breeze, Lyle, but I'm sorry to report that poor old Narin has fallen off her charger and is currently wallowing in a muddy puddle.

I look forward to reading your next Guru piece and I'll be very disappointed if you decide to steer away from controversy.

In the meantime, I might have a pop at your Guru colleague, the Lost Boy.

He really does deserve a slap.

Regards
David

PS. I've linked to your blog from my original article so that visitors can read your quotes in context.

Derukugi says:

Hahahaha, this is hilarious.
"There is no fury like a woman scorned...", yep, he had that one right.

Jack Wow says:

Fair play to Lyle - she's handled all this with a lot of humour, honesty and dignity.

Paul Davies says:

Quite surprising this.. Interestingly, I was passed a copy of the Guru by a buddy recently. Reading it for the first time I was surprised the Bangkok Post would have such a supplement. Generally, it seems to be a lifestyle magazine which encourages the thai youth to go out get drunk and behave in dangerous sexual behaviour. One only has to read the articles to understand what I mean. Does it have any editorial control? In my opinion it's not fit to wipe my ass with.

Chuck says:

Ah, there you are Jack. Chuck.

BW says:

What is all comes down to is this: women in the West want to have their cake and eat it too. All fun and no worries.

The pill and abortions: the ticket to as much "free" sex as one can swallow. Divorce court: how to get rid of the man (who is ALWAYS the one at fault) and have the freedom to sleep with whatever walks, but keep his children and have him pay for them. Her good looks: how she plays the tease in this house-of-cards scam of running her mouth and getting whatever she wants for next to nothing.

The problem is when the looks fade and she realizes that without her sex appeal, she has very little to offer to keep the game alive.

The women of true substance and equality, yes they exist, age gracefully as they are secure in being a woman and understand there is no free lunch. By contrast, the ones who display the signs of neuroses, i.e. "I'm just extra-sensitive about my undefined role in a metropolis teeming with the flesh trade" reveal their true nature for all of us. (Notice how she tells us EXACTLY what her problem is: sex appeal no longer works for me.)

It is when the air of reason sends her house of cards tumbling down that reality sets in and the crises begin. And in a last ditch effort to fool herself and stave off the inevitable, ANYONE who is too wise to play her game is the one to blame.

Anonymous says:

Bitch is the proper, not slang, term for female canine. Idiots.

Dana says:

Holy Bitchin' Blogman--This subject has now attained Aids and Condom length status. I vote we pull the plug. You can't make stupid people smart and you can't make mean people nice and you can't make western females . . . ok, I'm done.

Matt Crook says:

So tell me why I deserve a slap...

The Lost Boy

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Hi Matt

Here's a slap-worthy extract from your previous column:

"The Lost Boy travels light everywhere because he never wants people to look at him in the way that he looks at backpackers. There is probably something wrong with the Lost Boy, but this remains to be seen. The Lost Boy - one day there may even be a fan club."

I agree that there's something wrong with the Lost Boy. Repeatedly referring to yourself in the third person (18 times in this particular column) is far from normal and, quite frankly, even your mother would agree that you need a slap.

Matt's Mum: "Here's your tea and biscuits, Matt."

Matt: "The Lost Boy will settle for no less than a tall skinny latte and a lightly toasted muffin, Mater. Your meagre fayre makes the Lost Boy upset."

Matt's Mum: "You pompous little brat..." [Slap!]

Incidentally, will you still be calling yourself "The Lost Boy" when you're fat and fifty?

Regards
David

XuYu says:

Be thankful this isn't China and it's "Internet Hunt for an Immoral Foreigner" -- yet.

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/
story/0,,1860934,00.html

Grunt says:

Well if he rates a slap then so do I.

For comments both posted and unposted.

Dick Renegade says:

Here we go. Let's bring on some more femi-Nazi bulshit.

Lyle Walter, Narin, and the Bangkok Post can lick my ass with Heinz tomato ketchup.

Maximum Thrust says:

I would like to send some hate mail. Do you have a list of addresses for these people?

Stupid Jerk says:

I don't think there is anything wrong with "ganging up on a woman and a mother". That status shouldn't protect Lyle Walter. God forbid we say anything disparaging about "a woman and a mother". There will always be people like Narin that will scream and bitch when when a guy calls a spade a spade.

Here's food for thought: How come a guy would never balk at Narin for attacking "a man and a father" (where appropriate). Hey, what do I know?!? I'm just a stupid jerk.

canipsi says:

if i were a writer for any kind of newspaper, magazine or any publication for that matter i would like to believe that if i felt the need to put together a condemnatory article i would at least have the strength of character to accept that not everyone that reads the article i have written will agree with my point of view. i would also like to believe i would possess the impudence to stand by my claims & opinions & not become embroiled in a purposeless, petty & puerile slanging-match on the internet.
but... maybe thats just me.

tracy emin says:

Lyle seems too thin skinned to be a journo.

Try another profession, dearie.

Combover says:

Lyle - the URL for your blog was appended to my early post in which I said that I had enjoyed your article.

Actually, to his credit I think David himself made the appendment(?!) because I don't remember adding the link.

matt says:

I'm amazed this topic (Lyle) ran to such lengths. I get a lot of hate mail, which I rather enjoy, but this was on another level.

Anyway, I don't think writing in the third person is worthy of a slap, although I will admit it is probably a bit weird.

I have to go to work now. Maybe I'll come back and write something more later.

narin says:

come on boys,

just because i have moved onto other things, doesn't mean i'm defeated...

i've stated my opinions, take it however you like it --- and the rest is just more of personal insults and attempts at one-upping each other --- which is fun, but we're not in high school anymore.

david can post rebuttals and whatever he likes all day, it's his site, it's his job --- but from reading all the comments, I think the issue has become cleared for most people.

and those who won't admit wrong, will never admit wrong anyway.

if you want to celebrate outlasting in an internet flame war over a woman with a full-time job and a child to raise --- if that makes you happy, then all power to you...

Charles Frith says:

Is it me or did The Bangkok Post only put it's journalistic teeth in after a TRT libel bitch-slapping over 'serious cracks in the runway at Suvarnabhumi airport'?

What next, a decent expose of the cracks in the education system? It takes a courageous and less obsequious Thai journalist to constructively criticize their own country.

Andy says:

The day the Bangkok Post sacked Bernard Trink was the day it lost all journalistic integrity for me anyway.

Not that I give a hoot! T.I.T.

Common Sense says:

Narin,
I've resisted posting on any of your arguements for a while now but if your going to keep claiming the high and mighty route on the basis that men are attacking a woman and mother in a freaking blog then you loose all credibility. You keep claiming that you can be a strong independent woman a state your opinion but your opinion keeps revolving around a woman being coddled like a baby who can't take a bit of criticism. Your nothing more than a hypocritical feminist who wants equality but can't take a little ribbing like a man. As far as I'm concerned licking my ass with Heinz tomato ketchup is too good for you. You deserve no less than to have to use some nice and spicy wasabi sauce you tart.

Try taking a lesson from Lyle who has handled herself gracefully throughout this ordeal even using this as a learning experience to improve herself. She will come out of this a better person because she understands that "when life hand you lemons you make lemonade."

Looper says:

CS, advise against spreading wasabi on your ringer. Suggest mixing it with natural yoghurt or dairy cream first. Or else work your way there in stages with sweet chilli followed by tom yum paste or maybe tabasco.

Germaine Greer says:

Narin, for heaven's sake stop using the "woman with a full-time job and a child to raise" sympathy vote.
I didn't burn my bras and grow my armpit hair so twerps like you could use lame excuses whenever somebody disagrees with something we say or do. How can we ever expect equality when wannabe feminists like yourself stoop to that level in the face of defeat?
And Matt, dearie - writing in the third person is more than just weird. It does indeed deserve a slap.

Long live Mangosauce!

Germaine

Smoke and Sausage says:

I dated a girl like Narin once. I ended up throwing her out of my apartment.

The anti-Narin says:

come on ladies,

just because you have moved onto other things, doesn't mean that you are not defeated...

We've stated our opinions, take it however you like it --- and the rest is just more of stubborness and attempts at underming men in general --- which is fun, but we're not in high school anymore.

Narin can post rebuttals and whatever she likes all day, it's his site, it's his job --- but from reading all the comments, I think the issue has become cleared for most people.

and those who won't admit wrong, will never admit wrong anyway.

if you want to start adding more fuel to an internet flame war over a woman [Femi-Nazi] with a full-time job and a child [small devil] to raise --- if that makes you happy, then all power to you...

Dick Renegade says:

(comments to Narin)

It puts the lotion on its skin!
It puts the lotion on its skin!!
It puts the lotion on its skin!!!
It puts the lotion on its skin!!!!

Grunt says:

"if you want to celebrate outlasting in an internet flame war over a woman with a full-time job and a child to raise --- if that makes you happy, then all power to you..." -- brave brave sir narin

I notice narin has the penchant to juxtapose, neh?. I would say Lyle has proven herself to be quite level-headed and about as feminine as any farang can hope to be. Thats to her credit, to be honest.

Now, narin on the other hand. Glomming on to what little dignity Lyle brings to the topic...as narin has none of her own. Its not "we", kiddo. Its garden variety farang female vs narin the severely imbalanced.

We tolerate you for reasons of levity, narin. Not laughing with you, but laughing at you.

I'm with her says:

About the name 'mango sauce'- isn't that what they feed to babies in Thailand? How apt!!

farangbloke says:

i don't read guru , even thought i'm a subscriber to the bangkok post , guru is a pile of crap written by self centered dickweeds .

its all the kind of supposedly "hype" people that i hated in the west writing in this so called "mag"

guru , i use it to wipe my butt when in toilet.

Common Sense says:

Looper,
I would be willing to endure the pain of spreading wasabi on my brown eye to show Narin a good time.

Matt Crook says:

"i don't read guru , even thought i'm a subscriber to the bangkok post , guru is a pile of crap written by self centered dickweeds .

its all the kind of supposedly "hype" people that i hated in the west writing in this so called 'mag'"

Self centred dickweeds? Oh come on, if you're going to attack it at least do it with some credibility. Hype people? What does this mean? Guru gets a lot of stick, but it's just not for everyone.

Sooo tired! says:

Yawn, yawn. Who cares what 'Guru' thinks? They're just a bunch of rich kids who couldn't get a job elsewhere and so were given a magazine to run. Bless! They're Thai but desperately want to be American (like most Thais). Their readers are pretty much the same, like your average Thai, want to be American, think they are American etc etc.
That journo woman isn't so bad, don't give her the satisfaction of a cause to bitch about.
Be happy!

Simmo says:

At last a subject i have mulled over for years. Why is it that the Brit's are getting fatter, the Dutch are getting taller and the Scots still hate the English? All tricky questions. But lets face it the best thing to come out of Wales is the road!

Dick Renegade says:

Narin,

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah.

blah blah blah blah.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah.

blah blah, Dick Renegade

hentaigaijin says:

that narin bird has got an attitude problem. she tries to come across all cosmopolitan but she strikes me as being a low-class pompous yet ill-educated dimwit.

and to think the bkk post published that...

i wouldn't wipe my arse with that rag now.

Matt Crook says:

The Bangkok Post didn't print it, Guru did. More to the point, Guru didn't write it. It's just one of those things. It's certainly got a lot of people talking, that's for sure.

Today's issue isn't so good though, sadly. No real lead story. Such is life.

Bangkok Johny says:

Narin reminds me of my grandmother. She was a special lady.

Jack Wow says:

Matt Crook,

No real lead story? So what do you give us?
A half page ground-breaking insight into the practice of opening doors.
The Lost Boy has really outdone himself this time!

And on the Lost Boy's guide to life, this was priceless:

"If there was ever a man who you thought would have wanted to die at the hands of Mother Nature's wildlife, it would be Steve Irwin."

I quite like elephants, but I don't fancy an ivory tusk to the heart when my number's up.

Not only crap writing, Matt lad, but highly insensitive.

bangkokram says:

Sorry Folks, The GURU is alright by me. This weekend i'm looking after a friends pooch. The copy of the GURU is exactly the same size as the litter tray, bloody perfect!

Matt,

You cant find a good piece for the lead story in Bangkok! I hope you've got an easy going Editor.

Perhaps a mag that caters for a larger slice of the readership of The bangkok Post, than the under 25 age group provides.

Saeb says:

ATTN :
Hugh Jarse:September 11.
Yaa paa yaat is worming tablets.
I assume that they work on German women as they work pretty efficiently on all warm blooded creatures.
Cheers, (may you live without the vorms)
Saeb

hentaigaijin says:

yeah alright soz lads i don't really know what i'm talking about - i just thought i'd chip in with my two pennies worth.

Matt Crook says:

"No real lead story? So what do you give us?
A half page ground-breaking insight into the practice of opening doors.
The Lost Boy has really outdone himself this time!

And on the Lost Boy's guide to life, this was priceless:

"If there was ever a man who you thought would have wanted to die at the hands of Mother Nature's wildlife, it would be Steve Irwin."

Not only crap writing, Matt lad, but highly insensitive."

Oh for goodness sake, listen to you all high and mighty. Highly insensitive? Well you obviously missed the rest of the world's press and the general public saying similar things.

And did you ever stop to think that I am not the editor, and that I only work freelance? It's not my fault if there isn't a lead story. I have a full-time job away from Guru. I don't always write the features 'cos working day and night doesn't always appeal.

Gosh. Hit me where it hurts then guys. You lot make me laugh.

Anonymous says:

"Gosh"
"For goodness sake"

It's OK to use proper swear words here, Matt.

Thaihome says:

Easy dish it out isn't David but you sure are struggling to take a little. As the King of out of context half truths, though admittly humerous at times, you should have realized it would come back at you some day.

"Using wit and humour, they scored plenty of points "

Isn't his exactly what you do? Why are you so upset when someone does it to you?
TH

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Hi TH

What makes you think I'm upset?

Regards
David

Thaihome says:

Well, lets start with"
"The Bangkok Post has falsely accused me of inciting a hate campaign "

"I don't believe this poisonous allegation for one moment "

"For having the temerity to suggest that one of Lyle's articles contained some implied criticism of farang men"

And one of my favorites

"The whole thing is starting to sound like a cynical woman's attempt to swing a sexual misconduct tribunal back in good old Farangland"

Keep it up David, your site is one the most entertaining reads around. The constant attacks on western women are getting a little old though, how about a new target, like the monthly 30 visa exempt runners that think they can break the Thai economy by staying away.
TH

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Hi TH

You'll have to try a bit harder than that if you want to take the shine off my full page spread in the Bangkok Post.

Regards
David

PS. Is there any particular reason for the chip on your shoulder or are you just another bitter farang woman?

Matt Crook says:

The Bangkok Post didn't attack. Guru didn't attack you. A reader of your own site attacked you. And furthermore, it wasn't even in the Post.

You started this.

george says:

yelp yelp yelp

get lost Matt...oh, you actually are. hmmm. F*** off then.

Lyle says:

Hey, I thought I "started this"!

Thanks, David, for a) adding the link to the original Guru piece on your 29 Aug. "Western Women Disappearing in Bangkok" article, and for adding the link to Combover's comment earlier (thanks, Combover, for giving credit where it's due), and b) responding in such a sporting way to my "War and Peace"-length comment to this article last week. Methinks it put many readers to sleep. I promise to submit more pithy comments in future.

Matt Crook says:

How scatching George, and what an insightful comment. I sit here and tremble at the thought of the wrath of "100,000 Farang blokes" being unleashed upon myself.

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Only in your dreams, Matt.

Only in your dreams...

Regards
David

Jack Wow says:

"How scatching George, and what an insightful comment."

Scatching? Is that a word?

Just 3 days to go till the next edition of Guru. Shit, the anticipation's killing me.

zzz

Matt Crook says:

It was a typo, as you already know.

And it's just a bit of fun. I understand why people look down on me, but at the end of the day I'm just doing something I enjoy. I just didn't like the way this became a "BP is attacking MS" angle of the saga. Seemed a little melodramatic to say the least.

Lyle and David both handled themselves well here. It was fun to read. I wouldn't say the same for some of you though.

Anyway, we were down at Cafe De Moc when the tanks started rolling in. Looks like things are about to get interesting.

Thaihome says:

"PS. Is there any particular reason for the chip on your shoulder or are you just another bitter farang woman?"

That is almost too funny. No, unfortunately I am one of those full package MNC expats, actually married to a Thai for some years now.
I just wonder where your chip about farang women came from, hell I was married to 2 of them, lost everything I owned twice, I am not any where near as bitter as you.
TH

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Hi Pot

How saintly of you.

Regards
Kettle

Dick Renegade says:

There are rumors circulating that Lyle is a former associate of Thaksin.

nevermind my name says:

I think there is not a women alive that could change any thought pattern's that exist in mango sauces followers minds.You all say that your life's in Thailand are so full and great with your wonderfull sex life.Then why are you all glued to your computer posting on and on.If your lifes are so great then why are ya all sitting at home?Do any of you guys out there have a real Thai girlfriend? I mean a girlfriend, not a whore.Did you all know that Thai whores are all fucking the Thai men around town too! They just dont tell you guys that.Also Thai women despise Thai whores as well as western women.I am a "farang" and I get lots of attention from westrn and Thai men alike.Not that I need it my wealthy western husband gives me enough of what I need.I have also met alot of western men here that think screwing a Thai girl would be like that of a two by four.Not olny that but most of them need a seriouse visit to the dentist as do the men they screw.Maybe thats why the smell of your shit mouths don't bother them!The fact that most of you western men out there think western women living in Thailand are hard up is a joke.Are any of you living in reality or what.Even the ugly farang girls I know here are chased by western and Thai men alike.The truth is you will all screw anything that moves,but none of you unless your really lucky will ever get your hands on my tits and ass.Something I'm sure you all miss dearly Tits and Ass.

philH says:

None of us unless we are really lucky will ever get our hands on your tits and ass?

OK, we've established what you are, now it's just down to agreeing the terms and conditions.

Jack Wow says:

Tits and Ass... Cellulite thighs... Spare tyres... Varicose veins... Chopped liver.

Shall I go on?

I think I'll stick with my two by four, thanks.

The Priest says:

Who said Trink was sacked? I guess you don't read the book reviews.
Fantastic how you all have such passionate ideas about what a publication should be and what journalistic values should be. If you're so indignant, why don't you get off your arses and try and get something published yourselves. Maybe you could then show off your skills to your disease ridden hoe-friends and fat, sweaty, loser barmates. Otherwise, you'll have to keep saying "Did you see what I wrote on that website messageboard?"
Think you can do better than Guru? Then do it.

Grunt says:

An evaluation of a fool...

"I think there is not a women alive that could change any thought pattern's that exist in mango sauces followers minds." - nevermind my IQ

I pity you should you think our goal is to educate western females as to the error of their ways. You and your ilk are a socio-political Titanic. We here have quietly lowered the lifeboats with our non-western ladies and are gleefully toasting to your utterly inevitable demise.

"You all say that your life's in Thailand are so full and great with your wonderfull sex life.Then why are you all glued to your computer posting on and on." - nevermind my IQ

Pointing out the flaws of internet posting by...posting on the internet? Ignorance AND hypocricy all wrapped into one package. Are you related to dicer in any way?

"If your lifes are so great then why are ya all sitting at home?" - nevermind my IQ

Id like to know how long it took you to find this webpage. And more importantly, why you began looking for it. Burning, seething jealousy perhaps?

"Do any of you guys out there have a real Thai girlfriend? I mean a girlfriend, not a whore.Did you all know that Thai whores are all fucking the Thai men around town too! They just dont tell you guys that." - nevermind my IQ

And of course we ALL know that western females are the very image of purity and fidelity?

"Also Thai women despise Thai whores as well as western women." - nevermind my IQ

Really? This is proven by the legion of LOS ladies here trashing western skanks? I imagine the more common response from a Thai girl regarding western females would be either "Ew!" or "Why is she so fat ugly and rude?"

"I am a "farang" and I get lots of attention from westrn and Thai men alike." - nevermind my IQ

The capacity of the western female for self delusion is as unlimited as its capacity for stupidity. Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool then open ones mouth and remove all doubt, eh farang female? You lose on both accounts.

Sunglasses Ron says:

"I get lots of attention from westrn and Thai men alike.Not that I need it my wealthy western husband gives me enough of what I need."

A vitual coconut will be awarded to whoever can tell me the difference between nevermind my name and a Thai whore?

night ranger says:

Sniffer, yes! Early 20's lad culture, indeed. American women are even worse- every last one an absolute moralist.

night ranger says:

And by the way we need you Trink.

But, I could not give a hoot, either.

the night ranger says:

Catch a wave
Catch a rave
Western Women - Early Grave
Burma Shave

ozricdan says:

hehe. so thats who somchai is ?

what fun, all of the blog personalities arguing with each other and even with themselves.

some of you peeps in this thread should find out the defination of CONDRADTICTORY.

no doubt if the spelling is wrong one of the bloggers here shall pull me up over it.

ps, is sunglasses ron a character from a british sit-com called only fools and horses.

in anwser to the question in other words who cares if farangs fuck bar girls.

ps. sunglasses ron how can you be a women when in earlier posts you sound very much like manual-worker ie. bit of a lad/geezer who goes to football matches every satuday ie yob/hooligan.

my last sentance only reflects why
its such a shame the minority let down the majority.